SHAME on TV, Shame Shame

[Kahuna32162]

We went to the March for our Lives in LSL today, very disappointed the TV entertainment dept could not even be bothered to provide a microphone and PA for the brave students from the charter school who spoke out with emotion and passion.

Also, why did the Sumter County Sheriffs deny any further access to the square after the rally had begun. All roads into LSL were closed with barricades for no reason.

[manaboutown]

Moderator: POLITICAL!

[billethkid]

Ask the retailers in Lake Sumter Landing how they feel about their revenue being cut off.

Protests done right are fine.

Protests that disrupt and even interfere with the lives/livelihoods of others is not right....matters not where one lies with the issue(s).

The protestors are responsible for their own amplification.
It would be good to know what the police knew to shut the square down before dispensing/requesting shaming TV/police!!

[Steve9930]

We went to the March for our Lives in LSL today, very disappointed the TV entertainment dept could not even be bothered to provide a microphone and PA for the brave students from the charter school who spoke out with emotion and passion.

Also, why did the Sumter County Sheriffs deny any further access to the square after the rally had begun. All roads into LSL were closed with barricades for no reason.

Its called security. I'm sure the sheriff was making sure no one got hurt from some nut case. As for the march these students are being used. This was a perfect place for some nut job to do something really bad.

[Bogie Shooter]

Its called security. I'm sure the sheriff was making sure no one got hurt from some nut case. As for the march these students are being used. This was a perfect place for some nut job to do something really bad.

Who is using “these students”?

[billethkid]

Moderator: POLITICAL!

BS...political!!

It is a current event here in TV that we have the right to speak about and discuss without somebody waving the political flag.....even in jest!

[jane032657]

There was a threat by someone in the other paper that it would be a good place for target practice. Thus the police presence. There were also undercover police there.

[Daddymac]

So we attack the people who are fighting for the second amendment.
Trying to shut them down.
Using the First Amendment to do it.
If you do not see something wrong with that, look deeper

[Taltarzac725]

Parkland students have raised $3.7 million in 3 days. Here's how they'll spend it - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/us/iyw-march-for-our-lives-gofundme-trnd/index.html)

This is funded by celebrities and concerned individuals from all walks of life. It is not a Soros gimmick.

Sorry that the Villages were not more accommodating to the students by providing a microphone and the like. I expect they were close by because of the bands which play there in the evenings.

[Steve9930]

It was interesting to watch the one student who has been out front of this (Media Poster Child) complaining about how his 1st Amendment Rights were being abused by the School because of having all students use transparent back packs. Seems he has no problem promoting stepping on others 2nd Amendment Rights. He's got one potty mouth also. Is there a problem, Yes. Do the Students have a legitimate complaint, Yes. Sandy Hook should have been the first and last of these incidents. Should children be making policy, No. This is being taken care of and this is not going to end well should this approach continue. The NRA is not the devil. If this continues it will do nothing more then have two camps shouting at each other. You cannot demonized either side. What everyone better understand however is there are forces here that are far, far left pushing an agenda and they have no shame about using these kids to promote it. Changes have been made, now lets see how that works.

[Taltarzac725]

I am very proud of these students exercising their First Amendment rights.

As for the Second Amendment rights of hunters, homeowners defending their property, and the various State National Guards acting as militias; those are other matters. Maybe we should look at the actual intent of the Founding Fathers when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. I seriously doubt they would have wanted the citizens of the US using battlefield ready weapons on one another.

One gun taken out of the hands of a potential school, movie theater, church, concert, etc., shooter is a very good thing. Many are better. And laws always have law breakers; that is why we need laws.

[Vikingjunior]

Many more school kids die from drug overdoses than guns I wonder why these kids are not as passionate about the opioid epidemic.

[Taltarzac725]

Many more school kids die from drug overdoses than guns I wonder why these kids are not as passionate about the opioid epidemic.

Probably because using drugs is a choice; getting shot is not.

[Daddymac]

I am very proud of these students exercising their First Amendment rights.

As for the Second Amendment rights of hunters, homeowners defending their property, and the various State National Guards acting as militias; those are other matters. Maybe we should look at the actual intent of the Founding Fathers when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. I seriously doubt they would have wanted the citizens of the US using battlefield ready weapons on one another.

One gun taken out of the hands of a potential school, movie theater, church, concert, etc., shooter is a very good thing. Many are better. And laws always have law breakers; that is why we need laws.
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Not true. Number one, the founders would have wanted us to have AR-15s because the fact is that back in the day, all the weapons people had were military-grade weapons. A musket was a military grade weapon. Now, AR-15s aren’t even military-grade.

[billethkid]

So we can all get on the same page....just what is "...a military style gun..."?
And we should also get very specific with terms. Rifle? Pistol? Gun? Automatic? Semi-automatic? Single action? Double action? Where would the myriad of shot guns fit?

There are far too many arm chair advocates, media types, students, politicians, hollywood-ites who are moving their jaws without having the faintest idea of what they are talking about.

There will be no progress until such time as folks understand what is being discussed.
Until the same folks understand why the laws on the books are not being enforced.
Why do they think any mew laws will be enforced? Or be any more effective than the current laws?

Any takers on how much progress is made by one year from today?
Just look back in time and review what was said. What was deemed had to happen? And compare it to what has been done.

Does nothing have a familiar sound?

[Daddymac]

We Don’t have a GUN PROBLEM, We have a mental health problem.

[Taltarzac725]

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Not true. Number one, the founders would have wanted us to have AR-15s because the fact is that back in the day, all the weapons people had were military-grade weapons. A musket was a military grade weapon. Now, AR-15s aren’t even military-grade.

A musket is a far cry from any weapon being used by school shooters. None of them would take a musket to shoot up a school.

I have a pretty good idea that the Founding Father would not want AR-15s on our streets. Because they are battlefield weapons.

[Taltarzac725]

So we can all get on the same page....just what is "...a military style gun..."

That should be determined by how the weapon is used. The facts in these various school shootings for instance. What kind of guns did these murderers chose to slay, maim and injure their fellow human beings? Not muskets.

[graciegirl]

Some of us are just not into marching and protesting to get things done.

I am almost eighty and I can't think of any march or protest that changed the minds of large groups of people. Usually it just makes people angry.

We all know the make up of The Villages is largely traditional people. I doubt many villagers EVER marched or demonstrated in their whole lives.

We know how Gary Morse felt politically, because he gave money to the party of his choice. I feel it is highly likely that Jennifer, Mark and Tracey do not want to make any kind of political statement. They have not invited anyone to speak at the squares for a long time.

I don't think the OP has a really good reason to be angry at The Villages. They are builders, not activists.

ANd just because you think you're right doesn't mean you are.

[eweissenbach]

Some of us are just not into marching and protesting to get things done.

I am almost eighty and I can't think of any march or protest that changed the minds of large groups of people. Usually it just makes people angry. I respectfully remind you of the demonstrations and marches led by Martin Luther King which led to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and many other changes for the better IMO.

We all know the make up of The Villages is largely traditional people. I doubt many villagers EVER marched or demonstrated in their whole lives.

We know how Gary Morse felt politically, because he gave money to the party of his choice. I feel it is highly likely that Jennifer, Mark and Tracey do not want to make any kind of political statement. They have not invited anyone to speak at the squares for a long time.

I don't think the OP has a really good reason to be angry at The Villages. They are builders, not activists.

ANd just because you think you're right doesn't mean you are. Boy is that ever true!. ///

[kstew43]

We Don’t have a GUN PROBLEM, We have a mental health problem.

Exactly.....
:bigbow:

[vintageogauge]

I don't pay attention to protests, they have their rights but lately it seems they don't know what they are protesting about. When I see these kids it reminds me of Kent State and we all know what happened there and that's why preventative security is a necessity in today's environment. Now it's individuals and not the Guard that are a threat. As long as it doesn't interfere with my daily life they can protest all the want, when I see news coverage of these I just jump to another station. In my 71 years of life I have never protested anything, there are other ways of getting my point across.

[billethkid]

In the spirit of trying to educate those who associate the AR-15 as a military weapon PLEASE READ the following:

Modern Sporting Rifle - AR-15 platform-based rifles (https://www.nssf.org/msr/)

I am not intending to change anybody's mind about how or where this weapon or any of the hundreds that look just like it was used for good or bad.

My intention? Just because this SPORTING RIFLE looks like the assault weapon and weapon of choice of all the seal team, white house down, rambo movies.....it is not!!!!

Those uninformed or those who choose to ignore the difference, just like many gun issues will stick with what ever jargon suits their agenda.

The modern sporting rifle designated AR-15 is most certainly capable of being used as a weapon create mass casualties.....just like most other fire arms available today in the hands of a wigged out wack job can do.

The real issue behind the mass casualty incidents gets lost and overwhelmed in the gun bluster of the day. Hence....there will be no change in the results.

[ColdNoMore]

I respectfully remind you of the demonstrations and marches led by Martin Luther King which led to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and many other changes for the better IMO.


Yep.

It's hard for me to imagine, why anyone would be proud about NOT marching...for civil rights and trying to end sanctioned discrimination. :ohdear:



Not to mention those students who gave their lives, on American soil no less...to protest against the Vietnam War.

[Fredster]

Yep.

It's hard for me to imagine, why anyone would be proud about NOT marching...for civil rights and trying to end sanctioned discrimination. :ohdear:



Not to mention those students who gave their lives, on American soil no less...to protest against the Vietnam War.

You I assume, didn’t serve your country during that time?

[ColdNoMore]

You I assume, didn’t serve your country during that time?

Too young, but watched Walter every night in 66/67 as a 10 year old...hoping my Dad was still alive over there.

[Fredster]

We Don’t have a GUN PROBLEM, We have a mental health problem.

I believe you are 100% correct, but that area is ignored pretty much, because it might not serve a political agenda very well!

[Fredster]

Too young, but watched Walter every night in 66/67 as a 10 year old...hoping my dad was still alive over there.

Hope your dad made it out ok...
They still had the draft back then, and I hope we as a
country never put our service men & women in
such a situation and
then not support them!

[Kerry Azz]

We went to the March for our Lives in LSL today, very disappointed the TV entertainment dept could not even be bothered to provide a microphone and PA for the brave students from the charter school who spoke out with emotion and passion.

Also, why did the Sumter County Sheriffs deny any further access to the square after the rally had begun. All roads into LSL were closed with barricades for no reason.
I guess the people replying didn’t pay much attention to the news around the country today, LSL was small compared to the gatherings across the country. Did anyone notice that all the major cities had Sound systems set up for the young adults?
I agree shame on TV and the sheriffs department for the way they handled the event.the foolish remarks that this was a sponsored event only shows ignorance!

[DeanFL]

Wait until Shooter's World opens and if there are sit-ins - protests or such...

In my opinion students should be having marches against the Broward Co Sheriffs office and the FBI. THEY were truly the ones at fault and the reason the shooting happened.

Also in my opinion, the students have good intentions - BUT are truly being used to forward a political agenda. period. And when they are in college, it will continue in spades.

[Bucco]

Interesting thought just received......I simply offer. Nobody ever threatened the 2nd ammnment at any time.


"I carried an M-4 in the Afghanistan desert for almost a year. If you feel you need this or another weapon of war like it to protect your home; you need to re-evaluate the way you’re living your life & make fewer enemies. These have no place in civilian hands."

[Kerry Azz]

Yep.

