Permitted homes grow to 49,339

[Northerner52]

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A proposed addition to the massive Village of Southern Oaks would nearly double the number of permitted homes and increase the land area by a third.

The addition would add 5,664 acres to the project’s land area and 22,839 permitted homes.

It would bring the number of permitted homes to 49,339, up from 26,500. Non-residential uses would rise to 11.2 million square feet and government or office uses to 1.4 million square feet. Currently, The Villages has about 60,000 homes, not including the Village of Fenney.

Higher density, including condominiums and apartments, also is allowed in the Villages of Southern Oaks under changes made recently by the Wildwood City Commission.

The number of permitted homes may be higher than actual construction. Villages officials have said they would built up to 17,000 homes on the existing Villages of Southern Oaks property.

At a meeting Tuesday of the Wildwood Planning and Zoning Board, Special Magistrate Grant Watson recommended that the city commission approve the addition. The commission may vote on it later this month.


The yellow areas shows the proposed addition to the Villages of Southern Oaks.
The land is in two sections. One parcel is at the southeast corner of U.S. 301 and the Florida Turnpike, extending east along the turnpike and south about a mile along U.S. 301, nearly to Northeast 41st Lane.

The other parcel is closer to the Village of Fenney, between the Florida Turnpike and County Road 501 and extending south to both sides of County Road 470. The second parcel is south and east of the current Villages of Southern Oaks development.

The property includes 873 acres of wetlands and 6.5 acres of surface water. It also is a likely home for protected wildlife such as the gopher tortoise, burrowing owl, southeastern American kestrel, Florida sandhill crane and Sherman’s fox squirrel.

Villages developers have pledged to work with the Southwest Florida Water Management District and the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission to protect the wetlands and wildlife or mitigate the impact.

The development is expected to have a substantial effect on public utilities such as water and sewer services. A traffic study by the developer indicated the effect would be minimal due to a planned network of internal roadways.

Commercial and institutional development may increase jobs, according to a report by Wildwood development and planning director Melanie Peavy.

Although the proposed project would require zoning changes on most of the land from agriculture to age-restricted development, the report said it would not be considered urban sprawl because it would have an energy efficient land-use pattern.

[Northerner52]

Those 10,000-a-day boomers retiring need someplace to live!

[tomwed]

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[Goldwingnut]

No surprise here, this is just part of the long term planning for the Villages. And they are still holding another 10,000 acres that hasn’t proposed for development yet.

Just think, this is only a very small portion of the continuous growth here in Florida. But, this is some of the best planned communities in the country.

[Schaumburger]

49,000 possible more homes. Let's say 1.25 residents per home, as some homes will be occupied by single homeowners. 49,000 x 1.25 = 61,250 possible new residents.

That is like taking the population of my hometown of Dubuque, IA, add another 2,000 people and attaching it to The Villages. Wow.

[vintageogauge]

This should bring a lot of big retailers down here over the next few years and beyond.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When I moved here six years ago I was told that there were 60,000 homes. There was nothing on Morse south of Pinellas Place. Brownwood was still being developed so there was little on Buena Vista south of 466A.

How is it with all that development, there are still only 60,000 homes?

[champion6]

When I moved here six years ago I was told that there were 60,000 homes. There was nothing on Morse south of Pinellas Place. Brownwood was still being developed so there was little on Buena Vista south of 466A.

How is it with all that development, there are still only 60,000 homes?My opinion is that six years ago, either 1) They lied to you, or 2) They said "will be" and you remember "were," or 3) They said 60,000 residents, which was close, but a slight understatement six years ago.

Anyway ... it's time to update your numbers - along with all the rest of us, too.

[vintageogauge]

I can't get the link to open, anyone else having that problem?

[champion6]

I can't get the link to open, anyone else having that problem?Absolutely. It's a link to the online news site which is blocked from TOTV.

[Two Bills]

My wife and I first came to TV in 2000. and have seen so much growth.
We are sure the new buyers will love the place as much as we have, but the one thing we are sure of, is, we have had the best years.

[Topspinmo]

I could give a ____ as long as they keep building south. Looks like the property backs to spitting distance from the prison.

[vintageogauge]

Here comes that "Scary Prison" talk again, when will they realize that no one cares that the prison is there. It makes for a great conversation subject, especially with Whitey being in the neighborhood. Glad to see them adding more homes which means more amenities, more shopping, more golf courses, more of everything. I'm really interested in finding out what will be in the parcel between 301 and the Turnpike, and even more interested in finding out what will be on the land they own in Coleman on both sides of 301. Coleman could be a hot spot for small retail businesses, the new decorator store is doing very well over there, hoping they'll open a good independent pizza shop.

[Goldwingnut]

Here's a 65 acre plot of land in Coleman that they've (the developer) set aside for "industrial" development. It's too early to know what exactly will go in there but they started the permitting process on it so they obviously have a plan in the works for it.

[vintageogauge]

Interesting. I assumed it would not be residential due to the track being along side of it thinking possibly retail but did not figure on industrial. They have another fairly large parcel between 301 and the two existing golf courses. They just show it as "future development"

[Madelaine Amee]

Personally, we have no problem with the growth in TV, it does not affect or effect us at all! We live in own little space, shop where we want to shop and enjoy our retirement life. My hope is that the new arrivals coming into the new villages will enjoy themselves as much as we have. If you chose to live in a retirement community, this one takes a lot of beating. :smiley:

[kcrazorbackfan]

So, right now we have 12 championship courses handling 60,000 homes and another 49,000+ homes are going to be built with only one 18 hole championship course planned (by the turnpike service plaza); I really hope the Developers decide to build a few more championship complexes down there.

The courses around the 466a corridor could really get busy once the bridges down south get built.

[vintageogauge]

So, right now we have 12 championship courses handling 60,000 homes and another 49,000+ homes are going to be built with only one 18 hole championship course planned (by the turnpike service plaza); I really hope the Developers decide to build a few more championship complexes down there.

The courses around the 466a corridor could really get busy once the bridges down south get built.

They have yet to announce what all is going to be included in the additional acreage or even the original acreage as far as amenities. If the demand is there it will be built, the developers are not stupid, people are not going to be sitting in their home twiddling their thumbs down here, give them some time, you are looking at years before the first person lives in the newly announced areas.

[GoodLife]

So, right now we have 12 championship courses handling 60,000 homes and another 49,000+ homes are going to be built with only one 18 hole championship course planned (by the turnpike service plaza); I really hope the Developers decide to build a few more championship complexes down there.

The courses around the 466a corridor could really get busy once the bridges down south get built.


There are 5 Championship courses North of 466, 4 between 466 and 466A, and 3 South of 466A.


The trend is not good for golfers, especially if you live in "the center" of TV

[justjim]

There are 5 Championship courses North of 466, 4 between 466 and 466A, and 3 South of 466A.


The trend is not good for golfers, especially if you live in "the center" of TV

“Times have changed” when it comes to golf and golf courses. The number of golfers across the country is less today than yesterday. Golf courses are closing and fewer new courses are being built in the United States. In short, adjustments will be made as the next generation reaches retirement age. Fewer golf courses will likely be built in the new Villages to the south. But wait, perhaps a bike trail to Disney World will be built INSTEAD.

[Wiotte]

Defined benefit pensions are dead, social security will be adjusted further up in age to collect fully, smaller less expensive houses will be built which is going on now at Fenny and DeSoto. Retirees won’t have enough disposable income to play a championship course. Yes, the times are a changing.


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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My opinion is that six years ago, either 1) They lied to you, or 2) They said "will be" and you remember "were," or 3) They said 60,000 residents, which was close, but a slight understatement six years ago.

Anyway ... it's time to update your numbers - along with all the rest of us, too.

I remember quite clearly that I was told there were about 60,000 homes and we were approaching 100,000 residents.

I recall announcements made a few years back that we had gone over 100,000.

[vintageogauge]

Defined benefit pensions are dead, social security will be adjusted further up in age to collect fully, smaller less expensive houses will be built which is going on now at Fenny and DeSoto. Retirees won’t have enough disposable income to play a championship course. Yes, the times are a changing.


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Defined pensions are not yet dead but they will be, adjusting SS age is speculation, smaller less expensive homes began when they started building ranch homes north of Fenney, why on earth would you state that retirees won't have enough disposable income to play a championship course? The times will change but not until the 10,000 daily boomers retiring ends.

[graciegirl]

Defined pensions are not yet dead but they will be, adjusting SS age is speculation, smaller less expensive homes began when they started building ranch homes north of Fenney, why on earth would you state that retirees won't have enough disposable income to play a championship course? The times will change but not until the 10,000 daily boomers retiring ends.

Vintage. I have watched now ever since Fenney began the posts about it and many were and still are negative. It seemed evident to me that the developer had a plan to market this disengaged area that was new to be desirable and attractive to people, and he did offer lovely homes at a reasonable price and some wonderful completed homes with a lot of super features. Fenny has a great ambiance and it is very successfully filling up and I think how the pioneers benefitted from the reasonable prices and nicely outfitted homes.


Vintageoguage, I don't know why anonymous posters would heap critical remarks on a place that many have not visited. I know how annoyed and hurt I felt when we built our second home and people on this forum scoffed at building so near to 466 with all the dirt and noise.

It has turned out to be a lovely and convenient place to live with delightful neighbors and the homes that have gone up for sale here in the seven years have sold quickly and at a good profit.


I wish you continued happiness in your home in Fenney.

[Wiotte]

Defined pensions are not yet dead but they will be, adjusting SS age is speculation, smaller less expensive homes began when they started building ranch homes north of Fenney, why on earth would you state that retirees won't have enough disposable income to play a championship course? The times will change but not until the 10,000 daily boomers retiring ends.


Doesn’t matter to me one way or another. The very first sign that my home equity levels due to overbuilding we’re outta here. I’ll watch from afar on the coast as this place turns into a retirement ghetto.


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[B-flat]

Doesn’t matter to me one way or another. The very first sign that my home equity levels due to overbuilding we’re outta here. I’ll watch from afar on the coast as this place turns into a retirement ghetto.


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Hopefully by the time that takes place most of us will have passed away.

[Wiotte]

Hopefully by the time that takes place most of us will have passed away.



Which is why it’ll turn into a boarded up ghetto.


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[graciegirl]

Which is why it’ll turn into a boarded up ghetto.


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Hope not.

[vintageogauge]

Which is why it’ll turn into a boarded up ghetto.


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You mean like Urban Blight, the old sections of the cities turned into ghettos? Good reason to move south if that is going to be the case (not that I think it will happen), down here will be the newest areas and not subject to your speculative conclusions.

[Wiotte]

You mean like Urban Blight, the old sections of the cities turned into ghettos? Good reason to move south if that is going to be the case (not that I think it will happen), down here will be the newest areas and not subject to your speculative conclusions.


Again, don’t care. The Florida coast will always be in demand. Money flows to coastal areas not the geographical center of a state or country. That is a fact.


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[eweissenbach]

Doesn’t matter to me one way or another. The very first sign that my home equity levels due to overbuilding we’re outta here. I’ll watch from afar on the coast as this place turns into a retirement ghetto.


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Hopefully by the time that takes place most of us will have passed away.

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so I'll give you mine. It is impossible to see the future, but I don't foresee TV being a "boarded up ghetto" for many decades, if ever. Sun City, Arizona, arguably the original planned retirement community, is still vibrant and active after some sixty years. It will be interesting to see how TV transitions from developer control to resident control, but my opinion is it will continue to thrive well beyond my life expectancy, just as it has beyond the lives of Harold and Gary.

[skyking]

The rest of the story:
"The number of permitted homes may be higher than actual construction. Villages officials have said they would built up to 17,000 homes on the existing Villages of Southern Oaks property."

[Wiotte]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so I'll give you mine. It is impossible to see the future, but I don't foresee TV being a "boarded up ghetto" for many decades, if ever. Sun City, Arizona, arguably the original planned retirement community, is still vibrant and active after some sixty years. It will be interesting to see how TV transitions from developer control to resident control, but my opinion is it will continue to thrive well beyond my life expectancy, just as it has beyond the lives of Harold and Gary.



I hope you’re right, not me. I happen to like it here, but love my bank accounts more.


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[vintageogauge]

Again, don’t care. The Florida coast will always be in demand. Money flows to coastal areas not the geographical center of a state or country. That is a fact.


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Coastal properties continue to rise in cost as well as their taxes, just simple supply and demand math. In addition the cost of insuring costal properties has already become significantly higher than interior homes and after a few more hurricanes full coverage may not even be available. With the 10,000 boomers retiring daily, don't be fooled thinking there will be budget friendly homes available on either coast. Developers in those area are not fools and they know very well what is happening in Florida. Be happy with what you have, you may not be around as long as you plan so live life to it's fullest while you have the chance. For a lot of people TV is the last stop before the Pearly Gates.

[Packer Fan]

“Times have changed” when it comes to golf and golf courses. The number of golfers across the country is less today than yesterday. Golf courses are closing and fewer new courses are being built in the United States. In short, adjustments will be made as the next generation reaches retirement age. Fewer golf courses will likely be built in the new Villages to the south. But wait, perhaps a bike trail to Disney World will be built INSTEAD.

Bike trails? did you say Bike Trails? Now that would be fantastic. The multimodal paths and streets are great for biking, but a true bike path would be awesome. However, not so sure about Golf. Golf is something a lot of people take up later in life. Believe me, Mellenials will change as they age.

[The Chipster]

I told my wife, when moved into the Village of Dunedin, onto Lake Deacon, that within 10 years we would be in the center of the Villages. Old Timers, brace yourself.

[eweissenbach]

I told my wife, when moved into the Village of Dunedin, onto Lake Deacon, that within 10 years we would be in the center of the Villages. Old Timers, brace yourself.

I am not an "old timer", but we rented for 9 years before buying this winter. However, I see no need for anyone to have to brace themselves for continued expansion. I am happy to shop, golf, enjoy entertainment, play pickelball, etc. in the same areas I have for most of the past decade. They can build to Orlando as far as I'm concerned and it won't affect my lifestyle much, if any. I am fairly certain the people north of 466 feel mostly unaffected by the growth in the new areas. Naturally there will be some additional demand on existing resources (golf courses, squares, restaurants, shopping) but in time they will have those things in the new areas and they will mostly use their local venues. I am happy in Sanibel.

[Wiotte]

Being in the new “middle” might be irrelevant. Everything we do now is North, don’t see that changing in the future especially with all the new retail at Trailwinds filling up faster than Lake Deaton Plaza with 2 useless banks so far, room for 2 more useless banks.


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[vintageogauge]

Being in the new “middle” might be irrelevant. Everything we do now is North, don’t see that changing in the future especially with all the new retail at Trailwinds filling up faster than Lake Deaton Plaza with 2 useless banks so far, room for 2 more useless banks.


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You ain't seen nothin yet. You'll be traveling south in the not to distant future when all the fresh retail starts filling in the blanks down here. There is one heck of a lot of commercial land south of 44 and it won't sit idle for long. When there is this much growth on the way only a fool would shy away

[Wiotte]

You ain't seen nothin yet. You'll be traveling south in the not to distant future when all the fresh retail starts filling in the blanks down here. There is one heck of a lot of commercial land south of 44 and it won't sit idle for long. When there is this much growth on the way only a fool would shy away



If the turnpike exit was put in, yes.


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[vintageogauge]

If the turnpike exit was put in, yes.


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301 and 470 exits will suffice. Along with I-75 exits on 301 and 470. These existing ramps will allow for more than enough highway access to the Southern Villages for years to come. 301 is proposed to be 4-lanes all the way down to Coleman which will make it much easier for those exiting I-75/Turnpike on 301 to get down here as well as for those living north of 44 and west of Buena Vista. Remember, there are no interstates exits near the Rolling Acres and north etc. shopping districts and they seem to be doing quite well and have been for a long time. Build it and they will come. I like Belk's 3 for 1 sales, I hope they build a Belk's down here and a Dick's Sporting Goods and I'm sure Home Depot will be somewhere soon as they are quite far from us, just to name a few. I would notify all of them as to what's going on down here but I'm sure they already know and plans are in the works.

