Construction Time

[Chatbrat]

Met a retired builder over the weekend--he had built $20million estates in S.Fl and most of the houses in Sunrise. He told me if you really followed all the installation guidelines of the materials manufacturers--it would take 2 years to build a house

Examples--concrete slab should be wet cured for 7 days
stucco should cure for several months before
being painted

[graciegirl]

Met a retired builder over the weekend--he had built $20million estates in S.Fl and most of the houses in Sunrise. He told me if you really followed all the installation guidelines of the materials manufacturers--it would take 2 years to build a house

Examples--concrete slab should be wet cured for 7 days
stucco should cure for several months before
being painted
I think TWO YEARS is a gross overstatement.

[graciegirl]

Met a retired builder over the weekend--he had built $20million estates in S.Fl and most of the houses in Sunrise. He told me if you really followed all the installation guidelines of the materials manufacturers--it would take 2 years to build a house

Examples--concrete slab should be wet cured for 7 days
stucco should cure for several months before
being painted

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[dewilson58]

Met a retired builder over the weekend--he had built $20million estates in S.Fl and most of the houses in Sunrise. He told me if you really followed all the installation guidelines of the materials manufacturers--it would take 2 years to build a house

Examples--concrete slab should be wet cured for 7 days
stucco should cure for several months before
being painted



Now that's funny.
Should be over in the Joke Thread.
I've built millions of SF of space all over the USA.
Industrial, Warehousing, Office and Residential.
I would suggest finding someone else to talk to.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fw102807]

Met a retired builder over the weekend--he had built $20million estates in S.Fl and most of the houses in Sunrise. He told me if you really followed all the installation guidelines of the materials manufacturers--it would take 2 years to build a house

Examples--concrete slab should be wet cured for 7 days
stucco should cure for several months before
being painted

My husband was a builder for many years and in an ideal world this is absolutely true. Unfortunately it rarely happens. Time and money rule.

[vintageogauge]

Different mixes of concrete cure at different rates. There are also different types of stucco.

[graciegirl]

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We have had eleven homes built in our lifetime. We were corporate gypsies.

[dewilson58]

Have a Great Day!!

[graciegirl]

I'll try this again (prior one deleted).

I've built millions of SF of buildings all over the USA.
Constructed Industrial, Warehouse, Office & Residential.

The two year statement is a joke.

(I think I'm within the guidelines)

:ohdear:

I see it. I thought several of mine were deleted too, this morning. I could see my name but I couldn't see the post.

[fw102807]

But I guess it too Noah almost 100 years.

Wasn't deleted something funky going on with the site. It is not refreshing properly.

[graciegirl]

Now that's funny.
Should be over in the Joke Thread.
I've built millions of SF of space all over the USA.
Industrial, Warehousing, Office and Residential.
I would suggest finding someone else to talk to.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I agree. I think a lot of things posted are just to get someone riled. Especially the people who love it here and think well of how the builder builds.

[fw102807]

There is a big difference between a multi level multi room estate and a single level 2000 sq ft house. I am pretty sure a 20 million dollar estate would require this amount of time if it was to be built well. That being said even a 2000 sq ft house being put up in a month is cutting a lot of corners.

[dewilson58]

I see it. I thought several of mine were deleted too, this morning. I could see my name but I couldn't see the post.

I C it now.

I've been bad before.

:shocked:

[graciegirl]

There is a big difference between a multi level multi room estate and a single level 2000 sq ft house. I am pretty sure a 20 million dollar estate would require this amount of time if it was to be built well. That being said even a 2000 sq ft house being put up in a month is cutting a lot of corners.

Our last home here took about two months..little more than two months. We watched it being built day by day. I don't think they rush. I think they are carefully organized and have precise planning, but they do allow for corrections;the builder ordered the backsplash tile taken down in the kitchen, (we didn't see anything wrong with it) and redirected a few other things. What they do well, is have things ordered and ready to go and have teams who just do each type of work. They have a team of foundation builders and a team of rough in carpenters and a team of roofers, and a team of finish carpenters and of course electricians and plumbers. They have the needed material and the team is ready to work on the day scheduled. There are not pauses of days and days like on other homes we had built. I was most amazed to see a team of women caulkers who sealed the baseboards throughout the home. I think they do a good job.


Naturally there are not just one team for each, they employ myriads of experienced workers.

[Chatbrat]

What the person I met said IF, you followed all the guidelines to a T, it would almost be impossible to build a house under 2 years--no --one does

[ColdNoMore]

Not a real surprise, that speed in building and selling...is the primary goal of The Developer.

[pooh]

No developer in this area, in any area of the US is going to take potentially a year or two to build a house. Buyers won’t wait that long and will find other suitable homes/locations. Tract type homes are not inherently bad homes....managed to live in one for 32 years and did not encounter problems related to construction.

[Chatbrat]

As an electrical contractor-all devices and panels, circuit breakers have torque specs--I've never seen anyone use a torque wrench and then check the specs a few days later after the system is energized-but the equip. mfg says to do it

[ColdNoMore]

As an electrical contractor-all devices and panels, circuit breakers have torque specs--I've never seen anyone use a torque wrench and then check the specs a few days later after the system is energized-but the equip. mfg says to do it

Maybe they will soon be building only round houses in TV, so that the process of 'cutting corners'...is totally complete.



:D

[golf2140]

I sure that The Villages will pay attention to this post. They will slow down and let people wait two years. They have doing it wrong for all these years.

[New Englander]

I sure that The Villages will pay attention to this post. They will slow down and let people wait two years. They have doing it wrong for all these years.

:1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Barefoot]

I've been bad before. :shocked:
That's hard to believe. :ohdear:

[asianthree]

When we built our 4th home up north, downsized to 3000sf, we let the poured basement cure for 60 day before dropping the Ibeam on it. It was also March. House was finished in 5 months, but we subcontracted this house ourselves. Took our time to get the guys we wanted to build this house.

[fw102807]

When we bought our house we knew it was going to require work but my husband is a builder. He was amazed that the electrical and plumbing passed any kind of inspection. The panel box itself is upside down, the runs have no slack and the holes for the piping are not nearly lined up. The floors are not level the walls are not square the trim work is not mitered well and when he took the kitchen cabinets off the wall the majority of the screws were screwed into drywall with no reinforcement. They practically fell right off.

[Chatbrat]

Talking about the electrical panel--TV is the only place i've seen where the panel is mounted upside down--the main breaker is on the bottom--

[New Englander]

Talking about the electrical panel--TV is the only place i've seen where the panel is mounted upside down--the main breaker is on the bottom--

And yet we still get electricity in our homes. :coolsmiley:

[ColdNoMore]

And yet we still get electricity in our homes.

Yeah, since 'self-policing' has such a great track record and works just fine, codes/laws/regulations/requirements/Etc. meant to protect us and/or the environment...are way overrated and unneeded. :oops:

[fw102807]

And yet we still get electricity in our homes. :coolsmiley:

Does it work? Yes. Is it right? No. All of these defects except for the poorly hung cabinets are cosmetic and just poor craftsmanship, covered up by lots of caulk and only noticeable when doing remodeling.

[Tom53]

Not that I'm cynical, but is it possible that all of these manufacturers "recommendations" are excessive, and are designed that way knowing that builders cannot live with them and still make money? Could this be a way of absolving themselves of any liability for product defects? Just wondering, not making a statement!

[vintageogauge]

When we bought our house we knew it was going to require work but my husband is a builder. He was amazed that the electrical and plumbing passed any kind of inspection. The panel box itself is upside down, the runs have no slack and the holes for the piping are not nearly lined up. The floors are not level the walls are not square the trim work is not mitered well and when he took the kitchen cabinets off the wall the majority of the screws were screwed into drywall with no reinforcement. They practically fell right off.

Wow, you must have got one of the bad ones. we passed inspection with minimal problems..

[ColdNoMore]

Wow, you must have got one of the bad ones. we passed inspection with minimal problems..

Read the post again.


They DID pass the (supposed) inspection. :oops:

He was amazed that the electrical and plumbing passed any kind of inspection.

[fw102807]

Wow, you must have got one of the bad ones. we passed inspection with minimal problems..

These are items that would not be included in a home inspection when you purchase a house. As I stated they are only visible when you go to remodel and find out nothing lines up properly. They are not structural defects they are just shoddy workmanship in the finish details. That is why they do not have smooth walls and if you look at your baseboard trim I am sure you will find they used a lot of caulking to fill the gaps.

[graciegirl]

Not that I'm cynical, but is it possible that all of these manufacturers "recommendations" are excessive, and are designed that way knowing that builders cannot live with them and still make money? Could this be a way of absolving themselves of any liability for product defects? Just wondering, not making a statement!

By George I think you've got it.

[graciegirl]

These are items that would not be included in a home inspection when you purchase a house. As I stated they are only visible when you go to remodel and find out nothing lines up properly. They are not structural defects they are just shoddy workmanship in the finish details. That is why they do not have smooth walls and if you look at your baseboard trim I am sure you will find they used a lot of caulking to fill the gaps.

I believe the caulking is used to seal and finish the baseboards to make them look nice. :popcorn:

[dewilson58]

Talking about the electrical panel--TV is the only place i've seen where the panel is mounted upside down--the main breaker is on the bottom--

Not "upside down", the main is located the closest to the entry point.

[Chatbrat]

In NJ ,it would not have passed inspection-every residential service that we did had the main on the top---- --also, they use a common piece pf pvc for all the runs--NJ inspectors would call that bundling and all the ampacities of the conductors would have to be derated--we left two blank spaces under the main for future surge protector installation

[dewilson58]

"Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

Jersey code allows service to enter the top or bottom of the box and related main switch. The key is having horizontal switches.

Florida code allows it as well.

Shocking.

:MOJE_whot:

[graciegirl]

When we bought our house we knew it was going to require work but my husband is a builder. He was amazed that the electrical and plumbing passed any kind of inspection. The panel box itself is upside down, the runs have no slack and the holes for the piping are not nearly lined up. The floors are not level the walls are not square the trim work is not mitered well and when he took the kitchen cabinets off the wall the majority of the screws were screwed into drywall with no reinforcement. They practically fell right off.


Our breaker box and electrical box is just fine and so are finishing details.

I just like to keep things straight. There are no true straight lines in nature or even in well built homes. In amazing and expensive homes you will find some things slightly out of square. I am not a builder, a builder's wife, an electrician or a plumber or their spouse, but we G's have had eleven houses built and this one here was the easiest of all. I think the two homes we had here were well built.

[fw102807]

"Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

Jersey code allows service to enter the top or bottom of the box and related main switch. The key is having horizontal switches.

Florida code allows it as well.

Shocking.

:MOJE_whot:

You are absolutely right we are not in Kansas anymore. Where we come from the walls are flat and smooth, they do not use window trim as baseboard molding and they do not need caulk to fill the gaps because there aren't any and our panel box was right side up. It is very different down here but this is where we have chosen to live so we are just fixing the things in our own house to meet our own standards.

[2BNTV]

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1565414]Maybe they will soon be building only round houses in TV, so that the process of 'cutting corners'...is totally complete.

::1rotfl:

Waiting two years for a house to be built in TV is following the Tesla model for building cars. :smiley:

[graciegirl]

You are absolutely right we are not in Kansas anymore. Where we come from the walls are flat and smooth, they do not use window trim as baseboard molding and they do not need caulk to fill the gaps because there aren't any and our panel box was right side up. It is very different down here but this is where we have chosen to live so we are just fixing the things in our own house to meet our own standards.

Do you have pictures of the defects you mention? We owned a home in Hadley before buying the one we live in now. We have visited many homes here in TV as well.