Do I Have This Right?

[Guest]

Subject: Do I Have This Right?

Let's see-

If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years hard labor

If you cross the Iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely

If you cross the Afghan border illegally you get shot

If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally you will be jailed

If you cross the Chinese border illegally you may never be heard from
again

If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy

If you cross the Cuban border illegally you will be thrown into political
prison to rot

If you cross the US border illegally though you get:

a. a job

b. a drivers license

c. a social security card

d. welfare

e. food stamps

f.. credit cards

g. free health care

h. free education

i.. a lobbyist in Washington

j. a billion dollars worth of public documents printed in YOUR language

k. the right to carry your country's flag while you protest that you don't
get enough respect

l. and in many cases - thanks to ACORN - you can vote.

What's wrong with this picture???? DO NOT VOTE ENCUMBANTS IN!!!!!

[Guest]

Subject: Do I Have This Right?

Let's see-

If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years hard labor

If you cross the Iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely

If you cross the Afghan border illegally you get shot

If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally you will be jailed

If you cross the Chinese border illegally you may never be heard from
again

If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy

If you cross the Cuban border illegally you will be thrown into political
prison to rot

If you cross the US border illegally though you get:

a. a job

b. a drivers license

c. a social security card

d. welfare

e. food stamps

f.. credit cards

g. free health care

h. free education

i.. a lobbyist in Washington

j. a billion dollars worth of public documents printed in YOUR language

k. the right to carry your country's flag while you protest that you don't
get enough respect

l. and in many cases - thanks to ACORN - you can vote.

What's wrong with this picture???? DO NOT VOTE ENCUMBANTS IN!!!!!


"Sort" of humorous if not true and then you add the following tidbits and it scares you a bit...

In April of 2009 from the New York Times...

"While acknowledging that the recession makes the political battle more difficult, President Obama plans to begin addressing the country’s immigration system this year, including looking for a path for illegal immigrants to become legal, a senior administration official said on Wednesday."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/us/politics/09immig.html

Then this interpetation of last nights State of the Union...

"Pres. Obama's obtuse sentence on immigration in his address to the nation revealed a great fear of how the American people would react if he directly called for more foreign workers and for permanent jobs for the estimated 8 million illegal foreign workers.

He seemed to be trying to signal to the supporters of amnesty and "comprehensive immigration reform" that he was still behind them but in words that the voters watching on TV wouldn't understand:

We should continue to work at fixing our broken immigration system to secure our borders and enforce our laws and ensure that everyone who plays by rules can contribute to our economy and enrich our nation.

-- Pres. Obama, State of the Union Address


Reading those words literally, I would have to say I agree. The people who have "played by the rules" are the legal immigrants who are already here. I and NumbersUSA wholeheartedly want all of them to become fully integrated into our society, contributing to our economy and enriching our nation.

Of course, we know that Mr. Obama was actually talking about the foreign workers who have played by the rules . . .

. . . except for the teeny tiny infraction of violating their visas or entering the country illegally or taking a job and government benefits without federal authorization. The President has repeatedly and within the last month asserted that unauthorized aliens in this country should get to keep their jobs and become U.S. citizens."


http://www.rightsidenews.com/201001288414/editorial/what-pres-obama-seemed-to-say-about-immigration-in-his-state-of-the-union-address.html

[Guest]

Only in America. Vote the bums out.:highfive::highfive:

[Guest]

Well, here in New Hampshire, I'll speak towards your points..

[Job] - Nope. Well, you MIGHT be able to get a landscaping job under-the-table - but employers here are pretty strict about making sure you pass employment eligibility. Even McDonalds does it up here.

[Driver's License] - Fat bleeping chance. First you need either a U.S. birth certificate, U.S. Passport, U.S. Military ID or driver's license from another state. If you didn't supply a driver's license for the first part, you need one of 7 other forms of ID (divorce decree, state-issued non-driver's picture ID, State of NH employee ID, SSA card, etc). THEN you have to prove residencywith one or more of the following (many of which have to be less than 60 days old): A certified title or application that isn't marked "non resident", lease or rental agreement, mortgage statement who's address agrees with your other paperwork, utility bill with your name on it, property tax bill, payroll check OR verification by parent/guardian.

[Social security] - The SSA site says you have to prove U.S. citizenship or document your immigration status. I know this is enforced from personal experience as I've had to fix a problem with my identity.

[Welfare] - Not in NH.

[food stamps] - Not in NH

[credit cards] - HIGHLY unlikely since you need a Social Security number to pass a credit check AND the banks have severely tightened their rules for qualifying.

[free health care] - Debatable. They can't turn you away from the emergency room in some case but nobody says how much they have to provide.

[free education] - Debatable. In NH, you have to prove residency in the community.

[lobbyist in Washington] - That's hardly the fault of the 'immigrant'. The lobbyist would be more accurately described as an opportunist trying to score points.

[public documents] - Not in NH. There's some in Spanish and French but not too many.

[the right to carry your country's flag while you protest] - Free speech is for everyone. However, here in NH, if you were to do that, we'd laugh at you

[thanks to ACORN - you can vote] - Locally, it's a bit too easy, for my taste, to get on the voter registration rolls. It's something I'd like to see tightened up.

[Guest]

Subject: Do I Have This Right?

Let's see-

If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years hard labor

If you cross the Iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely

If you cross the Afghan border illegally you get shot

If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally you will be jailed

If you cross the Chinese border illegally you may never be heard from
again

If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy

If you cross the Cuban border illegally you will be thrown into political
prison to rot

If you cross the US border illegally though you get:

a. a job

b. a drivers license

c. a social security card

d. welfare

e. food stamps

f.. credit cards

g. free health care

h. free education

i.. a lobbyist in Washington

j. a billion dollars worth of public documents printed in YOUR language

k. the right to carry your country's flag while you protest that you don't
get enough respect

l. and in many cases - thanks to ACORN - you can vote.

What's wrong with this picture???? DO NOT VOTE ENCUMBANTS IN!!!!!

All so true. Mostly enacted to favor the vote.

[Guest]

Well, here in New Hampshire, I'll speak towards your points..

[Job] - Nope. Well, you MIGHT be able to get a landscaping job under-the-table - but employers here are pretty strict about making sure you pass employment eligibility. Even McDonalds does it up here.

[Driver's License] - Fat bleeping chance. First you need either a U.S. birth certificate, U.S. Passport, U.S. Military ID or driver's license from another state. If you didn't supply a driver's license for the first part, you need one of 7 other forms of ID (divorce decree, state-issued non-driver's picture ID, State of NH employee ID, SSA card, etc). THEN you have to prove residencywith one or more of the following (many of which have to be less than 60 days old): A certified title or application that isn't marked "non resident", lease or rental agreement, mortgage statement who's address agrees with your other paperwork, utility bill with your name on it, property tax bill, payroll check OR verification by parent/guardian.

[Social security] - The SSA site says you have to prove U.S. citizenship or document your immigration status. I know this is enforced from personal experience as I've had to fix a problem with my identity.

[Welfare] - Not in NH.

[food stamps] - Not in NH

[credit cards] - HIGHLY unlikely since you need a Social Security number to pass a credit check AND the banks have severely tightened their rules for qualifying.

[free health care] - Debatable. They can't turn you away from the emergency room in some case but nobody says how much they have to provide.

[free education] - Debatable. In NH, you have to prove residency in the community.

[lobbyist in Washington] - That's hardly the fault of the 'immigrant'. The lobbyist would be more accurately described as an opportunist trying to score points.

[public documents] - Not in NH. There's some in Spanish and French but not too many.

[the right to carry your country's flag while you protest] - Free speech is for everyone. However, here in NH, if you were to do that, we'd laugh at you

[thanks to ACORN - you can vote] - Locally, it's a bit too easy, for my taste, to get on the voter registration rolls. It's something I'd like to see tightened up.


Just quickly as time is an issue today...

From Wisconsin news...

"A state lawmaker is concerned about a new push to provide illegal immigrants with a driver’s license.

A provision removed from the last state budget would have allowed illegal immigrants to apply for special driver cards, which would have made it legal for them to drive in Wisconsin. State Representative Scott Suder (R-Abbotsford) says it appears Democrats are making a push for the measure again, with a new version of the bill being circulated at the Capitol."

http://www.wrn.com/2010/01/another-look-at-driver-cards-for-illegal-immigrants/

From a few years ago but nothing much has changed....

"The open borders lobby routinely lobbies state legislatures to issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens as one of the keys to erasing the distinction between legal citizens and illegal aliens.

In the U.S., the drivers license is our de facto universal identification card. Yet many states do not thoroughly verify applicants' identities. Many states do not require a valid Social Security number to get a license and many will issue a state ID number for those without a Social Security number.

This makes it very easy for illegal aliens to obtain drivers licenses. These licenses become "breeder documents" which allow the recipient to obtain additional documents, based upon the false premise that he is a U.S. citizen. For example, all of the 9/11 hijackers had driver's licenses or state-issued non-driver's identification cards, which they then could use when opening bank accounts, renting housing, and boarding planes."

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/drivers_licenses.html

[Guest]

Something I heard a while back.

"Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmmacist'".

[Guest]

upon these illegals, undocumented or whatever you choose to call them. Population growth in the US native born as well as that in the other developed countries has stopped and is starting to turn negative in some of these countries. To put it in perspective, in 1900 the population of Europe, the US and Canada combine was about 30% of the world's population. Today, even adding in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan it is only 20%. By the year 2050 it will be down to 12% or less.

China will by then be a part of the developed world, but its population is entering a period of decline because of the one child per household law. Today 9 out of 10 children under the age of 15 live in underdeveloped countries – primarily in SE Asia, the Middle East and Africa. The impact of population shrinkage is starting to show up everywhere in the developed world. Birth rates are well below those needed to sustain the population. Japan, South Korea and most of Europe are in a decline that cannot be checked. The US is approaching that point. One of the underreported stories in this country is the decline in elementary middle and high school enrollment in many parts of this country including parts of Florida.

Our country is growing older. The baby-boom generation is entering retirement and we lack the trained people to replace them. If we do not have these people come into this country, who will do the following: (1) Maintain our lawns and shrubs? (2) harvest our crops? (3) work in the meat and chicken packing plants? (4) change our diapers in the nursing homes? (5) work in the construction trades and so on. We need these people every bit as they need us. We need to work out a immigration/guest worker program that lets both groups win. JMHO

[Guest]

upon these illegals, undocumented or whatever you choose to call them. Population growth in the US native born as well as that in the other developed countries has stopped and is starting to turn negative in some of these countries. To put it in perspective, in 1900 the population of Europe, the US and Canada combine was about 30% of the world's population. Today, even adding in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan it is only 20%. By the year 2050 it will be down to 12% or less.

China will by then be a part of the developed world, but its population is entering a period of decline because of the one child per household law. Today 9 out of 10 children under the age of 15 live in underdeveloped countries – primarily in SE Asia, the Middle East and Africa. The impact of population shrinkage is starting to show up everywhere in the developed world. Birth rates are well below those needed to sustain the population. Japan, South Korea and most of Europe are in a decline that cannot be checked. The US is approaching that point. One of the underreported stories in this country is the decline in elementary middle and high school enrollment in many parts of this country including parts of Florida.

Our country is growing older. The baby-boom generation is entering retirement and we lack the trained people to replace them. If we do not have these people come into this country, who will do the following: (1) Maintain our lawns and shrubs? (2) harvest our crops? (3) work in the meat and chicken packing plants? (4) change our diapers in the nursing homes? (5) work in the construction trades and so on. We need these people every bit as they need us. We need to work out a immigration/guest worker program that lets both groups win. JMHO


You make some good points but I immediately think of 10% unemployment and recall some jobs that my Dad and Uncles held for sometime during their life......I suppose there are jobs beneath the dignity of american citizens now !

[Guest]

Bucco, you're right to a point. No, we do not need these people. We just need to re-educate the ones here to the fact that honest, hard work is neither demeaning nor worthless. Not everyone can have a high paying job and a college degree because not everyone is college material. There was a time in America (to which you eluded, I believe) when having a job, any job, made you a good citizen and worthwhile in everyone's book. Americans who look down on their own who hold these "lesser" jobs are the ones at fault. Until their attitudes get an adjustment, things will probably only get worse not better.

As to welfare, I think that should be used to subsidize those willing to do the very low paying jobs. Those not willing to work, no welfare. There is an absolute difference in those who truly cannot work and those who will not work.

Some of the finest people I have ever know have been the janitors, nurses' aides, trash men, gardners, crop pickers, etc., none of which require degrees nor are they high paying.

[Guest]

Bucco, you're right to a point. No, we do not need these people. We just need to re-educate the ones here to the fact that honest, hard work is neither demeaning nor worthless. Not everyone can have a high paying job and a college degree because not everyone is college material. There was a time in America (to which you eluded, I believe) when having a job, any job, made you a good citizen and worthwhile in everyone's book. Americans who look down on their own who hold these "lesser" jobs are the ones at fault. Until their attitudes get an adjustment, things will probably only get worse not better.

As to welfare, I think that should be used to subsidize those willing to do the very low paying jobs. Those not willing to work, no welfare. There is an absolute difference in those who truly cannot work and those who will not work.

Some of the finest people I have ever know have been the janitors, nurses' aides, trash men, gardners, crop pickers, etc., none of which require degrees nor are they high paying.

I like no work no welfare. Both my parents were LEGAL immigrants. By the time they passed on they were very successful. However to get there they were janitors , gold miners , butcher and just handyman. Not knowing the language at first was a barrier but they succeeded. I don't ever remember them getting a handout. :agree::agree:

[Guest]

I favor taking away the birthright which will eliminate the anchor babies. But that being said. Why do we always aim the blame down? Most of these people come to the United States for a better life...much like my great-grandparents did. When they get here some employers take advantage of these undocumented workers by paying them less than the minimum wage, no benefits and dangerous working conditions. But we rail against only the workers what about the employers who profit on the backs of these people?

We have laws on the books which require employers to check for citizenship or a green card before hiring. Many don't.

I am for immigration reform but we need to look at the whole picture to resolve the problem.

[Guest]

I favor taking away the birthright which will eliminate the anchor babies. But that being said. Why do we always aim the blame down? Most of these people come to the United States for a better life...much like my great-grandparents did. When they get here some employers take advantage of these undocumented workers by paying them less than the minimum wage, no benefits and dangerous working conditions. But we rail against only the workers what about the employers who profit on the backs of these people?

We have laws on the books which require employers to check for citizenship or a green card before hiring. Many don't.

I am for immigration reform but we need to look at the whole picture to resolve the problem.

I fully agree with cracking down on employers. While not all illegals are being taken advantage of,many are. The elimination of 'anchor' babies will not happen since it requires a constitutional amendment and I doubt you could get the support of 2/3 of each house of congress and the approval of 38 of our 50 state legislatures.

According to the 2008 census, there are approximately 4,000,000 US citizens that are the children of illegals. Splitting these children from their parents is a nearly impossible task. They are US citizens and have the right to live here even if we choose to deport their parents and illegal siblings, if any.

As you noted, we need to be realistic about the situation. Most estimates put the number of illegals at over 20,000,000. Before we start rounding people up we need to determine where we will house them, how we will identify their home country, how we get their country to agree to accept them back, how we will feed them and provide the necessities of life, accommodate all the legal appeals and transport these people back to their homeland.

Then we would need to help deal with providing the necessities of life for the equivalent of three Haiti's. I'm not sure it can be done but I am sure that if we embark on this course of action, we will see riots that make those following the MLK assassination look like a walk in the park. We must find a better way.