When you hear that someone has driven a van and killed nine people deliberately.

[graciegirl]

What is your first honest thought?

Me too.

[tomwed]

i'll pass too,

[graciegirl]

'Multiple casualties' after white rental van strikes at least eight pedestrians in Toronto before fleeing the scene (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/multiple-casualties-after-white-rental-van-strikes-at-least-eight-pedestrians-in-toronto-before-fleeing-the-scene/ar-AAwfoaR)

[fw102807]

I have removed my post...not doing this any more.

[Bucco]

What is your first honest thought?

Me too.

My first thought was and is a feeling of regret for so many families, and what they have to deal with.

Same first thought when I read of the man pushed under the subway in NYC.

Same when I heard about the killings in the Waffle House, or any of the school children gunned down, or the young child hit by a car during the walkout (although he left the walkout area).

I think of the fear that must have shattered the victims and the witnesses.

The day of these tragedies will change so many lives forever.

[rustyp]

I think this social media has put more fuel on the fire and given more incentive to the crazies. How do we stop this ?

[Bucco]

I think this social media has put more fuel on the fire and given more incentive to the crazies. How do we stop this ?

I agree and to your question about stopping it.

Nobody is trying.

[ColdNoMore]

My first thought was and is a feeling of regret for so many families, and what they have to deal with.

Same first thought when I read of the man pushed under the subway in NYC.

Same when I heard about the killings in the Waffle House, or any of the school children gunned down, or the young child hit by a car during the walkout (although he left the walkout area).

I think of the fear that must have shattered the victims and the witnesses.

The day of these tragedies will change so many lives forever.

:agree:


The Waffle House killer has also been caught...and referred to as "disturbed."

I wonder if that's the description that will be used...to describe the van driver?

If not...I wonder why?

Alleged Waffle House Shooter Travis Reinking Arrested (http://www.newsweek.com/travis-reinking-found-waffle-house-shooter-897339?yptr=yahoo)


Both of course...are cowardly scumbags. :mad:

[redwitch]

It sickens and saddens me. No one deserves to die so callously and no family deserves to have to live with the pain. Some of these murderers do deserve some sympathy since they are truly mentally ill and have been for a long time (I.e., Reinking), but their acts still nauseate me. (BTW, I think Reinking’s father should be locked up for a few lifetimes if it is true that he gave the weapons back to Reinking.) To kill another for attention or in the name of a cause, especially a religion, is inexcusable. These murderers are scum, plain and simple. They should be locked in a cell and have the words of survivors and family members piped in nonstop for the rest of their lives.

[kcrazorbackfan]

What in the hell has gone wrong with people? It's like something bad now is happening every single day.

Some people just have no regard for humanity anymore.

[Bucco]

What in the hell has gone wrong with people? It's like something bad now is happening every single day.

Some people just have no regard for humanity anymore.

You are correct.

Someone mentioned social media, and they are correct. This country just had hearings on a number of different aspects of this. BUT nobody seems to care and there are no plans or actions to even try to fix it. There is no calming voice for us either.

Disregard for humanity in this country is being fed to us, and we seem to just allow it.

Can't think of a mass shooting or terrible crime that prompted our country to change one damn thing.

Gotta stop, but the facts are out there, even some solutions but no leadership, thus it will continue.

[Kenswing]

What in the hell has gone wrong with people? It's like something bad now is happening every single day.

Some people just have no regard for humanity anymore.
Twenty four hour news cycle. When we were younger we were never bombarded with the amount of news we are today. The media is so agenda driven these days that you will be fed news from all around the world almost instantly. If it bleeds it leads..

[GoodLife]

CBS News calls the attack a "hit and run"


CBS News
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@CBSNews
NEW: Hit-and-run that injured several pedestrians in Toronto appears to be a deliberate act, U.S. law enforcement sources tell @CBSNews.
https://
cbsn.ws/2qS6x42

And Reuters chimes in advocating for Van confiscations.

Reuters Top News
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@Reuters
5h
Van kills at least two, injures seven, on Toronto sidewalk
https://
reut.rs/2HVblgs

[graciegirl]

I think of a terrorist attack.

[Kenswing]

I think of a terrorist attack.

I think no matter how many laws you have in place, people that want to kill will find a way to kill..

[graciegirl]

I think no matter how many laws you have in place, people that want to kill will find a way to kill..

I just think we need to be careful who enters our country. Canada has the same issue, and so has U.K. with the same problems.

[ColdNoMore]

I just think we need to be careful who enters our country.

You do realize that this happened in Canada...right? :oops:


Now the Waffle House killer on the other hand....

[ColdNoMore]

Something else for folks to digest.


White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox (https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam)


Facts matter. :ho:

[graciegirl]

Something else for folks to digest.


White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox (https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam)


Facts matter. :ho:

Are you a white American man?

[ColdNoMore]

Are you a white American man?

Yep. :D

[graciegirl]

When I, Grace Gantner, read that a rented van has deliberately run into a lot of people, I think it is probably a terrorist driving. An immigrant from another country who hates us. Or hates western values.

That is what I think.

[Kenswing]

Something else for folks to digest.


White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox (https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam)


Facts matter. :ho:
Yes facts matter.. That article clearly states a limited time frame of when the current president has been in office. It wasn't a white American man that brought down the Twin Towers.

Then there's the whole domestic terrorism category.. What exactly is domestic terrorism? Is it just mass murder or any murder? Because the aggregate mass killings in cities like Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Oakland, etc. are probably not being perpetrated by and large by white American men.

[manaboutown]

Alek Minassian was the driver. According to the news he had no prior extensive police contact or surveillance record, unlike the lunatic at the Waffle House. Alek also appeared to not have a group of close friends, may have been antisocial. What we know about Alek Minassian, alleged driver in deadly Toronto van attack | CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-van-attack-driver-profile-alek-minassian-1.4632435)

His surname appears to be Armenian in origin. I am close to several Armenians who are wonderful people in every way.

More shall be revealed, no doubt.

[skip0358]

:bigbow::bigbow:It sickens and saddens me. No one deserves to die so callously and no family deserves to have to live with the pain. Some of these murderers do deserve some sympathy since they are truly mentally ill and have been for a long time (I.e., Reinking), but their acts still nauseate me. (BTW, I think Reinking’s father should be locked up for a few lifetimes if it is true that he gave the weapons back to Reinking.) To kill another for attention or in the name of a cause, especially a religion, is inexcusable. These murderers are scum, plain and simple. They should be locked in a cell and have the words of survivors and family members piped in nonstop for the rest of their lives.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

You are correct.

Someone mentioned social media, and they are correct. This country just had hearings on a number of different aspects of this. BUT nobody seems to care and there are no plans or actions to even try to fix it. There is no calming voice for us either.

Disregard for humanity in this country is being fed to us, and we seem to just allow it.

Can't think of a mass shooting or terrible crime that prompted our country to change one damn thing.

Gotta stop, but the facts are out there, even some solutions but no leadership, thus it will continue.

Umm, the van attack was in Canada. Many of the other horrific events that we've heard about have taken place in Europe. It's not just this country, it's the world.

[Taltarzac725]

Umm, the van attack was in Canada. Many of the other horrific events that we've heard about have taken place in Europe. It's not just this country, it's the world.

Time to strengthen the survivors/victims hand in the legal game by information accessible through many avenues and provided by Sheriffs' Departments, lawyers, social workers, nurses, law professors, librarians, physicians, psychiatrists, publishers, CEOs, etc. For a start, information like that on the Washoe County Sheriff's web-site should be available on every community's web-sites and modified of course to meet that community's needs. Canadian communities would be different as well as another countries' criminal, mental health support system, languages, etc. would come into play. Washoe County Sheriff's Office - Northern Nevada's Full Service Law Enforcement Agency (https://www.washoesheriff.com/staying-safe.php) Other Sheriffs' Offices around the country might have even more useful links for survivors/victims of crimes.

Lawyers could provide even more useful information if they would give away some of the tricks of their trade. I have actually seen some of my classmates from the U of MN Law School Class of 1989 providing some of this kind of information in their respective communities and fields of legal expertise.

