TV Will Build for At Least 20-30 Years + 4th Town Square

[champion6]

This plan (VOSO exhibit A) for the construction of roads was approved by Sumter County. An agreement between The Villages and Sumter County was reviewed and approved at the SC Board of County Commissioners meeting.

The agreement specifies a town square will be located in Sumter County, but not the location.

In addition to the massive size of the plans, I see these interesting items:

Buena Vista Blvd will be extended south of 44. It will connect to Meggison Rd which will extend into Lake County.
There will be roads connecting 301 to TV just south of the turnpike and south of Coleman.
A road will cross the turnpike south of the Okahumpka service area. Presumably the existing cattle bridge will be converted to a golf cart bridge and a vehicle bridge will be built next to it.

The roads planned for south of 470 give an indication of how far south TV will build. I know one thing ... I will be six feet under before build-out is complete.

[ColdNoMore]

I'm sure Da Family has more mouths to feed...every year. :shrug:

[Chatbrat]

In 20-30 years most people currently on this forum won't be here to care about anything--not our concern what the developers do-unless Morse Blv'd & Buena Vista- start to look like the LIE

[Goldwingnut]

So these new drawings show growth plans for another 20+ square miles beyond what we knew about up until this morning. One could extrapolate this to be another 50,000 homes south of CR470, or tripling the current size of TV in the next 30+ years. Pretty amazing plans, it will be interesting to watch it happen.

Nice find Champion6!

[vintageogauge]

This is quite amazing. How many privately owned developers in this country do you feel have as much in the works as this family. To have this many square miles of land ready to go, a project to last decades, is quite remarkable.

[Gpsma]

Just in time for Millenials to retire here.

[dewilson58]

That's a lot of room for dog poop.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Living in the Marion County portion of TV, this news is almost like hearing about a development in another state. I cannot imagine ever visiting the new square after we take the curiosity windshield tour...if we are still kicking.

[eweissenbach]

Harold is upstairs saying, "what the hell happened to my trailer park?"

[Goldwingnut]

Harold is upstairs saying, "what the hell happened to my trailer park?"

You're kidding, right? This was all a part of his plans, the details may not have been all worked out, but his plans none the less. He and his son were busy buying up farmland in the 90's and 2000's that made up TV between CR466 and SR44, you don't jump into such a massive venture without a well thought out plan. This latest tidbit of information is just a glimpse into some of the even longer term thinking they were doing back then.

[eweissenbach]

You're kidding, right? This was all a part of his plans, the details may not have been all worked out, but his plans none the less. He and his son were busy buying up farmland in the 90's and 2000's that made up TV between CR466 and SR44, you don't jump into such a massive venture without a well thought out plan. This latest tidbit of information is just a glimpse into some of the even longer term thinking they were doing back then.

No disrespect to Mr. Schwartz but most people agree that Harold was not that big a thinker. Harold's vision was a mobile home community with amenities. It was not until he brought son Gary in that the vision expanded. Anyway - who knows? All I know is it is nothing like the Orange Blossom Gardens it originally set out to be.

[dewilson58]

No disrespect to Mr. Schwartz but most people agree that Harold was not that big a thinker. Harold's vision was a mobile home community with amenities. It was not until he brought son Gary in that the vision expanded. Anyway - who knows? All I know is it is nothing like the Orange Blossom Gardens it originally set out to be.

And people use to like the Model T.

[ColdNoMore]

And people use to like the Model T.

Until they didn't...or wanted a red one. :D

[Chi-Town]

Harold is upstairs saying, "what the hell happened to my trailer park?"Here it is. ....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180711/c4a8355f7832fc5d1acd888420b20ac5.jpg

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[Marathon Man]

Here it is. ....

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Love it.

[Marathon Man]

No disrespect to Mr. Schwartz but most people agree that Harold was not that big a thinker. Harold's vision was a mobile home community with amenities. It was not until he brought son Gary in that the vision expanded. Anyway - who knows? All I know is it is nothing like the Orange Blossom Gardens it originally set out to be.

Correct. While Harold is credited as the founder, it was Gary who had the vision and made The Villages what it is today. And to those that believe that Harold is spinning in his grave at what the community has become, keep in mind that he was there when the big expansion south began. Spinning? Maybe. I think it is from total pride in his family.

[justjim]

On our first visit to TV, we had the pleasure of meeting Harold Schwartz. It was in the mid 90’s prior to our retirement. It was also prior to the building of the hospital. New houses were all “stick/block” built then. Mr. Schwartz was very personable as he greeted us in the sales office @ Spanish Springs. It was our pleasure to shake his hand and briefly speak to him.

