If you or yours are flying ALLEGIANT AIR>>

[DeanFL]

Do yourself a favor - look up today's 60 MINUTES segment on Allegiant Air. They fly in/out from Sanford Airport and many other airports.

I will not editorialize or give my opinion here - BUT - research and watch their findings. Also, I'm disgusted with the FAA if this story is true.

Here's a link>

Allegiant Air: The Budget Airline flying under the radar - 60 minutes investigation - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/allegiant-air-the-budget-airline-flying-under-the-radar/)

[tuctba]

Do yourself a favor - look up today's 60 MINUTES segment on Allegiant Air. They fly in/out from Sanford Airport and many other airports.



I will not editorialize or give my opinion here - BUT - research and watch their findings. Also, I'm disgusted with the FAA if this story is true.



Here's a link>



Allegiant Air: The Budget Airline flying under the radar - 60 minutes investigation - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/allegiant-air-the-budget-airline-flying-under-the-radar/)



I watch it. I will never fly Allegiant. The guy from the FAA should be fired. He might as well given the 5th.


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[justjim]

A crash waiting to happen if things don’t change.......

[retiredguy123]

I don't believe anything they say on 60 Minutes. It is one of the most slanted and biased shows on television. All they care about is ratings.

[NotGolfer]

We've flown with them and never had an issue. The piece said "not everything has been disclosed". So not believing it at face value.

[Viperguy]

You get what you pay for. Old aircraft and outsourced maintenance.

[retiredguy123]

I watch it. I will never fly Allegiant. The guy from the FAA should be fired. He might as well given the 5th.


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Did you see the woman who weighed about 400 pounds and was concerned about the safety of the airline? If she is concerned about her safety, maybe she should lose about 200 pounds. The FAA guy said that all of the safety issues of Allegiant had been addressed, but the 60 Minutes guy didn't want to hear that and did not even follow up on that response. 60 Minutes just wants to present whatever will get them high television ratings. The show is a joke.

[l2ridehd]

60 minutes has the most biased reporting of any show. Go and research the story they did on Caterpillar tractor and then watch the rebuttal show. They lied, took statements out of context, and just reported false information.

They did the exact same thing with Illinois power. And they did a full hour rebuttal and showed how they lied. It's a show I will never again watch. They have zero credibility.

And based on their past reporting means it's probably a good airline to fly.

[retiredguy123]

60 minutes has the most biased reporting of any show. Go and research the story they did on Caterpillar tractor and then watch the rebuttal show. They lied, took statements out of context, and just reported false information.

They did the exact same thing with Illinois power. And they did a full hour rebuttal and showed how they lied. It's a show I will never again watch. They have zero credibility.

And based on their past reporting means it's probably a good airline to fly.
I agree. It is a horrible show. We have no way to know the total content of what the FAA guy said because 60 Minutes probably interviewed the guy for an hour and then edited out all the parts that didn't support their story that Allegiant is the worst airline in the world.

[Bjeanj]

You may believe that 60 Minutes offers biased reports. However the Tampa Bay newspaper reported much the same information, as did the Orlando Sentinel.
Thousands of people flew Allegiant thinking their planes wouldn’t fail. They were wrong. | investigations | Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2016/investigations/allegiant-air/mechanical-breakdowns/)

Records detail Allegiant flight incidents - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/os-allegiant-faa-foia-request-20160916-story.html)

Incidents for airline Allegiant | AeroInside (https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/allegiant)

There is, I believe an FAA site that documents all sorts of in-air incidents, but I can’t find it right now.

[retiredguy123]

The real story here is that we are paying the FAA millions of dollars to regulate the safety of all airlines. 60 Minutes is insinuating that they are not doing their job. But, instead of attacking the FAA for incompetence, they have chosen to single out and attack a small airline and tell people not to fly on it. Why didn't 60 Minutes address the overall issue that they apparently believe that the FAA is not doing their job. Isn't that the real story to be reported? Are they saying that Allegiant is the only airline that is unsafe. 60 Minutes should be ashamed of themselves for presenting this ridiculous attack on a small, independent airline when their apparent real target is the FAA. The FAA guy said that Allegiant had addressed all of their safety issues. 60 Minutes didn't have any rebuttal for that statement.

[jeriteri]

All stories backed by Big Buck Airlines trying to squash the little guy, come on, open eyes!:spoken:

[fw102807]

I don't believe anything they say on 60 Minutes. It is one of the most slanted and biased shows on television. All they care about is ratings.

:agree:

[asianthree]

I flew down southwest, last week. Lady sitting next to me said her son worked for allegiant. He has the ability to fly her on any airline, with same discounts except Delta.
She mentioned that he prefers not to fly her on allegiance. I figured it was due to going to Sanford. She said no she flys to 11 different cities that allegiance flys, She had only flown allegiant once. At the time I did not think to ask why.:shrug:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I don't believe anything they say on 60 Minutes. It is one of the most slanted and biased shows on television. All they care about is ratings.

I agree. They are a bunch of vindictive idiots.

They did a show about some people I knew many years ago. These people invited them into their homes, served them dinner and spent a lot of time with them. Everything was very cordial and it sounded like it was going to be a great piece that would be of benefit. We were all shocked when we tuned in and saw this horrible hit piece that damaged these people's reputation and business.

Almost none of it was true and the parts that were true were spun to make them seem negative.

It's suspected that one of the executives at CBS had invested in a competing company.

I stopped watching that program after that.

[Topspinmo]

I have flown on the airline in question. Kind of gaggle (fill in the blank) seems like that have one crew that load baggage and egress the plane from the gate at Stanford ( I sure hope the don't short change the maintenance?) So, usually takes up to 40 mins just to clear the gate. IMO the air line in guestion no different that an other airline that don't fly to big hubs or cities. Low budget, some old planes, and newer ones with lots of flying hours IMO. They survive by flying directly to smaller cities with lower rates. The problem usually with most airlines you stop at several airports hubs to finely get to were you're going with usually eats up most of the day for 4 hours flight. Good example, first time we came down here flew SW went to three airports zig zagging with 2 hours or more layover. Too 6 plus hours for hour and half flight. Ever time plane takes off and lands there risk for something bad to happen, even out of control of the pilot, FAA, or the airline. US air lines flight 1549 good example of what can go wrong when everthing else is prefect.

[Carla B]

You may believe that 60 Minutes offers biased reports. However the Tampa Bay newspaper reported much the same information, as did the Orlando Sentinel.
Thousands of people flew Allegiant thinking their planes wouldn’t fail. They were wrong. | investigations | Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2016/investigations/allegiant-air/mechanical-breakdowns/)

Records detail Allegiant flight incidents - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/os-allegiant-faa-foia-request-20160916-story.html)

Incidents for airline Allegiant | AeroInside (https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/allegiant)

There is, I believe an FAA site that documents all sorts of in-air incidents, but I can’t find it right now.

As Bjeanj says, 60 Minutes is not the first to report safety issues with Allegiant.

[rcook715]

Thank you!

[Challenger]

"Caveat Emptor"

[justjim]

"Caveat Emptor"

Yes, Buyer Beware.....

[ColdNoMore]

As Bjeanj says, 60 Minutes is not the first to report safety issues with Allegiant.

Yep.

[Henryk]

I don't believe anything they say on 60 Minutes. It is one of the most slanted and biased shows on television. All they care about is ratings.

Nonsense.

[justjim]

“60 Minutes”, The oldest and most watched newsmagazine on television originating in 1968. Some call it the most successful broadcast show in the history of Television. Are they always right? IMHO, of course not, nobody is right all the time, but they are known to do an outstanding job exposing problems and issues or they wouldn’t be the most watched newsmagazine on television.

How many posting here have had experence with Allegiant? We have. About four years ago, we were flying from Las Vegas to Peoria, IL. Arriving at the airport at 5:30 am our first flight was delayed and then cancelled due to mechanical problems. We then were moved to a different gate and finally boarded a different Allegiant plane for our flight to Peoria around 1:00 or so. A little over an hour into our flight the captain came on speaker “we have a mechanical problem with this aircraft and been advised to return to Las Vegas” as the plane was obviously making a turn back toward the western horizon. After returning to the airport, we were advised to go to a different gate where we waited until a third Allegiant plane pulled up and we boarded a third time for Peoria. As I remember it was around 10:00 pm when we finally landed in Peoria. By this time we had lost several passengers who I suppose took another airline or maybe just decided it was safer to drive...... Allegiant is a low cost discount airline flying mostly to the smaller mid-size cities and they do provide a good service to these cities. Allegiant is very profitable. No doubt in my mind that sometimes they push the safety envelope in order to save money and cut costs. 60 minutes did offer to give Allegiant air time to give their side of the story but they declined. No doubt Allegiant and the FAA can do better and it’s investigating reporting by media outlets like 60 minutes that helps to see that they are kept “Honest” and do their jobs to protect the safety of the public.

[Bogie Shooter]

You may believe that 60 Minutes offers biased reports. However the Tampa Bay newspaper reported much the same information, as did the Orlando Sentinel.
Thousands of people flew Allegiant thinking their planes wouldn’t fail. They were wrong. | investigations | Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2016/investigations/allegiant-air/mechanical-breakdowns/)

Records detail Allegiant flight incidents - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/os-allegiant-faa-foia-request-20160916-story.html)

Incidents for airline Allegiant | AeroInside (https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/allegiant)

There is, I believe an FAA site that documents all sorts of in-air incidents, but I can’t find it right now.
I guess they are all lying....................
Why would these paper spend all that time and money to provide info for people to make their own decisions?

[villagerjack]

Flew many times out of SAV and PIE to Newark and Newburg/ Stewart. About 6-7 round trips thus far. Never had an incident. No charge for up to 3 bags and a carry on as well as no charge for seats and priority boarding for our Veterans. Seats are a little cramped but other than that I have had good experiences with Allegiant. Love how convenient it is flying out of PIE where I can park long or short term and walk from parking lot to terminal. A Gem compared to Orlando or Tampa. Surprised to see this story although I never watch the 60 Minutes Hatchet Machine. Keeping an open mind particularly with any response from the FAA and the company. Considering the manner in which some of those Florida newspapers have unfairly attacked The Villages with lies and half truths, I am a little careful about believing some of their reporting.

[villagerjack]

I guess they are all lying....................
Why would these paper spend all that time and money to provide info for people to make their own decisions?

Lying may be a strong word to use but sometimes telling half the story can be just as damaging.

[dewilson58]

Scary information, but they should have disclosed the last FAA Audit findings..............which was clean.

[villagerjack]

Scary information, but they should have disclosed the last FAA Audit findings..............which was clean.

You see, that is the problem with the news business in the last few years. I have lost all credanikity in what I read as it seems like the news is Agenda Driven. Leaving out important facts is the same as lying to me.

[JoMar]

You see, that is the problem with the news business in the last few years. I have lost all credanikity in what I read as it seems like the news is Agenda Driven. Leaving out important facts is the same as lying to me.

:agree:

There are other sources to research on your own. Watching an edited report on a commercial news outlet and adjusting your life around that 10 minute segment seems illogical to me. It should stimulate personal investigation and not taken as definitive. Then of course there is the conspiracy theory :). We will continue to fly Allegiant.

[Bjeanj]

I believe in data-driven facts, and prefer to fly airlines with good safety and maintenance records.

A report, whether it is in the newspaper(s) or TV, can bring to my attention something I want to investigate further in order to make up my own mind.

[Challenger]

:agree:

There are other sources to research on your own. Watching an edited report on a commercial news outlet and adjusting your life around that 10 minute segment seems illogical to me. It should stimulate personal investigation and not taken as definitive. Then of course there is the conspiracy theory :). We will continue to fly Allegiant.

So I guess what your saying is that people should , at least, attempt to verify information before acting. What a radical idea. !!!

[JGVillages]

Have flown Allegiant numerous times years ago. I also have followed news reports from a variety of sources over the past few years, including numerous local evening news reports when problem issues arose. I thus came to my not to fly Allegiant decision based on dozens of reported issues over the years, plus my knowing that they have been using much older aircraft than other carriers I could choose. The 60 minutes exposay did nothing to furthur my distrust of Allegiant. I am not a big fan of large government agencies properly solving issues they are charged to evaluate. The IRS, VA, EPA, just to name a few have had gross inefficiencies in recent years so when I am in a “missle” at 30,000 feet, my decision to totally trust the FAA’s investigative responsibilities falls short of complete trust. Most importantly do your own research with the numerous tools at your disposal, then make an “as informed” decision that gives you the comfort level necessary.

[fw102807]

They are probably going to be the safest airline for a while.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Neither us, or my son and daughter and their families will ever fly Allegiant again.

Equipment failure and falling out of the sky rarely kills you, it’s that sudden stop that gets you.

[JimC55]

Not to take up for the company, but they may be turning the corner. The FAA said that Allegiant’s reported incident rate has trended downward in recent years. Allegiant reported 0.0029 events per 1,000 departures in 2017. It is clear they had maintenance problems in 2015/2016. A lot of this is due to aging MD-80 aircraft which they seemed to have trouble repairing. This should be directed toward poor performance of the contracted maintenance company they poorly managed. Delta actually flies four times as many ancient MD-80s and -90s. Just FYI, the aircraft with the most fatal accidents is the 737 with more than 59 fatal crashes. This is compared to only 15 with the MD-80 series. While this seems shocking, you have to remember there were millions of safe flights. Allegiant has also recorded a huge number of safe flights and the current data shows they should continue with safe flights.

Just FYI, the airlines with largest number of fatalities from 2000 to 2014: Malaysia Air with 537, American 416, Air France 337. Southwest and Allegiant have had no fatalities. Both are discount carriers.

Allegiant is paying for the bad press. Their stock took a dive. As to whether you should fly them? Like buying a car, you should review the facts and make a decision. Remember the Corvair, Pinto and other cars that were sold and killed many people. Both Ford and Chevy recovered. Perhaps Allegiant will get a chance. We all need to be informed and not just listen to the media. The data is available.

[ColdNoMore]

So I guess what your saying is that people should , at least, attempt to verify information before acting. What a radical idea. !!!

In this current era...that's downright blasphemous! :D

Facts are facts.

How one attempts to 'spin' those facts, or determine how those facts came into existence...is up to them.

But it still remains, facts are facts and there is no such thing as...'alternative facts.' :oops:

We flew once, and only once, on an Allegiant Air charter to Tunica.

On the return, we waited 5 hours for them to send another plane because the one sitting on the tarmac..."had mechanical issues."

After reading and seeing the 'facts' of Allegiant...never again. :ohdear: