Renting and landlords

[JimD215]

My wife and I currently rent in a courtyard villa. Today as we are in the house my cats come in like something was wrong. I looked out the window and see the landlords in the courtyard weeding. We have been landlords for years and always gave 24 hrs notice when we were coming over. I can see if they are doing something out front without notice but coming into the rear courtyard. Don’t think this is right.

[champion6]

Well, what does your rental agreement say? They are not all the same.

[karostay]

Let me get this right
The land lords are pulling weeds and your upset
Guess my question is,
What if weekly landscape company was mowing and pulling weeds.
Would want 24 hour notice ?

[JimD215]

Let me get this right
The land lords are pulling weeds and your upset
Guess my question is,
What if weekly landscape company was mowing and pulling weeds.
Would want 24 hour notice ?

Lease says 24 hrs notice. And it is concrete with a few weds coming through the cracks. Would you want you landlord just coming over. You pay rent to have privacy A call would have been sufficient.

[manaboutown]

As a landlord I never rent to anyone having a cat much less cats. They are very destructive in many ways: the scratching, urine and fecal odors, fur....

You are also fortunate your landlord weeds for you. It could be up to you and you apparently let the yard go.

Count your blessings!

[Retiring]

You are correct the landlord should have given you notice, you have a right to privacy. You are also EXTREMELY fortunate to have found someone that would allow cats. My parents make their living with rentals. They have 12 rentals in NYC. They would rather have an apartment go empty for a year than allow cats. You are lucky.

[Toymeister]

Foolish landlord. That is one way to get hurt, people shoot you for less. Am I the only one who sees this?

"Officer, I saw this peeping Tom and felt threatened..."

[Wiotte]

His house, his rules. Read your lease before posting.


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[thelegges]

I don’t see any difference from a lawn guy taking care of the lawn or the owner, it’s not like they wanted in the house. Our lawn guys don’t announce when they come and go.

[JimD215]

His house, his rules. Read your lease before posting.


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I did read it. 24 hrs notice. And tenants do have rights. Just like my tenants did

[JimD215]

I don’t see any difference from a lawn guy taking care of the lawn or the owner, it’s not like they wanted in the house. Our lawn guys don’t announce when they come and go.

There is no lawn. What are gates for. So anyone can just come into your gated area whenever they want.

[Wiotte]

I did read it. 24 hrs notice. And tenants do have rights. Just like my tenants did



Ok, you didn’t mention it. Did you call the landlord out ? If not, he’ll do it again.


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[JimD215]

Ok, you didn’t mention it. Did you call the landlord out ? If not, he’ll do it again.


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My wife wouldn’t let me. Lol. Next time I will if it happens.

[l2ridehd]

Being a landlord and having a lease with my tenants, there is a 24 hours notice clause, but that is to enter the home, come inside.

If I had to give notice when my lawn guy goes to mow or pull weeds or trim shrubs, I can promise you it would never happen. And if you called him or me out for it, I would have you added to the renters blacklist we maintain for those undesirable tenants none of us want.

[thelegges]

Then if it’s that upsetting you might have a conversation with them. After all posting here won’t get their attention, or give them an idea that you are this upset.

[graciegirl]

Then if it’s that upsetting you might have a conversation with them. After all posting here won’t get their attention, or give them an idea that you are this upset.

I wish someone would sneak into our yard and weed. Weeding is NO fun.

[ladygolfer123]

I agree...regardless... if the lease says 24 hr notice then that is what is expected! The landlord is collecting rent and should be polite to give notice!

[JimD215]

Being a landlord and having a lease with my tenants, there is a 24 hours notice clause, but that is to enter the home, come inside.

If I had to give notice when my lawn guy goes to mow or pull weeds or trim shrubs, I can promise you it would never happen. And if you called him or me out for it, I would have you added to the renters blacklist we maintain for those undesirable tenants none of us want.
You usually know when the lawn guy is coming. And like I said. There is no lawn. Coming through the gate is just like entering the home. There is a threshold. Once behind the gate you can see everything in the house. That’s why people put locks on them.

[manaboutown]

Being a landlord and having a lease with my tenants, there is a 24 hours notice clause, but that is to enter the home, come inside.

If I had to give notice when my lawn guy goes to mow or pull weeds or trim shrubs, I can promise you it would never happen. And if you called him or me out for it, I would have you added to the renters blacklist we maintain for those undesirable tenants none of us want.

This is the normal situation, the standard clause in a residential lease all over the country. The 24 hour notice is for entering the home, not cleaning/weeding the yard.

[thetruth]

I did read it. 24 hrs notice. And tenants do have rights. Just like my tenants did

We own our place. It seems to be acceptable by repair crews to just enter YOUR property and do repairs etc.

We certainly do not have the details. Who knows-perhaps you or the people around you complained about the weeds.

I would suggest you get over being angry AND THEN THINK HOW BIG OF DEAL YOU WANT TO MAKE OF THIS and is it worth it.

[JimD215]

We own our place. It seems to be acceptable by repair crews to just enter YOUR property and do repairs etc.

We certainly do not have the details. Who knows-perhaps you or the people around you complained about the weeds.

I would suggest you get over being angry AND THEN THINK HOW BIG OF DEAL YOU WANT TO MAKE OF THIS and is it worth it.

Nobody can see in and the tiny little weeds coming through the cracks in the concrete are not annoying. I pull them out when I go by. I am not angry just wanted to know if this was ok to do. States differ on these issues.

[manaboutown]

Does the lease allow you to have cats? Does your landlord know how many cats you have in the house? Are you keeping that or something else not allowed in the lease from him?

BTW, Entering the yard is not the same as entering a dwelling.

[redwitch]

I doubt the owners saw their weeding as being any sort of an issue — whether there was a gate or not, yard maintenance is obviously their responsibility (and there were enough weeds in your backyard for them to have to be there a bit). Would you have been as upset had it been someone they hired just to do weeding? A person paid to pull weeds or trim frequently does not have a schedule when a job will be done — too many other factors involved such as weather, what else had to be done in a given week or day, etc. Be grateful they care enough to maintain the outside for you and let it go. If you don’t want them going behind your gate, do more than just pull a weed when you walk by — weed the courtyard and do whatever other outside maintenance is required yourself.

[goodtimesintv]

As a landlord I never rent to anyone having a cat much less cats. They are very destructive in many ways: the scratching, urine and fecal odors, fur....

You are also fortunate your landlord weeds for you. It could be up to you and you apparently let the yard go.

Count your blessings!

I love dogs and cats, but as a former rental CYV owner/landlord, I can't believe any landlord would allow even one cat, much less 2 or more.

As for entering the courtyard to weed without notice, there are service providers like monthly pest control, plant and shrub treatment and trimming, who go in and out all the time without 24 hours notice.

That landlord is probably doing the weeding so he can see what other damage is being done to plants, grass, trees, bushes....and to see whether the courtyard looks/stinks like a yard-sized cat box full of t*rds.

There is more to this story, I suspect.

[JimD215]

Does the lease allow you to have cats? Does your landlord know how many cats you have in the house? Are you keeping that or something else not allowed in the lease from him?

BTW, Entering the yard is not the same as entering a dwelling.

Yes they know about the cats that’s why we didn’t want a furnished home. We always leave the place better than we received it. Have nothing to hide. When they do work in front of the house they usually knock and I invite them in. Nice people. Just felt a little strange having someone looking in at you when you don’t expect anyone to be there.

[ColdNoMore]

Yes they know about the cats that’s why we didn’t want a furnished home. We always leave the place better than we received it. Have nothing to hide. When they do work in front of the house they usually knock and I invite them in. Nice people. Just felt a little strange having someone looking in at you when you don’t expect anyone to be there.

IMHO, you have a right to be concerned that anyone can come in the back yard of a CYV without prior notice...where you would otherwise expect privacy.

If it were me, I would read the lease again (and maybe state laws) with a magnifying glass...and see if there is something that allows the owner to come in the back yard at any time.

If not, I would put a combination lock on the gate...which you can unlock when not home in case of pest control/etc. :shrug:

I would also ignore those that are trying to make you feel guilty for expecting privacy...or questioning the legality of your pets.


I couldn't help but being reminded...of this recent post. :D

WE have 120,000 people here and 99.8% mind their own business.

[manaboutown]

Just felt a little strange having someone looking in at you when you don’t expect anyone to be there.

Now looking in the windows is a whole 'nother matter! You most certainly do have a right to privacy, especially within the curtilage of the home. There are landlords and there are landlords... For the sake of decency and common courtesy I would expect a planned schedule of some sort and a quick knock on the door.

Again, I do not know how the lease reads and whether the tenant or landlord is responsible for yard care.

[goodtimesintv]

WE have 120,000 people here and 99.8% mind their own business.:D

By writing the original post, the person invited comments from others, and those comments aren't all going to be sunshine, lollipops and rainbows.

There are two sides to every story, and the fact that the landlord was accommodating enough to allow cats says there is his side of the story, too.

Having 120,000 people here ALSO means the population is going to include at least .2% who think they are correct about landlord-tenant privacy expectations/laws, when they're not.

[Mrs. Robinson]

The OP's thread is NOT about cats!
His comment is about his right of privacy according to what his lease says.
The owner was wrong and I would have kicked his rear-end off the property.
In addition, you can't compare the owner entering the property unannounced versus a hired lawn service who would probably have to knock on your door to gain entry to the courtyard.
I am also assuming there is no lawn service employed to dig the weeds out of the cracks in the concrete.

Why would this landlord have to come into the courtyard to dig weeds out of the cracks in the concrete?
It would appear the landlord had an ulterior motive that made no sense.
I would be making plans to move; I wouldn't trust this landlord for a minute.

[JimD215]

The OP's thread is NOT about cats!
His comment is about his right of privacy according to what his lease says.
The owner was wrong and I would have kicked his rear-end off the property.
In addition, you can't compare the owner entering the property unannounced versus a hired lawn service who would probably have to knock on your door to gain entry to the courtyard.
I am also assuming there is no lawn service employed to dig the weeds out of the cracks in the concrete.

Why would this landlord have to come into the courtyard to dig weeds out of the cracks in the concrete?
It would appear the landlord had an ulterior motive that made no sense.
I would be making plans to move; I wouldn't trust this landlord for a minute.
Waiting for our house to sell up north so we can purchase. Should be in contract to sell this week.

[Fraugoofy]

My wife and I currently rent in a courtyard villa. Today as we are in the house my cats come in like something was wrong. I looked out the window and see the landlords in the courtyard weeding. We have been landlords for years and always gave 24 hrs notice when we were coming over. I can see if they are doing something out front without notice but coming into the rear courtyard. Don’t think this is right.I am a landlord in The Villages. I would certainly give 24 hours notice , even for weeding. However, furnished or unfurnished, I would never allow renters to have any kind of pets, especially cats. Finding a landlord that accepts cats is truly special. I would have an honest and appropriate conversation with your landlord and iron things out... best of luck!

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[ColdNoMore]

The OP's thread is NOT about cats!
His comment is about his right of privacy according to what his lease says.
The owner was wrong and I would have kicked his rear-end off the property.

YEP! :thumbup:



In addition, you can't compare the owner entering the property unannounced versus a hired lawn service who would probably have to knock on your door to gain entry to the courtyard.
I am also assuming there is no lawn service employed to dig the weeds out of the cracks in the concrete.

Why would this landlord have to come into the courtyard to dig weeds out of the cracks in the concrete?
It would appear the landlord had an ulterior motive that made no sense.
I would be making plans to move; I wouldn't trust this landlord for a minute.

More yep. :agree:

[karostay]

The rental agreement say only professorial landscapers can pull weeds with out notice
All rental agreements I ever read were 24 hr right of entry not weed pulling

I bet land lord stops taking pets

[Marathon Man]

I did read it. 24 hrs notice. And tenants do have rights. Just like my tenants did

I don't understand why you don't call your landlord and have a conversation with him. That is the path to resolution.

[valuemkt]

Surely u jest Mrs Robinson .. A tenant is going to attempt to kick the landlord off of his own property while he is in the process of maintaining it ? That would invoke an immediate acceleration / eviction process, with the tenants clearly being put on the DO NOT RENT TO list mentioned by another poster. No one will prevent me from walking on or maintaining my property.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Surely u jest Mrs Robinson .. A tenant is going to attempt to kick the landlord off of his own property while he is in the process of maintaining it ? That would invoke an immediate acceleration / eviction process, with the tenants clearly being put on the DO NOT RENT TO list mentioned by another poster. No one will prevent me from walking on or maintaining my property.

Surely I DON'T jest!
I also don't consider pulling weeds out of the cracks in the concrete "maintaining" the property.

According to what I've read, the landlord may own the property, but has NO right to walk into his tenants' (private) courtyard unannounced.

According to what I've also read, 24 hours notice was to be given before showing up for any reason.
In addition, common courtesy would indicate that he would knock on the tenants' front door and not just walk in.

The tenants, by way of their lease, had every right to kick this landlord off their property.
The landlord, in this case, had no rights if what he did and the way he did it, according to what has been said in this thread, is 100% correct.

I won't say you are wrong but I will say you are dead wrong!

[l2ridehd]

Surely I DON'T jest!
I also don't consider pulling weeds out of the cracks in the concrete "maintaining" the property.

According to what I've read, the landlord may own the property, but has NO right to walk into his tenants' (private) courtyard unannounced.

According to what I've also read, 24 hours notice was to be given before showing up for any reason.
In addition, common courtesy would indicate that he would knock on the tenants' front door and not just walk in.

The tenants, by way of their lease, had every right to kick this landlord off their property.
The landlord, in this case, had no rights if what he did and the way he did it, according to what has been said in this thread, is 100% correct.

I won't say you are wrong but I will say you are dead wrong!

The real answer is knowing what the lease says and right now we only hear one side of that. My lease's clearly state that I must give 24 hours to enter the property.

It also clearly states that lawn, shrub, tree trimming and outside maintenance workers may enter the property to do required work between the hours of 7:30 AM and 5:30 PM, Monday through Saturday. It also states that work like pressure washing, garage doors, or any other outside/access work that requires working on the structure will be schedule with the tenant or after 24 hour notice. Any maintenance issues that involve any type of safety problem will be handle as quickly as possible with or without notice. Also states access with 24 hours notice to show prospective tenants the property within 7 days of lease termination. And a couple other items that involve access but are much less likely.

Now most landlords are reasonable people and we try to keep our tenants happy. 90% plus of my renters are repeats because of that. Most of the time when inside work is required they just tell me to come and do it weather they are there or not as I do 99% of that myself anyway. I do try to make it work that they are there, but if we really know each other well and have been working together for several years I do it either way.

So my guess is this tenant and landlord don't have a very good working relationship. Something else is going on. But as has been stated by others there are two sides to this story and we are only hearing one.

[ColdNoMore]

Surely I DON'T jest!
I also don't consider pulling weeds out of the cracks in the concrete "maintaining" the property.

According to what I've read, the landlord may own the property, but has NO right to walk into his tenants' (private) courtyard unannounced.

According to what I've also read, 24 hours notice was to be given before showing up for any reason.
In addition, common courtesy would indicate that he would knock on the tenants' front door and not just walk in.

The tenants, by way of their lease, had every right to kick this landlord off their property.
The landlord, in this case, had no rights if what he did and the way he did it, according to what has been said in this thread, is 100% correct.

I won't say you are wrong but I will say you are dead wrong!


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[perrjojo]

I don't understand why you don't call your landlord and have a conversation with him. That is the path to resolution.
I agree. I think seeing someone unexpected in my yard would give me quite a scare. Just say, you frightened me and please knock next time. They would understand.

[queasy27]

But as has been stated by others there are two sides to this story and we are only hearing one.

What would the owners' side be? Either they're suspicious of the OP and deliberately entered the property without notice to snoop under the guise of weeding, or they genuinely wanted to weed. Either way, if the lease agreement requires 24 hours notice to enter the property (which includes exterior space), they are in violation.

It would be a matter of minutes for the owners to email, text or call the tenant to provide notice. Why would they fail to do so?

If they have concerns about how the OP is caring for the property, they should have been the ones to reach out to him/her.

[thelegges]

What would the owners' side be? Either they're suspicious of the OP and deliberately entered the property without notice to snoop under the guise of weeding, or they genuinely wanted to weed. Either way, if the lease agreement requires 24 hours notice to enter the property (which includes exterior space), they are in violation.

It would be a matter of minutes for the owners to email, text or call the tenant to provide notice. Why would they fail to do so?

If they have concerns about how the OP is caring for the property, they should have been the ones to reach out to him/her.

It’s unusual for tenet to be responsible for water, sewer,trash, amenities fees, and maintenance of property inside or out. Anything done on outside of home has a 9 to 6pm weekday without notice. When we rented from the Villages in 07 maitance guys came and weeded and sprayed in the CV we were renting without notice. But then again for us we never have had such a disconnect between two parties.

I would just discuss with owner.

[rustyp]

Waiting for our house to sell up north so we can purchase. Should be in contract to sell this week.

Problem solved. I suspect you only have a couple more weeks to bare it out. Seems like owning is a much better fit than renting for your situation. You didn't rent again for next year did you ?

[JimD215]

Problem solved. I suspect you only have a couple more weeks to bare it out. Seems like owning is a much better fit than renting for your situation. You didn't rent again for next year did you ?

No. We only rented for a year knowing we would be purchasing once the house sold. As of now closing is scheduled for May 31st. Still would have 5 months left on the lease

[New Englander]

I agree. I think seeing someone unexpected in my yard would give me quite a scare. Just say, you frightened me and please knock next time. They would understand.

This is a good resolution to this situation.

[l2ridehd]

What would the owners' side be? Either they're suspicious of the OP and deliberately entered the property without notice to snoop under the guise of weeding, or they genuinely wanted to weed. Either way, if the lease agreement requires 24 hours notice to enter the property (which includes exterior space), they are in violation.

It would be a matter of minutes for the owners to email, text or call the tenant to provide notice. Why would they fail to do so?

If they have concerns about how the OP is caring for the property, they should have been the ones to reach out to him/her.

It may be out there, but in 10 years of owning rentals and helping others with rentals, I have never seen a lease that required notice for doing outside work. Most owners have no idea when their lawn, shrub, weeding, or pest control people are showing up to do outside work. There are to many uncontrollable things that cause schedules to change. Almost all have a 24 hour notice for entering the home. And in my personal leases I provide a clause giving 24 hour notice for outside work on the structure itself, (power washing ie) but even that is unusual.

[manaboutown]

It may be out there, but in 10 years of owning rentals and helping others with rentals, I have never seen a lease that required notice for doing outside work. Most owners have no idea when their lawn, shrub, weeding, or pest control people are showing up to do outside work. There are to many uncontrollable things that cause schedules to change. Almost all have a 24 hour notice for entering the home. And in my personal leases I provide a clause giving 24 hour notice for outside work on the structure itself, (power washing ie) but even that is unusual.

My father owned several rental houses and while growing up during the 1950s I did some of the yard care. I just showed up and cut the grass whenever it was convenient for me.

In 1966 I bought my first rental property, a four unit small apartment building on Capitol Hill in D.C.. I did a lot of the maintenance and just showed up, except when I needed to actually enter an apartment for which an appointment was scheduled for mutual convenience.

Having been a landlord of both residential and commercial properties ever since - and having been a residential tenant a few times as well - I have never signed a lease as lessor or lessee where yard maintenance required an appointment in advance. I have rented in The Villages on three separate occasions. One house had a backyard pool. The pool maintenance person just showed up, no notice, at her convenience. Same for the yard crews at the houses.

This got me curious so I found the standard Florida Realtor residential lease. https://eforms.com/download/2015/10/florida-association-of-realtors-residential-lease-agreement-template.pdf

It seems to be silent regarding any notice requirement for outside maintenance although plenty of blanks can be checked off and/or filled in to specify such a condition, as well as who is responsible for what.

This is the Florida statute governing residential tenancies. Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0083/0083PARTIIContentsIndex.html)

[gatherer47]

much ado about nothing !

[ColdNoMore]

much ado about nothing !

I disagree.

I think what most people are forgetting/ignoring...is the layout of CYV's.

Given that we're not talking about windows/sliding doors facing the street, or an open yard, where privacy can't be expected, but instead are facing a walled in area and what is otherwise a very private setting...it's perfectly reasonable for folks to expect a little privacy on that side.

I think the poster above who said that maybe the landlord is just a nosy/Peeping Tom sort, is IMHO...probably the closest to the truth.

Putting a lock on the gate by the tenant, so that someone wanting to access the 'private' back yard and has to ring the doorbell (removing lock it when not home)...is a simple solution that avoids confrontation with the landlord.

[manaboutown]

I have locked gates to my backyards. The lawn guys know where I keep the gate keys for their use. They just come right into the yards. My houses have several glass French doors as well as windows and their blinds are usually open during the day. The yard guys need to come up close and even against the house to prune, sweep and blow leaves and such away from it. They inevitably peek in and if I am at home I wave at them and they wave back. That is how it works.

Now if I had something to hide from a landlord, observable illicit activities, had a wife or girlfriend who liked walking around the house naked, was engaging in some outdoor daytime "Sex on the Squares" activity or the like, then and only then would I be concerned about yard maintenance people entering my yard unannounced.

[Transplant]

I disagree.

I think what most people are forgetting/ignoring...is the layout of CYV's.

Given that we're not talking about windows/sliding doors facing the street, or an open yard, where privacy can't be expected, but instead are facing a walled in area and what is otherwise a very private setting...it's perfectly reasonable for folks to expect a little privacy on that side.

I think the poster above who said that maybe the landlord is just a nosy/Peeping Tom sort, is IMHO...probably the closest to the truth.

Putting a lock on the gate by the tenant, so that someone wanting to access the 'private' back yard and has to ring the doorbell (removing lock it when not home)...is a simple solution that avoids confrontation with the landlord.

You hit the nail on the head. This would be grounds to either getting out of the lease since the landlord violated it, or seek some type of monetary compensation from the courts for violating privacy and possible trauma to the cats. Also possible criminal violation if you felt threaten by him looking in. Good luck in whatever course of action you seek.

[l2ridehd]

You hit the nail on the head. This would be grounds to either getting out of the lease since the landlord violated it, or seek some type of monetary compensation from the courts for violating privacy and possible trauma to the cats. Also possible criminal violation if you felt threaten by him looking in. Good luck in whatever course of action you seek.

This is crazy. Does a CYV have lawn behind the gate? Everyone I ever saw did. Is the owner required to mow that? That answer is yes. So just how does he do that? Make an appointment? Never going to happen.

Lawn services are never going to provide service if they have to make an appointment to mow. And if the owner does it neither should he.

If you require that much control over your CYV yard, buy don't rent.

[thelegges]

Or maybe since the OP is about to have his home close to under contract, and then can buy in TV, he needs to break his lease, six months early. That gives pause and a good reason to not fulfill terms of lease, with a trespassing issue.

[Panthers]

Or maybe since the OP is about to have his home close to under contract, and then can buy in TV, he needs to break his lease, six months early. That gives pause and a good reason to not fulfill terms of lease, with a trespassing issue.Lol

[Panthers]

The rental agreement say only professorial landscapers can pull weeds with out notice
All rental agreements I ever read were 24 hr right of entry not weed pulling

I bet land lord stops taking petsThere are on line services to report problematic tenants. Hope the landlord uses it.

[Mrs. Robinson]

I disagree.

I think what most people are forgetting/ignoring...is the layout of CYV's.

Given that we're not talking about windows/sliding doors facing the street, or an open yard, where privacy can't be expected, but instead are facing a walled in area and what is otherwise a very private setting...it's perfectly reasonable for folks to expect a little privacy on that side.

I think the poster above who said that maybe the landlord is just a nosy/Peeping Tom sort, is IMHO...probably the closest to the truth.

Putting a lock on the gate by the tenant, so that someone wanting to access the 'private' back yard and has to ring the doorbell (removing lock it when not home)...is a simple solution that avoids confrontation with the landlord.

I don't understand why the posters who believe the lessee is wrong, can't see what you have pointed out in very simple terms.

Let me make it even more simple:

The lessee could have shot the owner thinking he was a burglar, since the owner appeared from out of nowhere!

[Panthers]

I don't understand why the posters who believe the lessee is wrong, can't see what you have pointed out in very simple terms.

Let me make it even more simple:

The lessee could have shot the owner thinking he was a burglar, since the owner appeared from out of nowhere!Lol

[Panthers]

Speaks volumes that the tenant had these weeds in a place she had been renting for months.

Wonder what the multiple cat litter box smells like.

[ColdNoMore]

I don't understand why the posters who believe the lessee is wrong, can't see what you have pointed out in very simple terms.


One can't help but wonder, given some of the responses, if there aren't more landlords than imagined...whom like to spy on their tenants. :shrug:

[manaboutown]

I wonder what kind of weed was growing in the backyard...

[manaboutown]

Let me make it even more simple:

The lessee could have shot the owner thinking he was a burglar, since the owner appeared from out of nowhere!

That is known as murder even if it is a trespasser which the landlord and yard maintenance folks are not. Moreover, the landlords (husband and wife) did not appear out of nowhere. They no doubt came through the gate.

It is self defense if one is defending oneself or another inside a dwelling from an intruder who has made a forced entry, is actually inside the dwelling and poses a mortal threat or great bodily harm.

[CFrance]

Why not just keep the gate locked while you're home. And if what one poster said is the case (Sex-on-the-square activity inside during the day), close the damn blinds! Ew.

In a CYV, even your next-door neighbor has a right to enter your yard to inspect the side of his house.

[karostay]

Think this Horse :0000000000luvmyhors has been beaten up enough.
Time to move along