[Wiotte]

301 and 470 exits will suffice. Along with I-75 exits on 301 and 470. These existing ramps will allow for more than enough highway access to the Southern Villages for years to come. 301 is proposed to be 4-lanes all the way down to Coleman which will make it much easier for those exiting I-75/Turnpike on 301 to get down here as well as for those living north of 44 and west of Buena Vista. Remember, there are no interstates exits near the Rolling Acres and north etc. shopping districts and they seem to be doing quite well and have been for a long time. Build it and they will come. I like Belk's 3 for 1 sales, I hope they build a Belk's down here and a Dick's Sporting Goods and I'm sure Home Depot will be somewhere soon as they are quite far from us, just to name a few. I would notify all of them as to what's going on down here but I'm sure they already know and plans are in the works.



Not gonna happen.


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[vintageogauge]

Not gonna happen.


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Gonna Happen but you stated your leaving anyway so you'll never see them.

[tophcfa]

So, right now we have 12 championship courses handling 60,000 homes and another 49,000+ homes are going to be built with only one 18 hole championship course planned (by the turnpike service plaza); I really hope the Developers decide to build a few more championship complexes down there.

The courses around the 466a corridor could really get busy once the bridges down south get built.

I second that golfing brother. Millennialis might not be golfing, but retireing baby boomers will still be looking at the Villages as a golfing community. Given both future growth plans, as well as the fact that there has ALREADY been significant growth since Belle Glade opened four years ago, several new Championship courses will need to be built.

[asianthree]

My parents played golf at our country club once a week, in retirement maybe 4 times a week. While I still work, the retired half plays 7 days a week, either in TV, or at CC up north. We have noticed less and less are playing at the club up north.
Our oldest has a place in North Carolina, and TV. They play every day in summer, and maybe once a week in the fall. Middle plays zero golf, youngest plays when he visits in NC, or TV. They all prefer to run, bike, hike, tennis, softball, and go to the gym. Golf will not be a priority for them.

The 3 grands play in summers up north once a week. While they enjoy golf, they too have other interests that are a priority.

We have noticed as we meet new arrivals here, not all play golf.

[vintageogauge]

Our street in Fenney has 9 homes on it of these 9 homes only 2 men play golf and both only once a week. Also the majority of the people I've met over the last 14 months down here do not golf. Not a statistic but a fact that might be a sign of the future retirees choice of activities. Pickle Ball, Bocce, and water volleyball seem to be the most popular down here.

[biker1]

Where we lived previously to The Villages was a gated golfing community. I believe we were typical of golf communities in that about 30% of the homes had golfers.

Our street in Fenney has 9 homes on it of these 9 homes only 2 men play golf and both only once a week. Also the majority of the people I've met over the last 14 months down here do not golf. Not a statistic but a fact that might be a sign of the future retirees choice of activities. Pickle Ball, Bocce, and water volleyball seem to be the most popular down here.

[Wiotte]

Our street in Fenney has 9 homes on it of these 9 homes only 2 men play golf and both only once a week. Also the majority of the people I've met over the last 14 months down here do not golf. Not a statistic but a fact that might be a sign of the future retirees choice of activities. Pickle Ball, Bocce, and water volleyball seem to be the most popular down here.



Actually, drinking, carousing, complaining are popular as well. Fenny must be a dry Village 🤭


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[vintageogauge]

Admit it, you enjoy our bantering [emoji6]


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what I enjoy is living in Fenney and watching all of the growth down here. Meeting new residents on a daily basis, participating in the social events, having quiet peaceful surroundings, watching the sun go down over the water and mossy oaks from our Lanai, quiet morning sunrises, the rural atmosphere but mostly the friendships made over the last year plus. Now that Fenney is pretty much completed it's fun to take a golf car ride into DeSoto which is well under way with hundreds of homes and McClure to see the progress on the golf courses and another village taking shape. Wouldn't trade it for any other location and we were snowbirds in 6 different villages before buying and becoming full timers down here. It's different in a positive way.

[tophcfa]

Our street in Fenney has 9 homes on it of these 9 homes only 2 men play golf and both only once a week. Also the majority of the people I've met over the last 14 months down here do not golf. Not a statistic but a fact that might be a sign of the future retirees choice of activities. Pickle Ball, Bocce, and water volleyball seem to be the most popular down here.

I suspect the lack of golfers living in Fenney is because of the lack of golf courses. Golfers will look for homes in other areas where there are golf courses. Just like field of dreams, if you build it, they will come!

[vintageogauge]

I suspect the lack of golfers living in Fenney is because of the lack of golf courses. Golfers will look for homes in other areas where there are golf courses. Just like field of dreams, if you build it, they will come!

That is quite possible.

[Travel Addict]

Is Talk of the Villages owned by TV? I always suspected it was independent and created by an individual.

[Bogie Shooter]

Not gonna happen.


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Gonna Happen but you stated your leaving anyway so you'll never see them.

I missed that. Is it true??

[Bogie Shooter]

Is Talk of the Villages owned by TV? I always suspected it was independent and created by an individual.

Scroll down to the bottom of this page...……….
No. Your suspicion is correct.

[dolphin]

In addition to water, the bigger issue is quality of medical care. Would like to see the strategic plan for addressing this issue. The medical care in terms of quality, staffing, facilities etc is currently stressed! While there are plans for the health care facility on 44 near Publix,This is only an emergency/urgent care faciility. In no way, will this address the expanded health care requirements of an plus residents. Where will they get the professional and QUALIFIED health care support staff. Likewise, the Leesburg and Villages hospital cannot adequately address the in season demand currently, can’t even imagine what it will be like in the future if projections are accurate. Where will the funding for expanded hospital care come from?
Regarding traffic and services. Minimally, 44 will become like441/27. Clearly traffic will be an issue as well. Just some thoughts, hope the county planners, villages staff etc are properly forecasting solutions to these issues.

[vintageogauge]

In addition to water, the bigger issue is quality of medical care. Would like to see the strategic plan for addressing this issue. The medical care in terms of quality, staffing, facilities etc is currently stressed! While there are plans for the health care facility on 44 near Publix,This is only an emergency/urgent care faciility. In no way, will this address the expanded health care requirements of an plus residents. Where will they get the professional and QUALIFIED health care support staff. Likewise, the Leesburg and Villages hospital cannot adequately address the in season demand currently, can’t even imagine what it will be like in the future if projections are accurate. Where will the funding for expanded hospital care come from?
Regarding traffic and services. Minimally, 44 will become like441/27. Clearly traffic will be an issue as well. Just some thoughts, hope the county planners, villages staff etc are properly forecasting solutions to these issues.

The brownwood facility and acreage set aside for Medical facilities on 44 across from Rohan will aid in emergencies. If a hospital stay is required it's only 25 minutes from Fenney to Ocala which is closer than we had to travel when we lived up north. Can also get to Tampa and Orlando in less than one hour from here and many are already choosing these hospitals for surgeries that are not out patient. I'm sure all of this is in the plans, where to get qualified staffing is anyone's guess as there are shortages not just in Florida but all over the country thus the increased numbers of nurse practitioners and physician assistants. And, I hate waiting an hour to see a doctor when I have an appointment but such is life.

[Vette2014]

Where is all the water coming from to support the Village Greed?

Just Askin.

[Fastskiguy]

I told my wife, when moved into the Village of Dunedin, onto Lake Deacon, that within 10 years we would be in the center of the Villages. Old Timers, brace yourself.

This was good foresight for sure.

I'm a fan of TV and I think this expansion is great!

I'm not an old timer and I'm only there a few weeks per year but....even I remember when "we're not going south of 466A!" Ha!

-Joe

[champion6]

Where is all the water coming from to support the Village Greed?
Just Askin.The drinking water comes from the Upper Floridan aquifer. Google it. This source is also used for lawn irrigation north of 466.

[Wiotte]

I missed that. Is it true??



Sorry BS, only true if this absurd overdevelopment affects my equity bottom line. But I suspect only Fenny will be affected in the short term. Word is spreading about the monthly mine explosions cracking foundations.


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[vintageogauge]

Sorry BS, only true if this absurd overdevelopment affects my equity bottom line. But I suspect only Fenny will be affected in the short term. Word is spreading about the monthly mine explosions cracking foundations.


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Show us one report of a cracking foundation in Fenney due to quarry detonations, post some facts on here to back-up the statements. These things are the equivalent of a child jumping off a bed in a second story house and you happen to be below him/or her and they don't occur every month, their new quarry site is now going to be further west so they will be felt even less.. Some people cannot admit how successful the southern villages are and how great this growth is going to be for everyone, they are Sooooo jealous of this great new area that they have to constantly bash it. Thankfully we are now only hearing from one or two of them as the others realized now that they were wrong.

[Wiotte]

Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. Plant just a bit of information and that’s all it takes to instill doubt into a buyers mind. My agenda has NOTHING to do with jealously or hate, it has to do with my wallet. Just as prices north of 466 are lower, prices south of 44 will be lower. There are those who made a poor financial decision and are using TOTV in an attempt to shore up their losses. [emoji3]


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[vintageogauge]

Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. Plant just a bit of information and that’s all it takes to instill doubt into a buyers mind. My agenda has NOTHING to do with jealously or hate, it has to do with my wallet. Just as prices north of 466 are lower, prices south of 44 will be lower. There are those who made a poor financial decision and are using TOTV in an attempt to shore up their losses. [emoji3]


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WOW "Doesn't matter if it's true" well we all now know you cannot be believed and you are simply attempting to slow down home selling in Fenney. You are a special person indeed.

[Wiotte]

WOW "Doesn't matter if it's true" well we all now know you cannot be believed and you are simply attempting to slow down home selling in Fenney. You are a special person indeed.



That’s your opinion, not mine. But I do hope slow sales south of 44 will continue to as they are now and in the future increase my equity. Buyers overwhelming desire north of 44 Sumter Cty not Fruitland Pk, Lake Cty. Our sales and DOM most definitely reflect that. I watch as those little dots on the map appear, disappear in the blink of an eye.
I have always since buying my first house in 1980 purchased location over house every time. 6 moves in 45 years has yielded an 40 fold increase in equity since, I’m still on track living where I am now.

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[Bogie Shooter]

Where is all the water coming from to support the Village Greed?

Just Askin.

What do you mean, greed?

[Bogie Shooter]

Sorry BS, only true if this absurd overdevelopment affects my equity bottom line. But I suspect only Fenny will be affected in the short term. Word is spreading about the monthly mine explosions cracking foundations.


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Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. Plant just a bit of information and that’s all it takes to instill doubt into a buyers mind. My agenda has NOTHING to do with jealously or hate, it has to do with my wallet. Just as prices north of 466 are lower, prices south of 44 will be lower. There are those who made a poor financial decision and are using TOTV in an attempt to shore up their losses. [emoji3]


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That’s your opinion, not mine. But I do hope slow sales south of 44 will continue to as they are now and in the future increase my equity. Buyers overwhelming desire north of 44 Sumter Cty not Fruitland Pk, Lake Cty. Our sales and DOM most definitely reflect that. I watch as those little dots on the map appear, disappear in the blink of an eye.
I have always since buying my first house in 1980 purchased location over house every time. 6 moves in 45 years has yielded an 40 fold increase in equity since, I’m still on track living where I am now.

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The Fenney bashing just never stops.

[Wiotte]

The Fenney bashing just never stops.



Highlight mine all you want, I’m not the only one.


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[dewilson58]

What do you mean, greed?

Some posts you just need to ignore.

:thumbup:

[Moderator]

OK, let's get back on topic of the expansion plans. This thread is not for Fenny bashing/defending.

Moderator

[Wiotte]

OK, let's get back on topic of the expansion plans. This thread is not for Fenny bashing/defending.



Moderator


Bottom line

No expansion, good for my equity.
Expansion, not good for my equity.


