Should golf carts only be allowed in the town squares ?

[rustyp]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

The pros
- Two to four times the amount of parking Vs. cars
- Safer by not parking next to a SUV and blindly backing out into traffic
- Allows more people in the squares for entertainment. People will sit in golf carts and watch the entertainment
- Safer by eliminating large amount tourist/rubbernecker from cruising the block.
- Gives residents a perk for buying here but still does not eliminate outsiders in "public area"

The cons
- Eliminates handicap car parking (however a shuttle could be implemented like at The Villages Hospital for the surrounding parking lots)
- Is it legal to segregate public streets ? (I say yes. It is done all the time for parades, cruise in nights, etc.)

Any constructive opinions ? Do you think the yearly resident survey would call any attention to this ?

[tomwed]

For the shuttle we could use the autonomous taxis.

[Wiotte]

Better to eliminate all motorized vehicles altogether and allow pedestrian traffic only. The vibe would be that much nicer.


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[billethkid]

The current vehicular use/profile of the town squares has worked just fine for all these years.

Just exactly what issue is being presented to be solved/resolved.....instead of the shopping list of pros and cons.

[rustyp]

The current vehicular use/profile of the town squares has worked just fine for all these years.

Just exactly what issue is being presented to be solved/resolved.....instead of the shopping list of pros and cons.

Were you here when the resident was killed by the car that plowed into the square ?

[photo1902]

Were you here when the resident was killed by the car that plowed into the square ?

Are you referring to the incident which occurred over 16 years ago?

[Bavarian]

Limiting to Golf Carts only is a good start But Pedestians use only should be the goal. Maybe certain hours only like afternoon into Evening.

[VillageIdiots]

Any constructive opinions ? Do you thing the yearly resident survey would call any attention to this ?

:popcorn:

[Bogie Shooter]

Things are fine the way they are.

[njbchbum]

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Ask a retailer on the square!!!

[Villagevip]

But, but eliminating golf carts from the squares is blasphemy..The very symbol of the The Villages!

[Mleeja]

The design of the streets into the squares do not allow for vehicular, or any traffic, to be closed off. Everything is funneled to the squares. Leave it alone. Some people actually like “cruising” the squares. Must ring back thoughts of simpler times.

[villagetinker]

Remember these are COUNTY roads, we cannot do anything, the county would need to make this change. IMHO, eliminating cars might create more problems, but interesting discussion.

[DonH57]

Remember these are COUNTY roads, we cannot do anything, the county would need to make this change. IMHO, eliminating cars might create more problems, but interesting discussion.

Exactly. I agree.

[Chi-Town]

Valet parking would eliminate cruising the square for a spot. As crowds continue to grow valet parking should be revisited. It sure makes life easier in any tough to park close situation.

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[NotGolfer]

We try to not go to the squares....especially during high season due to the crowds/traffic. Well in the late afternoons into the evenings that is. WAY too congested. Pedestrians just walk without checking for vehicles 1st. Vehicles change lanes w'out signaling and just doing their own thing.

[coconutmama]

Things are fine the way they are.

Agreed. "Golf carts only" is discriminatory to the Squares that are open to the public, and to those who are handicapped & may not have a cart.

[DonH57]

We try to not go to the squares....especially during high season due to the crowds/traffic. Well in the late afternoons into the evenings that is. WAY too congested. Pedestrians just walk without checking for vehicles 1st. Vehicles change lanes w'out signaling and just doing their own thing.

True. So many just walking out into the street between vehicles or engrossed in their cell phones. Actually this behavior is villages wide.

[Miles42]

things are fine. the only reasonable alternative IMO foot traffic only. If you think car owners should walk then you should park your cart and do the same.

[billethkid]

We try to not go to the squares....especially during high season due to the crowds/traffic. Well in the late afternoons into the evenings that is. WAY too congested. Pedestrians just walk without checking for vehicles 1st. Vehicles change lanes w'out signaling and just doing their own thing.

The squares like any other popular site in FL (or anywhere else) will be busy/crowded. It is what it is. And most of us who frequent these places don't think venues need to be modified to suit the few. No matter how modified there will always be those who would change it....no matter what.

It gets down to the simple choice to go/attend or not.

[Fredster]

The squares like any other popular site in FL (or anywhere else) will be busy/crowded. It is what it is. And most of us who frequent these places don't think venues need to be modified to suit the few. No matter how modified there will always be those who would change it....no matter what.

It gets down to the simple choice to go/attend or not.

:agree:

[Buffalo Jim]

" The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart. "

The " thought " is gathering momentum where ? Among the same folks who have brought us the new useless weekly activities bulletin ? The folks who seem to be getting their desire to cut back on the flowers realized ? Those folks who have designated themselves the opinion leaders to speak for the majority ?
People move here and then want to reshape everything to their point of view .

[Fredman]

" The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart. "

The " thought " is gathering momentum where ? Among the same folks who have brought us the new useless weekly activities bulletin ? The folks who seem to be getting their desire to cut back on the flowers realized ? Those folks who have designated themselves the opinion leaders to speak for the majority ?
People move here and then want to reshape everything to their point of view .

Amen

[billethkid]

" The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart. "

The " thought " is gathering momentum where ? Among the same folks who have brought us the new useless weekly activities bulletin ? The folks who seem to be getting their desire to cut back on the flowers realized ? Those folks who have designated themselves the opinion leaders to speak for the majority ?
People move here and then want to reshape everything to their point of view .

And the real majority does not do enough in their demands to offset that self designated minority.
It is what is happening across our beloved country.
When all gets said and done even the self designated KNOW they are the minority....and VULNERABLE!!

[JoMar]

There is that entitled attitude again....:)

[Topspinmo]

:I could care less, I rarely go to the square and when I do I park away and walk in:p

[dillywho]

" The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart. "

The " thought " is gathering momentum where ? Among the same folks who have brought us the new useless weekly activities bulletin ? The folks who seem to be getting their desire to cut back on the flowers realized ? Those folks who have designated themselves the opinion leaders to speak for the majority ?
People move here and then want to reshape everything to their point of view .

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

[Wiotte]

And the real majority does not do enough in their demands to offset that self designated minority.

It is what is happening across our beloved country.

When all gets said and done even the self designated KNOW they are the minority....and VULNERABLE!!



The fact that a 51-49 vote signifies a majority-minority whereby the majority gets to dictate to 49% of the population is not only immaturely selfish, it is also sociopathic.


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[ColdNoMore]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

"Seems to be gathering momentum"...by who/whom?


Please explain who/whom you're referencing.

[CFrance]

Valet parking would eliminate cruising the square for a spot. As crowds continue to grow valet parking should be revisited. It sure makes life easier in any tough to park close situation.

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I agree they should try it again. Two things I remember about that "experiment," as it was termed: 1. it raised a big stink from people not wanting those valet spaces taken away, and 2. the experiment was run in the summer when few people were there. So they concluded not enough people used it to make it worthwhile.

BTW, that is a generic "they." I do not remember who conducted this experiment, so I don't know who "they" is.

[CFrance]

"Seems to be gathering momentum"...by who/whom?


Please explain who/whom you're referencing.
What a great way not to end a sentence with a preposition!:wave:

(okay, carry on...)

[skip0358]

Leave the Squares alone. Parking is what it is. First come first parked period. If the Square is full park in a lot and walk period. If you want to beat the Drum on something move the Bus Depot that will free up a few more spots !

[billethkid]

The fact that a 51-49 vote signifies a majority-minority whereby the majority gets to dictate to 49% of the population is not only immaturely selfish, it is also sociopathic.


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As is losing a game by one point or an election by one vote....it is what it is......maybe more accurately what some would like to change to.....used to be!!!

[rustyp]

In general, momentum refers to the force or speed of movement. Momentum is usually defined in three states - acceleration, steady state, and deceleration. No where have I found Momentum being described as a majority, even if by one . I was referring to state one, acceleration. From where ? The local donut shop in SS. Rumor there has it the morning news may conduct a "man on the street" segment at the donut shop. Who knows when this subject will approach state 2. Over 1300 views thus far !

[Jayhawk]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.


You found this info where?

:Screen_of_Death:

[beachbaby]

Not everyone has a golf cart. Unreasonable to restrict to golf carts only!

[ColdNoMore]

What a great way not to end a sentence with a preposition! :wave:

(okay, carry on...)

Well, I was curious and want to know because...the squares can be a good place to be at.



:D

[tomwed]

As my father would't say, this is turning into quite the kerfuffle.

[Chatbrat]

Avoid the squares like the plague--no reason to go there , bad restaurants, and hate crowds

[DigitalGranny]

Golf cart parking only 5-9 pm ?. I would be in favor of limiting the parking in the squares to only golf carts (and bicycles?) during entertainment hours of 5-9 pm. That way, residents can sit in their carts and experience the entertainment and it creates 2-4 times as many spaces as parking cars. Cruising would still be allowed as would dropping off folks. Golf carts are the symbol of The Villages and should be encouraged. Visitors would continue to see this special perk of living in The Villages. Also, it would preserve the best spots for Villagers. There's plenty of parking for cars and trucks behind the buildings. The businesses should love more people being able to park in the square. We should not care much about what residents of other communities think of any change.

[Polar Bear]

Avoid the squares like the plague--no reason to go there , bad restaurants...
Hmmm. I wonder how soooo many people justify it.

[Chatbrat]

Its free

[ColdNoMore]

Its free

And strong, cheap alcohol.

[Chatbrat]

Keeps lots of DUI,lawyers employed

[Polar Bear]

Its free
The "bad restaurants" are free? :popcorn:

[Chatbrat]

The entertainment & BYOB in your cart

[joec3]

No leave it the way it is.

[rustyp]

Car meets Golf Car in The Villages, Fl, July 2, 2009 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8B_65muyOk)

rubbernecking ?

[tomwed]

Car meets Golf Car in The Villages, Fl, July 2, 2009 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8B_65muyOk)

rubbernecking ?good post--something to see

How do they get handicapped patrons to the Sharon from the parking lot. I was off site for a while. Do they have a shuttle or valet service? How is it working out?

[JoMar]

Its free

I suspect some enjoy the restaurants, the entertainment, the ice cream and the social interaction. The great thing about this place is everyone has choices and opinions and we all follow what works for us.....which doesn't work for everyone.

[Bogie Shooter]

good post--something to see

How do they get handicapped patrons to the Sharon from the parking lot. I was off site for a while. Do they have a shuttle or valet service? How is it working out?

It failed, just as predicted right here.

[tomwed]

It failed, just as predicted right here.Did anyone say why it failed? not enough drivers because everyone arrives at the same time, too many drivers because not that many handicapped drivers, too expensive,
thank-you

[yabbadu]

Things are fine the way they are.

AMEN to that !!!!!!:bigbow:

[JoMar]

Did anyone say why it failed? not enough drivers because everyone arrives at the same time, too many drivers because not that many handicapped drivers, too expensive,
thank-you

As with many things Villages, we want it, we want it....HOW MUCH ARE THEY CHARGING....get rid of it, get rid of it.

[Chatbrat]

Was never part of the herd mentality--this is why we will never go on the new cruise ships--used to love the old days when cruises & trans-atlantic were intimate & exclusive

[Jayhawk]

Golf cart parking only 5-9 pm ?. I would be in favor of limiting the parking in the squares to only golf carts (and bicycles?) during entertainment hours of 5-9 pm.

Would you feel differently if you didn't have a cart? I know several folks who don't own one.

[Chatbrat]

Don't own a cart & never will--IMHO--they're death traps , when not on a golf course, which they were designed for

[rustyp]

Would you feel differently if you didn't have a cart? I know several folks who don't own one.

Why can't they park in the parking lots ? That is where 95% of the cars are parked now. Now the handicap issue will come up next. I say there isn't enough parking spots in the entire square to accommodate the amount of placards issued around here - look at the amount of golf carts with handicap sleeves.

[billethkid]

as with many things villages, we want it, we want it....how much are they charging....get rid of it, get rid of it.

bee-eye-en-gee-oh!!!!!!!!

[tomwed]

As with many things Villages, we want it, we want it....HOW MUCH ARE THEY CHARGING....get rid of it, get rid of it.So it failed because it was too expensive. My hunch is that unless the driver and the passenger were both handicapped the driver would drop off the passenger and park and walk back. That's what I have done many times I was pushing a wheelchair for my mother or a baby carriage. Who hasn't.

If the show starts at 7:30 and everyone that wants valet service at arrives at 7pm, how could it succeed?

A good drop off point for the squares is the back of the real estate office in Sumter and Brownwood in the lobby. I don't remember SS. Since everyone arrives randomly, not just before show time it's harder to predict how well a valet would do.

[rustyp]

bee-eye-en-gee-oh!!!!!!!!

OMG IMO there is a shorter way of spelling the game utilizing a card with 5 rows and 5 columns. I love it. That was very clever - kudos !
:coolsmiley:

[justjim]

A taxpayers tourism grant helps pay for the entertainment on the Squares. Taxpayers and tourists drive cars. Secondly, it’s highly unlikely the businesses located there (businesses also help pay for the entertainment)would be in favor of eliminating cars from parking on the Squares. A proposal to have only carts park on the Squares is DOA IMHO.

