Future projected growth of TV

[Madelaine Amee]

I was absolutely amazed when I looked at the pull-out section showing planned future growth in The Village magazine that came this week. I knew TV was growing, and growing and growing some more, but the scope of the proposed new Villages and homes really surprised me.

Can TV, as we know it, remain the same or will we become just a housing project? I know the Morse family have incredible vision for the future, but will the very character of TV be lost in the growth?

Interested in your opinion.

[jimmemac]

Nothing stays the same, having said that my opinion is that with the added housing comes more and more people and more and more cars. If you think it is crowded or congested now when the snowbirds are here and the golf courses and rec classes are crowded-- just wait because it isn't going to get better.

[billethkid]

We built our home in 2004 and have experienced TV growing more than 3 times in size (from 35,000).

TV developers have amply demonstrated they take into account the needs of the incremental growth.

When one stops to think specifically how they are affected by the "additional growth" the list is quite short.

I suspect the increased traffic and waits for a table for dinner top the list.
But not many come from places where there is no traffic or no wait to get into a restaurant.

I prefer to view the positives that the growth has brought with it. If it were not for the growth most of the national chains we all enjoy today would not be here.

Everything is relative. Back in 2004 the busy season population was less than the slow season population of current or recent years.

The future growth of TV will no doubt bring much more retail/commercial opportunities for the residents enjoyment.....just like it has done to date.

Crowds? Where is the last place that was popular that had no crowds?

[vinricci]

I can't wait for the monorail that runs from Brownwood to Disney.

[rustyp]

[QUOTE=Madelaine Amee;1530310]I was absolutely amazed when I looked at the pull-out section showing planned future growth in The Village magazine that came this week. I knew TV was growing, and growing and growing some more, but the scope of the proposed new Villages and homes really surprised me.

Can TV, as we know it, remain the same or will we become just a housing project? I know the Morse family have incredible vision for the future, but will the very character of TV be lost in the growth?

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[VillageIdiots]

For some of us it already has lost the initial sparkle. I purchased near Spanish Springs the year Lake Sumter opened. I picked SS because I liked the feel of the square, Katie Belles, and Church on the Square. My main hobby is music. The population has more than tripled and the "friendliest hometown" feeling has disappeared for me along with two of my favorite venues. Also as with most items the first experiences are the best and as familiarity sets in some of the small warts become more visible. I am not saying that I don't like it here any more just not quite as much as in the beginning. And I know the critics are coming at me now so "no I don't know of a better place".

I suspect with most people "will the character be lost" is a reference to the time at which they moved here. Like me for some it already has. Carpe Diem

:popcorn:

[Madelaine Amee]

For some of us it already has lost the initial sparkle. I purchased near Spanish Springs the year Lake Sumter opened. I picked SS because I liked the feel of the square, Katie Belles, and Church on the Square. My main hobby is music. The population has more than tripled and the "friendliest hometown" feeling has disappeared for me along with two of my favorite venues. Also as with most items the first experiences are the best and as familiarity sets in some of the small warts become more visible. I am not saying that I don't like it here any more just not quite as much as in the beginning. And I know the critics are coming at me now so "no I don't know of a better place".

I suspect with most people "will the character be lost" is a reference to the time at which they moved here. Like me for some it already has. Carpe Diem

Actually the point of my post regarding the "will the character be lost" pertains to the different (as I see it) building of the new villages. The original concept was small villages built around a town square. That format seems to be changing to more of a housing project. The changes referenced in the above posts about more people, snow bird season etc., etc., do not relate to me. I live in my own little bubble and still do what I want to do, and still know this was the best decision we ever made.

[tophcfa]

The biggest problem I see with the growth is future demographics. Retireing baby boomer's with savings, pensions, and social security will buy up the homes and enjoy the lifestyle. What will happen when this generation dies off. The generations next in line are smaller in numbers, no longer work for companies with pensions, don't have the same passion for golf, and who knows what will be the state of social security? The supply and demand balance will be very different in 20 - 30 years. Oh well, not really our problem, our children will have to deal with this when they inherit our homes.

[VillageIdiots]

The biggest problem I see with the growth is future demographics. Retireing baby boomer's with savings, pensions, and social security will buy up the homes and enjoy the lifestyle. What will happen when this generation dies off. The generations next in line are smaller in numbers, no longer work for companies with pensions, don't have the same passion for golf, and who knows what will be the state of social security? The supply and demand balance will be very different in 20 - 30 years. Oh well, not really our problem, our children will have to deal with this when they inherit our homes.

I can speak to that to a certain degree. There seems to be a growing number of people like me - not ready for retirement but really attracted to TV and the lifestyle. But my job allows me to work from home. As long as I have reliable internet and am reasonably close to an airport for when I need to travel on business. I've heard it referred to as "pre-tirement". So, I don't have to wait to fully retire to relocate. There is a growing club in TV called South of Sixty (SOS). I'm fairly sure the majority of that group have similar circumstances to mine. We may not fill all of the future voids, but will likely make up a part of them.

[Lottoguy]

I too have thought about the next generation that will effect The Villages. It's very true that most of our children will not be getting a pension. Of course they do have a 401K which will act the same. But, if they cannot afford to live here what will happen to the homes here? The jobs in the area support those who are retired. If they no longer are here then the jobs will disappear. I would like to see a study on this.

[tomwed]

Crowds? Where is the last place that was popular that had no crowds?
Yogi Berra was once asked whether he wished to have dinner at a highly-regarded restaurant, and he replied with a remark combining wisdom with contradiction: Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.

[tomwed]

Crowds? Where is the last place that was popular that had no crowds?Yogi Berra was once asked whether he wished to have dinner at a highly-regarded restaurant, and he replied with a remark combining wisdom with contradiction: Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.

[rustyp]

:popcorn:


:kiss:

[ColdNoMore]

Nothing stays the same, having said that my opinion is that with the added housing comes more and more people and more and more cars. If you think it is crowded or congested now when the snowbirds are here and the golf courses and rec classes are crowded-- just wait because it isn't going to get better.

Yep.


Take a good look around at the current congestion and realize that, not accounting for seasonal fluctuations...there will never be less traffic than there is right now.

[pbkmaine]

I can't wait for the monorail that runs from Brownwood to Disney.


That would be AWESOME!

[TimeForChange]

I spent 40 years of my life in sales and sales management with large companies. When I moved here in 2012 and the agent said "these are going be the last 1000 homes we will build. You need to buy now!" I kind of laughed because I had seen the current sales that year and before. If there is a demand for homes here they will build them. When the demand stops or slows to a point that it is not worth their effort or investment then they will stop. When that will be no one knows. The only other things that will be a possible issue is land and water. My biggest concern now is having enough Championship golf courses.

[biker1]

The golf courses and rec centers are scaled up in numbers as more houses are built. For example, there appears to be about 1500 homes per executive golf course. There is also a locality issue as I believe most people use the amenities closest to their home so what happens on one end of The Villages doesn't impact you all that much. The roads can be a bigger issue but again most people use shopping, amenities close to their home.

Nothing stays the same, having said that my opinion is that with the added housing comes more and more people and more and more cars. If you think it is crowded or congested now when the snowbirds are here and the golf courses and rec classes are crowded-- just wait because it isn't going to get better.

[CFrance]

I can't wait for the monorail that runs from Brownwood to Disney.
That's funny.:BigApplause:

[CFrance]

The biggest problem I see with the growth is future demographics. Retireing baby boomer's with savings, pensions, and social security will buy up the homes and enjoy the lifestyle. What will happen when this generation dies off. The generations next in line are smaller in numbers, no longer work for companies with pensions, don't have the same passion for golf, and who knows what will be the state of social security? The supply and demand balance will be very different in 20 - 30 years. Oh well, not really our problem, our children will have to deal with this when they inherit our homes.
But, but... didn't most of us baby boomers have 2+ children? All those kids will be retiring too. Where are they going to retire? I know one of ours is headed to TV.

[Packer Fan]

I can speak to that to a certain degree. There seems to be a growing number of people like me - not ready for retirement but really attracted to TV and the lifestyle. But my job allows me to work from home. As long as I have reliable internet and am reasonably close to an airport for when I need to travel on business. I've heard it referred to as "pre-tirement". So, I don't have to wait to fully retire to relocate. There is a growing club in TV called South of Sixty (SOS). I'm fairly sure the majority of that group have similar circumstances to mine. We may not fill all of the future voids, but will likely make up a part of them.

What a very insightful post. This is so true! I have been looking at finally retiring down there in a few years and using that same strategy of finding a work from home job. Things are more and more available every day.
:BigApplause:

[Topspinmo]

I can't wait for the monorail that runs from Brownwood to Disney.

When they build down to highway 50 Disney just few blocks away:thumbup:

Actually if the MMP would of followed the high powered lines with only three tunnels you would had straight shot from Lopez through Spanish springs, colony, all way to 44? Could of been the golf cart autobahn. :MOJE_whot:

[Villagevip]

I can speak to that to a certain degree. There seems to be a growing number of people like me - not ready for retirement but really attracted to TV and the lifestyle. But my job allows me to work from home. As long as I have reliable internet and am reasonably close to an airport for when I need to travel on business. I've heard it referred to as "pre-tirement". So, I don't have to wait to fully retire to relocate. There is a growing club in TV called South of Sixty (SOS). I'm fairly sure the majority of that group have similar circumstances to mine. We may not fill all of the future voids, but will likely make up a part of them.

Do you have to show your drivers lic. to join the South of Sixty Club?

[VillageIdiots]

Do you have to show your drivers lic. to join the South of Sixty Club?

Not sure - you hiding something? :laugh:

I haven't officially joined yet - just a member of their facebook group for now. Once I get down there, I'll go to a meeting and let you know if I get carded.

[tippyclubb]

Do you have to show your drivers lic. to join the South of Sixty Club?

The answer to that is yes you do have to show your drivers license. Once you turn 60 you can no longer remain in the group.

[graciegirl]

The answer to that is yes you do have to show your drivers license. Once you turn 60 you can no longer remain in the group.[/QUOTE]

Do they have a ceremony? Do they give you a wheelchair or a coffin?



What do people do in a club with age restrictions that they cannot do in a club without age restrictions?

I really want to know the answer even if it is blunt. I am really curious. I could never exclude anyone because of their advanced age. I am trying to avoid being around other people's teenagers though. ;)

[biker1]

Just like Sugar Mountain only the age limit is 60, not 20.

The answer to that is yes you do have to show your drivers license. Once you turn 60 you can no longer remain in the group.

[tippyclubb]

The answer to that is yes you do have to show your drivers license. Once you turn 60 you can no longer remain in the group.

Do they have a ceremony? Do they give you a wheelchair or a coffin?



What do people do in a club with age restrictions that they cannot do in a club without age restrictions?

I really want to know the answer even if it is blunt. I am really curious. I could never exclude anyone because of their advanced age. I am trying to avoid being around other people's teenagers though. ;)[/QUOTE]

Gracie I don't know the answers to your questions. I am not a member of that group, but I have some friends who are.

[CFrance]

Maybe they stay up later.:evil6:

[spring_chicken]

The biggest problem I see with the growth is future demographics. Retireing baby boomer's with savings, pensions, and social security will buy up the homes and enjoy the lifestyle. What will happen when this generation dies off. The generations next in line are smaller in numbers, no longer work for companies with pensions, don't have the same passion for golf, and who knows what will be the state of social security? The supply and demand balance will be very different in 20 - 30 years. Oh well, not really our problem, our children will have to deal with this when they inherit our homes.

I have no idea where you got your information, but I couldn't disagree more. As much as many love to bash them, millenials are actually better with money than boomers or gen X according to the article linked below. Don't have the same passion for golf? Not only is there passion, they're actually starting at a MUCH younger age than we did! See second article linked below.
Millennials are more financially responsible than Boomers or Gen X (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/14/millennials-are-more-financially-responsible-than-boomers-or-gen-x.html)

Number of golfers steady, more beginners coming from millennials - Golf Digest (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/number-of-golfers-steady-more)

[graciegirl]

I have no idea where you got your information, but I couldn't disagree more. As much as many love to bash them, millenials are actually better with money than boomers or gen X according to the article linked below. Don't have the same passion for golf? Not only is there passion, they're actually starting at a MUCH younger age than we did! See second article linked below.
Millennials are more financially responsible than Boomers or Gen X (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/14/millennials-are-more-financially-responsible-than-boomers-or-gen-x.html)

Number of golfers steady, more beginners coming from millennials - Golf Digest (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/number-of-golfers-steady-more)

Millennials Learn How to Save Money Better Than Parents | Money (http://time.com/money/4824916/millennials-baby-boomers-saving-money-emergency/)

HOWEVER...a summary paragraph inside this article says this;

"The survey findings don’t necessarily indicate that millennials are better at saving than baby boomers, or that they have more money saved up than their parents’ generation. Boomers are actually much more likely than millennials to have at least six months’ worth of savings (38 percent vs. 23 percent). Yet more millennials than boomers have some emergency savings."

[EPutnam1863]

I was absolutely amazed when I looked at the pull-out section showing planned future growth in The Village magazine that came this week. I knew TV was growing, and growing and growing some more, but the scope of the proposed new Villages and homes really surprised me.

Can TV, as we know it, remain the same or will we become just a housing project? I know the Morse family have incredible vision for the future, but will the very character of TV be lost in the growth?

Interested in your opinion.

We learned in psychology 101 that the more rats there are in a cage, the more chaotic it becomes.

[manaboutown]

At first the thought of an under 60 group put me off but after some consideration I came to appreciate how beneficial it could be for many reasons. Great idea!

[EPutnam1863]

Yogi Berra was once asked whether he wished to have dinner at a highly-regarded restaurant, and he replied with a remark combining wisdom with contradiction: Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.

Whenever we step inside a restaurant and see a large crowd waiting for tables, we leave.

[EPutnam1863]

That would be AWESOME!

Yes if you can afford the tickets to the playgrounds.

[tomwed]

Maybe they stay up later.:evil6:That's pretty funny.

[ColdNoMore]

Maybe they stay up later.:evil6:

:1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

At first the thought of an under 60 group put me off but after some consideration I came to appreciate how beneficial it could be for many reasons. Great idea!

Keeps the kids out and away from the fun people?

[Chatbrat]

I refuse to wait anytime or anyplace to give a person or business my money--

When we buy our cars-we never set foot in the dealership-its part of the deal, this way we are not subject to the hassle of dealing with boloney peddlers

[tomwed]

I sneeked into one of those under 60 meetings. They must have figured some of us might try so every time the person at the mic wanted to just talk to the real members he lowered the volume of his mic. drat!

[JoMar]

40K houses x 1.7 heads per house equals 68K people. Do you really believe that the next generations don't have 68K people that will be able to afford this place? You can plug whatever number you want but the required number to fill houses here is minuscule to the populations of the millennials and those that follow. As long as the State continues to be the retirement draw, I think TV will continue to be successful.

[graciegirl]

I sneeked into one of those under 60 meetings. They must have figured some of us might try so every time the person at the mic wanted to just talk to the real members he lowered the volume of his mic. drat!

You are a hoot, Tomwed. That there is Funny!

[tomwed]

You are a hoot, Tomwed. That there is Funny!You can tell I'm over sixty. I posted my response in the wrong thread. I was coming back to move it. Now that I learned what conflation is, and that it has nothing to do with digestion, I think I conflated two threads.

[fw102807]

The big change is for the people who have been here since the beginning. We have only been here for a couple of years so everything we are seeing is not really much of a change. The people who are buying now have never known anything else. The Villages just keeps evolving. Things that remain the same eventually become stagnant.

[fw102807]

You can tell I'm over sixty. I posted my response in the wrong thread. I was coming back to move it. Now that I learned what conflation is, and that it has nothing to do with digestion, I think I conflated two threads.

Ha ha, sounds like you are discombobulated.

[spring_chicken]

Millennials Learn How to Save Money Better Than Parents | Money (http://time.com/money/4824916/millennials-baby-boomers-saving-money-emergency/)

HOWEVER...a summary paragraph inside this article says this;

"The survey findings don’t necessarily indicate that millennials are better at saving than baby boomers, or that they have more money saved up than their parents’ generation. Boomers are actually much more likely than millennials to have at least six months’ worth of savings (38 percent vs. 23 percent). Yet more millennials than boomers have some emergency savings."

Exactly!

[spring_chicken]

At first the thought of an under 60 group put me off but after some consideration I came to appreciate how beneficial it could be for many reasons. Great idea!

I don't know why the ones who show such disdain for people not in their "perfect" generation are the first to whine about not being able to join a club of the same people.

[graciegirl]

I don't know why the ones who show such disdain for people not in their "perfect" generation are the first to whine about not being able to join a club of the same people.

Mercy!

I don't know why the ones who show such disdain for people not in their "perfect" generation are the first to whine about not being able to join a club of the same people.

Wait until it's your turn to be excluded because of your age.

I am going to take really good care of myself so I can see that.

[spring_chicken]

Mercy!



Wait until it's your turn to be excluded because of your age.

I am going to take really good care of myself so I can see that.

I am already excluded from things because of my age. I just find things to do that make me happy instead of whining on a message board about it.

[manaboutown]

I am already excluded from things because of my age. I just find things to do that make me happy instead of whining on a message board about it.

Me, too. I am 76.

The under 60s are newcomers to their senior years. They can get together, make new friends who are likely to live another 20 - 30 or more years, discuss how they will insure medically until they hit 65 and can get Medicare, stay up late, party hardy, drive at night, even drive all night, travel for mountain climbing, sky diving, scuba or the like. God bless them. Life is a series of phases. May everyone get the most enjoyment possible from where they are in life.

[Mortal1]

Can you NOT seriously think of this as a housing project now(unlike any other by the way)with over 100, 000 residents? Sheesh!

[graciegirl]

Can you NOT seriously think of this as a housing project now(unlike any other by the way)with over 100, 000 residents? Sheesh!

The Villages? A housing project?

This is lower Paradise. This place has the amassed wisdom of thousands of people who have lived more than five decades. This place has the highest credit rating of any place in this country. We have successful people here and humor and so much artistic talent and creativity too. Artists and musicians and scientists and business CEO's and people who have raised incredible children and started or chaired all kinds of useful projects across this country.

A HOUSING PROJECT? Holy bowlegged sarah!!!!

[asianthree]

Can you NOT seriously think of this as a housing project now(unlike any other by the way)with over 100, 000 residents? Sheesh!

A community with some homes can sell for up to 1.9 million, gives new meaning to Housing Project

[billethkid]

Can you NOT seriously think of this as a housing project now(unlike any other by the way)with over 100, 000 residents? Sheesh!


Housing project?
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tomwed]

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

[JoMar]

Can you NOT seriously think of this as a housing project now(unlike any other by the way)with over 100, 000 residents? Sheesh!

Noooooo.....I have seen housing projects and this isn't a housing project.

[jedalton]

For some of us it already has lost the initial sparkle. I purchased near Spanish Springs the year Lake Sumter opened. I picked SS because I liked the feel of the square, Katie Belles, and Church on the Square. My main hobby is music. The population has more than tripled and the "friendliest hometown" feeling has disappeared for me along with two of my favorite venues. Also as with most items the first experiences are the best and as familiarity sets in some of the small warts become more visible. I am not saying that I don't like it here any more just not quite as much as in the beginning. And I know the critics are coming at me now so "no I don't know of a better place".

I suspect with most people "will the character be lost" is a reference to the time at which they moved here. Like me for some it already has. Carpe Diem

It has been lost for me. Built in 2005 and loved the church on the square, and especially Katie Belles. Even more when Katie Belles was for residents only. Still love it here but just not as much now

[billethkid]

It has been lost for me. Built in 2005 and loved the church on the square, and especially Katie Belles. Even more when Katie Belles was for residents only. Still love it here but just not as much now

The inference, as I read it, is that something has changed to make it like less now than day one.

However, like most things, with familiarity comes the risk of boredom/ho hum/not as fun/etc. So even if TV was today exactly as it was on day one you would still not like it as much as day one.

For some of us all we can say is TV has improved each and every year since our day one....15 years and counting.

Our basis for comparison is all national brands of retail/restaurants and shopping locations that would not be here if TV stayed at 35,000 (15 years ago).

More traffic? Yes. More people? Yes.
The trade off we now have more of everything (pretty general I know!).

And no matter how familiar or bored some can become....TV is better than where we came from.....and better than most places one can elect to retire into!!!

[tomwed]

It has been lost for me. Built in 2005 and loved the church on the square, and especially Katie Belles. Even more when Katie Belles was for residents only. Still love it here but just not as much nowDo you remember what those little concerts in the church cost? I remember it was less then a movie. I always wondered what the entertainer was paid. Both place were a unique venue.