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[Bogie Shooter]

OK, let's get back on topic of the expansion plans. This thread is not for Fenny bashing/defending.

Moderator

Maybe its time to stop the Fenny bashing??

[Wiotte]

Maybe its time to stop the Fenny bashing??



Hard to separate Fenny from the expansion plans. It’s the poster child.


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[WhoDat]

My concern with the new development is what appears to be a lack of amenities and the extra large villages. Many of the villages south of 466A seem larger than those north of 466A and in the new area they seem even bigger. They don't have recreations centers, they have recreation "areas". There also seems to be a lack of swimming pools and golf courses. That will put pressure on the amenities north of 44. I believe every country club with the exception of the new one planned is 27 holes and there seems to be less executive courses planned Are they planning for more regional recreation centers? looks like only one is planned.

[Wiotte]

My concern with the new development is what appears to be a lack of amenities and the extra large villages. Many of the villages south of 466A seem larger than those north of 466A and in the new area they seem even bigger. They don't have recreations centers, they have recreation "areas". There also seems to be a lack of swimming pools and golf courses. That will put pressure on the amenities north of 44. I believe every country club with the exception of the new one planned is 27 holes and there seems to be less executive courses planned Are they planning for more regional recreation centers? looks like only one is planned.



Which will only make the neighborhoods north of 44 more sought after. I don’t look at this as a bad thing especially since miniature golf is such a big hit.


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[photo1902]

My concern with the new development is what appears to be a lack of amenities and the extra large villages. Many of the villages south of 466A seem larger than those north of 466A and in the new area they seem even bigger. They don't have recreations centers, they have recreation "areas". There also seems to be a lack of swimming pools and golf courses. That will put pressure on the amenities north of 44. I believe every country club with the exception of the new one planned is 27 holes and there seems to be less executive courses planned Are they planning for more regional recreation centers? looks like only one is planned.

There are 22 Rec. Centers south of 466A, along with 12 golf courses. How many more do you need?

[Wiotte]

There are 22 Rec. Centers south of 466A. How many more do you need?



They were built to accommodate the existing housing, not visitors coming from south of 44.


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[laurietopolski]

Wish it was only 1.5.

[asianthree]

So back to the original OPs post. The farm area looks bigger than I had imagined. I am excited to see the possibility’s as it evolves. Little jealous of those who have homes close to it

[ColdNoMore]

So back to the original OPs post. The farm area looks bigger than I had imagined. I am excited to see the possibility’s as it evolves. Little jealous of those who have homes close to it.

It will probably be...'the build-out.'




:D

[fw102807]

As each section of TV was built I am sure this was continuing concern. The people north of 466 thought it was terrible that the LSL area was built and then those people thought it was horrible when Brownwood was built. Now the concern is south of 44. There are always people who won't like it but you cannot stop it. Adapt or leave there are always choices.

[vintageogauge]

Fenney, DeSoto, and McClure may well be the center of TV once all that has been approved is developed and that puts us in the sweet spot, not a bad place to be.

[Wiotte]

Fenney, DeSoto, and McClure may well be the center of TV once all that has been approved is developed and that puts us in the sweet spot, not a bad place to be.



The center ? Have you seen the map ?


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[Wiotte]

As each section of TV was built I am sure this was continuing concern. The people north of 466 thought it was terrible that the LSL area was built and then those people thought it was horrible when Brownwood was built. Now the concern is south of 44. There are always people who won't like it but you cannot stop it. Adapt or leave there are always choices.



When it comes to the decision of buying a house I have one concern and one concern only, an equity guarantee. Emotions have no place in the decision. I neither like or dislike any particular area, it’s NOTHING more than a high interest savings account insured by the FDIC of me.



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[fw102807]

When it comes to the decision of buying a house I have one concern and one concern only, an equity guarantee. Emotions have no place in the decision. I neither like or dislike any particular area, it’s NOTHING more than a high interest savings account insured by the FDIC of me.



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Actually for some it is an emotional decision. I respect your point of view but even if my property lost value I would not at this time leave. For me lifestyle is a big factor.