[rustyp]

A taxpayers tourism grant helps pay for the entertainment on the Squares. Taxpayers and tourists drive cars. Secondly, it’s highly unlikely the businesses located there (businesses also help pay for the entertainment)would be in favor of eliminating cars from parking on the Squares. A proposal to have only carts park on the Squares is DOA IMHO.

If this is the case why isn't there a business rebellion every thursday when half SS town square is shut down for farmers market day ? Every third saturday the entire square plus surrounding block for cruise night (more than the proposal of the four adjacent streets), every parade, every special event, etc, etc. ? By having only golf cart parking on the four adjacent streets as stated in the original post would 2x - 4x increase in parking and more people would sit in carts with a net effect of more people available to shop in their stores.

[Fredster]

I suspect some enjoy the restaurants, the entertainment, the ice cream and the social interaction. The great thing about this place is everyone has choices and opinions and we all follow what works for us.....which doesn't work for everyone.

:agree: I’m so happy there are so many choices in TV!

[Jima64]

Free square entertainment will eventually be gone. Many residents are tired of the hassles over recent years. Take away the cars and you lose customers.

[Gpsma]

Town squares get boring after two months and free entertainment is worth exactly what you pay for it. Golf carts should be encouraged at the town squares....they weigh less and drunks wont do that much damage.

[rustyp]

Free square entertainment will eventually be gone. Many residents are tired of the hassles over recent years. Take away the cars and you lose customers.

That is a very interesting thought Vs what would be the impact on property values. However that is not what this thread is about. You should start another thread. As far as "take away the cars and you lose customers" that is not the proposal. The proposal is to make them park a couple hundred yards further away primarily to increase safety and a few other perks like people who paid a premium to live in this community Vs the cookie cutter retirement communities down the street. In fact the proposal suggest they will be more people visiting the town squares by changing the parking strategy.

[justjim]

Town squares get boring after two months and free entertainment is worth exactly what you pay for it. Golf carts should be encouraged at the town squares....they weigh less and drunks wont do that much damage.

As I remember, several fatalities unfortunately have occurred in golf carts. If you live in Fenney, you can’t get to a Square in a golf Cart. If you live relatively close to a particular Square you might want to take your Cart but it’s a long cart ride from Many northern Villages to,Brownwood and from southern Villages to Spanish Springs. You might consider driving your car to a restaurant :icon_hungry:on The Square or just to listen to your favorite band.

[billethkid]

If this is the case why isn't there a business rebellion every thursday when half SS town square is shut down for farmers market day ? Every third saturday the entire square plus surrounding block for cruise night (more than the proposal of the four adjacent streets), every parade, every special event, etc, etc. ? By having only golf cart parking on the four adjacent streets as stated in the original post would 2x - 4x increase in parking and more people would sit in carts with a net effect of more people available to shop in their stores.

Special events/cruise ins et al/parades bring in the people....fill up the squares....who are not there to go shopping....ask the retailers...

Many who come in cars are not residents of TV. And many of them do go to the squares to shop...if they can find a place to park. The proposal discriminates against the non residents......the squares are not an entitled amenity!

[tophcfa]

Perhaps there should be a compromise, how about having about half of the town square parking (the spots where one can watch a band play from their golf cart) being designated as golf cart only parking spaces. This doesn't stop cars crushing the squares and gives everyone access, but also allows Villages residents more opportunity for better town square parking and event viewing. The only problem I see with this is that if town square seat saving is such a problem, what do you think will happen with parking spot saving? That could get interesting!

[Villagevip]

For the shuttle we could use the autonomous taxis.

You go first.....:popcorn:

[sallybowron]

I am sure the retailers on the squares would hate this idea. I hate this idea. I don't see any reason for it.

[asianthree]

good post--something to see

How do they get handicapped patrons to the Sharon from the parking lot. I was off site for a while. Do they have a shuttle or valet service? How is it working out?

Didn’t the valet service for the Sharon only last a month or so. It was reasonable, but not enough wanted to spend the money

[barbnick]

Eliminate all vehicular traffic in the squares 5 - 9

[tomwed]

Eliminate all vehicular traffic in the squares 5 - 9In NJ when you go to the beach you know that the best parking spots go early. At least that's the way it use to be. So the first time you go down you look for a great spot next to the beach along with many others in bumper to bumper traffic.
The second time you go down you know it's waste of time looking for a great spot so you park a couple of blocks away. I'm sure it's the same where you're from.

I think you are doing new visitors a favor sending them to where the spots are. If you do have someone in the car that needs to be dropped off, drop off behind the real estate office. They can wait inside or out. The staff is very friendly.

I don't think parking restrictions would affect sales negatively.

[Harry Gilbert]

Something not mentioned

The roadways in question are publicly owned (county) in order to convert them over to resident only, which basically what this is about would mean someone taking ownership from the county and providing all upkeep and liability on the new "resident only" sections

[Tall4mom]

Would certainly make it safer during the evening hours.

[tomwed]

Something not mentioned

The roadways in question are publicly owned (county) in order to convert them over to resident only, which basically what this is about would mean someone taking ownership from the county and providing all upkeep and liability on the new "resident only" sections
Talk is cheap [which explains why i talk a lot.]

[bagboy]

Talk is cheap [which explains why i talk a lot.]

...

[rustyp]

Perhaps there should be a compromise, how about having about half of the town square parking (the spots where one can watch a band play from their golf cart) being designated as golf cart only parking spaces. This doesn't stop cars crushing the squares and gives everyone access, but also allows Villages residents more opportunity for better town square parking and event viewing. The only problem I see with this is that if town square seat saving is such a problem, what do you think will happen with parking spot saving? That could get interesting!

An idea with a lot of merit. Although it doesn't solve all issues it would help several. I'd like to piggyback your thought.
Again we are only speaking of the four streets that make the small circle around the squares - not the entire town. Let's not forget the majority of parking for the squares are in the adjacent parking lots.

Make the inside lanes and parking spots that touch the square proper golf cart only. The outside lanes and parking spots for cars. With maximizing handicap spots in that outside area.
- Increases parking spots 2x - 4x factor for the cart spots
- Allows good visibility to sit in cart and observe entertainment
- Better visibility for carts backing out of those new spots. No SUVs to peek around backing out
- Showcases The Square as a golf cart communty
- Everyone still has use of "public roads"
- Will increase vehicle handicap spots and still be in the square

Thanks for being constructive.

[Wing-nut2]

Lets keep both the cars and golf carts and get rid of the dogs.

[JSR22]

Lets keep the dogs and cars and get rid of the golf carts.

[CFrance]

Lets keep the dogs and cars and get rid of the golf carts.
:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[dillywho]

things are fine. the only reasonable alternative IMO foot traffic only. If you think car owners should walk then you should park your cart and do the same.