It's hard for me to imagine, why anyone would be proud about NOT marching...for civil rights and trying to end sanctioned discrimination. :ohdear:



Not to mention those students who gave their lives, on American soil no less...to protest against the Vietnam War.
Some people just don’t have it in them to stand up for what they believe is right.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I am a gun owner and an NRA Member. Here what people need to understand about the AR-15 Platform. Its a very efficient weapon. I would not put it into the hands of an unsupervised 18 year old male. There are also some weapons that are just as efficient that should also not be put into the hands of an unsupervised 18 year old male. Last little tid bit. You can buy all the equipment you need to build your AR-15 from scratch, over the internet. It is not possible to remove his weapon from society.


First of all, 66% of all mass shooting have been committed with a handgun.

Secondly, if you are a gun owner, then you should know quite well that I can take my semi-automatic pistol with a 17+1 capacity and twenty magazines stuffed into my cargo shorts and kill as many people as someone with an AR-15.

I agree. It is not possible to remove most any weapon from society. It is certainly not possible to confiscate all of the guns in this country even if were constitutional to do so.

The answer to the problem of school shootings is to harden the targets by having trained, armed adults in the schools. One armed guard is not enough. Some of these schools are 300-499 yards across and three stories high. An armed guard could be very far away from an incident. We need several armed people on every floor in every building.

Secondly, law enforcement has to do a better job of identifying and reporting people that shouldn't have access to a gun. The Parkland shooter is a perfect example. That guy should have been on everyone's list. Instead, the sheriff's dept shielded him.

Thirdly, law-abiding gun owners need to be held responsible when their guns are used by an unauthorized party to commit a crime. The father of the kid who did the shooting in the Maryland school needs to be held accountable for allowing his kid to get hold of his gun.

Any talk of banning certain guns and making it more difficult for good, responsible, law-abiding citizens to get guns in order to protect themselves is nothing more than stirring the political pot.

And anyone who thinks that a bunch of fifteen-year-old kids have any idea about how to protect them in a school is sadly mistaken.
There are people in this world who are experts in law enforcement, security and protection. They are the ones that we should be listening to when it comes to protecting our children.

[EPutnam1863]

I am a gun owner and an NRA Member. Here what people need to understand about the AR-15 Platform. Its a very efficient weapon. I would not put it into the hands of an unsupervised 18 year old male. There are also some weapons that are just as efficient that should also not be put into the hands of an unsupervised 18 year old male. Last little tid bit. You can buy all the equipment you need to build your AR-15 from scratch, over the internet. It is not possible to remove his weapon from society.

What is the reason for owning an AR-15 in the first place?

[graciegirl]

Yep. :thumbup:


And to the person that thinks there should only be one side of the aisle allowed to live in TV (post#18)...I hear Russia works that way. :wave:

I don't recall anyone saying who SHOULD live in The Villages but it is easy to ascertain who DOES live in The Villages, the majority that is. We are all free to choose whether we want to live here or not. We are free to choose. Broward County has a population tilted the other way. No one said we had to live there either.

Most people become more moderate as they acquire more life experiences, and in many countries of the world, the older people are considered more wise.

Not any soul I have talked to since the shooting has not been sad and anxious over it. No thinking person wants any child ever to be in danger of being killed, especially at school. I think the issue is between what realistically can be done and what some people unrealistically wish could happen. It is obvious that drugs are illegal, but thousands of people, many very close to some of us have died from them.

I agree with Carl from Tampa in that we need to harden the target and if school teachers and administration feel comfortable learning how to use a gun than it should be allowed. It will cost us all a lot of money, and I don't think many will complain about it.

It is so sad to see the world change from mostly those who knew it is wrong to kill and to have children frightened in a place that should be safe.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Interesting thought just received......I simply offer. Nobody ever threatened the 2nd ammnment at any time.


"I carried an M-4 in the Afghanistan desert for almost a year. If you feel you need this or another weapon of war like it to protect your home; you need to re-evaluate the way you’re living your life & make fewer enemies. These have no place in civilian hands."

An M4 is a fully automatic weapon. The AR-15 is not. The AR-15 is not much different from many other rifles on the market today that are used for hunting and protection. An AR-15 was used to defend against three people breaking into a house in Texas recently.

Fully automatic rifles (assault rifles) are so heavily regulated in this country that they are in effect banned. There are very few of them in civilian hands.

[manaboutown]

Please take you meds!

When a debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser.

[manaboutown]

Some people just don’t have it in them to stand up for what they believe is right.

But most do.

[manaboutown]

I guess the people replying didn’t pay much attention to the news around the country today, LSL was small compared to the gatherings across the country. Did anyone notice that all the major cities had Sound systems set up for the young adults?
I agree shame on TV and the sheriffs department for the way they handled the event.the foolish remarks that this was a sponsored event only shows ignorance!

It was clearly funded. Wealthy extreme leftists funded the children's transportation, food and hotel rooms. I wonder who paid for the sound systems?

Unless they were 18 years of age or older they were children, not young adults. They were used as puppets by the far left.

[Kenswing]

"Clearly" I missed the thevstory about the funding being clear. I know at first the kids were attacked, but if you could give us the links or whatever to this specific funding AROUND THE WORLD, I, for one, would love to read it.

Thanking you in advance for the information.

Just one article.. Clooney, Oprah , Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg each ponied up a cool half million..

Clooney, Winfrey and Spielberg Donate Money for March Against Gun Violence - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/us/george-clooney-protest.html)

[fw102807]

Outside of getting a bunch of senior citizens all worked up what did they hope to accomplish by protesting in The Villages?

[Bucco]

Just one article.. Clooney, Oprah , Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg each ponied up a cool half million..

Clooney, Winfrey and Spielberg Donate Money for March Against Gun Violence - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/us/george-clooney-protest.html)

I am sure....I was surprised about folks like Eli Broad ho give a million, and as I said surprised at Kushner s brother who gave at least 50 grand. The funding was done through 501(c)(4) so names can be confidential, but that doesn't seem to qualify as extreme leftists as was said. Fact is, anything that is public is more the opposite.this my interest when I read the statement that seemed to imply nobody but extreme leftists gave money. This was international in scope

But you mentioned the Times, and I always thought theyjust lied and used fake news ������

[ColdNoMore]

While I'm thinking about it, can someone please explain why so many that become apoplectic about someone kneeling during the national anthem and claiming that they aren't respecting our country/government, are a lot of the same ones stockpiling guns & ammo...in case they need to fight our country/government. :confused:

[Kenswing]

While I'm thinking about it, can someone please explain why so many that become apoplectic about someone kneeling during the national anthem and claiming that they aren't respecting our country/government, are a lot of the same ones stockpiling guns & ammo...in case they need to fight our country/government. :confused:

You don't have to love your government to love your country..

There are few in our government that I respect.... On either side of the isle..

The government isn't our country, the people are.

[Bucco]

You don't have to love your government to love your country..

There are few in our government that I respect.... On either side of the isle..

I missed how respecting NFL players for the "initial" demonstrations (it became a thing then) was a symbol of my patriotism. When I served, words were just words...I actually served both military and once in civilian life. Never had any doubts about my patriotism, while I know guys who "talk a good game"

You are correct by the way, but I think you need to RESPECT

[golf2140]

I'm sure that the roads were blocked so an idiot didn't use a vehicle to hurt the protesters as has happened in the past. Good planning on the part of LEO.

[NoMoSno]

So will the squares now be available for all types of rallies, protests ?

[Big O]

All that has happened is that a few lefties have trolled a few old fart righties. Think about it. The lawmakers are never going to do anything, even if the other party takes control in 2019. They all feed from the same trough.

[Bogie Shooter]

So how do you think about professional wrestling? Is it real?