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Taltarzac725
04-04-2018, 08:18 AM
ESPN predictions about who will win the 2018 Masters (http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/23018091/espn-predictions-win-2018-masters)

Who do you think will get the Green Jacket this year?

I pick Rory McIlroy to win the 2018 Masters.

Masters 2018: Tiger Woods returns, but Dustin Johnson & Rory McIlroy eye Augusta success - BBC Sport (http://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/43629416)

My Post
04-04-2018, 09:14 AM
I'll take Jason Day at 20-1 and Rahm at 28-1.

This is like the Dayton 500. You pick the right winner you can really make some good loot.

jebartle
04-04-2018, 09:24 AM
Hope jordan gets putting problem worked out. Such a great kid!

billethkid
04-04-2018, 09:27 AM
Hopefully they give adequate coverage to the most likely and the first page of the leader board.

And not have to listen to the school girl like fawning announcers and endless hopeful talk, and how he did it 10 years ago coverage of you know who.

I would like to see Phil M. on the first page mixing it up with the up with the current greats in golf.

stan the man
04-04-2018, 09:36 AM
Hopefully they give adequate coverage to the most likely and the first page of the leader board.

And not have to listen to the school girl like fawning announcers and endless hopeful talk, and how he did it 10 years ago coverage of you know who.

I would like to see Phil M. on the first page mixing it up with the up with the current greats in golf.

I am hoping someone does not make the cut. Will be great watching sat and sun

PWPOTE2000
04-04-2018, 09:42 AM
Why would you say that. He is the greatest golfer of all time

T186021
04-04-2018, 10:02 AM
Would love to see Woods contend and win his 4 Green Jacket in a playoff with Day, Phil and Watson! The rating would be over the top, a comeback completed and the golf season would be thrown into chaos. Hopefully, the weather cooperates and this is a Masters to remember.

My Post
04-04-2018, 10:07 AM
Is it really a sport if Phil can win the Masters at this point though? I mean he is 47 years old and not even fit. There should be some parameters for things to be considered sport as opposed to events.

Polar Bear
04-04-2018, 10:46 AM
Is it really a sport if Phil can win the Masters at this point though? I mean he is 47 years old and not even fit. There should be some parameters for things to be considered sport as opposed to events.
You're kidding, right?!? :ohdear:

T186021
04-04-2018, 11:06 AM
Phil's job requires him to walk a 7000+ yard course 4 consecutive days, strike a golf ball 72 or fewer times each day, meet media and sponsor obligations. You have to be physically and mentally fit to complete that task. Now does he physically look like the 20-year-old players, no but those players have not achieved what Phil and other golfers have in this game.
How cool is it that a 50 yr old professional golfer can compete with a 20 yr old player or a golfer with a 16 handicap can compete with an 8 handicap golfer. That's 1 of the elements which makes golf a sport like no other.

My Post
04-04-2018, 11:13 AM
You have to be physically and mentally fit to complete that task.

So you consider John Daley to be an athlete then? And be physically fit??? Again, nice guy but I read his book. He doesn't consider HIMSELF to be an athlete!

Kenswing
04-04-2018, 11:23 AM
So you consider John Daley to be an athlete then? And be physically fit??? Again, nice guy but I read his book. He doesn't consider HIMSELF to be an athlete!
If you consider golf to be a sport, people that play it are by definition athletes..

"a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise."

Polar Bear
04-04-2018, 11:26 AM
So you consider John Daley to be an athlete then? And be physically fit??? Again, nice guy but I read his book. He doesn't consider HIMSELF to be an athlete!
He's the last person I'd ask.

My Post
04-04-2018, 11:35 AM
What about the reverse? The ballerina Misty Copeland is most certainly an athlete. But is ballet a sport? I'm just saying some activities that are difficult and require dexterity may not actually be sports. Surely a top level concert pianist or violinist would be considered an athlete by the criteria set for Mick in the previous pages post....

charliets
04-04-2018, 11:36 AM
Anybody but Tiger! Might be the best golfer ever but also one of the worst person ever, not just as a husband and father, which is well documented but as a person. So far haven’t been able to watch none of the coverage because of the Tiger obsession, hopefully he will miss the cut so they will move on and will be able to watch again.

tomwed
04-04-2018, 11:51 AM
I pick Justin Thomas to win. I'll be rooting for Tiger and Phil. I think golf is a game and not a sport because you only need to be able to walk to play the game as it is intended to be played. It's neither an aerobic or anaerobic activity. just an opinion, not a fact

Polar Bear
04-04-2018, 12:45 PM
Somebody better alert every sports broadcast and sports app in the world to remove golf!!

rjn5656
04-05-2018, 05:26 AM
I would like to see both Phil and Tiger on the leaderboard. It will get the young guns taking notice.

ColdNoMore
04-05-2018, 08:02 AM
I pick Justin Thomas to win.

I'll be rooting for Tiger and Phil.

I think golf is a game and not a sport because you only need to be able to walk to play the game as it is intended to be played. It's neither an aerobic or anaerobic activity. just an opinion, not a fact

While I'm going to have to go with Rahm or DJ for the win, along with Bubba... :agree: with the rest of your post. :thumbup:

Chi-Town
04-05-2018, 08:26 AM
I pick Justin Thomas to win. I'll be rooting for Tiger and Phil. I think golf is a game and not a sport because you only need to be able to walk to play the game as it is intended to be played. It's neither an aerobic or anaerobic activity. just an opinion, not a factA friend just got back from attending a practice round at the Masters and said that it is definitely a workout with the elevations and distance (7400 yards).

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tomwed
04-05-2018, 10:00 AM
A friend just got back from attending a practice round at the Masters and said that it is definitely a workout with the elevations and distance (7400 yards).

Sent from my VS995 using TapatalkIt's an old debate.

"The earliest appearance of the quip that QI has discovered was in a 1903 book about lawn tennis. The players of this sport are the traditional adversaries of golfers in the field of recreation. Individual chapters of this book were written by different authors. The author of the second chapter, H. S. Scrivener, attributed the saying to fellow players named the Allens. Boldface has been added to excerpts: 2

… my good friends the Allens … one of the best of their many excellent dicta is that “to play golf is to spoil an otherwise enjoyable walk.”

My Post
04-05-2018, 02:27 PM
Not a great day for Tiger so far. Could have been worse. I thought he was getting in real trouble when he sunk it off the tee on 12.

billethkid
04-05-2018, 03:00 PM
Not a great day for Tiger so far. Could have been worse. I thought he was getting in real trouble when he sunk it off the tee on 12.

One certainly would think he was the leader the way they covered him.

Plus 3 and they have a live telecast interview.....really....BS!
Completely ignoring all the others who are page one leaders.

Undeserved focus.

My Post
04-05-2018, 04:02 PM
Sergio carded a 13 and he isn't even in last!!!!! He put the ball in the water 5 times LOL.
God that must have taken forever. I mean he takes forever to get a 4.

GoodLife
04-05-2018, 04:36 PM
Amazing to hear the opinions of couch potatoes on whether golf pros are athletes or not. Not sure how many here have actually been to Augusta National, I was there last year, it is a workout just being a spectator. The elevation changes and hills you climb are not evident on TV. When you can carry 300 yards with your driver we'll talk.

RE: Tiger coverage. Get over it. He is a superstar, TV coverage is sold by ratings, Tiger boosts ratings.

MorTech
04-05-2018, 05:19 PM
What happened to Sergio Garcia - Ouch!...And he is going to have to stick around until Sunday as well.

Jordan Spieth will win...Every other tournament is just practice for The Masters for him :)

Francie
04-06-2018, 09:29 AM
I love watching these great players. Amazing skills and they are indeed athletes. You have to use a lot of strength, power and stamina to hit with the precision they do from every conceivable lie. Then, after that, to calm their breathing and adrenaline down to hit a precise putt is amazing. Witness the LPGA last weekend. 8 "overtime" holes to win! Anyway, would love to see Tony Finau win after that freak injury at the Par 3 contest when he hit a hole in one. Enjoy!

Polar Bear
04-06-2018, 09:41 AM
...RE: Tiger coverage. Get over it. He is a superstar, TV coverage is sold by ratings, Tiger boosts ratings.
The superstar, coverage, ratings part is spot on. But I think you need to get over it...not everybody likes it and they're allowed to say so.

GoodLife
04-06-2018, 09:53 AM
The superstar, coverage, ratings part is spot on. But I think you need to get over it...not everybody likes it and they're allowed to say so.

Of course they are allowed to not like it. I am also allowed to tell them to get over it, cuz it's not going to change as long as Tiger draws more eyeballs.

My Post
04-06-2018, 10:16 AM
Read an excerpt from the new Tiger book. He HATES Bill Clinton. Whole story is funny.........

Rapscallion St Croix
04-06-2018, 10:26 AM
As I write this, there are two players tied at 4 under and thirteen more within two shots. I want Kutcher to win, but I pick Patrick Reed although I do not like him at all.

John_W
04-06-2018, 10:34 AM
My favorite golfers are Jordan Spieth, Ricki Fowler, Henrik Stenson and Rory McIlroy. I like to see Henrik win, but if he can't then Jordan, and if not him, then Rory to complete his grand slam. I follow those four on twitter and Henrik is a funny guy. I like watching Tiger, especially if he's in the running.

Polar Bear
04-06-2018, 10:35 AM
Of course they are allowed to not like it. I am also allowed to tell them to get over it, cuz it's not going to change as long as Tiger draws more eyeballs.
Of course you are. You’re allowed to express your opinion that others shouldn’t express their opinion. Wait? What?!?

My Post
04-06-2018, 10:51 AM
There are only roughly 3 perfect games in putt putt golf every year. One of the better short films I've seen on ESPN. Check it out if you haven't.

GoodLife
04-06-2018, 11:03 AM
Of course you are. You’re allowed to express your opinion that others shouldn’t express their opinion. Wait? What?!?

Quote me where I said others should not express their opinion. "Get over it" does not mean you are not allowed to express your opinion.

Cambridge Dictionary:

get over something

to accept an unpleasant fact or situation after dealing with it for a while:
They’re upset that you didn’t call, but they’ll get over it.

Topspinmo
04-06-2018, 11:13 AM
I would like to see play off between Dustin, Tiger, and Phil. I best guess would be Henrik?

My Post
04-06-2018, 11:24 AM
Dustin trying to make his move right now as the Great One watches from the gallery.....Paulina, I'm talking about. She seems roughly as intelligent as a box of wood but WOW.

Polar Bear
04-06-2018, 11:56 AM
...Cambridge Dictionary:

get over something

to accept an unpleasant fact or situation after dealing with it for a while...
You do see the irony I hope.

tomwed
04-06-2018, 12:21 PM
Amazing to hear the opinions of couch potatoes on whether golf pros are athletes or not. Not sure how many here have actually been to Augusta National, I was there last year, it is a workout just being a spectator. The elevation changes and hills you climb are not evident on TV. When you can carry 300 yards with your driver we'll talk.

RE: Tiger coverage. Get over it. He is a superstar, TV coverage is sold by ratings, Tiger boosts ratings.Superstar? He's worth $740 million so he's not golfing for the income. He has suffered many injuries and keeps trying. Maybe that's how he is built, to overcome obstacles. I think he is responsible for the big purses which draws more athletes with exceptional hand and eye coordination and mental toughness.

Now I think he get's the eyeballs because he is an underdog with a fused back. Golfers know that the short game is within everyone's grasp and often determines the winner. He was trained on the shortest shots before working his way back to the tee. just an opinion, not a fact

My Post
04-06-2018, 12:29 PM
He is very successful with the ladies too which many viewers admire.

GoodLife
04-06-2018, 01:22 PM
You do see the irony I hope.

No. I see someone trying to put words in my mouth which were never uttered.

Fredman
04-06-2018, 03:27 PM
Looks like tiger isn’t going to win. Boo hoo I am soooooo sad

ColdNoMore
04-06-2018, 03:44 PM
Read an excerpt from the new Tiger book. He HATES Bill Clinton. Whole story is funny.........

Is that the book that's just a rehash from previous books, was written without ever talking to Tiger even once and even one of Clinton's former aides says the part about Tiger disrespecting Clinton...is fake news?

Yeah...I thought so. :rolleyes:

Tiger Woods' Reps Blast Claims in New Biography: 'Littered With Egregious Errors' | Fox News Insider (http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/03/tiger-woods-biography-causes-controversy-masters-return)

"The whole notion that Tiger was disrespectful toward the President is completely false," former Clinton aide Doug Band wrote.

Rapscallion St Croix
04-06-2018, 04:05 PM
Looks like tiger isn’t going to win. Boo hoo I am soooooo sad

I think he is trying to get the weekend off.

tomwed
04-06-2018, 04:25 PM
I think he is trying to get the weekend off.Sergio has to stick around for the ceremony/dinner. Does Tiger stick around because he won before? Maybe they could hang out--like old times.

or maybe Tiger will make the eagle

600th Photo Sq
04-06-2018, 05:23 PM
ESPN predictions about who will win the 2018 Masters (http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/23018091/espn-predictions-win-2018-masters)

Who do you think will get the Green Jacket this year?

I pick Rory McIlroy to win the 2018 Masters.

Masters 2018: Tiger Woods returns, but Dustin Johnson & Rory McIlroy eye Augusta success - BBC Sport (http://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/43629416)

Gotta love it. Woods 4+ over " Battling to beat the CUT...." Gotta love it, he's finished arrogant nasty jerk.

rustyp
04-07-2018, 04:55 PM
Watched The Masters refreshing to see such a class act. It was obvious the announcers were told to curb the Tiger talk today. Normally they would address featured groups without Tiger with such nonsense as this is where Tiger putted from today. Or other such nonsense as Tiger was above the hole here earlier today. Great to see everyone getting their due - after all they are all Masters. Here are some fun facts about the Masters which illustrates class is more important than commercial time:
Food prices are ridiculously low.
Tipping is banned.
Cell phones are prohibited at all times and cameras are not permitted during the tournament.
Only four minutes of commercials per hour are allowed during the broadcast and no blimps are allowed.
TV commentators are not allowed to refer to fans as "fans" or "spectators" They are to be called "patrons," and the rough is to be referred to as the "second cut."
Running is not allowed, unless you are a player.
Augusta is closed in the summer to keep the course in pristine shape.
You can go to jail for selling tickets. The course is insane about who it lets into the tournament and it's illegal to sell tickets within 2,700 feet of the gates.
You can only ask for autographs in one part of the course.

Nucky
04-07-2018, 05:34 PM
Hopefully Rory. Hopefully not you know who. Didn't know Bubba Clinton place golf??? Golf is the Greatest.

lanabanana73
04-07-2018, 06:31 PM
That was some really great golf, today! Can't wait for tomorrow.

dillywho
04-07-2018, 11:25 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed watching today. Great to see coverage of all the contenders and without the loudmouth idiots yelling "in the hole" every shot. I really hope to see the same coverage and "patron" decorum in the rest of the PGA season.

rustyp
04-08-2018, 06:20 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed watching today. Great to see coverage of all the contenders and without the loudmouth idiots yelling "in the hole" every shot. I really hope to see the same coverage and "patron" decorum in the rest of the PGA season.

I wouldn't hold your breath. The coverage at The Masters is dictated by the club not the networks or PGA. I rate this year's coverage as the best I've ever seen. FYI the Master's website carries live broadcast all day with no commercials. If you have not seen it take a look around the website. There are some great features. Example - if you click on a picture of a player you will see their scorecards right up to the hole they are on. On the scorecard some of the holes are shaded a tan color. Click on the tan boxes and a video of the player playing that hole comes up.

bagboy
04-08-2018, 08:21 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed watching today. Great to see coverage of all the contenders and without the loudmouth idiots yelling "in the hole" every shot. I really hope to see the same coverage and "patron" decorum in the rest of the PGA season.

The new commissioner Jay Monohan is in favor of the loud and boisterous crowds. He thinks it brings new patrons out to watch golf. I think overall this childish behavior is wearing thin with many of the pros.

Chi-Town
04-08-2018, 08:32 AM
Some fun.Masters info:


Food prices are ridiculously low.
Tipping is banned.


Cell phones are prohibited at all times and cameras are not permitted during the tournament.

It's one of the only places in the U.S. where there are long lines for payphones.

There's a huge fence around the course to keep out animals. There has been one deer sighting in the last 65 years.

Only four minutes of commercials per hour are allowed during the broadcast and no blimps are allowed.

TV commentators are not allowed to refer to fans as "fans" or "spectators" They are to be called "patrons," and the rough is to be referred to as the "second cut."

Players had to use local caddies provided by Augusta until 1983. Players are allowed to use their own caddies now, but they must wear the Augusta uniform — green hat, white jumpsuit.

Like many golf courses, there is good fishing at Augusta National, but the players don't like to talk about it because it is forbidden.

Fans, oops, we mean patrons, aren’t allowed to wear their hats backwards.
Patrons can bring collapsible chairs to sit on, but those chairs are not allowed to have armrests.

Running is not allowed unless you are a player.

There is an odd myth that the grounds crew at Augusta packs the azalea plants with ice if spring comes early. The idea is that this will keep the plants from flowering too soon before the tournament.

There is a house located in the middle of the Augusta National parking lot because the owners refuse to sell it. The family has reportedly turned down "millions."

You can't apply to become a member at Augusta.

It's nearly impossible to become a member at Augusta. You must be nominated by a current Augusta member, and new initiations generally aren't accepted unless someone quits or dies. The total membership hovers around 300.

Augusta is closed in the summer to keep the course in pristine shape.

Players are given a brand-new Mercedes for use during the week.

Golf cart drivers who are hired to drive the players around Augusta National also pick up the golfers at the airport in the Mercedes they will be using. The cars also have a number in the back window so that employees can always identify the players by which car they are in.


You can go to jail for selling tickets.

Twenty-four people were arrested outside Augusta in 2012 for trying to scalp tickets.
The course is insane about who it lets into the tournament and it's illegal to sell tickets within 2,700 feet of the gates.


You can only ask for autographs in one part of the course.

Fans always line the ropes at big tournaments in hopes of getting a*signature. But this is tougher to do at Augusta. You can only try and solicit an autograph on the Washington Road side of the clubhouse, near the practice facilities.


The bunkers at Augusta are filled with mining waste.

You know those pristine white bunkers? They're actually composed of waste product from the mining of aluminum, according to Golf.com

Basically, there's this company that mines feldspar (rocks) for aluminum. This process produces waste in the form of bright, pure quartz — that's what Augusta uses.











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tomwed
04-08-2018, 10:24 AM
TV commentators are not allowed to refer to fans as "fans" or "spectators" They are to be called "patrons," and the rough is to be referred to as the "second cut."

Sent from my VS995 using TapatalkI'm a better golfer then I thought. All this time I thought I was hitting it into the rough.

Bruiser1
04-08-2018, 11:32 AM
Is it really a sport if Phil can win the Masters at this point though? I mean he is 47 years old and not even fit. There should be some parameters for things to be considered sport as opposed to events.

Hmmm I remember a guy named Nicklaus that did "pretty well" at the Masters at the "advanced age " of 47

jebartle
04-08-2018, 12:31 PM
I like the player that doesn't show his passion, by cussing, giving a club the helicopter into the lake, I like the gentle giants, phil, jordan, and freddie.

Daddymac
04-08-2018, 01:56 PM
Some Great shots again Today......
Always a Great Show.. Augusta

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
04-09-2018, 09:46 AM
I'll pick Patrick Reed.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
04-09-2018, 09:49 AM
Some fun.Masters info:


Food prices are ridiculously low.
Tipping is banned.


Cell phones are prohibited at all times and cameras are not permitted during the tournament.

It's one of the only places in the U.S. where there are long lines for payphones.

There's a huge fence around the course to keep out animals. There has been one deer sighting in the last 65 years.

Only four minutes of commercials per hour are allowed during the broadcast and no blimps are allowed.

TV commentators are not allowed to refer to fans as "fans" or "spectators" They are to be called "patrons," and the rough is to be referred to as the "second cut."

Players had to use local caddies provided by Augusta until 1983. Players are allowed to use their own caddies now, but they must wear the Augusta uniform — green hat, white jumpsuit.

Like many golf courses, there is good fishing at Augusta National, but the players don't like to talk about it because it is forbidden.

Fans, oops, we mean patrons, aren’t allowed to wear their hats backwards.
Patrons can bring collapsible chairs to sit on, but those chairs are not allowed to have armrests.

Running is not allowed unless you are a player.

There is an odd myth that the grounds crew at Augusta packs the azalea plants with ice if spring comes early. The idea is that this will keep the plants from flowering too soon before the tournament.

There is a house located in the middle of the Augusta National parking lot because the owners refuse to sell it. The family has reportedly turned down "millions."

You can't apply to become a member at Augusta.

It's nearly impossible to become a member at Augusta. You must be nominated by a current Augusta member, and new initiations generally aren't accepted unless someone quits or dies. The total membership hovers around 300.

Augusta is closed in the summer to keep the course in pristine shape.

Players are given a brand-new Mercedes for use during the week.

Golf cart drivers who are hired to drive the players around Augusta National also pick up the golfers at the airport in the Mercedes they will be using. The cars also have a number in the back window so that employees can always identify the players by which car they are in.


You can go to jail for selling tickets.

Twenty-four people were arrested outside Augusta in 2012 for trying to scalp tickets.
The course is insane about who it lets into the tournament and it's illegal to sell tickets within 2,700 feet of the gates.


You can only ask for autographs in one part of the course.

Fans always line the ropes at big tournaments in hopes of getting a*signature. But this is tougher to do at Augusta. You can only try and solicit an autograph on the Washington Road side of the clubhouse, near the practice facilities.


The bunkers at Augusta are filled with mining waste.

You know those pristine white bunkers? They're actually composed of waste product from the mining of aluminum, according to Golf.com

Basically, there's this company that mines feldspar (rocks) for aluminum. This process produces waste in the form of bright, pure quartz — that's what Augusta uses.











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All true. In addition, at the autograph area beside the new practice putting green, there is a sign that says, "16 years old and under".

I was really surprised Thursday morning when I went to the range early and saw Gary Player warming up. He was the only player in the range. A few more came out, then Jack Nicklas appeared. After Jack's warmup session, I was walking out of the range area and went by the autograph area. There were two kids in line. He stopped and signed for both of them.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
04-09-2018, 10:22 AM
Considering what Tiger has been through, he's is having an extremely successful comeback. Six months ago it was questionable if he'd ever be able to play golf again. He's had a couple of top ten finishes and made the cut in The Masters.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about him or his personal life. Tiger Woods is one of the greatest athletes in history.

If he wins a tournament it will be the major sports story of the year. if he wins a major, it will be one of the major sports stories of the decade and maybe the century.

You don't have to like him, but you can't blame the media for covering stories that interest people. I guarantee that if he were in the hunt on Sunday, television viewership would have at least doubled. I talked to a guy that was scalping tickets on Thursday and asked what he was charging. He told me about $1,500 a day. But if Tiger was in the hunt after Friday, that price would double or triple. People want to see history being made. Tiger winning would be history. Rory becoming the sixth career grand slam winner would have been history. Phil winning at age 47 would have been history. The others, Jordan, Dustin, Justin, Patrick, Rickie et al? A win by any of them might be considered historic sometime in the future depending on what they do in their careers. If one of them goes on to win the career grand slam or have the most wins in history or beat Jack's record in the majors, then this Masters would have been historic. But, we wouldn't know that for quite a while.

In the upcoming US Open there will be three big stories. Tiger and Phil. If Tiger wins, it will be historic not only as an incredible comeback but also one closer to Jack's record and one more to the second place number. If Phil wins, it's the sixth player to achieve the career grand slam. If Patrick Reed wins then it's about the grand slam in one season.

Anything else is just another US Open. The US Open is a huge deal, but nowhere as big as any of those three possible scenarios.

if anyone else

My Post
04-09-2018, 10:39 AM
Reed is the every man. Could be working construction in Des Moines or tending bar on a cruise ship. I think he will be popular with whatever remains of golf's working class fans.

They need to toughen that course up a bit again. Some of the holes have become a bit of a snooze.

billethkid
04-09-2018, 10:46 AM
I am curious what all the hype is about a "comeback"?

He is back. He is playing the game.

Just not as well as many others.

Happens to all the past great golfers.

If the comeback is for him to return to the record setting golfer of 20 years ago....that is an unrealistic expectation.

He is no longer that golfer (or person).

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
04-09-2018, 10:57 AM
Reed is the every man. Could be working construction in Des Moines or tending bar on a cruise ship. I think he will be popular with whatever remains of golf's working class fans.

They need to toughen that course up a bit again. Some of the holes have become a bit of a snooze.

The way the course plays is very dependent on the weather. When it rains and it softens up, it does play too easy. If you were there Thursday, you probably wouldn't be saying that.

But I think that the real problem is the ball. It simply goes too far. I heard that the USGA is revisiting the issue, but I think that the PGA Tour should have a different ball than the rest of us.

The problem with the ball going so far is that courses are becoming outdated. In most cases, there is not enough real estate surrounding many courses to lengthen them. Even Augusta National with their unlimited budget and access to outlying property is not going to be able to keep up with the ball.

I watched players on 240-yard fourth hole on Thursday hitting irons to a back pin position.

Unless the wind is blowing, the 15th is a driver and a seven iron for many players. Except for #3 all of the par fours at Augusta are in excess of 440 yards. These players without exception are hitting short irons to every hole. The 11th is 505 yards and it's a driver and short iron. The sixth was playing at 184 yards and most of the leaders were hitting nine iron. Granted, they are both downhill, but that is simply absurd. The only real par five at Augusta is #8. Par should really be 69. Number 2 is a good drive and a mid-iron and #13 is a six iron if they hit a decent drive. There is no place to lengthen these holes. They could move the tee on 13 to the left to make it more of a dogleg and force a layup, but that's not interesting to watch or play.

Of course, it's a combination of clubs, ball and players getting bigger and stronger. Today all of the players on the PGA tour are spending hours in the fitness vans stretching and strengthening. The fitness and strength of the players can't be controlled nor can the clubs. The one thing that the Tour and The USGA can control is the ball. Like I said a special tour spec ball would make the professional game a lot more interesting. I can't remember seeing a player have to hit a driver and three iron to a par four like Ben Hogan and Arnold Palmer did in their days.

My Post
04-09-2018, 11:15 AM
That's a good synopsis. Do you have a favorite course to watch, challenging wise? I mean I always liked Pebble obviously but the last few times haven't been great IMO. Erin Hills last year was a disaster.

600th Photo Sq
04-09-2018, 11:28 AM
Tiger Woods missed by 16....Excellent News......Going .....Going ........ G _ _ E ..... Yay.....

My Post
04-09-2018, 12:08 PM
Reed's colorful past and family estrangement making the rounds of the media/ papers, including Daily Mail of UK.

Rapscallion St Croix
04-09-2018, 12:10 PM
Reed is the every man. Could be working construction in Des Moines or tending bar on a cruise ship. I think he will be popular with whatever remains of golf's working class fans.

They need to toughen that course up a bit again. Some of the holes have become a bit of a snooze.

Or stealing money and Scotty Cameron putters in locker rooms.

My Post
04-09-2018, 01:39 PM
Yeah I didn't know about that stuff til I read the articles before....

600th Photo Sq
04-09-2018, 06:32 PM
Reed's colorful past and family estrangement making the rounds of the media/ papers, including Daily Mail of UK.

" John Daly " Part 2 :plane: