Car or Truck goes thru building inside roundabout!

[Indy-Guy]

Just drove thru the gate at Bailey Trail - Buena Vista and Odell Circle. This is the roundabout in front of the new Sea Breeze Regional Rec Center

Heading west on Odell Circle I noticed the gate was knocked down then I looked up and could see that a car or truck went in and out of the building inside the roundabout. Must of been going very fast. Car or truck left 2 large holes in the building one for entrance one for exit. I say car or truck because it is aq very large hole and I saw a large tire in the building.

Hoping to hear what happened.

[F16 1UB]

Might have been the same person that drove over the island and wiped out the gate, mechanism, island, and all earlier in the week at Hemingway entrance at Odell & Morse. :ohdear: I'm starting to think that the cart path may be safer. Then again there was the lady driving a Honda Accord that I almost collided with ....

[sschuler1]

We saw it too this morning on our way to church. They must have been going pretty fast because they hit the big palm tree in front of the building first and knocked it down before hitting the building. And they still had enough force to take out the cement supports on the building. Can't believe the building didn't fall down on the vehicle.

[ejp52]

Sorry,I dropped my beer and lost control.:1rotfl:

[faithfulfrank]

No pics??

[rshoffer]

My guess is this was a late night high speed crash. The gate exiting Duval was also completely sheared off. The vehicle must have been traveling at a very high rate of speed. There were no skid marks. The vehicle crossed the circle, hopped the curve, took out a one way sigh post and a lot of very large shrubs, then entered one side of the pump house, went COMPLETELY through the pump house and exited through the wall on the other side. I walked over to look inside the building and there are all kinds of car parts, hunks of bumpers, wheels, engine parts. It is an amazing sight. I asked the attendant at the guard house what happened. He said, "I don't know anything" :ohdear:

[graciegirl]

Good Grief!!!

You people are very good reporters. I can just imagine how it looks. Isn't that the only building inside of a traffic circle? it was the first one that came to mind. Please update us off campus that don't get the newspaper.

Just added. Gretchen remembers a building in the middle of the circle by Arnold Palmer. She said it looked like a pumping station.

[rshoffer]

Good Grief!!!

You people are very good reporters. I can just imagine how it looks. Isn't that the only building inside of a traffic circle? it was the first one that came to mind. Please update us off campus that don't get the newspaper.

Just added. Gretchen remembers a building in the middle of the circle by Arnold Palmer. She said it looked like a pumping station.GG... I'd post pix's if i wasn't so computer challenged?

[Whalen]

Tuesday
Friends visiting from St Pete witnessed the aftermath of what appeared to be a head on collision on Morse Blvd and the Colony.

Wed.
Aforementioned accident that took out the Hemingway gate and was probably responsiible the minor blackout some us experienced.
I missed Bunco:cus:

Fri.
On the way to mah jong was delayed because of a major accident on the 466 and Rolling Acres Rd. Disabled vehicles on 3 of the 4 corners.

Sat./Sun.
Taking out of the pumping station on Odel & Buena Vista.

I'm starting to feel like we're all in a bad chase movie.

Just hope no one was seriously injured in last night's acciddent.

[Pturner]

What is the law enforcement jurisdiction? Is there a police report? Did anyone take pictures? It's hard to imagine how the driver got away, especially with engine parts and a tire left behind.

Hey, are all you guys just playing a joke on those of us who aren't there? Did y'all get together at a bar last night and plan this tale. Did this really happened!?

[downeaster]

Tuesday
Friends visiting from St Pete witnessed the aftermath of what appeared to be a head on collision on Morse Blvd and the Colony.

Wed.
Aforementioned accident that took out the Hemingway gate and was probably responsiible the minor blackout some us experienced.
I missed Bunco:cus:

Fri.
On the way to mah jong was delayed because of a major accident on the 466 and Rolling Acres Rd. Disabled vehicles on 3 of the 4 corners.

Sat./Sun.
Taking out of the pumping station on Odel & Buena Vista.

I'm starting to feel like we're all in a bad chase movie.

Just hope no one was seriously injured in last night's acciddent.

Sun.
Someone sideswiped the guard house at the Rt 466 end of Southern Trace. Probably more damage to car than building.

[billethkid]

they must be in a hurry to get home to take their nap or get their geritol....

We need many more cops....many more speed traps....many, many more tickets...let's have TV capable of writing more tickets than Waldo, FL on 301!!!!

Everybody slows down when they get there.
It worked there and would work here too and raise a lot of $$$ for the various counties.

Go git em Dano.

btk

[saratogaman]

I tried to upload a photo of the damage at the Bailey/Odell & Buena Vista roundabout without success. If you look at the scene...starting from the broken exit gate leading westward out of Duval...it appears that the vehicle went in a perfectly straight line through the gate and completely through one of the utility buildings (concrete block construction) located within the roundabout. I saw no skid marks...leading me to believe that the driver had a 'medical emergency' such as heart attack, stroke, seizure, diabetic issue or whatever.
Without regard to the physical damage, I hope the driver survived. Perhaps Monday's paper will have the whole story.

[rshoffer]

I tried to upload a photo of the damage at the Bailey/Odell & Buena Vista roundabout without success. If you look at the scene...starting from the broken exit gate leading westward out of Duval...it appears that the vehicle went in a perfectly straight line through the gate and completely through one of the utility buildings (concrete block construction) located within the roundabout. I saw no skid marks...leading me to believe that the driver had a 'medical emergency' such as heart attack, stroke, seizure, diabetic issue or whatever.
Without regard to the physical damage, I hope the driver survived. Perhaps Monday's paper will have the whole story.If it's in Monday's paper i missed it during a quick scan this AM.

[graciegirl]

Oh boy. Wonder why there was no write up? At least none that I could read online.

Hope the paper isn't going to be harpooned again as "All The News You Need to Know.".

Was there anything in police report section?

[jblum315]

Probably blinded by swirling snow LOL

[Talk Host]

I was in the news business for 45 year. Why wouldn't a community newspaper print a story that the public would clearly be curious about?

I also have another question. Having not seen this accident scene, I'm guessing it was one of the unmanned buildings, Yes? If it had been one of the manned buildings, would the gate keeper have been wiped out too?

[graciegirl]

I am sure the gatekeeper would have been harmed. Thank goodness I THINK it was in the middle of the circle.

[billethkid]

does not enhance the image of TV "lifestyle" nor does it aid in the marketing and sale of properties!
Anybody who thinks the local paper is not controlled is naive.

btk

[rshoffer]

I was in the news business for 45 year. Why wouldn't a community newspaper print a story that the public would clearly be curious about?

I also have another question. Having not seen this accident scene, I'm guessing it was one of the unmanned buildings, Yes? If it had been one of the manned buildings, would the gate keeper have been wiped out too?The gatekeeper surely would have been killed.

[Golf-Tinker]

As I understand it, the destroyed building was located in the center of the roundabout. Many roundabouts have structures within them. No gatekeeper would be present. I suspect the driver was just following the rule: the shortest distance between two point is ....

[Pturner]

I was in news business too, and later marketing. I agree this hurts the credibility of both TV marketing and the Daily Sun.

Curious, I searched the archives of The Villages Daily Sun online. Using several keywords ("accident," "car," "cart," "auto" "wreck," "mishap") I found no previous articles on the subject. Has the Daily Sun printed articles in the past about car or golf cart accidents?

[rshoffer]

The level of property destruction and the distance traveled AFTER smashing through the gate barrier led me to assume this was a high speed chase. That was my suspicion and not fact. I found it odd when I asked the gate attendent what happened and he said, "I don't know anything"

[downeaster]

I drove by the site this AM. As previously stated, it is a concrete block building in the middle of the roundabout. I have no idea why it is there.

I expected to see the vehicle had passed through two opposing walls but it passed through two adjoining walls. In other words it went through at a 45 degree angle.

The Daily Sun has been pretty good about reporting accidents lately. I don't understand why this one was not reported. It was pretty spectacular. Maybe they will catch up tomorrow. It would be helpful to know the cause. We can all learn from others' mistakes.
It would be nice if saratogaman could upload those pics. There is a procedure for that but it is beyond my expertise.

[DougR]

When we went through our Lifestyle Preview Program in December, our Villages agent said there are security cameras located at some of the gates. I wonder now if this is infact true?
I also wonder if there are any cameras in the areas where this vehicle traveled - either before the crash or after fleeing the scene???
From the amount of property damage described, I question whether Law Enforcement sent out a Traffic Crash Investigator?

[Talk Host]

When we went through our Lifestyle Preview Program in December, our Villages agent said there are security cameras located at some of the gates. I wonder now if this is infact true?


Oh, it' true allright. Earlier this year, a community watch guy stepped way out of line and got in my face over nothing at the Chatham gate. I called the community watch office, and they viewed the whole episode on their security camera. The guy was in deep sh##. Thank You security camera.

JLK

[GatbTester]

I cannot believe someone is shocked that the "Stepford" Gate Keepers would not know what happened at the gate or pump house.......after all when one is instructed to wave their hand...and repeat "Welcome to the Villages, have a nice day" a few hundred times a day.......it begins to look mechanical, sound mechanical, and appear mechanical. Yes?:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Larryandlinda]

I cannot believe someone is shocked that the "Stepford" Gate Keepers would not know what happened at the gate or pump house.......after all when one is instructed to wave their hand...and repeat "Welcome to the Villages, have a nice day" a few hundred times a day.......it begins to look mechanical, sound mechanical, and appear mechanical. Yes?:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Disney Animatronics on their days off?
Remember the Twilight Zone with the Mannaquins that got a month each year to be real people??
Marsha? Marsha?

L&L

[rshoffer]

Disney Animatronics on their days off?
Remember the Twilight Zone with the Mannaquins that got a month each year to be real people??
Marsha? Marsha?

L&LYou bet--- 24 hrs of continuous Twilight Zone was on New Years day!

[mommullr]

We too, were interested in what happened at the roundabout at the SeaBreeze / Duval gate. We were paired up today for golf with a gentleman who was just behind the incident. He said " guy in white small size pickup truck just appeared to be confused as to where his truck was in the path of the gate and went on through. Not speeding, not young, maybe just one of us who lost his way home......

[Skip]

I drove by the site this AM. As previously stated, it is a concrete block building in the middle of the roundabout. I have no idea why it is there.

They are "lift stations". They lift the sewer water up to the next level, so gravity can continue to carry it to the waste plant. They have one huge electric pump in them with generator back up in case the electric goes out.

Skip

[marianne237]

Not only did this story not make the newspaper, but the accident across the highway (441/27) did not. A car ran into a doctors office and took out the front wall. No one was hurt fortunately. This is local news and you'd think it would make the local newspaper.

[imbrennan]

Maybe it was being driven by one of those people with a cellphone glued permanently to their ear!

[Bosoxfan]

Not only did this story not make the newspaper, but the accident across the highway (441/27) did not. A car ran into a doctors office and took out the front wall. No one was hurt fortunately. This is local news and you'd think it would make the local newspaper.
If the Daily Sun isn't going to report the news in the villages who is?Don't the residents of this community have a right to know :cus:

[chacam]

In the paper this morning, page c-5

[Talk Host]

Not bad, it happened on Saturday or Sunday and it makes the paper on Tuesday. I wonder if prodding from TOTV members may have lit the fuse.

[rshoffer]

If the Daily Sun isn't going to report the news in the villages who is?Don't the residents of this community have a right to know :cus:We are! New forum on TOTV--->"Fresh off the Press". All of us TOTV'ers need to learn how to upload pix's and we can get hot stories that would otherwise be whitewashed and sterilized by The Daily Sun. In today's Sun there IS a tiny notice of the accident. Of course no photo and absolutely no details except "it was a man in a PU truck-minor injuries". Nothing about the suspected cause, any investigation, drugs/alcohol or even the man's age.

[rshoffer]

Not bad, it happened on Saturday or Sunday and it makes the paper on Tuesday. I wonder if prodding from TOTV members may have lit the fuse.Do you think this is a report to the community on this serious accident?

[graciegirl]

Well!!

I think that another paper written by someone else would take hold, even if it started as a weekly, HOWEVER, how would you get the information about something like this? I would think the law enforcement would have been called?

We have a plethora of journalists on this forum. We are doing a pretty good job getting the news out. I can't download pictures either. We need another little instruction, administrators.

I just found this email address for the managing editor for the sun(Couldn't find the title of Editor)...if anyone wants to tell him how they feel about this....

matthew.fry@thevillagesmedia.com

[Bogie Shooter]

OMG. This was not a terrorist attack. Just some dude ran into a building. Its been reported. It sounds from the posts that people want the kind of coveage the TV stations do....over and over rehasing of the details.....which accomplishes nothing.
If you knew the guy was drunk,etc., will you sleep better at night?
Now folks want another paper, wasn't that tried by the Ocala paper? Or a section on TOTV just for news, sounds like a rumor starter.
So much chatter over nothing!

[twynsmom]

OMG. This was not a terrorist attack. Just some dude ran into a building. Its been reported. It sounds from the posts that people want the kind of coveage the TV stations do....over and over rehasing of the details.....which accomplishes nothing.
If you knew the guy was drunk,etc., will you sleep better at night?
Now folks want another paper, wasn't that tried by the Ocala paper? Or a section on TOTV just for news, sounds like a rumor starter.
So much chatter over nothing!

chilout
Inquiring minds want to know.

[LELANDJANE]

Bogie Shooter!
Thank you

[jblum315]

It was in today's (Tues) paper in the Local section police blotter

[Larryandlinda]

Well!!

I think that another paper written by someone else would take hold, even if it started as a weekly, HOWEVER, how would you get the information about something like this? I would think the law enforcement would have been called?

We have a plethora of journalists on this forum. We are doing a pretty good job getting the news out. I can't download pictures either. We need another little instruction, administrators.

I just found this email address for the managing editor for the sun(Couldn't find the title of Editor)...if anyone wants to tell him how they feel about this....

matthew.fry@thevillagesmedia.com
Yes GGG
(go girl go)
an alternative paper maybe with a little spice or hot sauce might take hold.
While TOTV's political and most other forums remain ( for the most part ) uncensored,
the newspaper format remains the most popular format for the residents and "this demographic" in general.

We agree that an independent area print voice might be of interest.

We and most residents like the Sun even itnis a day or two behind in "news"
even though it and WVLG are akin to "GRIT" if anyone was familiar with that publication!

Though we live in a rural Md unincorporated area when not in TV,
we do appreciate the content of alternative print and broadcast media and miss it here.

Let's roll! (the presses)
L&L

[skip0358]

I think the point being is people would like to know what's happening in their community. That's all.I'd like to know why so many gates and fences are coming down all of a sudden. Who took out the fence at the gates in front of Havana, why so many people hit the gate at Odell circle, why we need gate passes when MOST gates go up by themselves. I'd also like to know why we don't have RADAR traps on Morse & Buena Vista when they're on 466A. Come on people there is a speed limit slow down, what's your hurry. If a buisness is closed, are they leaving, did someone die, is there a mechanical problem. That's all. It's a local paper, I for one would like alittle more local news. We had hometown papers up North that did just that. Now don't tell me to move back up North it's not going to happen. This is jmo on the LOCAL paper.

[jblum315]

It was in today's (Tues) paper, Local section, police blotter

[rshoffer]

OMG. This was not a terrorist attack. Just some dude ran into a building. Its been reported. It sounds from the posts that people want the kind of coveage the TV stations do....over and over rehasing of the details.....which accomplishes nothing.
If you knew the guy was drunk,etc., will you sleep better at night?
Now folks want another paper, wasn't that tried by the Ocala paper? Or a section on TOTV just for news, sounds like a rumor starter.
So much chatter over nothing!As someone who commutes on a bicycle on the streets of The Villages I definitely would sleep better (or maybe worse) knowing more details of this accident. I suggest that those who wonder what all the fuss is about go down Buena Vista and look at the extent of the damages. I think the other issue here is what we readers have come to expect from our community newspaper based on our experiences BEFORE moving to The Villages. I am certain that had I taken out a road gate barrier, continued a few hundred feet, taken out a directional sign, large shrubs, and then traveled completely through a concrete block building in Danville, Pa., the Danville News or Bloomsburg Press Enterprise would have had a a photo of the damages as well as info about the driver and suspect cause of the accident. Thus, when something like this happens here in The Villages, I understand why people ask... "why wasn't it in the paper".

[Bosoxfan]

I think the point being is people would like to know what's happening in their community. That's all.I'd like to know why so many gates and fences are coming down all of a sudden. Who took out the fence at the gates in front of Havana, why so many people hit the gate at Odell circle, why we need gate passes when MOST gates go up by themselves. I'd also like to know why we don't have RADAR traps on Morse & Buena Vista when they're on 466A. Come on people there is a speed limit slow down, what's your hurry. If a buisness is closed, are they leaving, did someone die, is there a mechanical problem. That's all. It's a local paper, I for one would like alittle more local news. We had hometown papers up North that did just that. Now don't tell me to move back up North it's not going to happen. This is jmo on the LOCAL paper.

:agree::agree::agree:

[graciegirl]

OMG. This was not a terrorist attack. Just some dude ran into a building. Its been reported. It sounds from the posts that people want the kind of coveage the TV stations do....over and over rehasing of the details.....which accomplishes nothing.
If you knew the guy was drunk,etc., will you sleep better at night?
Now folks want another paper, wasn't that tried by the Ocala paper? Or a section on TOTV just for news, sounds like a rumor starter.
So much chatter over nothing!

Bogie.

I don't get the paper up here and I don't think of it akin to a terrorist attack. However, since it took more than two days to report it, I wonder why.

If Muncle were here, he would probably point out that The Daily Sun is a paper with the purpose to sell houses. I have no problem with that.

When I see damage to a building, I wonder what happened to it, and mostly hope no one was hurt. I like to read what happened in the community where I live. I have no problem with the political editorials being Republican slanted. I have no problems with it being a "Good News" paper. I love to read the Sun.

I would like a little more information a little faster sometimes. That is all.

[Bogie Shooter]

I think the point being is people would like to know what's happening in their community. That's all.I'd like to know why so many gates and fences are coming down all of a sudden. Who took out the fence at the gates in front of Havana, why so many people hit the gate at Odell circle, why we need gate passes when MOST gates go up by themselves. I'd also like to know why we don't have RADAR traps on Morse & Buena Vista when they're on 466A. Come on people there is a speed limit slow down, what's your hurry. If a buisness is closed, are they leaving, did someone die, is there a mechanical problem. That's all. It's a local paper, I for one would like alittle more local news. We had hometown papers up North that did just that. Now don't tell me to move back up North it's not going to happen. This is jmo on the LOCAL paper.

Sumter county sheriff has conducted radar on Buena Vista just south of Palmer country club and probably will again.
The last time it was done there was an uproar right here on TOTV about speed traps in TV. What ever happens the minority will yap the loudest.

[Bogie Shooter]

As someone who commutes on a bicycle on the streets of The Villages I definitely would sleep better (or maybe worse) knowing more details of this accident. ".
Why??

[Larryandlinda]

As someone who commutes on a bicycle on the streets of The Villages I definitely would sleep better (or maybe worse) knowing more details of this accident. I suggest that those who wonder what all the fuss is about go down Buena Vista and look at the extent of the damages. I think the other issue here is what we readers have come to expect from our community newspaper based on our experiences BEFORE moving to The Villages. I am certain that had I taken out a road gate barrier, continued a few hundred feet, taken out a directional sign, large shrubs, and then traveled completely through a concrete block building in Danville, Pa., the Danville News or Bloomsburg Press Enterprise would have had a a photo of the damages as well as info about the driver and suspect cause of the accident. Thus, when something like this happens here in The Villages, I understand why people ask... "why wasn't it in the paper".

We are bike commuters in TV too and use major roads, cart lanes, and rec paths.
This is a cyclist's heaven and THE major reason we and many others moved
here.
To have the freedom to go anywhere a motor vehicle or car can go

While we are not golfers nor carters wenare grateful for the
lower impact to the roadspace and the environment carters enable.

And though we know that golf courses are one of the least sustainable uses for
the land, we appreciate
the views while awheel.

Like motoring, carting, biking.....even golfing or strolling.....
There is inherent danger and risk

We realize this every pedal stroke and we ride with certain cautions
and always stay clear of gates and away from the middle of the roundabout

We cyclists are more aware that most of discourteous, aggressive, and distracted motorists

we feel that instead of being scorned we should be appreciated
because of how little space we occupy and our low impact on the roads, yet we pay the same taxes

And while we do appreciate real
news, we agree with bogie shooter and wonder "WHY" a cyclist would sleep any better knowing the wwwww of the 'event'

and it was a mishap not a wild trend

we actually feel safer knowing there will be a bit more attention to the traffic

and we agree that we don't need the repetitive coverage

There are plenty of papers and on line sources full of any kind of news to feed the hunger

thanks to totv and the contributors

L&L

[Pturner]

I think I've lost my marbles. Just looked at the online version of the Daily Sun and did not see the article. Would someone kindly check to see if it's still there and send me the link to it. :Screen_of_Death:

[Talk Host]

Reading some of the posts in this thread, it appears that , with the exception of a "terrorist attack" in the Villages, some people don't want to know what's going on around them. Sad!

[Whatever]

Why were there no names, ages or company of the driver. I'm sure the police accident report has all of that info. Nobody knows anything other than it was a white p/u. Many questions, like who will pay for the rebuilding of the pump station. Will it come from the drivers insurance or will we the residents have to pay?

[Bogie Shooter]

Reading some of the posts in this thread, it appears that , with the exception of a "terrorist attack" in the Villages, some people don't want to know what's going on around them. Sad!
Isn't it more the depth of the knowledge that is in question?

[rshoffer]

I'm used to more "depth" in my community newspaper. Nuf said.

[Talk Host]

I'm used to more "depth" in my community newspaper. Nuf said.

:agree:

[paulandjean]

who cares? sun will come up again wed. morning.. maybe the C. C. should stop selling booze.

[Talk Host]

who cares? sun will come up again wed. morning.. maybe the C. C. should stop selling booze.


I'm really curious. How could you not care?

[tpop1]

IMHO....Let’s face it…Our generation are dinosaurs when it comes to news:icon_wink:….Newspapers as you and I remember them are dead. As the younger generation turns more and more to the internet for it’s news, newspapers and television news outlets cannot compete with the online time cycle.

Let’s face it.....The Daily Sun for the most part a good newspaper; covers national news well off of the wire services, & covers T.V. sports and activities very well. It gives the majority of people what they want and that’s why it sells so well and is such a viable newspaper is this internet day and age. It is, however, a “house organ” and the ownership takes pains to foster an atmosphere of no bad news here in T.V. You have to understand that and take it for what it’s worth.

Let’s face it..... we find out more about what’s happening here in T.V. here on T.O.T.V. than anywhere else. Unfortunately we have to work through the sometime biases and lack of journalistic rules followed by the writers here just like on most all Web Sites!!

As long as one understands these facts, one can sift thru the chafe and munch on the wheat.:a040:

[graciegirl]

IMHO....Let’s face it…Our generation are dinosaurs when it comes to news:icon_wink:….Newspapers as you and I remember them are dead. As the younger generation turns more and more to the internet for it’s news, newspapers and television news outlets cannot compete with the online time cycle.

Let’s face it.....The Daily Sun for the most part a good newspaper; covers national news well off of the wire services, & covers T.V. sports and activities very well. It gives the majority of people what they want and that’s why it sells so well and is such a viable newspaper is this internet day and age. It is, however, a “house organ” and the ownership takes pains to foster an atmosphere of no bad news here in T.V. You have to understand that and take it for what it’s worth.

Let’s face it..... we find out more about what’s happening here in T.V. here on T.O.T.V. than anywhere else. Unfortunately we have to work through the sometime biases and lack of journalistic rules followed by the writers here just like on most all Web Sites!!

As long as one understands these facts, one can sift thru the chafe and munch on the wheat.:a040:

Veddy good. Munching.:icon_hungry:

[Pturner]

OMG. This was not a terrorist attack. Just some dude ran into a building. Its been reported. It sounds from the posts that people want the kind of coveage the TV stations do....over and over rehasing of the details.....which accomplishes nothing.
If you knew the guy was drunk,etc., will you sleep better at night?
Now folks want another paper, wasn't that tried by the Ocala paper? Or a section on TOTV just for news, sounds like a rumor starter.
So much chatter over nothing!

who cares? sun will come up again wed. morning.. maybe the C. C. should stop selling booze.

Gosh, there's a big difference between wanting an article in your community's newspaper to explain an event and wanting "the kind of coverage that the TV stations do...over and over, rehashing the details".

If the details weren't hashed the first time, how can they be "rehashed". :laugh:


Among other information, I care:

Whether anyone was hurt
What caused the accident
Whether any factor(s) may have contributed to the accident that might contribute to further accidents, and if so, whether anything is being done at that location (or others with similar issues) to reduce the risks
How/whether sewer service operations were affected
The extent of the property damage, who will pay for it and when to expect repairs
How or whether traffic might be affected during repairs
Also of interest, when did the accident happen? Who reported it? Who was involved? Was anyone charged? How is the driver now? Any passengers? (I expect at least this much was reported in the newspaper article, although I didn't see it. It wasn't included in the online version.)

Maybe C. C. should stop selling booze? Maybe booze had nothing to do with it. Hard to make any informed opinions about whether anything could be done to improve public safety, or any "lessons learned" could be had, without knowing any facts.

Yes, the sun will come up in the morning, but why is that relevant? It would come up in the morning even if none of us ever posted comments on any TOTV thread. It even came up the morning of 9-12-01.

[downeaster]

IMHO....Let’s face it…Our generation are dinosaurs when it comes to news:icon_wink:….Newspapers as you and I remember them are dead. As the younger generation turns more and more to the internet for it’s news, newspapers and television news outlets cannot compete with the online time cycle.

Let’s face it.....The Daily Sun for the most part a good newspaper; covers national news well off of the wire services, & covers T.V. sports and activities very well. It gives the majority of people what they want and that’s why it sells so well and is such a viable newspaper is this internet day and age. It is, however, a “house organ” and the ownership takes pains to foster an atmosphere of no bad news here in T.V. You have to understand that and take it for what it’s worth.

Let’s face it..... we find out more about what’s happening here in T.V. here on T.O.T.V. than anywhere else. Unfortunately we have to work through the sometime biases and lack of journalistic rules followed by the writers here just like on most all Web Sites!!

As long as one understands these facts, one can sift thru the chafe and munch on the wheat.:a040:

I have been trying to come up with a thoughtful response on this thread but tpop1 has said exactly what I would have said only better.

Thanks, tpop1.

[Bogie Shooter]

Gosh, there's a big difference between wanting an article in your community's newspaper to explain an event and wanting "the kind of coverage that the TV stations do...over and over, rehashing the details".

If the details weren't hashed the first time, how can they be "rehashed". :laugh:



Among other information, I care:

Whether anyone was hurt
What caused the accident
Whether any factor(s) may have contributed to the accident that might contribute to further accidents, and if so, whether anything is being done at that location (or others with similar issues) to reduce the risks
How/whether sewer service operations were affected
The extent of the property damage, who will pay for it and when to expect repairs
How or whether traffic might be affected during repairs
Also of interest, when did the accident happen? Who reported it? Who was involved? Was anyone changed? How is the driver now? Any passengers? (I expect at least this much was reported in the newspaper article, although I didn't see it. It wasn't included in the online version.)

Maybe C. C. should stop selling booze? Maybe booze had nothing to do with it. Hard to make any informed opinions about whether anything could be done to improve public safety, or any "lessons learned" could be had, without knowing any facts.

Yes, the sun will come up in the morning, but why is that relative? It would come up in the morning even if none of us ever posted comments on any TOTV thread. It even came up the morning of 9-12-01.

Wow!

[Talk Host]

Wow!

I agree Bogie, that was a very powerful and meaningful post.

[skip0358]

They said it was a white pick up and the gate attendant knew nothing about it. What color are the COMMUNITY WATCH TRUCKS??? WHO WOULD RAT ON THEIR OWN??? :crap2: WOW what a rumor:crap2:.

[graciegirl]

Gosh, there's a big difference between wanting an article in your community's newspaper to explain an event and wanting "the kind of coverage that the TV stations do...over and over, rehashing the details".

If the details weren't hashed the first time, how can they be "rehashed". :laugh:



Among other information, I care:

Whether anyone was hurt
What caused the accident
Whether any factor(s) may have contributed to the accident that might contribute to further accidents, and if so, whether anything is being done at that location (or others with similar issues) to reduce the risks
How/whether sewer service operations were affected
The extent of the property damage, who will pay for it and when to expect repairs
How or whether traffic might be affected during repairs
Also of interest, when did the accident happen? Who reported it? Who was involved? Was anyone changed? How is the driver now? Any passengers? (I expect at least this much was reported in the newspaper article, although I didn't see it. It wasn't included in the online version.)

Maybe C. C. should stop selling booze? Maybe booze had nothing to do with it. Hard to make any informed opinions about whether anything could be done to improve public safety, or any "lessons learned" could be had, without knowing any facts.

Yes, the sun will come up in the morning, but why is that relative? It would come up in the morning even if none of us ever posted comments on any TOTV thread. It even came up the morning of 9-12-01.

You go girl. What a post! Good evaluation and great format. What a journalist you are!

[golfnut]

double wow...gn

[Bosoxfan]

Reading some of the posts in this thread, it appears that , with the exception of a "terrorist attack" in the Villages, some people don't want to know what's going on around them. Sad!

You hit the nail in the head TH..Why is it some villagers don't want to know!!
I'm so confused:confused:News is news be it good ,bad,joyful,or sad and isn't the Sun a "news paper" for the villagers.

[golfnut]

the daily sun is what it is, you're not going to change it, if you don't like it don't buy it, not sure why they are taking the brunt of some dimwit that plowed through a pump house....gn

[saratogaman]

It is not a newspaper...it is a house organ for you know who.
If you really want a real newspaper...for news outside of our cocoon...you can get home delivery (before sunrise!) of the Orlando Sentinel -- one of the highly regarded Tribune newspaper chain. Go to this website: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

[Bosoxfan]

the daily sun is what it is, you're not going to change it, if you don't like it don't buy it, not sure why they are taking the brunt of some dimwit that plowed through a pump house....gn
OK gn if not the Sun than where does someone living in the villages get the stories about things like that "dimwit"? Your word not mine

[golfnut]

saratoga, highly regarded by whom???

[golfnut]

bosox, i'm guessing the highly regarded orlando sentinal, what page did they run it on??...gn

[Bosoxfan]

i guess the orlando sentinal, what page did they run it on??...gn
The Orlando Sentinel..Why would they have info on a traffic incident in the villages? Forget it ..I'm done...:sad:

[zcaveman]

The Daily Sun is a lot like my local paper up north. If you were to get in trouble, the best time to do it was in Friday or Saturday night. No reporters worked those days so you would not make the paper.

Seems the same way down here.

I do not think it is a conspiracy or a leaving out the news. It is the timing.

I am not sure why so many of you are against the Daily Sun. They are doing a much better job or reporting local news that a few years ago.

Give them a break!!!

Z

[golfnut]

bsox, you were the one that asked where else someone could get information, sorry i was just trying to help, i'm done.....gn

[paulandjean]

I'm really curious. How could you not care?

tell me "why should I care" I do not know who the people are, what is the cause,drinking or texting invovled. again why should I care. it is a car accident.thats all

[Talk Host]

tell me "why should I care" I do not know who the people are, what is the cause,drinking or texting invovled. again why should I care. it is a car accident.thats all

As citizens of any community, we have a social responsibility to care about what goes on around us.

Would you care if it was in your front yard? Would you care if you knew the people? Would you care if there was a crime on your street? Would you care if a sexual predator moved in across the street from you? Would you care if the accident resulted in damage that would increase your taxes?

If not you (us) who's responsibility is it to care what goes on in our community? I think one of the problems we face as a nation is that many or our citizens "don't care." It's your right to care. IF you give up that right, you don't deserve any of your rights.

I'm sorry, your lack of caring about your fellow citizens defies my comprehension.

[skip0358]

I agree 100%. I for one want to know, and agree we all need to know.

[paulandjean]

correct yes I would only care if it affected me,or my family, or my home,or my street.

[chuckinca]

If you don't know what happened how do you know it doesn't affect you?


.

[golfnut]

i think somehow we will all know when it affects us, other than that it's just another statistic....gn

[Talk Host]

i think somehow we will all know when it affects us, other than that it's just another statistic....gn


Everything that goes on in our community, our state and our country affects us one way or another. Good stuff and bad.

I can't for one second imagine a person who doesn't care what goes on out side of their personal circle. I'm afraid there are lots of people like that. That's why there are so few people who vote, even when it affects the future of our country and the lives of our military. These are the individuals who walk past people dying on the sidewalk without offering help. "Ain't none of my business."

If this specific individual didn't know anybody who was killed in the 9/11 attacks and none of the planes hit her/his neighborhood, then, they don't care about it, according to them. Or am I wrong, maybe, there are just "some" things they care about?

I have zero respect for a person who claims to not care what happens to others. I'll bet they occupy a pew in church on Sunday praying that good things rain down on them only and to hell with everybody else. I sure hope their children and grandchildren didn't inherit this unspeakable behavior from them.

[paulandjean]

its pretty simple. its none of my business.9/11 come on.praying in church, grandchildren. come on, someone has to much time on their hands. Father.why is it that we must know every fact about something that happens. remind me of someone who rubbernecks at a car wreck.I know its the morse family thing. good luck father

[golfnut]

i am probably missing something here so let's start by keeping it simple, TH, how does someone (not known to me or anyone i know) plowing through a pump house in the middle of a roundabout affect me....gn

[Talk Host]

its pretty simple. its none of my business.9/11 come on.praying in church, grandchildren. come on, someone has to much time on their hands. Father.why is it that we must know every fact about something that happens. remind me of someone who rubbernecks at a car wreck.I know its the morse family thing. good luck father


See what I mean ?

[golfnut]

actually i don't see what you mean but i am waiting for an answer to my question, thanks....gn

[Talk Host]

i am probably missing something here so let's start by keeping it simple, TH, how does someone (not known to me or anyone i know) plowing through a pump house in the middle of a roundabout affect me....gn

It affects you because it is your community, your pump house, built with your tax dollars that pumps your sewage. It's your police department paid for by your tax dollars that investigates the accident. It's your fire department and ambulance squad that responds to the event. It's your tax dollars that makes the repairs. Accidents like this are troubling trends. If you don't want to be informed about this and other similar trends, then you have no right to complain when it ultimately affects you.

If we, as citizens, don't keep track and care about what is going on around us, all the time, every time, every day, then we are are signaling that we are willing to accept anything that is handed to us. Apathy amounts to greed. "I want to enjoy my little piece of the world, but I refuse to be bothered with anything outside of my personal sphere."

I don't know one person in Haiti, but I am affected deeply by the events there. My Marines, my President, my tax dollars and my emotions are all intimately connected to this event.

When one of my community neighbors smashes through a pump house, I care about it.

I always have and will continue to care about what goes on in my community, you may do as you please.


BTW I didn't answer your question because you demanded it, I answered it because I wanted to. This is my last post in this thread.

[golfnut]

i understand the concept of municipal services, as far as fixing the damage there is a whole industry out there it's called insurance whether it's municipal or private that cleans up afterwards, but thank you for pointing it out for those who may not, i'm still not sure how understanding this incident to the nth detail will keep it from affecting me in the future, i could know everything that happened and attend town meetings to express my outrage (and believe me i am not happy about this type of event and do have feelings for those involved) and offer solutions to mitigate an instance like this happening again, but you know what, it will happen again, if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time....well, you know what happens or maybe you don't, btw i said i was waiting for an answer, not sure where you interpreted this to be a demand...gn

[Bosoxfan]

It affects you because it is your community, your pump house, built with your tax dollars that pumps your sewage. It's your police department paid for by your tax dollars that investigates the accident. It's your fire department and ambulance squad that responds to the event. It's your tax dollars that makes the repairs. Accidents like this are troubling trends. If you don't want to be informed about this and other similar trends, then you have no right to complain when it ultimately affects you.

If we, as citizens, don't keep track and care about what is going on around us, all the time, every time, every day, then we are are signaling that we are willing to accept anything that is handed to us. Apathy amounts to greed. "I want to enjoy my little piece of the world, but I refuse to be bothered with anything outside of my personal sphere."

I don't know one person in Haiti, but I am affected deeply by the events there. My Marines, my President, my tax dollars and my emotions are all intimately connected to this event.

When one of my community neighbors smashes through a pump house, I care about it.

I always have and will continue to care about what goes on in my community, you may do as you please.


BTW I didn't answer your question because you demanded it, I answered it because I wanted to. This is my last post in this thread.

:clap2::clap2::clap2: TH ..There are just some people that figure if they don't know then it won't affect them.Sad!!

[tpop1]

tell me "why should I care" I do not know who the people are, what is the cause,drinking or texting invovled. again why should I care. it is a car accident.thats all

I'll tell you why I care about this particular story and why I am glad I heard about it, on T.O.T.V and the Daily Sun....

I often find myself getting complacent while tooling about T.V. in my car, in my cart, on my bike and walking. At least for a short time this story has cured me of the idea that when I am "in the circle", I have the right of way. It was a wake up.

I like to think I learn from all inputs I receive.


Due to stories on the cold, that essentially did not impact me, I now know what landscaping I want to install.
Due to stories on the fires, that essentially did not impact me, I have made some changes around the house. (Use the correct plug for my golf cart)!
Due to the stories on the tornado, that essentially did not impact, I bought a weather radio.

I'd like to think that I am smart enough to determine what news is important to me.

Anything else is a form of censorship.

[golfnut]

tpop, what does "the correct plug" for your golf cart mean....gn

[Golf-Tinker]

Unless your respond was TIC, I believe TPOP meant the dedicated charging outlet in the garage.

[golfnut]

no it was not tic, i am trying to find out what this special outlet does different from other outlets...gn

[TomW]

Come on people!! This event took place within a pitching wedge shot of my house and I can't be there right now. Please post all details, who did what, and a complete analysis by Villages07 !!! If you live a few blocks away and don't care, I'll see you on the landscape forum later.

[golfnut]

you're kidding right?....gn

[TomW]

Well I was overstating for dramatic effect but would still appreciate knowing if this is some isolated event, unlikely to happen again, or if I purchased a home on a high speed approach to some destination for drunks or nut jobs.

[golfnut]

to answer your questions, yes, no, maybe, but unless you live in the other building in the middle of that particular roundabout and as long as you pay attention and are aware of your surroundings whenever you venture out you should be OK....gn

[saratogaman]

bosox, i'm guessing the highly regarded orlando sentinal, what page did they run it on??...gn
The Sentinel did not cover it...they do cover Lake County, but not Sumter or Marion. Subscribe, encourage them to broaden coverage. For news outside The Villages -- like the rest of Florida, plus the nation and the world -- it far exceeds the local "Happy News" house organ.
As for the person who said "recognized by whom," If you don't know about the Tribune newspaper group, there is no point in engaging with you.

[tony]

I have no idea what TIC means.

Please do not use acronyms that are complete nonsense to many people who read these forums.

Now if somebody will tell then we will all know. If not, then the posts with TIC will be removed.

[villages07]

Tony, Tony.... you must never have worked for the government or the military. We know our acronyms or can certainly figure them out in 10 seconds or less.

TIC - tongue in cheek.

BTW (by the way), I drove past the roundabout in question.... yikes, that's some major damage.

[TomW]

GN: Perhaps I misread your post, If you are calling me out on my abilty to hit a PW from by back yard to the accident site, I will try to demonstrate but I'm getting along in years and my distance is diminishing so maybe I should have said I could reach the accident site with a 9 iron.

[KathieI]

Tongue in cheek????
Your right, Tony, I had to look it up
and am not sure I'm correct.

BTW, Kathie Hates Acronyms!!!!! :laugh:

[KathieI]

Tony, Tony.... you must never have worked for the government or the military. We know our acronyms or can certainly figure them out in 10 seconds or less.

TIC - tongue in cheek.

BTW (by the way), I drove past the roundabout in question.... yikes, that's some major damage.

Right on, 07. Big Business and the gov. have been using these dumb acronyms for years, and I hate them. I had to look it up. I once wanted to make a dictionary because I'd miss 1/2 a meeting trying to figure what people were talking about...

I, too, drove by today, it is a disasta!!!! What a mess. Must've been a MAC Truck!! Should we post some pictures for all to see??

[tony]

You know what happens when we assume?

And who would have ever guessed "tongue in cheek?"

Or TIC could be "Tony is ??????"

And now we have PW. I know what that means in some quarters, and it better not mean that here.

What is PW?

[tony]

Pictures would be good.

[graciegirl]

Well Tony the Tiger. I believe it is a Pitching Wedge. Since that is a shorter iron than a nine iron.

[tony]

Ahh. Gracie, thank you. Who would have ever thought pitching wedge in that context of a traffic accident?

Is that a Cincinnati thing?

[tpop1]

tpop, what does "the correct plug" for your golf cart mean....gn

At walkthru..... we were shown a outlet which we were told was for an electric golf cart charger.

It is a single dedicated outlet with what I was told is a stronger fuse??

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae163/tpop1nunu/Plug2.jpg

[OpusX1]

This accident was reported in the Sun. There was property damage and minor injury. The exterior of the building is almost repaired. If there would have been serious injury we would know more.
I think police reports are public so if it' s really bothering you take a trip to the sheriffs office and demand to see the police report.

[graciegirl]

Ahh. Gracie, thank you. Who would have ever thought pitching wedge in that context of a traffic accident?

Is that a Cincinnati thing?

Danged if I know. I think that someone was pointing out that they lived REALLY close to the accident.(A chip shot) I am not there but I am really interested in what is going on and The Daily Fun didn't give us much info.

In this thread we have talked about who knows, who cares, who is driving right, who is plugging in correctly and who wants to go to the sheriff for info.

I am so confused.:confused:

[Larryandlinda]

Ahh. Gracie, thank you. Who would have ever thought pitching wedge in that context of a traffic accident?

Is that a Cincinnati thing?

Wasn't there some kind of golfing implement involved in a traffic incident in Florida last month?:)

Whew!Thanks! We're grateful we learned what a PW was while the original posting was still up.
We were guessing poor woman.....

L&L

[graciegirl]

Wasn't there some kind of golfing implement involved in a traffic incident in Florida last month?:)

Whew!Thanks! We're grateful we learned what a PW was while the original posting was still up.
We were guessing poor woman.....

L&L

I don't think Elin Woods used a Pitching Wedge. I think she used a one iron. No. Not even God can hit a one iron.

Like Jesper Parvinek said, " She shoulda used a driver".

[uujudy]

You know what happens when we assume?

And who would have ever guessed "tongue in cheek?"

Or TIC could be "Tony is ??????"

. . .

Clueless? :smiley: (TIC)

[tony]

I should have known uujudy would complete that phrase.

[Golf-Tinker]

I have not been back to this thread for several days so did not know about the fuss that TIC licked up. Of course, it was nothing compared to what happened because of PW.

Just illustrates what may happen when we hijack a thread.

[Pturner]

R.O. thought PW stood for Pretty Women.
In addition to "a lot" of accidents, we seem to have a high rate of hijackings. Ooops. :024:

[elevatorman]

This accident was reported in the Sun. There was property damage and minor injury. The exterior of the building is almost repaired. If there would have been serious injury we would know more.
I think police reports are public so if it' s really bothering you take a trip to the sheriffs office and demand to see the police report.

I went by there yesterday afternoon and the damage had not been repaired and no work was being done.

[chuckinca]

i should have known uujudy would complete that phrase.


best laugh this week!!!

