Dogs In The Squares When Extremely Crowded

[2BNTV]

I was in SS square for the St Paddy Day Parade and the car show the following day. The square was extremely packed.

I was wondering if anyone thought it's unkind to their dogs to be in such a crowded space, as they might get injured.

BTW - I am not a dog owner.

[raynan]

I am a dog owner. IMO it is cruel to take dogs on leashes or in strollers when the squares are so crowded and especially in the heat of the summer. It is not good for the dogs or everyone else who are trying not to trip on leashes or strollers. It's become downright dangerous when there are festivals which are so crowded. Leave your pets home in A/C and napping while you go out for a couple of hours. Let the name calling begin. I can take it.

[Uberschaf]

I agree as I was in the new Lowes and there were many dogs with the customers. All of a sudden I heard a dog fight going on from afar and a yelp. Dogs don't always get along as people don't get along. Please don't drag your dog to someplace that is stressful to them.

[patfla06]

Why would anyone bring their dog to Lowe’s???

[Cisco Kid]

I was in SS square for the St Paddy Day Parade and the car show the following day. The square was extremely packed.

I was wondering if anyone thought it's unkind to their dogs to be in such a crowded space, as they might get injured.

BTW - I am not a dog owner.

To solve this. People without dogs should be banned.
God knows something is wrong with them.

[dnobles]

I love dogs and I feel the same way Plus the pavement was very hot for dogs that were walking

[Mleeja]

I am a dog owner and lover. I agree leave your dogs at home when going to the squares when you know it is going to crowded.

[CFrance]

To solve this. People without dogs should be banned.
God knows something is wrong with them.
OMG. You are priceless!:highfive:

[600th Photo Sq]

These dog owners are simply " Clueless " . Somehow they seem to think that their priceless baby will be " Lonesome " without them... Get a life and grow up ...Leave Fido at home.

Footnote: When Square One Burger allowed Dogs on the patio I brought my Cat and Parrot sat down and was all set to order and was asked to leave...Go figure...making a staement.

[600th Photo Sq]

OMG. You are priceless!:highfive:

CISCO Makes a valid point...Better still call the Humane Society

[coffeebean]

I agree as I was in the new Lowes and there were many dogs with the customers. All of a sudden I heard a dog fight going on from afar and a yelp. Dogs don't always get along as people don't get along. Please don't drag your dog to someplace that is stressful to them.

It has only been recently that I'm seeing dogs everywhere.....even in restaurants at outside tables. Years ago, dogs in restaurants were only allowed in Europe and certainly not here in America. What has happened? Why are all these establishments allowing dogs? All of these dogs are certainly not service dogs or emotional support animals.

[LittleDog]

We had breakfast this morning in Toojays at Lake Sumter Landing and while exiting in the line there was a women with a small dog in line and I didn't see any service dog sign on the dog.

John

[Chellybean]

Just Something to think about.
Some folks lost there significant other and a dog is there only companion.
As a prior dog owner they become your family and some people here that live alone, that may be there only family.
Just something to consider.

[CFrance]

These dog owners are simply " Clueless " . Somehow they seem to think that their priceless baby will be " Lonesome " without them... Get a life and grow up ...Leave Fido at home.

Footnote: When Square One Burger allowed Dogs on the patio I brought my Cat and Parrot sat down and was all set to order and was asked to leave...Go figure...making a staement.
So it's not okay to take a dog out with you but it is okay to take your cat and parrot!

Methinks you're making that up.:evil6:

[Carla B]

Well, maybe he was asked to leave because the parrot used bad language.

[Fredman]

Companion dogs is a big joke.

[New Englander]

Why would anyone bring their dog to Lowe’s???

I live 1 mile from the new Loews. Saturday afternoon I went there to pick up one item. I knew exactly where the item was located so I wasn't in the store very long. In that short time 3 people walked past me with their dogs. I think many of these got to have my doggy with me all the time folks are gaming the system.

[CFrance]

I live 1 mile from the new Loews. Saturday afternoon I went there to pick up one item. I knew exactly where the item was located so I wasn't in the store very long. In that short time 3 people walked past me with their dogs. I think many of these got to have my doggy with me all the time folks are gaming the system.
There is no gaming the system for Lowe's or Home Depot. Dogs have always been allowed there.

The gaming the system is being done by those trying to pass their dogs off as guide dogs.

[Wiotte]

These dog owners are simply " Clueless " . Somehow they seem to think that their priceless baby will be " Lonesome " without them... Get a life and grow up ...Leave Fido at home.

Footnote: When Square One Burger allowed Dogs on the patio I brought my Cat and Parrot sat down and was all set to order and was asked to leave...Go figure...making a staement.



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[600th Photo Sq]

So it's not okay to take a dog out with you but it is okay to take your cat and parrot!

Methinks you're making that up.:evil6:

Nope did not make it up. I knew what would happen ..like I said just making a statement.

Ridiculous taking a pet anywhere...get real. I'm waiting for someone to bring along their gold fish, gerbil, snake, rat, lizard..Get the picture.

[gerryann]

The few "big box" stores where you see dogs....they are allowed. There are a few dog friendly restaurants in TV where dogs are welcome on their patio. ( they need a special lisence). Other than service dogs.....they don't belong inside of restaurants. The "comfort dog" situation had gotten out of hand all over the country. It really irritates me when i see these foo foo dogs being "used" as comfort dogs. They get a fake vest on line.

[Barefoot]

To solve this. People without dogs should be banned.
God knows something is wrong with them.

I agree with CFrance, you are priceless! :evil6:

[thelegges]

[QUOTE=Cisco Kid;1524590]To solve this. People without dogs should be banned.
God knows something is wrong with them.[/QUOTE

So I guess we are part of the undesirable.

[CFrance]

Nope did not make it up. I knew what would happen ..like I said just making a statement.

Ridiculous taking a pet anywhere...get real. I'm waiting for someone to bring along their gold fish, gerbil, snake, rat, lizard..Get the picture.
Not really.

[Chi-Town]

I agree as I was in the new Lowes and there were many dogs with the customers. All of a sudden I heard a dog fight going on from afar and a yelp. Dogs don't always get along as people don't get along. Please don't drag your dog to someplace that is stressful to them.I was on the new Lowe's the other day and a couple was pushing their dog around in a stroller. I thought it was wierd, not common. BTW, they need to fully stock that store.


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[Mleeja]

I live 1 mile from the new Loews. Saturday afternoon I went there to pick up one item. I knew exactly where the item was located so I wasn't in the store very long. In that short time 3 people walked past me with their dogs. I think many of these got to have my doggy with me all the time folks are gaming the system.

If I am going on a quick trip to Ace Hardware in La Grande Plaza I will take my dog. Dogs are welcome in the store and has treats for them at the checkouts. However, I do not take the dog to the squares or restaurants.

[Kahuna32162]

In Publix at Mulberry Grove on Saturday at about noon, dog walking down the isle, going from side to side sniffing everything. I mentioned this to my cashier and was told they were not allowed to ask or challenge anyone about the legitimacy of the animals purpose.

I WANT A SUPPORT LLAMA!

[Fraugoofy]

I was in SS square for the St Paddy Day Parade and the car show the following day. The square was extremely packed.

I was wondering if anyone thought it's unkind to their dogs to be in such a crowded space, as they might get injured.

BTW - I am not a dog owner.I think dogs should be allowed at the Squares only when they play 70's music. Problem solved...tee hee! Peace out!

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[Fredman]

If I am going on a quick trip to Ace Hardware in La Grande Plaza I will take my dog. Dogs are welcome in the store and has treats for them at the checkouts. However, I do not take the dog to the squares or restaurants.