We are sorry we never met Gary Morse. I’ve no idea how much future planning they might have done together, but the two seem to compliment one another. I would say both of them would be very proud of what is taking place these days in The Villages.

[EdFNJ]

Here it is. ....

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WOW ...... what year was that from?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Harold is upstairs saying, "what the hell happened to my trailer park?"

Hahahahahahaha

[Schaumburger]

So these new drawings show growth plans for another 20+ square miles beyond what we knew about up until this morning. One could extrapolate this to be another 50,000 homes south of CR470, or tripling the current size of TV in the next 30+ years. Pretty amazing plans, it will be interesting to watch it happen.

Nice find Champion6!

Goldwingnut, keep your drone in good shape. I think you will be able to use it to fly over the expansion of The Villages for quite some time.

[Chi-Town]

WOW ...... what year was that from?Not quite sure.

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[Laker14]

Here it is. ....

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What a stupid idea. It will never fly.

[B-flat]

Living in the Marion County portion of TV, this news is almost like hearing about a development in another state. I cannot imagine ever visiting the new square after we take the curiosity windshield tour...if we are still kicking.

Plus 1.

[ColdNoMore]

Here it is. ....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180711/c4a8355f7832fc5d1acd888420b20ac5.jpg


I like the "Perma-Mobile" part. :D


Is that kinda like a 'Fast-Stationary' car? :1rotfl:

[2BNTV]

Like the man once said, "build out is a myth".

Harold Schwartz and Al Tarrson started TV and Harold bought out Al and subsequently brought he son, Harold "Gary Morse", to help in the building of TV.

Gary was the visionary and his family is continuing his legacy. I never thought TV would grow to be this big but what the heck do I know. :smiley:

As the population ages and more and more people are ready to retire, the Morse family is filling a great need. IMHO

[patfla06]

Just in time for Millenials to retire here.

Well my Millenial Son will inherit our house so maybe he
should hold onto it for his retirement in 30 years!??

[tomwed]

Well my Millenial Son will inherit our house so maybe he
should hold onto it for his retirement in 30 years!??
In 30 years what part of the villages be considered the historical part of town? Anywhere above Brownwood?

[queasy27]

I cannot imagine ever visiting the new square after we take the curiosity windshield tour...if we are still kicking.

I'll be quite happy just watching the V-Mail videos that cover the construction!

(Confession: I still haven't even been to Brownwood.)

[rustyp]

Well my Millenial Son will inherit our house so maybe he
should hold onto it for his retirement in 30 years!??

In 30 years they will be tearing your house down and instituting the revitalization program in your neighborhood.

[ColdNoMore]

I heard from a very reliable source, that 'build-out' is definitely going to be August 14.......








.........2059





Can't wait. :D

[Chi-Town]

Baby Boomers. 1946 - 1964

Generation X. 1965 - 1981

Millennials. 1982 - 2000

Looks like Gen X is next up for The Villages (after The Baby Boomer run).

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[2BNTV]

I heard from a very reliable source, that 'build-out' is definitely going to be August 14.......








.........2059





Can't wait. :D

Funny stuff!

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I wish that somewhere along the way they would find a place for deeded luxury RV lots.

[ColdNoMore]

I wish that somewhere along the way they would find a place for deeded luxury RV lots.

While I'm personally not too keen on a 'deeded' park, I've wondered many times...why they haven't built a high-end/luxury RV park nearby. :shrug:

Keep it at around 100 luxurious spots, make it golf cart accessible, require a minimum motor-home/5th wheel size and age...then limit the stay to a couple of weeks or less.

I would think that with those requirements (maybe even a few more?), it would attract exactly the kind of demographic...to which TV likes to market.

It would make it easy for those RV'ers traveling around and who could afford to purchase here, to stop for a bit...and get an idea of what TV is all about.

I don't know what the current cost of a 'Lifestyle Visit' is (to the visitor and/or TV), but I'm guessing that an RV park as described...would at least pay for itself.

And of course, all rents would be refunded...with a purchase. :ho:


15 best Luxury RV Resorts (http://www.campanda.com/magazine/15-best-luxury-rv-resorts-campgrounds/)

[Packer Fan]

Baby Boomers. 1946 - 1964

Generation X. 1965 - 1981

Millennials. 1982 - 2000

Looks like Gen X is next up for The Villages (after The Baby Boomer run).

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I have never agreed with that split, I was born in 1963, and I have nothing in common with the majority of boomers whose teen years were - MLK, Kennedy assasination, Viet Nam, Hippies, and the Beatles. Mine was more like - Moon Landing, watergate, bicentennial, Disco, Star Wars, REO Speedwagon, Inflation, and Ronald Reagan's election. Totally different. I definitely identify way more with Gen X than Baby Boom.
I guess the main issue is that the generations are too long... I doubt someone born in 1982 vs 2000 is way different too...

[My Post]

I definitely identify way more with Gen X than Baby Boom.


It comes down to this Pack Fan, did you like Nirvana or not?

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I have never agreed with that split, I was born in 1963, and I have nothing in common with the majority of boomers whose teen years were - MLK, Kennedy assasination, Viet Nam, Hippies, and the Beatles. Mine was more like - Moon Landing, watergate, bicentennial, Disco, Star Wars, REO Speedwagon, Inflation, and Ronald Reagan's election. Totally different. I definitely identify way more with Gen X than Baby Boom.
I guess the main issue is that the generations are too long... I doubt someone born in 1982 vs 2000 is way different too...

Hey, quit appropriating my generational events.:D You were only six for the moon landing. Only the first one counts. I watched it on black and white TV while in a 24 hour long acey deucy game in the basement of an MP station in Berlin. I still have the IOUs somewhere just in case I ever run into those welchers again.

[photo1902]

While I'm personally not too keen on a 'deeded' park, I've wondered many times...why they haven't built a high-end/luxury RV park nearby. :shrug:

Keep it at around 100 luxurious spots, make it golf cart accessible, require a minimum motor-home/5th wheel size and age...then limit the stay to a couple of weeks or less.

I would think that with those requirements (maybe even a few more?), it would attract exactly the kind of demographic...to which TV likes to market.

It would make it easy for those RV'ers traveling around and who could afford to purchase here, to stop for a bit...and get an idea of what TV is all about.

I don't know what the current cost of a 'Lifestyle Visit' is (to the visitor and/or TV), but I'm guessing that an RV park as described...would at least pay for itself.

And of course, all rents would be refunded...with a purchase. :ho:


15 best Luxury RV Resorts (http://www.campanda.com/magazine/15-best-luxury-rv-resorts-campgrounds/)

Can they build this behind your house?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

In 20-30 years most people currently on this forum won't be here to care about anything--not our concern what the developers do-unless Morse Blv'd & Buena Vista- start to look like the LIE

In 20-30 years your kids will be looking for a place to retire. It's possible that in 20-30 years, your kids will already have done so, and will be living in The Villages.

What legacy do you wish to leave your children?

[asianthree]

In 20-30 years your kids will be looking for a place to retire. It's possible that in 20-30 years, your kids will already have done so, and will be living in The Villages.

What legacy do you wish to leave your children?

Gen-X and millennials are already buying here.

[ColdNoMore]

Can they build this behind your house?

If there was the room...not a problem.

I would much prefer to have diesel pushers that cost more than 75% of the homes in TV being near me...than another convenience store/gas station. :oops:

Am I to presume then, that you're also against the current (or future) storage areas...that The Developer has built (or will build)?

And if you're OK with them...then what's the diff?

Here, let me show you the difference.

http://www.doityourselfrv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/luxury-rv-resorts-parks-bella.jpg

So please explain, why you are so against...something like this? :popcorn:

[vintageogauge]

There is a private rv park being built near rohan. Excuse my using caps onlt one arm for a little while

[photo1902]

:popcorn:If there was the room...not a problem.

I would much prefer to have diesel pushers that cost more than 75% of the homes in TV being near me...than another convenience store/gas station. :oops:

Am I to presume then, that you're also against the current (or future) storage areas...that The Developer has built (or will build)?

And if you're OK with them...then what's the diff?

Here, let me show you the difference.

http://www.doityourselfrv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/luxury-rv-resorts-parks-bella.jpg

So please explain, why you are so against...something like this? :popcorn:

Not in my back yard. Thanks anyways. I took the time to look at over 70 homes before deciding on one I felt was perfect for my budget, so I didn't have to worry about what might appear on undeveloped land I had a view of.

[Lindaketchup]

Gen-X and millennials are already buying here.

Yes, they are. My daughter and her husband plan to be here by 2021, they will be 55 and 53 that year.

[karostay]

Just in time for Millenials to retire here.

Their already here ..Just leaching off their parents and grandparents

[manaboutown]

Their already here ..Just leaching off their parents and grandparents

Yep, they make the unmentionable news regularly.

[Bay Kid]

Great! Controlled development.

[asianthree]

Their already here ..Just leaching off their parents and grandparents

That’s so sad, glad our kids grew up to be doctors, and bought in TV their forty’s. They work smarter not harder, something I wish we would have done. They love that summer heat, in Florida, we on the other hand retreat to the north for water you can swim in, with out a gator biting your arm off.

[coffeebean]

In 20-30 years most people currently on this forum won't be here to care about anything--not our concern what the developers do-unless Morse Blv'd & Buena Vista- start to look like the LIE

Long Island Expressway. Right?

[precision62]

Late boomers and gen x group won’t be able to retire until they reach mid 70’s.

Thankfully Florida will be one of few states left for retirees to live comfortably at a reasonable cost of living.

[tagjr1]

In 20-30 years most people currently on this forum won't be here to care about anything--not our concern what the developers do-unless Morse Blv'd & Buena Vista- start to look like the LIE

Too late for that comment! Traffic is bad now and will only get worse!

[photo1902]

Too late for that comment! Traffic is bad now and will only get worse!

I travel BV and Morse, practically everyday. I have yet to experience traffic jams. I sure would like to know where the people moved from who think traffic is bad here.

[asianthree]

Too late for that comment! Traffic is bad now and will only get worse!

Friday I SAT on I75 for 2 hours just to go up north. Traffic is never going to be even close to what pre retirement driving experience was before moving to TV.

[Polar Bear]

I travel BV and Morse, practically everyday. I have yet to experience traffic jams. I sure would like to know where the people moved from who think traffic is bad here.
Gotta agree.

I know traffic is rather relative. But for me, in my five years here, I've yet to experience what my 20+ years in Tampa Bay defined for me as bad traffic.

[Retiring]

In 30 yrs I’ll be 85. If the Lord allows me to still be upright at that time, I’ll be on this forum as they announce the 5th square. I’ll say, remember when they planned to be built out in 30 back in ’18. I’m sure the replies will be, this place will never be finished.

Long after the Magic Kingdom is announced as the 21st town square they will be building. When the 33rd square is built on top of the current launch pad at the Cape, they will still be asking when is the build out. BTW, the golf carts will be able to reach 60 mph by then, allowing you to go from LSL to Lunar Square at Cape Canaveral in the same day.

[pooh]

In 30 yrs I’ll be 85. If the Lord allows me to still be upright at that time, I’ll be on this forum as they announce the 5th square. I’ll say, remember when they planned to be built out in 30 back in ’18. I’m sure the replies will be, this place will never be finished.

Long after the Magic Kingdom is announced as the 21st town square they will be building. When the 33rd square is built on top of the current launch pad at the Cape, they will still be asking when is the build out. BTW, the golf carts will be able to reach 60 mph by then, allowing you to go from LSL to Lunar Square at Cape Canaveral in the same day.


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[kcrazorbackfan]

Friday I SAT on I75 for 2 hours just to go up north. Traffic is never going to be even close to what pre retirement driving experience was before moving to TV.

Do you really think that all that traffic was a result of the population of The Villages? There is a lot of traffic in all of Florida right now (22+million residents and a lot of northerners vacationing here), so that 2 hour parking lot on 75 more than likely wasn't The Villages/Developers fault.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I travel BV and Morse, practically everyday. I have yet to experience traffic jams. I sure would like to know where the people moved from who think traffic is bad here.

This traffic is a piece of cake compared to what I use to have to navigate in St. Louis. I don't think the complainers have driven Atlanta rush hour either.

[vintageogauge]

This traffic is a piece of cake compared to what I use to have to navigate in St. Louis. I don't think the complainers have driven Atlanta rush hour either.

Atlanta is a definite NO NO NO,Charlotte is not much better,
i was here all winter and never had to wait for two stoplights at 44, 466A, or 466, never had a problem. I stay off of 75 and the Turnpike as much as possible do to construction and accidents.

[asianthree]

Do you really think that all that traffic was a result of the population of The Villages? There is a lot of traffic in all of Florida right now (22+million residents and a lot of northerners vacationing here), so that 2 hour parking lot on 75 more than likely wasn't The Villages/Developers fault.

When I say up north I would never equate Florida in that context. I was on I75 in Michigan going to Traverse City. Pointing out traffic in other areas are 10 times worse than TV
Sorry you were confused on my post, never said I was in Florida, and why you thought I was blaming the developer, for the normal 2 plus hour summer backup that everyone is used to from June to September In Michigan

[vintageogauge]

When I say up north I would never equate Florida in that context. I was on I75 in Michigan going to Traverse City. Pointing out traffic in other areas are 10 times worse than TV
Sorry you were confused on my post, never said I was in Florida, and why you thought I was blaming the developer, for the normal 2 plus hour summer backup that everyone is used to from June to September In Michigan

Why would you even post regarding I75 in Michigan.

[Erika]

:a040:That's a lot of room for dog poop.

:1rotfl:

[jblum315]

I’ll be dead thank god

[2BNTV]

We will all be gone before we see traffic jams like we have experienced in NY, Boston or any other major metro area. IMHO

Traffic right now, during snowbird season, consists of being the 10th car in a roundabout, waiting to get through. :smiley: