Would you pay for anonymity on Facebook?

[tomwed]

Our Children and Grandchildren use Facebook so for many of us we don't want to break that connection.

By the same token we know now more then ever about the risks.

If I was Zuk I would offer a family plan with a monthly fee, like sharing Netflix, that gives me and mine everything we want from Facebook but keeps it private for the identified family members. And the contract has to be written in plain English that a child [or me] could understand.

There are over a billion Facebook users. INMO that makes him potentially the most powerful person in the world.


YIKES, what if he looses his marbles.

I'm behind the curve. I recently found out Facebook owns What's App another one of my family apps.

"Talk is cheap. Which explains why I talk a lot." me

[Polar Bear]

IMO, if you assume you can get 100% anonymity anywhere on the internet, you're asking for trouble.

[tomwed]

IMO, if you assume you can get 100% anonymity anywhere on the internet, you're asking for trouble. I know that. I would just hate to throw out the whole kit and kaboodle and not see my new grandson every day.

My oldest takes pictures and videos almost everyday. I use what'sapp to see them. He's 7 months old and just started crawling 2 weeks ago.

Facebook owns What'sApp.

When he's my age Facebook will own 10,000 photos of him in addition to every word written on their sites that we write because that's the deal you make when you join.

I want to pay for What'sapp if there are guarantees everything is encrypted. Emails and photos are like post cards that the mailmen can look and read along the way but not if they are encrypted and you use a VPN.

So I'm not asking for trouble, I'm asking for a solution.

What do you think?

[fw102807]

I also only use FB to keep in touch with close friends and family. I do not display anything publicly, and have disabled the ability to search for my profile. I do not put any personal information and have blocked all 3rd party apps. I do not fill out questionnaires, participate in games or share ANYTHING that says how many LIKES and SHARES can I get on it. Am I 100% protected...no one ever is...but I have done all I could to not make myself a target.

There are a lot of privacy settings on FB you can use. I do not use What's App so I can't comment on that.

[CFrance]

I know that. I would just hate to throw out the whole kit and kaboodle and not see my new grandson every day.

My oldest takes pictures and videos almost everyday. I use what'sapp to see them. He's 7 months old and just started crawling 2 weeks ago.

Facebook owns What'sApp.

When he's my age Facebook will own 10,000 photos of him in addition to every word written on their sites that we write because that's the deal you make when you join.

I want to pay for What'sapp if there are guarantees everything is encrypted. Emails and photos are like post cards that the mailmen can look and read along the way but not if they are encrypted and you use a VPN.

So I'm not asking for trouble, I'm asking for a solution.

What do you think?
If you want a secure free video-sharing program, investigate VSee. Our older son, who refuses to use Facebook or other social media devices because of the privacy issues, uses VSee. It's an audio/video program, so you can see your grandson crawl all over the place (really cool, btw, that he's crawling at 7 months!). Our son is a tech wizard and knows what can happen; he's very concerned with privacy issues on the web.

Of course, the parents would have to install VSee as well. VSee - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSee)

[Mortal1]

If you got what you asked for then you wouldn't be able to find anyone you might want to find and they couldn't find you. Really defeats the whole purpose of facebook don't you think.

As usual many folks are over reacting. Personally I don't give a rats rear what the internet knows about me. I've nothing to hide. And if ads are tailored to my searches and posts....great. I can always just turn the damned thing off. :-)

[villagetinker]

Years ago, I consider FB to be the biggest security risk you could participate in, looks like I may have been proven right. In any case, I have managed to not participate in this security fiasco. IMHO, FB should automatically change ALL settings for maximum security and privacy, and then inform the users how to change settings, and THE IMPLICATIONS OF CHANGING THE SETTINGS. They also need to completely block access to any friends and contacts info from YOUR FB page.

As for the suggestion above, I would NOT consider an additional payment for security, as a matter of fact, I would want them to pay me if I lowered security. These same concerns go for Amazon, Google Chrome, Gmail, and all of the other apps that gather and share info.

On a side note: have you ever looked at the apps on your phone? On Android, you can see all of the information apps can see and you can actually take the access to this information away from the apps. For example, why does the flashlight app need access to my contact list, my email, my location, etc?

OK, I have vented, please be kind in replies.

[fw102807]

If you got what you asked for then you wouldn't be able to find anyone you might want to find and they couldn't find you. Really defeats the whole purpose of facebook don't you think.

