Tiger Tournament

[dillywho]

I will probably catch all kinds of flak for this, but why is the PGA tournament coverage all about Tiger? As of this morning, when we turned it on, he was in 17th place and they were talking non-stop about him and showing all the shots he has made throughout the tournament and then some. He is not the only player playing. That is why he is in 17th place, not first. Yes, he was/is a great player; so are many of the others. Sorry, but having to watch only Tiger and/or highlights of Tiger simply results in turning the channel and watching something else.:swear:

[bagboy]

Noone wants to tune in and watch Talor Gooch or Curtis Luck. Tiger moves the needle and drives ratings.

[Polar Bear]

I understand why, but it bores me too. I’d rather watch Talor and Curtis.

[graciegirl]

I agree Dilly. Although it does appear that lately he SEEMS more mature and takes the ups and downs of the game more easily. If there was a good example of one who shot himself in the foot it is him.

I hope he is now mature enough not to make any MORE serious life mistakes. I think he has used up enough for several people.

INCOMING.

[billethkid]

He gets way more coverage than his CURRENT (past 5 years) performance dictates/deserves.

Too many spend too much time talking about the 17th place once upon a time great player and do an injustice to the young leaders of the current games.

The media distorts the reality of who Woods was VS who he is realistically today.
They all want to be sure they are there in the unlikely event Woods miraculously reverts back to the player he was of the past.

Unfair to the real champions of TODAY!!!

[dillywho]

He gets way more coverage than his CURRENT (past 5 years) performance dictates/deserves.

Too many spend too much time talking about the 17th place once upon a time great player and do an injustice to the young leaders of the current games.

The media distorts the reality of who Woods was VS who he is realistically today.
They all want to be sure they are there in the unlikely event Woods miraculously reverts back to the player he was of the past.

Unfair to the real champions of TODAY!!!

Thank you! That is my point, exactly. Why do we need to see what shots he was making in 2009 with so much new talent out there?

[dillywho]

Noone wants to tune in and watch Talor Gooch or Curtis Luck. Tiger moves the needle and drives ratings.

And you know this, how? If everyone gets as tired of seeing every shot Tiger makes or has made over the last decade or so, where are those ratings going to be then? I'm sure we are not the only ones changing the channel.

[birdawg]

It's like television commercials.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

You won't have to contend with this if he keeps swinging as hard as he has been. Knee or back, one will go before the season is over if he doesn't throttle back.

[rustyp]

Last week - announcer #1 "was supposed to rain today but we escaped it". Announcer #2 "anything is possible when Tiger is in contention". Tiger in second last group, TV coverage watch Tiger then go to a flashback of his career. Total disrespect to the leaders.

[Fredman]

I too am sick of seeing and hearing about tiger. They talk about his large gallery but he will never have a gallery as big as Arnie’s was. Never heard Arnie use the f bomb on the course. There are too many good players out there that are better than tiger and deserve their share of coverage.

[Biker Dog]

It's about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[ColdNoMore]

It's about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yep.

Whether the people who want to see less of Tiger like it or not, the networks see a big spike in viewership...when he is in the tournament.

Especially, if he's hanging around on the first page of the leaderboard.

Valspar on NBC is Highest-Rated Non-Major in 5 Years | Golf Channel (http://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/valspar-nbc-highest-rated-non-major-5-years/)

Sunday's final-round coverage on NBC of the Valspar Championship, featuring Tiger Woods' bid for his first win in almost five years, was the highest-rated non-major golf broadcast since the 2013 Players Championship.

[Two Bills]

British TV is same. Last week when Paul Casey won the Tournament, the whole report was about Tiger coming second, and right at the end a short mention that Paul Casey had won.
It's not like our golfers are winning in US every week, more like one a decade these days!
Tiger was the greatest player in his day, and elevated Pro Golf to a new level, but I fear that day has gone, and the young guns rule now.
The Bear is still the greatest!!

[rjn5656]

I enjoy watching him past and present. He puts some exceitement back in golf. When he wasn't playing, I found alternatives to watch. My perspective, but I appreciate those who don't agree.

[l2ridehd]

I quit watching yesterday as well. They covered the leader then Tiger. Leader, Tiger, leader, Tiger, back and forth. They ignored the 10 players in between. Had to see a rerun of Fowler's bogie. He may of spiked the ratings, but he will also tank them if they don't provide more balanced coverage. He is news and deserves a bit more coverage then normal, but they have gone way over the top. I will watch something else.

[stan the man]

According to the announcers every shot that tiger makes was such a hard shot it was either a terrible lie or an impossible up and down it only tiger could have made.

[bagboy]

And you know this, how? If everyone gets as tired of seeing every shot Tiger makes or has made over the last decade or so, where are those ratings going to be then? I'm sure we are not the only ones changing the channel.

Maybe if you would take the time to look at the television ratings recently when Tiger is in contention, you too would know. This is neither a slam or an endorsement of Tiger, it's simply a fact.

[billethkid]

Maybe if you would take the time to look at the television ratings recently when Tiger is in contention, you too would know. This is neither a slam or an endorsement of Tiger, it's simply a fact.

I do not endorse that because of broadcast ratings that should affect the FACT that he gets undeserved coverage.

What most of us are fed up with is the constant barrage of Tiger-isms from the announcers and the video clips.....the straw that broke a lot of backs yesterday was when the Arnold Palmer open logos were shown there was an overwhelming circled picture of Woods in the center.....totally and completely out of order....ratings or what ever be the excuse.

Unfair and uncalled for coverage of a second page standing golfer....like it or not.

[Chi-Town]

Stenson, McIlroy, Rose, Hoffman, Fowler, Reed, Woods. Now, there's a leaderboard. An exciting time so close to home.

