lots of rollover accidents in TV

[Chatbrat]

There have been several rollover accidents in the past year-it appears these small SUV 's that are very popular are quite prone to rolling over

My dealer gave me a service loaner-a Mercedes GLE, the car was so rolley poley I got it exchanged the next day-would not take much for that car to get knocked over

Yesterday's accident between a small Cadillac suv and a BMW suv resulted in the Cadillac being knocked over

[Gpsma]

SUVs need to be driven with an extra degree of caution because of the rollover possibility. Thats not going to happen given the poor driving abilities of many here.

[graciegirl]

I need coffee right away. This is going to be interesting. Will it head toward blaming old people, geographic areas, or even the p word?

We have a Chrysler Pacifica. Farm kids where I'm from started driving early. We are big on traffic rules. I have always thought skill and caution was key in trying to avoid accidents. BUT if you hit a big old car hard enough it's gonna do bad things. I wonder how you feel a car is "roley-poley".

Next...…….

[Mortal1]

Define "lots"...I've a sneaking suspicion that it's a very tiny percentage and a mountain is being made out of a mole hill...

[graciegirl]

Define "lots"...I've a sneaking suspicion that it's a very tiny percentage and a mountain is being made out of a mole hill...

I agree. Yesterday, in the national news, I noticed the same thing happening. A LOT of glittering generalities, leaping to conclusions, opinion without facts. Oh gosh. Better NOT change the subject.

[VillageIdiots]

Small SUV/Crossovers seem very popular here. Would be interesting to know how TV's stacks up against anywhere outside the bubble with respect to small SUV's per capita. I know one of the first things we did after getting settled in was to go trade in our larger SUV for a smaller one that is easier to get in and out of the garage and easier to navigate around the area. But it doesn't take an engineer to realize that a vehicle that sits up higher than a car, with a wheelbase as short or shorter than a car, is going to be more prone to rollover. However, they typically don't rollover on their own with normal driving. That generally requires additional outside force such as another vehicle/object hitting it at a certain speed and angle. I doubt these things are just rolling over on their own due to a person's age or relative driving ability.

[DeanFL]

We have a Mercedes GLA (crossover SUV). It sits a bit higher than a sedan, but not nearly high as a true 4WD SUV. We feel very safe in it and believe the Crossover or an SUV is much more survivable if hit by a large vehicle.

A bit off subject - Would rather be in ANY vehicle in a rollover compared to a rollover golf cart, even if wearing seat belts..

A link to a Consumer Reports article re rollovers>


Car Rollover 101 - Consumer Reports (https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/02/rollover-101/index.htm)

[DonH57]

Our driver education instructor always said " It takes hundreds of nuts to put an automobile together, it only takes one to scatter it all over the road".

[vintageogauge]

They all tend to rollover easily while texting and driving.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Define "lots"...I've a sneaking suspicion that it's a very tiny percentage and a mountain is being made out of a mole hill...

This was my first thought.

We are a community of 150,000 residents with far more than that traveling through the Villages on our main roads.

[NotGolfer]

I need coffee right away. This is going to be interesting. Will it head toward blaming old people, geographic areas, or even the p word?

We have a Chrysler Pacifica. Farm kids where I'm from started driving early. We are big on traffic rules. I have always thought skill and caution was key in trying to avoid accidents. BUT if you hit a big old car hard enough it's gonna do bad things. I wonder how you feel a car is "roley-poley".

Next...…….

:mornincoffee: I'll join you with that one Gracie!! Accidents happen like that due to folks not paying attention, taking risks and more.

[manaboutown]

Years ago in NM a large family of 9 from the town where I lived was on an interstate in a Suburban. An idiot in a Camaro doing 95 sideswiped them, causing the Suburban with its high center of mass to roll over. If I recall correctly 7 of the 9 were killed. One parent and one child survived. Unfortunately, the camaro driver survived.

Each vehicles has its own characteristics and performance envelope. One makes his choices and takes his chances.

[Chatbrat]

About two years ago, friend and his wife were both killed in a KIA Soul, should have opened my mouth and maybe they would be alive

Some cars are inherently unsafe and they are more unsafe for senior citizens--they're too big and they do not fit a senior citizens driving abilities

We can't react quickly enough if something goes wrong-thats why we buy cars that have safety features that takes this out of the driving equation

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Small SUV/Crossovers seem very popular here. Would be interesting to know how TV's stacks up against anywhere outside the bubble with respect to small SUV's per capita. I know one of the first things we did after getting settled in was to go trade in our larger SUV for a smaller one that is easier to get in and out of the garage and easier to navigate around the area. But it doesn't take an engineer to realize that a vehicle that sits up higher than a car, with a wheelbase as short or shorter than a car, is going to be more prone to rollover. However, they typically don't rollover on their own with normal driving. That generally requires additional outside force such as another vehicle/object hitting it at a certain speed and angle. I doubt these things are just rolling over on their own due to a person's age or relative driving ability.

Small SUVs and Crossovers are popular everywhere. They are the biggest selling category of cars in the US.

I have a Lexus RX and have never come close to rolling over and I doubt that I ever will.

Does anyone think that the safety factor of driving a larger heavier vehicle offsets the possibility of a rollover?

[Investment Painting Contractors]

They all tend to rollover easily while texting and driving.

I agree if you keep your eyes on the road you have less of a tendency of making a left turn in front of someone going at least 45 mph. Most cars would roll over too in the same set of circumstances.

[photo1902]

I've been trying to teach my truck to rollover for the last two years. So far all it can do is sit and speak.

[manaboutown]

Small SUVs and Crossovers are popular everywhere. They are the biggest selling category of cars in the US.

I have a Lexus RX and have never come close to rolling over and I doubt that I ever will.

Does anyone think that the safety factor of driving a larger heavier vehicle offsets the possibility of a rollover?

I will go for the heavier vehicle most of the time, especially if it is designed to collapse on severe impact around a strongly built and protective passenger compartment. Mercedes and Volvo come to mind.

In the last 15 years I have driven a Cayenne, a Touareg and an X5. I have never come close to rolling over but if side swiped by a low slung vehicle, I don’t know...

[Chatbrat]

If you check out vehicles that roll over some big SUV's and pickup trucks are the worst offenders--the higher the center of gravity-the higher the odds

[CFrance]

I've been trying to teach my truck to rollover for the last two years. So far all it can do is sit and speak.
Does it double-bark?

[dewilson58]

Nothing new here.

Next.
(not quite yet, Nucky brought me back)

[Nucky]

We have a Transit Connect Van in Florida and a H2 Hummer in N.J. I feel equally safe in both vehicles.

Our car of choice even though I’m a big guy is a Mini Cooper. Fun to drive, reasonable and SAFE.

My son has been after the Hummer since 2004, we just gave it to him. 8 miles per gallon and only 62,000 miles. It was never my favorite because it had a crummy interior but fun in the snow.

I will take my chances in any little car or SUV, you never know when it’s your time. It’s not the car it’s the driver. We are getting ready to buy either a Flex, Escape or a Hyundai, not one bit concerned about safety, I haven’t had a drink before or after driving in many moons, I think that levels the playing field.

[Nucky]

Does it double-bark?

She’s Baaacccckkkk! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[dewilson58]

We have a Transit Connect Van in Florida and a H2 Hummer in N.J. I feel equally safe in both vehicles.

Our car of choice even though I’m a big guy is a Mini Cooper. Fun to drive, reasonable and SAFE.

My son has been after the Hummer since 2004, we just gave it to him. 8 miles per gallon and only 62,000 miles. It was never my favorite because it had a crummy interior but fun in the snow.

I will take my chances in any little car or SUV, you never know when it’s your time. It’s not the car it’s the driver. We are getting ready to buy either a Flex, Escape or a Hyundai, not one bit concerned about safety, I haven’t had a drink before or after driving in many moons, I think that levels the playing field.


I use to race Mini's.
The owner of the car told me, get the inside rear wheel off the ground, you're getting close. Get both inside wheels off the ground, you are going the right speed,

[graciegirl]

Check out page 13, Table 7. It compares rollovers between vans and passenger cars.

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/810741

From the United States Department of Transportation National Highway Traffic Safety Administration,

[graciegirl]

Some cars are inherently unsafe and they are more unsafe for senior citizens--they're too big and they do not fit a senior citizens driving abilities

We can't react quickly enough if something goes wrong-thats why we buy cars that have safety features that takes this out of the driving equation

"Kindelberger and Eigen (2003) modeled rollover of SUVs in crashes as a function of driver age, driver sex, and vehicle age. They found a negative relationship between probability of rollover and driver age, as did we. They found a positive and statistically significant relationship between the driver being male, as opposed to female, and probability of rollover. We found the opposite relationship. Finally, the paper found that, other things being equal, a one-year increase in vehicle age increased the odds of rollover by 3%. We found the increase in odds to be 1.7%. "

Above copied from the report by the United States Department of Transportation National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, linked in previous post.

[Chatbrat]

The insurance institute for car crashes are the real tests that mean anything--their tests are light years ahead of the nhtsa star ratings and even better check out the the European tests-- the car at their bottom is the Ford Mustang

[BobnBev]

I agree. Yesterday, in the national news, I noticed the same thing happening. A LOT of glittering generalities, leaping to conclusions, opinion without facts. Oh gosh. Better NOT change the subject.

Leaping to conclusions will be an Olympic sport next year. I understand we will have a lot of entrants from The Villages.:coolsmiley::MOJE_whot::coolsmiley::ho:

[BobnBev]

We have a Transit Connect Van in Florida and a H2 Hummer in N.J. I feel equally safe in both vehicles.

Our car of choice even though I’m a big guy is a Mini Cooper. Fun to drive, reasonable and SAFE.

My son has been after the Hummer since 2004, we just gave it to him. 8 miles per gallon and only 62,000 miles. It was never my favorite because it had a crummy interior but fun in the snow.

I will take my chances in any little car or SUV, you never know when it’s your time. It’s not the car it’s the driver. We are getting ready to buy either a Flex, Escape or a Hyundai, not one bit concerned about safety, I haven’t had a drink before or after driving in many moons, I think that levels the playing field.

I think the Flex will be my next car. The last production year will be 2020.:ohdear:

[perrjojo]

Define "lots"...I've a sneaking suspicion that it's a very tiny percentage and a mountain is being made out of a mole hill...
We have LOTS of every thing here. Why? Because things that would never make the news anywhere else get headlines on an unmentionable news site.

[New Englander]

There have been several rollover accidents in the past year-it appears these small SUV 's that are very popular are quite prone to rolling over

My dealer gave me a service loaner-a Mercedes GLE, the car was so rolley poley I got it exchanged the next day-would not take much for that car to get knocked over

Yesterday's accident between a small Cadillac suv and a BMW suv resulted in the Cadillac being knocked over

A Mercedes that is "rolley polley"? Surely you jest.