I remember when Priscilla Ford did something similar to this Canadian man. This was in Reno, Nevada on a Thanksgiving Day in 1980.
Priscilla Ford - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Ford) Mentally Ill Woman Dies After 20 Years on Nevada's Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center (https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1375)

Priscilla Joyce Ford
Priscilla Joyce Ford.jpg
Born Priscilla Joyce Ford
February 10, 1929
Died January 29, 2005 (aged 75)
Southern Nevada Women's Correctional Center, North Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
Cause of death Emphysema
Occupation Teacher
Criminal penalty Death
Children 3
Details
Date November 27, 1980
3:00 pm
Location(s) Reno, Nevada, United States
Killed 7
Injured 22
Weapons 1974 Lincoln Continental
Priscilla Joyce Ford (February 10, 1929[1] – January 29, 2005[2]) was a mass murderer who was sentenced to death after driving her 1974 blue Lincoln Continental down a sidewalk in downtown Reno, Nevada on Thanksgiving Day in 1980.[3] The attack killed six people and injured 23 more. Ford had been diagnosed as having paranoid schizophrenia with violent tendencies, she had been treated and released by seven different hospitals before moving to Reno in 1980.[4] Ford launched numerous appeals against her death sentence, all of which failed. A heavy smoker, she died at the age of 75 after suffering from emphysema.

[DeanFL]

recommendations>

1. Ban rental vans that may appear menacing

2. Background checks to rent

3. Three-day waiting period

I DO NOT want to be insensitive or flippant re this - and actually wondered when hearing this yet-again vehicle mow-down... do our 3 Town Squares have bollards that can slow/stop vehicles? Just checked TV site -live vids of the Squares...NOPE. Never really noticed. Note to TV Security mgt....

I heard on radio news that about 100 people have been killed and many hundreds injured by vehicular attacks as this one in Toronto in the past 5 years or so. (would think it would be higher, but) How many by drunk/sleepy/inattentive(texting) in the USA alone in that period??? MANY times that - but as in anything - like terror, plane or train, fires, you name it - get the media's -and OUR attention.

[Taltarzac725]

recommendations>

1. Ban rental vans that may appear menacing

2. Background checks to rent

3. Three-day waiting period

I DO NOT want to be insensitive or flippant re this - and actually wondered when hearing this yet-again vehicle mow-down... do our 3 Town Squares have bollards that can slow/stop vehicles? Just checked TV site -live vids of the Squares...NOPE. Never really noticed. Note to TV Security mgt....

I heard on radio news that about 100 people have been killed and many hundreds injured by vehicular attacks as this one in Toronto in the past 5 years or so. (would think it would be higher, but) How many by drunk/sleepy/inattentive(texting) in the USA alone in that period??? MANY times that - but as in anything - like terror, plane or train, fires, you name it - get the media's -and OUR attention.

Do agree that the Villages management should be thinking that this could happen here. And doing things to prevent it.

[ColdNoMore]

recommendations>

1. Ban rental vans that may appear menacing

2. Background checks to rent

3. Three-day waiting period

I DO NOT want to be insensitive or flippant re this - and actually wondered when hearing this yet-again vehicle mow-down... do our 3 Town Squares have bollards that can slow/stop vehicles? Just checked TV site -live vids of the Squares...NOPE. Never really noticed. Note to TV Security mgt....

I heard on radio news that about 100 people have been killed and many hundreds injured by vehicular attacks as this one in Toronto in the past 5 years or so. (would think it would be higher, but) How many by drunk/sleepy/inattentive(texting) in the USA alone in that period??? MANY times that - but as in anything - like terror, plane or train, fires, you name it - get the media's -and OUR attention.

Something that could save about 10,000 times as many lives, would be a standard breathalyzer from the manufacturer in every vehicle that one would have to breath in...before a vehicle would start and a person could drive it.

Then we could discuss an 'obesity meter' that could cut down on the potential disaster of an obese person having a sudden heart attack...while driving a motor vehicle.

I guess my point is, that some folks seem to be much more afraid of what is thousands of times less likely to kill them...than those things that are much more likely to take their life.

I, quite frankly, find it hard to comprehend...irrational fears. :shrug:

[Bogie Shooter]

recommendations>

1. Ban rental vans that may appear menacing

2. Background checks to rent

3. Three-day waiting period

I DO NOT want to be insensitive or flippant re this - and actually wondered when hearing this yet-again vehicle mow-down... do our 3 Town Squares have bollards that can slow/stop vehicles? Just checked TV site -live vids of the Squares...NOPE. Never really noticed. Note to TV Security mgt....

I heard on radio news that about 100 people have been killed and many hundreds injured by vehicular attacks as this one in Toronto in the past 5 years or so. (would think it would be higher, but) How many by drunk/sleepy/inattentive(texting) in the USA alone in that period??? MANY times that - but as in anything - like terror, plane or train, fires, you name it - get the media's -and OUR attention.

Well, bollards could be added every 6 feet around the squares, snipers could be located on the roof tops just in case.
Come on, life is a risk every day of our lives. Not every threat (real or not) can be prevented.

[Bucco]

Lots of conjecture, but I am going to maintain that these are facts...

.....We, along with other countries, have been invaded cyber wise by at least one foreign country. I speak not only of the election cycle but any issue that is national (guns for example)

.....We know how they did it, and we know who did it.

.....They feed false information and lies to sow discord where and how they want to. This false information and hate talk, to any person with mental instability, can be what pushes them over the edge. Meanwhile, those without those instabilities are making decision on who to fear and what to fear based on false premise.

Russian bots behind '4,000% rise' in spread of lies after Salisbury and Syria attacks - Govt analysis (https://news.sky.com/story/russian-bots-behind-4000-rise-in-spread-of-lies-after-salisbury-and-syria-attacks-11338466)

The Russians fooled us once, but we don't have to let them fool us twice (Opinion) - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/11/opinions/american-response-russian-information-war-opinion-bruen/index.html)

We watched a number of hearings where we find that FACEBOOK alone was the biggest NEWS source for most, and we also found that much of that news is NOT TRUE, and is meant to disrupt our society or whatever country is being invaded.

THIS we KNOW.....THESE ARE FACTS. Not conjecture

Yet, we do very little, if anything at all.

YES, news cycles are a part.....yes we need to be careful of our borders (except we ignore the cyber border under attack).

This is not going to stop unless we do something about it. They are not spreading joy on social media....they are spreading hate on social media.....they DO influence our country and they DID invade.

Is social media all the blame....heck no.......our reluctance to admit we are being played, and our reluctance to even fight back is also part of it.

WILL now walk away from this because some have made up their mind based on something which is never stated. This is based on factual information and I, for one at least, cannot understand the reluctance to fight back against something that can kill minds

[rivaridger1]

I really hate to say it, but it seems to me at one time the mentally ill were not the danger to society they are now. I suspect this Canadian citizen ultimately will be diagnosed as suffering from this disability. The Canadian news sources do a " wonderful " job, like their US counterparts, of covering mass killings to the point of ad nauseam. US news is a big part of their coverage since so many Canadians live near the border. I do not know what sets the mentally ill off, but suppose it might have something to do with running with a news story and beating it to death.

[Taltarzac725]

Well, bollards could be added every 6 feet around the squares, snipers could be located on the roof tops just in case.
Come on, life is a risk every day of our lives. Not every threat (real or not) can be prevented.

My guess is that the various Sheriffs' Offices that guard the various Squares here in the Villages are thinking about what might happen. And making plans of some kind. Some of them probably read Talk of the Villages and I follow Marion, Lake and Sumter County Sheriffs' offices on Facebook and can talk with them. I do sometimes direct them to certain TOTV threads as well. As should other concerned people.

[ColdNoMore]

Lots of conjecture, but I am going to maintain that these are facts...

.....We, along with other countries, have been invaded cyber wise by at least one foreign country. I speak not only of the election cycle but any issue that is national (guns for example)

.....We know how they did it, and we know who did it.

.....They feed false information and lies to sow discord where and how they want to. This false information and hate talk, to any person with mental instability, can be what pushes them over the edge. Meanwhile, those without those instabilities are making decision on who to fear and what to fear based on false premise.

Russian bots behind '4,000% rise' in spread of lies after Salisbury and Syria attacks - Govt analysis (https://news.sky.com/story/russian-bots-behind-4000-rise-in-spread-of-lies-after-salisbury-and-syria-attacks-11338466)

The Russians fooled us once, but we don't have to let them fool us twice (Opinion) - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/11/opinions/american-response-russian-information-war-opinion-bruen/index.html)

We watched a number of hearings where we find that FACEBOOK alone was the biggest NEWS source for most, and we also found that much of that news is NOT TRUE, and is meant to disrupt our society or whatever country is being invaded.

THIS we KNOW.....THESE ARE FACTS. Not conjecture

Yet, we do very little, if anything at all.