Why do u feel the need to take ur dog to a business establishment

[Wiotte]

I like my dog enough not to stress him out dragging him through places he clearly doesn’t belong or truly welcomed. I suppose it’s how you’re raised. I don’t mind dogs in retail places I just don’t understand it. But here’s a big but. Anyone taking their dog to where I’m eating and I see or hear it I will politely tell the manager to have the dog removed or I’m walking out without paying for the experience I never wanted or expected nor should have to put up with because of some needy soul without a clue.





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[justjim]

Nope did not make it up. I knew what would happen ..like I said just making a statement.

Ridiculous taking a pet anywhere...get real. I'm waiting for someone to bring along their gold fish, gerbil, snake, rat, lizard..Get the picture.

Not long ago there was a guy and gal at Sumter Landing with a huge snake. For real......

[justjim]

In Public at Mulberry Grove on Saturday at about noon, dog walking down the isle, going from side to side sniffing everything. I mentioned this to my cashier and was told they were not allowed to ask or challenge anyone about the legitimacy of the animals purpose.

I WANT A SUPPORT LLAMA!

I think most reasonable people agree that dogs in public places have gotten “over the top”. Some are legitimate but some appear to me to be no more than a pet. I’m afraid nothing will change, and likely get worse, until there is some “Certification process” with a tag similar to a rabies tag to identify your dog as a legitimate trained service/comfort dog. I saw two dogs at church this morning. Church is for sinners and before we pass judgement perhaps they were there for a purpose. Just a thought.....

[big guy]

I am seeing dogs in stores, including the supermarket. Leave them at home. They are dogs, not babies.

[patfla06]

I adore dogs. I have a grand dog that I spoil.

However I happen to have bad allergies that can be triggered by
dogs. Please do NOT bring your dogs into stores.

[Mrs. Robinson]

To solve this. People without dogs should be banned.
God knows something is wrong with them.

Puleeze. . . don't ever lose your sense of humor (gulp).

But actually, I'm in agreement with you.

[Mrs. Robinson]

In Public at Mulberry Grove on Saturday at about noon, dog walking down the isle, going from side to side sniffing everything. I mentioned this to my cashier and was told they were not allowed to ask or challenge anyone about the legitimacy of the animals purpose.

I WANT A SUPPORT LLAMA!

That is very true.
By law, they cannot ask.

However . . . you can! :spoken:

[Mrs. Robinson]

I like my dog enough not to stress him out dragging him through places he clearly doesn’t belong or truly welcomed. I suppose it’s how you’re raised. I don’t mind dogs in retail places I just don’t understand it. But here’s a big but. Anyone taking their dog to where I’m eating and I see or hear it I will politely tell the manager to have the dog removed or I’m walking out without paying for the experience I never wanted or expected nor should have to put up with because of some needy soul without a clue.

Other than at a McDonald's (or the equivalent), I feel the same way about screaming kids or kids running around and not staying in their seats.

[IndianaJones]

Well, maybe he was asked to leave because the parrot used bad language.

Okay, stop me if you’ve heard this one - a rabbi, a priest & a minister walk into a pet store in The Villages....

LOL...

[biker1]

As I understand it, the ADA doesn't recognize "comfort" animals. They do recognize "service" animals. Establishments can ask if the "service" animal is required because of a disability and what services the animal is providing. If more establishments did this then perhaps the number of "pets" in stores would decrease. I can appreciate the fact that most businesses don't want to risk losing customers and I suspect that is why you don't see any (many) challenges.

I think most reasonable people agree that dogs in public places have gotten “over the top”. Some are legitimate but some appear to me to be no more than a pet. I’m afraid nothing will change, and likely get worse, until there is some “Certification process” with a tag similar to a rabies tag to identify your dog as a legitimate trained service/comfort dog. I saw two dogs at church this morning. Church is for sinners and before we pass judgement perhaps they were there for a purpose. Just a thought.....

[ping]

I too love dogs, but I would NEVER subject my pet to the noise, crowds, heat and no water that some others are willing to do! What’s the purpose? You’re no doing it under these circumstances to exersize your pet. Certainly not for socializing (situation is stressful and overwhelming for any pooch). No, it’s a selfish thing for the dog owner. Look at my large handsome dog behaving so well in such a public place. Or look at my cute little substitute baby in her stroller with pink ribbons in her fur. There are many varied themes to this, but the realization is that it’s not about the diog, it’s about the owner! The dog may suffer, but the owner has the spot light. Leave your pets at home if you truly care about them,

[Topspinmo]

As I understand it, the ADA doesn't recognize "comfort" animals. They do recognize "service" animals. Establishments can ask if the "service" animal is required because of a disability and what services the animal is providing. If more establishments did this then perhaps the number of "pets" in stores would decrease. I can appreciate the fact that most businesses don't want to risk losing customers and I suspect that is why you don't see any (many) challenges.

The only service dogs IMO allowed any eating establishment are service dogs for the blind. Dogs in the square (area where the dance and stage are) should be no dogs allowed. Dogs have sensitive hearing IMO you're damaging your dog ears being that close to the band therefore again IMO should be animal abuse :D

[biker1]

Restaurants must allow service dogs. The service dog can perform any of a number of services and is not restricted to just seeing eye dogs. For example, the service dog could be pulling a wheelchair. This is federal law (ADA).

The only service dogs IMO allowed any eating establishment are service dogs for the blind. Dogs in the square (area where the dance and stage are) should be no dogs allowed. Dogs have sensitive hearing IMO you're damaging your dog ears being that close to the band therefore again IMO should be animal abuse :D

[manaboutown]

I too love dogs, but I would NEVER subject my pet to the noise, crowds, heat and no water that some others are willing to do! What’s the purpose? You’re no doing it under these circumstances to exersize your pet. Certainly not for socializing (situation is stressful and overwhelming for any pooch). No, it’s a selfish thing for the dog owner. Look at my large handsome dog behaving so well in such a public place. Or look at my cute little substitute baby in her stroller with pink ribbons in her fur. There are many varied themes to this, but the realization is that it’s not about the diog, it’s about the owner! The dog may suffer, but the owner has the spot light. Leave your pets at home if you truly care about them,

:agree::BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

[tophcfa]

Restaurants must allow service dogs. The service dog can perform any of a number of services and is not restricted to just seeing eye dogs. For example, the service dog could be pulling a wheelchair. This is federal law (ADA).

Oh no, not the ADA again. Let's hope the Enrichment Academy (formerly The Lifelong Learning College) doesn't have to shut down because they are being sued by dog owners for not providing dog beds, cold water, and treats at all classes.

[biker1]

As far as I know, the ADA doesn't specify that dog beds, cold water, and treats need to be provided so I think we are OK. I assume you are fortunate enough not to suffer from a disability that requires you to rely on a service dog?

Oh no, not the ADA again. Let's hope the Enrichment Academy (formerly The Lifelong Learning College) doesn't have to shut down because they are being sued by dog owners for not providing dog beds, cold water, and treats at all classes.

[Amb3rTastic]

As a dog and animal lover, I 100% agree. I can understand companion and service dogs, but the squares do become very easily over crowded. Along with the possible stress on the poor animals, my daughter gets so excited to try and pet them(she knows not to bother working dogs), but a lot of time, unfriendly owners turn their nose up at her when she compliments their dog or asks to pet. It's sad :(

As far as businesses go, my mom had a dog that she considered her "service dog"(she was getting him licensed when she passed away) and took him everywhere. When my mom was sick in bed, we would trick him into getting up to go outside by telling him we were going to Lowe's lol! He loved going to visit Lowe's and riding in the cart, loved the attention he would get. And that's really the only time he would get out of the house, as he was always by my mom's side, would never leave her.
At appropriate businesses, totally acceptable if they're properly leashed or in the carts.

[spring_chicken]

I am a dog owner and I was not a fan of the people with dogs in the parade. I watched as those dogs stood around on the hot pavement for over an hour before the parade and then another 45 minutes of walking during the parade. That pavement was HOT.

