Adult Children living in The Villages. Why?

[Chi33]

This is something that I have an opinion about and I don't know what others think.

This forum is very caring, loving, and sometimes don't see the problem with common sense things. Don't attack me as it is true. Been seeing some crime lately that points to adult children living in The Villages.

So...

Why are there adult children living with retired people in The Villages?

Now my thoughts and I am sure people will see both sides.

First, if the adult child is mentally ill to the point they cannot live on there own. Not all mentally ill people have to live at home. And, and, and, WHY would you MOVE to The Villages, the adult Disneyland, if you have to be a caretaker for the child? Not like there is good medical care in the area.

Second, the adult child who is going through some bad luck. Still, no. Get them motivated. There are no jobs here and they will keep living off your generosity and care for them. However, if you care for them, get them an apartment in Gainesville where there are more jobs so they can get back to the norm. They will only milk you for all your money and guilt you if you resist.

Third, the adult child who is the caretaker for an old villager. Well, if you are homebound, why would you want to live in the villages. If you are homebound then most likely money is tight, and this isn't the place. Also, bad healthcare here. And, what work will the adult child do while being a caretaker. Well, if they have a job then the villager doesn't need a caretaker.

Fourth. I don't know a fourth. I don't see a problem with a 30 year old BUYING a home here. That would mean they have a vested interest in The Villagers, however all the others are either using the villager, guilting the villager or there is a better place to live. It isn't here.

So, to conclude.
No jobs.
Bad healthcare.
Crime goes up.
Mostly other people are over 60 years old.

No good can come from an adult child living in The Villages.

Okay, let the hate begin. I wonder if there is anyone on my side?

[JSR22]

The rule is 19 and over can live here full time.

[Jetakai]

I thought the rule was 55 and over. I am a single female hoping to retire to the Villages. I want an over 55 community where I feel safe. I am so tired of 20 somethings sitting on their cars outside my home with their music cranked to oblivion because it is daytime and nothing can be done. I am tired of the petty theft of bikes, and tipped over trash cans, and smashed in mailboxes from mailbox baseball. I want away from "strafing" where kids on bikes race at you as fast as possible and then lock their brakes spraying gravel. There is nothing you can do but hide inside, as they don't "hurt" you. Police do nothing. I am tired of my sweet peas trellis' being torn down because the kids jump them, and of trying to go shopping when some millennial shoves past me and mutters "old biach" or something worse. I have a recumbent bike I am getting rid of because when I rode it, the millennials wanted to try it. I said no because it was to exercise my leg and I had no insurance. The next day I came home from work and all 3 tires were slashed.

You may love your kids/grandkids but they don't act the same when they are outside your watchful eye. I want to live some place I feel safe, with people who understand when I speak and who don't use the F word as an adjective, subject, verb, adverb and predicate all in the same sentence.

I'm sorry I don't want to be around your kids, but why would you move to an over 55 community and hurt other people by bringing them? Just move to a normal neighborhood where your kids fit in.

[Marathon Man]

The rule is 19 and over can live here full time.

Correct. The problem is not that they are allowed to live here. The problem is that many don't know it until they have purchased and moved in. Then the feeling of betrayal sets in: "Why didn't somebody tell me."

... I wonder if there is anyone on my side?

Why take sides about something that is allowed by law.

[JSR22]

Correct. The problem is not that they are allowed to live here. The problem is that many don't know it until they have purchased and moved in. Then the feeling of betrayal sets in: "Why didn't somebody tell me."



Why take sides about something that is allowed by law.

When we bought we knew that people 19 and up could live here. I know people of many different ages and I do not have a problem with any of them living here. People need to research before paying hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[Marathon Man]

I thought the rule was 55 and over. I am a single female hoping to retire to the Villages. I want an over 55 community where I feel safe. I am so tired of 20 somethings sitting on their cars outside my home with their music cranked to oblivion because it is daytime and nothing can be done. I am tired of the petty theft of bikes, and tipped over trash cans, and smashed in mailboxes from mailbox baseball. I want away from "strafing" where kids on bikes race at you as fast as possible and then lock their brakes spraying gravel. There is nothing you can do but hide inside, as they don't "hurt" you. Police do nothing. I am tired of my sweet peas trellis' being torn down because the kids jump them, and of trying to go shopping when some millennial shoves past me and mutters "old biach" or something worse. I have a recumbent bike I am getting rid of because when I rode it, the millennials wanted to try it. I said no because it was to exercise my leg and I had no insurance. The next day I came home from work and all 3 tires were slashed.

You may love your kids/grandkids but they don't act the same when they are outside your watchful eye. I want to live some place I feel safe, with people who understand when I speak and who don't use the F word as an adjective, subject, verb, adverb and predicate all in the same sentence.

I'm sorry I don't want to be around your kids, but why would you move to an over 55 community and hurt other people by bringing them? Just move to a normal neighborhood where your kids fit in.

Everyone sees 55+ and assumes that means 55+ ONLY. That is not the case here in The Villages. There are a lot of under 55 living here. Not just living with a parent, but a many under 55 year olds own and live here. It is not a "retirement" community. It is a deed restricted community that allows permanent residence to anyone over 18 and up to 20% of the homes can be owned by under 55 YO people.

[graciegirl]

I thought the rule was 55 and over. I am a single female hoping to retire to the Villages. I want an over 55 community where I feel safe. I am so tired of 20 somethings sitting on their cars outside my home with their music cranked to oblivion because it is daytime and nothing can be done. I am tired of the petty theft of bikes, and tipped over trash cans, and smashed in mailboxes from mailbox baseball. I want away from "strafing" where kids on bikes race at you as fast as possible and then lock their brakes spraying gravel. There is nothing you can do but hide inside, as they don't "hurt" you. Police do nothing. I am tired of my sweet peas trellis' being torn down because the kids jump them, and of trying to go shopping when some millennial shoves past me and mutters "old biach" or something worse. I have a recumbent bike I am getting rid of because when I rode it, the millennials wanted to try it. I said no because it was to exercise my leg and I had no insurance. The next day I came home from work and all 3 tires were slashed.

You may love your kids/grandkids but they don't act the same when they are outside your watchful eye. I want to live some place I feel safe, with people who understand when I speak and who don't use the F word as an adjective, subject, verb, adverb and predicate all in the same sentence.

I'm sorry I don't want to be around your kids, but why would you move to an over 55 community and hurt other people by bringing them? Just move to a normal neighborhood where your kids fit in.

Yes, 55+ Age-Restricted Communities Are Legal | 55places.com Blog (https://www.55places.com/blog/yes-age-restricted-communities-are-legal)

[Chi33]

let me bring this thread BACK. You all are sidetracking.

I know the rule is 19 and over. But going over 35 MPH is a rule on Morse Avenue but how many of you follow that.

And I don't mind if a 19 year old buys here as long as his children aren't here.

My problem is I don't WANT to deal with other people's problems or situations.

Plus, my question is WHY, not that its okay to do.

Okay, go back to talking about something else.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Everyone sees 55+ and assumes that means 55+ ONLY. That is not the case here in The Villages. There are a lot of under 55 living here. Not just living with a parent, but a many under 55 year olds own and live here. It is not a "retirement" community. It is a deed restricted community that allows permanent residence to anyone over 18 and up to 20% of the homes can be owned by under 55 YO people.

The Fair Housing Act provides exemptions that allow a community to de facto discriminate based on age without de jure discrimination. The exemptions are administered by HUD

In order to qualify for the "55 or older" housing exemption, a facility or community must satisfy each of the following requirements:

At least 80 percent of the units must have at least one occupant who is 55 years of age or older; and

The facility or community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate the intent to operate as "55 or older" housing; and

The facility or community must comply with HUD's regulatory requirements for age verification of residents.

If the community fails to document/verify, they lose the exemption and after that, families with multiple rugrats can move in by the zillions.

[Polar Bear]

...Okay, let the hate begin. I wonder if there is anyone on my side?
“Begin”? You must mean continue, right? Since you’ve already started it.

[dewilson58]

Why are there adult children living with retired people in The Villages?



No good can come from an adult child living in The Villages.



We are all adult children aren't we??

We are adults, we are someone's child.

:ohdear:

[jane032657]

If you do not want to deal with other people's problems, then it does not matter where you live. People all come with baggage. You must have to pay extra at the airport for yours. Sounds like you have a lot of personal issues that keep you from being able to engage, have empathy, or accept. Hope you are not my neighbor, I have big dogs and you would not like them either.

[justjim]

Out of 125,000 residents how many are under age 55 - under 40 - 20 something??? I know there are no real statistics only educated guesses. My point is that the number is really very small especially in the age bracket of 20-50 years of age. We have lived in TV for 11 years plus (4 different Villages) and I just don’t see a problem whatsoever. It appears some are trying to make “something out of nothing”. Fore!

[crash]

The 55 applies to how old you need to buy a home not the age which you must be to live in the home.

[CWGUY]

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[CWGUY]

When we bought we knew that people 19 and up could live here. I know people of many different ages and I do not have a problem with any of them living here. People need to research before paying hundreds of thousands of dollars.



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[BobnBev]

No jobs in the villages, you've got to be kidding. With all the construction going on, anybody that wants to work, can get a job.

[eweissenbach]

As is usually the case, gross generalizations about any class of people are full of misconceptions, half truths, distortion, and usually venom. Gracie's daughter is a positive and valuable influence to the community and I am fairly certain that there are many many others. There are obviously some that cause problems, but that is probably a small minority. I agree to an extent that most adult children should be self sufficient, but to paint all with the broad brush of no-accounts and leeches is unfair and to paint all their parents as enablers and weaklings is wrong, and frankly, bigoted.

[skyking]

The 55 applies to how old you need to buy a home not the age which you must be to live in the home.

The Villages (developer) will only sell a new home if someone over 55 will be occupying the house. The intent is to maintain the 80% over 55 requirement for an age restricted development. You can resell your house to anyone over 18.

[Fraugoofy]

I thought the rule was 55 and over. I am a single female hoping to retire to the Villages. I want an over 55 community where I feel safe. I am so tired of 20 somethings sitting on their cars outside my home with their music cranked to oblivion because it is daytime and nothing can be done. I am tired of the petty theft of bikes, and tipped over trash cans, and smashed in mailboxes from mailbox baseball. I want away from "strafing" where kids on bikes race at you as fast as possible and then lock their brakes spraying gravel. There is nothing you can do but hide inside, as they don't "hurt" you. Police do nothing. I am tired of my sweet peas trellis' being torn down because the kids jump them, and of trying to go shopping when some millennial shoves past me and mutters "old biach" or something worse. I have a recumbent bike I am getting rid of because when I rode it, the millennials wanted to try it. I said no because it was to exercise my leg and I had no insurance. The next day I came home from work and all 3 tires were slashed.

You may love your kids/grandkids but they don't act the same when they are outside your watchful eye. I want to live some place I feel safe, with people who understand when I speak and who don't use the F word as an adjective, subject, verb, adverb and predicate all in the same sentence.

I'm sorry I don't want to be around your kids, but why would you move to an over 55 community and hurt other people by bringing them? Just move to a normal neighborhood where your kids fit in.I bought my first home in TV at age 42. I am now 50...and still live here.

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[queasy27]

As is usually the case, gross generalizations about any class of people are full of misconceptions, half truths, distortion, and usually venom. Gracie's daughter is a positive and valuable influence to the community and I am fairly certain that there are many many others. There are obviously some that cause problems, but that is probably a small minority. I agree to an extent that most adult children should be self sufficient, but to paint all with the broad brush of no-accounts and leeches is unfair and to paint all their parents as enablers and weaklings is wrong, and frankly, bigoted.

Thanks, Ed. I always appreciate your thoughtful, kind, and intelligent comments.

When I see arrest reports for Villagers under 55 in the online news, I have no idea if they live with their parents or not. Why would anyone assume they do?

There are plenty of arrest reports for 55+ Villagers who are impaired by alcohol and/or drugs or who indulge in a bit of domestic violence or theft. Not sure why the misdeeds of one age group should bother me more than the other or make me uncomfortable to live here.

[CFrance]

We are all adult children aren't we??

We are adults, we are someone's child.

:ohdear:
Ha! I much prefer your oversimplification to chi33's oversimplification:clap2:

[eweissenbach]

The Villages (developer) will only sell a new home if someone over 55 will be occupying the house. The intent is to maintain the 80% over 55 requirement for an age restricted development. You can resell your house to anyone over 18.

Not true. The Villages is waaaay over 80% senior occupancy and in no danger of violating the guidelines. If you are over nineteen, and have the money, and/or excellent credit they will sell you a home.

[dewilson58]

I bought my first home in TV at age 42. I am now 50...and still live here.

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You just haven't been caught.

:MOJE_whot:

:a040:

:ohdear:

[dewilson58]

I wonder if there is anyone on my side?


500 Views and no one is. That's a pretty good indication.

:1rotfl:

[thomp679]

There seems to be a few (hopefully its just a few) that missed the tagline for The Villages which is 'America's Friendliest Hometown'.

It doesn't take much effort to search this forum to raise question to this tag.

Here is what I have seen just in the last few weeks that questions that tagline:

-Adult children should not live with their parents regardless of reason
-People that look like this (poster included a picture of a hispanic man mowing) should not work here,
-Snowbirds,
-Gypsies
-Prisoners are too close to us
-NFL players are criminals and do not respect law enforcement
-Nike products should be boycotted because they support Colin -Kaepernick
-NFL should be boycotted because players are protesting oppresion on their community (or is it the National Anthem)

It would be so nice if we could just look in the mirror and try to do better.

[Chi33]

Again, the question wasn't if it is legal. The question was WHY WOULD someone want their ADULT CHILD to live with them in The Villages.

If someone buys the home until 55... well, that is cool because you have an interest in keeping up with community standards. I know it is 19 of over, however with that being the case, why are the mailbox swimming pools 35 and over?

So, as jimmermac said, you will mostly have the bleeding L base who shout. They will shout down everything. The others wait and then just vote. (this isn't political, its a way of how someone lives their life).

As to thomp679, well, negative news is what people want to debate. There is no debate in positive news unless it is politically motivated.

And the person who mentioned the jobs in construction... well, have you seen some of the adult children in the golf carts? Do they look like construction workers to you? As to people mentioning the crime being more seniors then adult kids; that is just silly. IN the world in general everyone knows there was more crimes commented by people under 35 then by people over 55. Based on DOJ stats (I looked it up) close to 22 of out of every person ages 35-39 commits a violent crime however about 3 of every 1000 people ages 65 or over commit a violent crime. That is 8 fold more (is that how it is said?)

(I do read the posts)

[firebiker]

There are lots of reasons why an adult child lives with their parent(s). Shame on you for being judgmental.

[redwitch]

My daughter cane with me from California and lived with me for a year. During that year, she worked, saved her money, paid me nominal rent, helped our neighbors as much as she could. Our street was sad when she moved out. She was barely 19.

A friend’s daughter moved in with her parents when her job was downsized. She got a job with Villages Recreation, literally saved two peoples’ lives when they heart attacks at her rec center. She also helped her father take care of her mother whose cancer had come back. I don’t know if she still lives here. She is definitely an asset to whatever community she lives in. She is in her late 30’s or early 40’s.

A former client welcomed their son home after he got out of the military. He had serious PTSD. He stayed with them for a few years while he recovered. He now lives near TV. He was known in his neighborhood to help anyone with repairs, heavy lifting, etc. He was quiet and kind. He was in his 20’s.

A kid who worked for me lived with his grandfather. He moved here because of a drug problem (meth). He was hard-working, always showed up on time, polite to clients and their neighbors. He ultimately moved back home. Again, he was an asset while here.

Tal lives with his parents. He helps them by running errands, etc. From what I can tell, his neighbors have no issue with him living here.

As has been mentioned, Gracie’s Helene lives with them and always will. Helene is one of the kindest, most loving people I have ever had the honor to know. We could all do well to take lessons from Helene.

Yes, there are some problem children here. Yes, some do get arrested. So do some well over 65 folks. However, I’d say the majority of under 55 residents are an asset to our community.

[aninjamom]

To answer one question; I'm sure people have moved here and then found themselves accommodating an adult child for one reason or another. For one thing; we are all aging, and at some point might need assistance from our children. I do agree with the opinion some "kids" need to be firmly relocated! However, I presently have an adult child living with me, who is attempting to finish college, works full time, and would love to move out if they could just find reliable roommates so they could afford to. Despite what the "news" site implies, I'm sure the deadbeat creeps are the exception, not the rule. And from what I've seen and heard in TV, age does not define behavior!

[Vikingjunior]

Most of the Villages property is open to the public anyway so what's the difference.

[jane032657]

There seems to be a few (hopefully its just a few) that missed the tagline for The Villages which is 'America's Friendliest Hometown'.

It doesn't take much effort to search this forum to raise question to this tag.

Here is what I have seen just in the last few weeks that questions that tagline:

-Adult children should not live with their parents regardless of reason
-People that look like this (poster included a picture of a hispanic man mowing) should not work here,
-Snowbirds,
-Gypsies
-Prisoners are too close to us
-NFL players are criminals and do not respect law enforcement
-Nike products should be boycotted because they support Colin -Kaepernick
-NFL should be boycotted because players are protesting oppresion on their community (or is it the National Anthem)

It would be so nice if we could just look in the mirror and try to do better.

So very true. Thank you.

All The Villages is, is a place you can live to retire with all its offerings.

It is not an isolated community with walls, to only have the people you want to live by. Judging why adult children live with their folks is really not any of our rights. There are owners and owners with children who create problems, just like any other community. There are a lot of drunk, thieving, driving under the influence, violent old folks here. There are parents who have chosen to love their children with special needs and live as a family unit rather than place their loved ones in a group home or other place that does not offer the support and trust and love that home does. There are any myriad of reasons why adult children live with their senior parents. And one of the greatest things ever when you are very senior is to be able to stay in your own home with support, I have operated assisted livings, five star assisted livings, and no matter what they sell you to move in, it is not like home. People are lonely and sad and isolated and missing family. Lucky for those who have loving children to stay with them and sad for those few whose adult children abuse them in various ways. Not my business to judge who moves here, and why younger people come, and not yours either.

If there is crime, that is what we fund the Sherriff's department to deal with. I wonder why you would live here if you want to choose who your neighbors are. I do not know where you could live, but there are lots of realtors, so call one and go find your utopia. I am glad we have diversity of age, culture, race and LGBTQ, and some younger folks and grandchildren that visit and dance and breathe life into the squares, and not just a lot of us senior aged people who deserve our lifestyle, but do not deserve to live in a cocoon where we dictate who should and should not reside here. As Mr. Rogers said, we are the people in the neighborhood, all of us!

[claricecolin]

Why? I will tell you my story of why and it wasn't my choice. My parents moved here in 2001 and all was good. By 2004 my son was in college doing well and I started New job in a new state and all was good.

In 2010 Mom got sick, she fought hard for 2 years and died in 2012. That was 2 years coming down here at drop of a hat, I have no siblings and son was in grad school.

Well Dad can't cope. He was always a highly functioning alcohol and used Mom's death as an excuse. So who is left to "fix" this? Being here, under stress has caused serious physical issues. I asked for help but since he's not a problem alcoholic was told there is nothing to be done. This spring he finally landed in hospital and was bad enough mentally for me to activate POA. He can't live alone, as of now can barely leave him for more than a few hours.

I am moving him to assisted living in October. I have sold the house with the closing in November. I will be glad to just come visit Dad here, he refuses NY. I never wanted to live here, visit yes.

So please, unless you know the circumstances do not paint all under 55 with the same brush.

[graciegirl]

As is usually the case, gross generalizations about any class of people are full of misconceptions, half truths, distortion, and usually venom. Gracie's daughter is a positive and valuable influence to the community and I am fairly certain that there are many many others. There are obviously some that cause problems, but that is probably a small minority. I agree to an extent that most adult children should be self sufficient, but to paint all with the broad brush of no-accounts and leeches is unfair and to paint all their parents as enablers and weaklings is wrong, and frankly, bigoted.

Thank you Ed. Our daughter is now 53 and retired from a long career at McDonalds. She is a treasure and a joy. We three are loving our life here in The Villages. She loves attending Ceramics and Crafts Class.

[eweissenbach]

Like many, if not most things on social media, this is an imagined and exaggerated problem. There are no gangs of 40 somethings roaming TV and causing havoc. There are relatively few, isolated incidences of children of Villagers causing problems, which most of us would never know about but for the news site that may not be mentioned. I have not seen an incidence of these kinds of problems in nine years of being a snowbird in TV. Oh Oh, now I'm going to get attacked for being a snow---d.

[bilcon]

Right on Brother. Leave your excess baggage home when you move here. Cut the strings and let your loser children fend for themselves. Your enabling is probably the reason they follow you here. I taught school for 37 years and my wife taught for 43 years. I want to be with grownups. Is that so wrong? I love my grandchildren and can't wait to see them on their visits, but don't think about moving here.

[dewilson58]

There are lots of reasons why an adult child lives with their parent(s). Shame on you for being judgmental.

Good, straight to the point response.

Some posters come on just to be trolls and see how many he/she can irritate. The OP was not looking for support, he/she was just trying to get attention.

Hope everyone on ToTV has a great evening.

:coolsmiley:

[graciegirl]

There seems to be a few (hopefully its just a few) that missed the tagline for The Villages which is 'America's Friendliest Hometown'.

It doesn't take much effort to search this forum to raise question to this tag.

Here is what I have seen just in the last few weeks that questions that tagline:

-Adult children should not live with their parents regardless of reason
-People that look like this (poster included a picture of a hispanic man mowing) should not work here,
-Snowbirds,
-Gypsies
-Prisoners are too close to us
-NFL players are criminals and do not respect law enforcement
-Nike products should be boycotted because they support Colin -Kaepernick
-NFL should be boycotted because players are protesting oppresion on their community (or is it the National Anthem)

It would be so nice if we could just look in the mirror and try to do better.

We will not and cannot agree on all things as a group of 120,000. I know the majority of people reading this will not agree with your entire post.. That doesn't make you wrong or the other side wrong. I just found out what dog whistle means and I have been meaning to call it on someone. I call it on you. I am so sick of having the politically correct police called on so many things I could throw up on your shoes.

I don't think Chi33 meant that he didn't think that adult children shouldn't ever live with their parents here. I don't think that is what he meant at all. Many people have talked about the younger than most Villagers people who are seen as mugshots on the online news. Yes, there are certainly old ones too.

There is a nationwide epidemic of folks with "failure to launch". Not sure why. They are indeed loved by their folks, but not so much by other people if they cause trouble in the community. I think most children who live with their parents here are wonderful. I can name twenty right away who do jobs that are so needed by the over 55 community. They are not only enjoyed by their parents but by the rest of us.

If you seek out bad you will find it. If you seek out good you will find that too. Most of us try hard to be good people. Sometimes we don't say it right. There is a lot of that going on.

[kathyspear]

Thank you Ed. Our daughter is now 53 and retired from a long career at McDonalds. She is a treasure and a joy. We three are loving our life here in The Villages. She loves attending Ceramics and Crafts Class.

Gracie:

Which of you is the artist? Lovely drawing. I so envy people with artistic talent.

kathy

[Taltarzac725]

Well I have been here since 2005. I moved with my parents from Palm Harbor, FL at age 46. We have been in Florida since 1996.

I could write a book about why I am here. It is a very long and an extremely well documented story. Interwoven between me getting four degrees in five states while attending five schools. Most of these degrees were funded by Scholarships, a Stipend Grant, work/study, and jobs within the professions I was training to go into. As well as a few loans.

It would make a great movie. Quite violent in some parts, unfortunately. But with a lot of humanism and I hope thoughtful philosophical musings.

I do have some very interesting hobbies. Something I pay to do but it could result in income at some later date.

[ColdNoMore]

“Begin”? You must mean continue, right? Since you’ve already started it.

Bravo! :ho:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that "adult children," are simply part of a long list of people...that the OP doesn't think should be 'allowed' to live here. :ohdear:

[patfla06]

Situations happen and many times your kids need to
come home for a time until they get back on their feet.
I don’t think most of us would accept our kids being homeless or struggling.

That being said, if they need to come live with you there have to be rules of what you expect such as working and being self supporting.

The problem becomes when the adult child has psychological problems, drug or alcohol dependency,
or are threatening in any way.

I cannot imagine being in that situation but feel a lot of empathy for those that are.

There is a fine line though of what is acceptable. When you physically threaten your parents they should no longer be living with you.

In many cases tough love is needed and warranted.

[manaboutown]

If I were not a caregiver to my parent(s) or my parent(s) a caregiver to me, and if I were an under 55 an adult, a senior community would be the last place I would want to reside as a single man.

[Chi33]

I love all your comments.

Gracie, you get me again. Thanks. I understand that there are circumstances. I read almost daily though of the adult children who lives at home being in the crime news. And then, in the comments are basically people like me saying 'why'? There should be a support club for Villagers who have healthy adult children living with them, then as patfla06 said, 'in many cases tough love is needed...' In a group, they could learn from others how far to go.

Now, I read about all the younger ones who helped the neighborhood, etc. I have a friend and one of her son's just got divorced. He pays child support, so who supports him... my friend the mother. Can't tell her anything because you will get 'that is my son, I have to do it'. Well, she bought him a new home, a car, he works, and still asks her for things.

There was also another one down the street from me who tried to rob a country club...

Yesterday there was a 29 yr old who took a knife to his mother because he wanted more money.

Yes, it all depends on the situations. No solution here. Doesn't hurt anyone to discuss though as it isn't a taboo subject.

[Nucky]

This is something that I have an opinion about and I don't know what others think.

This forum is very caring, loving, and sometimes don't see the problem with common sense things. Don't attack me as it is true. Been seeing some crime lately that points to adult children living in The Villages.

So...

Why are there adult children living with retired people in The Villages?

Now my thoughts and I am sure people will see both sides.

First, if the adult child is mentally ill to the point they cannot live on there own. Not all mentally ill people have to live at home. And, and, and, WHY would you MOVE to The Villages, the adult Disneyland, if you have to be a caretaker for the child? Not like there is good medical care in the area.

Second, the adult child who is going through some bad luck. Still, no. Get them motivated. There are no jobs here and they will keep living off your generosity and care for them. However, if you care for them, get them an apartment in Gainesville where there are more jobs so they can get back to the norm. They will only milk you for all your money and guilt you if you resist.

Third, the adult child who is the caretaker for an old villager. Well, if you are homebound, why would you want to live in the villages. If you are homebound then most likely money is tight, and this isn't the place. Also, bad healthcare here. And, what work will the adult child do while being a caretaker. Well, if they have a job then the villager doesn't need a caretaker.

Fourth. I don't know a fourth. I don't see a problem with a 30 year old BUYING a home here. That would mean they have a vested interest in The Villagers, however all the others are either using the villager, guilting the villager or there is a better place to live. It isn't here.

So, to conclude.
No jobs.
Bad healthcare.
Crime goes up.
Mostly other people are over 60 years old.

No good can come from an adult child living in The Villages.

Okay, let the hate begin. I wonder if there is anyone on my side?

So where is the place that run's the way you would like? There must be an example that you have in mind, please enlighten us. :ohdear:

[Chi33]

So where is the place that run's the way you would like? There must be an example that you have in mind, please enlighten us. :ohdear:

Good question. I don't know. Are you asking because you have a place for me to consider?

:bigbow:

[tophcfa]

As is usually the case, gross generalizations about any class of people are full of misconceptions, half truths, distortion, and usually venom. Gracie's daughter is a positive and valuable influence to the community and I am fairly certain that there are many many others. There are obviously some that cause problems, but that is probably a small minority. I agree to an extent that most adult children should be self sufficient, but to paint all with the broad brush of no-accounts and leeches is unfair and to paint all their parents as enablers and weaklings is wrong, and frankly, bigoted.

I agree with the above post, but also see some merit in the OP's post, in that there are some bad apples in the bin that can ruin the Villages experience for those unlucky enough to have to endure the unfortunate experience of having a rouge offspring of a Villager move into the neighborhood and become a fly in the ointment. No doubt the bad apples are few and far between, but when one lands in your lap it certainly is not what one signed up for.

[mamamia54]

Jetakai, where do you live? By the things you are posting that are happening where you live, even with adult children, the Villages sounds like a much better place. I’m not putting you down, I’m just saying your post makes it sound very dangerous.

[Villagevip]

I think the powers that be, should encourage more young single women to reside in The Villages...There should be a bank mortgage program to help "qualified" single women finacially become homeowners in The Villages..This Program, might be called "Lets beautify The Villages Incentive"..The Villages may offer extra good paying jobs, like dancing at the squares ...

[Taltarzac725]

I think the powers that be, should encourage more young single women to reside in The Villages...There should be a bank mortgage program to help "qualified" single women finacially become homeowners in The Villages..This Program, might be called "Lets beautify The Villages Incentive"..The Villages may offer extra good paying jobs, like dancing at the squares ...

At least that is funny. :popcorn:

[Topspinmo]

I know couple under 55 living with there pre-nursing home parents. They to are sacrificing for they're parents and you rarely here about the compassionate care givers. It's the drunks, drug attic, meth heads that's probably been following mommy coat tails since dropping out of high school. But, as we all know our own kids are little angels and nothing will change our minds no matter what they do. :ohdear:

Rules? Don't need no stinking rules! rules are suggestions?:popcorn:

Just like the someone that got 4 kids on deed. So that 5 parties with basically legally living under one roof. Guess I'll put my 9 cousins on my deed that way they can all get ids and use my ammenties. NOT!:popcorn:

IMO ammenties should be based on how many card carriers in household. So, if you got 8 on you're deed then u pay 8 times the rate:welcome:

[Lovey2]

“Begin”? You must mean continue, right? Since you’ve already started it.

Kinda what I was thinking....

[skip0358]

I would hope that ANYBODY buying here went online and researched the place including the rules before they moved here. That being said yes the younger one's move here some staying with parents because the cost of living while affordable to most retirees is not so easy on the younger ones. Rent outside is not cheap and when you factor in all the other costs associated with living here Mom & Pops place is a bargain. As for them being a problem to some I do believe we have our fair share of older people living here fall into that same boat. Look what a waiter, waitress, Bar Tender make then look at how cheap some people are in tipping them. Ask these people or look online and see what the pay is around here. Could you live on those salaries ? I think not. I have no problem with ANYONE legally allowed living here as long as they tow the line old or young ! JMO

[C4Boston]

My opinion, for what it is worth, 98% of adult children residing here are good, law abiding people who are assisting an elder or being assisted by a parent. A very small portion of these residents may cause issues. If there are on-going issues with certain residents The Villages should be allowed to trespass those folks and say you are no longer welcome, similar to Walmart trespassing repeat shoplifters.

[Chi33]

You know, the trespassing thought is something that I feel is spot on, great suggestion IMHO. If anything, it would discourage people from acting out knowing the loss.

[jane032657]

So ridiculous. The Villages is not a department store. It is a community like any other. For heaven's sakes, child sex offenders live here, the lowest on the human chain. Get real and get a realtor.

[Nucky]

Good question. I don't know. Are you asking because you have a place for me to consider?

:bigbow:

Not at all. What happened to live and let live? This seems to be a problem that can't be wished away. If you want to call it a problem at all, I don't think it is. I think it is minding other peoples business.

ALL people have the choice of letting their kids Boomerang on them. I believe that once you have your children off the payroll so to speak you have a true accomplishment under your belt. I would never turn any of our kids or grandchildren away if they needed us. I would, however, follow the rules of The Villages because that is all I ever agreed to when I moved here. I never agreed to make my neighbors happy with who I let stay with me. All the men in our family have Tattoos, does that make us undesirable?

[dewilson58]

I wonder if there is anyone on my side?

UPDATE:

Nearly 2,100 views.

Nearly zero support.

:shocked:

[graciegirl]

You know, the trespassing thought is something that I feel is spot on, great suggestion IMHO. If anything, it would discourage people from acting out knowing the loss.

Unrealistic. People can't be trespassed from their own homes. Chi33, I forget if you live here? If so try to focus on the fact that The Villages has a very low crime rate. People have the right to have their children live with them. Our law enforcement which includes people from Sumter County Sheriff, Marion County Sheriff, Lady Lake Police, Fruitland Park Police and Wildwood Police all do a very good job responding and protecting.

Chi, remember when you did the thread of sitting in your car playing music? It was not understood. There are those who read and react to almost anything, (me) and those who read and react to anything that even has a whiff of something political, (me) and those who are in the great majority who simply read these forums and never post at all. (The smart ones) I learned early on that no matter what you write on this forum there will be someone diametrically opposed to it. I think that is the first amendment in full bloom. We do have moderators and they have to have the wisdom of Solomon and most times they do. All posters who have posted for some time have been disagreed with by other posters and deleted by the moderators.

I gotta say fella on this thread you ventured out half cocked and you got a lot of pushback...and I think you deserved it. We all get shot down on here. I think it is interesting to know how people feel about things, especially those who I don't agree with. I have had my mind changed on this forum, and there are posters that I frequently disagree with who I think are good, nice, caring people. I think we all are, most of the time.

[PennBF]

These notes actually provide an insight into the current respect for the law.Some say "so what", some say "Turn your head", some say "I don't care" and many more so whats. The basic is we all signed a Deed Compliance when we moved to The Villages. In them were some rules that ensured a peaceful life a life which we all wanted. I remember a very brilliant friend of mine who once said if the US made milk illegal he would take it out of his refrig. There are no excuses for violating the law or the rules that our pretty smart Developer set up to create such a wonderful community and life. To disregard these rule is to thumb your nose at your neighbors and the residents. What do you do if some say the heck with rules. You set up consequences for violating them. The same people who disregard the rules are the first ones to scream when their life is impacted by someone who violates them. :ohdear:

[jane032657]

No one has said to disregard the law. The covenants allow for people 19 and older to live here as long as 80% of the community is 55 and older. Otherwise, you can be 19 or 90 and buy a home. If you break the law, you suffer the consequences. But you cannot legislate parents having their children 19 and older living with them. You cannot decide what jobs they should have, or that they should live elsewhere, or what they do while they are here, as long as they follow the rules and the law like most of the community. We live with younger and older who do things that are disruptive, just like any other community. This is not utopia. It is The Villages, in the middle of Florida with open roads and restaurants and businesses and things will happen. The only bubble in life you get is your coffin.

[CFrance]

These notes actually provide an insight into the current respect for the law.Some say "so what", some say "Turn your head", some say "I don't care" and many more so whats. The basic is we all signed a Deed Compliance when we moved to The Villages. In them were some rules that ensured a peaceful life a life which we all wanted. I remember a very brilliant friend of mine who once said if the US made milk illegal he would take it out of his refrig. There are no excuses for violating the law or the rules that our pretty smart Developer set up to create such a wonderful community and life. To disregard these rule is to thumb your nose at your neighbors and the residents. What do you do if some say the heck with rules. You set up consequences for violating them. The same people who disregard the rules are the first ones to scream when their life is impacted by someone who violates them. :ohdear:


What law/rule is being broken/violated?

[EviesGP]

Let me just say...I'm new here(renting for a few months while trying to sell north and buy here), but I've been on TOTV for about a year or so. I've read many of these posts, and really have nothing more to add than what Ms Gracie has stated(in all her comments). I mainly came on here for advice and info for TV(which I was thoroughly impressed by both Gracie and the older gent(no longer with us?), as I refrain from opinions and politics on forums and social media. It never really ends well. I do not know the covenants or deed restrictions, but will certainly smarten up on them, when I/we buy. However, while travelling down 466 to Walmart, the first thing that struck me was "The Villages High School"? I'm assuming those aren't 19yr olds?

[paminix]

No one has said to disregard the law. The covenants allow for people 19 and older to live here as long as 80% of the community is 55 and older. Otherwise, you can be 19 or 90 and buy a home. If you break the law, you suffer the consequences. But you cannot legislate parents having their children 19 and older living with them. You cannot decide what jobs they should have, or that they should live elsewhere, or what they do while they are here, as long as they follow the rules and the law like most of the community. We live with younger and older who do things that are disruptive, just like any other community. This is not utopia. It is The Villages, in the middle of Florida with open roads and restaurants and businesses and things will happen. The only bubble in life you get is your coffin.

Wonderful. Especially your last sentence.

[skyking]

Let me just say...I'm new here(renting for a few months while trying to sell north and buy here), but I've been on TOTV for about a year or so. I've read many of these posts, and really have nothing more to add than what Ms Gracie has stated(in all her comments). I mainly came on here for advice and info for TV(which I was thoroughly impressed by both Gracie and the older gent(no longer with us?), as I refrain from opinions and politics on forums and social media. It never really ends well. I do not know the covenants or deed restrictions, but will certainly smarten up on them, when I/we buy. However, while travelling down 466 to Walmart, the first thing that struck me was "The Villages High School"? I'm assuming those aren't 19yr olds?

They don't live in TV. They are dependents of parents working in TV.

[graciegirl]

Let me just say...I'm new here(renting for a few months while trying to sell north and buy here), but I've been on TOTV for about a year or so. I've read many of these posts, and really have nothing more to add than what Ms Gracie has stated(in all her comments). I mainly came on here for advice and info for TV(which I was thoroughly impressed by both Gracie and the older gent(no longer with us?), as I refrain from opinions and politics on forums and social media. It never really ends well. I do not know the covenants or deed restrictions, but will certainly smarten up on them, when I/we buy. However, while travelling down 466 to Walmart, the first thing that struck me was "The Villages High School"? I'm assuming those aren't 19yr olds?

There is a Charter High School, and a Middle School, an Elementary School and a Preschool Center, all for children of employees who work in some capacity for The Villages. The buildings were built by the developer and the schools attract good parents who want to give a good education to their children. Many of us volunteer and tutor there.

[Bucco]

Let me just say...I'm new here(renting for a few months while trying to sell north and buy here), but I've been on TOTV for about a year or so. I've read many of these posts, and really have nothing more to add than what Ms Gracie has stated(in all her comments). I mainly came on here for advice and info for TV(which I was thoroughly impressed by both Gracie and the older gent(no longer with us?), as I refrain from opinions and politics on forums and social media. It never really ends well. I do not know the covenants or deed restrictions, but will certainly smarten up on them, when I/we buy. However, while travelling down 466 to Walmart, the first thing that struck me was "The Villages High School"? I'm assuming those aren't 19yr olds?

The primary purpose of the Charter School, etc. was to attract good professionals to The Villages, not necessarily for the residents.

Right at the turn of the century (about 2000) The Villages was growing and becoming known. We had only one town square at Spanish Springs and negotiations were under way to buy land south of 466 and continue southward. The Developer understood that he needed to attract professionals, having experienced the amount of work it took just to get any business in the area, thus this system was built.

[dewilson58]

The primary purpose of the Charter School, etc. was to attract good professionals to The Villages, not necessarily for the residents.

Right at the turn of the century (about 2000) The Villages was growing and becoming known. We had only one town square at Spanish Springs and negotiations were under way to buy land south of 466 and continue southward. The Developer understood that he needed to attract professionals, having experienced the amount of work it took just to get any business in the area, thus this system was built.

That's crazy to think there was only one town square just a few years ago. Great planning and vision. Waiting on #4.

[Taltarzac725]

No one has said to disregard the law. The covenants allow for people 19 and older to live here as long as 80% of the community is 55 and older. Otherwise, you can be 19 or 90 and buy a home. If you break the law, you suffer the consequences. But you cannot legislate parents having their children 19 and older living with them. You cannot decide what jobs they should have, or that they should live elsewhere, or what they do while they are here, as long as they follow the rules and the law like most of the community. We live with younger and older who do things that are disruptive, just like any other community. This is not utopia. It is The Villages, in the middle of Florida with open roads and restaurants and businesses and things will happen. The only bubble in life you get is your coffin.

Very well said. And there are seniors who act sometimes as bad as the various under 55 year olds that make the news source that must not be named. Evil comes from people of almost every age.

[coffeebean]

The 55 applies to how old you need to buy a home not the age which you must be to live in the home.

The Villages is marketed as a retirement community. I just like the idea that young kids, below the age of 19, can not live here full time. That is the reason we purchased in The Villages.

[pbkmaine]

Since there is a little confusion about what the restrictions are in “55 or older” communities, here’s a link to HUD:

HUD.gov / U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) (https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/seniors)

The relevant language is: “At least 80 percent of the units must have at least one occupant who is 55 years of age or older”.

[skyking]

Not true. The Villages is waaaay over 80% senior occupancy and in no danger of violating the guidelines. If you are over nineteen, and have the money, and/or excellent credit they will sell you a home.

Coach, that wasn't true when I bought but maybe things have changed.

[Chi33]

UPDATE:

Nearly 2,100 views.

Nearly zero support.

:shocked:


Nearly zero on a liberal forum, go figure. The only reason others will not post their feelings are because they will get shouted down. I am able to see both sides and if you look at my posts, I actually agree with some people, however how many of the other posters can say that.

As to the Charter School, don't get me on that. If an adult child had to abide to their rules and standards then I would probably never have brought it up.

THIS:
Changes in Employment
It is the Parent/Legal Guardian’s responsibility to notify the Enrollment Office of changes in employment. Employment of the Parent/Legal Guardian is verified on a monthly basis. Our School Board Policy states that upon the loss of qualifying employment, the student is immediately not eligible for enrollment into The Villages Charter School (VCS). If you have not gained new employment, then you may petition the school board for continued enrollment until the end of the “school term”. “School Term” may be the 9-week grading period, the end of the Semester or other natural break in the school calendar.

Let me break that down in simple terms. Your children can only go to the school if you are employed with TV and it is checked every MONTH. If you lose your job (say fired) then your children lose all their school friends and have to go to the public school. If you get a better job, say in construction, but not with the villages, your children lose all their school friends and have to go to public school. Public school is worse than the charter school if you didn't know.

To tie this all in. There are adult children living here with their parents that are unable to take care of themselves and family doesn't want them in a hospital, which I completely understand. It is bringing the 30 year old, who can't even use the pools at the mailbox, to live with you. Rules, bah. This is The Villages, not Ocala.

:boom:

[dewilson58]

No good can come from an adult child living in The Villages.

Okay, let the hate begin. I wonder if there is anyone on my side?


UPDATE:

Over 3,000 views.

Still searching.

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[eweissenbach]

liberal forum,[/B] go figure. The only reason others will not post their feelings are because they will get shouted down. I am able to see both sides and if you look at my posts, I actually agree with some people, however how many of the other posters can say that.


:boom:

You think this is a LIBERAL FORUM? You must have never been on the political forum. :popcorn:

[Chi33]

You think this is a LIBERAL FORUM? You must have never been on the political forum. :popcorn:

The GENERAL forum is a liberal forum.

and 58... 3000 views, how many are from you? :icon_wink:

but let's stay on topic. When the answer to a question isn't want you want to say, it's always best to deflect.

The truth about adult children living in the villages is... well, you can't handle the truth.:shocked:

[JSR22]

There are several adult children in my neighborhood and not one of the is a problem.

[eweissenbach]

The GENERAL forum is a liberal forum.

and 58... 3000 views, how many are from you? :icon_wink:

but let's stay on topic. When the answer to a question isn't want you want to say, it's always best to deflect.

The truth about adult children living in the villages is... well, you can't handle the truth.:shocked:

Well, you are wrong about the forum just as you were mostly wrong about "adult children". It would seem to me that given the preponderance of feedback that you may be having a bit of trouble in handling the truth.

[manaboutown]

You could have a neighbor like this one. Don't know how old he is but count your blessings. Man Does Yard Work Naked, Neighbors Complain, Cops Say It’s Legal | Rare (https://rare.us/rare-news/across-the-u-s-a/florida-man-naked-yard-work/)

[dewilson58]

You could have a neighbor like this one. Don't know how old he is but count your blessings. Man Does Yard Work Naked, Neighbors Complain, Cops Say It’s Legal | Rare (https://rare.us/rare-news/across-the-u-s-a/florida-man-naked-yard-work/)

"You just can't make this stuff up."

[Bucco]

Well, you are wrong about the forum just as you were mostly wrong about "adult children". It would seem to me that given the preponderance of feedback that you may be having a bit of trouble in handling the truth.

Not just wrong......but....

VERY WRONG on both counts. Not even close on either count.

[Taltarzac725]

You could have a neighbor like this one. Don't know how old he is but count your blessings. Man Does Yard Work Naked, Neighbors Complain, Cops Say It’s Legal | Rare (https://rare.us/rare-news/across-the-u-s-a/florida-man-naked-yard-work/)

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/nudity-and-public-decency-laws-in-america-31193

I think we might need a second opinion on that.

[dewilson58]

Not sure that will stand up in court.

[Taltarzac725]

Not sure that will stand up in court.

Ummm, what? LOL

[Bucco]

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[ColdNoMore]

snip>Nearly zero on a liberal forum go figure. The only reason others will not post their feelings are because they will get shouted down....<snip

Say WHAT?! :22yikes:

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[CFrance]

You think this is a LIBERAL FORUM? You must have never been on the political forum. :popcorn:
:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[ColdNoMore]

Well, you are wrong about the forum just as you were mostly wrong about "adult children". It would seem to me that given the preponderance of feedback that you may be having a bit of trouble in handling the truth.

YEP.

:boom:

[ColdNoMore]

Not just wrong......but....

VERY WRONG on both counts. Not even close on either count.

Hilariously wrong. :1rotfl:

Given that probably at least 75%+ here shares his 'party', but he can't seem to find hardly any of them to agree on his adult children viewpoint...THAT speaks volumes. :popcorn:

[CFrance]

You have to wonder if we're all being provoked.

[graciegirl]

You have to wonder if we're all being provoked.

It is a frequently voiced complaint on this forum; adult children who are in trouble with the law living with their parents in The Villages. It is the same sequence every time...or close...…...


Bad kids mug shot discussed.
What are kids doing living in a over 55 community?
Not all adult kids are bad.
I thought there were restrictions here.
The 80-20 HUD guidelines are discussed.
Someone says that The Villages don't keep track.
Someone says, yes they do.
Someone says that people need to be more understanding.
Some say no they don't.
Someone says it is the monied rich that think they can do anything.
Someone else says it is the group with too much sympathy for losers.
Then it gets into politics.

I notice stuff.

[Nucky]

To the OP. If you had an adult child who needed your assistance would you turn them away because of the concern of crime in your community or would you do what most parents would do until they are taking a Dirt Nap and reach out and help your flesh and blood or adoptive or stepchild?

I still haven't found the community that doesn't work just like ours. I think here is pretty good.

[Cedwards38]

Because people don't turn away their children if the children need their help.

[jane032657]

Let me say, as a former foster parent to 55 special needs and high risk children, loving parents to not turn their children away. And if they do not have the capacity to help them, they work hard to find the support services that can. They do not abandon.

[billethkid]

As has been stated earlier we are all someboy's child!!!

As for dealing with other people's problems related to children (over 20 and less than 55) living here. I don't get it!!!!!

Before retiring and living where ever before coming to TV.....how much did you have to deal with other folk's issues/problems?

There is a generalization being made about what comes with folks under age 55 (or not).

If a resident of TV never saw the police blotter of the dot com news, they would not be aware of the wrong doings of the FEW.....the very, very FEW! And the residents lives would continue unaffected as it does for the other 98.67984% of us.

Years ago there was a discussion about a small town that was rumored to have increasing crime over the years. After a study it was determined there was no increase at all.....only more coverage and wider distribution......no change in anybody's life style other than the impression the "news" created!!!

As an aside, however related (almost) I do not subscribe to the dot com news mainly because so much of their coverage comes from the local police ledgers. You know what happens when you look at the side of an elephant through a straw??? The news reports the world is turning gray!!! Is it?

[perrjojo]

As has been stated earlier we are all someboy's child!!!

As for dealing with other people's problems related to children (over 20 and less than 55) living here. I don't get it!!!!!

Before retiring and living where ever before coming to TV.....how much did you have to deal with other folk's issues/problems?

There is a generalization being made about what comes with folks under age 55 (or not).

If a resident of TV never saw the police blotter of the dot com news, they would not be aware of the wrong doings of the FEW.....the very, very FEW! And the residents lives would continue unaffected as it does for the other 98.67984% of us.

Years ago there was a discussion about a small town that was rumored to have increasing crime over the years. After a study it was determined there was no increase at all.....only more coverage and wider distribution......no change in anybody's life style other than the impression the "news" created!!!

As an aside, however related (almost) I do not subscribe to the dot com news mainly because so much of their coverage comes from the local police ledgers. You know what happens when you look at the side of an elephant through a straw??? The news reports the world is turning gray!!! Is it?
I agree with your statement about “the other News site”. Can you imagine a large city posting every DUI and domestic dispute? The newspaper would look like a telephone book.

[ColdNoMore]

You have to wonder if we're all being provoked.

Nahh, based on previous posts...I think he's dead serious. :oops:


I also think that he should be more concerned regarding any future rules/regulations, banning adults over 55 in TV...who act like children. :popcorn:

[Nucky]

Nahh, based on previous posts...I think he's dead serious. :oops:


I also think that he should be more concerned regarding any future rules/regulations, banning adults over 55 in TV...who act like children. :popcorn:

It's going to snow or Hell is going to freeze over! :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

It's going to snow or Hell is going to freeze over! :ohdear:

Nahh, you're just maturing. :D



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[manaboutown]

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[VillageIdiots]

The Villages (developer) will only sell a new home if someone over 55 will be occupying the house. The intent is to maintain the 80% over 55 requirement for an age restricted development. You can resell your house to anyone over 18.

I've seen this stated over and over and even heard it from sales agents when I've visited open houses in the past. Maybe I can dispel this notion with my personal experience and not something I heard and am repeating. My parents moved here 8 years ago and I've wanted to move here since the first time I visited them. As soon as my youngest child turn 19 and moved out on his own, I sold my home and bought a home in The Villages earlier this year. I'm 53 and my wife was 50 at the time. We did not have to sign any agreements nor were we treated any differently than anyone else buying a home from "The Developer".

We all only get one set of natural parents. Some are also fortunate to have had loving parents by other means. I think it's great if someone is fortunate enough to move in and care for parents that may be in failing health. I feel sorry for anyone that is that fortunate and chooses not to do it. "Life" prohibits most of us from having that luxury. However, the issues, I see them, typically come from situations that rules or laws can't possibly prevent. And that is when "adult children" can't get their own life together and move in with their elderly parents because it's the only alternative to being homeless. The trouble starts when those individuals move in and bring their troubles along with them. Those troubles might be associations with others that have bad intentions, or maybe it's dependence on illegal substances, or maybe it's something else. If the parents can't help those adult children change their ways, they ought to send them down the highway. My children are welcome to come live with me anytime they are in need. But they will either set themselves on the right path, with my help or without, or they will not be allowed to stay. Call it tough love or whatever you'd like. I'm not going to be an enabler.

[eweissenbach]

I've seen this stated over and over and even heard it from sales agents when I've visited open houses in the past. Maybe I can dispel this notion with my personal experience and not something I heard and am repeating. My parents moved here 8 years ago and I've wanted to move here since the first time I visited them. As soon as my youngest child turn 19 and moved out on his own, I sold my home and bought a home in The Villages earlier this year. I'm 53 and my wife was 50 at the time. We did not have to sign any agreements nor were we treated any differently than anyone else buying a home from "The Developer".

We all only get one set of natural parents. Some are also fortunate to have had loving parents by other means. I think it's great if someone is fortunate enough to move in and care for parents that may be in failing health. I feel sorry for anyone that is that fortunate and chooses not to do it. "Life" prohibits most of us from having that luxury. However, the issues, I see them, typically come from situations that rules or laws can't possibly prevent. And that is when "adult children" can't get their own life together and move in with their elderly parents because it's the only alternative to being homeless. The trouble starts when those individuals move in and bring their troubles along with them. Those troubles might be associations with others that have bad intentions, or maybe it's dependence on illegal substances, or maybe it's something else. If the parents can't help those adult children change their ways, they ought to send them down the highway. My children are welcome to come live with me anytime they are in need. But they will either set themselves on the right path, with my help or without, or they will not be allowed to stay. Call it tough love or whatever you'd like. I'm not going to be an enabler.

Reasonable and compassionate viewpoint. As I said earlier, if you're over 19 and have the money and/or excellent credit they will sell you a home.

[billethkid]

From what I understand the 80-20 rule does not apply to resale homes.

[Bucco]

Reasonable and compassionate viewpoint. As I said earlier, if you're over 19 and have the money and/or excellent credit they will sell you a home.

ED, we have disagreements but I can ASSURE those who continue to discuss this, that if you have the money you can buy a house here regardless of age. You are correct.

Not because the law does not say what it says.....80% etc....but because The Villages has never had the fear of crossing that barrier and once the original owner dies and the will allows a child to inherit...they do not count.

Why the discussion is amazing.

On one thread, there was a short discussion on STEREOTYPING and this is typical.

There is a website that for some reason we must not mention BUT it is the genus of so many threads on here......but we do not gossip, do we.

The discussions center around how bad this person is or how bad such and such is and how "we" do so much better.

I say..stop stereotyping and gossiping......there are so many more "children" of residents living here that are mucho better citizens than many of those who speak of them in such a general sense.

We have a school designed to allow professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc) to come here and have this benefit of schooling...it was NOT set up for children of residents.

Welcome the children of Villagers...enjoy....you behave better than most of the residents. It is tough to pick your neighbors....I am not presenting a pollyanna scenario...sure there are troubles, but the damn LABELING and generalization we suffer through on here is just wrong.

[graciegirl]

From what I understand the 80-20 rule does not apply to resale homes.

I do not agree with this. It applies to all homes.

AND they do keep track. Anyone who has ever had to deal with federal restrictions on anything knows the paperwork that must be filed. A non profit has a lot of it as an example.

[graciegirl]

ED, we have disagreements but I can ASSURE those who continue to discuss this, that if you have the money you can buy a house here regardless of age. You are correct.

Not because the law does not say what it says.....80% etc....but because The Villages has never had the fear of crossing that barrier and once the original owner dies and the will allows a child to inherit...they do not count.

They do COUNT, but the 20% under 55 is far from being filled in.
Why the discussion is amazing.

On one thread, there was a short discussion on STEREOTYPING and this is typical.

There is a website that for some reason we must not mention BUT it is the genus of so many threads on here......but we do not gossip, do we.

The discussions center around how bad this person is or how bad such and such is and how "we" do so much better.

I say..stop stereotyping and gossiping......there are so many more "children" of residents living here that are mucho better citizens than many of those who speak of them in such a general sense.

We have a school designed to allow professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc) to come here and have this benefit of schooling...it was NOT set up for children of residents.

Welcome the children of Villagers...enjoy....you behave better than most of the residents. It is tough to pick your neighbors....I am not presenting a pollyanna scenario...sure there are troubles, but the damn LABELING and generalization we suffer through on here is just wrong.

The charter schools are for children of people employed by The Villages so a doctors child can go there and so can the child of a server at Cane Garden.

[Bucco]

I do not agree with this. It applies to all homes.

AND they do keep track. Anyone who has ever had to deal with federal restrictions on anything knows the paperwork that must be filed. A non profit has a lot of it as an example.

As long as the community demonstrates an intent to provide housing for occupants who are over 55, goes through the processes to verify their age, and has an 80% occupancy rate of those who meet the age-restriction, then the 20% is, legally speaking, for the community to do with as they please.

[Bucco]

The charter schools are for children of people employed by The Villages so a doctors child can go there and so can the child of a server at Cane Garden.

Is that not what I posted ????? (Actually posted on post #67 yesterday, but guess I am not a good wordsmith)

It was done at the time when expansion was coming for sure south of 466, and there were many many problems getting even store to open here.

To attract those professionals to work here the charter school was set up and actually has levels of eligibility.

Without that system, we would never have been able to grow at such a pace. This development has been masterfully planned and this potential problem was headed off, actually i THINK prior to 2000, when the paper work began.

That website used for so much gossip and which feeds these kind of discussions are at fault. STEREOTYPING, discussed briefly in another thread becomes rampant. LABELING all children as some kind of delinquent is more than unfair. There are more actual real over 55 grandparents getting into trouble here but they seem to be exempt to the general stereotyping

[eweissenbach]

I do not agree with this. It applies to all homes.

AND they do keep track. Anyone who has ever had to deal with federal restrictions on anything knows the paperwork that must be filed. A non profit has a lot of it as an example.

I am positive they keep track of age of owners as that is mandated by the law establishing age restricted communities. This team of developers would never jeopardize the status of the gold mine they have created by being lazy about tracking the requirements. I would guess that the number of homes with at least one owner over 55 is well over 90%, thus no issue with younger owners in the near future.

[ping]

I believe people have got off track! The writer wants to know WHY a 19 year old (at least under retirement age) would want to make their home in the Villages. Unless they get a job with the Villages, there is few worthwhile jobs to be had. Can’t believe they live here for the amenities...(pickle ball, golf, pools, etc)! Dancing in the squares at night can’t be the draw! It’s reasonable to think they can’t support themselves and are living off mom and dad. No good can come from that.....

[Bogie Shooter]

reported on the news site, this week.

A Villages couple’s 29-year-old son armed with large kitchen knives was arrested after he allegedly cornered his mother in a bedroom closet.

A Rainey Villas man was arrested Tuesday morning after alleged sexual activity with a teen he met on Plenty of Fish.
XXXXX, 24, met the 16-year-old on Sunday on the dating website,

[dillywho]

reported on the news site, this week.

A Villages couple’s 29-year-old son armed with large kitchen knives was arrested after he allegedly cornered his mother in a bedroom closet.

A Rainey Villas man was arrested Tuesday morning after alleged sexual activity with a teen he met on Plenty of Fish.
XXXXX, 24, met the 16-year-old on Sunday on the dating website,

And then there is my neighbor who moved in with his parents several years ago and cared for them until their deaths, all the while working. No, it was not a high-end job, but it was ideal for all of them because it allowed him the flexibility to meet their needs. He still lives there, still works, and maintains the home beautifully. Unfortunately, adult children of this caliber are not recognized; only the bad seed are. I much prefer this man to some of the over 55's here! Age does not a good person guarantee.

[Laker14]

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[Taltarzac725]

And then there is my neighbor who moved in with his parents several years ago and cared for them until their deaths, all the while working. No, it was not a high-end job, but it was ideal for all of them because it allowed him the flexibility to meet their needs. He still lives there, still works, and maintains the home beautifully. Unfortunately, adult children of this caliber are not recognized; only the bad seed are. I much prefer this man to some of the over 55's here! Age does not a good person guarantee.

What a nice post. :bigbow:

[graciegirl]

It is sad that to my knowledge there is no place for a person who is having dangerous to others mental health issues to "be". It is not until that person breaks the law that they will end up incarcerated. I wish that would be different, but large government run asylums as they were called at one time must have been filled with abuse of patients and therapies that did harm too.

As usual there are no easy answers to a very complicated and heart breaking problem.

Bertha?

[Barefoot]

And then there is my neighbor who moved in with his parents several years ago and cared for them until their deaths, all the while working. Unfortunately, adult children of this caliber are not recognized; only the bad seed are. :agree:

[Chi33]

I believe people have got off track! The writer wants to know WHY a 19 year old (at least under retirement age) would want to make their home in the Villages. Unless they get a job with the Villages, there is few worthwhile jobs to be had. Can’t believe they live here for the amenities...(pickle ball, golf, pools, etc)! Dancing in the squares at night can’t be the draw! It’s reasonable to think they can’t support themselves and are living off mom and dad. No good can come from that.....

You said it a lot better than I could. Thank you.

[lorilorilori]

"I came home from work and all 3 tires were slashed."

Install a camera......or,

Resales are good...maybe its time to quietly put your house
up for sale and move to another area.

Bratty kids that need some prison time.

[Bogie Shooter]

"I came home from work and all 3 tires were slashed."

Install a camera......or,

Resales are good...maybe its time to quietly put your house
up for sale and move to another area.

Bratty kids that need some prison time.

Tires slashed in Orlando?

[birdawg]

:BigApplause::coolsmiley::agree:

[Catz1966]

NOT ALL ADULT CHILDREN ARE BAD NEWS. I am 52 years old and I moved to The Villages to help my elderly parents. Three months after I got here, my father died suddenly so I thank God I was here to spend 3 months with him and also that I am here to help my mom. I work full-time and so does my 21 year old son who lives with me and is high functioning autistic. We own our home, live a few doors away from my widowed mom and abide by all the rules of The Villages. We take good care of our house, help my mom on a daily basis and are friendly with our neighbors who all are like 2nd family on our street. Not all adult children are bad news. There are many of us that have moved here because our parents decided to leave the family up north and come down here for retirement, not thinking about who will look after them when they get older and need help. My mom refuses to move north so we have no choice but to be here with her. A lot of us have dropped everything to move down here, start a new life, take a huge cut in salary to assist our parents. That's what family is all about, caring for another one, making sacrifices as they did that for me their whole lives. Of course you have the other bunch who moved down here to live off their parents because of their bad luck, poor decisions and they are the ones which need to reform them selves. Do not worry though, when the time comes that we are no longer looking after our mom, we will certainly be going back to where we came from, picking up where we left off. Like you, I am also disgusted with the crime we read about and all the wrong doings which seem to be caused by people in my age group or my son's age group. In our spare time, which we don't have much of, we are out and about exploring Florida, leaving the The Village activities and amenities for the 55+ to enjoy.

[Rwirish]

Spot on.

[daddys55]

I think a bad person is a bad person no matter what age they are and they are trouble no matter where they live, but you can't discriminate against someone because of there age.There are a lot of good young people here as well as bad

[EdFNJ]

From what our agent told us (no, we're NOT even under 70 :) ) a PRIVATE RESALE can be sold to anyone only new homes are age restricted. That being said why would anyone under 40 want to live here full time? As an Investment for rental ... I understand.

[rlcooper70]

My "gut" tells me that the issue is not all that common - that the percentage is so low as to be ignored.

Yet if you have kids forced to live with you ... then I feel for you because I know you didn't ask for it.

As for twenty year olds sitting on the hoods of their souped up 409s ... that's not happening in my neighborhood. Ha ha.

[Villagesgal]

You must live in a horrible crime ridden place. There is no perfect place, seniors steal, swear, do malicious mischief and other such things too, and yes, even here in the Villages. You aren't totally safe anywhere. That said, it is a nice place to live. Before you buy walk around the neighborhood, knock on doors and ask about the neighbors, don't rely on what the real estate agent says. Do some research before you buy, are most snowbirds or year round residents, ask the sheriff's dept about arrests or calls to that neighborhood. Go in with your eyes wide open and you'll probably be happy.

[Michiganders]

. I moved here to enjoy my retirement that we worked hard for so why should I have to put up with other people's problems. I don't push my problems (baggage) on others so don't give me yours. I would be the first person to step in & help my fellow Villager, as long as people respect me. & abide by the rules & be neighborly----then I am ok. This is a 55+ community & that is what the original concept was & why would 20 something year old capable adults want to live with their parents?

[Dbdouds]

This is something that I have an opinion about and I don't know what others think.

This forum is very caring, loving, and sometimes don't see the problem with common sense things. Don't attack me as it is true. Been seeing some crime lately that points to adult children living in The Villages.

So...

Why are there adult children living with retired people in The Villages?

Now my thoughts and I am sure people will see both sides.

First, if the adult child is mentally ill to the point they cannot live on there own. Not all mentally ill people have to live at home. And, and, and, WHY would you MOVE to The Villages, the adult Disneyland, if you have to be a caretaker for the child? Not like there is good medical care in the area.

Second, the adult child who is going through some bad luck. Still, no. Get them motivated. There are no jobs here and they will keep living off your generosity and care for them. However, if you care for them, get them an apartment in Gainesville where there are more jobs so they can get back to the norm. They will only milk you for all your money and guilt you if you resist.

Third, the adult child who is the caretaker for an old villager. Well, if you are homebound, why would you want to live in the villages. If you are homebound then most likely money is tight, and this isn't the place. Also, bad healthcare here. And, what work will the adult child do while being a caretaker. Well, if they have a job then the villager doesn't need a caretaker.

Fourth. I don't know a fourth. I don't see a problem with a 30 year old BUYING a home here. That would mean they have a vested interest in The Villagers, however all the others are either using the villager, guilting the villager or there is a better place to live. It isn't here.

So, to conclude.
No jobs.
Bad healthcare.
Crime goes up.
Mostly other people are over 60 years old.

No good can come from an adult child living in The Villages.

Okay, let the hate begin. I wonder if there is anyone on my side?
Agreed. All of your reasons make perfect sense. The fourth reason is that other villagers expect to find older folks living in the Villages-that’s the reason they come here.