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[ohiosbestus]

Tiger is making a comeback, he is not there yet! But alas, Tiger has brought so much interest to the game, for both our youth and beyond, that the current players are benefitting from higher purses, to higher attendance at tournaments. He also has brought more money into your communities from the revenue the cities and businesses are receiving from people just coming to watch him play golf. Actually I would put Phil Mickelson in that group also. Give them guys there due.....Remember they are good for the game....Lets look back at Nickalus, Palmer, and Player back in their prime, they were just as popular with the media.....I repeat they are good for the game. These guys have brought many people into the game as amateurs, who play the game today generating massive amounts of revenue to our cities and states. I am sure there would not be 40 plus golf courses here in the villages today if it weren't for these guys influence, maybe nearly not as many homes and places of entertainment that make the villages a great place to visit and live. I just wanted to say that is how I started , as a child I grew up about 3 miles from where Jack Nickalus grew up and became such a dominant figure in the golf world, and we know today how much children's charities have benefitted from that foundation..... Enough said on my part.

[Polar Bear]

...if you would take the time to look at the television ratings recently when Tiger in contention...
For lots of viewers, character still matters. Those fans watch in spite of the bloated Tiger coverage, not because of it.

[ColdNoMore]

For lots of viewers, character still matters. Those fans watch in spite of the bloated Tiger coverage, not because of it.

"Character still matters?"


:1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Taylor Gooch being in contention or even winning his first PGA tour event is just another week on the tour. Henrik Stenson leading an event or even winning is not a story.

Tiger Woods, arguably the greatest golfer who ever lived, making a comeback from personal problems and four back surgeries after not playing for 18 months and being in contention is the biggest sports story in the world this week.

If you go to the tournament, take a look at where the crowds are. I went on Thursday and if you wanted to get a look at Tiger, you needed to get three holes ahead and wait. Close to half the gallery was following him in the morning. In the afternoon, the same amount of people were following the group with McIlroy and Fowler. The only people following Taylor Gooch and Alex Noren were their friends and family.

The television networks put the players on that people want to watch. The viewership goes way up when Tiger plays. He is THE STORY.

[golf2140]

I turned it off

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I turned it off

That's certainly your perogative, but more people are going to watch because Tiger has a chance to win than people who are going to turn it off because they show him too much.

By the way, he just birdied the 13th hole to get to one behind. Stenson looks like he's struggling. History could be made.

If Tiger wins this tournament it's possibly the greatest comeback in the history of sports.

But if you don't want to watch it doesn't bother me.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

That's certainly your perogative, but more people are going to watch because Tiger has a chance to win than people who are going to turn it off because they show him too much.

By the way, he just birdied the 13th hole to get to one behind. Stenson looks like he's struggling. History could be made.

If Tiger wins this tournament it's possibly the greatest comeback in the history of sports.

But if you don't want to watch it doesn't bother me.

Not going to happen. Tiger just channeled Phil with a "hold my beer and watch this" OB tee shot. As for greatest comebacks, I'll attribute that to Ben Hogan.

[600th Photo Sq]

I understand why, but it bores me too. I’d rather watch Talor and Curtis.

I'd rather watch paint dry

[Fredman]

That's certainly your perogative, but more people are going to watch because Tiger has a chance to win than people who are going to turn it off because they show him too much.

By the way, he just birdied the 13th hole to get to one behind. Stenson looks like he's struggling. History could be made.

If Tiger wins this tournament it's possibly the greatest comeback in the history of sports.

But if you don't want to watch it doesn't bother me.

You have drunk too much Tiger cool aide. I prefer an Arnie Palmer.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

What a great torunament. Rory McIlroy wins by shooting 64 and making birdies on five of the last six holes.

Bryson DeChambeau was in it until the last hole. Stenson struggled, Justin Rose came close, but the cream rose to the top. This is what makes for a great PGA Tour event. Several of the best players in the world battling it out to the finish.

Tiger shot himself in the foot with a ball OB on 16 but still gave us a lot of thrills. The way that Rory finished it wouldn't have mattered. Tiger will win again eventually. He's still the biggest draw in professional golf. Like all of the greatest, he'll have his haters. Nothing anyone can do about that.

As for me, I enjoy seeing history being made. Tiger has made plenty and it's likely that he'll make more.

[graciegirl]

What a great torunament. Rory McIlroy wins by shooting 64 and making birdies on five of the last six holes.

Bryson DeChambeau was in it until the last hole. Stenson struggled, Justin Rose came close, but the cream rose to the top. This is what makes for a great PGA Tour event. Several of the best players in the world battling it out to the finish.

Tiger shot himself in the foot with a ball OB on 16 but still gave us a lot of thrills. The way that Rory finished it wouldn't have mattered. Tiger will win again eventually. He's still the biggest draw in professional golf. Like all of the greatest, he'll have his haters. Nothing anyone can do about that.

As for me, I enjoy seeing history being made. Tiger has made plenty and it's likely that he'll make more.

People who are not his fans like they used to be have good reason. He made choice after choice that did not put him in a class of character with people like Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. Skill is only one part of being a champion. One thing that soured many on him was his inability to keep his wheels on when he made a mistake. I see that changing. Most people are willing to leave the past in the past, but people don't dislike someone like him for NO reason. He gave us plenty of reasons to be disenchanted.

[Fredman]

I am willing to bet that if woods had won the tournament we would have seen the trophy presentation because they are so in love with that low life

[JoMar]

What I find interesting it the Tiger haters are on the opposite side of the competitors, the players that understand how much he brought to the game, how he introduced youth to the game, how charities have benefited from him being in the game, how he raised the purses of the tournaments, how the legends, Nicklaus and Palmer and Player have continued to praise what he has brought to the game. I wonder how many of the haters have a favorite football team, or basketball team that continually overlook the women beaters, the disrespect to our veterans the drunk driving stops (never a real conviction). Do they turn off their favorite team. If character matters then no professional sport should be watched, no governing body should be respected but........the haters will find both justification and rationalization why it's ok to watch their favorite sport but continue to hate Tiger. Based on the turnout and ratings, the haters are in the minority....and that's the way it should be.