[karostay]

To solve this. People without dogs should be banned.
God knows something is wrong with them.

Better yet
People who think and treat their pet as if being human should be examined

[RedChariot]

Better yet
People who think and treat their pet as if being human should be examined

I think you might be on to something.

[dmorhome]

Because it is a dog gone good place.

[Fredster]

I think you might be on to something.

:agree:

[pauld315]

I was at LSL on March 16th ( the same day as the St Paddy Day's Day parade in SS) Uncle Bob's Rock Shop was playing.So, LSL was not as crowded as it would normally be for that band. Some woman thought it was necessary (or cute) to bring her dog on a leash onto the dance floor. Within a minute, some elderly gentleman almost fell over the dog. Not fair to the guests of the square or the dog ! Keep your dog off the dance floor !

[Schneil]

Similar experience at Mt. Dora this weekend, it was equally packed, between the hilly roads, curbs, vendors, people were dog in strollers and YES-Backpack carriers it was not a good experience for the dogs or humans. I DID NOT SEE ANY PETS MAKING A PURCHASE! I agree, leave your pets at home, they will not move out because you left them for a few hours. In fact, they'll be waiting for you and love you unconditionally!

[EPutnam1863]

I am deaf and yet do not like seeing deafies with their hearing ear dogs anywhere. They embarrass me as they abuse their rights to service dogs. I am thankful that the taxpayers no longer have to pay for their training.

[Nancy@Pinellas]

I agree. I love my dog too much to stress her out like that. Most of them have their tails tucked under like they’re miserable.

[Abby10]

I was at LSL on March 16th ( the same day as the St Paddy Day's Day parade in SS) Uncle Bob's Rock Shop was playing.So, LSL was not as crowded as it would normally be for that band. Some woman thought it was necessary (or cute) to bring her dog on a leash onto the dance floor. Within a minute, some elderly gentleman almost fell over the dog. Not fair to the guests of the square or the dog ! Keep your dog off the dance floor !

Reading through these posts, this was the first thing that came to my mind. The possible tripping hazard this may cause even for a younger person, let alone older people who already may be struggling with mobility problems.

The other thought I had was that even the gentlest animal can become agitated in a stressful situation. Consider someone accidentally stepping on a dog and the dog reacts, as one normally might, by attempting to bite the person.

To me this situation is an accident waiting to happen, not to mention the law suits that could ensue as a result of an unfortunate incident. It seems to me that keeping your dog at home, especially if the venue will be very crowded, would be the prudent thing to do.

[queasy27]

I too love dogs, but I would NEVER subject my pet to the noise, crowds, heat and no water that some others are willing to do! What’s the purpose? You’re not doing it under these circumstances to exercise your pet. Certainly not for socializing (situation is stressful and overwhelming for any pooch). No, it’s a selfish thing for the dog owner. Look at my large handsome dog behaving so well in such a public place. Or look at my cute little substitute baby in her stroller with pink ribbons in her fur. There are many varied themes to this, but the realization is that it’s not about the dog, it’s about the owner! The dog may suffer, but the owner ha s the spot light. Leave your pets at home if you tru,y care about them.

Great post! :bowdown::bowdown:

Please put your animal's needs above your own.

If dog owners are bereaved or otherwise lonely and consider dogs to be their family, there are still many other hours in the day to derive comfort and fun from their company.

[Cisco Kid]

CISCO Makes a valid point...Better still call the Humane Society


25 year member. What would you like me to say to myself.

[PennBF]

It is obvious that most of you did not live on a farm. Dogs are not people and to treat them like people is like someone treating people like dogs. They are not babies and do not belong in a baby carriage. This does not mean they should be treated badly..just as what they are. It is like pretending they are some type of human baby or baby doll. We had a ew dogs on the farm and they were well fed, had all the land to run and play, could work bringing in the cattle, etc etc. We did not bring them in the house for their dinner and we didn't ABUSE them by pretending they were some form of human being. We view it as sad for both the dog and the person when we see them being treated as some weird form of a human. :ho:

[Henryk]

These dog owners are simply " Clueless " . Somehow they seem to think that their priceless baby will be " Lonesome " without them... Get a life and grow up ...Leave Fido at home.

Footnote: When Square One Burger allowed Dogs on the patio I brought my Cat and Parrot sat down and was all set to order and was asked to leave...Go figure...making a staement.

That is very funny. But I would have argued. If you can have a dog, why not a cat (or parrot)? Poor management.

[Miles42]

Beating another horse to death.

[graciegirl]

It is obvious that most of you did not live on a farm. Dogs are not people and to treat them like people is like someone treating people like dogs. They are not babies and do not belong in a baby carriage. This does not mean they should be treated badly..just as what they are. It is like pretending they are some type of human baby or baby doll. We had a ew dogs on the farm and they were well fed, had all the land to run and play, could work bringing in the cattle, etc etc. We did not bring them in the house for their dinner and we didn't ABUSE them by pretending they were some form of human being. We view it as sad for both the dog and the person when we see them being treated as some weird form of a human. :ho:

I don't have a dog. We have two cats as pets.

I think when humans are kind to their pets it is a good thing. Many are lonely for companionship and their pets fill that need. To most of us they mean more than working dogs meant to farmers. I agree that we need to remember that our pets, our kids, are loved by us and others don't have the privilege of the bond we share. Most of us should remember NOT to inconvenience others with our kids or pets and try to teach them to behave in such a way that others enjoy them.

I don't trust anyone who doesn't like dogs or cats. That is just me.

[manaboutown]

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[600th Photo Sq]

I don't have a dog. We have two cats as pets.

I think when humans are kind to their pets it is a good thing. Many are lonely for companionship and their pets fill that need. To most of us they mean more than working dogs meant to farmers. I agree that we need to remember that our pets, our kids, are loved by us and others don't have the privilege of the bond we share. Most of us should remember NOT to inconvenience others with our kids or pets and try to teach them to behave in such a way that others enjoy them.

I don't trust anyone who doesn't like dogs or cats. That is just me.

What on earth has your reply to the farm with dogs got to do with bringing dogs to the Town Squares ?

[Abby10]

What on earth has your reply to the farm with dogs got to do with bringing dogs to the Town Squares ?

Check the post she was replying to - that person was referencing farm animals/dogs. She was just responding to it.

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[CFrance]

I don't have a dog. We have two cats as pets.

I think when humans are kind to their pets it is a good thing. Many are lonely for companionship and their pets fill that need. To most of us they mean more than working dogs meant to farmers. I agree that we need to remember that our pets, our kids, are loved by us and others don't have the privilege of the bond we share. Most of us should remember NOT to inconvenience others with our kids or pets and try to teach them to behave in such a way that others enjoy them.

I don't trust anyone who doesn't like dogs or cats. That is just me.

What on earth has your reply to the farm with dogs got to do with bringing dogs to the Town Squares ?

It has everything to do with it. Farm dogs are a completely different genre than pet dogs. Most people understand that.

And I agree with Gracie. Good training, and recognizing when and where your pet will be comfortable is essential. Some pets will be more anxious left alone at home than they would be when brought along. Some owners really need the companionship. But dogs are allowed in public. If someone wants their companion to be with them, that's their right. If it's well behaved, not burning its pads off (rarely happens) and you don't like it, it's really your problem and not the dog owner's.

[ColdNoMore]

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Nailed it! :thumbup:

[graciegirl]

A very dear friend lost her mate and is now very lonely.

I do so wish she would enjoy a cat or dog.

I do know that housework would be a lot easier without our two kitties.

I think when people allow their pets or their little ones to bother other people, then they, the parent, or the owner are somewhat selfish and insensitive and probably not responsible in a lot of dealings with others. The same goes when a person commits to own a pet. It is a responsibility and a life long commitment, in much the same way as marrying or having a child. You don't just get tired and quit, not if you are a decent person.

I believe most people love their pets for their "animalness" and not their imagined human qualities. Animals, pets, each come to us with their very own personality and most are a joy.

[gerryann]

Grace, you are so correct. I would be so lonely without my pup, but others don't necessarily want to be around her. She's overly friendly and demands attention and kisses and petting, and wiggles her little behind until she gets everyone's attention......therefore, I don't take her to public places.

But, I love to see other well behaved pups out and about with their owners.

[CFrance]

We just arrived in Beaune, France, on our way to Monpazier. With Crosby. No restaurant at the hotel, so we asked for some suggestions. Because they're so uptight in the US about dogs in restos, I asked of the concierge making suggestions, "Are dogs allowed?" he looked at me like I was nuts. "Of course!"

I don't recall ever hearing of anyone in Europe dying or contracting disease or anything else because someone took a dog out in public, or to a restaurant. People know if it's too hot or otherwise too unsafe to take their dogs out. It's no big deal to them. Our only problem is that the restaurants here are so small and the tables so close together, our golden is not too comfortable in them. We rarely take him. But we might tonight. Both the hotel and the city are new to him, and we've been in the car all day.

[CFrance]

I am deaf and yet do not like seeing deafies with their hearing ear dogs anywhere. They embarrass me as they abuse their rights to service dogs. I am thankful that the taxpayers no longer have to pay for their training.
This is weird. Why on earth would you object to a deaf person having their service dog out in public?

[Barefoot]

Keep your dog off the dance floor !
I agree with keeping dogs off the dance floor.
I've seen babies crawling around on the dance floor more than once.
Keep your babies off the dance floor! It's dangerous and dirty.


And I agree with Gracie. Good training, and recognizing when and where your pet will be comfortable is essential. Some pets will be more anxious left alone at home than they would be when brought along. Some owners really need the companionship. But dogs are allowed in public. If someone wants their companion to be with them, that's their right. If it's well behaved, not burning its pads off (rarely happens) and you don't like it, it's really your problem and not the dog owner's.
:thumbup: I wouldn't take our two dogs to the Town Squares because our Doodle is too exuberant.
However I think it's a personal decision.
I wouldn't sit in judgement of anyone who feels it's right to take their dog out in public.

[jojo]

We just arrived in Beaune, France, on our way to Monpazier. With Crosby. No restaurant at the hotel, so we asked for some suggestions. Because they're so uptight in the US about dogs in restos, I asked of the concierge making suggestions, "Are dogs allowed?" he looked at me like I was nuts. "Of course!"

I don't recall ever hearing of anyone in Europe dying or contracting disease or anything else because someone took a dog out in public, or to a restaurant. People know if it's too hot or otherwise too unsafe to take their dogs out. It's no big deal to them. Our only problem is that the restaurants here are so small and the tables so close together, our golden is not too comfortable in them. We rarely take him. But we might tonight. Both the hotel and the city are new to him, and we've been in the car all day.

It is interesting how especially in France, the home of gastronomy, that dogs are accepted. No bier garden in Germany is without dogs. BTW I love the town of Beaune - and the wines in the region.

[Miles42]

who let the dogs out

[CFrance]

It is interesting how especially in France, the home of gastronomy, that dogs are accepted. No bier garden in Germany is without dogs. BTW I love the town of Beaune - and the wines in the region.
It's really a quaint, pretty town. We've not been here before.

Crosby was sound asleep and seemed content, so he stayed in the room. Doing what's best from the dog's standpoint is our modus operandi. :)

[600th Photo Sq]

We just arrived in Beaune, France, on our way to Monpazier. With Crosby. No restaurant at the hotel, so we asked for some suggestions. Because they're so uptight in the US about dogs in restos, I asked of the concierge making suggestions, "Are dogs allowed?" he looked at me like I was nuts. "Of course!"

I don't recall ever hearing of anyone in Europe dying or contracting disease or anything else because someone took a dog out in public, or to a restaurant. People know if it's too hot or otherwise too unsafe to take their dogs out. It's no big deal to them. Our only problem is that the restaurants here are so small and the tables so close together, our golden is not too comfortable in them. We rarely take him. But we might tonight. Both the hotel and the city are new to him, and we've been in the car all day.

Well to begin with you are comparing one Country to another. Not fair comparison. Different laws, customs etc.etc.

Just because an animal is allowed in a Pub,Restaurant in England,France, Germany, Japan, Spain, India, Cairo, on and on doesn't mean anything here in the USA.

Stick to the comments posted by the original post.

[graciegirl]

Well to begin with you are comparing one Country to another. Not fair comparison. Different laws, customs etc.etc.

Just because an animal is allowed in a Pub,Restaurant in England,France, Germany, Japan, Spain, India, Cairo, on and on doesn't mean anything here in the USA.

Stick to the comments posted by the original post.

Ah-ha. YOU are the moderator. I had no idea.
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[Taltarzac725]

It's really a quaint, pretty town. We've not been here before.

Crosby was sound asleep and seemed content, so he stayed in the room. Doing what's best from the dog's standpoint is our modus operandi. :)

Sounds really fun and Crosby must be a very well traveled pooch.

My dog would not like all the noise at the Squares but some canines might be used to such activities.

[PennBF]

I am very familiar with the French and their acceptance of dogs in restaurants, etc as I worked in France for awhile.. Before you accept it as a good thing you may want to consider that in some restaurants they allow the dogs to eat off of the same plates used for diners, although not really fun to talk about they actually smell in the restaurant where you are eating. In net it is not a healthy practice to allow the animal to share dining spaces. We had a dog for many years and loved him but did not lose track that he/she did not share the same health issues as a human.
I really like dogs but don't pretend they are human. Or worse, just because I believe they should do things does not mean they like to do them. :ho:

[CFrance]

I am very familiar with the French and their acceptance of dogs in restaurants, etc as I worked in France for awhile.. Before you accept it as a good thing you may want to consider that in some restaurants they allow the dogs to eat off of the same plates used for diners, although not really fun to talk about they actually smell in the restaurant where you are eating. In net it is not a healthy practice to allow the animal to share dining spaces. We had a dog for many years and loved him but did not lose track that he/she did not share the same health issues as a human.
I really like dogs but don't pretend they are human. Or worse, just because I believe they should do things does not mean they like to do them. :ho:
I have never seen that in France and question whether the dog was up at the table licking off the plate or they put the plate down on the floor. Then ran it through their washing machine.

My answer to whoever said boo to comparing USA to France--that's exactly the point. Europe has been allowing it for years, with no problems.

[PennBF]

It is simple that if some don't have a problem with Dog's feeding with them in restaurants then enjoy yourself but I would rather not "Dine" in a pound. Just to clarify it is not at all unusual for the restaurant to use "restaurant" dishes in France to put on the floor and feed a dog. To believe they are sterilized after the dog has eaten is sort of short sighted. But everyone to their own health rules and comfort when dining.:ho:

[manaboutown]

They handle and sell unwrapped baguettes in France as well. I have watched them prepare food in exclusive restaurants in Paris, Nice and Bordeaux, arranging salads with their bare hands, perhaps wiping their hands on their aprons every once in a while, but not washing them or wearing hygiene gloves as most in food preparation now do in the US. People there see to have the sniffles a lot in winter...

[600th Photo Sq]

I have noticed on occasion that most dogs after doing their " Business " tend to clean themselves afterwards. That said I also have noticed that some owners will have absolutely no problem at all to smile and allow " Fido " to show his/her affection by licking their " Masters " face and other areas, and whomever else is in their vicinity including babies and others.

Once again leave " Fido " at home he/she really doesn't want to go out and hang out at wherever. BORING............

[Barefoot]

Once again, leave " Fido " at home he/she really doesn't want to go out and hang out at wherever. BORING.Once again, each dog owner has to make the right decision for the dog and for themselves.
I wouldn't sit in judgement of anyone who wants to take their dog out in public.

[Fredster]

This thread is about taking a dog to a crowed town square!
If a dog owner takes their pet* to a crowded town square,
I personally don’t think it reflects good judgement!
*Non legit service dog.

[Polar Bear]

Personally I don't think dogs and restaurants mix.

But a dog at a crowded square? If a well-behaved dog is on a short leash, and the owner is courteous and respectful of others...and stays off the dance floor...I don't see a problem.

[Nucky]

Are Polar Bears allowed at the square? I hope so. If so how could a little pup be bad? For the OP to bring this up he must have witnessed something askew. I love dogs with all my heart but the owners are going to make decisions that are aggravating to those of us who know better. LOL. Some people may have never given the dogs side view of the Square and this post will save them from the punishment of going there again. Woof!

[Polar Bear]

Are Polar Bears allowed at the square? I hope so. If so how could a little pup be bad?...Woof!
Yes, I am allowed at the squares. And yes, my wife does keep me on a very short leash. :)

[bilcon]

These dog owners are simply " Clueless " . Somehow they seem to think that their priceless baby will be " Lonesome " without them... Get a life and grow up ...Leave Fido at home.

Footnote: When Square One Burger allowed Dogs on the patio I brought my Cat and Parrot sat down and was all set to order and was asked to leave...Go figure...making a staement.

I brought my Therapy Kangaroo to Square One, and they would not serve.:bigbow:

[Psa1000]

I don't have a dog. We have two cats as pets.

I think when humans are kind to their pets it is a good thing. Many are lonely for companionship and their pets fill that need. To most of us they mean more than working dogs meant to farmers. I agree that we need to remember that our pets, our kids, are loved by us and others don't have the privilege of the bond we share. Most of us should remember NOT to inconvenience others with our kids or pets and try to teach them to behave in such a way that others enjoy them.

I don't trust anyone who doesn't like dogs or cats. That is just me.



Me too I agree although I try to protect my dog from mean people!


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[tomwed]

I have a therapy Koala Bear. Every night we walk to the square for music and line dancing and every night get there too late.

[CFrance]

I have noticed on occasion that most dogs after doing their " Business " tend to clean themselves afterwards. That said I also have noticed that some owners will have absolutely no problem at all to smile and allow " Fido " to show his/her affection by licking their " Masters " face and other areas, and whomever else is in their vicinity including babies and others.

Once again leave " Fido " at home he/she really doesn't want to go out and hang out at wherever. BORING............
First of all, I have never ever seen a dog clean himself after doing his business. So I believe your statement is poppycock.

Secondly... don't tell me what to do.

[PennBF]

Just to clarify some of the risks associated with dogs and potential transfers of disease to humans: They are. Bacterium Campylubacter, Salmonella, E Coli, Parvovirus + a number of other possible diseases and infections!! You may want to think twice before letting "fido" lick your face or mouth or pretending they are just another member of the family and human race. :mornincoffee:

[Fredster]

Just to clarify some of the risks associated with dogs and potential transfers of disease to humans: They are. Bacterium Campylubacter, Salmonella, E Coli, Parvovirus + a number of other possible diseases and infections!! You may want to think twice before letting "fido" lick your face or mouth or pretending they are just another member of the family and human race. :mornincoffee:

:agree: very wise suggestion!

[pattytracey]

I dog sit anytime

[graciegirl]

Just to clarify some of the risks associated with dogs and potential transfers of disease to humans: They are. Bacterium Campylubacter, Salmonella, E Coli, Parvovirus + a number of other possible diseases and infections!! You may want to think twice before letting "fido" lick your face or mouth or pretending they are just another member of the family and human race. :mornincoffee:

Just look at all of the dogs and cats who live here in The Villages. I am sure people do not wash their hands after petting them and we all are alive and kicking.

Let us, after reading my link below, discuss girl cooties. Do you think you can get them?

Dogs | Healthy Pets Healthy People | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/pets/dogs.html)

[Fredster]

Just look at all of the dogs and cats who live here in The Villages. I am sure people do not wash their hands after petting them and we all are alive and kicking.

Let us, after reading my link below, discuss girl cooties. Do you think you can get them?

Dogs | Healthy Pets Healthy People | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/pets/dogs.html)

Gracie, thanks your link adds credence to the
post you responded to!

[graciegirl]

Gracie, thanks your link adds credence to the
post you responded to!

Here is another medical difficulty as we age. Some of us do not uptake serotonin, a brain chemical, like we used to and it can lead to excessive worry.

[Fredster]

Here is another medical difficulty as we age. Some of us do not uptake serotonin, a brain chemical, like we used to and it can lead to excessive worry.

What me worry! 😋

[tomwed]

Here is another medical difficulty as we age. Some of us do not uptake serotonin, a brain chemical, like we used to and it can lead to excessive worry.I wasn't worried about serotonin uptake until now.

[CFrance]

They handle and sell unwrapped baguettes in France as well. I have watched them prepare food in exclusive restaurants in Paris, Nice and Bordeaux, arranging salads with their bare hands, perhaps wiping their hands on their aprons every once in a while, but not washing them or wearing hygiene gloves as most in food preparation now do in the US. People there see to have the sniffles a lot in winter...

I've eaten in tons of restos all over France with dogs in attendance, and even repeatedly in one of our favorites with the owner's cat in my lap.

Never got the sniffles from eating a baguette or in a restaurant either. I don't know where you got your information. Our baguettes come in a bag or with a square of paper wrapped around the middle, and the server doesn't touch the bread. I think we're using too much hand sanitizer in the US and our immunities are diminished.

Except for twice from an airplane going to Italy, I haven't had a cold since 1992, after which I started taking a multi vitamin/mineral supplement.

[PennBF]

It is unbelievable how many intelligent people elect to ignore good sanitary conditions when it comes to animals.
Yes I have worked in France and have seen the most outrages health practices , have lived on a farm and was taught to treat animals like they should be treated and honored and respected which did not include pretending they are human which is a form of disrespect to them. Taking a dog to the town Squares is both disrespectable to the animals and the other residents who don't love "Fido" as you do. Should you love and treat your pet well, of course, does that mean acting like them or being obsessive or being abusive to them of course not. It would do well for those who have a difficult time understanding dogs to spend time on a good working farm and find out what they are really like and how they don't need you to try to convert them to humans. :mornincoffee:

[Polar Bear]

I'm tired of hearing it...gotta vent...

The folks who think those who love a dog and consider it a canine part of the family are also treating it like a human don't have a clue.

Some owners might. But most are simply treating their dog like a dog...a dog they consider a family member and friend that they enjoy spending time with. Big difference.

[Nucky]

I'm tired of hearing it...gotta vent...

The folks who think those who love a dog and consider it a canine part of the family are also treating it like a human don't have a clue.

Some owners might. But most are simply treating their dog like a dog...a dog they consider a family member and friend that they enjoy spending time with. Big difference.

The company of a dog for many people is all they have and sometimes even if they have human company in their lives the dog's company is way better. :oops: You are on the money Polar Bear.

[Two Bills]

We had dogs for years when the kids were younger, but now we travel a lot, do not have one.
Our dogs were always treated as dogs, knew their place in our pack, (bottom of the pecking order) and were as 'Happy as Larry,' and never confused about their status.
My only other observation if you travel with your dog, is keep them close when eating in Vietnamese/Korean restaurants!

[daca55]

IMO this dog thing is out of control. People are bringing dogs everywhere. I see them in restaurants, church, squares, stores and everyplace people go. At the St Pattys parade in SS I even saw a dog in the public restroom. It's not the dog it's the owners attitude that because they love their dog everyone else has to love them. Leave your poor dog at home. They will be fine. I also don't understand dog owners who walk their dogs and allow them to do their business on everyone's lawn. Why can't they let the dog go on their lawn? No they go on other people's lawns. My lawn has lots of brown spots and I bet their lawn looks like something in Home and Gardens. Please curb your dog. I love dogs as I have had several. Just looking for some respect.

[banjobob]

I have owned dogs for most of my 77 years some were big English Sheepdogs other were tiny lap dogs and never did I feel the dogs wanted to go to" town"
those that do take them to people events are not making them happy, and how ignorant to take your pet to dinner with you , and the scam some do about being a service ,to me pets have their place at home and family events only.

[Psa1000]

I am a dog owner of a beautiful sweet labradoodle that we keep groomed monthly. I do take her for rides on my golf cart but do not take her into the squares because I can never know if she will need to do her business there. That is my main reason to avoid the crowds. That should be reason enough.


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[Maureen1]

My 16 & 1/2 year old Maltese goes out with us all of the time. He is more stressed being left home alone after losing his brother than going out with us. I have a buggy, blanket, fan, ice, treats, etc. I would prefer to leave him home at times but at his age if he wants to come with us and I can do it, then I will. So glad that it’s dog friendly here!

[graciegirl]

The company of a dog for many people is all they have and sometimes even if they have human company in their lives the dog's company is way better. :oops: You are on the money Polar Bear.

What Nucky said.

SMART MAN, NUCKY!!!!!

[OhioBuckeye]

You know I know some people love their dogs as much as some people do their own kids, but to drag a dog to the square to show your dog off or whatever the reason, does the dog really know why they are there do they really care if they are there. I would be afraid to have my dog step on & if it were a bigger dog I would also be afraid if the dog got step on, it would bite. Yes I know most big dog owners would say, "Oh my dog wouldn't bite anyone". Just leave your dog home for a couple of hrs. if that not possible stay home yourself, you wanted a pet so don't punish a dog that probably doesn't want to be there anyway. Just don't want to sound mean, just trying to feel how a dog must feel. I've had lots of dogs, but I won't get another because I just don't want to be a slave to my pet, it's not fair to the dog for me not to be there with it just because I wanted it.

[Psa1000]

I am a dog owner of a beautiful sweet labradoodle that we keep groomed monthly. I do take her for rides on my golf cart but do not take her into the squares because I can never know if she will need to do her business there. That is my main reason to avoid the crowds. That should be reason enough.


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I agree that a dog is the best companion you could ever own. Enjoy them as they are really a gift. Judge their behavior and act accordingly. I would like there to be an easier way to bring them south instead of such a long drive. Airplanes should offer a later time flight for people with pets which would solve the problem of flying under a false pretense of companion dogs. In actuality all pets are a companion or we wouldn’t need them.



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[Psa1000]

Just Something to think about.
Some folks lost there significant other and a dog is there only companion.
As a prior dog owner they become your family and some people here that live alone, that may be there only family.
Just something to consider.



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[Psa1000]

You know I know some people love their dogs as much as some people do their own kids, but to drag a dog to the square to show your dog off or whatever the reason, does the dog really know why they are there do they really care if they are there. I would be afraid to have my dog step on & if it were a bigger dog I would also be afraid if the dog got step on, it would bite. Yes I know most big dog owners would say, "Oh my dog wouldn't bite anyone". Just leave your dog home for a couple of hrs. if that not possible stay home yourself, you wanted a pet so don't punish a dog that probably doesn't want to be there anyway. Just don't want to sound mean, just trying to feel how a dog must feel. I've had lots of dogs, but I won't get another because I just don't want to be a slave to my pet, it's not fair to the dog for me not to be there with it just because I wanted it.



I agree and ALL dogs will bite if they are threatened or are being territorial.


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[Abby10]

The company of a dog for many people is all they have and sometimes even if they have human company in their lives the dog's company is way better. :oops: You are on the money Polar Bear.

Back in the day, when my husband would come home from work he used to ask why is it the only one that faithfully greets him, and with such joy and excitement, was the family dog.

Nucky, your post reminds me of the saying that family dogs are so special, even if you were to accidentally lock him/her in the trunk of the car, when you open the trunk your beloved pet would just be happy to see you as always. Try that with your beloved spouse. :D

Disclaimer: NOT suggesting anyone try this - with dog OR spouse!

[airstreamingypsy]

The only thing worse than taking dogs to the squares is the non stop whining and complaining. This is a weekly discussion either here, on facebook or the **************. Don't you people ever get tiring of whining and complaining? people will still do what they want, you aren't changing anything.

[mclancy-1@comcast.net]

Amen!!

[Emmakrock@yahoo.com]

My dog is now gone but suffered from severe anxiety when left alone. I didn’t take her to restaurants but I did take her to the square. HShe loved it. I would take her in her stroller to events where there was lots of people to protect her. I always carried water for her. She never lit a cigarette outside the square to force others to walk through it to get in. This is suppose to be a dog friendly place is one of the reasons we moved here. We loved her dearly. She was our family. She never ran out in the square to dance not looking where she was going almost tripping older folks. She never whined and cried when she didn’t get her way.I love seeing people with their grandchildren , I never complain about it even when they cry or throw tantrums when I’m eating.so I think those who complain about our pets here should be quiet and quit judging others... you sound like a bunch of old people. Please find something else do

[goodtimesintv]

My dog is now gone but suffered from severe anxiety when left alone. I didn’t take her to restaurants but I did take her to the square. HShe loved it. I would take her in her stroller to events where there was lots of people to protect her. I always carried water for her. She never lit a cigarette outside the square to force others to walk through it to get in. This is suppose to be a dog friendly place is one of the reasons we moved here. We loved her dearly. She was our family. She never ran out in the square to dance not looking where she was going almost tripping older folks. She never whined and cried when she didn’t get her way.I love seeing people with their grandchildren , I never complain about it even when they cry or throw tantrums when I’m eating.so I think those who complain about our pets here should be quiet and quit judging others... you sound like a bunch of old people. Please find something else do

I understand what you're saying and agree it's nice to be able to take one's dog to the squares. But I think the original statement was to the effect that many dog owners here do not protect their dog as you did with a stroller; AND, they do not protect other people from potential dog fights or biting under stress, because....

A good portion of owners here overestimate their "perfect" dog's training and ability to stay peaceful and not attack when stressed by crowding and noisy, maybe pushy, public crowds and other less obedient/unsafe dogs.

Not everyone's dog is predictable when they spy other aggressive or untrained dogs and humanoids.

[graciegirl]

In about ten days the squares won't be as busy as they have been during high season. I hope that people in my neighborhood will continue to walk their dogs so I can see them and pet them once in awhile. We have a new puppy one street over. Cute as Christmas.

[Fredster]

My dog is now gone but suffered from severe anxiety when left alone. I didn’t take her to restaurants but I did take her to the square. HShe loved it. I would take her in her stroller to events where there was lots of people to protect her. I always carried water for her. She never lit a cigarette outside the square to force others to walk through it to get in. This is suppose to be a dog friendly place is one of the reasons we moved here. We loved her dearly. She was our family. She never ran out in the square to dance not looking where she was going almost tripping older folks. She never whined and cried when she didn’t get her way.I love seeing people with their grandchildren , I never complain about it even when they cry or throw tantrums when I’m eating.so I think those who complain about our pets here should be quiet and quit judging others... you sound like a bunch of old people. Please find something else do

Dogs are ok, in my book, but dog owners lack common sense sometimes. It’s one thing to have to listen to a child crying while eating.
But did you ever have a dog poop in front of you while you dining on the veranda of Panera...not too appetizing.
Had that wonderful experience twice!
Ive seen many people use the town square as dog parks.
The dogs are not at fault it’s the inconsiderate owners!
Plus comparing granchildren to dogs is not a valid comparison, based on numbers alone!

[Barborv]

I agree. There's a time and place to bring your dog out to places. Unless they're service dogs, don't torture them, especially in the heat.Go to the dog parks for them to run around and have fun! (But not in the high heat)!! I didn't mean you " should" torture service dogs! LOL I have 4 dogs so I do LOVE dogs!!

[600th Photo Sq]

I think that The Villages should provide an area adjacent to the Town Squares where folks with Cat's, can feel comfortable without fear of them being attacked by dogs. In my case I have a Cat and Parrot ..

All Cat owners let's be United in this.

PS: I try to do all my shopping around his " Nap " times just so he doesn't get lonely.

[Bowtorc]

GIVE IT A REST!!!! Dogs are more adaptable than people to surroundings. They need water in hot weather and how do you think dogs working in hot weather like herding and hunting dogs? AND they love doing their jobs. I agree that owners need to be respectable of others but dogs love being with their owners, leave them alone.

[graciegirl]

I think that The Villages should provide an area adjacent to the Town Squares where folks with Cat's, can feel comfortable without fear of them being attacked by dogs. In my case I have a Cat and Parrot ..

All Cat owners let's be United in this.

PS: I try to do all my shopping around his " Nap " times just so he doesn't get lonely.

I asked our kitties and they said...........Are you kidding me? I don't want people looking at me unless they are bowing and serving me.:shrug:

[Psa1000]

Just Something to think about.
Some folks lost there significant other and a dog is there only companion.
As a prior dog owner they become your family and some people here that live alone, that may be there only family.
Just something to consider.



Yes, definitely.


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[Psa1000]

Yes, definitely.


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Well this has come down to the following - if you are a dog lover -which I am - you can never be convinced that your dog is a problem to others. If it is NOT illegal to walk your dog in public along the public portion of property then this can continue. If there are no laws against bringing your dogs to the squares as your companion, this too will continue. The only thing that will happen is continuous complaints by individuals that do NOT like animals and they have that right. There should also be some type of penalty if pets are not picked up after and pets should also not be walked on any private property. RESPECT OF EACH OTHER IS KEY.


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[kencam]

Exactly... Dogs have feelings too !!!

[ColdNoMore]

Fluffy isn't nearly as excited or thrilled about being stepped on or trampled...as you may think she is.


If there is a crowd or an event, fer cripes sake...leave her at home. :oops:

[CFrance]

Well this has come down to the following - if you are a dog lover -which I am - you can never be convinced that your dog is a problem to others. If it is NOT illegal to walk your dog in public along the public portion of property then this can continue. If there are no laws against bringing your dogs to the squares as your companion, this too will continue. The only thing that will happen is continuous complaints by individuals that do NOT like animals and they have that right. There should also be some type of penalty if pets are not picked up after and pets should also not be walked on any private property. RESPECT OF EACH OTHER IS KEY.


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And considering the fact that this subject has been debated ad nauseum in the past, to no conclusion, I do believe someone was trying to start something.

[Psa1000]

And considering the fact that this subject has been debated ad nauseum in the past, to no conclusion, I do believe someone was trying to start something.



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[PennBF]

These string of notes speak for themselves and should highlight how outrages a lot of dog owners are. Yesterday I went to the mail boxes and a guy was walking two large dogs and allowing them to use the area as a "toliet". Disgusting. I see a couple of owners in our area walk their dogs on the neighbors lawns and use them as toliets. Or the little child at the square crying as they were afraid of the dogs so the dogs took over the area while the child had to leave. Or how about the owner or renter who forces their dog on the neighbors by allowing them to bark or every time they see the neighbor they insist they admire the dog.
Condo Boards biggest issues are the 3 "P's", Pools, Poop and Pooches" I know as I was once President of a large Condo and you could always count on one of those being on the agenda.. A main issue was the dog owner's not considering the other property owner's when it came to the dogs vs the respect for other owners. Yes we had a dog for many (13) years and hopefully we never acted like some of the irresponsible dog owners I have seen in the area.:(

[graciegirl]

And considering the fact that this subject has been debated ad nauseum in the past, to no conclusion, I do believe someone was trying to start something.

I don't think it was someone trying to start something. The OP is a very kind, and nice person, who is enjoying life in The Villages and was probably only musing about dogs in the squares. I have never heard him speak against pets.

We have a lot of pets in The Villages. I think that is so for a lot of reasons. Many people live alone for one, and the other is that many of us have always had dogs or cats and enjoy them. Most people who live here are responsible. Sometimes people who visit only, are in a vacation mode and forget that many people call this place home year 'round.

In a week or two, the population will drop all over Florida and the nine month "normal" will return. We love our visitors and we love when traffic drops.

Me and mine. We like pups and are owned by two kitties. It would be so much easier cleaning without them, but they are very loved....not as much as our children, but for Pete's sake don't tell them.

[CFrance]

I don't think it was someone trying to start something. The OP is a very kind, and nice person, who is enjoying life in The Villages and was probably only musing about dogs in the squares. I have never heard him speak against pets.

We have a lot of pets in The Villages. I think that is so for a lot of reasons. Many people live alone for one, and the other is that many of us have always had dogs or cats and enjoy them. Most people who live here are responsible. Sometimes people who visit only, are in a vacation mode and forget that many people call this place home year 'round.

In a week or two, the population will drop all over Florida and the nine month "normal" will return. We love our visitors and we love when traffic drops.

Me and mine. We like pups and are owned by two kitties. It would be so much easier cleaning without them, but they are very loved....not as much as our children, but for Pete's sake don't tell them.
I have met the OP and agree with you. But this is not OP's first weigh-in on the topic. Enough with calling people out for taking their dogs out with them, already. I don't believe anyone in TV would willingly submit his or her dog to something that made it fearful or anxious. You don't know people's pets unless you've walked a mile in their paws.

[EdFNJ]

I love dogs ... but frankly the obsession with them here is amazing.

We were looking for a REAL BAKERY but I have only found (so far) 3 DOG BAKERIES! I understand dogs are companions but what some people do to their poor dogs is beyond imagination. Do dogs really need a new outfit every day? Do they need to wear sneakers? Hats? Shorts? Be in $400 baby carriages? You can love your dog but dressing him up like you would your infant child for Halloween is really (IMO) strange! While this photo may seem like a "one off" we see similar every day. Yea, it's ADORABLE but still. REALLY? It almost seems like animal abuse.


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[Barefoot]

..... most are simply treating their dog like a dog...a dog they consider a family member and friend that they enjoy spending time with. Big difference. :agree:

My 16 & 1/2 year old Maltese goes out with us all of the time. He is more stressed being left home alone after losing his brother than going out with us. I have a buggy, blanket, fan, ice, treats, etc. I would prefer to leave him home at times but at his age if he wants to come with us and I can do it, then I will. So glad that it’s dog friendly here!:ho:

Don't you people ever get tiring of whining and complaining? people will still do what they want, you aren't changing anything. Exactly.

GIVE IT A REST!!!! ..... I agree that owners need to be respectful of others but dogs love being with their owners, leave them alone. :mademyday:

RESPECT OF EACH OTHER IS KEY.
:agree:

Enough with calling people out for taking their dogs out with them, already. I don't believe anyone in TV would willingly submit his or her dog to something that made it fearful or anxious. You don't know people's pets unless you've walked a mile in their paws. Well said.

[Barefoot]

It almost seems like animal abuse.


https://s7.postimg.org/u38pxe0e3/IMG_2275.jpg
I wouldn't dress my dog up, but others like to do it. This dog looks healthy and cared for to me.
If you think this dog is abused, you've never seen a shivering starving dog that is terrified of another beating.

[graciegirl]

Caring about furry family is a good thing. Here is our Mikey who is seventeen.

[Barefoot]

Caring about furry family is a good thing. Here is our Mikey who is seventeen.Our Himalayan cat lived to be 20. Some cats live even longer.
I hope that Mikey has many more healthy years!

[tjasc1411]

For those of you who don't like dogs, put your spouse and the dog in the trunk of your car and drive around for a while. When you open the trunk, see which one is happy to see you. Unconditional LOVE.

[CFrance]

Caring about furry family is a good thing. Here is our Mikey who is seventeen.
Gorgeous guy! May he have a long life ahead of him.:BigApplause:

[600th Photo Sq]

This Dog Must Be from one of two places .... San Francisco or New Orleans...... Totally Insane to outfit a Dog like that....

[graciegirl]

We all need time for ourselves .. - Moments and Memories . (https://www.facebook.com/momentsandmemoriesforever/videos/1907287965979614/?hc_ref=ARQbAt0s4ar0TCQBFVBzNysd03Gsx3cFBvxjPZmBZ2 lXCeN_N3ERW9S2Jy4dXBUt1-8&pnref=story)

This makes me calm and happy every time I look at it.

[CFrance]

We all need time for ourselves .. - Moments and Memories . (https://www.facebook.com/momentsandmemoriesforever/videos/1907287965979614/?hc_ref=ARQbAt0s4ar0TCQBFVBzNysd03Gsx3cFBvxjPZmBZ2 lXCeN_N3ERW9S2Jy4dXBUt1-8&pnref=story)

This makes me calm and happy every time I look at it.
Aww!!

[EdFNJ]

I wouldn't dress my dog up, but others like to do it. This dog looks healthy and cared for to me.
If you think this dog is abused, you've never seen a shivering starving dog that is terrified of another beating.


I see shivering and starving dogs on TV all the time. I never said that dog was not healthy or was starved but dressing them like dolls (IMO) is ridiculous. Do you know if those sneakers hurt its feet? Or the sunglasses are the correct doggie prescription. He/She couldn't tell you. The money spent on the absurd dressing up of an animal only for the owners entertainment should be sent to care for those "shivering and starving" dogs who aren't lucky enough to be able to afford sneakers or hats or sunglasses or better yet be donated to an animal shelter to feed the "starving and shivering" animals.

Dressing a dog up like a Barbie Doll is absurd (IN MY OPINION). We all have our opinions and that is mine.

[New Englander]

I like others here have said we don't like dogs in the town squares when they are crowded. I also don't like people in my neighborhood bring their dog to my lawn to relieve itself.

Does this mean I don't like dogs? Heck no!! I love dogs. I had my Chow Chow for 16 years. Our family loved that dog.

We never brought our dog into a crowded situation or let it go on a neighbors lawn. Does this mean I don't like animals? To some people I think it does.

[Abby10]

My initial response on this thread was directed toward bringing dogs to crowded venues, which I believe was the subject of the OP. How this thread got to be an attack on dogs being in any public place is beyond me. It almost seems some on here would prefer to ban all dogs in all public places, confining them to only their own homes and yards. :shrug:

Not every pet owner is an irresponsible pet owner. My initial concern was of safety at crowded venues - for both people and animals. But as one poster rightly put it - it's all about respect. If your dog can be contained in one's lap, or stroller, or whatever, I don't understand why being in a crowded venue is an issue. I would have a concern about a leashed dog though, which especially when lying down may be overlooked and could end up to be a tripping hazard. I say this because I have witnessed this happening before. People in public places are not always apt to look down when they are moving around. If the venue is not a crowded one it may not be as much of a problem.

Just my 2 cents.....and what I thought the OP was trying to address - crowded events, not dogs in public in general.

[Barefoot]

The money spent on the absurd dressing up of an animal only for the owners entertainment should be sent to care for those "shivering and starving" dogs who aren't lucky enough to be able to afford sneakers or hats or sunglasses or better yet be donated to an animal shelter to feed the "starving and shivering" animals.
Good idea! :highfive:

[CFrance]

Good idea! :highfive:
Yep!:thumbup:

[PennBF]

When I was in school my parents took in children that were in need. They did not charge anyone for their care but instead we were told (there were 4 of us kids) that we were to treat them as our family. We had as many as 3 kids at a time and some sent us birthday cards and Christmas cards signed as your brother. My parents were successful in getting a number of them into "Boys Town" which was a terrific place as they sent two reps to pick them up but first they took them to the best clothing stores in town, completely outfitted them as no child went into Boys Town with their head hung low. My point is that maybe some would want to think of the many homeless children and their needs when spending loads of money on a pet. It doesn't mean to not have a pet but to maybe help those in desperate need and keep things in balance in life. We never had a disappointment with all of the children. :ho:

[CFrance]

When I was in school my parents took in children that were in need. They did not charge anyone for their care but instead we were told (there were 4 of us kids) that we were to treat them as our family. We had as many as 3 kids at a time and some sent us birthday cards and Christmas cards signed as your brother. My parents were successful in getting a number of them into "Boys Town" which was a terrific place as they sent two reps to pick them up but first they took them to the best clothing stores in town, completely outfitted them as no child went into Boys Town with their head hung low. My point is that maybe some would want to think of the many homeless children and their needs when spending loads of money on a pet. It doesn't mean to not have a pet but to maybe help those in desperate need and keep things in balance in life. We never had a disappointment with all of the children. :ho:
I think you will find that many pet owners with disposable income volunteer/donate in many ways. My big thing has always supporting organizations that fight hunger, through work and donations. Others use their skills in education, helping the disabled, etc. It's a wonderful thing your parents did, and it obviously set a great example to you and your siblings.

I need a pet in my life. I have never been without a pet, ever. It's not a farm animal, and its only job is to be my and my spouse's companion. I will always have a pet in my life, and I will support that pet financially in whatever way I can. I will not dress him up, and I try (but mostly fail) not to anthropomorphize him.

I'm thankful that we have the means in our family to work/donate/support people and children in need, our own pet, our foster pets, and animal shelters. In that order.

And I will take our dog wherever it's permitted to do so, if I feel it would be safe for him and something he would enjoy doing. He's 85 pounds and gets hot easily, so that doesn't happen too often. But I will oppose anyone, no matter how much I appreciate that person, who gripes about it. If they're that opposed, they should work to change the rules of TV or the pet laws.

I know, :blahblahblah:. I think I'm done!

[graciegirl]

When I was in school my parents took in children that were in need. They did not charge anyone for their care but instead we were told (there were 4 of us kids) that we were to treat them as our family. We had as many as 3 kids at a time and some sent us birthday cards and Christmas cards signed as your brother. My parents were successful in getting a number of them into "Boys Town" which was a terrific place as they sent two reps to pick them up but first they took them to the best clothing stores in town, completely outfitted them as no child went into Boys Town with their head hung low. My point is that maybe some would want to think of the many homeless children and their needs when spending loads of money on a pet. It doesn't mean to not have a pet but to maybe help those in desperate need and keep things in balance in life. We never had a disappointment with all of the children. :ho:

That is a beautiful thing to share. I remember my aunts talking about our grandparents "taking in" friends from school sometimes for quite long stays. I imagine it was a good person's good works before we had social workers and welfare.

I think I understand your point about pets. People often dress their children in expensive clothes and don't spend TIME with them. Our values are very individual. Some people quietly do kind and wonderful things and keep making this old world a better place. Your heart is good Penn. A pleasure to know you on this forum.

[Nucky]

Had to get out the dictionary there CFrance. That word was a whopper! Got it now! Carry on. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[CFrance]

Had to get out the dictionary there CFrance. That word was a whopper! Got it now! Carry on. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
!!:D
And I hope you get your next pup soon, Nucky.

[Barefoot]

I will not dress him up, and I try (but mostly fail) not to anthropomorphize him.
You and R do a lot to help out people in the surrounding communities.

As far as dogs go, in the past few years, you and R have given one dear old golden sanctuary until he passed.
And you fostered another older golden until he was adopted.

You can anthropomorphize Crosby all you want! :highfive: