Irresponsible gun owner(s)

[champion6]

The Daily Sun reports of burglaries and thefts at the Village of Mission Hills and the Village of Malory Square.

"A total of 11 cars were burglarized, (SCSO Maj. James) Hayward said. For the thieves, these were simple crimes of opportunity, aided by owners who left valuables in their cars and failed to lock the doors, Hayward said."

Two handguns were stolen. How stupid can a gun owner be?!? We can't tell if it's one gun in two cars or two guns in the same car. But it doesn't matter. How totally irresponsible can a gun owner be?!?

[Rapscallion St Croix]

How irresponsible can a car owner be?

[MikeV]

How irresponsible can a car owner be?



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[VillageIdiots]

I'm reading this right? Car gets broken into, most likely lawfully owned and very well likely lawfully concealed guns, and it's the gun owner's fault? So I suppose it was an irresponsible car manufacturer who made a car that could be broken into? How far up the chain do you go exactly? Oh, wait, no farther - once you get to the gun owner, you stop there. Let's not blame the thieves for it was a simple crime of opportunity, they couldn't help themselves. After all, there is a spark of divinity in all of us.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I agree. Owning a gun comes with a huge responsibility. You need to know where it is at all times and it needs to be locked up when it's not in your possession. For someone to leave a loaded gun in an unlocked vehicle is unforgivable.

On another note, I'm surprised to hear that so many cars were left outside. Why were they not in garages?

[Wing-nut2]

Golf clubs left on the back of carts, open garage doors, unlocked doors, what the hell do you expect? This isn't the only irresponsible Villager.

[Boomer]

I see the TOTV drawing and quartering of the owner has begun.

BUT --

Do you know for sure the car was left unlocked?

Did the owner think the car was locked?

I have not read the news article, but when I saw this topic come up, I decided to revisit and share a post of mine from last fall. (I still do not like my keyless entry. And if you think this is not a real concern, please give it a Google. By the way, although it is a little bit of a hassle, there are ways to protect your signal.)

I hope you will read this and consider the possibility and if you have a car with a keyless entry, be aware. TV would be easy pickins' for criminals who can easily and cheaply get this device. Sometimes the car itself is stolen.

Somebody at The Daily Sun needs to do a little homework and write an article on this topic to make people in TV more aware of this all-too-easy entry -- no breaking necessary.


Here is my old post:

Does anybody know how to prevent keyless entry remote hacking?


Today, someone attempted to hack our Accord’s Keyless Entry. (We are not back in TV yet so it did not happen there.)

Anyway, we were getting out of the car in a restaurant parking lot when Mr. Boomer could not lock the car. The remote was in his pocket. He had manually pushed the driver’s side lock, which is what we usually do. When it would not lock, he pushed down all 4 locks which seemed to work, but we never found out for sure because........

This all took place in less than a minute, at which point, Mr. Boomer said, “Somebody is messing with us.” And so we immediately got back in the car and left.

That was when Mr. B explained to me what was going on. I had no idea that such a possibility existed. Turns out, there are devices available cheap that make it possible for bad guys to get into your car without breaking in.

I have never liked my keyless entry, even though I finally got used to NOT checking the door handle to see if the car was locked.

Had a thief been successful in getting into our car, a couple of Bed, Bath and Beyond coupons and my raincoat would have been it, but still — this is creepy.

Does anybody out there in TOTVland know of a way to prevent a keyless entry from being hacked?

[manaboutown]

Perhaps The Villages tragically ain't the place it used to be and it is time to adopt "city rules".

[Mickedamouse24]

:boom: I totally agree! The Villages has attracted itself as a totally defenseless "rather large city!" Easy pickings for today's theifs and criminals at large! NO DEDICATED LAW ENFORCEMENT TO COVER IT'S EVER GROWING AREA! Besides the fact that The Villages is quickly spreading into areas that are suspect to say the least! It seems that sense of safety is gone out with the discarded building materials! Just think of the many contractors and outside workers that traverse the neighborhoods on a daily basis!! It ain't like it use to be by any means!!:ohdear:

[jane032657]

Before the pious continue their judgement, one of the incidents involved someone who had just had a significant surgical procedure at a hospital outside The Villages. Upon arriving home, she needed to get into bed and needed assistance. In the frenzy, the car was not locked as the attention was on her health. This is a responsible couple. While it is unfortunate that the car was not locked, no one had any business being in a car that does not belong to them. Life happens, and people err. Do not be so quick with your tongue. When you do something out of the ordinary which you would normally be careful about because of an adverse circumstance, I hope people will offer you grace instead of persecution.

[ColdNoMore]

Before the pious continue their judgement, one of the incidents involved someone who had just had a significant surgical procedure at a hospital outside The Villages. Upon arriving home, she needed to get into bed and needed assistance. In the frenzy, the car was not locked as the attention was on her health. This is a responsible couple. While it is unfortunate that the car was not locked, no one had any business being in a car that does not belong to them. Life happens, and people err. Do not be so quick with your tongue. When you do something out of the ordinary which you would normally be careful about because of an adverse circumstance, I hope people will offer you grace instead of persecution.

:thumbup:

[Bucco]

Before the pious continue their judgement, one of the incidents involved someone who had just had a significant surgical procedure at a hospital outside The Villages. Upon arriving home, she needed to get into bed and needed assistance. In the frenzy, the car was not locked as the attention was on her health. This is a responsible couple. While it is unfortunate that the car was not locked, no one had any business being in a car that does not belong to them. Life happens, and people err. Do not be so quick with your tongue. When you do something out of the ordinary which you would normally be careful about because of an adverse circumstance, I hope people will offer you grace instead of persecution.

Judgements abound on this forum.

We are blessed to have so many righteous, wonderful, all knowing people and to have them so willing to share their wonderfulness with us is simply an added blessing.

[ColdNoMore]

Judgements abound on this forum.

We are blessed to have so many righteous, wonderful, all knowing people and to have them so willing to share their wonderfulness with us is simply an added blessing.

Nailed it!


:boom:

[Bucco]

Nailed it!


:boom:

Opinions are great. I do not find opinions much on this forum.

Pretty much ....label, decide, type and condemn.

AND IT SEEMS ALWAYS....

WITHOUT any facts to substantiate that "opinion" whatsoever, just the posters almighty wonderfulness.

[ColdNoMore]

Opinions are great. I do not find opinions much on this forum.

Pretty much ....label, decide, type and condemn.

AND IT SEEMS ALWAYS....

WITHOUT any facts to substantiate that "opinion" whatsoever, just the posters almighty wonderfulness.

Not to forget: 'Find as many like-minded people as possible, send lots of PM's and urge them...to dog-pile with personal attacks on the target.' :oops:

[Boomer]

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Never mind. I just saved myself from siding with you two. (I try to avoid getting into stuff. But, hey, I know what you mean.)

I wish I could stop looking in at this place It is embarrassing to me to look at how long I have stayed at the fair. "Oh dear, what can the matter be?" -- I have no idea, except it is like theater sometimes. Free theater.

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm reading this right? Car gets broken into, most likely lawfully owned and very well likely lawfully concealed guns, and it's the gun owner's fault? So I suppose it was an irresponsible car manufacturer who made a car that could be broken into? How far up the chain do you go exactly? Oh, wait, no farther - once you get to the gun owner, you stop there. Let's not blame the thieves for it was a simple crime of opportunity, they couldn't help themselves. After all, there is a spark of divinity in all of us.
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[ColdNoMore]

And slither around and get posts removed and/or threads closed -- posts that were not personal attacks but opinions that might not fit the script.

You've noticed that too?

Almost like clockwork, the usual suspects will purposely initiate personal attacks in the hope of, at a minimum, having certain posts they don't agree with removed...at worst get the entire thread closed. :ohdear:




PS. And yes, these are generic posts without anyone mentioned and are within the rules...so they should be allowed to stay. :ho:

[Boomer]

You've noticed that too?

Almost like clockwork, the usual suspects will purposely initiate personal attacks in the hope of, at a minimum, having certain posts they don't agree with removed...at worst get the entire thread closed. :ohdear:




PS. And yes, these are generic posts without anyone mentioned and are within the rules...so they should be allowed to stay. :ho:


EEK! Cold, you caught me. I rethought bothering with revealing my instinctive abilities. I had just taken out my insightful, though snarky, remark. Gotta hand it to you, Cold, you got there fast. :shocked:

[ColdNoMore]

EEK! Cold, you caught me. I rethought bothering with revealing my instinctive abilities. I had just taken out my insightful, though snarky, remark. Gotta hand it to you, Cold, you got there fast. :shocked:

Just call me...'Quick-draw Magoo.'


Or something like that. :1rotfl:


I DO appreciate your honesty though. :thumbup:

[thetruth]

The Daily Sun reports of burglaries and thefts at the Village of Mission Hills and the Village of Malory Square.

"A total of 11 cars were burglarized, (SCSO Maj. James) Hayward said. For the thieves, these were simple crimes of opportunity, aided by owners who left valuables in their cars and failed to lock the doors, Hayward said."

Two handguns were stolen. How stupid can a gun owner be?!? We can't tell if it's one gun in two cars or two guns in the same car. But it doesn't matter. How totally irresponsible can a gun owner be?!?

First of all I do lock my car BUT, you would be shocked at how easy it is to break in. Same is true of your home.

We tend to think someone breaking in is concerned, as you would be, about scratching paint etc. Their goal is to get in and out as quickly as possible. LAW? Law always strikes me as strange. If, someone steals your car you, INNOCENT, will be held responsible for damages the THIEF causes with YOUR PROPERTY that they stole. The same is true for guns stolen from your car or your home.

[ColdNoMore]

First of all I do lock my car BUT, you would be shocked at how easy it is to break in. Same is true of your home.

We tend to think someone breaking in is concerned, as you would be, about scratching paint etc. Their goal is to get in and out as quickly as possible. LAW? Law always strikes me as strange.

If, someone steals your car you, INNOCENT, will be held responsible for damages the THIEF causes with YOUR PROPERTY that they stole. The same is true for guns stolen from your car or your home.

Absolutely and patently...FALSE. :oops:

It CAN happen, but it takes a lot to prove negligence...and being held liable.

How liable is the owner of a stolen gun or car later used to harm another person? | NOLA.com (http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/11/how_liable_is_the_owner_of_a_s.html)
Under the legal doctrine of proximate cause, LeCesne said the act of stealing the car and the recklessness or negligence involved in hitting or injuring another victim would supersede the car owner's negligence in leaving the car unsecured.

He didn't know of any cases in which a car owner had been sued or found civilly liable for injuries resulting from a stolen car.

Despite the slim chances of ending up in court, LeCesne said it's just not a good idea to leave guns in unlocked cars. "It's highly irresponsible from a societal standpoint to put others at risk by leaving a weapon in a vehicle and leaving that vehicle unsecured. It's reckless," he said.


FACTS...matter. :ho:

[Henryk]

I'm reading this right? Car gets broken into, most likely lawfully owned and very well likely lawfully concealed guns, and it's the gun owner's fault? So I suppose it was an irresponsible car manufacturer who made a car that could be broken into? How far up the chain do you go exactly? Oh, wait, no farther - once you get to the gun owner, you stop there. Let's not blame the thieves for it was a simple crime of opportunity, they couldn't help themselves. After all, there is a spark of divinity in all of us.

Many cars were unlocked.

[Henryk]

I see the TOTV drawing and quartering of the owner has begun.

BUT --

Do you know for sure the car was left unlocked?

Did the owner think the car was locked?

I have not read the news article, but when I saw this topic come up, I decided to revisit and share a post of mine from last fall. (I still do not like my keyless entry. And if you think this is not a real concern, please give it a Google. By the way, although it is a little bit of a hassle, there are ways to protect your signal.)

I hope you will read this and consider the possibility and if you have a car with a keyless entry, be aware. TV would be easy pickins' for criminals who can easily and cheaply get this device. Sometimes the car itself is stolen.

Somebody at The Daily Sun needs to do a little homework and write an article on this topic to make people in TV more aware of this all-too-easy entry -- no breaking necessary.


Here is my old post:

Does anybody know how to prevent keyless entry remote hacking?


Today, someone attempted to hack our Accord’s Keyless Entry. (We are not back in TV yet so it did not happen there.)

Anyway, we were getting out of the car in a restaurant parking lot when Mr. Boomer could not lock the car. The remote was in his pocket. He had manually pushed the driver’s side lock, which is what we usually do. When it would not lock, he pushed down all 4 locks which seemed to work, but we never found out for sure because........

This all took place in less than a minute, at which point, Mr. Boomer said, “Somebody is messing with us.” And so we immediately got back in the car and left.

That was when Mr. B explained to me what was going on. I had no idea that such a possibility existed. Turns out, there are devices available cheap that make it possible for bad guys to get into your car without breaking in.

I have never liked my keyless entry, even though I finally got used to NOT checking the door handle to see if the car was locked.

Had a thief been successful in getting into our car, a couple of Bed, Bath and Beyond coupons and my raincoat would have been it, but still — this is creepy.

Does anybody out there in TOTVland know of a way to prevent a keyless entry from being hacked?



I don’t get it. What was happening?

[John_W]

The story said, one of the owners left his keys in his unlocked car and it was stolen and later found in Orlando. Does this owner bear any responsibility or is it all the criminals fault? It bothers me because police have to respond and tie up resources because a car owner is negligent. They also allowed the criminals a simple escape and took away an easy opportunity to catch them had they still been on foot.

[Miles42]

its always the criminals fault. i think the arabs have the right idea. chop off the hand of the thief.

[Chatbrat]

I carry , went to a Dr. in Clermont last week-there was a sign on the door--NO Weapons Allowed- i placed my gun in a concealed compartment in my car and locked my car. Situations may arise when a gun must be left in your vehicle.

???- are these no gun zones on private property enforceable in Florida?

[Boomer]

I don’t get it. What was happening?


Hi Henryk,

Here is an older article from the NYT. But if you Google the subject with something like "keyless entry signal hacking" it's out there in lots of legit articles. I had no idea what was going on when it happened to us. But Mr. B knew right away. Whoever was after our signal might have tried to hack too soon.

Soooooo, here's your homework assignment so you will know what I was talking about: :)

Keeping Your Car Safe From Electronic Thieves - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/style/keeping-your-car-safe-from-electronic-thieves.html)

[retiredguy123]

I carry , went to a Dr. in Clermont last week-there was a sign on the door--NO Weapons Allowed- i placed my gun in a concealed compartment in my car and locked my car. Situations may arise when a gun must be left in your vehicle.

???- are these no gun zones on private property enforceable in Florida?
No. A doctor's office can request that you not bring a firearm into the office. But, it is not a crime and cannot be enforced in Florida. If you have a concealed carry license, you can take a firearm almost anywhere with a few exceptions, like bars and Government buildings.

[Carl in Tampa]

I carry , went to a Dr. in Clermont last week-there was a sign on the door--NO Weapons Allowed- i placed my gun in a concealed compartment in my car and locked my car. Situations may arise when a gun must be left in your vehicle.

???- are these no gun zones on private property enforceable in Florida?

Florida law on concealed weapons does not prohibit carrying concealed weapons in self-declared gun free zones on private property. However, if the owner/operator of the property discerns that you are carrying, he can order you to leave, and if you fail to do so you can be arrested for trespassing. (This is not legal advice.)

A full list of places where carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited is at Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html)

Note that places that primarily serve alcoholic beverages is explicitly off limits.

One provision of the statute is "(b) A person licensed under this section shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes."

Get real, people. People carry guns in cars. Virtually every police car you see has some kind of long gun in the trunk.

[Boomer]

Excellent demonstration of a...sesquipedalian use. :thumbup:

You're a real lexicomane. :cool:

Actually, Cold, I am an Episcopalian.

[billethkid]

In addition to the fact lacking, anecdotal, paint with broad brush, general accusation.....the isolated incidents are presented as if what is reported is a general condition....like TV is no longer TV of the past or not my father's village anymore.....emotional, sky is falling catharsis.

[ColdNoMore]

Actually, Cold, I am an Episcopalian.

:1rotfl: :1rotfl:


:thumbup:

[retiredguy123]

Florida law on concealed weapons does not prohibit carrying concealed weapons in self-declared gun free zones on private property. However, if the owner/operator of the property discerns that you are carrying, he can order you to leave, and if you fail to do so you can be arrested for trespassing. (This is not legal advice.)

A full list of places where carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited is at Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html)

Note that places that primarily serve alcoholic beverages is explicitly off limits.

One provision of the statute is "(b) A person licensed under this section shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes."

Get real, people. People carry guns in cars. Virtually every police car you see has some kind of long gun in the trunk.
Correct. However, a person does not even need a concealed carry license to store a firearm in a vehicle. Under Florida law, your house and your vehicle are considered your "castle" and you can have a firearm in them, even without a license.