Foot traffic only would result in many people not being able to go, period. Should only able bodied people be allowed in the squares?

[billethkid]

Considering the current system has worked just fine for the past 15+ years; would someone re-state what the objective of the proposed change is/was to accomplish?

[joldnol]

Don’t close the streets. Make parking on the street at the squares handicapped and carts only

[justjim]

Considering the current system has worked just fine for the past 15+ years; would someone re-state what the objective of the proposed change is/was to accomplish?

Good question. :ho:

[njbchbum]

Why do folks move here for and because of the lifestyle...and then want to change it?

[billethkid]

Why do folks move here for and because of the lifestyle...and then want to change it?

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

[tomwed]

I think that's how some people are built. It doesn't matter if it's food, clothing or shelter. There mind is always working, asking how can I make this even better. I wonder if they would have ended up here if that creative spark was missing. I think it keeps you young.

[rustyp]

:popcorn:Considering the current system has worked just fine for the past 15+ years; would someone re-state what the objective of the proposed change is/was to accomplish?

:read:

[njbchbum]

I think that's how some people are built. It doesn't matter if it's food, clothing or shelter. There mind is always working, asking how can I make this even better. I wonder if they would have ended up here if that creative spark was missing. I think it keeps you young.

Now that thought makes me wonder why so many folks criticize the "creative spark" of the developers! ;)

[tomwed]

Now that thought makes me wonder why so many folks criticize the "creative spark" of the developers! ;)I couldn't agree more.
My folks lived in a Retirement community in Whiting outside of Tom's River. You probably know it. Management brainstormed bingo once a week in the clubhouse and it stopped there.
I appreciate everything this retirement community offers.

[ColdNoMore]

Why do folks move here for and because of the lifestyle...and then want to change it?

The flip side of that would be why some folks...are so resistant to any change?

Even a great place like we have here...is not completely perfect to everyone.

If someone thinks it could be improved, then they should be allowed to say so... without instantly being jumped on.

Just as those opposed to a particular suggestion...should be able to express such.

If the majority, or more accurately The Developer, doesn't agree...then it probably ain't gonna happen. :D

[tomwed]

The flip side of that would be why some folks...are so resistant to any change?

Even a great place like we have here...is not completely perfect to everyone.

If someone thinks it could be improved, then they should be allowed to say so... without instantly being jumped on.

Just as those opposed to a particular suggestion...should be able to express such.

If the majority, or more accurately The Developer, doesn't agree...then it probably ain't gonna happen. :Dwell said

[barbnick]

I agree

[graciegirl]

The flip side of that would be why some folks...are so resistant to any change?

Even a great place like we have here...is not completely perfect to everyone.

If someone thinks it could be improved, then they should be allowed to say so... without instantly being jumped on.

Just as those opposed to a particular suggestion...should be able to express such.

If the majority, or more accurately The Developer, doesn't agree...then it probably ain't gonna happen. :D

Realistic and fair assessment.

[bob47]

The flip side of that would be why some folks...are so resistant to any change?

Even a great place like we have here...is not completely perfect to everyone.

If someone thinks it could be improved, then they should be allowed to say so... without instantly being jumped on.

Just as those opposed to a particular suggestion...should be able to express such.

If the majority, or more accurately The Developer, doesn't agree...then it probably ain't gonna happen. :D

Perfectly said. Most engineers will say that better is the mortal enemy of good. That's why there is progress.

[graciegirl]

The reason why it is not feasible is that people from outside the community, visitors, and people who don't own a golf cart are a good part of those frequenting the businesses on the squares and spending money. The businesses on the squares rent there in order to make money and cutting off their revenue in a significant way is not a good idea. It is the businesses on the squares that pay for the nightly entertainment. The Entertainment entity is no longer owned by The Villages, the Morse family.

BUT, The Squares are OWNED by the developer.

[Polar Bear]

Imo, limiting the squares to golf carts greatly reduces the number of people who come to the squares. It’s that simple, and that alone makes it almost a certainty that it won’t happen.

[karostay]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

The pros
- Two to four times the amount of parking Vs. cars
- Safer by not parking next to a SUV and blindly backing out into traffic
- Allows more people in the squares for entertainment. People will sit in golf carts and watch the entertainment
- Safer by eliminating large amount tourist/rubbernecker from cruising the block.
- Gives residents a perk for buying here but still does not eliminate outsiders in "public area"

The cons
- Eliminates handicap car parking (however a shuttle could be implemented like at The Villages Hospital for the surrounding parking lots)
- Is it legal to segregate public streets ? (I say yes. It is done all the time for parades, cruise in nights, etc.)

Any constructive opinions ? Do you think the yearly resident survey would call any attention to this ?


Yes along with
No pets
No seat saving
No Smoking
Unless it's on the opposite side of the street

[EdFNJ]

Imo, limiting the squares to golf carts greatly reduces the number of people who come to the squares. It’s that simple, and that alone makes it almost a certainty that it won’t happen.



There are multiple huge parking lots in back of all the squares plus the side streets . They could park cars there. Just keep the 4 sides of the square for GC’s. Never gonna happen but that wouldn’t be so terrible. IMO

[ColdNoMore]

Perfectly said. Most engineers will say that better is the mortal enemy of good. That's why there is progress.

Yep! :thumbup:

[thomp679]

I will support this idea. However, as a concession, we will need to ban golf carts from Publix grocery stores and strip malls.

[yabbadu]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

The pros
- Two to four times the amount of parking Vs. cars
- Safer by not parking next to a SUV and blindly backing out into traffic
- Allows more people in the squares for entertainment. People will sit in golf carts and watch the entertainment
- Safer by eliminating large amount tourist/rubbernecker from cruising the block.
- Gives residents a perk for buying here but still does not eliminate outsiders in "public area"

The cons
- Eliminates handicap car parking (however a shuttle could be implemented like at The Villages Hospital for the surrounding parking lots)
- Is it legal to segregate public streets ? (I say yes. It is done all the time for parades, cruise in nights, etc.)

Any constructive opinions ? Do you think the yearly resident survey would call any attention to this ?

Why do people want to fix what is not broke?:coolsmiley:

[tomwed]

I'm looking at the new autonomous Club Car. It can drop me off at the movies, park itself and come get me when the movie's over. It's named Hi-O Silver but I don't know why.

[ColdNoMore]

I'm looking at the new autonomous Club Car. It can drop me off at the movies, park itself and come get me when the movie's over. It's named Hi-O Silver but I don't know why.

:D


The service for the more elderly is called...Hi-O Bluehair.


:1rotfl:

[Buffalo Jim]

Why do people want to fix what is not broke?:coolsmiley:

Because "THEY" know what is best for everyone and bit by bit THEY are determined to chip away at a community which has worked very well until it is unrecognizable .