YES, news cycles are a part.....yes we need to be careful of our borders (except we ignore the cyber border under attack).

This is not going to stop unless we do something about it. They are not spreading joy on social media....they are spreading hate on social media.....they DO influence our country and they DID invade.

Is social media all the blame....heck no.......our reluctance to admit we are being played, and our reluctance to even fight back is also part of it.

WILL now walk away from this because some have made up their mind based on something which is never stated. This is based on factual information and I, for one at least, cannot understand the reluctance to fight back against something that can kill minds

Interjecting facts into an emotional subject...is no fair! :mad:



:D

[Taltarzac725]

I really hate to say it, but it seems to me at one time the mentally ill were not the danger to society they are now. I suspect this Canadian citizen ultimately will be diagnosed as suffering from this disability. The Canadian news sources do a " wonderful " job, like their US counterparts, of covering mass killings to the point of ad nauseam. US news is a big part of their coverage since so many Canadians live near the border. I do not know what sets the mentally ill off, but suppose it might have something to do with running with a news story and beating it to death.

The mentally ill are usually the victims/survivors of crimes. Not those who do it.

[DeanFL]

Well, bollards could be added every 6 feet around the squares, snipers could be located on the roof tops just in case.
Come on, life is a risk every day of our lives. Not every threat (real or not) can be prevented.

I tend to be a REALIST, within reason - and a bit of a "Better safe than sorry" guy too.

Bollards at pedestrian entrances to the dance floor areas would IMO be a reasonable safety measure, and would not require too many and not too $$$$.

But I can foresee some saying -rightfully- people can and will walk right into them and cause injury. Lawsuits. I wince when thinking of a guy hitting one dead-center. :cus: Would limit his dance career for a while. Never simple answers when it comes to safety vs over-reach etc...

[rustyp]

recommendations>

1. Ban rental vans that may appear menacing

2. Background checks to rent

3. Three-day waiting period

I DO NOT want to be insensitive or flippant re this - and actually wondered when hearing this yet-again vehicle mow-down... do our 3 Town Squares have bollards that can slow/stop vehicles? Just checked TV site -live vids of the Squares...NOPE. Never really noticed. Note to TV Security mgt....

I heard on radio news that about 100 people have been killed and many hundreds injured by vehicular attacks as this one in Toronto in the past 5 years or so. (would think it would be higher, but) How many by drunk/sleepy/inattentive(texting) in the USA alone in that period??? MANY times that - but as in anything - like terror, plane or train, fires, you name it - get the media's -and OUR attention.

I tried not to feed the crazies in a different post and thought people here could read between the lines without spelling it out - maybe some did but apparently many did not - make the town squares golf cart only accessible for safety's sake !

[Taltarzac725]

I tried not to feed the crazies in a different post and thought people here could read between the lines without spelling it out - maybe some did but apparently many did not - make the town squares golf cart only accessible for safety's sake !

That is a good idea. You could keep the Squares safe with a few well placed heavy vehicles and they need not be the dump trucks, garbage trucks, etc. you see in NYC and Boston . Not safe from every possible scenario though. This is the Villages and not DC, Boston, Minneapolis nor NYC. We do not have to think of every possible means available to someone who might want to do violence on innocent people.

[Kenswing]

That is a good idea. You could keep the Squares safe with a few well placed heavy vehicles and they need not be the dump trucks, garbage trucks, etc. you see in NYC and Boston . Not safe from every possible scenario though. This is the Villages and not DC, Boston, Minneapolis nor NYC. We do not have to think of every possible means available to someone who might want to do violence on innocent people.
People who want to kill will find a way to kill. They always have and they always will. Without an unlimited budget for security you're fighting a losing battle. Do you really want to turn The Villages into a hardened security zone?

Put up all the barriers you want. Might stop the cars but what about the guy that just walks up with a pressure cooker bomb in his backpack? For every security measure you put into place someone will just find an alternate method to counter it.

Be cognizant of your surroundings. If you're really concerned stay away from places that would make good targets. The statistical chance of being killed in a terrorist or any other attack are miniscule.

Don't live in fear.

[graciegirl]

People who want to kill will find a way to kill. They always have and they always will. Without an unlimited budget for security you're fighting a losing battle. Do you really want to turn The Villages into a hardened security zone?

Put up all the barriers you want. Might stop the cars but what about the guy that just walks up with a pressure cooker bomb in his backpack? For every security measure you put into place someone will just find an alternate method to counter it.

Be cognizant of your surroundings. If you're really concerned stay away from places that would make good targets. The statistical chance of being killed in a terrorist or any other attack are miniscule.

Don't live in fear.

I very much agree. According to valid research, most Americans do worry about Islamic terrorists, but I doubt if many change their lives because of the worry. Or allow it to dampen their overall positive attitude. I feel confident that both our Federal and local governments are aware of any dangers if they exist. I think tightening our borders is a good thing.

This from Pew Research; In debates, voters want to hear most about terrorism, economy | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/15/in-debates-voters-want-to-hear-most-about-terrorism-and-the-economy/)

[Bogie Shooter]

That is a good idea. You could keep the Squares safe with a few well placed heavy vehicles and they need not be the dump trucks, garbage trucks, etc. you see in NYC and Boston . Not safe from every possible scenario though. This is the Villages and not DC, Boston, Minneapolis nor NYC. We do not have to think of every possible means available to someone who might want to do violence on innocent people.

Heavy vehicles? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Have you lost your mind?

[Taltarzac725]

Heavy vehicles? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Have you lost your mind?

They could rent some u-hauls and put advertising on them for instance to block entry for anything but golf carts at times when there is a large crowd on one or all of the Squares. That way the Villages continues to make $$$ from the advertisements on the u-haul vans and also has some blockage.

[CFrance]

I think this social media has put more fuel on the fire and given more incentive to the crazies. How do we stop this ?
By not rushing to post every single bad thing like this that happens, with links included? Just feeds the frenzy.

[graciegirl]

By not rushing to post every single bad thing like this that happens, with links included? Just feeds the frenzy.

In other words not talking about it openly?

[Kenswing]

Heavy vehicles? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Have you lost your mind?

Maybe they could get old train cars and place them strategically. You could even serve beer and food from them.. That would even fit in with the décor.. lol

[CFrance]

In other words not talking about it openly?
Yes. Every single bad thing doesn't have to be posted on social media.

[ColdNoMore]

Heavy vehicles? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Have you lost your mind?

Although it stings a little... :agree:



:D

[ColdNoMore]

Yes. Every single bad thing doesn't have to be posted on social media.

And pass up the opportunity to publicly complain...about the publicity the perp(s) get?


That's downright...Un-American. :D

[graciegirl]

Yes. Every single bad thing doesn't have to be posted on social media.

No, but it is healthy to discuss our concerns. I am confused that when this subject is brought up, the subject of Islamic terrorism, that many people try to make light of it; saying it doesn't happen often, more people die from this or that, and even calling people racist who are concerned about it.

One of our villagers grandson was killed by an Islamic terrorist five years at the Boston Marathon and his little sister had her leg blown off.

[Bucco]

No, but it is healthy to discuss our concerns. I am confused that when this subject is brought up, the subject of Islamic terrorism, that many people try to make light of it; saying it doesn't happen often, more people die from this or that, and even calling people racist who are concerned about it.

One of our villagers grandson was killed by an Islamic terrorist five years at the Boston Marathon and his little sister had her leg blown off.

I, for one, never thought this thread was about any extremists of any ilk...EVER.

I am not sure, especially after all the violent behavior (NY subway push on tracks, school shootings, Waffle House shooting, etc) which never approached any terrorist activity, certainly the word Muslim does not deserve mention AT ALL.

The NY situation had political overtones, but it is extremely unfair to even mention it. Every "bad actor" especially acting alone can say what they want of their motivations.

As I said earlier, we have been cyber attacked.....we get fed a string of lies on Facebook, etc daily simply to rouse emotions. THAT should be of concern.

To jump to the same conclusion about every chaotic situation or killing and defame a religion each time is unfair. As a poster said earlier.....wait, read and get educated before jumping online and implying a terrible accusation about any human being.

Rest assured, the minute a Muslim does anything, it will be everywhere on line and used as an example.

Does anyone know the religion of any of these last few instances or care ?

Nobody should defend any terrorist acts, any killings, beatings or such acts that are simply based on hate of skin color, religion or absolutely anything. Doesnot matter to me what religion these people are.

"White supremacists and other far-right groups committed the majority of extremist-related murders in the United States last year, according to a new report by the Anti-Defamation League."

White supremacists committed most extremist killings in 2017, ADL says (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-supremacists-committed-most-extremist-killings-2017-adl-says-n838896)

White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox (https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam)

I bring these things up only because MUSLIMS seem to be the only group you fear

Again, as I said, when these horrible things happen MY first thought is how life changing it is for people who were simply going about a daily routine. Life never the same. To answer your question in post 1, that is my first thought

[redwitch]

Canada has pretty much decided this was NOT a terrorist attack. Like Bucco, my first thought went to the people dead and injured, not to why it was done. To automatically assume an event is related to terrorism is just wrong IMO. To blame it on Muslims with no facts is, at best, prejudicial. At worst, racist and bigoted. Wrong in either event. Get the facts before assuming or blaming.

[ColdNoMore]

Canada has pretty much decided this was NOT a terrorist attack. Like Bucco, my first thought went to the people dead and injured, not to why it was done. To automatically assume an event is related to terrorism is just wrong IMO. To blame it on Muslims with no facts is, at best, prejudicial. At worst, racist and bigoted. Wrong in either event. Get the facts before assuming or blaming.

The same applies to those who are more worried about a demographic who they fear might kill them, rather than being more concerned about...that which is thousands of times MORE likely to kill them. :oops:

Makes absolutely no sense to me. :ohdear:

[graciegirl]

Canada has pretty much decided this was NOT a terrorist attack. Like Bucco, my first thought went to the people dead and injured, not to why it was done. To automatically assume an event is related to terrorism is just wrong IMO. To blame it on Muslims with no facts is, at best, prejudicial. At worst, racist and bigoted. Wrong in either event. Get the facts before assuming or blaming.

My first thought was that it was a terrorist attack. They don't run a crawl on your computer if it is a multiple hit and run. I don't see why thinking it was terrorism is wrong. There have been many incidents, two in France, One in Germany during Christmas season and one on the bridge over the Thames that were terrorists driving vehicles into crowds in order to kill people.

This was just flashed on my computer; Read the second to last sentence. "Authorities have not ruled out terrorism". Are they bigots and racist for considering it a possibility?

First Toronto van attack victim ID'd as woman who worked in investment management (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/first-toronto-van-attack-victim-idd-as-woman-who-worked-in-investment-management/ar-AAwgTFA?ocid=spartandhp)

[Bucco]

My first thought was that it was a terrorist attack. They don't run a crawl on your computer if it is a multiple hit and run. I don't see why thinking it was terrorism is wrong. There have been many incidents, two in France, One in Germany during Christmas season and one on the bridge over the Thames that were terrorists driving vehicles into crowds in order to kill people.

This was just flashed on my computer; Read the second to last sentence. "Authorities have not ruled out terrorism". Are they bigots and racist for considering it a possibility?

First Toronto van attack victim ID'd as woman who worked in investment management (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/first-toronto-van-attack-victim-idd-as-woman-who-worked-in-investment-management/ar-AAwgTFA?ocid=spartandhp)

Not worth arguing about, but you specified a certain religion.

Last few terrorist attacks in US...an attack on Planned Parenthood and a killing by white supremicist

Not sure but think the last one in Canada had to do with Somalia. Not sure of this...off top of my head

[GoodLife]

Canada has pretty much decided this was NOT a terrorist attack. Like Bucco, my first thought went to the people dead and injured, not to why it was done. To automatically assume an event is related to terrorism is just wrong IMO. To blame it on Muslims with no facts is, at best, prejudicial. At worst, racist and bigoted. Wrong in either event. Get the facts before assuming or blaming.

Canada has decided it's not terrorism? Depends on who you ask.

Toronto Sun Editor-in-Chief Adrienne Batra asks National Comment Editor Anthony Furey if the attack was terrorism.

“You bet it was,” Furey said. “It may not fit the typical definitions of terrorism defined by the criminal code. But this is a guy who took this straight from the terror extremists’ playbook.”

Muslims and idealogues are not the only ones who can commit terrorism. I can assure you that the people mowed down by this idiot were terrorized.

[Bucco]

Canada has decided it's not terrorism? Depends on who you ask.

Toronto Sun Editor-in-Chief Adrienne Batra asks National Comment Editor Anthony Furey if the attack was terrorism.

“You bet it was,” Furey said. “It may not fit the typical definitions of terrorism defined by the criminal code. But this is a guy who took this straight from the terror extremists’ playbook.”

Muslims and idealogues are not the only ones who can commit terrorism. I can assure you that the people mowed down by this idiot were terrorized.

Nobody ever doubted that.

I, along with others pointed out that our first thought was the terror and life changing events and how it must be horrible to with.

But, it was not in anyway connected to any religion.

Of course it was terrorism........a robbery of a 7/11 is terrorism for gosh sake.

[redwitch]

Terrorism in the sense that the victims, onlookers and even we newshounds were shocked and terrorized? Yes. Terrorism in the sense it was in the name of a cause or religion? Probably not according to what I’ve read.

To have your first thought be that an act of violence is an act of terrorism that is Muslim based is, to me, very sad. I would hope that the first thoughts would go to the victims and their families. To do a post on a public forum that hints or suggests it was an act of political or religious terrorism of ANY sort without any facts is, to me, just plain wrong and frequently just continues fermenting baseless hatred and fear.

[ColdNoMore]

Terrorism in the sense that the victims, onlookers and even we newshounds were shocked and terrorized? Yes. Terrorism in the sense it was in the name of a cause or religion? Probably not according to what I’ve read.

To have your first thought be that an act of violence is an act of terrorism that is Muslim based is, to me, very sad. I would hope that the first thoughts would go to the victims and their families. To do a post on a public forum that hints or suggests it was an act of political or religious terrorism of ANY sort without any facts is, to me, just plain wrong and frequently just continues fermenting baseless hatred and fear.

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

[rustyp]

When I, Grace Gantner, read that a rented van has deliberately run into a lot of people, I think it is probably a terrorist driving. An immigrant from another country who hates us. Or hates western values.

That is what I think.

Some thoughts are more appropriate to be left in your mind. Stop ! Think ! Think how social media is feeding these acts. I don't know how to completely stop these heinous acts but I do feel quite confident there would not be as many if it got less publicity - almost gorification in a strange way. So to that point what really was the purpose of starting this thread. I would have asked does anyone know what happened with the white van ........ ?

[Bucco]

Terrorism in the sense that the victims, onlookers and even we newshounds were shocked and terrorized? Yes. Terrorism in the sense it was in the name of a cause or religion? Probably not according to what I’ve read.

To have your first thought be that an act of violence is an act of terrorism that is Muslim based is, to me, very sad. I would hope that the first thoughts would go to the victims and their families. To do a post on a public forum that hints or suggests it was an act of political or religious terrorism of ANY sort without any facts is, to me, just plain wrong and frequently just continues fermenting baseless hatred and fear.

Well said.

I always come up short when trying to express these same feelings.

So many so infected with outside induced fear

[charmed59]

According to USA Today, the white male killer’s last Facebook post called for an “incel rebellion”. They said the incel stands for involuntarily celibate, and blame young beautiful white women that won’t sleep with them. Definitely extremist, just not at all having anything to do with religion or immigrants.

[graciegirl]

According to USA Today, the white male killer’s last Facebook post called for an “incel rebellion”. They said the incel stands for involuntarily celibate, and blame young beautiful white women that won’t sleep with them. Definitely extremist, just not at all having anything to do with religion or immigrants.

That is true. Nonetheless when I heard it, I thought it would be an Islamic terrorist. Our older daughter and her husband leave for London this summer for three years on government business. I worry about them there.

[rustyp]

According to USA Today, the white male killer’s last Facebook post called for an “incel rebellion”. They said the incel stands for involuntarily celibate, and blame young beautiful white women that won’t sleep with them. Definitely extremist, just not at all having anything to do with religion or immigrants.

I golf with a whole village full of these guys. But most of these guys drive white Cadillacs.

[Taltarzac725]

According to USA Today, the white male killer’s last Facebook post called for an “incel rebellion”. They said the incel stands for involuntarily celibate, and blame young beautiful white women that won’t sleep with them. Definitely extremist, just not at all having anything to do with religion or immigrants.

Kind of a twist on Lysistrata. Lysistrata by Aristophanes - Free Ebook (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/7700/7700-h/7700-h.htm)

A group of Greek women keep sexual favors away from their husbands until they give up war. Some murderer goes berserk because he is not getting enough sex. Or any in this matter.