[Fredman]

I love watching golf what I don’t like is all the pandering the net works do when it comes to Woods. Strange howi golf survived when Tiger was sidelined. There is more to greatness than just playing the game. Look at what Arnie did for children and mothers. What has woods done? Arnie is a legend. Today’s Woods is just another golfer. His crowds will diminish once they accept the fact that he is not what he used to be

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

People who are not his fans like they used to be have good reason. He made choice after choice that did not put him in a class of character with people like Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. Skill is only one part of being a champion. One thing that soured many on him was his inability to keep his wheels on when he made a mistake. I see that changing. Most people are willing to leave the past in the past, but people don't dislike someone like him for NO reason. He gave us plenty of reasons to be disenchanted.

"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."

“Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”

"The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him"

"Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone."

"For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."

The guy has made some mistakes, no doubt, but he has also done a lot of good for the world and the game of golf. He has brought thousands to the game including young people and minorities. He has established several charities that help many people.

"Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness."

[justjim]

You won't have to contend with this if he keeps swinging as hard as he has been. Knee or back, one will go before the season is over if he doesn't throttle back.

:22yikes: strange but exactly my thinking too. He is going to self-destruct attempting to swing as hard and fast as he did 10 years ago. With his short game there is no need but his ego won’t let him dial back.

[billethkid]

I am willing to bet that if woods had won the tournament we would have seen the trophy presentation because they are so in love with that low life

he networks low spot skipping the presentation.

And yes you are right. If Woods had won it would have been covered.

What I don't understand, accept or buy into....all the hype...he is the greatest....wow after every shot....and even when he is not on page one of the leaderboard they still dwell on him....and not those who are leading the pack.

Short changing the current leading of talent to cover a so called popular one from the past? Is not right. And we all know right or wrong is a moving target of convenience these days.

To each his own.

[JoMar]

I love watching golf what I don’t like is all the pandering the net works do when it comes to Woods. Strange howi golf survived when Tiger was sidelined. There is more to greatness than just playing the game. Look at what Arnie did for children and mothers. What has woods done? Arnie is a legend. Today’s Woods is just another golfer. His crowds will diminish once they accept the fact that he is not what he used to be

You might want to do some research before making an assumption that Woods hasn't done anything to benefit kids and other charities through his foundation. As I said before, fortunately haters are in the minority, supporters like most golfers and Arnie, Jack and Phil know what he did for the game and the charitable work. He may never be what he once was but still does things the other golfers can't do. He brings money into the game, increases the gate which increases the donations to the sponsored charities, raises viewership. Hate if you wish, but you are in the minority.

[Polar Bear]

You might want to do some research before making an assumption that Woods hasn't done anything to benefit kids and other charities through his foundation. As I said before, fortunately haters are in the minority, supporters like most golfers and Arnie, Jack and Phil know what he did for the game and the charitable work. He may never be what he once was but still does things the other golfers can't do. He brings money into the game, increases the gate which increases the donations to the sponsored charities, raises viewership. Hate if you wish, but you are in the minority.
Hate is your word. Haters are likely in the minority.

But if you equate throwing a bit of his megafortune at his foundation with the personal involvement, fan-friendliness, and simple character that Arnie, Phil, Jack and many other golf greats have displayed, don't be so sure you are in the majority.

[dillywho]

I know I started this thread and I see that what I was trying to convey did not quite get there. My problem is not with Tiger, but the media. Tournament coverage in 2018 should not be devoted solely to one player and every shot, good bad or indifferent, that he makes or has ever made. Why show his shots from 2009 instead of the top competitors in the current tournament? I don't care which player gets undue coverage. I was watching golf when the other greats were playing and every shot they made was not fawned over like they do Tiger when he is in ANY tournament, and sometimes when he isn't even play or fails to make the cut. To me, it is a disservice to all, including Tiger.

[graciegirl]

I know I started this thread and I see that what I was trying to convey did not quite get there. My problem is not with Tiger, but the media. Tournament coverage in 2018 should not be devoted solely to one player and every shot, good bad or indifferent, that he makes or has ever made. Why show his shots from 2009 instead of the top competitors in the current tournament? I don't care which player gets undue coverage. I was watching golf when the other greats were playing and every shot they made was not fawned over like they do Tiger when he is in ANY tournament, and sometimes when he isn't even play or fails to make the cut. To me, it is a disservice to all, including Tiger.

I understand what you are saying and I agree. I also think that how people FEEL about Tiger Woods may have a lot to do with gender. My husband is more willing to give him another chance. I just have never liked his "ups and downs" and angry faces and bad language. That isn't the golf I know or like from amateurs OR professionals. Golfers have always been to me, a cut above other athletes in their behavior. Golfers to me are supposed to act like ladies and gentlemen.

I know this; What the camera focuses on has a lot to do with the producers of the piece and WHAT THEY THINK INTERESTS PEOPLE. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't.

[Bay Kid]

As long as he doesn't drop his club after a hit or use bad language, nice to see him back.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I understand what you are saying and I agree. I also think that how people FEEL about Tiger Woods may have a lot to do with gender. My husband is more willing to give him another chance. I just have never liked his "ups and downs" and angry faces and bad language. That isn't the golf I know or like from amateurs OR professionals. Golfers have always been to me, a cut above other athletes in their behavior. Golfers to me are supposed to act like ladies and gentlemen.

I know this; What the camera focuses on has a lot to do with the producers of the piece and WHAT THEY THINK INTERESTS PEOPLE. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't.

You're absolutely correct in that the media is only showing what people want to see. Tiger generates more interest in a golf tournament than all of the other players combined. He generates more interest than any player since Arnold Palmer.

You'll see angry faces from all of the players and bad language from many of them. They are usually fined for using bad language. The reason that it seems that Tiger uses bad language more than other players is that he is on your television screen a lot more than other players. As the OP points out, it could be as much as one half of the coverage is dedicated to Tiger. I guarantee that if most of the other players were on the screen as much as Tiger, you'd see and hear the same things.

Then again, as I tried to convey earlier, we should balance the negatives with the positives. Tiger has done more for golf than any other golfer except for possibly Arnold Palmer. He has generated interest in golf from minorities and young people. This is good for both of those groups.

He also does a huge amount of charity work and has established charities that that help hundreds of thousands of needy people. This to me, outweighs his occasional swear word.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I love watching golf what I don’t like is all the pandering the net works do when it comes to Woods. Strange howi golf survived when Tiger was sidelined. There is more to greatness than just playing the game. Look at what Arnie did for children and mothers. What has woods done? Arnie is a legend. Today’s Woods is just another golfer. His crowds will diminish once they accept the fact that he is not what he used to be

Not only has he increased interest in golf exponentially, but he also uses his fame to help others.

PGA TOUR Charities: Tiger Woods (http://together.pgatour.com/players/08793.html?templateName=template-138299442)

More young people and minorities have gotten into golf directly because of Tiger. He is not, and never will be, just another golfer. That's like saying that Arnold Palmer or Jack Nicklaus was just another golfer once their skills diminished.

And he'snot to that point yet. He is in the midst of a comeback and has come very close to winning the last two events that he's entered. I believe that he'll win again and if I'm not mistaken he is one of the favorites in the upcoming Masters.

[graciegirl]

Not only has he increased interest in golf exponentially, but he also uses his fame to help others.

PGA TOUR Charities: Tiger Woods (http://together.pgatour.com/players/08793.html?templateName=template-138299442)

More young people and minorities have gotten into golf directly because of Tiger. He is not, and never will be, just another golfer. That's like saying that Arnold Palmer or Jack Nicklaus was just another golfer once their skills diminished.

And he'snot to that point yet. He is in the midst of a comeback and has come very close to winning the last two events that he's entered. I believe that he'll win again and if I'm not mistaken he is one of the favorites in the upcoming Masters.

We can tell you really like Tiger Woods, Jim. He wouldn't be my pick for a dinner guest. (He probably already knows I put Velveeta in my cheese sauce and would turn me down, anyway.) sigh.

[JoMar]

Not sure about the gender thing, we play with a number of couples and the women are as excited as their husbands to see him back. They watch for the strategies, the creative shots he can make and the excitement he brings to the game. Sometimes it's about the golf and not the person. As long as the majority want to watch him the networks will show him and the gate revenue will rise where ever he plays. When he stops becoming a draw, coverage will change and gate revenue will drop, exactly what happened the last time he left the game to get healthy. Right now he is good for the game and for those that really study golf, and appreciate skills, they will continue to follow.

[billethkid]

Not sure about the gender thing, we play with a number of couples and the women are as excited as their husbands to see him back. They watch for the strategies, the creative shots he can make and the excitement he brings to the game. Sometimes it's about the golf and not the person. As long as the majority want to watch him the networks will show him and the gate revenue will rise where ever he plays. When he stops becoming a draw, coverage will change and gate revenue will drop, exactly what happened the last time he left the game to get healthy. Right now he is good for the game and for those that really study golf, and appreciate skills, they will continue to follow.

All of which can be said by watching the new crop of young champions that perform week after week....

Me I prefer to watch the Fowler, Speith, McCrory, Day, Mickelson to name a few that need no justification other than how they play golf.....as proven by how they play golf. They all in one way or another present the persona of the Palmer/Nicholas generation of champions.

Woods, in my opinion, does not have that persona.

To each his own in each minds eye!!!

[Polar Bear]

All of which can be said by watching the new crop of young champions that perform week after week....

Me I prefer to watch the Fowler, Speith, McCrory, Day, Mickelson to name a few that need no justification other than how they play golf.....as proven by how they play golf. They all in one way or another present the persona of the Palmer/Nicholas generation of champions.

Woods, in my opinion, does not have that persona.

To each his own in each minds eye!!!
Well put.

[stan the man]

I am so tired of listening to the bias comments by the announcers. " oh my God what a wonderful shot, only tiger could have made that shot".etc. etc. A few years ago while watching one of the tournaments on television I listen to the announcer berate one of the players for slamming his Club on the ground after a bad shot and say how immature can one be. Well a little while later the tiger had a lousy shot, and slams his Club into the ground, the announcer proceeded to say, " wow look how intense tiger is when he us playing."

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

We can tell you really like Tiger Woods, Jim. He wouldn't be my pick for a dinner guest. (He probably already knows I put Velveeta in my cheese sauce and would turn me down, anyway.) sigh.

It's not a question of liking him Gracie. It's that I appreciate what he has done for golf and what he has done with his various charities. It's about accepting him as a flawed human being.

I feel that he's done more good than bad in the world. He made a big mistake, yes, but he has paid the price. Does that outweigh all fo the good he has done? He's has brought more people as players and fans to the game. When he plays, interest in the tournament increases tremendously. My former mother-in-law who knew nothing about golf and never had any interest in golf would tune in every Sunday to watch what she called "The Tiger Show". Thousands of young kids and minorities began playing golf because of Tiger. Golf instilled in them values that they might not have had otherwise. Some have been saved from a life of crime because of golf. Before Tiger, it was not cool for kids and especially minority kids to play golf. Tiger made golf cool.

He has lived the past 25 years in a goldfish bowl. We don't know half about other players as we know about Tiger. Every move he makes is examined and criticized. We don't know what most of the other players are doing 24/7.

I've never met him, but I know people that know him and they all seem to like him. Players that I've spoken with say that he is very polite and goes out of his way to make them comfortable when they are paired with him. Players that have been on teams with him have nothing but good things to say about him. I've never heard anyone that knows him say anything negative about him.

I also know that he has an incredible work ethic and desire to be the best that ever played the game. It would be easy for someone who has had the kind of success that he's had to sit back and relax and rake in the bucks by speaking and doing clinics. Instead, he is at the gym at 5:00 every morning and working his tail off at the practice range every day.

I've met a lot of professional athletes and especially a lot of PGA Tour players in my life. And I can say that the perception that most people get by seeing them briefly on television is usually very different than the reality. Some that come across as great people are not and some that seem to be arrogant and unlikable are just the opposite.

People hate Tiger for many reasons. I try not to like or dislike any athlete until I get to know them. People hate that the media is all gaga over Tiger. The media is just giving us what we want. There are a lot more people that are interested in Tiger's golf than people who turn off the television because they are talking about him too much. TV ratings go up when Tiger is playing in a tournament. They go through the roof when he is in contention. How else should the media act? They simply put on what most people want to see.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't judge Tiger by one or two acts or how by the media treats him.

And as far a diiner guest and turning up his nose at Velveeta? He served hamburgers and fries at the champions dinner after his first Masters win. That ruffled the feathers of some of the older champions. From what I understand, Tiger is really a pretty down to earth guy.

[JoMar]

Last night the ratings for Bay Hill were announced. They increased over 100% from last year (final round 136% and the gate increased by over 5,000 folks. Spieth, Phil, Day, Fowler, Bubba weren't in the mix. Like it or not, Tiger draws and the young pro's of today are happy he does. The media covers him because most of those tuning in want to watch him. If he fades, then you will get the coverage you want, but until he does we will get the coverage we want.

[billethkid]

He actually has faded but the media keeps playing his return as a resurrection and that is what the crowd is buying into.

In my humble attempt at being humorous!

[Fredman]

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Thousands of young kids and minorities began playing golf because of Tiger. Golf instilled in them values that they might not have had otherwise. Some have been saved from a life of crime because of golf. Before Tiger, it was not cool for kids and especially minority kids to play golf. Tiger made golf cool

Some that come across as great people are not and some that seem to be arrogant and unlikable are just the opposite

Sure like to know where you get all this information or is this just opinion

[Chi-Town]

12th at the Honda Classic, 2nd at the Valspar Championship, 5th at the Arnold Palmer Invitational in his last three comeback tournaments. Hardly a fading star.

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[Polar Bear]

12th at the Honda Classic, 2nd at the Valspar Championship, 5th at the Arnold Palmer Invitational in his last three comeback tournaments. Hardly a fading star...
The issues most people have with Tiger have little to do with his past or present golf skills.

[GoodLife]

The issues most people have with Tiger have little to do with his past or present golf skills.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Seems that some people here are critical of Tiger cuz he cheated on his wife, swears, throws clubs etc.

I am sure they have led perfect lives.

PS Jack and Arnie were not perfect either, their fame was in a much different era of less media scrutiny.

[Polar Bear]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Seems that some people here are critical of Tiger cuz he cheated on his wife, swears, throws clubs etc.

I am sure they have led perfect lives.

PS Jack and Arnie were not perfect either, their fame was in a much different era of less media scrutiny.
Heh heh. Knew that was coming.

You're absolutely right. Nobody is perfect. But some are considerably less perfect than others.

Besides, some people here are simply saying they don't particularly like Tiger. Big whoop. They don't have to be perfect to say that. Do you like every person on the planet? I seriously doubt it. And yet I will venture a guess that you aren't perfect either. How do you reconcile those two facts?

[Chi-Town]

The issues most people have with Tiger have little to do with his past or present golf skills.Interesting. First of all "most people" is highly subjective as are the issues. Some projection there.



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[Polar Bear]

Interesting. First of all "most people" is highly subjective as are the issues. Some projection there...
My post is clearly referring to most of that group of people who do have issues with Tiger. Some inference there...

[justjim]

Across the country private clubs are closing for lack of membership and public golf courses are struggling with fewer golfers and rounds of golf played. The USGA is very concerned about the state of amateur golf in the United States. Fewer youngsters are learning how to play and young business men and women have found golf to be too time consuming and in many cases too expensive. On the other hand, the PGA tour, with stars such as Tiger Woods, is doing quite well as noted by large crowds, tv ratings and corporate sponsors. Life is good.

[ColdNoMore]

ToMy post is clearly referring to most of that group of people who do have issues with Tiger. Some inference there...

Yep.....people like Fuzzy.

[8notes]

What a great torunament. Rory McIlroy wins by shooting 64 and making birdies on five of the last six holes.

Bryson DeChambeau was in it until the last hole. Stenson struggled, Justin Rose came close, but the cream rose to the top. This is what makes for a great PGA Tour event. Several of the best players in the world battling it out to the finish.

Tiger shot himself in the foot with a ball OB on 16 but still gave us a lot of thrills. The way that Rory finished it wouldn't have mattered. Tiger will win again eventually. He's still the biggest draw in professional golf. Like all of the greatest, he'll have his haters. Nothing anyone can do about that.

As for me, I enjoy seeing history being made. Tiger has made plenty and it's likely that he'll make more.

I agree. He is an amazing talent. To have taken off so much time from professional golf due to injuries, and actually be back in the hunt after just a few tournaments is nothing short of miraculous. I see people boycotting him because of his personal life, yet I'd be willing to bet they give another person, who shall not be named, a break when it comes to carousing with women, and generally being a poor role model . I don't watch Tiger because I think he's a choir boy. I watch him because he is such a tremendous athlete. Although, for the record, he supports numerous charity causes such as the Tiger Woods Foundation, Tiger Woods Learning Center, Shriners, Caddy for a Cure, etc. If I recall he was number one in the world for over 500 weeks. You won't see that happening again for awhile.

[Topspinmo]

I agree. He is an amazing talent. To have taken off so much time from professional golf due to injuries, and actually be back in the hunt after just a few tournaments is nothing short of miraculous. I see people boycotting him because of his personal life, yet I'd be willing to bet they give another person, who shall not be named, a break when it comes to carousing with women, and generally being a poor role model . I don't watch Tiger because I think he's a choir boy. I watch him because he is such a tremendous athlete. Although, for the record, he supports numerous charity causes such as the Tiger Woods Foundation, Tiger Woods Learning Center, Shriners, Caddy for a Cure, etc. If I recall he was number one in the world for over 500 weeks. You won't see that happening again for awhile.

I watch him because he is such a tremendous athlete

NOT. Soccer players are tremendous athlete's, MMA fighters are Tremendous athlete's. Golf is the only outdoor pro sport I know that Fat Slobs can compete. O I forgot about Pro Corn hole and Pro billiards.

Tiger had it all, He blew it. he hurt his back chopping hey it the weeds when his drive let the property. Instead of playing smart and just knocking ball in fairway he thought he was Tremendous Athlete. I watched tiger and he will hurt his back again swinging too hard. What waste of talent. His dad would probably be disappointed.

[GoodLife]

I watch him because he is such a tremendous athlete

NOT. Soccer players are tremendous athlete's, MMA fighters are Tremendous athlete's. Golf is the only outdoor pro sport I know that Fat Slobs can compete. O I forgot about Pro Corn hole and Pro billiards.

Tiger had it all, He blew it. he hurt his back chopping hey it the weeds when his drive let the property. Instead of playing smart and just knocking ball in fairway he thought he was Tremendous Athlete. I watched tiger and he will hurt his back again swinging too hard. What waste of talent. His dad would probably be disappointed.

Clueless comment, todays pro golfers are truly tremendous athletes and practice fitness routines similar to other world class athletes.

Not many fat slobs on tour these days, John Daly on senior tour and "Beef" on regular tour. Guess what? They make more in a weekend than you did in the best year of your life.

Daly shot a 3-under 69 to finish at 14-under 202 and earned $322,500.

Beef won Spanish open 2016 earned $450,000

And about your comment "What a waste of talent"

Woods has won 79 official PGA Tour events, second only to Sam Snead, and six ahead of Jack Nicklaus with 73 wins. (See List of golfers with most PGA Tour wins.)
Woods has won 14 majors, second all time, behind Jack Nicklaus.
Woods is 14–1 when going into the final round of a major with at least a share of the lead.
Woods scoring average in 2000 is the lowest in PGA Tour history, both adjusted, 67.79, and unadjusted, 68.17.[1]
Woods has the lowest career scoring average in PGA Tour history.
Woods has amassed the most career earnings of any player in PGA Tour history (even after inflation is considered).
Woods is one of five players (along with Gene Sarazen, Ben Hogan, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus) to have won all four professional major championships in his career, known as the Career Grand Slam, and was the youngest to do so.[2]
Woods is the only player to have won all four professional major championships in a row, accomplishing the feat in the 2000–2001 seasons. This feat became known as the "Tiger Slam".
Woods set the all-time PGA Tour record for most consecutive cuts made, with 142. The streak started in 1998, he set the record at the 2003 Tour Championship with 114 (passing Byron Nelson's previous record of 113 and Jack Nicklaus at 105) and extended this mark to 142 before it ended on May 13, 2005 at the EDS Byron Nelson Championship. Many consider this to be one of the most remarkable golf accomplishments of all time, given the margin by which he broke the old record and given that during the streak, the next longest streak by any other player was usually only in the 10s or 20s.[3][4][5][6] It should be noted that when Byron Nelson played far fewer players made the cut in a given event.[citation needed]
Woods has won a record 25.2% (79 out of 313) of his professional starts on the PGA Tour. Think about that!
Woods is the only golfer to have won the U.S. Amateur three consecutive times (1994–96).

Yeah, what a waste....:popcorn:

Here's Tiger's home, what's yours look like?

74543

[billethkid]

I don't think anybody is denying the man's past achievements.

The issue is the inordinate coverage he gets based on his past and an ever hopeful current "resurrection" at the expense of covering those that are in fact CURRENTLY playing better than he is.

Simple as that!!

[Polar Bear]

...Yeah, what a waste....:popcorn:...
Yep. Think what all those numbers you quoted COULD have been.
I don't think anybody is denying the man's past achievements.

The issue is the inordinate coverage he gets based on his past and an ever hopeful current "resurrection" at the expense of covering those that are in fact CURRENTLY playing better than he is.

Simple as that!!
Yep again.

[GoodLife]

I don't think anybody is denying the man's past achievements.

The issue is the inordinate coverage he gets based on his past and an ever hopeful current "resurrection" at the expense of covering those that are in fact CURRENTLY playing better than he is.

Simple as that!!

If you read carefully you will see I was replying to a post that said "what a waste of talent" Nothing about coverage.

[billethkid]

If you read carefully you will see I was replying to a post that said "what a waste of talent" Nothing about coverage.

Exactly how I read it.
Mine was a jump shift back to coverage and the media obsessing on such past achievements VS the his actual status of current play.

It is what it is and only time will bring the media mania back to the reality of the present......where he will or won't be playing better than today's best!! And back to fair coverage of current standings.

[Topspinmo]

Clueless comment, todays pro golfers are truly tremendous athletes and practice fitness routines similar to other world class athletes.

Not many fat slobs on tour these days, John Daly on senior tour and "Beef" on regular tour. Guess what? They make more in a weekend than you did in the best year of your life.

Daly shot a 3-under 69 to finish at 14-under 202 and earned $322,500.

Beef won Spanish open 2016 earned $450,000

And about your comment "What a waste of talent"

Woods has won 79 official PGA Tour events, second only to Sam Snead, and six ahead of Jack Nicklaus with 73 wins. (See List of golfers with most PGA Tour wins.)
Woods has won 14 majors, second all time, behind Jack Nicklaus.
Woods is 14–1 when going into the final round of a major with at least a share of the lead.
Woods scoring average in 2000 is the lowest in PGA Tour history, both adjusted, 67.79, and unadjusted, 68.17.[1]
Woods has the lowest career scoring average in PGA Tour history.
Woods has amassed the most career earnings of any player in PGA Tour history (even after inflation is considered).
Woods is one of five players (along with Gene Sarazen, Ben Hogan, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus) to have won all four professional major championships in his career, known as the Career Grand Slam, and was the youngest to do so.[2]
Woods is the only player to have won all four professional major championships in a row, accomplishing the feat in the 2000–2001 seasons. This feat became known as the "Tiger Slam".
Woods set the all-time PGA Tour record for most consecutive cuts made, with 142. The streak started in 1998, he set the record at the 2003 Tour Championship with 114 (passing Byron Nelson's previous record of 113 and Jack Nicklaus at 105) and extended this mark to 142 before it ended on May 13, 2005 at the EDS Byron Nelson Championship. Many consider this to be one of the most remarkable golf accomplishments of all time, given the margin by which he broke the old record and given that during the streak, the next longest streak by any other player was usually only in the 10s or 20s.[3][4][5][6] It should be noted that when Byron Nelson played far fewer players made the cut in a given event.[citation needed]
Woods has won a record 25.2% (79 out of 313) of his professional starts on the PGA Tour. Think about that!
Woods is the only golfer to have won the U.S. Amateur three consecutive times (1994–96).

Yeah, what a waste....:popcorn:

Here's Tiger's home, what's yours look like?

74543

So they made lots of money and wasted lot more with they're bad habits. I garrentee you I managed it lot better than your two examples.

But, he hasn't pass jack in majors and probably never will. He could of it he hadn't hooked up with the basketball players which lead him astray. This NEVER would of happen if his dad hadn't died. Tiger could of be the very best ever, but like mike Tyson he got too much money and distracted, at least Tyson had an excuse, he can from nowhere, no education or solid upper middle class life. Tiger didn't, his dad was army officer and only experienced the rich snobs that controlled county clubs.

After his wife found out he was popping whores and almost planted the 9 iron in his thick head. He couldn't hit fairway, hurt his back getting out of the hay fields. Tiger imploded himself. I agree, there are many great golfers that are in shape and there are lots that's not, which you don't see it other sports that you have to move.

You compare him to the old golfers, didn't they play 36 hole day and the clubs and balls was subpar compaired to today technology?

Golf has always be game for rich snobs and has bad history when it comes to common people. Today golf about money. Tiger is money maker.

I would rather look at his little gold digger wife's accomplishments. At least she's got good management skills.

[Chi-Town]

So they made lots of money and wasted lot more with they're bad habits. I garrentee you I managed it lot better than your two examples.

But, he hasn't pass jack in majors and probably never will. He could of it he hadn't hooked up with the basketball players which lead him astray. This NEVER would of happen if his dad hadn't died. Tiger could of be the very best ever, but like mike Tyson he got too much money and distracted, at least Tyson had an excuse, he can from nowhere, no education or solid upper middle class life. Tiger didn't, his dad was army officer and only experienced the rich snobs that controlled county clubs.

After his wife found out he was popping whores and almost planted the 9 iron in his thick head. He couldn't hit fairway, hurt his back getting out of the hay fields. Tiger imploded himself. I agree, there are many great golfers that are in shape and there are lots that's not, which you don't see it other sports that you have to move.

You compare him to the old golfers, didn't they play 36 hole day and the clubs and balls was subpar compaired to today technology?

Golf has always be game for rich snobs and has bad history when it comes to common people. Today golf about money. Tiger is money maker.

I would rather look at his little gold digger wife's accomplishments. At least she's got good management skills.

So they made lots of money and wasted lot more with they're bad habits. I garrentee you I managed it lot better than your two examples.

But, he hasn't pass jack in majors and probably never will. He could of it he hadn't hooked up with the basketball players which lead him astray. This NEVER would of happen if his dad hadn't died. Tiger could of be the very best ever, but like mike Tyson he got too much money and distracted, at least Tyson had an excuse, he can from nowhere, no education or solid upper middle class life. Tiger didn't, his dad was army officer and only experienced the rich snobs that controlled county clubs.

After his wife found out he was popping whores and almost planted the 9 iron in his thick head. He couldn't hit fairway, hurt his back getting out of the hay fields. Tiger imploded himself. I agree, there are many great golfers that are in shape and there are lots that's not, which you don't see it other sports that you have to move.

You compare him to the old golfers, didn't they play 36 hole day and the clubs and balls was subpar compaired to today technology?

Golf has always be game for rich snobs and has bad history when it comes to common people. Today golf about money. Tiger is money maker.

I would rather look at his little gold digger wife's accomplishments. At least she's got good management skills.

Here's Tiger's ex-wife's house. On the market for $49.5 million. Check out the layout, very calming. Ease back and enjoy.

Tiger Woods' Ex, Elin Nordegren, Selling $49.5M Florida Mansion | realtor.com(R) (https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/elin-nordegren-florida-mansion/)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180323/9c5fa603933e95241aebb8d44c25c9ac.jpg

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[Fredman]

Here's Tiger's ex-wife's house. On the market for $49.5 million. Check out the layout, very calming. Ease back and enjoy.

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Good for her

[Topspinmo]

Here's Tiger's ex-wife's house. On the market for $49.5 million. Check out the layout, very calming. Ease back and enjoy.

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I like it. The little gold digger new exactly what she was going to end up with and it wasn't tiger.

[Topspinmo]

Clueless comment, todays pro golfers are truly tremendous athletes and practice fitness routines similar to other world class athletes.

Not many fat slobs on tour these days, John Daly on senior tour and "Beef" on regular tour. Guess what? They make more in a weekend than you did in the best year of your life.

Daly shot a 3-under 69 to finish at 14-under 202 and earned $322,500.

Beef won Spanish open 2016 earned $450,000

And about your comment "What a waste of talent"

Woods has won 79 official PGA Tour events, second only to Sam Snead, and six ahead of Jack Nicklaus with 73 wins. (See List of golfers with most PGA Tour wins.)
Woods has won 14 majors, second all time, behind Jack Nicklaus.
Woods is 14–1 when going into the final round of a major with at least a share of the lead.
Woods scoring average in 2000 is the lowest in PGA Tour history, both adjusted, 67.79, and unadjusted, 68.17.[1]
Woods has the lowest career scoring average in PGA Tour history.
Woods has amassed the most career earnings of any player in PGA Tour history (even after inflation is considered).
Woods is one of five players (along with Gene Sarazen, Ben Hogan, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus) to have won all four professional major championships in his career, known as the Career Grand Slam, and was the youngest to do so.[2]
Woods is the only player to have won all four professional major championships in a row, accomplishing the feat in the 2000–2001 seasons. This feat became known as the "Tiger Slam".
Woods set the all-time PGA Tour record for most consecutive cuts made, with 142. The streak started in 1998, he set the record at the 2003 Tour Championship with 114 (passing Byron Nelson's previous record of 113 and Jack Nicklaus at 105) and extended this mark to 142 before it ended on May 13, 2005 at the EDS Byron Nelson Championship. Many consider this to be one of the most remarkable golf accomplishments of all time, given the margin by which he broke the old record and given that during the streak, the next longest streak by any other player was usually only in the 10s or 20s.[3][4][5][6] It should be noted that when Byron Nelson played far fewer players made the cut in a given event.[citation needed]
Woods has won a record 25.2% (79 out of 313) of his professional starts on the PGA Tour. Think about that!
Woods is the only golfer to have won the U.S. Amateur three consecutive times (1994–96).

Yeah, what a waste....:popcorn:

Here's Tiger's home, what's yours look like?

74543


Again fat slobs can compete. There lots more if you can look at the field.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Again fat slobs can compete. There lots more if you can look at the field.

There are a few guys that appear to be out of shape, but it's that it's just their natural bodies. And there are not a lot of them. Take a look at the top fifty on the tour and you'll see that they are in great physical condition. You almost have to be today to compete at that level.

I often wonder how a guy like Tim Herron has played all these years, walking up and down those hills and hasn't lost a lot of weight. He hasn't won a whole lot, but he's made a living on The PGA Tour which can't be said about a whole lot of people in history. I worked on the practice tee at the Boston tournament a few years back and as I was walking back to my car, I saw Time Herron going into the fitness trailer. He may be a big guy but he keeps himself in pretty good shape for the shape that he is.

And if you don't think that golf is physically taxing, go to an event and follow a group for eighteen holes. You might be surprised at how taxing the walk is. Then consider that these guys are up hours before their tee time stretching. Then they hit balls, chip and putt for about an hour or more before their round. Then after the round, they might hit 500-1,000 balls before they go for their workout.

Even though a few (and it really is only a very few) players, like Herron, Beef, Jason Dufner look like they are not ripped athletes, they are in good shape. They have strength and tremendous flexibility. The rest of them are ripped athletes. You cannot play golf at that level if you are a fat, out of shape slob.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I wonder what the viewership was this weekend. Bubba attacks a lot of viewers and Justin Thomas had a chance to get to #1 in the world, but I don't think a lot of people watched because of that.

Rory and DJ exited early so a lot of viewers were lost because of that.

But this is exactly why the networks treat Tiger like they do. If Tiger had been playing and especially if he reached the finals, viewership would have doubled.

A Rory Tiger final might have broken all records.

[rustyp]

There are a few guys that appear to be out of shape, but it's that it's just their natural bodies. And there are not a lot of them. Take a look at the top fifty on the tour and you'll see that they are in great physical condition. You almost have to be today to compete at that level.

I often wonder how a guy like Tim Herron has played all these years, walking up and down those hills and hasn't lost a lot of weight. He hasn't won a whole lot, but he's made a living on The PGA Tour which can't be said about a whole lot of people in history. I worked on the practice tee at the Boston tournament a few years back and as I was walking back to my car, I saw Time Herron going into the fitness trailer. He may be a big guy but he keeps himself in pretty good shape for the shape that he is.

And if you don't think that golf is physically taxing, go to an event and follow a group for eighteen holes. You might be surprised at how taxing the walk is. Then consider that these guys are up hours before their tee time stretching. Then they hit balls, chip and putt for about an hour or more before their round. Then after the round, they might hit 500-1,000 balls before they go for their workout.

Even though a few (and it really is only a very few) players, like Herron, Beef, Jason Dufner look like they are not ripped athletes, they are in good shape. They have strength and tremendous flexibility. The rest of them are ripped athletes. You cannot play golf at that level if you are a fat, out of shape slob.

I resemble that remark

[Fredman]

I wonder what the viewership was this weekend. Bubba attacks a lot of viewers and Justin Thomas had a chance to get to #1 in the world, but I don't think a lot of people watched because of that.

Rory and DJ exited early so a lot of viewers were lost because of that.

But this is exactly why the networks treat Tiger like they do. If Tiger had been playing and especially if he reached the finals, viewership would have doubled.

A Rory Tiger final might have broken all records.

I never heard of Bubba attracting anyone. I watched and enjoyed that no one was gushing over tiger

[billethkid]

The announcers on yesterdays PGA tournament must be paid by Woods.
The would too frequently comment about a given hole and how "Tiger" played it in 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Puh-leeze......give us a break!