Traffic Circles

[Chi33]

Could someone tell me in layman terms about traffic circles in the villages.

My problem is this... and may be simple for some...

The Resident entrances are always on the right side.

So, if you stay on the right side of the road, and go to the 3rd exit, you still have to yield to left who going to the second exit...

If you stay on the inside (left) and go to the third exit, as a resident you have to cross into the right lane, however you have to hope but the people on your right, and the people entering on your right will yield as you cross into their lane.

So, the right yields to the left, however you have to trust the right to yield for the left to get to the resident entrance, and many are new to circles.

Help.

[Bjeanj]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/how-navigate-roundabouts-155158/?highlight=Roundabout

[John_W]

...So, if you stay on the right side of the road, and go to the 3rd exit, you still have to yield to left who going to the second exit...

If you stay on the inside (left) and go to the third exit, as a resident you have to cross into the right lane, however you have to hope but the people on your right, and the people entering on your right will yield as you cross into their lane.

So, the right yields to the left, however you have to trust the right to yield for the left to get to the resident entrance, and many are new to circles.

Help.

Yes, you have to yield, but that shouldn't have happened since cars that want to enter the traffic circle must yield to cars already in the circle. So when you're in the left (inside) lane in the circle, a driver must wait until you have passed them before they enter. However, we know in the real world driver's will enter right before you, alongside you, or go all the way to the third exit in the outside lane. Therefore, you must be vigilant when driving in a traffic circle.

Just yesterday I came off Bailey Trail and entered the circle on Buena Vista by Lake Miona Rec Center and was in the left (inside) lane since I was going to the third exit, planning to take Buena Vista northbound. A driver waiting at the second exit entered the outside lane alongside me but decided to go to their third exit, when I got to my third exit they were directly in front of me and had stopped in the circle. It would of been a good case of T-Boning if I had not be vigilant. I stopped and simply laid on my horn for about 10 seconds until they moved and the truck behind them almost rear-ended them. Another rule, do not stop in a traffic circle. My favorite encounter was a driver who had stopped in the Turtle Mound traffic circle on Buena Vista to read their map.

[Challenger]

One of the main problems in these scenarios is that those just entering circles are required to yield to both lanes, not just to those already in the right lane. By entering before all traffic is clearly past them they create many dangerous situations for those exiting at the next point. The sign says YIELD. -not Yield to right lane traffic!!!

[VillageIdiots]

Even though the entry gates are marked Guest to the left and Resident to the right, you can still enter in the left (guest) lane using your gate card if you find yourself in a position where you are forced to stay left because of traffic to the right. The main thing to keep in mind is to know the proper ways to navigate the circles, always expect that the other drivers do NOT know the proper way (or they just ignore it), don't panic and react accordingly.

[Marathon Man]

Could someone tell me in layman terms about traffic circles in the villages.

My problem is this... and may be simple for some...

The Resident entrances are always on the right side.

So, if you stay on the right side of the road, and go to the 3rd exit, you still have to yield to left who going to the second exit...

If you stay on the inside (left) and go to the third exit, as a resident you have to cross into the right lane, however you have to hope but the people on your right, and the people entering on your right will yield as you cross into their lane.

So, the right yields to the left, however you have to trust the right to yield for the left to get to the resident entrance, and many are new to circles.

Help.

Go through the guest gate. Eliminates the problem. I do it all the time. It's OK for a resident to use the guest gate.

[Topspinmo]

Go through the guest gate. Eliminates the problem. I do it all the time. It's OK for a resident to use the guest gate.

I agree just go in the guest lane, why bother trying to switch lanes

[Topspinmo]

I have never completed my journey down BV or MB without someone pulling out in front of me or switching lanes in roundabout. You know the swerve left from the right lane swerve back to straighten out the roundabout. That don't bother me it there no traffic in, beside, or around the roundabout , but some just move over and don't even look

[CFrance]

One of the main problems in these scenarios is that those just entering circles are required to yield to both lanes, not just to those already in the right lane. By entering before all traffic is clearly past them they create many dangerous situations for those exiting at the next point. The sign says YIELD. -not Yield to right lane traffic!!!
Exactly. And I think the signs should say Yield to Both Lanes. We need defensive signs as well as defensive driving. Too many people aren't used to roundabouts.

[villagetinker]

I agree just go in the guest lane, why bother trying to switch lanes

Absolutely, and say HI to the gate keepers if there is one.

On an aside, when we first moved here, I completely avoided the roundabouts (if I could) for about 3 years. Then there was an accident on Rolling Acres road, no injuries and around $500 damage to the car. After that incident, we took a look at the roundabouts, I carefully read the instructions, and now we use them all the time. HOWEVER, I drive very defensively, I use turn signals, and I watch the other drivers like a hawk.

[firebiker]

When going left in a roundabout, enter in the left lane. After you go around half way and begin your left turn, you will, in most cases, see two lanes turning left. You have the option of turning into the far left lane and continue to the Visitor's gate, or as you are turning left, get into the far right lane and continue to the Residence gate. You would not be changing illegally. You ALWAYS need to be alert and watch out for the other guy. If everyone would navigate the roundabouts as they would any other intersection, there would be a lot less anxiety.

[Polar Bear]

Yes...don’t hesitate to use the visitor gate at all. Totally legal allows you to avoid an unwanted lane change.

More generally, when in a roundabout, always avoid having a vehicle alongside you on your right. Yes, it can be done, and avoids all conflicts. Everything else will take care of itself.

[JoMar]

Notice there are broken lines at the exits which allow a change of lanes.....con't change where there is a solid line. Nobody pays any attention but they are helpful if used.

[crash]

The thing that causes the most accidents is going around the round about in the outside lane when making a left hand turn. Don't people realize that is like making a left hand turn from the right hand lane.

[erictarleton]

would also help if people used their indicators when coming off the roundabout (we do in England and it helps a lot!)

[tomwed]

Notice there are broken lines at the exits which allow a change of lanes.....con't change where there is a solid line. Nobody pays any attention but they are helpful if used.
I often wondered if you knew nothing about the rules of the road except for solid and broken lines if you couldn't ever go wrong.

[marjie55]

I have crossed to get into my village both ways. If you go fairly slow using your right blinker and watch for the other cars you should be fine. Sometimes you may not have enough time because of passing traffic, and you must use the far right lane to go around to third exit . The more practice, the more confident you will get. Have faith!:)

[crash]

I have crossed to get into my village both ways. If you go fairly slow using your right blinker and watch for the other cars you should be fine. Sometimes you may not have enough time because of passing traffic, and you must use the far right lane to go around to third exit . The more practice, the more confident you will get. Have faith!:)

Bad practice to use the outside lane to go to the 3rd exit and if there is an accident with someone on the inside lane you will be at fault. Look at the signs entering the round about it shows you can go right or straight.

[Challenger]

Am I Mistaken? I know of no left hand turns from any of the circles. As I see it , you enter with a right turn and all exits require right turns all while circling left

[Polar Bear]

...Sometimes you may not have enough time because of passing traffic, and you must use the far right lane to go around to third exit...
Absolutely not!!

You should be in the left lane approaching the roundabout if you wish to make a "left" turn, and you are required to yield to all traffic in the roundabout. So when you properly enter a roundabout, you will have no problem getting to the inside lane and proceeding around to reach your third exit.

[yabbadu]

Accidents............Stupid is as Stupid Does

[dewilson58]

Straddle the line, use both lanes and you can go in any direction you want.

:faint:

[Rga20]

Agree completely with using the visitor lane rather than crossing over someone to get into the resident lane, but the real problem is that all of the procedures described for safe use of the roundabouts only work if everyone is entering from the same spot. If the "how to do it charts" were viewgraphs and you overlaid them, rotating each one 90 degrees, at the end you'd have lines (read that cars) crossing over each other, which is what happens. The only real answer, which would never happen, would be to funnel traffic to a single lane entering the circle and making the circles single lanes. It wouldn't impede traffic all that much and the problem would be largely solved. Just my humble opinion.

[CWGUY]

:1rotfl: I think most of these posts belong in the "Just for Fun" section.:ohdear:

[Barefoot]

Straddle the line, use both lanes and you can go in any direction you want. :evil6:

[CWGUY]

Straddle the line, use both lanes and you can go in any direction you want.

:faint:

:shocked: You could try that..... just don't be surprised if you get passed on the left and on the right at the same time!:icon_wink::rolleyes:

[tomwed]

Unless I'm making a quick right I head for the middle and go round and round until I'm positive no one is on my right. It rarely happens that someone is on my right. It takes me longer to get where I'm going but this seems safest and most defensive to me.

[Polar Bear]

...The only real answer, which would never happen, would be to funnel traffic to a single lane entering the circle and making the circles single lanes. It wouldn't impede traffic all that much and the problem would be largely solved. Just my humble opinion.
You’re right about it never happening. But you’re wrong about the impact if it did. Capacities would be dramatically reduced and conflicts would be dramatically increased. It will never happen because traffic engineers know it would be a disaster.

[DARFAP]

If you stay in the right lane, you can't go to the third exit. First and second only...and signal your exit. It helps everyone.


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[coffeebean]

Go through the guest gate. Eliminates the problem. I do it all the time. It's OK for a resident to use the guest gate.

Guests sometimes have questions when it is a manned gate. I prefer not to wait behind someone who is holding up traffic by speaking with the gate attendant.

[capecoralbill]

https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/innovative/roundabouts/fhwasa10006/

Table 2: Common Inscribed Circle Diameter Ranges
Multilane Roundabout (2 lanes) WB-50 (WB-15) 150 to 220 ft (46 to 67 m)
Multilane Roundabout (2 lanes) WB-67 (WB-20) 165 to 220 ft (50 to 67 m):
I would guess that the roundabout at Buena Vista and El Camino Real to be about 120 feet in diameter, not sure. but no where near the 220 ft in the chart.
I think our roundabouts are too small.

[ColdNoMore]

https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/innovative/roundabouts/fhwasa10006/

Table 2: Common Inscribed Circle Diameter Ranges
Multilane Roundabout (2 lanes) WB-50 (WB-15) 150 to 220 ft (46 to 67 m)
Multilane Roundabout (2 lanes) WB-67 (WB-20) 165 to 220 ft (50 to 67 m):
I would guess that the roundabout at Buena Vista and El Camino Real to be about 120 feet in diameter, not sure. but no where near the 220 ft in the chart.
I think our roundabouts are too small.

:agree:

Then again, to make them larger would have increased the footprint and reduced how many houses they could have crammed together...and still provide MMP's (in a lot of areas).

In addition, a contributing problem is a lack of consistency... in signage and striping.

Enter Here (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/real-problem-our-roundabouts-262166/)

[fastboat]

Keep one eye in your mirror, one eye on the road in front of you and one eye in your right or left side mirrors depending on what lane you're in. This will protect you from all the idiots that didn't look at those big green signs before they entered the roundabout or failed to yield at all. Then.:pray::pray::pray:

[Jmh266]

Think of a roundabout as a regular highway with deep curves. You don’t turn right from a left hand lane or left from the right lane! If you are in the right lane your choices are to go straight or turn at the first right. From the left lane you can also go straight or go left. In many cases that will mean you enter your village on the guest side.

[rlcooper70]

Quick Answer = Avoid being exactly next to a car in the circle - always be in back of or in front of the adjacent car. Watch the front wheels of the adjacent car to see where they are going to turn. And always be willing to go around the circle a second time to avoid collisions. Traffic is generally light in the Villages. Be thankful you have made a good choice to live here.

[Dzurinko]

Yes, you’re correct. Stay in the left lane. The folks entering the round-about on your right must yield. As you exit the round-about, move into the right lane to get to the resident gate. That’s why there is a dotted line. You can cross it. And if your worried about traffic entering the round-about, then you must worry about people running red lights when you have a green. They’re required to yield, have faith or you’ll worry yourself to death.

[noslices1]

Just pay attention to the signs that are about 100 feet before the roundabout. If you are in the right-hand lane, you may go straight or turn right. If you are in the left-hand lane, you may go straight, turn left, or make a U-turn. Follow the signs.

[Chatbrat]

If its not safe, go around the circle one more time till, there's a safe opening--nothing wrong with staying in the left lane for the 3rd exit and going to the residents gate, less wear and tear on my window motor

[OhioBuckeye]

Me personally when I want to turn right to get off on the 3rd exit, I stay in the inside lane until I get to the 3rd exit then I try to make real sure there's nobody right next to me, because you don't know if they're going straight or turning with you. A thumb of rule for me is I never run along side of any other vehicle. If do & I have to I'll go all the way around again! Everybodies got their own idea how the circles work, just be real careful & don't trust anybody.

[gwen walker]

Think of it as a normal intersection. You never turn left from right lane and never turn right from left lane.
Left lane is only straight or left
Right lane is only straight or right.
When you are in the circle these rules still apply

[mikemalloy]

It was a waste of money putting up all those green signs before the circles....so many people don't obey them. Nearly every time I travel east on Stillwater and try use the third exit at Morris there is some driver entering the circle in the right lane and turning left. They probably do this because the bypass at Lake Sumter Landing is a short way up. Among other things it makes it more difficult for those who turned properly getting into the right lane to use the bypass. (as an aside, those using Stillwater going west entering Buena Vista can legally turn left because there is no exit on the opposite side of the circle and therefore cars in entering the circle in the left lane cannont travel through crossing the right lane. The green signs show that left turns can be made from the right lane.)

[robinsdw2]

Using signals is the best key when navigating the circles, it gives the other driver the cue as to which way you are going. I don't understand the non-use of turn signals in The Villages - don't make someone have to read your mind, tell them where you are going. PS...you probably don't want to read someone's mind anyway you would probably only get the high sign.

[LINDAZG]

Yes, you have to yield, but that shouldn't have happened since cars that want to enter the traffic circle must yield to cars already in the circle. So when you're in the left (inside) lane in the circle, a driver must wait until you have passed them before they enter. However, we know in the real world driver's will enter right before you, alongside you, or go all the way to the third exit in the outside lane. Therefore, you must be vigilant when driving in a traffic circle.

Just yesterday I came off Bailey Trail and entered the circle on Buena Vista by Lake Miona Rec Center and was in the left (inside) lane since I was going to the third exit, planning to take Buena Vista northbound. A driver waiting at the second exit entered the outside lane alongside me but decided to go to their third exit, when I got to my third exit they were directly in front of me and had stopped in the circle. It would of been a good case of T-Boning if I had not be vigilant. I stopped and simply laid on my horn for about 10 seconds until they moved and the truck behind them almost rear-ended them. Another rule, do not stop in a traffic circle. My favorite encounter was a driver who had stopped in the Turtle Mound traffic circle on Buena Vista to read their map.
My anxiety kicks in when I think about navigating through the traffic circles when I make my move into The Villages in a few months. Perhaps I can get a sticker for my vehicle that says “Have mercy - I’m new to this.”

[mgkw1]

The person in the circle has the right of way. You yield before entering, stopping if a car is coming, merge when safe to do so

[normanne]

GET RID OF LANES IN THE CIRCLE!!
Traffic should merge and approach the circle in single file.
Yield to traffic already in and coming round from the left.
Go round in single file to your required exit. Always use a right turn signal PRIOR to leaving the circle.
Would this make things easier and safer

[Win1894]

would also help if people used their indicators when coming off the roundabout (we do in England and it helps a lot!)

Expecting folks to use their turn signals correctly in a round-about is ridiculously wishful. Most of TV residents likely couldn't even obtain a drivers license in England or Germany. I learned very quickly to never trust a turn signal in TV - to much bait and switch. Round-abouts are easy - drive defensively and just expect the other guy to do the wrong thing. If they do it correctly, all the better. Also, if you can't safely make the right turn from the inside lane cos you are blocked, go around the circle again. No harm done.

[pbkmaine]

I enter every traffic circle with the expectation that someone is going to try to kill me. This strategy works well here.

[tibbetts]

We could do it like Paris France, drivers on the right have the right-a-way. Spent over a year there and it seemed to work, with 4 or 5 lanes of traffic in a circle, sometimes I went around 2 or 3 times before I could exit.

[lindaelane]

Well...I learned to drive roundabouts in England but the rules are different there and the roundabouts are bigger (there are mini-roundabouts but I won't go into that.) In England, one is required to change lanes in a roundabout just before exiting, if one is not already in the outer lane.

Here, true confession, I take the right lane for first or second exit. For third exit I take the left lane. So far, that is following the official rules as I know them. I never heard of an official "can't change lanes in a roundabout" rule. In fact there are dotted lines that seem to say you can.

So...what I do for a left turn (third exit turn) is change lanes immediately after the second exit, making sure no one is about to pull into the roundabout in front of me. Then I am in the outer lane and ready to exit at the third exit.

If someone is about to pull in, I can't make the change just after the second exit. So I have to continue in the inner lane. I then swivel my head before exiting to make sure no one is behind me on the right, then cross from the inner lane to make my turn.

I confess I sometimes use the passenger door mirror instead of a head swivel, to see closely behind me on the right, but that is probably not the best approach. And of course the rear-view won't tell you if someone is closely behind you on the right.

[duhbear]

Check the signs going into the circles! If you want to go to the 1st or 2nd exit (right turn or straight) use the right lane. If you want to go to the 2nd exit or the 3rd exit use the left lane. And always be aware of what is around you and be prepared to yield to the multitude that don't follow the rules.

[72lions]

You should never be in the outside lane if exiting at the third exit. The right lane is for right turns and second exit (straight) only.

[ScottRAB]

Yes, you’re correct. Stay in the left lane. The folks entering the round-about on your right must yield. As you exit the round-about, move into the right lane to get to the resident gate. That’s why there is a dotted line. You can cross it. And if your worried about traffic entering the round-about, then you must worry about people running red lights when you have a green. They’re required to yield, have faith or you’ll worry yourself to death.

You're describing how to drive a rotary, not a modern roundabout.
At a multi-lane modern roundabout, like any other multi-lane intersection, motorists should watch for the lane use signs and road markings that tell you which lane to be in based on where you want to go.
Like other complex intersections, sometimes only the left lane can turn left, sometimes it can turn left and go through, and sometimes it can go left, through or right.
With multi-lane roundabouts entering drivers should yield to all lanes approaching them and not change lanes inside the roundabout. This is because where one can exit depends on the lane use controls where you entered. Sometimes that inside lane can exit and sometimes that outside lane can go around.

[Marathon Man]

Yes, you’re correct. Stay in the left lane. The folks entering the round-about on your right must yield. As you exit the round-about, move into the right lane to get to the resident gate. That’s why there is a dotted line. You can cross it. And if your worried about traffic entering the round-about, then you must worry about people running red lights when you have a green. They’re required to yield, have faith or you’ll worry yourself to death.

If you look at the instructional pamphlet, it shows that if you are in the inner lane, you should exit into the left hand exit lane. You do not cross over.

Think of it this way: If you were going straight through the roundabout and entered it from the left lane, would you cross over while in the roundabout to exit into the right lane? Or, would you exit into the left hand lane and continue on as you did prior to the roundabout?

[Barefoot]

GET RID OF LANES IN THE CIRCLE!!
Traffic should merge and approach the circle in single file.
Yield to traffic already in and coming round from the left.
Go round in single file to your required exit. Always use a right turn signal PRIOR to leaving the circle.
Would this make things easier and saferThat has been suggested a few times on TOTV; apparently it would slow down traffic to an unacceptable level. :popcorn:

[Chi33]

okay... for the last couple days I have done the inside (left lane) going to the third exit. And I can tell you it just isn't safe. You have to trust someone on the right to not turn into you. You have to trust your blind side. Now if there were barriers (those tall white sticks to divide) then maybe. How can we trust someone on our right to do the correct thing.

So, I am going to the right side, and I can see if someone on the second exit is coming, and I will stop. This needs to be fixed.

[bob47]

It seems to me that if there was a physical barrier that forced cars entering in the right hand lane to take the first exit, there would never be a car on the right of those proceeding to the 2nd. or 3rd. or even 4th. exit.

But ours weren't designed that way and it will never happen. There are some small roundabouts on Hilton Head Island that are designed this way. Low speed, low traffic situations.

[Challenger]

If every car in the right lane was required to make the next right turn, there would be no conflicts-----------No?

[Polar Bear]

okay... for the last couple days I have done the inside (left lane) going to the third exit. And I can tell you it just isn't safe. You have to trust someone on the right to not turn into you...
Easy fix that’s been cited many times...

Don’t drive the roundabouts with a vehicle on your right!!

Yes, it can be done. In fact, if you obey all the other roundabout rules, you will do it practically without trying.

[crash]

Easy fix that’s been cited many times...

Don’t drive the roundabouts with a vehicle on your right!!

Yes, it can be done. In fact, if you obey all the other roundabout rules, you will do it practically without trying.

Absolutely correct because you can't trust that the person on the right would know they shouldn't cross over. If you do like the previous poster any accident will be your fault for failure to yield.

[tomwed]

Absolutely correct because you can't trust that the person on the right would know they shouldn't cross over. If you do like the previous poster any accident will be your fault for failure to yield.good advice, Crash.

[THUNDERCHIEF]

Great idea from allentown

[Love2Swim]

okay... for the last couple days I have done the inside (left lane) going to the third exit. And I can tell you it just isn't safe. You have to trust someone on the right to not turn into you. You have to trust your blind side. Now if there were barriers (those tall white sticks to divide) then maybe. How can we trust someone on our right to do the correct thing.

So, I am going to the right side, and I can see if someone on the second exit is coming, and I will stop. This needs to be fixed.

I'm sorry, but people like you who knowingly disobey the roundabout rules should be given a ticket. If you are going 3/4 of the way around the roundabout in the outside lane, you will run into the people who are in the left (inner) lane going straight. And you will be at fault! And if you stop in the roundabout, you will be the cause of a rear end collision. You know what the rules are - follow them.

[John_W]

...So, I am going to the right side, and I can see if someone on the second exit is coming, and I will stop. This needs to be fixed.

I've been driving here 7 years and just about the only time I have a near miss in the traffic circle is with a driver in the outside lane going beyond the second exit. If you're driving in the outside lane please get off at the first or second exit, it's works everytime. Left lane is for the third exit and the second exit.

When I go north on Buena Vista say from Brownwood to 466, I often drive the left lane the whole way getting off at the second exit because I don't drive slow, and if there's a problem, it's usually the outside lane driver wanting to go to the third exit. If I hit someone in that outside lane, it's going to be a T-Bone right into the driver's door, is that what you want?

[Love2Swim]

I've been driving here 7 years and just about the only time I have a near miss in the traffic circle is with a driver in the outside lane going beyond the second exit. If you're driving in the outside lane please get off at the first or second exit, it's works everytime. Left lane is for the third exit and the second exit.

When I go north on Buena Vista say from Brownwood to 466, I often drive the left lane the whole way getting off at the second exit because I don't drive slow, and if there's a problem, it's usually the outside lane driver wanting to go to the third exit. If I hit someone in that outside lane, it's going to be a T-Bone right into the driver's door, is that what you want?

:bigbow:

[simpkinp]

I truly believe the only safe roundabout on the small roads is a single lane. There are far too many new and inexperienced people here. This is not a huge city that requires multiple lanes. You wait a little bit, but if you are the only one in the circle you are safer from those who do not know the rules.

[Barefoot]

I truly believe the only safe roundabout on the small roads is a single lane. There are far too many new and inexperienced people here. This is not a huge city that requires multiple lanes. You wait a little bit, but if you are the only one in the circle you are safer from those who do not know the rules.
I agree.

[Polar Bear]

I truly believe the only safe roundabout on the small roads is a single lane. There are far too many new and inexperienced people here. This is not a huge city that requires multiple lanes. You wait a little bit, but if you are the only one in the circle you are safer from those who do not know the rules.
You have no idea what you're asking for. Single lane roundabouts require single lane approaches. There is far too much traffic in TV for that to be practical.

[VApeople]

So, I am going to the right side, and I can see if someone on the second exit is coming, and I will stop.

It is fine with me if you do that.

Unlike some of you, I do not drive fast in a roundabout and I expect people to do weird things, like staying in the right lane when they are going 3/4 of the way around a roundabout.

[coffeebean]

I've been driving these RABs for what is equivalent of close to five full time years. I have never allowed another car to be along side of me in a RAB. That is easy to do by varying your speed. I slow down when someone comes up beside me. I feel protected this way because you just never know where someone is going to go in a RAB.

I abide by the rules and stay in the outside lane if I'm going to leave the RAB at my first or second exit (right turn or going straight ahead). I approach the RAB in the left lane if I plan to leave the RAB at my second (going straight ahead) or third exit (left turn).

Question.....which lane should one be in if they are going all the way around for a U turn? (Have only had to do that once). I guess one should be in the inside lane of the RAB, right?

[charmed59]

Question.....which lane should one be in if they are going all the way around for a U turn? (Have only had to do that once). I guess one should be in the inside lane of the RAB, right?

Yep, inside lane. I do that all the time when headed East on Stillwater and want to go to Winn-Dixie.

That traffic circle at Stillwater and Morse is the one I often see folks going from East on Stillwater to North on Morse in the outside lane. I assume it’s because they want to take the bypass at Old Mill, and aren’t confident they can change lanes fast enough. I suspect folks who live in Caroline and use that gate know to only go straight on Stillwater from the outside lane, or the scofflaws will hit them.

[Love2Swim]

I've been driving these RABs for what is equivalent of close to five full time years. I have never allowed another car to be along side of me in a RAB. That is easy to do by varying your speed. I slow down when someone comes up beside me. I feel protected this way because you just never know where someone is going to go in a RAB.

I abide by the rules and stay in the outside lane if I'm going to leave the RAB at my first or second exit (right turn or going straight ahead). I approach the RAB in the left lane if I plan to leave the RAB at my second (going straight ahead) or third exit (left turn).

Question.....which lane should one be in if they are going all the way around for a U turn? (Have only had to do that once). I guess one should be in the inside lane of the RAB, right?

Good post. The roundabouts work if everyone obeys the rules of the road. If people make up their own rules, say go 3/4 around in the outside lane, they muck it up and cause accidents for the rest of us.

[ScottRAB]

How to drive a modern roundabout:
Cheyenne, WY: Roundabout Safety - Cheyenne Safe Streets (http://safestreetscheyenne.com/roundabout-safety/)
Dublin, OH: Drive Like a Dubliner: Navigate the New Roundabout Safely on Vimeo (https://vimeo.com/175859863)
Idaho, ACHD, dog bone roundabout 36th, Hill, Catalpa Roundabout - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=fEJf6rh_h8s)
Indianapolis DPW animation: Driving tips for roundabouts - YouTube (http://tinyurl.com/IndyDPWrabVideo)
Montpelier, VA videos Montpelier VT Roundabouts - YouTube (http://tinyurl.com/montpelVArab)
Arizona: https://youtu.be/OizPs_uiRZU
Florida DOT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFVCDLdmI3A
Hawai’i video rules http://youtu.be/wEvUPUSLCwc?t=3m1s
Kentucky video: http://tinyurl.com/KYrabVideo
Maryland video: http://tinyurl.com/MDrab
Michigan animation: http://tinyurl.com/MIrabVideo
Minnesota video: http://tinyurl.com/MNmultiRAB
Missouri video: http://tinyurl.com/MOrabVideo
New Hampshire: https://www.nh.gov/dot/media/video/drive-a-roundabout.htm
New York: https://www.dot.ny.gov/main/roundabouts/guide-users
Ohio video: http://tinyurl.com/ohioDOTrab
Oregon: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/Engineering/Pages/Roundabouts.aspx
Pennsylvania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNXRlWgAVOg
Vermont: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo8GnJRZoWE
Virginia: http://www.virginiadot.org/info/faq-roundabouts.asp
Washington video: http://tinyurl.com/WArabVideo
Wisconsin: http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/safety/safety-eng/roundabouts/works.aspx

https://www.howstuffworks.com/videos/5-facts-roundabouts-video.htm

[ctreick]

where can i find the instructions for Roundabouts?

[CWGUY]

where can i find the instructions for Roundabouts?

https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

[Bogie Shooter]

where can i find the instructions for Roundabouts?

Look at post #2, 31,74.

[Two Bills]

FFS! It's a junction!
Either a T junction, or a crossroad
Use the same proceedure you would use on a 1, 2, lane highway.
Give way to left.
Right lane = right or straight on
Left lane = straight on, or turn left.
Signal on exit.
So simple!!!!!

[Rebel Pirate]

1. I have noticed (this is very understandable if you've ever pulled a trailer) that contractors who pull long trailers will use the right hand lane to go 270 degrees around a circle (equivalent of making an intersection left turn) because their truck/trailer combo is very long. If they were to try the left hand (inside) lane and get crowded by people in the right (outside) line (which happens frequently) - they run the risk of dragging their trailer up, over the inside curb. I was surprised the first time one of those rigs did a 270 degree turn and cut in front of me…but I’m prepared now and have not been subjected to that surprise again. I am always EXTRA cautious around any contractor pulling a trailer in a roundabout.

2. I recently (for the first time) encountered a large U-Haul box truck (newbie alert!) already established in the roundabout who came to a full-stop to let traffic enter the circle: DANGER WILL ROBINSON! I was second in line in the left hand (southbound) lane on Buena Vista…lots of traffic…the first car in the left hand lane did not take the bait while only the lead car in the right hand lane took the offer from the U-Haul and pulled out in front of him. The rest of the right-hand-lane traffic remained stopped to encourage the U-Haul to proceed. So, it was a crowded road while we drove southbound on BV. In the next circle, I was prepared (me in the inside/left lane) and taking the second exit (continuing southbound) when the U-Haul did the old 270 degree turn from the right lane. I was unsurprised and prepared and stopped without ever creating a conflict. But then as I started up to continue southbound (after checking my rear view) I was surprised by a sedan in the right hand lane that sped by in front of me at about 30 mph through the circle. He must have entered from the west side (out of the setting sun), headed east, and was stopping for no one! Disaster narrowly averted.

3. In my early career (in a galaxy far, far away) I was a navigator both on ships and in airplanes. This was before the advent of GPS that means today’s navigators do little more turn on the electronics and program waypoints. The cardinal rule of thumb for navigators of that era was to NEVER rely on JUST ONE navigation indicator. No matter how rudimentary, one ALWAYS has more than one means of fixing a position, plotting a course/speed, etc. The corollary for roundabouts is that the signs in advance of entry to a roundabout (showing where each lane may proceed to exit) is an important - BUT NOT THE ONLY - indication. The lane markings are critical. If a vehicle crosses a dotted line, it is making a lane change. Even if the vehicle in the next lane “isn’t supposed to be - or expected to be - there”, the vehicle making the lane change has the burden to yield to traffic already established in that lane. Relying solely on the pre-roundabout signs and ignoring dotted-line lane markings is a good way to cause a collision and to receive the ticket for causing said collision.

4. And finally, for all the negative talk about the roundabouts…how many fatal collisions do we have in roundabouts? How many high-speed, fatal collisions do we have at fewer major intersections that exist within the same campus footprint?

[refeik]

One of the main problems in these scenarios is that those just entering circles are required to yield to both lanes, not just to those already in the right lane. By entering before all traffic is clearly past them they create many dangerous situations for those exiting at the next point. The sign says YIELD. -not Yield to right lane traffic!!!

One of the major problems in roundabouts is the fact that few drivers signal when they exit. Drivers wanting to enter the roundabout have no clue when a vehicle is going to exit or continue straight ahead.

[Chi-Town]

One of the major problems in roundabouts is the fact that few drivers signal when they exit. Drivers wanting to enter the roundabout have no clue when a vehicle is going to exit or continue straight ahead.

Some areas in other parts require signaling. Should apply here also.

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[Polar Bear]

One of the major problems in roundabouts is the fact that few drivers signal when they exit...
To be honest, if you obey a couple of basic rules, whether or not drivers in the roundabout signal an exit shouldn’t make much difference...

Approaching drivers must yield to all vehicles in the roundabout, and nobody should ever drive next to another vehicle when in the roundabout. Do those two things and you’re safe from vehicles in the roundabout whether they signal their exit or not.

[MorTech]

The only time you signal within the traffic circle is to other people already in the traffic circle when you change lanes...You dont signal when exiting a traffic circle. Yield to ALL traffic already in the circle..simple as that. Besides...Only fools trust turn signals in a retirement community :)

[Larina]

just read the signs before each roundabout, as there are many that are marked differently. Use common sense and NEVER enter a roundabout directly BESIDE another car...you never know which way they are going.

[DARFAP]

Who says you don't signal when you exit? Look up roundabout rules on any website and they all say to signal your exit. I was taught this 45 years ago in driver's ed. People need to know when you're exiting.

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[simpkinp]

Who says you don't signal when you exit? Look up roundabout rules on any website and they all say to signal your exit. I was taught this 45 years ago in driver's ed. People need to know when you're exiting.

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I agree. The roundabout specifically mentions signaling as you leave the circle as you are actually making a right turn.

[Two Bills]

Never seen so much wrong info from posters on this site regarding such a simple subject as navigating a junction.

Here is the simple CORRECT way to navigate a circular junction

1 Get in correct lane prior to getting to junction.
R/H lane is turn right, or straight on.
L/H lane is straight on, or turn left.

2. Prepare to give way or stop to any traffic in the junction to your left.

3. When clear to your left, enter junction, and navigate to your required exit. SIGNAL when EXITING junction.

You do not change lanes, or give way when in the circle junction. That is the whole idea of them. A continous flow.
If you have to change lane or give way, you or the other driver are in the wrong lane. See point 1.

Having said all that, my final point is be on your guard at all times, as 75% othe TV drivers haven't a clue!

[MorTech]

You don't use your signal when exiting the circle because you are going straight ahead...look at the lane markings. There are no turns in a traffic circle. You don't signal to people yielding to the circle.

[Chatbrat]

When I see a person using signals in a circle, it tells me they're a newbie and really are not comfortable making a turn in a circle, I give them a wide birth and I do the same when I see really "old" people who can't maintain their lane while turning

[Two Bills]

You don't use your signal when exiting the circle because you are going straight ahead...look at the lane markings. There are no turns in a traffic circle. You don't signal to people yielding to the circle.

Not going to argue with you, but you are wrong.
You signal at EXIT.

[Two Bills]

When I see a person using signals in a circle, it tells me they're a newbie and really are not comfortable making a turn in a circle, I give them a wide birth and I do the same when I see really "old" people who can't maintain their lane while turning

...and when I see a person NOT signaling on EXIT, I know they don't know the correct way to navigate a roundabout!

[bob47]

You don't use your signal when exiting the circle because you are going straight ahead...look at the lane markings. There are no turns in a traffic circle. You don't signal to people yielding to the circle.

Try not turning your steering wheel to the right and see if you ever exit the traffic circle.

The law says signal when you exit. At least do it as a courtesy to those waiting to enter and wondering what you plan to do. On the small diameter circles that are here, if you wait to actually see the car exit, it's probably too late to enter before the next one arrives.

[Two Bills]

[QUOTE=MorTech;1588694]The only time you signal within the traffic circle is to other people already in the traffic circle when you change lanes...You dont signal when exiting a traffic circle. Yield to ALL traffic already in the circle..simple as that. Besides...Only fools trust turn signals in a retirement community :)[/


You are the person person no one wants to meet on a traffic circle.
Your whole 'Advice' regarding traffic circles is totaly wrong, and dangerous!

[Arlington2]

When I see a car signaling an exit I ignore it because I know 50% of the time that blinker is stuck on turn and meaningless

[JoMar]

When I see a person using signals in a circle, it tells me they're a newbie and really are not comfortable making a turn in a circle, I give them a wide birth and I do the same when I see really "old" people who can't maintain their lane while turning

Really? Another post that goes against state guidance. I thought you were one of those that supported following rules.

[JoMar]

You don't use your signal when exiting the circle because you are going straight ahead...look at the lane markings. There are no turns in a traffic circle. You don't signal to people yielding to the circle.

Soooo wrong.

[Bogie Shooter]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Ooper]

If everybody negotiated a traffic circle correctly and in their correct lane, there would be no reason to use signals. I've so many people leave their signals on throughout the circle, some with right blinkers on and some with left blinkers on, which is totally confusing and unreliable. People drive around the circle and exit with their left blinker on. Really? Others drive past exits with their right blinker on and don't get off. Tell me how this is safe and trustworthy. Trusting signals in a traffic circle is not a smart thing to do. Just learn how to negotiate the circles correctly.

[MorTech]

A "turn", by definition here, is a lane change. Just look at the traffic circle road markings. You use signals only when changing lanes in the circle. Whatever you do, don't be right beside another car within the circle! It is amazing to me just how many people fail to stay totally in their lane and not cross the white lines...Range of motion and pain in the arms and shoulders with older people might have something to do with it.

[Challenger]

The only time you signal within the traffic circle is to other people already in the traffic circle when you change lanes...You dont signal when exiting a traffic circle. Yield to ALL traffic already in the circle..simple as that. Besides...Only fools trust turn signals in a retirement community :)

:super:On what instructions is this advise based?

IMHO
Turn signals should be used, if possible, to signal any change of direction , unless , such use would further confuse others.

[pbkmaine]

https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

“Indicate your exit using your right-turn signal.”

[Two Bills]

A "turn", by definition here, is a lane change. Just look at the traffic circle road markings. You use signals only when changing lanes in the circle. Whatever you do, don't be right beside another car within the circle! It is amazing to me just how many people fail to stay totally in their lane and not cross the white lines...Range of motion and pain in the arms and shoulders with older people might have something to do with it.

You really should stop posting any more of your totaly wrong opinions, because that is all they are.

You do NOT change lanes in a traffic circle.
You get in the correct lane BEFORE entering the circle.
You SIGNAL on EXIT.

Nothing more, and nothing less!

[Lindaketchup]

You really should stop posting any more of your totaly wrong opinions, because that is all they are.

You do NOT change lanes in a traffic circle.
You get in the correct lane BEFORE entering the circle.
You SIGNAL on EXIT.

Nothing more, and nothing less!

:a040::a040::a040::a040::a040:
:bigbow:

[ColdNoMore]

The bottom line is, a driver can be following the 'suggestions' of how to navigate roundabouts (particularly the two lane RA's)...and still end up in a collision.

Anytime you have a situation where the inside lane of the circle can legally make a right exit and turn across the outside lane, where the driver can legally continue past that exit...the potential for conflict exists.

The good news of course, is that accidents are typically minor and safer due to less likelihood of getting 'T-Boned'...as in a typical intersection.

Like so many others have stated, the best advice is to;

1. Ensure that no one is next to you in the RA.
2. Signal an exit, but never depend on someone else's turn signals to indicate what they're going to do.


Navigating The Villages Roundabouts | Inside The Bubble (https://www.insidethebubble.co/navigating-villages-roundabouts/)

If you intend to travel through the roundabout and continue straight ahead, it can be appropriate to use either lane to enter and travel through the roundabout. The only concern in this case is that you should make sure you stay in the same lane throughout and also be sure to use your turn signal when you are ready to exit. If you are exiting from the inside lane, be careful that there isn’t a vehicle in the outside lane that intends to keep circling. Not everyone is aware of this guideline, so be careful in these situations.

Unless someone pulled out in front of a vehicle already in the circle, I would bet that there are few (if any) citations written for sideswipes by two vehicles already in the roundabout.

That being because of the ambiguity and conflicting actions that are 'allowed' while navigating roundabouts.

And of course the biggest problem is that the two lane roundabouts here are a lot smaller than they should be, but to have them made larger would have resulted in a bigger footprint...and thereby giving the developer less land to build & sell houses.

Can't be having that. :ohdear:

[Two Bills]

Cold no more.
Anytime you have a situation where the inside lane of the circle can legally make a right exit and turn across the outside lane, where the driver can legally continue past that exit...the potential for conflict exists.

In that circumstance, the driver in the outside lane is in the wrong lane.
There is no ambiguty in the correct way to navigate a traffic circle. No one should have to stop or give way, exept in am emergency.
Providing you enter the circle in the correct lane.

[ColdNoMore]

Cold no more.
Anytime you have a situation where the inside lane of the circle can legally make a right exit and turn across the outside lane, where the driver can legally continue past that exit...the potential for conflict exists.

In that circumstance, the driver in the outside lane is in the wrong lane.
There is no ambiguty in the correct way to navigate a traffic circle. No one should have to stop or give way, exept in am emergency.
Providing you enter the circle in the correct lane.

You are incorrect.

Outside lane could be making second exit and inside lane making what amounts to a 'U-Turn'...by going back the way it came

Same 'legal conflict' exists.

LOTS of "ambiguity."

[Two Bills]

You are incorrect.

Outside lane could be making second exit and inside lane making what amounts to a 'U-Turn'...by going back the way it came

Same 'legal conflict' exists.

LOTS of "ambiguity."


Then the car in the outside lane should not have entered the circle until the inside car had passed.
You should not have to give way or stop when IN the circle.

No ambiguity, only bad driving!

[Bogie Shooter]

How may accidents in roundabouts in the last year, last 5 years, last 10 years??? I'm guessing less than all the intersections on Morse Blvd & Buena Vista Blvd combined.
Much adieu about nothing!

[MorTech]

On most TV traffic circles, you have 4 opportunities to change lanes within the circles...Do you even understand what a broken white line signifies? It makes more sense to signal when entering the circle since you are lane changing (have a broken white line in front of you and a yield sign). By law, you only have to signal lane changes...When you exit the circle, you are not lane changing...Just look at the road markings!

It's like you forgot how to read road markings.

[MSchad]

https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf
It boldly states .... DO NOT CHANGE LANES
Also... when you have passed the last exit before the one you want, use your right turn signal and continue to use through your exit.

[photo1902]

How may accidents in roundabouts in the last year, last 5 years, last 10 years??? I'm guessing less than all the intersections on Morse Blvd & Buena Vista Blvd combined.
Much adieu about nothing!

:bigbow:

[Arlington2]

https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf
It boldly states .... DO NOT CHANGE LANES
Also... when you have passed the last exit before the one you want, use your right turn signal and continue to use through your exit.
It's too bad the actual circle markings don't match the district instructions. It adds to the ambiguity and make it dangerous when multiple folks are trying to follow multiple and conflicting suggestions on best way to deal with circles. And countless newcomers are completely baffled by the circles in spite of the admonishment to read the sign. Drive carefully folks - it's dangerous out there.

[photo1902]

On a slightly different topic, is it still ok for me to drive my golf cart from Brownwood to Fenney? I get strange looks from other drivers on 468.

[Bogie Shooter]

On a slightly different topic, is it still ok for me to drive my golf cart from Brownwood to Fenney? I get strange looks from other drivers on 468.

This is even more believable than some of the above posts.:coolsmiley:

[ColdNoMore]

It's too bad the actual circle markings don't match the district instructions. It adds to the ambiguity and make it dangerous when multiple folks are trying to follow multiple and conflicting suggestions on best way to deal with circles. And countless newcomers are completely baffled by the circles in spite of the admonishment to read the sign. Drive carefully folks - it's dangerous out there.

And then there's...


Ambiguity (poke here) (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/real-problem-our-roundabouts-262166/)



:ho:

[Two Bills]

On most TV traffic circles, you have 4 opportunities to change lanes within the circles...Do you even understand what a broken white line signifies? It makes more sense to signal when entering the circle since you are lane changing (have a broken white line in front of you and a yield sign). By law, you only have to signal lane changes...When you exit the circle, you are not lane changing...Just look at the road markings!

It's like you forgot how to read road markings.


My last post on the subject.

You sir/madam are a danger to all road users, either in your car, or posting on this board!

[pooh]

Here in The Villages, you do not change lanes in roundabouts. https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

[MorTech]

How do you exit the circle at 3/4? Do you have a flying car?

[Bogie Shooter]

Back to cart driving on 468".........

[Topspinmo]

How do you exit the circle at 3/4? Do you have a flying car?

Ok,I’ll bit, you stay in the outside or inside lane and move to the exit in that lane. The right lane has to yield if going straight or beside car in left lane, which shouldn’t be in that spot if they entered the roundabout properly by yielding to traffic in the roundabout cause the guy in left lane going to second or third exit. So, If the right lane entered with the left lane car he has to exit at the first or second exit therefore being in the right lane to exit. Clean as mud right. O I failed to mention USE YOU'RE blinker light so the cars trying to enter know when you are exiting. This allow the traffic to flow and not STOP cause the don’t know the dummy going that don’t us blinker light:popcorn:

[Topspinmo]

And then there's...


Ambiguity (poke here) (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/real-problem-our-roundabouts-262166/)



:ho:

It’s sign show a roundabout ahead, not for explicit direction flow which the other sign shows. IMO they need to just put up the directional flow sign and toss the roundabout coming soon sign.

[MorTech]

The point is...The inside lane has to cross the outside lane in order to exit.

Note to retirement community developers - Don't ever build 2-lane traffic circles.

[photo1902]

Much ado about nothing.

[Polar Bear]

...Note to retirement community developers - Don't ever build 2-lane traffic circles.
Not to all developers - please don't follow this recommendation.

[Byte1]

Not to deviate from the original point, but in my opinion it would be safer if they made the circles ONE LANE only. Sure, it would slow down traffic, but on the bright side maybe outsiders that use The Villages to avoid the highway traffic would not frequent our community so much. It would be safer to have one lane with no one worrying about crossing over to exit. You have to be real alert when traveling circles and some folks act as if operating an automobile is new to them.

[Love2Swim]

Could someone tell me in layman terms about traffic circles in the villages.

My problem is this... and may be simple for some...

The Resident entrances are always on the right side.

So, if you stay on the right side of the road, and go to the 3rd exit, you still have to yield to left who going to the second exit...

If you stay on the inside (left) and go to the third exit, as a resident you have to cross into the right lane, however you have to hope but the people on your right, and the people entering on your right will yield as you cross into their lane.

So, the right yields to the left, however you have to trust the right to yield for the left to get to the resident entrance, and many are new to circles.

Help.

The big problem here is the first line of your post - you are not obeying the rules of the road if you stay in the outside (right) lane and try to exit at the third exit. If you are going 3/4 of the way around the circle you are REQUIRED to be in the inside (left) lane. And as others have said, you CAN use the visitor lane to go through the gate, or if you prefer, once you get out of the traffic circle, change lanes over to the resident lane.

[Jmh266]

Easiest way to navigate the roundabouts is to think of the like a regular highway with big curves. If you are in the right lane you can either proceed straight or make the (first) right turn. If you are in the left lane you can go straight or make a left (including basically a u turn). Yes that means that you may enter your resident gate on the visitor side. Not an issue. What is an issue is drivers from another direction not yielding to cars already in the circle. Always drive defensively in the circles and you will be fine.

[earlehancock]

In Massachusetts the rule is simple, "the vehicle in the circle (Rotary) has the right of way". Where the Villages developer made a mistake is allowing 2 lanes of traffic to enter and exit the circles.

[jedalton]

great video from The Villagesz. How To Navigate The Roundabouts Properly In The Villages - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kaT18oGEps)

[Lee Stroud]

The issue usually is when you want to exit from the 3rd exit. Think ahead to which lane you want to exit from. Even then avoid traveling the Roundabout BESIDE another car; stagger among the other cars so you can avoid someone who travels to the 3rd exit in the outside lane. I have, more than once, had to go all the way around the circle to get BACK to my exit because of another driver's error. As others have said, be vigilant. On the other hand, don't be too hesitant--traffic circles are designed to flow; when it's your time to go, GO.

[noslices1]

It's really very simple.If you enter the roundabout in the right lane, you can turn right (first exit), or go straight (second exit). If you enter the roundabout in the left lane, you can go straight (second exit), or you can make a left turn (third exit), or you can make a U-turn (fourth exit) to go back the way you are coming from. Once you are in the roundabout, you have the "right of way" for anyone entering the roundabout after you. From the inside lane, you have the right of way, when making a left turn, to cross over the outside lane and get into the right hand lane, which is the resident lane entering the "neighborhoods".

[Bribaby56]

PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE,USE YOUR BLINKERS! If your blinkers are not activated we assume your NOT turning.

[OhioBuckeye]

Go through the guest gate. Eliminates the problem. I do it all the time. It's OK for a resident to use the guest gate.

I think he's asking about lane switching to get onto the side he's suppose to. Everybody has their own idea what we're suppose to do. It's kinda confusing to listen to everybodies opinion.

[OhioBuckeye]

You know everybody has their own idea what you're suppose to do, so take your pick & good luck! You know when I get into the round-a-bout & if there's a car running right next to me & I'm in the Left lane I don't take any chances I go around again & try not to run right next to another car. If I'm in the Right lane & I have a car right next to me & I don't want to turn in the first exit I slow down & let that car get ahead of me just so I see if they're going to cut across in front of me. Just be very careful & make sure you're not in no big hurry to get where you're going to, but I know there's a lot of short tempered jerks out their that think they're always right when it comes to accidents. Have a great day!

[RonV43]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/how-navigate-roundabouts-155158/?highlight=Roundabout

There are signs at the beginning of each circle that show the proper way navigate it. In simple terms: If you're in the outer part of the circle you can take either the first or second exit. However, if you want to go to the third exit, or all the way around, you should use the inner circle. There are also pamphlets at all recreation centers that give complete instructions. Note: Not everyone follows the rules, so be careful!

[manionman]

IF you want to take the 3rd exit, then you are about to make a TURN LEFT when you get into a Round About (aka an INTERSECTION).

You definitively want to make a LEFT TURN. Please get in the left lane before you get to the roundabout. Exactly what you have been doing since you started driving. The 3rd exit is a LEFT TURN. GET IN THE LEFT LANE!

IF you are taking the 2nd exit, you are going STRAIGHT. You are welcome to use both lanes.

However, beware of numbnuts who are turning LEFT form the RIGHT lane. This is usually due to not understanding their options from the Right Lane. Those options are you must either go STRAIGHT OR TURN RIGHT. Exactly what you have been doing since you started driving. NEVER TURN LEFT from the RIGHT LANE while you are in the the ROUND ABOUT.

IF you want to take the 1st exit, then TURN RIGHT. It is a no brainer to Turn Right from the Right Lane. NEVER TURN RIGHT from the LEFT LANE while you are in the the ROUND ABOUT.

IF you think you need to be in the RIGHT LANE TO EXIT the ROUND ABOUT you are MISTAKEN and DANGEROUS. Exiting at the 1st, 2nd or 3rd exit require getting in the proper lane BEFORE entering the Round About.

What you now know, please adhere to it. If you are hit by a car turning left from the right lane. The Sheriff will explain that to that culprit. And you will get a ticket.

Here is a summary your options at a ROUND ABOUT:

1ST EXIT is a RIGHT TURN. Get in the RIGHT LANE BEFORE ENTERING THE ROUND ABOUT.

2ND EXIT is actually traveling directly through the INTERSECTION and CONTINUING STRAIGHT ON THE SAME STREET. You may do this from either lane.

3RD EXIT is a LEFT TURN. Get in the LEFT LANE BEFORE ENTERING THE ROUND ABOUT.

Know that a lot of drivers cannot understand why they have to YIELD to smaller side streets when they are barreling down BV or MB. Good luck don't assume anybody knows where they are going. BE ALERT, BE SAFE.

[papasetti82]

How To Navigate The Roundabouts Properly In The Villages - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kaT18oGEps) Are you serious? That guy doesn't know how to drive the RA.He turned right twice from inside lane.He said one time that he was in outside lane when he was in inside lane! Please watch this to see how not to drive the RA.

[pakirk]

You should never stay in the right lane to go through the 3rd exit. If you are going over two exits, you should be in the left lane. This is clearly marked on the signs when you enter a traffic circle, but ignored by many. I agree, expect the unexpected.

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=villagetinker;1570483]Absolutely, and say HI to the gate keepers if there is one.

On an aside, when we first moved here, I completely avoided the roundabouts (if I could) for about 3 years. Then there was an accident on Rolling Acres road, no injuries and around

WELL ???
Hi regarding the Circles. We seem to be going around in Circles on this topic The main thing is this, in our view:
We do minimize the use of them and the main item is this: There are so many theories, just be careful, drive slowly and do not drive if you can avoid it. BE SAFE. Stay home, Happy Hours are the local roaming monsters here,,,, they are rampant.
:MOJE_whot: :MOJE_whot:

[abacus2233]

I can tell by most of the answers there are several people who need to go to the Round-about classes. Broken white lines mean you can change lanes if there is no traffic. Solid white lines mean you cannot change lanes. Plus each round-about has distinct features depending on the traffic flow signs and layout. They are not all the same. There are parts of the world that use round-about's very efficiently because they are very courteous drivers. Traffic flows smoothly and never stops. Roundabouts are not STOP signs. They were designed to move traffic more efficiently and when someones stops if defeats the purpose. "Go to the class!"

[Bogie Shooter]

You know everybody has their own idea what you're suppose to do, so take your pick & good luck! You know when I get into the round-a-bout & if there's a car running right next to me & I'm in the Left lane I don't take any chances I go around again & try not to run right next to another car. If I'm in the Right lane & I have a car right next to me & I don't want to turn in the first exit I slow down & let that car get ahead of me just so I see if they're going to cut across in front of me. Just be very careful & make sure you're not in no big hurry to get where you're going to, but I know there's a lot of short tempered jerks out their that think they're always right when it comes to accidents. Have a great day!

Just wondering, why are you in the right hand lane if you are not going to exit at the first or second exit?

[bunnyhop]

:-D

[bunnyhop]

Stop at any manned Gate House in the 'Visitor' lane and ask the gate attendant for a brochure on Roundabouts. They should all have them. If not, they can all get another supply of them at the Community Watch office on Bonita Boulevard.

[davem4616]

I too was awe struck when the person in my lane came to a complete stop in the roundabout awhile back. More proof that we need to constantly drive defensively. Some of us are getting a little long in the tooth and our ability to operate a vehicle like we did in our prime is no longer our reality. Let's not forget that we all have visitors coming to hook up with us in TV, and they most likely will be confused with the many 'roundabouts' they encounter. Here's some good news....Word is that Sears will be filing for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection soon....once that happens all these lousy drivers that obtained their driver's licenses from the Sears catalog won't be able to renew them !!!

[Arlington2]

Solid white lines mean you cannot change lanes.
Actually it is not illegal to cross a solid white line. It is a warning and a shouldn't unless you perceive a hazard. Big difference between shouldn't and prohibited. From the Florida DMV handbook;
"Solid White Line - A solid white line marks the right edge of the roadway or separates lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. You may travel in the same direction on both sides of this line, but you should not cross the line unless you must do so to avoid a hazard.
Double Solid White Line - A double sold white line separates two lanes of traffic going in the same direction. Crossing a double solid line is prohibited. left turn only lane"

[erojohn]

3/4 of the way around enter circle, go to inside lane exit, stay in inside lane entering neighborhoods even though it says visitors. Less chance of an accident. Exiting Half way around enter circle, left or right lane. The circles all have flow signs before entering the circle. 20 mph speed in the circles. It’s not a race track. If everyone goes 20 and one person messes up the others can usually avoid a collision with nothing bruised but egos. I try to avoid going around the circles adjacent to another vehicle. Less chance of an accident. There are pamphlets at most rec centers.

[Polar Bear]

...I try to avoid going around the circles adjacent to another vehicle...
Do this one thing and almost all other issues disappear.

[pbkmaine]

Do this one thing and almost all other issues disappear.


Yes!

[spring_chicken]

I agree just go in the guest lane, why bother trying to switch lanes

I have never understood why so many residents refuse to use the visitor lane. Daily, I come across a gate with 6 cars in the resident line and none in the visitor. I just laugh as I pass them by.

[LesPaul]

Maybe a mandatory traffic circle orientation be required for all new comers (homeowners/guests pass visitors). At the time they obtain their Villages ID card or Visitors Pass, they watch a brief video on navigating a Roundabout/traffic circle and get a descriptive brochure. At lest, a navigating Roundabout/Traffic circle should be given. Be careful out there!

[VApeople]

I too was awe struck when the person in my lane came to a complete stop in the roundabout awhile back.

If you were truly "awe struck" when a person stopped in a roundabout, it means you were going too fast and/or following too close.

Ask a policeman who would be at fault if you hit the stopped car from behind.

[Topspinmo]

You know everybody has their own idea what you're suppose to do, so take your pick & good luck! You know when I get into the round-a-bout & if there's a car running right next to me & I'm in the Left lane I don't take any chances I go around again & try not to run right next to another car. If I'm in the Right lane & I have a car right next to me & I don't want to turn in the first exit I slow down & let that car get ahead of me just so I see if they're going to cut across in front of me. Just be very careful & make sure you're not in no big hurry to get where you're going to, but I know there's a lot of short tempered jerks out their that think they're always right when it comes to accidents. Have a great day!

No, you follow the traffic instructions provided and read how to negotiate multi lane roundabout. This is NOT the place to learn traffic regulations! As we see lot of people don’t know how to negotiate roundabout properly.

It’s realy very simple. Yield to traffic IN the roundabout when approaching, use you’re blinker when exiting the circle, if you’re in the right lane you are turning right at the first exit or turning right at the second exit (straight through). If you in the left lane you are going to second or third exit. If oncoming cars yeild properly there should not be right way problem in the roundabout. Traffic laws are clear And if driver stay in the right lane and go to the third exit and hits someone after the second exit they will get the ticket, quite few find this out every year.

[ColdNoMore]

No, you follow the traffic instructions provided and read how to negotiate multi lane roundabout. This is NOT the place to learn traffic regulations! As we see lot of people don’t know how to negotiate roundabout properly.

It’s realy very simple. Yield to traffic IN the roundabout when approaching, use you’re blinker when exiting the circle, if you’re in the right lane you are turning right at the first exit or turning right at the second exit (straight through). If you in the left lane you are going to second or third exit. If oncoming cars yeild properly there should not be right way problem in the roundabout. Traffic laws are clear And if driver stay in the right lane and go to the third exit and hits someone after the second exit they will get the ticket, quite few find this out every year.

Link/proof?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Reason for confusion re: left turn:

Let's say I'm approaching the circle. North is straight ahead. East is to my right. West to the left. I'm coming from the South. I want to go west.
So I enter the circle via the inner-most lane. I'm now in the inside lane, travelling counter-clockwise. According to the rules, I'm in the correct lane to take a left. Except - now I'm IN the circle.
Once you are IN the circle, the only "left" that exists, is the circle itself. All exits are RIGHT exits, once you have entered the circle.

Now that's nitpicking, we all know that we're talking about a "west" exit in my scenario.

But let's continue past the nit.

We go past the first exit. The one heading east. We are now at the north exit. The next exit - the FIRST exit past the north exit, where we are at this very moment, in the inside lane, is the exit we want to take.

But that means we're in the wrong lane. Why? Because we are at the NORTH entrance to the circle right now. And everyone knows, if you are coming from the north, and need to turn west, you are taking the FIRST exit - from the north.

As soon as you move away from the entrance you came from, you are no longer turning left. That is the point some of us are trying to make, to explain WHY the last 16 pages of this thread exists.

If it were as easy and simple and elementary as some of you (and the graphics) try to make it look, there wouldn't be 16 pages (and how many other multi-page threads) of back and forth.

[Topspinmo]

Link/proof?


The sign, not the roundabout ahead sign but the actual traffic flow sign when posted before the roundabout.

[Marathon Man]

Reason for confusion re: left turn:

Let's say I'm approaching the circle. North is straight ahead. East is to my right. West to the left. I'm coming from the South. I want to go west.
So I enter the circle via the inner-most lane. I'm now in the inside lane, travelling counter-clockwise. According to the rules, I'm in the correct lane to take a left. Except - now I'm IN the circle.
Once you are IN the circle, the only "left" that exists, is the circle itself. All exits are RIGHT exits, once you have entered the circle.

Now that's nitpicking, we all know that we're talking about a "west" exit in my scenario.

But let's continue past the nit.

We go past the first exit. The one heading east. We are now at the north exit. The next exit - the FIRST exit past the north exit, where we are at this very moment, in the inside lane, is the exit we want to take.

But that means we're in the wrong lane. Why? Because we are at the NORTH entrance to the circle right now. And everyone knows, if you are coming from the north, and need to turn west, you are taking the FIRST exit - from the north.

As soon as you move away from the entrance you came from, you are no longer turning left. That is the point some of us are trying to make, to explain WHY the last 16 pages of this thread exists.

If it were as easy and simple and elementary as some of you (and the graphics) try to make it look, there wouldn't be 16 pages (and how many other multi-page threads) of back and forth.

No. If you are going 3/4 around, you stay in the inner lane from entrance to exit. Every sign and document tells you this. It is really no more complicated than that.

Another thing. Do not change lanes while in the roundabout. In other words, do not move from the inner lane to the outer lane prior to an exit. Continue all the way to the exit in the inner lane and take the left exit lane. Just as the pamphlet shows.

[Chatbrat]

don't sweat the circles--millions of vehicles use them very year , with very few accidents--lot safer than 4 way intersections

[ColdNoMore]

The sign, not the roundabout ahead sign but the actual traffic flow sign when posted before the roundabout.


I was asking about proof regarding your statement of...

...they will get the ticket, quite few find this out every year.

[Ron_Ski]

Reason for confusion re: left turn:

Let's say I'm approaching the circle. North is straight ahead. East is to my right. West to the left. I'm coming from the South. I want to go west.
So I enter the circle via the inner-most lane. I'm now in the inside lane, travelling counter-clockwise. According to the rules, I'm in the correct lane to take a left. Except - now I'm IN the circle.
Once you are IN the circle, the only "left" that exists, is the circle itself. All exits are RIGHT exits, once you have entered the circle.

Now that's nitpicking, we all know that we're talking about a "west" exit in my scenario.

But let's continue past the nit.

We go past the first exit. The one heading east. We are now at the north exit. The next exit - the FIRST exit past the north exit, where we are at this very moment, in the inside lane, is the exit we want to take.

But that means we're in the wrong lane. Why? Because we are at the NORTH entrance to the circle right now. And everyone knows, if you are coming from the north, and need to turn west, you are taking the FIRST exit - from the north.

As soon as you move away from the entrance you came from, you are no longer turning left. That is the point some of us are trying to make, to explain WHY the last 16 pages of this thread exists.

If it were as easy and simple and elementary as some of you (and the graphics) try to make it look, there wouldn't be 16 pages (and how many other multi-page threads) of back and forth.

Not sure why we have to make this any harder than it really is.

1. You must yield to both lanes before entering the circle.

2. You cannot overtake any vehicle while in the circle.

3. When you turn your wheel to the right from the inside lane to exit to the west, you are not making a right turn,
you are completing the left turn you started when you entered the circle.

[l2ridehd]

I am beginning to think everyone who doesn't understand this VERY simple concept should have their license removed and never allowed to drive.

A traffic circle is a traffic light replacement.

Nothing more. Think of it as driving down 466 or 466a and turing onto Morse or Buena Vista.

If you want to turn right get in the right lane.
If you want to turn left get in the left lane.
If you want to go straight either lane works.

Why is this hard to understand? You have all used traffic lights for years. It works exactly the same.

[Chatbrat]

Nailed it-very simple-but a lot of drivers in TV don't think that fast as evidenced by a recent golf cart vs car accident--the cart driver was 77 the car driver was 86

willing to bet younger drivers would have reacted fast enough to avoid the accident--if you can afford it, buy a car with the technology that makes up for our age related slower related reaction time

[Chi-Town]

This was the only traffic circle I had to deal with until I moved here. Nobody knew what to do, so we just closed our eyes and then entered the Twilight Zone. Seems to still work for some here.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181017/37da53c7a7de872ca041a32d0ae5a175.jpg

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[charmed59]

don't sweat the circles--millions of vehicles use them very year , with very few accidents--lot safer than 4 way intersections

I am extremely impressed with how seldom there are incidents in the traffic circles. In general they work as designed allowing for traffic to move smoothly. The vast majority of folks seem to know what they are doing.

[papasetti82]

OK,I've read all of these post and I have come up with a plan. Replace all Traffic Circles with an Overpass.Problem solved.

[Ron_Ski]

This is one is in Swindon England called the Magic Roundabout. Consists of 5 smaller circles feeding a larger central one.

[MSchad]

This is one is in Swindon England called the Magic Roundabout. Consists of 5 smaller circles feeding a larger central one.

Imagine the thread debating that !! :)

[ColdNoMore]

This was the only traffic circle I had to deal with until I moved here. Nobody knew what to do, so we just closed our eyes and then entered the Twilight Zone. Seems to still work for some here.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181017/37da53c7a7de872ca041a32d0ae5a175.jpg


That appears to not have any pavement markings...inside the roundabout itself.

[Nucky]

Don't be lazy, use your directional always but especially while making any maneuver in a roundabout. Stop before entering a roundabout. Make believe all other cars are Kryptonite and your allergic. Tell your passengers or whoever you have on the phone there will be silence when going thru a Roundabout. Keep it simple. Use common sense and expect the worst from each car that isn't yours! Hope you stay safe.

Oh, don't rush, leave wherever you are early! Don't drive tired or Drunk. Think I'm done. :ohdear:

A car was on the Golf Cart path near Santa Barbara Health Care Center, it is a newly widened blacktopped very wide area. Everyone was freaking out on the poor women. She was disoriented and I don't think screaming at her did any good. She got out of the situation she was in just to run up the curb down by the Roundabout near Morse. Sad.

[Chi-Town]

That appears to not have any pavement markings...inside the roundabout itself.

None at all. For years. But this just in......the Illinois Dept. of Transportation finally came up with three million + dollars to make it look like this in the near future. Needless to say the roundabouts here are a piece of cake.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181018/62d90ee9a1b85281524b7a929165f9c1.jpg

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[Two Bills]

This is one is in Swindon England called the Magic Roundabout. Consists of 5 smaller circles feeding a larger central one.

We lived near Hemel Hempstead for years when that Magic Roundabout had six exits. Only five now, as the old BP builing was closed. Locals never had a problem, but some visitors got 'lost' sometimes.

[BobnBev]

Don't be lazy, use your directional always but especially while making any maneuver in a roundabout. Stop before entering a roundabout. Make believe all other cars are Kryptonite and your allergic. Tell your passengers or whoever you have on the phone there will be silence when going thru a Roundabout. Keep it simple. Use common sense and expect the worst from each car that isn't yours! Hope you stay safe.

Oh, don't rush, leave wherever you are early! Don't drive tired or Drunk. Think I'm done. :ohdear:

A car was on the Golf Cart path near Santa Barbara Health Care Center, it is a newly widened blacktopped very wide area. Everyone was freaking out on the poor women. She was disoriented and I don't think screaming at her did any good. She got out of the situation she was in just to run up the curb down by the Roundabout near Morse. Sad.

Stop before entering a roundabout. Defeats the purpose of keeping the traffic moving smoothly.

[Topspinmo]

Don't be lazy, use your directional always but especially while making any maneuver in a roundabout. Stop before entering a roundabout. Make believe all other cars are Kryptonite and your allergic. Tell your passengers or whoever you have on the phone there will be silence when going thru a Roundabout. Keep it simple. Use common sense and expect the worst from each car that isn't yours! Hope you stay safe.

Oh, don't rush, leave wherever you are early! Don't drive tired or Drunk. Think I'm done. :ohdear:

A car was on the Golf Cart path near Santa Barbara Health Care Center, it is a newly widened blacktopped very wide area. Everyone was freaking out on the poor women. She was disoriented and I don't think screaming at her did any good. She got out of the situation she was in just to run up the curb down by the Roundabout near Morse. Sad.


sorry Nucky, I usually don't disagree, but I can't agree with this; "Stop before entering a roundabout"

Roundabouts are designed to yield to traffic in the roundabout and only stop when traffic in roundabout which you are about to enter. People will not stop at or before stops signs, especially 4 way stops or stop half way out in the intersection, but stop before entering roundabout when No traffic in roundabout which clearly the only have to yield.

[Topspinmo]

None at all. For years. But this just in......the Illinois Dept. of Transportation finally came up with three million + dollars to make it look like this in the near future. Needless to say the roundabouts here are a piece of cake.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181018/62d90ee9a1b85281524b7a929165f9c1.jpg

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I see Zebra crossings, directional Arrows and Yield markings on the payment. notice the flow arrows in the right lanes.

[Nucky]

sorry Nucky, I usually don't disagree, but I can't agree with this; "Stop before entering a roundabout"

Roundabouts are designed to yield to traffic in the roundabout and only stop when traffic in roundabout which you are about to enter. People will not stop at or before stops signs, especially 4 way stops or stop half way out in the intersection, but stop before entering roundabout when No traffic in roundabout which clearly the only have to yield.

I hear ya, I mean when others are progressing properly through the Roundabout, don't sweat them by creeping into their rightful lane. Sorry about that, I meant well but many time don't express myself well. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Love2Swim]

I am beginning to think everyone who doesn't understand this VERY simple concept should have their license removed and never allowed to drive.

A traffic circle is a traffic light replacement.

Nothing more. Think of it as driving down 466 or 466a and turing onto Morse or Buena Vista.

If you want to turn right get in the right lane.
If you want to turn left get in the left lane.
If you want to go straight either lane works.

Why is this hard to understand? You have all used traffic lights for years. It works exactly the same.

:bigbow: FINALLY, SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS HOW A TRAFFIC CIRCLE WORKS!