[SCOTT NAR]

I believe this would be a very good idea. It would definitely be a whole lot safer.I have seen 2 accidents and I have only been down there (SUMTER)maybe 5 times. No one was hurt but that is besides the point. It was a SUV backing up into a cart that was waiting traffic to go and the SUV of course could not see or here them yelling frantically and blowing the horn. The other was a SUV AGAIN blocking the view so of course you have to back out to see around these things and he was hit by GUESS WHAT? A SUV.I think this would be the best idea I heard in a while. Why should we have to deal with these people when we live here and most of them do not. The safety of us VILLAGERS is a heck of a lot more important than entertaining people that live outside The Villages. Let them find entertainment where they live.I have also seen some shady people around a lot lately in Spanish Springs Sumter etc. I live close to the new WAL MART and have seen many people hanging around the pool/mail area.They of course have no id.They just go right through the gate any time they please.Which is a whole other problem that needs to be addressed.
Sorry I went off on a tangent but there are things that need fixing and I believe this issue is extremely important. I guess we will wait for someone to get killed and then maybe something will be done.

[SCOTT NAR]

Limiting to Golf Carts only is a good start But Pedestians use only should be the goal. Maybe certain hours only like afternoon into Evening.

Handicapped residents and also people that cant walk far and need their cart to sit in and watch/listen to the entertainment.What do they do? That is a ridiculous idea, in less you just want to forget about those people.I don't think so!

[graciegirl]

sigh

[billethkid]

I believe this would be a very good idea. It would definitely be a whole lot safer.I have seen 2 accidents and I have only been down there (SUMTER)maybe 5 times. No one was hurt but that is besides the point. It was a SUV backing up into a cart that was waiting traffic to go and the SUV of course could not see or here them yelling frantically and blowing the horn. The other was a SUV AGAIN blocking the view so of course you have to back out to see around these things and he was hit by GUESS WHAT? A SUV.I think this would be the best idea I heard in a while. Why should we have to deal with these people when we live here and most of them do not. The safety of us VILLAGERS is a heck of a lot more important than entertaining people that live outside The Villages. Let them find entertainment where they live.I have also seen some shady people around a lot lately in Spanish Springs Sumter etc. I live close to the new WAL MART and have seen many people hanging around the pool/mail area.They of course have no id.They just go right through the gate any time they please.Which is a whole other problem that needs to be addressed.
Sorry I went off on a tangent but there are things that need fixing and I believe this issue is extremely important. I guess we will wait for someone to get killed and then maybe something will be done.

OMG!!!!!!
Somehow the other 99.8% of us have managed just fine with the current system......for the last 20++ years!!!!!

[John_W]

...I have also seen some shady people around a lot lately in Spanish Springs Sumter etc. I live close to the new WAL MART and have seen many people hanging around the pool/mail area.They of course have no id.They just go right through the gate any time they please.

On TV VCDD website it states one of the job functions of 'community watch' is;

Check Villages Resident ID Cards and perform security checks at the neighborhood pools throughout the day and secure the pools at dusk every night.
So for future reference Community Watch is Phone: 352-753-0550

As far as not allowing cars at the squares, I've lived here for 7 years and never drive my golf cart for anything other than what it's intended to do, go to the golf course, play a round of golf and then drive home. All other times I drive my car, it's air conditioned, has XM Radio, faster, safer, and I'm not limited to where I may also want to go.

[JSR22]

On TV VCDD website it states one of the job functions of 'community watch' is;

Check Villages Resident ID Cards and perform security checks at the neighborhood pools throughout the day and secure the pools at dusk every night.
So for future reference Community Watch is Phone: 352-753-0550

As far as not allowing cars at the squares, I've lived here for 7 years and never drive my golf cart for anything other than what it's intended to do, go to the golf course, play a round of golf and then drive home. All other times I drive my car, it's air conditioned, has XM Radio, faster, safer, and I'm not limited to where I may also want to go.

I agree with you. My husband uses the cart 3 days a week to play golf. We each have our own car and never use the golf cart for anything but golf.

[CFrance]

I believe this would be a very good idea. It would definitely be a whole lot safer.I have seen 2 accidents and I have only been down there (SUMTER)maybe 5 times. No one was hurt but that is besides the point. It was a SUV backing up into a cart that was waiting traffic to go and the SUV of course could not see or here them yelling frantically and blowing the horn. The other was a SUV AGAIN blocking the view so of course you have to back out to see around these things and he was hit by GUESS WHAT? A SUV.I think this would be the best idea I heard in a while. Why should we have to deal with these people when we live here and most of them do not. The safety of us VILLAGERS is a heck of a lot more important than entertaining people that live outside The Villages. Let them find entertainment where they live.I have also seen some shady people around a lot lately in Spanish Springs Sumter etc. I live close to the new WAL MART and have seen many people hanging around the pool/mail area.They of course have no id.They just go right through the gate any time they please.Which is a whole other problem that needs to be addressed.
Sorry I went off on a tangent but there are things that need fixing and I believe this issue is extremely important. I guess we will wait for someone to get killed and then maybe something will be done.
I'm stunned, frankly. So many statements/accusations with no supporting facts. Such vitriol. I don't really believe you are sorry you went on a tangent. If you truly were, you could have hit the edit button.

[BobnBev]

Saw an accident last night at LSL between 2 carts. It was being investigated by the Florida Highway Patrol......State Trooper. I guess the Sheriffs were busy elsewhere.

[banjobob]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

The pros
- Two to four times the amount of parking Vs. cars
- Safer by not parking next to a SUV and blindly backing out into traffic
- Allows more people in the squares for entertainment. People will sit in golf carts and watch the entertainment
- Safer by eliminating large amount tourist/rubbernecker from cruising the block.
- Gives residents a perk for buying here but still does not eliminate outsiders in "public area"

The cons
- Eliminates handicap car parking (however a shuttle could be implemented like at The Villages Hospital for the surrounding parking lots)
- Is it legal to segregate public streets ? (I say yes. It is done all the time for parades, cruise in nights, etc.)

Any constructive opinions ? Do you think the yearly resident survey would call any attention to this ?
I am not sure there is a problem parking is an issue at the squares , if autos are banned the parking would still be a problem with golf carts parking

[ColdNoMore]

If autos were banned in the squares, a very magical moment for us... would have never happened.

While we had seen the extremely corny (and a bit irritating) television commercials advertising TV, it wasn't until driving along 466, seeing all of the golf cart headlights bouncing along on the MMP and then looking across Lake Sumter and seeing the lights at the square...that we decided to personally investigate.

Parking right at the square, getting out of the car on a beautiful evening, hearing the music, seeing all of the people dancing and enjoying themselves...became the magical moment when we fell in love with The Villages.

A couple of month-long rentals within the next 12 months solidified the choice...that we needed to move here. :thumbup:

It will be six years next week...that we moved in.

And while we have never regretted the choice, that's not to say every single thing is perfect...but we are definitely 'Frogs.' :cool:

[barriemack]

Yes!

[bilcon]

Better to eliminate all motorized vehicles altogether and allow pedestrian traffic only. The vibe would be that much nicer.


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Where do you plan to put all the golf carts and cars?
How about residents only downtown. We do pay for the upkeep of the area, don't we?

[Robert56]

Bad idea.

[Wavy Chips]

Sounds like a solution in search of a problem . . . .

[willbush]

Sorry about the person killed but this can happen anywhere including parking lots;no cars in square area only would allow more parking for golf carts;plenty of parking behind each square all within walking distance;good exercise walking a little further;can have handicap parking close to squares in each parking area which would be fairly close to each main square area;of course if it's worked for years do we need to change it?

[toeser]

The system works. Everyone thinks they have a better idea that favors their point of view. It's like the trail system. Golf cart drivers want to ban pedestrians and bikers. Pedestrians would like to ban bikers and golf carts, and on it goes.

The free concerts are supported by business. Business is supported by people who can get there. Some people need a car, some can use golf carts, and some walk. It works, leave it alone.

[sharkdiver]

Interesting idea but what about those residents that do not have a golf cart? Just because this is listed as a golf cart accessible community does not mean a golf cart is required to buy a property in The Villages. Would that not be discrimination against those residents that chose not to buy a golf cart? Also the comment by njbchbum is correct. You would never get the retailers to agree and if forced on them, they would leave, creating a tax vacuum. Can you close the roads off for special events? Yes, you can, but you can't close a public street off permanently unless you make them pedestrian traffic only and then fire and police, emergency services, etc. would still need access.

[billethkid]

The merry go round sounds like it is increasing in speed!!

[Mwfontan]

I question whether this is really a thought which is "gaining momentum". How can a thought do that?

I also don't think this would be especially popular, although there would be some positive benefits.

[Nancy Mandigo]

Allow cars on one side. Eg. in front of the Sharon in SS.

[TomKaren]

Worth exploring but probably difficult to implement.

[jedalton]

sounds like a great idea to me

[jedalton]

I have been here since 2005 and don't know anyone who doesn't have a golf cart?

[nabrush]

Great idea!

[JSR22]

I have been here since 2005 and don't know anyone who doesn't have a golf cart?

I know quite a few people who do not have carts. They do not play golf and are happy using their cars.

[BekaJayne]

I've been saying this since moving into The Villages in 2007. I agree with all the Pros! :)

[FromNY]

Better yet have one side Golf cart only parking.This way cars can park easier. Not everyone who uses the squares has a golf cart.

[JWinATL]

I think pedestrian-only use should be implemented between 5-9. There is sufficient off-site parking for both golf carts and cars.

[Deter1]

Would like to see elimination of CAR parking at the Squares, so more folks can participate from their golf carts, especially handicap Villagers. That being said, we have a significant amount of visitors and like to show off the Squares - the Life Style, so would still allow cars to circle the squares with the visitors, but not park.

[aviator]

We parked behind the sales office at Sumter Landing, and then walked through the sales office to the square. We enjoyed entertainment and dance all night and at 9 we picked up our items, and proceeded to walk through the sale Center back to our vehicle. Lo and behold the sales Center doors were locked by 9 Sharp. We then had to proceed to walk around the building from either direction up the sidewalk at least a block to get into the parking lot and then across the entire parking lot over curbs and through shrub beds, to reach our vehicle. I was truly impressed at how convenient this was. And I didn't see any other Old Timers or handicapped people doing the same thing. Matter of fact there were no golf carts back there either.

[rustyp]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

The pros
- Two to four times the amount of parking Vs. cars
- Safer by not parking next to a SUV and blindly backing out into traffic
- Allows more people in the squares for entertainment. People will sit in golf carts and watch the entertainment
- Safer by eliminating large amount tourist/rubbernecker from cruising the block.
- Gives residents a perk for buying here but still does not eliminate outsiders in "public area"

The cons
- Eliminates handicap car parking (however a shuttle could be implemented like at The Villages Hospital for the surrounding parking lots)
- Is it legal to segregate public streets ? (I say yes. It is done all the time for parades, cruise in nights, etc.)

Any constructive opinions ? Do you think the yearly resident survey would call any attention to this ?

FYI - I am the original poster. Notice I listed pros and cons. I also did not say what my own preference is. The purpose was to have as the post requests constructive opinions. So far the my way or the highway far outweighs any the brainstorming. Got to love social media.

[shortsaler]

The goal should be only foot traffic in the squares. Every vehicle is treated equally in my opinion. If necessary specific high traffic areas can be restricted during those hours.

[Villager3114]

I have suggested this on the yearly surveys for years and until this post I was not aware any one else thought this was a good idea. I think the big hurdle will be that the Villages don't own the roads as they are maintained by the county so they can't legally close them. My understanding that is why we only have token gates for show and not truly a gated community. Still a great idea!

[billethkid]

I have suggested this on the yearly surveys for years and until this post I was not aware any one else thought this was a good idea. I think the big hurdle will be that the Villages don't own the roads as they are maintained by the county so they can't legally close them. My understanding that is why we only have token gates for show and not truly a gated community. Still a great idea!

TV was never intended to be a "truly gated community".
I doubt there is a truly gated community in existence on the scale of TV.

Most folks do not know what a truly gated community really is or the cost associated with maintaining it as such.

[Dennys37Packard]

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it

[Polar Bear]

...we only have token gates for show and not truly a gated community...
You're right of course that TV is not truly a gated community. But the gates are far more than simply token gates for show.

[Misbehavin22]

I own 2 homes in TV and choose not to have a golf cart for several reasons, none of which matter for this discussion. Are you trying to say I can't drive to the town squares? Simply learn to drive your golf cart properly and you'll have no problems. When you get right down to it, licensed autos have the right to drive on public roads, not unlicensed golf carts.

[BarbaraLoveMoss]

I would like for no changes to be made regarding motorized vehicles being allowed to drive around the squares. Not everyone owns a golf cart, and not everyone is able to walk without pain all around the squares. Just leave the rules as they are and just take more care when you are walking or driving a golf cart.

[emb2458]

Not everyone owns a golf cart. Somebody always complaining about something

[bebemary]

How about a parking garage on more than one level? Back behind the movie theatre.

We need a multi level parking garage behind movie in Spanish Springs. Too many cars/carts and not enough parking.

[billethkid]

How about a parking garage on more than one level? Back behind the movie theatre.

We need a multi level parking garage behind movie in Spanish Springs. Too many cars/carts and not enough parking.

There goes the neighborhood and designed ambiance that has worked just fine all these years.

Are you willing to pay higher amenity fees or pay for use of the parking garage? $$$$$$$$$$$$ with little or no return on investment.

[cajonjoe]

Having golf carts only at the Spanish Springs town square makes sense in addition to reasons put forth, there is adequate parking for autos at the Publix lot, behind Toojay,s and behind the Rialto theater

[ieck413]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

The pros
- Two to four times the amount of parking Vs. cars
- Safer by not parking next to a SUV and blindly backing out into traffic
- Allows more people in the squares for entertainment. People will sit in golf carts and watch the entertainment
- Safer by eliminating large amount tourist/rubbernecker from cruising the block.
- Gives residents a perk for buying here but still does not eliminate outsiders in "public area"

The cons
- Eliminates handicap car parking (however a shuttle could be implemented like at The Villages Hospital for the surrounding parking lots)
- Is it legal to segregate public streets ? (I say yes. It is done all the time for parades, cruise in nights, etc.)

Any constructive opinions ? Do you think the yearly resident survey would call any attention to this ?
I do not own a golf cart, always park in the lots of the town squares. So this is something that I would continue to do. However, we have some friends that are not able to walk long distances, so if this change was made, then there would need to be a shuttle from the lots to the squares.

[Pamela Sloan]

Its fine the way it is. A lot of us 'older folks' cant walk very far and it would restrict participation at the Squares. As the saying goes, if it isn't broke, don't try to fix it.

[txfan]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

Or an alternative could be to ban golf carts from the squares allowing only automobiles. Fewer cars means less congestion. Less congestion means less risk of accidents. Fewer accidents leads to lower insurance costs. Lower insurance costs means more cash in pocket. More cash in pocket means more to spend in the businesses. Besides, there is plenty of golf cart parking behind the buildings.
:boom:

[dadoiron]

If any changes were made to the squares I'd rather see a complete ban on smoking.

[brookesil]

We are OK with a mix of carts and cars. For sure don't eliminate the golf carts as we purchased this year because of the golf cart accessibility to all of the Villages. We're OK with a survey to see what others think.

[twiceis]

The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

The pros
- Two to four times the amount of parking Vs. cars
- Safer by not parking next to a SUV and blindly backing out into traffic
- Allows more people in the squares for entertainment. People will sit in golf carts and watch the entertainment
- Safer by eliminating large amount tourist/rubbernecker from cruising the block.
- Gives residents a perk for buying here but still does not eliminate outsiders in "public area"

The cons
- Eliminates handicap car parking (however a shuttle could be implemented like at The Villages Hospital for the surrounding parking lots)
- Is it legal to segregate public streets ? (I say yes. It is done all the time for parades, cruise in nights, etc.)

Any constructive opinions ? Do you think the yearly resident survey would call any attention to this ?
Great idea.....they could designate a certain number of spaces for handicapped (or both cars and carts). The streets around the square and those leading up to the squares should be for carts only. Cars should use the parking lots. That would make The Villages truly a golf cart community!

[BobnBev]

Something fishy about all these 1st time posters.:ohdear:

[JSR22]

Great idea.....they could designate a certain number of spaces for handicapped (or both cars and carts). The streets around the square and those leading up to the squares should be for carts only. Cars should use the parking lots. That would make The Villages truly a golf cart community!

There are plenty of people who live in TV who do not have a golf and people who only use their cart for golf. Why penalize them?

[Johnny2Ball]

I got an idea. How about we restrict the roads around the square to automobiles only, no golf carts. That would make it much safer for many reasons. I for one get annoyed with all the golf carts zooming around and pulling in and out and jamming up traffic around the squares. Golf cart drivers could park in the big parking lots behind the buildings and we could run shuttles for the golf cart people to and from the squares. How's that sound???? Just as silly right!!!!! We drive our car to and from the squares especially to enjoy the nightly entertainment. Why should the golf cart folks get special treatment????? Some of you folks need to get a life and stop trying to fix something that AIN'T BROKE!!!! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!!!!

[davem4616]

please, get a life will ya...the golf carts are as much, if not more, of a hazard to us in the squares than the automobiles are...

[BarryD]

It sounds like a person with a golf car who wants to change the rules to his advantage. Others may not have a golf car. Others may want air conditioning on hot nights and have places to go before or after. Others may not like driving golf cars when it is raining or they're coming from far away. Whatever.
As asked above, what problem are you trying to solve?

[riamd1954]

:bigbow:The thought of golf carts only in the Town Squares seems to be gathering some momentum . It has been suggested that the four streets which make up the squares be accessible only by golf cart.

The pros
- Two to four times the amount of parking Vs. cars
- Safer by not parking next to a SUV and blindly backing out into traffic
- Allows more people in the squares for entertainment. People will sit in golf carts and watch the entertainment
- Safer by eliminating large amount tourist/rubbernecker from cruising the block.
- Gives residents a perk for buying here but still does not eliminate outsiders in "public area"

The cons
- Eliminates handicap car parking (however a shuttle could be implemented like at The Villages Hospital for the surrounding parking lots)
- Is it legal to segregate public streets ? (I say yes. It is done all the time for parades, cruise in nights, etc.)

Any constructive opinions ? Do you think the yearly resident survey would call any attention to this ?

[riamd1954]

Great idea ������

[Tall4mom]

Some one was hit this year. Golf carts only is a good idea during concerts.

[ColdNoMore]

Wow, it seems to me that there have been a lot of folks who created an account previously, but have almost no posts...have come out of the woodwork to comment on this one subject. :oops:


Sure makes me wonder. :ohdear:

[maxfl1]

"Golf carts only" would make an awesome visual....and, accentuates the fact that we are a golf cart community. That's my vote!

[VApeople]

accentuates the fact that we are a golf cart community.

I don't think we are a golf cart community. Any time a golf cart and a car are vying for the same road, the car has the right-of-way.

[Steve Mosher]

1. You still can have designated golf cart handicap parking.
2. Perhaps just the parking around the square adjacent to the square. Parking across the street be left for both cars and carts.
3. Allow vendors on market night 1 spot for a vehicle and open up the others to golf carts.

[Buffalo Jim]

1. You still can have designated golf cart handicap parking.
2. Perhaps just the parking around the square adjacent to the square. Parking across the street be left for both cars and carts.
3. Allow vendors on market night 1 spot for a vehicle and open up the others to golf carts.

Of course we all know that 100% of those " Handicap Parking " tags are 100 % Legit . Anyone who has an MD in their family can easily get one .

