School shooting in Indianapolis suburb of Noblesville

[graciegirl]

This morning. Shooter in custody. Two injured; adult and 13 year old girl.

[graciegirl]

Someone at school intervened, stopped shooter.

[CFrance]

Someone at school intervened, stopped shooter.
How you know the intervention thing as fact, GG? I've been live-streaming NBC WTHR because our son is the news production dept. mgr there and lived in Noblesville up until late last year. At the first press conference (11-ish), the sheriff specifically stated that there would be no concrete information other than there is a shooter in custody and a student and teacher injured, and that a threat was called into the high school where they took the middle school students. He would not take questions. The rest is hearsay.


Another press conference is scheduled for 2:00 pm.

[NotGolfer]

It's been on the internet and think I heard something on the radio as well.

[CFrance]

It has not been officially released.

[Coal Miner]

Another school shooting today. The gun nuts say HOHUM, so what nothing can be done. Its not the guns, or the type of guns, or the availability of guns, or the type of people who can get guns, no nothing to do with guns. Nothing to do because nothing can be done. Lets send thoughts and prayers to the survivors while the NRA sends money to the sellout politicians. I do wonder who will be next.

[graciegirl]

How you know the intervention thing as fact, GG? I've been live-streaming NBC WTHR because our son is the news production dept. mgr there and lived in Noblesville up until late last year. At the first press conference (11-ish), the sheriff specifically stated that there would be no concrete information other than there is a shooter in custody and a student and teacher injured, and that a threat was called into the high school where they took the middle school students. He would not take questions. The rest is hearsay.


Another press conference is scheduled for 2:00 pm.

Because I live streamed it. We lived there too. Daughter was born there.

I will link it.

[graciegirl]

It has not been officially released.


I read it earlier and heard it on WISH TV

[graciegirl]

How you know the intervention thing as fact, GG? I've been live-streaming NBC WTHR because our son is the news production dept. mgr there and lived in Noblesville up until late last year. At the first press conference (11-ish), the sheriff specifically stated that there would be no concrete information other than there is a shooter in custody and a student and teacher injured, and that a threat was called into the high school where they took the middle school students. He would not take questions. The rest is hearsay.


Another press conference is scheduled for 2:00 pm.


Indiana school shooting: Noblesville science teacher stopped shooter (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2018/05/25/indiana-school-shooting-noblesville-teacher-jason-seaman-stopped-shooter/644379002/)

[CFrance]

I'm going with what the police superintendent said.

[Madelaine Amee]

Someone told my husband about the shooting earlier today and I could find NOTHING on cable TV. Only two shot, so maybe there was not enough people shot to make the big news ............... we need a massacre for people to care! We are becoming immune to violence.

[Madelaine Amee]

I'm going with what the police superintendent said.

Info from my computer .... a minute ago:

1:50 p.m.

A student at an Indiana middle school says he saw his science teacher tackle a fellow student who fired shots inside the classroom.

Seventh-grader Ethan Stonebraker says the class was taking a test at Noblesville West Middle School when the student walked in late, pulled out a gun and started firing.

He says the teacher "immediately ran at him, swatted a gun out of his hand and tackled him to the ground." Stonebraker adds, "if it weren't for him, more of us would have been injured for sure."

The teacher and a student were injured in the shooting. Authorities didn't have any information about their conditions.

That is a GREAT teacher, split second thinking.

[graciegirl]

I'm going with what the police superintendent said.

Jason Seaman is teacher credited with stopping school shooting, according to students - TheIndyChannel.com Indianapolis, IN (https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/jason-seaman-is-teacher-credited-with-stopping-school-shooting-according-to-students)

The Latest: Student says science teacher tackled gunman (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-latest-student-says-science-teacher-tackled-gunman/ar-AAxN5Rt?ocid=spartandhp&ffid=gz)

I wish he had not been shot three times. I wonder how he might have been spared.

[manaboutown]

They need to train and arm teachers here as they do in Israel.

Fortunately in Oklahoma an armed bystander took out a shooter at a restaurant! Chalk up one for the one for the good guys! He or she probably saved some lives and the taxpayers a lot of money on trials, appeals, jail and prison costs, etc.Gunman shot dead by armed bystander in restaurant shooting (https://nypost.com/2018/05/24/armed-bystander-takes-down-gunman-in-restaurant-shooting/?utm_source=facebook_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons)

P.S. Just found out it was two male armed bystanders who took out the shooter. Way to go, guys!

[Spikearoni]

They need to train and arm teachers here as they do in Israel.

Fortunately in Oklahoma an armed bystander took out a shooter at a restaurant! Chalk up one for the one for the good guys! He or she probably saved some lives and the taxpayers a lot of money on trials, appeals, jail and prison costs, etc.Gunman shot dead by armed bystander in restaurant shooting (https://nypost.com/2018/05/24/armed-bystander-takes-down-gunman-in-restaurant-shooting/?utm_source=facebook_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons)

Sorry but I would NOT have wanted to be trained and armed as you suggest. I attended an excellent university in order to develop an expertise in my field of education so that I could best serve my students. I did not choose the teaching profession with any intention of learning how to use a gun to kill intruders. We all have our roles in society and I do not believe that is or should be the domain of educators.

[graciegirl]

Sorry but I would NOT have wanted to be trained and armed as you suggest. I attended an excellent university in order to develop an expertise in my field of education so that I could best serve my students. I did not choose the teaching profession with any intention of learning how to use a gun to kill intruders. We all have our roles in society and I do not believe that is or should be the domain of educators.

You are right. It takes a certain set of skills to be a person who knows how to use a firearm and to protect others. It requires courage and intelligence and a steady hand and a strong character. . However, there are some teachers who do know how and WANT to protect themselves and their students.

I wish someone could have protected that science teacher from being shot three times this morning.

I have never touched a gun nor has anyone in our home. But I do want the option open to own a gun and learn how to use it. With children being raised without being taught as we were, not to kill, I want to keep the option open to protect myself and my loved ones from being harmed as the world may just get more dangerous.

My grandfather and my uncle were police officers and never once used their guns. Times have changed. People do not listen to the commands of police too often and then they are harmed.

[Bill32]

Another school shooting today. The gun nuts say HOHUM, so what nothing can be done. Its not the guns, or the type of guns, or the availability of guns, or the type of people who can get guns, no nothing to do with guns. Nothing to do because nothing can be done. Lets send thoughts and prayers to the survivors while the NRA sends money to the sellout politicians. I do wonder who will be next.

Not me.........................

[Cedwards38]

Arm teachers huh? What's next then? Arming ministers, choir directors, funeral directors, and anyone else who is where people assemble? Please. You know what needs to be done.

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[Cedwards38]

Some facts, if you care......

America's gun culture vs. the world in 5 charts - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html)

[MikeV]

Arm teachers huh? What's next then? Arming ministers, choir directors, funeral directors, and anyone else who is where people assemble? Please. You know what needs to be done.



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Why do we guard everyone and everything with guns but not our schools? You don’t want armed teachers? Fine, why not armed security? Banks, politicians, airports, celebrities etc are protected by guns.


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[manaboutown]

Why do we guard everyone and everything with guns but not our schools? You don’t want armed teachers? Fine, why not armed security? Banks, politicians, airports, celebrities etc are protected by guns.


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:agree:

However many teachers today are not capable as teachers, much less of handling a firearm properly. Those who are allowed or required to carry should be vetted for emotional stability, especially in a crisis situation, and trained to properly handle any firearm they might carry.

Students Snap Photos of Teacher Sleeping in Class | Fox News Insider (http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/20/photos-teacher-allegedly-sleeping-during-class-sparks-outrage)

From the article below:

"One recent review of the evidence by McKinsey & Co., the management consulting firm, showed that most schoolteachers are recruited from the bottom third of college-bound high-school students. (Finland takes the top 10 percent.)

At the same time, the teachers' unions have become more and more powerful. In most states, after two or three years, teachers are given lifetime tenure. It is almost impossible to fire them. In New York City in 2008, three out of 30,000 tenured teachers were dismissed for cause. The statistics are just as eye-popping in other cities. The percentage of teachers dismissed for poor performance in Chicago between 2005 and 2008 (the most recent figures available) was 0.1 percent. In Akron, Ohio, zero percent. In Toledo, 0.01 percent. In Denver, zero percent. In no other socially significant profession are the workers so insulated from accountability. The responsibility does not just fall on the unions. Many principals don't even try to weed out the poor performers (or they transfer them to other schools in what's been dubbed the "dance of the lemons"). Year after year, about 99 percent of all teachers in the United States are rated "satisfactory" by their school systems; firing a teacher invites a costly court battle with the local union."

Why We Must Fire Bad Teachers (http://www.newsweek.com/why-we-must-fire-bad-teachers-69467)

[billethkid]

Another school shooting today. The gun nuts say HOHUM, so what nothing can be done. Its not the guns, or the type of guns, or the availability of guns, or the type of people who can get guns, no nothing to do with guns. Nothing to do because nothing can be done. Lets send thoughts and prayers to the survivors while the NRA sends money to the sellout politicians. I do wonder who will be next.

No it is not the "gun nuts" as your bias states.
It is people with similar appraoch....it has to be discussed as what to do about the guns.
Why do these same folks NOT discuss actions that can be taken to make the schools safer and provide safety for the children. Easy answer. Such talk does not advance the anti gun agenda.

There are many actions that can be taken that would prevent a potential shooter or any other unauthorized person from entering the school.

Why is it not a priority to pursue these actions?
I keep forgetting.....such actions do not promote the anti gun hysteria agenda.

Repeating myself? Yes! Intentionally. The anti gun hysteria being parroted by the uninformed agenda lemmings solves nothing!!!

But is anti gun so doing nothing must be OK, right. Just look at history.

What has changed to make the schools and children safer.

NOTHING!!!