[chuckinca]

Danged if I know. I think that someone was pointing out that they lived REALLY close to the accident.(A chip shot) I am not there but I am really interested in what is going on and The Daily Fun didn't give us much info.

In this thread we have talked about who knows, who cares, who is driving right, who is plugging in correctly and who wants to go to the sheriff for info.

I am so confused.:confused:


Blonds are excused.


.

[Dougout]

Having spent 27 years in law enforcement I think that I can shed some light on all of this. The most probable reason for the number of accidents in the area is that the average driver here is old. I have investigated countless accidents where seniors drive into the side of malls, buildings and into parked cars. I have also observed some contractors here operating in a fashion less than reasonable or prudent.

From the law enforcement viewpoint this was a rather minor accident which did not involve serious injury or death. The insurance company of the white pickup truck will be responsible to pay out the damage. In the department where I worked the investigating officer of the accident was required to fill out a news release which included all operators info, circumstances of the accident etc.

All media by law had the right to the information and could do what they desired with it. All news media has bias in what and how news is reported. Some local newspapers wanted all the information on local people and others were only interested in fatalities

Regarding the working of radar on Morse and Buena Vista...be careful what you wish for. Very often those who had made the complaint are the first to be caught in the resulting crackdown.

[tpop1]

Just drove thru circle at Buena Vista and Tall Trees La.

I was struck by the thought that the driver who went thru the pump house earlier this week was lucky he/she did not try going thru the brick pump house in that circle.

Repair would have consisted of a power washing!!

[elevatorman]

The pump house that is damaged was block construction With siding on the outside.

[tpop1]

Faked out again.:shocked:......Never mind.....:D

[memason]

I found this "never before seen footage" of the accident in the roundabout...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj_1KcGLwFQ

YIKES!

[faithfulfrank]

I assume that video was not the same accident that everyone is speaking about. As Tony said, well over 100 posts on this incident, and not one picture?

There are some folks who are not currently down there that might like to see what all of the fuss is about. I'm not really in that group since my home is not right there, but I guess I would have thought that someone would have posted a picture...it is not that difficult........

Frank

[memason]

No, the video is NOT the same roundabout accident, as everyone is discussing. I thought it was funny and it seemed to be appropriate for this thread....

But, I agree, you would think a couple photos would have been forthcoming....

[Bogie Shooter]

Not really that much to see....just a building with a big hole. No big deal at all.

[zcaveman]

How many traffic circles in TV are that big?

That is the real problem here. The traffic circles are not designed for two lane / three quarter turn left lane exits.

When I moved here in 2001 we only had the circles at Springdale, El Camino Real/Buena Vista and El Camino Real/Morse Blvd. We never had a problem. Evey one stayed in the right lane and got off at their exit. They are all small circles and do not really rate the left lane / right lane scenario.

In 2005 or thereabouts, the newbies had a different idea and everything got screwed up. Everyone thought they were more experienced in round abouts and we had to change the rules.

But I do not think that the new rules are not right for our community.

I Will never make a right turn from a left lane and FEEL SAFE. It is against all of the rules of traffic that I was taught. Therefore, I will stay in the right hand lane and go through three exits to get out of the exit. I will either keep my eye on the people in the left hand lane or straddle the line so I am not cut off.

I am easy to recognize. I am the motorized cart with the yellow flag. Just kidding.

Z

[rockaway]

How many traffic circles in TV are that big?

That is the real problem here. The traffic circles are not designed for two lane / three quarter turn left lane exits.

When I moved here in 2001 we only had the circles at Springdale, El Camino Real/Buena Vista and El Camino Real/Morse Blvd. We never had a problem. Evey one stayed in the right lane and got off at their exit. They are all small circles and do not really rate the left lane / right lane scenario.

In 2005 or thereabouts, the newbies had a different idea and everything got screwed up. Everyone thought they were more experienced in round abouts and we had to change the rules.

But I do not think that the new rules are not right for our community.

I Will never make a right turn from a left lane and FEEL SAFE. It is against all of the rules of traffic that I was taught. Therefore, I will stay in the right hand lane and go through three exits to get out of the exit. I will either keep my eye on the people in the left hand lane or straddle the line so I am not cut off.

I am easy to recognize. I am the motorized cart with the yellow flag. Just kidding.

Z

So let me get this straight. You admit to breaking driving laws since 2001.
You won't make a right turn from the left lane which is correct if you go
3/4 around but you will make a left turn from the right lane which is
illegal on any type of road, roundabout or straight.

By the way the "Newbies" did not change anything. Just pick up the
pamphlet at TV office that the police have put out you may learn something.

You say you stay in the right lane and keep an eye on the left lane so
you will not be cut off. So I guess in your mind it's ok for you to cut
everyone else off.

[coffeebean]

How many traffic circles in TV are that big?

That is the real problem here. The traffic circles are not designed for two lane / three quarter turn left lane exits.

When I moved here in 2001 we only had the circles at Springdale, El Camino Real/Buena Vista and El Camino Real/Morse Blvd. We never had a problem. Evey one stayed in the right lane and got off at their exit. They are all small circles and do not really rate the left lane / right lane scenario.

In 2005 or thereabouts, the newbies had a different idea and everything got screwed up. Everyone thought they were more experienced in round abouts and we had to change the rules.

But I do not think that the new rules are not right for our community.

I Will never make a right turn from a left lane and FEEL SAFE. It is against all of the rules of traffic that I was taught. Therefore, I will stay in the right hand lane and go through three exits to get out of the exit. I will either keep my eye on the people in the left hand lane or straddle the line so I am not cut off.

I am easy to recognize. I am the motorized cart with the yellow flag. Just kidding.

Z

That is exactly what I've been saying and exactly how I feel about these roundabouts.

[zcaveman]

So let me get this straight. You admit to breaking driving laws since 2001.
You won't make a right turn from the left lane which is correct if you go
3/4 around but you will make a left turn from the right lane which is
illegal on any type of road, roundabout or straight.



First of all there where no "rules" in 2001. Everyone stayed in the right lane and exited from the right lane.

At what point did I say I would make a left turn from the right lane? That would be insane.

[herbaru]

So who yields to who when the right lane is continuing on to go straight through and the left lane makes a right turn?

[coffeebean]

So let me get this straight. You admit to breaking driving laws since 2001.
You won't make a right turn from the left lane which is correct if you go
3/4 around but you will make a left turn from the right lane which is
illegal on any type of road, roundabout or straight.

By the way the "Newbies" did not change anything. Just pick up the
pamphlet at TV office that the police have put out you may learn something.

You say you stay in the right lane and keep an eye on the left lane so
you will not be cut off. So I guess in your mind it's ok for you to cut
everyone else off.

Hi rockaway...

This is how I see it... When a driver enters a roundabout, why should it matter how far the driver travels in that right lane to make an exit? Is it any less safe to remain in the right lane and leave the roundabout at the third exit? How about leaving the roundabout at the 2nd exit or the 1st exit and all from the right lane.What does it matter where the driver entered???

Basically, this way to navigate the roundabouts is like having a single lane roundabout. The inside lane is what makes these roundabouts dangerous and unsafe. As a driver is exiting the roundabout from the inside lane, a driver proceeding around the roundabout in the right lane could easily be hit by the driver exiting from the inside lane. Rules of the road state that the driver on the right has the right of way. That would make the driver exiting from the inside lane guilty of causing an accident.

[rockaway]

First of all there where no "rules" in 2001. Everyone stayed in the right lane and exited from the right lane.

At what point did I say I would make a left turn from the right lane? That would be insane.

You said "Therefore, I will stay in the right lane and go through 3
exits to get out of the exit.

When you go to the third exit in a roundabout in the right lane you have
made a left turn from the right lane.

You are lucky you have gotten away with that all this time without
being T boned by someone in the left lane legally trying to continue
straight.

The rules are really simple it amazes me that so many people have
trouble grasping the concept.

1) When entering the roundabout in the right lane you can do 2 things
A) Exit a the first right exit
B Continue straight

2) When entering the roundabout in the left lane you can do 3 things
A) Continue straight
B) Exit at the third exit point
C) Continue around completly

[downeaster]

There are rules of the road. Included in those rules are rules for negotiating roundabouts. Those rules are available in the form of a brochure and are clearly explained. It is up to us to know these rules.

It makes no difference what we feel the rules should be. It is what the rules are that count. By applying our own rules we endanger the lives of our fellow drivers and passengers. We also run the risk of being cited for a moving violation, points, and an unpleasant increase in our insurance premium.

There is one unwritten rule that has no adverse effect on others and that is to "stagger". If I am in the inside lane with the intent of exiting in that lane, and there is a vehicle on my immediate right, I slow enough so if he intends to improperly proceed around to the next exit, I can let him safely pass in front of me.

BTW, there was a deputy parked inside a roundabout today. They may be paying more attention to the potential problems in roundabouts.