Rarely see a person who appears to be in the least handicapped emerging from their vehicles as they whip into their special parking spots .

[ColdNoMore]

Of course we all know that 100% of those " Handicap Parking " tags are 100 % Legit . Anyone who has an MD in their family can easily get one .

Rarely see a person who appears to be in the least handicapped emerging from their vehicles as they whip into their special parking spots .

While some people obviously abuse the handicap parking tag/sticker system, there are a LOT of legitimate handicaps...that ARE NOT VISIBLE to others. :ohdear:

My wife would/should have utilized one during a tough physical issue occasion, but eschewed doing so...just to avoid such judgemental observations.

She also suffered...due to it. :(

[dadoiron]

How about getting rid of the smokers.

[ColdNoMore]

Wow, it seems to me that there have been a lot of folks who created an account previously, but have almost no posts...have come out of the woodwork to comment on this one subject. :oops:


Sure makes me wonder. :ohdear:

I don't recall ever seeing so many posters, who have been members for years according to the info in the upper right...but haven't hardly posted anything until now. :oops:


I wonder what it is about this thread...that brought them out? :confused:

[billethkid]

"Golf carts only" would make an awesome visual....and, accentuates the fact that we are a golf cart community. That's my vote!

We are a community that has a lot of golf carts. We are not a golf cart community. We have a lot of golf carts where people use golf carts to do and go places other than the golf course. That does not make us a golf cart community.
We have even more automobiles than golf carts. Does that make us an automobile community?
More people use automobiles to do things and go places than golf carts. Does that make us an automobile community?

Just funnin' above. However it should challenge the logic being used.

I too am curious how this thread is inundated with new, many first time posters. How does that happen?

[tomwed]

[QUOTE=billethkid;1541934
I too am curious how this thread is inundated with new, many first time posters. How does that happen?[/QUOTE]
I noticed that too. Are there more 2 golf carts, 1 car residents or the opposite, not that it matters?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'd have no problem with this. I'd also like to see market nights eliminated or if they insist on having them, don't shut off the parking spaces for the vendors. Let the vendors come in early and temporarily shut down the spaces, then open them up again once they are set up. They could also set up on the opposite side of the sidewalk if they think that having golf carts parked behind them is a problem.

Market nights attract the biggest crowds and they create the fewest parking spots. Too many people have to walk from the back lots to the square. By making the squares golf cart only and not closing down the spots for market night, a lot fewer people would be inconvenienced.

[salgent]

I strongly believe that there are to many golf carts and to many speeders, and drunk drivers. Have your beer after your Golf game if necessary. I realize parking would be a problem however plenty of additional parking can be found.
After almost being killed as a passenger in a golf cart on the trail during the day just imagine residents driving all day after a few drinks. Let them take their cars and watch how quickly many will get DUIs. Try it for a while and see what materializes.

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=rustyp;1531430]The thought of golf carts only in n nights, etc.)

Any constructive opinions ? Do you think the yearly resident


Hi, while looking at carts, how abut an ID number on a cart so the crazy and wild Happy Hours bandits can be reported???
Also. how about some monitoring on the golf paths, the MMP paths due to the speeding and the crazy antics that go on?

bbbbbb :pepper2: :pepper2:

[Chi33]

Just leave it as it is. Police and city know what they are doing, and if there are problems in the area, they will address it.

[Buffalo Jim]

While some people obviously abuse the handicap parking tag/sticker system, there are a LOT of legitimate handicaps...that ARE NOT VISIBLE to others. :ohdear:

My wife would/should have utilized one during a tough physical issue occasion, but eschewed doing so...just to avoid such judgemental observations.

She also suffered...due to it. :(

Yes and my comment was not a sweeping condemnation . It was sarcasm directed at the many who are clearly abusing the situation .
Why so ultra sensitive constantly ?

[jblum315]

But, but eliminating golf carts from the squares is blasphemy..The very symbol of the The Villages!

no one is talking about eliminating golf carts it was cars to be eliminated.
i don't have a cart, but i wouldn't be there anyway

[joldnol]

The fact that a 51-49 vote signifies a majority-minority whereby the majority gets to dictate to 49% of the population is not only immaturely selfish, it is also sociopathic.


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So the 49% dictating to the 51% is better?

[ColdNoMore]

Yes and my comment was not a sweeping condemnation . It was sarcasm directed at the many who are clearly abusing the situation .
Why so ultra sensitive constantly ?

LOL :1rotfl:

I am anything but..."ultra sensitive constantly." ;)

I simply like facts...and the truth. :D

Speaking of which, please point out which part of your statement below in post #167...was NOT a "sweeping condemnation." :ohdear:


Rarely see a person who appears to be in the least handicapped emerging from their vehicles as they whip into their special parking spots .


Thanks in advance. :ho:

[rustyp]

The thread is about pros and cons of golf carts only in the squares (plural like 3). Can we steer this back on track perhaps with a concentration on safety. I am wondering if the higher IQ's have broke the code yet. I suspect they have.

[sallybowron]

I see this as a bias toward listening to the music, which is fine, but there are people who want to patronize the merchants and the vendors also. Having to walk from the lot would be a great imposition on those who have mobility issues. The hospital shuttles can sometimes take up to 20-30 mins. Doesn't that violate the Americans With Disabilities Act?
I think it works well the way it is!

[whatusea]

Not everyone owns a golf cart. Does that mean I’m banned from the square. Pretty arrogant assusumption. My sports car is smaller than many golf carts so would I be able to share a golf cart spot?

[tomwed]

Not everyone owns a golf cart. Does that mean I’m banned from the square. Pretty arrogant assusumption. My sports car is smaller than many golf carts so would I be able to share a golf cart spot?Of course you are not banned.

[ColdNoMore]

Not everyone owns a golf cart. Does that mean I’m banned from the square. Pretty arrogant assusumption. My sports car is smaller than many golf carts so would I be able to share a golf cart spot?

Pretty arrogant for making an "assusumption"...that any people are proposed to be banned.

Unless you are a very talented automobile, that can read and type, in which case...you have my undivided attention and awe. :22yikes:

[mulligan]

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the roads around the squares are owned by the counties they are located in. You would be hard pressed to get a county to write an ordinance banning taxpayers' vehicles from the roads.

[Polar Bear]

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the roads around the squares are owned by the counties they are located in. You would be hard pressed to get a county to write an ordinance banning taxpayers' vehicles from the roads.
Along with all the other reasons to not go golf-carts-only, this is the clincher.

[cologal]

Are you referring to the incident which occurred over 16 years ago?

Just last night we were leaving the square at LSL walking in the crosswalk when a big white car ignored us. We stopped walking to ensure no injuries. We looked at the driver, she was shocked to see us.