As usual many folks are over reacting. Personally I don't give a rats rear what the internet knows about me. I've nothing to hide. And if ads are tailored to my searches and posts....great. I can always just turn the damned thing off. :-)

The problem is not that you have nothing to hide, the problem is that this information is used for identity theft and scamming.

[fw102807]

Years ago, I consider FB to be the biggest security risk you could participate in, looks like I may have been proven right. In any case, I have managed to not participate in this security fiasco. IMHO, FB should automatically change ALL settings for maximum security and privacy, and then inform the users how to change settings, and THE IMPLICATIONS OF CHANGING THE SETTINGS. They also need to completely block access to any friends and contacts info from YOUR FB page.

As for the suggestion above, I would NOT consider an additional payment for security, as a matter of fact, I would want them to pay me if I lowered security. These same concerns go for Amazon, Google Chrome, Gmail, and all of the other apps that gather and share info.

On a side note: have you ever looked at the apps on your phone? On Android, you can see all of the information apps can see and you can actually take the access to this information away from the apps. For example, why does the flashlight app need access to my contact list, my email, my location, etc?

OK, I have vented, please be kind in replies.

Having worked in IT for many decades I completely agree. :BigApplause:

[tomwed]

If you want a secure free video-sharing program, investigate VSee. Our older son, who refuses to use Facebook or other social media devices because of the privacy issues, uses VSee. It's an audio/video program, so you can see your grandson crawl all over the place (really cool, btw, that he's crawling at 7 months!). Our son is a tech wizard and knows what can happen; he's very concerned with privacy issues on the web.

Of course, the parents would have to install VSee as well. VSee - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSee)The what'sapp account is shared with about 20 family members from all over the world. It's more popular there then here. I can suggest moving the account.
thank-you

[tomwed]

OK, I have vented, please be kind in replies.
No way. Get ready for point counter point. Watch how Dan does it.
v=c91XUyg9iWM You're next. :)

[CFrance]

No way. Get ready for point counter point. Watch how Dan does it.
You're next. :)
Those were THE best days of SNL. Jane, you ignorant slut!! One of my favorite segments.:clap2:

[tomwed]

Thank-you Facebook users for your advice.

I found this great tutorial that explains all the how's and why's for Facebook settings. It's fairly short, the guy has great diction and is a very good teacher.

If you have 2 devices run the tutorial one and make the changes on the other. Let us know if he missed anything.
https://v=Ajrt_U_UrUQ

[thetruth]

Our Children and Grandchildren use Facebook so for many of us we don't want to break that connection.

By the same token we know now more then ever about the risks.

If I was Zuk I would offer a family plan with a monthly fee, like sharing Netflix, that gives me and mine everything we want from Facebook but keeps it private for the identified family members. And the contract has to be written in plain English that a child [or me] could understand.

There are over a billion Facebook users. INMO that makes him potentially the most powerful person in the world.


YIKES, what if he looses his marbles.

I'm behind the curve. I recently found out Facebook owns What's App another one of my family apps.

"Talk is cheap. Which explains why I talk a lot." me

I have a facebook account-BUT IT IS NOT UNDER MY REAL NAME. Actually I have more than one. PRIVACY-once lost is gone and yet people gladly give it away.

IF, YOU WANT A SHOCK-LOOK YOURSELF UP ON SPOKEO.
YOU GAVE THEM ALL THAT INFORMATION.

[fw102807]

Good job! The problem with FB is most people use the default settings, accept invites from everyone and believe everything they read. If you Google there is also good info on "like farming" and innocent looking quizzes used to gain personal info. That is how Cambridge Analytica worked.

[tomwed]

The scam has been termed 'Like-farming' and it allows scammers to generate huge interest in a page under completely false pretences. Once a page has achieved the desired number of Likes, the scammer sells it to someone who then changes its content to make it look like their (usually terrible) product ...

hmmmmm

[fw102807]

The scam has been termed 'Like-farming' and it allows scammers to generate huge interest in a page under completely false pretences. Once a page has achieved the desired number of Likes, the scammer sells it to someone who then changes its content to make it look like their (usually terrible) product ...

hmmmmm

Yup

[Polar Bear]

I know that. I would just hate to throw out the whole kit and kaboodle and not see my new grandson every day.

My oldest takes pictures and videos almost everyday. I use what'sapp to see them. He's 7 months old and just started crawling 2 weeks ago.

Facebook owns What'sApp.

When he's my age Facebook will own 10,000 photos of him in addition to every word written on their sites that we write because that's the deal you make when you join.

I want to pay for What'sapp if there are guarantees everything is encrypted. Emails and photos are like post cards that the mailmen can look and read along the way but not if they are encrypted and you use a VPN.

So I'm not asking for trouble, I'm asking for a solution.

What do you think?
I never said you shouldn’t use whatever you want, tom. All I said was don’t assume it will be 100% anonymous. I stand by that. :)

[fw102807]

I never said you shouldn’t use whatever you want, tom. All I said was don’t assume it will be 100% private. :)

Correct, but it looks like he has taken steps to protect his privacy as best he can. Anything that becomes digital is in danger of being hacked but there are things you can do to make it harder. People just need to become educated.

[Polar Bear]

Correct, but it looks like he has taken steps to protect his privacy as best he can. Anything that becomes digital is in danger of being hacked but there are things you can do to make it harder. People just need to become educated.
Totally agree. Just comes back to that 100% thing again. Some things simply shouldn’t be put on the web.

[NoMoSno]

If I read it on Farcebook...It must be true...:read:

[fw102807]

If I read it on Farcebook...It must be true...:read:

Especially when you attach handicapped soldiers, deformed babies and abused animals to it. That is how the scam sites are formed.

[tomwed]

but Facebook does NOT sell data, but "ad" buyers can use tailored data to insure they reach their target audience.

Facebook uses the data you provide, such as where you live and how old you are, and combines it with geographic information from your phone to tailor ads to a certain audience. Facebook can charge more money the more specific the audience is. "With our powerful audience selection tools, you can target the people who are right for your business," Facebook says on its page about advertising.

How does Facebook do this without selling data? Advertisers choose the types of users they want to reach. Facebook can make the match internally to select the users to be shown the ads. In this case, Facebook isn't technically selling data, as it's all done internally. But without your data, Facebook wouldn't be able to offer such targeted advertising.


food for thought

[tophcfa]

NFW, would never pay for privacy. That's a right, not a pay for privilege. I am deleting my Facebook account. If someone wants to contact me, call me! Whoops, I suspect my cell phone is not private either. What's this world coming to? Way too much intrusive technology.

[fw102807]

Facebook uses the data you provide, such as where you live and how old you are, and combines it with geographic information from your phone to tailor ads to a certain audience. Facebook can charge more money the more specific the audience is. "With our powerful audience selection tools, you can target the people who are right for your business," Facebook says on its page about advertising.

How does Facebook do this without selling data? Advertisers choose the types of users they want to reach. Facebook can make the match internally to select the users to be shown the ads. In this case, Facebook isn't technically selling data, as it's all done internally. But without your data, Facebook wouldn't be able to offer such targeted advertising.


food for thought

Facebook uses the information to decide which ads to place on your news feed. I have found claims that my friends had "liked" certain pages that I know they would have never had any interest in whatsoever. Everything is geared to find out info about you which is why I do not share anything, i.e. if you share a post that you love your granddaughter then they know you have one.

[collie1228]

I don't use Facebook, never have, never will. When it first came out, along with several other "free" platforms, someone said something that has stuck with me ever since: "When the product is free, the product is you." So now all the idiotic politicians go after Zuckerberg with a frenzy, never recognizing this whole fiasco is a classic case of "you get what you pay for".

[Topspinmo]

Our Children and Grandchildren use Facebook so for many of us we don't want to break that connection.

By the same token we know now more then ever about the risks.

If I was Zuk I would offer a family plan with a monthly fee, like sharing Netflix, that gives me and mine everything we want from Facebook but keeps it private for the identified family members. And the contract has to be written in plain English that a child [or me] could understand.

There are over a billion Facebook users. INMO that makes him potentially the most powerful person in the world.


YIKES, what if he looses his marbles.

I'm behind the curve. I recently found out Facebook owns What's App another one of my family apps.

"Talk is cheap. Which explains why I talk a lot." me

FB gathers and sells your information and advertising pays FB to advertising. How do you think he became billionaire from free face book users? Any information you put on line is used. Law inforcement uses FB, the government pays for information on FB. Basically you're private information is up for sale. Once you start it it never goes away, even crinmals uses social media. In the day of the computer if you own house, rent apartment, have drivers license, got to hospital, and SS number you're information is out there.

[fw102807]

I don't use Facebook, never have, never will. When it first came out, along with several other "free" platforms, someone said something that has stuck with me ever since: "When the product is free, the product is you." So now all the idiotic politicians go after Zuckerberg with a frenzy, never recognizing this whole fiasco is a classic case of "you get what you pay for".

TOTV is free

[karostay]

I don'y use Face ,Twit,Text Or Snap..
Just good ole hello over the phone

[fw102807]

I don'y use Face ,Twit,Text Or Snap..
Just good ole hello over the phone

Have none of you noticed all the adds on TOTV that are geared to things you may have looked at online? Do you also realize how much personal information that you share on a site that anyone in the world can read and join?

Don't fool yourself that because you do not use FB you are safe.

[tomwed]

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[tomwed]

TOTV is free
nice going, it looks like everyone closed their account :)

[Tom C]

There are many (better) ways to stay in touch than FB. I never did FB and I have now deleted my LinkedIn account (originally touted as a business site, it has become a place to get info and pester professional people).

My advice: Toss out ALL those type of sites and use the phone and other options that are not shared outside your family.

[fw102807]

Sorry just think it's funny that people are afraid of FB but think nothing of posting their lives on TOTV which has no security whatsoever. I doubt though that the Russians will be infiltrating it anytime soon.

[tomwed]

Sorry just think it's funny that people are afraid of FB but think nothing of posting their lives on TOTV which has no security whatsoever. I doubt though that the Russians will be infiltrating it anytime soon.privet tovarishch, chto takoye imya?

[fw102807]

privet tovarishch, chto takoye imya?

OK I might have been wrong...wouldn't be the first time.

[tomwed]

OK I might have been wrong...wouldn't be the first time.did you cut and paste it in google translator?

[fw102807]

did you cut and paste it in google translator?

Did now...:evil6:

[JoMar]

If today is the first day you are concerned about security, it's too late :). Zukerman became a billionaire when the company went public and we, or our institutions or our investors bought it.

[Taltarzac725]

Love Facebook as a resource for connecting with a very wide variety of people from all stages of my life as well as in many places. You do have to be very careful with what you share and stay on your toes for potential hacks, scams, spam, and people changing the meaning of what you post through many posting many asides.

[fw102807]

Love Facebook as a resource for connecting with a very wide variety of people from all stages of my life as well as in many places. You do have to be very careful with what you share and stay on your toes for potential hacks, scams, spam, and people changing the meaning of what you post through many posting many asides.

Exactly!

[Nucky]

If I was Zuk I would offer a family plan with a monthly fee, like sharing Netflix, that gives me and mine everything we want from Facebook but keeps it private for the identified family members. And the contract has to be written in plain English that a child [or me] could understand.

Facebook gets zero from us we wouldn't give him the sweat off a grape. We already have an electronic leash with cell phones. Another Bill. We already have all the dopey ways to watch Television that cost an arm and a leg. Another Bill. You have to give people credit, they figured out how to get into our pocket with having us purchase bottled water. Another Bill. The biggest one which I find enjoyable when we drive to N.J. is Sirius, Holy Mackeral, but IMHO how stupid to pay for radio. Another Bill. So, in conclusion, I am amazed at these young people who have such vision and employee so many people and build such humongous companies, Bravo. Get your revenue elsewhere. I already have too many bills I don't want. :rant-rave: Remeber the song The Taxman by the Beatles. What is left over for young families after they pay for all the necessities I listed before and the ones I didn't think of.

[tomwed]

If I was Zuk I would offer a family plan with a monthly fee, like sharing Netflix, that gives me and mine everything we want from Facebook but keeps it private for the identified family members. And the contract has to be written in plain English that a child [or me] could understand.

Facebook gets zero from us we wouldn't give him the sweat off a grape. We already have an electronic leash with cell phones. Another Bill. We already have all the dopey ways to watch Television that cost an arm and a leg. Another Bill. You have to give people credit, they figured out how to get into our pocket with having us purchase bottled water. Another Bill. The biggest one which I find enjoyable when we drive to N.J. is Sirius, Holy Mackeral, but IMHO how stupid to pay for radio. Another Bill. So, in conclusion, I am amazed at these young people who have such vision and employee so many people and build such humongous companies, Bravo. Get your revenue elsewhere. I already have too many bills I don't want. :rant-rave: Remeber the song The Taxman by the Beatles. What is left over for young families after they pay for all the necessities I listed before and the ones I didn't think of.
So I'm going to put you down as a "no."
Sheesh, I asked for the time and you built me a clock.:o

[Nucky]

So I'm going to put you down as a "no."
Sheesh, I asked for the time and you built me a clock.:o

Exactly. Definitely a teacher. :pray: G.T.F.P.

[tomwed]

Exactly. Definitely a teacher. :pray: G.T.F.P.What does gtfp mean? google let me down again
Thank-you

[ColdNoMore]

What does gtfp mean? google let me down again
Thank-you

Get to The Frigging (PG rated version) Point. :D

[tomwed]

This thread is old news. I'm sorry about the clock wise crack---

My point at the time is that Facebook may not go away like MySpace did. "As of the fourth quarter of 2017, Facebook had 2.2 billion monthly active users." There are 7.4 billion people in the world.

That's too much information in the hands of a couple of people or maybe just one.

[fw102807]

This thread is old news. I'm sorry about the clock wise crack---

My point at the time is that Facebook may not go away like MySpace did. "As of the fourth quarter of 2017, Facebook had 2.2 billion monthly active users." There are 7.4 billion people in the world.

That's too much information in the hands of a couple of people or maybe just one.

Or maybe several million.

[tomwed]

Or maybe several million.

• Leading global social networks 2018 | Statistic (https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-networks-ranked-by-number-of-users/)

2,234 million
What is several million?
Now I think I know what you are saying. Maybe several million have access to all of the info on Facebook servers.......hmmmm I need to think about that.

[fw102807]

What is several million?
• Leading global social networks 2018 | Statistic (https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-networks-ranked-by-number-of-users/)

2,234 million

Just saying...so many people on FB don't even have any security on their accounts and everything is public. When they do the quizzes and share the spam they are giving out all kinds of information.

[tomwed]

I rarely go on facebook. I use to take quizzes outside of facebook. I want to see what I can remember what I was taught years ago.

I tried to find out which countries blacklist facebook.
All I know for sure is that China blocks Facebook. population 1.4 billion people

[ColdNoMore]

Just saying...so many people on FB don't even have any security on their accounts and everything is public. When they do the quizzes and share the spam they are giving out all kinds of information.

I rarely go on facebook. I use to take quizzes outside of facebook. I want to see what I can remember what I was taught years ago.

I tried to find out which countries blacklist facebook.

All I know for sure is that China blocks Facebook. population 1.4 billion people

Yep, Facebook can be very detrimental to ones privacy (albeit, "privacy" is a bit laughable these days) and a minefield...if one isn't careful..

I also limit my 'friends' (less than 100) on Facebook, to those that truly are my friends/family in real life and am not one of those who are massively insecure...and need to bloat my friend count. :oops:

I've also quit taking any quizzes and look especially hard for those posts...that appear to be primarily looking for info.

The same goes for sites like Yahoo's home page, where I stay away from those that have 'Sponsored'...in the link.

[tomwed]

I don't worry about what they know about me but I wonder if a lot of young people will have their potential political careers squashed before it even gets started because they were free spirits as teenagers and facebook can show everyone.

[fw102807]

I don't worry about what they know about me but I wonder if a lot of young people will have their potential political careers squashed before it even gets started because they were free spirits as teenagers and facebook can show everyone.

You should be concerned about what they know about you as that is how they learn how to scam you.

[ColdNoMore]

I don't worry about what they know about me but I wonder if a lot of young people will have their potential political careers squashed before it even gets started because they were free spirits as teenagers and facebook can show everyone.

I long ago lost track, of all of the lectures from me to my now grown children...on exactly that point.

[tomwed]

You should be concerned about what they know about you as that is how they learn how to scam you.I think I'm careful. thank-you

[fw102807]

I think I'm careful. thank-you

I always say if you haven't been hacked or scammed it is because you have not yet been targeted but being careful is a good thing.

[rjn5656]

I wouldn't use facebook if I had to pay for it

[tomwed]

This is from the CIA world fact book.
United States population 247 million
76.2% (July 2016 est.) has internet access 188 million


The total Facebook USA users 214 million (2018 est)

Almost every American with internet access has a facebook account.

It's almost 100 per cent.

[fw102807]

This is from the CIA world fact book.
United States population 247 million
76.2% (July 2016 est.) has internet access 188 million


The total Facebook USA users 214 million (2018 est)

Almost every American with internet access has a facebook account.

It's almost 100 per cent.

Yup goldmine for propaganda.