[coffeebean]

So who yields to who when the right lane is continuing on to go straight through and the left lane makes a right turn?

The driver on the right has the right of way on all roadways. That's easy then...the driver in the right lane has the right of way and the driver in the inside (left) lane has to yield. BTW, I was taught never to make a right turn from the left lane. That is dangerous.

[rockaway]

There are rules of the road. Included in those rules are rules for negotiating roundabouts. Those rules are available in the form of a brochure and are clearly explained. It is up to us to know these rules.

It makes no difference what we feel the rules should be. It is what the rules are that count. By applying our own rules we endanger the lives of our fellow drivers and passengers. We also run the risk of being cited for a moving violation, points, and an unpleasant increase in our insurance premium.

There is one unwritten rule that has no adverse effect on others and that is to "stagger". If I am in the inside lane with the intent of exiting in that lane, and there is a vehicle on my immediate right, I slow enough so if he intends to improperly proceed around to the next exit, I can let him safely pass in front of me.

BTW, there was a deputy parked inside a roundabout today. They may be paying more attention to the potential problems in roundabouts.


Downeaster
You are a breath of fresh air in this maddening thread.
At least some of us get it.

I'm am sorry to say that I don't think that Coffeebean will ever
get it. I really hope that she does not get injured or injure
someone else in her travels in TV.

[coffeebean]

You said "Therefore, I will stay in the right lane and go through 3
exits to get out of the exit.

When you go to the third exit in a roundabout in the right lane you have
made a left turn from the right lane.

You are lucky you have gotten away with that all this time without
being T boned by someone in the left lane legally trying to continue
straight.

The rules are really simple it amazes me that so many people have
trouble grasping the concept.

1) When entering the roundabout in the right lane you can do 2 things
A) Exit a the first right exit
B Continue straight

2) When entering the roundabout in the left lane you can do 3 things
A) Continue straight
B) Exit at the third exit point
C) Continue around completly

I grasp the concept very well and understand EXACTLY what is expected of a driver in a roundabout. I DO NOT AGREE with the legal way to navigate these roundabouts. It is asking for trouble to be in the left (inside) lane and exiting any where in that roundabout. Doesn't matter if it's the 1st, 2nd or 3rd exit...it is still extremely dangerous to exit from the left lane, even when remaining in the left lane to exit. There are drivers in the right lane continuing along the roundabout and the driver in the left lane will cause a collision when they wind up driving right in front of a car in the right lane. That is why I drive strictly in the right lane. I can easily see a car in the left lane making an exit, therefore, I can slow down and allow that driver to exit the roundabout. I always yield to drivers in the left lane as they exit the roundabout. At least, I can see them and not be hindered by a driver's blind spot.

[Bogie Shooter]

Downeaster
You are a breath of fresh air in this maddening thread.
At least some of us get it.

I'm am sorry to say that I don't think that Coffeebean will ever
get it. I really hope that she does not get injured or injure
someone else in her travels in TV.
:agree:

[coffeebean]

I just realized...this discussion is going on in two different threads...this one and the thread titled, "Golf Cart & Auto Drivers". Hmmm. Had me a bit confused for a minute.

[rockaway]

I grasp the concept very well and understand EXACTLY what is expected of a driver in a roundabout. I DO NOT AGREE with the legal way to navigate these roundabouts. It is asking for trouble to be in the left (inside) lane and exiting any where in that roundabout. Doesn't matter if it's the 1st, 2nd or 3rd exit...it is still extremely dangerous to exit from the left lane, even when remaining in the left lane to exit. There are drivers in the right lane continuing along the roundabout and the driver in the left lane will cause a collision when they wind up driving right in front of a car in the right lane. That is why I drive strictly in the right lane. I can easily see a car in the left lane making an exit, therefore, I can slow down and allow that driver to exit the roundabout. I always yield to drivers in the left lane as they exit the roundabout. At least, I can see them and not be hindered by a driver's blind spot.



Coffeebean Are you just trying to be contrary or is it that you really
cannot grasp the concept.

I would like to no what other traffic laws you my choose
to disobey because you don't agree with them
Stop signs, traffic lights speed limits?

[herbaru]

There is one unwritten rule that has no adverse effect on others and that is to "stagger". If I am in the inside lane with the intent of exiting in that lane, and there is a vehicle on my immediate right, I slow enough so if he intends to improperly proceed around to the next exit, I can let him safely pass in front of me.

This is part of what I do not understand...
How is it improper for the guy in the right lane to proceed if he just entered the roundabout and wants to go straight and I entered the roundabout one entrance before for him into the left lane and now I want to exit to go straight. To me it seems that the right lane should be for right turns only.

I like the stagger idea, but as you say it is an unwritten rule.

[golf2140]

Same story every year. Traffic complaints, this last until April / May then the problem goes away

[Bogie Shooter]

I just realized...this discussion is going on in two different threads...this one and the thread titled, "Golf Cart & Auto Drivers". Hmmm. Had me a bit confused for a minute.

Thats not all that has some people comfused.

[Pturner]

There are rules of the road. Included in those rules are rules for negotiating roundabouts. Those rules are available in the form of a brochure and are clearly explained. It is up to us to know these rules.

It makes no difference what we feel the rules should be. It is what the rules are that count. By applying our own rules we endanger the lives of our fellow drivers and passengers. We also run the risk of being cited for a moving violation, points, and an unpleasant increase in our insurance premium.

There is one unwritten rule that has no adverse effect on others and that is to "stagger". If I am in the inside lane with the intent of exiting in that lane, and there is a vehicle on my immediate right, I slow enough so if he intends to improperly proceed around to the next exit, I can let him safely pass in front of me.

BTW, there was a deputy parked inside a roundabout today. They may be paying more attention to the potential problems in roundabouts.

:agree:

Even the "unwritten rule" is written, though not as well as you wrote it, Downeaster.

The brochure states, "Do not overtake other vehicles or bicyclists within the roundabout." In other words, stagger.

[rshoffer]

Same story every year. Traffic complaints, this last until April / May then the problem goes awayThis past Fri I stopped 2 confused people on their cart as they were about to exit Canal St onto 466A with their cart.

[downeaster]

This is part of what I do not understand...
How is it improper for the guy in the right lane to proceed if he just entered the roundabout and wants to go straight and I entered the roundabout one entrance before for him into the left lane and now I want to exit to go straight. To me it seems that the right lane should be for right turns only.


herbaru,

Your question can be answered here http://www.districtgov.org/PdfView/PdfView.aspx?path='/PdfUpload/RoundaboutBrochure%20-%20FINAL070908.pdf'&ql=standard

[HMLRHT1]

The key word here is caution. But herbaru makes a good point. If both parties want to go straight and each one is in a different lane and the one in the left lane got onto the roundabout at the entrance before the the one in the right lane, there could be an accident unless someone is paying attention. But who would be at fault? They were both in the correct lane.

[Pturner]

The key word here is caution. But herbaru makes a good point. If both parties want to go straight and each one is in a different lane and the one in the left lane got onto the roundabout at the entrance before the the one in the right lane, there could be an accident unless someone is paying attention. But who would be at fault? They were both in the correct lane.

Hi HM...
Caution is key, so true. Here's how the brocure addresses making a proper turn from the inside lane: "EXITING: As you exit the roundabout, be aware of vehicles traveling on the outside of the circulatory roadway that may continue to circulate around the roundabout."

Here's to being careful and following the rules!

[coffeebean]

Coffeebean Are you just trying to be contrary or is it that you really
cannot grasp the concept.

I would like to no what other traffic laws you my choose
to disobey because you don't agree with them
Stop signs, traffic lights speed limits?

I'm trying to grasp the concept. I was observing drivers in the roundabouts today. It came to me that drivers have to yield to all cars in the roundabout, including the folks in the inside (left) lane even if they are entering the roundabout in the right lane. That is the only way the roundabouts can remain safe for everyone. Only problem is, folks enter the roundabout in the right lane even when there is a car proceeding in the inside (left) lane and that is what makes these roundabouts unsafe and risky. I can see how this should work using the inside and outside lanes as long as everyone yields to any driver who is already in the roundabout.

I will begin using the inside lane to go to the third exit and hopefully will feel comfortable doing so.

[chuckinca]

The inside lane is also used for the 2nd and 4th exits.

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[Bogie Shooter]

The key word here is caution. But herbaru makes a good point. If both parties want to go straight and each one is in a different lane and the one in the left lane got onto the roundabout at the entrance before the the one in the right lane, there could be an accident unless someone is paying attention. But who would be at fault? They were both in the correct lane.

Right lane driver did not yield......got watch those types.

[herbaru]

Right lane driver did not yield......got watch those types.

I beg to differ...
If the brochure states:
EXITING: As you exit the roundabout, be aware of
vehicles traveling on the outside of the circulatory
roadway that may continue to circulate around the
roundabout.

Outside of the circle is the RIGHT lane right?
Lets now put in RIGHT LANE instead of OUTSIDE

EXITING: As you exit the roundabout, be aware of
vehicles traveling on the RIGHT LANE of the circulatory
roadway that may continue to circulate around the
roundabout.

Who is suppose to be aware of whom?
Reads to me that Left (inside) lane is about to exit and needs to be aware of the vehicles traveling in the Right (outside) lane.

[Bogie Shooter]

I beg to differ...
If the brochure states:
EXITING: As you exit the roundabout, be aware of
vehicles traveling on the outside of the circulatory
roadway that may continue to circulate around the
roundabout.

Outside of the circle is the RIGHT lane right?
Lets now put in RIGHT LANE instead of OUTSIDE

EXITING: As you exit the roundabout, be aware of
vehicles traveling on the RIGHT LANE of the circulatory
roadway that may continue to circulate around the
roundabout.

Who is suppose to be aware of whom?
Reads to me that Left (inside) lane is about to exit and needs to be aware of the vehicles traveling in the Right (outside) lane.
Not allowed to beg.

[Midge538]

"Not allowed to beg." 'Is that creely the case!'

[downeaster]

Reading these "roundabout" threads is disturbing. I posted the following on another thread:

Please, folks, read, study and understand the rules for negotiating roundabouts. There is a fund of misinformation out there. This one says it should be this way and another says it should be another but the real answer is in the rules as clearly presented in the in the brochure provided at this site:


http://www.districtgov.org/PdfView/P...9;&ql=standard

It is in pdf form so may take a minute to load. Be patient. Print it. Study it. Remember, it is your responsibility to know the rules as they apply in Florida. I, too, have negotiated some of the aforementioned, roundabouts, rotaries, traffic circles, as well as others in the UK. But we are in The Villages, Florida so lets all get on the same page.

BTW, the lack of signs as well as confusing arrows and striping do nothing but add to the confusion.

The more I read on this and other "roundabout" threads the more concerned I become.

[jblum315]

That link does not work.

[downeaster]

That link does not work.

Hmm, it certainly doesn't.

Try it again here and let me know yea or nay.


www.districtgov.org/PdfView/PdfView.aspx?path='/PdfUpload/RoundaboutBrochure%20-%20FINAL070908.pdf'&ql=standard

[paulandjean]

enough with the roundabouts. week long discussion just to longggggg.

[graciegirl]

It is a pretty interesting thread with 161 posts and over 9000 views. I have to admit that I learned how to properly drive in a traffic circle.

That is a good thing.

Picture PLEASE.:wave:

[Talk Host]

It is a pretty interesting thread with 161 posts and over 9000 views. I have to admit that I learned how to properly drive in a traffic circle.

That is a good thing.

Picture PLEASE.:wave:

You did??? Could you please explain it for all of us to understand?:highfive:

[graciegirl]

Yes.

First say your beads.

Then wait and wait and wait until there is no one anywhere and get in. If you are going to the third exit , get in the left lane and watch to see all around you what the folks in the circle are doing. If you are exiting at the first or second exit...get in the right lane. Keep an eye out.

Try to get all of your moving around The Villages done in the middle of the night.

Try not to pay attention when people in other cars are making obscene motions with their hands.

Take the number 88 off the side of your car.

[another Linda]

Yes.

First say your beads.

Then wait and wait and wait until there is no one anywhere and get in. If you are going to the third exit , get in the left lane and watch to see all around you what the folks in the circle are doing. If you are exiting at the first or second exit...get in the right lane. Keep an eye out.

Try to get all of your moving around The Villages done in the middle of the night.

Try not to pay attention when people in other cars are making obscene motions with their hands.

Take the number 88 off the side of your car.

lol. that sounds about right.

[Talk Host]

Yes.

First say your beads.

.

Say your Beads? Is that an old Catholic School saying? "Say your Beads" hmmmmmm?

BTW, do you know how it got its name "Rosary?"

[chuckinca]

Per the detailed drawings of how to use the roundabouts - they have to be completely clear of other vehicles before you can enter it and nobody can get into it when you are in it.

Still a good idea to stop to say your beads first.



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[Pturner]

Could she mean, "Blame the Engineers for the Awful Design"?

[graciegirl]

Could she mean, "Blame the Engineers for the Awful Design"?

I am tellin' ya P. You and me....we think alike, but you are a LOT smarter.

[coffeebean]

Per the detailed drawings of how to use the roundabouts - they have to be completely clear of other vehicles before you can enter it and nobody can get into it when you are in it.

Still a good idea to stop to say your beads first.



.

Really??? That means than only one car is to be in a roundabout at any given time. That doesn't make sense and it certainly doesn't happen in the roundabouts here in TV. Seriously...if a car is entering a roundabout at 12 o'clock, is the person entering at 6 o'clock supposed to see that car if there is a building in the middle of the roundabout??? That's not feasible.

[Bosoxfan]

Being from massachusetts where (rotaries) roundabouts are quite common I don't have any problems negotiating these roundabouts.When entering you always yield to the traffic already in the rotary.The difference here is there are two lanes in the roundabouts.If I'm in the right lane I should be exiting.If I'm in the left and I want to exit I should stay in the left as I exit and not move to the right.There will always be folks in the right lane not exiting and there lies the problem.So just be aware of their ignorance and proceed with CAUTION!!.Where are we all going in such a hurry?
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[chuckinca]

Really??? That means than only one car is to be in a roundabout at any given time. That doesn't make sense and it certainly doesn't happen in the roundabouts here in TV. Seriously...if a car is entering a roundabout at 12 o'clock, is the person entering at 6 o'clock supposed to see that car if there is a building in the middle of the roundabout??? That's not feasible.


Yep - really!

Look at the diagrams, the only time they show two cars in the round-n-round are when they are side by side and entering simultaneously from the same location and leaving the same location (they must prearrange this situation to be certain they follow the law correctly).

[Talk Host]

Yep - really!

Look at the diagrams, the only time they show two cars in the round-n-round are when they are side by side and entering simultaneously from the same location and leaving the same location (they must prearrange this situation to be certain they follow the law correctly).

Chuck,

I think you have hit on a wonderful idea. There should be a little meeting area just before the entrances to the roundabouts. Drivers could all stop there and discuss an entrance and exit plan. They could discuss who is going to do what. Perhaps they could have a scaled down model of the circle on a board and the drivers could practice their actions first.

[chuckinca]

Right - Sorta like filing a flight plan for an airplane!

Gotta make certain everybody drives lawfully in the round n rounds.

.

[golf2140]

Just remember one thing, don't stop while in the round about. Yesterday on Morse Blvd. a lady came to a complete stop. Those of us behind her were checking traffic to the side and rear, we almost hit her. Come on April !!!!!

[cra914]

I cannot believe someone is shocked that the "Stepford" Gate Keepers would not know what happened at the gate or pump house.......after all when one is instructed to wave their hand...and repeat "Welcome to the Villages, have a nice day" a few hundred times a day.......it begins to look mechanical, sound mechanical, and appear mechanical. Yes?:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Most likely this occurred in the wee hours of the morning (alcohol involved maybe?) which would explain why the Gate Attendant didn't know what had happened, as the Duval Gate is NOT manned from Midnight to 6 am. No Gates south of RT 466 (save Bonneybrook) are manned at that time.

As far as nothing appearing in the Daily Sun to explain what is obviously REAL NEWS is not surprising.

[golf2140]

CRA: It was noted in The Daily Sun!

[cra914]

Golf

......my apologies I've been looking and must have missed it! Would you remember what date that was?

[CSilvestrucci]

Yesterday I encountered a car going the wrong direction in the roundabout on Morse just south of LSl:ohdear:

[Bogie Shooter]

I thought this thread had gone to thread heaven.:22yikes:

[Pturner]

I thought this thread had gone to thread heaven.:22yikes:
Guess it's been to heaven and back.

[Midge538]

'Bogie Again' "I thought this thread had gone to thread heaven." Ken someone not express a further interest?

[meridana]

I tried to upload a photo of the damage at the Bailey/Odell & Buena Vista roundabout without success. If you look at the scene...starting from the broken exit gate leading westward out of Duval...it appears that the vehicle went in a perfectly straight line through the gate and completely through one of the utility buildings (concrete block construction) located within the roundabout. I saw no skid marks...leading me to believe that the driver had a 'medical emergency' such as heart attack, stroke, seizure, diabetic issue or whatever.
Without regard to the physical damage, I hope the driver survived. Perhaps Monday's paper will have the whole story.

Do you still have the pictures? If you do, perhaps you would send them to me.The driver is belived to have been involved in other accidentsof this type. On this occasion he claimed to have hit ICE.

[saratogaman]

Is there a site where one can find out about car accidents in Sumter?
Saturday night we saw two within a mile of each other on I-75 north (one car was on its roof)and another on on Rte. 44 near the Russell Stover store -- with 6 or 8 emergency vehicles and a helicopter. Couldn't find anything in the paper ...this was all seen within 10 minutes.