[graciegirl]

The insurance institute for car crashes are the real tests that mean anything--their tests are light years ahead of the nhtsa star ratings and even better check out the the European tests-- the car at their bottom is the Ford Mustang

Mixed results for minivans in new test (http://www.iihs.org/iihs/sr/statusreport/article/53/5/1)

[Chatbrat]

I do not jest, some Mercedes do not handle, my took the GLE out for a short spin and it leans in turns @ slow speed turns-I flat refused to drive it

If you guys want to see what a real car crash test should like, look up NCAP 2016 Mercedes E class--they do way more testing than we do--totally amazing

[graciegirl]

I do not jest, some Mercedes do not handle, my took the GLE out for a short spin and it leans in turns @ slow speed turns-I flat refused to drive it

If you guys want to see a real car crash test look up NCAP 2016 Mercedes E class--they do way more testing than we do--totally amazing

Euro NCAP Newsroom : Euro NCAP's Best In Class 2017 (https://euroncap.newsmarket.com/latest-release/all/euro-ncap-s-best-in-class-2017/s/0b7475e0-35fe-4557-bfb9-c3611da53724)

[sdedes]

Small SUV/Crossovers seem very popular here. Would be interesting to know how TV's stacks up against anywhere outside the bubble with respect to small SUV's per capita. I know one of the first things we did after getting settled in was to go trade in our larger SUV for a smaller one that is easier to get in and out of the garage and easier to navigate around the area. But it doesn't take an engineer to realize that a vehicle that sits up higher than a car, with a wheelbase as short or shorter than a car, is going to be more prone to rollover. However, they typically don't rollover on their own with normal driving. That generally requires additional outside force such as another vehicle/object hitting it at a certain speed and angle. I doubt these things are just rolling over on their own due to a person's age or relative driving ability.
I think the small SUV's are so popular here because they are easier for us older folks to get in and out of. A regular sedan is too low for people with bad knees or hips, and a larger SUV is too high.

[Gpsma]

Im still trying to figure out what dear Gracie meant by the P word.

[manaboutown]

I think this is the video of an SL that rolled on the autobahn at over 150 mph. The driver walked away from it. Mercedes Benz SL-class crash - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-2O7W44-Z4)

Crash - Mercedes-Benz High Speed Crash at the Autobahn - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KbdH-J6UoYI)

[Chatbrat]

That video is what made us Mercedes customers--the best video ever

[justjim]

Smaller vehicles are easier to park and I think that is a major reason you see so many in The Villages. And they all pretty much look alike. We prefer a larger vehicle for safety and other personal reasons - - but to each his own... BTW they sort of all look alike too. I liked the older cars for style and looks but admit the technology is better today.

[Chatbrat]

My wife's new SL is so cool, she can drive thru circles with hands off if she wants to and its wider and more stable than my E-class, also its scary fast

[Barefoot]

Leaping to conclusions will be an Olympic sport next year. I understand we will have a lot of entrants from The Villages.:evil6:

[graciegirl]

My wife's new SL is so cool, she can drive thru circles with hands off if she wants to and its wider and more stable than my E-class, also its scary fast

Our Chrysler Pacifica parks itself, keeps itself in the lane, breaks when too close to car ahead, emits sound when a car is in blind spot, cusses at you when you might bump into the curb, screams when someone is coming up on you when you are backing out, and folds the laundry.

[Chatbrat]

Most of the high tech features are imported from Asian manufactures--structure and handling dynamics are whats really important in crash survivability--thats where Mercedes & Volvo really stand out--

For really good auto insight--look up"Auto Expert" on youtube- he's crude but he's spot on

[graciegirl]

Most of the high tech features are imported from Asian manufactures--structure and handling dynamics are whats really important in crash survivability--thats where Mercedes & Volvo really stand out--

For really good auto insight--look up"Auto Expert" on youtube- he's crude but he's spot on

CRUDE is putting it mildly and he doesn't think much of Mercedes in this ;auto expert on you tube Mercedes - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=auto+expert+on+you+tube+Mercedes&view=detail&mid=161BECF93D06A6AEC2B4161BECF93D06A6AEC2B4&FORM=VIRE)

Disclaimer. REALLY REALLY BAD LANGUAGE.

Anything else you want me to check? And to reiterate another issue; Senior Citizens Do Not have more auto accidents but they die more often in auto accidents.

[manaboutown]

Most of the high tech features are imported from Asian manufactures--structure and handling dynamics are whats really important in crash survivability--thats where Mercedes & Volvo really stand out--

For really good auto insight--look up"Auto Expert" on youtube- he's crude but he's spot on

Many years ago when I was still married I bought my wife a MB 560SL. It was the first year with an air bag in the steering wheel. 1987? None for the passenger. In due time she lost control of it on an icy interstate, crossed the median and head-oned into an oncoming car, narrowly missing a semi. Our daughter was in the passenger seat. Both survived with minor bruising. Made me a believer in MB, at least their S and E class cars. The steering columns are designed to collapse rather than pinion the driver. The whole front end accordions to absorb an impact. Moreover the passenger compartment is strongly built to protect the passengers. The seatbelts contain explosive charges to tighten them on impact. I am certain much more protection is provided in today’s models along with all the electronic and optical assists.

Fortunately the young man driving the other car also was not badly injured.

[Chatbrat]

He doesn't think much of the low end Mercedes, when I was given a CLA as a loaner-my comment was the only thing Mercedes is the emblem--world of difference between E , S & SL classes--IMHO--the others are about the same as Hyundai, Toyota's & Mazda's

Lust like trying to compare a Fiesta to a Continental--their both Fords

[Nucky]

Mrs. Gracie in Post #25 you mention driver sex. Just my opinion but at all of our ages I don't think sex while driving anything is a good idea especially with a partner or even without a partner. The chances of flipping something is about 3000% Mercedes or not.


Its all a bunch of bull. When its your day and the Good Lord calls in your margins, its over. I'm getting two Smart Cars, one for each cheek.

[Boomer]

Mrs. Gracie in Post #25 you mention driver sex. Just my opinion but at all of our ages I don't think sex while driving anything is a good idea especially with a partner or even without a partner. The chances of flipping something is about 3000% Mercedes or not.


Its all a bunch of bull. When its your day and the Good Lord calls in your margins, its over. I'm getting two Smart Cars, one for each cheek.


I have said it before. I will say it again: Nucky, you are funny. :)

[Chatbrat]

Nucky, we met -make sure you put load levelers in those Smart cars--I 've got an associate who owns 200 MB dealerships--he is very adamant about Smart cars having any association with MB--

[spring_chicken]

Nucky, we met -make sure you put load levelers in those Smart cars--I 've got an associate who owns 200 MB dealerships--he is very adamant about Smart cars having any association with MB--

What's his name?

[JoMar]

We have a Transit Connect Van in Florida and a H2 Hummer in N.J. I feel equally safe in both vehicles.

Our car of choice even though I’m a big guy is a Mini Cooper. Fun to drive, reasonable and SAFE.

My son has been after the Hummer since 2004, we just gave it to him. 8 miles per gallon and only 62,000 miles. It was never my favorite because it had a crummy interior but fun in the snow.

I will take my chances in any little car or SUV, you never know when it’s your time. It’s not the car it’s the driver. We are getting ready to buy either a Flex, Escape or a Hyundai, not one bit concerned about safety, I haven’t had a drink before or after driving in many moons, I think that levels the playing field.

If you drive in NJ you need a hummer :)

[graciegirl]

What's his name?

I would like to hug you.

[graciegirl]

Mrs. Gracie in Post #25 you mention driver sex. Just my opinion but at all of our ages I don't think sex while driving anything is a good idea especially with a partner or even without a partner. The chances of flipping something is about 3000% Mercedes or not.


Its all a bunch of bull. When its your day and the Good Lord calls in your margins, its over. I'm getting two Smart Cars, one for each cheek.

I have loved you from the moment we met. Priscilla and Henry and Helene love you too. So does anyone with a brain cell and good taste. I don't remember mentioning sex while driving. I do know that I tore my Achilles Tendon trying to...…...oh never mind.

[DonH57]

I'll be happy when the snowbirds return packing the the roads slowing some of the jack asses down.

[spring_chicken]

I would like to hug you.

Only asking because there are only 2 dealership groups in the US that own over 200 dealerships. One is Penske, the other is Autonation.
:icon_wink:

[Chatbrat]

All I can say is his son sold all of MB South America for 1 BILLION cash, and they still own the property- his MB dealerships are world wide--his personal plane is a G 6 with tanks installed in the cargo area-so he can fly it from Teterboro to Rome round trip--this guy is a major player-- He can fly any plane in the world from a 747 --down

[spring_chicken]

Oic

[graciegirl]

All I can say is his son sold all of MB South America for 1 BILLION cash, and they still own the property- his MB dealerships are world wide--his personal plane is a G 6 with tanks installed in the cargo area-so he can fly it from Teterboro to Rome round trip--this guy is a major player-- He can fly any plane in the world from a 747 --down

Holy bowlegged Sarah.

Do you think old people should drive a sports car, Chat? How old is TOO old?

Oh and we are way wide of the original subject but hey it's too hot for ME to play golf today. Henry is handling it for the family. He drove his golf cart. He still holds a job too. It is amazing what old people can do.

[spring_chicken]

Holy bowlegged Sarah.

Do you think old people should drive a sports car, Chat? How old is TOO old?

Oh and we are way wide of the original subject but hey it's too hot for ME to play golf.

Be nice and his buddy might take you from Teterboro to Rome!
:blahblahblah:

[asianthree]

Looking at my drive we support most automakers. A Buick, Jeep, Benz, BMW, and the Rover. So far not one has rolled over, but if one does there is something to take its place. Not going to worry about what I cannot change

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm only "just" in my senior years (57) now. So I can say confidently, that it's the older people driving in SUVs that make me more nervous than anyone else driving in any vehicle at all.

My dad always had trouble with slowing down for stop signs, traffic lights, and curves. It's much more pronounced now that he drives an SUV. It's as if people forget about things like centrifugal force when they get older or something.

If you're driving a car with more clearance space under the chassis, you MUST drive slower around corners than someone with a vehicle whose chassis is closer to the road. It's science, and it's common sense.

I had the same problem myself, for the first day after I bought my first SUV - a Ford Explorer Sport. First day. I adjusted. Had that one for 11 years, never had a rollover. Got another one to replace that one. It was a lemon, but I drove it for around a year. Never rolled over. Replaced THAT with a Jaguar. Never rolled over, but I was able to go a LOT faster around curves than I could with the SUV. I also had a much shorter stopping time.

My current car is a Scion XD, a little nasty tin can on wheels. I hate it. But it gets me from point A to B, it's reliable, doesn't drift much at all in the snow, and is super low on gas mileage. I have to be MUCH more careful in this, than any of my other cars. Why? Because it weighs around as much as an old-fashioned VW Beetle but it's around 7 inches higher off the ground. If you kick it just right, it'll tip over at a standstill.

[Topspinmo]

SUVs set higher, the BMW set low, so if the BMW hits the SUV in the side hard enough it wii lift it and push it over. Older people usually don't drive that fast to cause roll over. Another good example was the MB or BMW that hit the minivan on BV below GV. Got under the it and the impact caused it to roll. The main point is NOT o to hit broadside

[Topspinmo]

The insurance institute for car crashes are the real tests that mean anything--their tests are light years ahead of the nhtsa star ratings and even better check out the the European tests-- the car at their bottom is the Ford Mustang

Well yaw, it's European test. :popcorn:

[graciegirl]

I'm only "just" in my senior years (57) now. So I can say confidently, that it's the older people driving in SUVs that make me more nervous than anyone else driving in any vehicle at all.

My dad always had trouble with slowing down for stop signs, traffic lights, and curves. It's much more pronounced now that he drives an SUV. It's as if people forget about things like when they get older or something.

If you're driving a car with more clearance space under the chassis, you MUST drive slower around corners than someone with a vehicle whose chassis is closer to the road. It's science, and it's common sense.

I had the same problem myself, for the first day after I bought my first SUV - a Ford Explorer Sport. First day. I adjusted. Had that one for 11 years, never had a rollover. Got another one to replace that one. It was a lemon, but I drove it for around a year. Never rolled over. Replaced THAT with a Jaguar. Never rolled over, but I was able to go a LOT faster around curves than I could with the SUV. I also had a much shorter stopping time.

My current car is a Scion XD, a little nasty tin can on wheels. I hate it. But it gets me from point A to B, it's reliable, doesn't drift much at all in the snow, and is super low on gas mileage. I have to be MUCH more careful in this, than any of my other cars. Why? Because it weighs around as much as an old-fashioned VW Beetle but it's around 7 inches higher off the ground. If you kick it just right, it'll tip over at a standstill.

Actually the statistics show your fears about aging drivers are not valid. More senior people do die from accidents but that is probably because their bodies are more fragile. According to statistics twice the percentage of people your age are involved in vehicular accidents than those who are over 75

Age of Driver and Number in Accidents statistics - USA Census numbers (http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/1045_age_of_driver_and_number_in.html)



Facts & Research – AAA Senior Driving (https://seniordriving.aaa.com/resources-family-friends/conversations-about-driving/facts-research/)
Most Villagers stop for stop signs and red lights, not just slow down.

I don't think a person needs to be expert in physics to know to slow down before entering a curve. Generally the wisdom of age has granted most people knowledge with time. I personally think that a 77 year old is twenty years wiser than a 57 year old in many ways, because most people continue learning and storing information. You don't need to know mitosis to understand reproduction. Or the term centripedal force to understand sliding on ice. Not all older people have dementia. Usually it has a genetic link.You know what they say about judging whole groups...And you will find that wisdom also includes people who know when they are not safe to drive.

Or to make negative statements about a certain age of people who make up most of the readers of a forum.

[ColdNoMore]

Fatality Facts (http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/overview-of-fatality-facts)

[perrjojo]

Y’all are making me tired.

[ColdNoMore]

Y’all are making me tired.

If you're feeling tired, whatever you do...don't go driving. :D

[graciegirl]

I would add one more word in that sentence and it will be then one commonly used in Ohio when people are aggravated.

You are making my … tired.

[manaboutown]

I would add one more word in that sentence and it will be then one commonly used in Ohio when people are aggravated.

You are making my … tired.

Do you mean irritate?

Aggravate | Definition of Aggravate by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aggravate)

Irritate | Definition of Irritate by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irritate)

[manaboutown]

Actually the statistics show your fears about aging drivers are not valid. More senior people do die from accidents but that is probably because their bodies are more fragile. According to statistics twice the percentage of people your age are involved in vehicular accidents than those who are over 75

Age of Driver and Number in Accidents statistics - USA Census numbers (http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/1045_age_of_driver_and_number_in.html)



Facts & Research – AAA Senior Driving (https://seniordriving.aaa.com/resources-family-friends/conversations-about-driving/facts-research/)
Most Villagers stop for stop signs and red lights, not just slow down.

I don't think a person needs to be expert in physics to know to slow down before entering a curve. Generally the wisdom of age has granted most people knowledge with time. I personally think that a 77 year old is twenty years wiser than a 57 year old in many ways, because most people continue learning and storing information. You don't need to know mitosis to understand reproduction. Or the term centripedal force to understand sliding on ice. Not all older people have dementia. Usually it has a genetic link.You know what they say about judging whole groups...And you will find that wisdom also includes people who know when they are not safe to drive.

Or to make negative statements about a certain age of people who make up most of the readers of a forum.
There is no such thing as centripedal force.

Centripetal Force (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html)

Do you mean centrifugal force?

What Are Centrifugal & Centripetal Forces? (https://www.livescience.com/52488-centrifugal-centripetal-forces.html)