[theruizs]

I don’t get it either. Rules, law, etc. aside, what is the attraction for those under 55, especially those still in their teens and early twenties? Are they avid golfers and they are satisfied with just that? Do they really enjoy getting down with the geriatric crowd at the squares at night? My grandkids are 16-22 and they love to visit but get bored here really quickly and then they want to go to parks and malls in Orlando. I think sometimes we should have bought closer to Orlando since eveyone who visits us wants to spend more time there than here.

At any rate, I understand those under 55 that work here are allowed to buy and live here and even have specific communities for them, that’s great and it benefits us. I also understand other under 55 situations like the retired military couple in their 40s that we know got an exemption (probably in that 20% allowd), but even they get a little bored and have difficulty feeling like they fit in. But youngsters in their late teens and early twenties here permanently, not working, not in school? Makes no sense to me.

[Miloscia]

So if there is bad healthcare, no jobs, and high crime why are you living here.
I hope some day you don’t find yourself needing help by someone and you have no family. People move here because they like the living style but things don’t always work out. Look at it way, you may have a great life today but no one knows what tomorrow will bring. If those people aren’t bothering you then let them be and thank God you wake up each day and enjoy your life.

[DavidPritchett24]

I have read allot of the posts concerning "Why adult children living in the Villages" As a father of 5 grown children I take pride in knowing my wife and I have raised our children to be responsible adults and contribute to society. We recently moved to TV and love it here. When we moved here we asked our 23 year old son to come with us. He is an EMT and was employed full time and planned on starting Paramedic school in the fall. We encouraged him to come stay with us and go to school here so that he could devote his time to studying and not having to work full time and worry about supporting himself while in school. Because of the higher cost of out of state tuition he is having to wait a year so he can afford the tuition. He is anxious to go to work serving the community and has applied with several of the EMT companies here. He is not a menace to society and always willing to offer a helping hand to anyone that needs it. Since being here he has offered medical assistance and comfort to several of the TV residence while they waited for the EMS to arrive. You see he does not discriminate based on a persons age. As parents we want to give our children every opportunity to be successful in life. And if that means living with us for a few years then so be it.

[joansullivan]

Well said.

[Lcbeasley418]

You seem to have a very limited view or had children that took advantage of you. My parents have lived here over 10 years. There was a 3 month period that i stayed with them to get one my feet, which i did. I then moved on. Now, I live JUST outside the villages, in a retirement community. I'm not retired. Not only do I work, but I'm also going to school. This is not my ideal place to live. I stay hear because one of two parents became ill and began a life where he needed A LOT of help. It's too much for my Mom alone, so I'm close enough to help. See, here's what you don't seem to get, people still AGE after moving here. They were once healthy seniors playing golf, etc. I guess they should have realized that before buying into the villages, and chosen somewhere that people still AGE. Nonetheless, here I am, helping. Now, there will come a day that my father will pass and my mom will still live in her house and SHE'LL need help. When that help becomes more constant, you BET that I will MOVE IN WITH HER and be right by her side, lending a hand. I won't wait til she can't function. I'll do it while we can still enjoy each other's company. I'll run errands with her, go to doctors (that have been INCREDIBLE with my father), and I'll basically be a VILLAGER.

[Lcbeasley418]

A special thank you to you and your son. It's a great plan and he should do well here.

[mysunshine1948]

I moved out! Not especially for this reason, but many others!

[lindaelane]

There are people over 55 with spouses under 55. In some cases, well under 55. I think there can't be a rule saying "No one under 55 unless they are married to a householder over 55". After all, for financial or other reasons, many people don't want to legally marry, but just live with a partner.

Also, what if someone wants a live-in carer to whom they are not related? That's allowed, correct? We can't say the carer must be over 55.

What I believe is that our security and police service here will respond very well if there is a problem with noise. I know I live in what is known as the "quiet end", (north villages), but I've had no problem with noise. For me that would be the only possible drawback of younger people living here.

[toeser]

I thought the rule was 55 and over. I am a single female hoping to retire to the Villages. I want an over 55 community where I feel safe. I am so tired of 20 somethings sitting on their cars outside my home with their music cranked to oblivion because it is daytime and nothing can be done. I am tired of the petty theft of bikes, and tipped over trash cans, and smashed in mailboxes from mailbox baseball. I want away from "strafing" where kids on bikes race at you as fast as possible and then lock their brakes spraying gravel. There is nothing you can do but hide inside, as they don't "hurt" you. Police do nothing. I am tired of my sweet peas trellis' being torn down because the kids jump them, and of trying to go shopping when some millennial shoves past me and mutters "old biach" or something worse. I have a recumbent bike I am getting rid of because when I rode it, the millennials wanted to try it. I said no because it was to exercise my leg and I had no insurance. The next day I came home from work and all 3 tires were slashed.

You may love your kids/grandkids but they don't act the same when they are outside your watchful eye. I want to live some place I feel safe, with people who understand when I speak and who don't use the F word as an adjective, subject, verb, adverb and predicate all in the same sentence.

I'm sorry I don't want to be around your kids, but why would you move to an over 55 community and hurt other people by bringing them? Just move to a normal neighborhood where your kids fit in.


Not sure where you live, but I have lived in TV for 3 1/2 years and have seen none of this. It's difficult to believe anywhere in TV is that bad.

[Tntcryan]

I’m with you I moved because I thought the crime rate would be low

[OhioBuckeye]

I don't have a problem with the parents having handicap children here as long as they're not drug users or have been in prison. The thing that I worry about is what happens if someday or time TV lets it slide & start letting any person come here & live no matter what their backround is. Besides most of the problems that I've seen here in the time I've live here has been the retirees. I really think TV eventually will let just about any age live here when they quit building. Also I think our Aminities,bonds & HOA will go up as things get older & it will start costing TV more money & we'll be the ones that will pay for it. Just my thought on this so don't beat me up to bad!

[banjobob]

the live-in children are a source of contention , a couple questions arise -why would anyone under 55 want to live with old people or if the children are down on their luck through divorce crime drugs or what ever moving back with your parents should not be the answer with all the government programs available to help in those cases get the kids started and get them out of your home. There seems to be a good supply of over 55 drunks , druggies , sex offenders located among us now seems none have a valid drivers license not suspended.

[Bucco]

I’m with you I moved because I thought the crime rate would be low

The crime rate here IS LOW.

The problems on TOTV are that people seem to love to discuss other peoples shortcomings and make judgements.

This is a community of PEOPLE, just like anywhere else in the country

[TOMMY D]

Well I'm not posting hate like you imply, just my opinion. The question you are asking are telling me you may fail to understand these words called love and caring. Reason some of these people are doing what they are doing is because they care about their family and choose to home care for those rather than place them somewhere else and one of the reasons may be lack insurance to cover the expense. You call the Villages THE DISNEYLAND of retirement. Look around and see those who have moved here are dealing with different kinds of health issues some being, dementia , parkinson's , alzheimer's, heart conditions just to name a few. Should these people find another community to live in? You also claim that young adults living with their parents for whatever reason will bring on crime? Crime if that is what your concern about then let's look at this said to be a gated community. This it isn't as anybody can get into here without even having a card. Look at how many contractors come in here with laborers of which how do we know if some have criminal records and can come in here and size up someplace to break into . Once again I respect your opinion and have to say this is a community that has its faults like any other one. There are days I see and hear things that make me shake my head in bewilderment. Example two women driving around with notepads recording things people have on their lawn that they shouldn't have and these people aren't living in their area. People with dogs thinking it's right to come to your property to have their dog do their business and on one occasion the person came all the way up to my lani to do it. This is not DISNEYLAND. This is the Villages. Concern, caring and understanding you need to have in a larger community like this. Not everyone thinks the same. Posting here is not about HATE

[Abby10]

If NOTHING else, the OP has brought to the forum many new posters with this thread. Great to hear some of the stories of adult children who are not only in TV for good reason, but also making contributions to the community. Unfortunately, the news media, generally speaking, seems fixated on the bad news around us and not much is reported about the good. Thanks to those of you who chose to share your uplifting stories here.

[TOMMY D]

:pray:Well I'm not posting hate like you imply, just my opinion. The question you are asking are telling me you may fail to understand these words called love and caring. Reason some of these people are doing what they are doing is because they care about their family and choose to home care for those rather than place them somewhere else and one of the reasons may be lack insurance to cover the expense. You call the Villages THE DISNEYLAND of retirement. Look around and see those who have moved here are dealing with different kinds of health issues some being, dementia , parkinson's , alzheimer's, heart conditions just to name a few. Should these people find another community to live in? You also claim that young adults living with their parents for whatever reason will bring on crime? Crime if that is what your concern about then let's look at this said to be a gated community. This it isn't as anybody can get into here without even having a card. Look at how many contractors come in here with laborers of which how do we know if some have criminal records and can come in here and size up someplace to break into . Once again I respect your opinion and have to say this is a community that has its faults like any other one. There are days I see and hear things that make me shake my head in bewilderment. Example two women driving around with notepads recording things people have on their lawn that they shouldn't have and these people aren't living in their area. People with dogs thinking it's right to come to your property to have their dog do their business and on one occasion the person came all the way up to my lani to do it. This is not DISNEYLAND. This is the Villages. Concern, caring and understanding you need to have in a larger community like this. Not everyone thinks the same. Posting here is not about HATE

[Bucco]

If NOTHING else, the OP has brought to the forum many new posters with this thread. Great to hear some of the stories of adult children who are not only in TV for good reason, but also making contributions to the community. Unfortunately, the news media, generally speaking, seems fixated on the bad news around us and not much is reported about the good. Thanks to those of you who chose to share your uplifting stories here.

Curious WHAT news media is "fixated on the bad news around us " ???

Seems to me that the ONLY source for the bad news is the website that is banned or whatever.....do not read it much anywhere else, and much of that news is folks who do not live here at all.

[Bucco]

A quick look at that website and a check of the last 20 reports of "crime" shows 3 of those involved Villagers.....3.

1 was an article on a pedophile move
1 was a sentencing of a drunk case
1 involved a chronic problem with man pretending to be a lawyer.

NONE, at least from the articles involved children of Villagers....could be but not shown to be the case.

The hookers in Ocala, the drunk driving in other areas.....arrests made on local roads, etc.....nothing to do with children of Villagers

We have a very low crime rate here and the vast majority are NOT children of Villagers, but either Villagers or whatever the police blotter shows them.

[CFrance]

The crime rate here IS LOW.

The problems on TOTV are that people seem to love to discuss other peoples shortcomings and make judgements.

This is a community of PEOPLE, just like anywhere else in the country
Not to mention loving to make sweeping statements or give off-the cuff, oversimplified reasons for why someone else wouldn't/shouldn't do what they're doing.

[graciegirl]

And then there are the self righteous pointing out to others that they are self righteous.

And the prevailing wind of the mainstream media to print opinion and to offer some incendiary piece instead of just the hard news, just the facts. To be fair, the advertisers notice how many clicks that are directed toward any potential site. It is a contest now to find the most "catching" title lines.

And the fact that people are always interested reading about bad behavior. Always. Ask any journalist. It is the human condition, and it helps us to judge how to stay safe and alive. Survival of the realistic.

Stand back. I am getting good at bringing on a barrage of opinion from certain people.

[Bucco]

And then there are the self righteous pointing out to others that they are self righteous.

And the prevailing wind of the mainstream media to print opinion and to offer some incendiary piece instead of just the hard news, just the facts. To be fair, the advertisers notice how many clicks that are directed toward any potential site. It is a contest now to find the most "catching" title lines.

And the fact that people are always interested reading about bad behavior. Always. Ask any journalist. It is the human condition, and it helps us to judge how to stay safe and alive. Survival of the realistic.

hmm.....not sure how to respond.

It appeared to me that this thread was about adult children living in The Villages.

Suddenly it has switched to the "mainstream media" (I sure hope the source of the news that this thread WAS directed at is not considered a member of such)

Your post is not addressing the issue involved in the thread...as always it is switched to media coverage instead of the REAL issue of the thread.

Nobody was or is discussing the media.

It has been suggested that The Villages has a high crime rate.....It has been suggested that much of that is due to children coming from the Villages.......

My responses have been to the thread.....you seem to want to talk about the media...think that might need a new thread.

I certainly am not self righteous....just believe in truth and accuracy, and that is what my posts have been geared at and always on the subject. Yes, I offered my opinion, which I will be glad to post links within this forum, that I do not understand why people need to discuss other people publicly and offer opinions on real personal folks that they do not know or know their circumstances. I have and will continue to maintain that labeling and making judgements without facts is wrong in every case, and in every single venue.

[graciegirl]

See?

[CFrance]

See?
Actually, no, I don't.

[VillageIdiots]

From what our agent told us (no, we're NOT even under 70 :) ) a PRIVATE RESALE can be sold to anyone only new homes are age restricted. That being said why would anyone under 40 want to live here full time? As an Investment for rental ... I understand.

The first 6 words of your post are the problem. I am living/breathing proof, as I lay out in my previous post in this thread, that you don't have to be 55 to buy a new home from the developer, nor does anyone residing in the home have to be 55, nor do you have to get someone who is 55 or older to buy it for you. The agents don't make the rules, enforce rules, and in some cases obviously don't even know the rules. They get paid to sell homes. I visited several open houses over the past few years and started conversations with the agents who then informed me I wasn't old enough to live here once they found out the ages of my wife and I. But I visited many others where agents told me that wasn't true at all and most had their own first hand experiences of selling homes here to people under 55. I even met a few that were under that age themselves when they first moved here.

As for the OP's original question - I know why I want to live here, and it's for most of the same reasons that anyone that is over 55 and fully retired wants to live here. I honestly don't know why someone 19 would want to, at least on their own, but then I haven't met anyone near that age that owns property here. Would be interesting to see/hear how it would be handled if you were young enough when you moved here, but had no kids, but then had kids after titling property in your name. Something tells me it wouldn't be as easy to handle as someone that moves here with 2 dogs and then decides to adopt 2 more after the fact.

[manaboutown]

To me there are good reasons and bad reasons for adult children living with mom and/or dad. The following are representative and not all inclusive.

Good reasons: being a caregiver to a parent(s), parent(s) acting as caregiver(s) for a physically/mentally handicapped or challenged adult child, temporarily taking in a child needing some help recovering from a serious illness or injury and an adult child student preparing for a new career.

Bad reasons: taking in convicted and likely dangerous felons perhaps just out of prison or otherwise homeless, taking in substance abusing adult children and taking in potentially violent mentally ill adult children.

For all the bleeding hearts: How would you feel if your next-door or nearby neighbor had an adult child living there who was a physical threat to you and your spouse, whose adult child was running what amounted to a crack house or meth lab right in their parent's house? What if they were operating what amounted to a homeless shelter or halfway house right next door to you with litter, cigarette butts, loud music and young people coming and going all hours of the night, yelling, reving motorcycle engines, driving on your lawn, throwing their beer cans, empty bottles and used needles on your property? What if they were fencing stolen property out of their parent's garage?

[graciegirl]

The first 6 words of your post are the problem. I am living/breathing proof, as I lay out in my previous post in this thread, that you don't have to be 55 to buy a new home from the developer, nor does anyone residing in the home have to be 55, nor do you have to get someone who is 55 or older to buy it for you. The agents don't make the rules, enforce rules, and in some cases obviously don't even know the rules. They get paid to sell homes. I visited several open houses over the past few years and started conversations with the agents who then informed me I wasn't old enough to live here once they found out the ages of my wife and I. But I visited many others where agents told me that wasn't true at all and most had their own first hand experiences of selling homes here to people under 55. I even met a few that were under that age themselves when they first moved here.

As for the OP's original question - I know why I want to live here, and it's for most of the same reasons that anyone that is over 55 and fully retired wants to live here. I honestly don't know why someone 19 would want to, at least on their own, but then I haven't met anyone near that age that owns property here. Would be interesting to see/hear how it would be handled if you were young enough when you moved here, but had no kids, but then had kids after titling property in your name. Something tells me it wouldn't be as easy to handle as someone that moves here with 2 dogs and then decides to adopt 2 more after the fact.

There have been instances discussed of grandparents taking in grandchildren under 19 of deployed children. They had fines levied against them until they moved. It is a deed restriction to have children under the age of 19 for more than 30 days a year. Most of us would have sold our homes and moved to Leesburg so as not to break the rule and to have children in the neighborhood for the kids to play with.

Thank you, bless you to all who served and are serving. My family hold you in high honor.

[slamtennis]

Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.

[VillageIdiots]

There have been instances discussed of grandparents taking in grandchildren under 19 of deployed children. They had fines levied against them until they moved. It is a deed restriction to have children under the age of 19 for more than 30 days a year. Most of us would have sold our homes and moved to Leesburg so as not to break the rule and to have children in the neighborhood for the kids to play with.

Thank you, bless you to all who served and are serving. My family hold you in high honor.

Gracie, am I missing something or did something I said come out wrong? I fully appreciate what you said above but I am not sure how my post ranked as the one to quote above your reply. In my opinion, in the scenario you described, there should be an exemption process to allow it as long as it can be verified and there is an agreed to period. We should all do anything we can, including the CDD's, to support those who wear the uniform to protect the freedoms that make this such a great place within a great country.

[terriejb]

👍👍👍👍

[Taltarzac725]

Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.

Nicely said. I have been with my parents since late 1991 taking care of them in some way but also doing valuable to some people work as a hobby. This hobby landed me in 14 Marquis Who's Who publications as well I received 24 nominations to various Marquis Who's Who publications from 1992 through 2002. And hundreds of invitations to vanity press publications up through a few years ago. The latest was a few months ago.

I like being in control of this hobby so would not really want to get into an environment where every step I take is controlled by some kind of committee having meetings a few times a week. And I have to really know someone else before allowing someone else to get really involved in what I am doing.

I might be able to swing this hobby into something else but also have the concerns of my immediate and extended family to deal with as I do this. I do have four degrees and a lot of experiences in libraries to guide me with this hobby. Also a lot of experiences talking in person, via phone, via various message boards with the people I am trying to help through this hobby. Facebook is wonderful for this hobby. I can interact with police departments, mental health providers, celebrities, journalists in all different media, various association leaders, many different law school libraries, victim/witness assistance providers, social workers, people working to help stop sex trafficking, etc.

It is a labor of love meant to help people. And I do bring in local organizations into this effort as many are on my Facebook page and can see what I am doing.

Look at the individuals of the Villages. There are good and bad people of every age in the Villages and their surrounding communities. Just like anywhere else.

[xcaligirl]

It's an ongoing discussion that never goes anywhere because of the rules. I think there are some sort of a law regarding the "children" being destructive of other people's property, going 30 down the golf cart path, passing people and the 'home-made cart is smoking like a chimney', the break-ins from the under 55 that are living here and the list goes on. Seems to be acceptable by some people. I guess if it doesn't happen to them, is all good.

[TandHSTAR@AOL.com]

Ok, I understand everyone's concern. But in reality this is still a safe community. There are no loud radios, souped up cars or motorcycles. With adult children living with their parents. Sometimes it's a temporary necessity. Notice I said temporary. After that the parent has to say it's time you lived your own life. Is this easy. OOOOH no it is not. Is there an easy solution? I don't know. But before you go bashing people who have their adult children living with them, look at both sides of the coin. If parents have lived here for many years, their house is probably paid off and it's still less expensive than moving. Keep in mind these situations happen not only in The Villages but in all the surrounding "age restricted" communities. We are not the exception. So if you are thinking of moving here, go ahead and do it. You will love it once you acclimate to the weather, activities and all the wonderful people that live here.

[Bucco]

Ok, I understand everyone's concern. But in reality this is still a safe community. There are no loud radios, souped up cars or motorcycles. With adult children living with their parents. Sometimes it's a temporary necessity. Notice I said temporary. After that the parent has to say it's time you lived your own life. Is this easy. OOOOH no it is not. Is there an easy solution? I don't know. But before you go bashing people who have their adult children living with them, look at both sides of the coin. If parents have lived here for many years, their house is probably paid off and it's still less expensive than moving. Keep in mind these situations happen not only in The Villages but in all the surrounding "age restricted" communities. We are not the exception. So if you are thinking of moving here, go ahead and do it. You will love it once you acclimate to the weather, activities and all the wonderful people that live here.

Good post. I have been here a long time and KNOW it is a safe community.

Children of owners can present a problem for sure.....BUT....

Owners can present a problem, etc and etc.

To talk incessantly about children of Villagers is just something to do I suppose.

[graciegirl]

Gracie, am I missing something or did something I said come out wrong? I fully appreciate what you said above but I am not sure how my post ranked as the one to quote above your reply. In my opinion, in the scenario you described, there should be an exemption process to allow it as long as it can be verified and there is an agreed to period. We should all do anything we can, including the CDD's, to support those who wear the uniform to protect the freedoms that make this such a great place within a great country.

Not at all. I agree with your thoughts. I was clarifying for those who don't know that kids under 19 cannot live in The Villages, no matter how compelling the need. It is a deed restriction.

[dianemg]

bought in 2003 at age 49, moved here 2007; TV is NOT what it is purported to be, home town/safe feeling has been gone a LONG time now; theft (in stores, golf carts, clubs) bad residents (domestic abuse), WAY too much drinking, in and outside crime, uncurteous and downright dangerous driving) ALOT of amenities gone: Church on Square, Katie Bells. (Watch out Polo Field). The Old Man Swartz is turning over. He went around asking residents what they wanted. Now its all about the developers wallet. Must weigh the amenities of the great lifestyle VS negative conditions. Still no place like it in the world.

[Polar Bear]

...TV is NOT what it is purported to be, home town/safe feeling has been gone a LONG time now; theft (in stores, golf carts, clubs) bad residents (domestic abuse), WAY too much drinking, in and outside crime, uncurteous and downright dangerous driving) ALOT of amenities gone: Church on Square, Katie Bells. (Watch out Polo Field). The Old Man Swartz is turning over. He went around asking residents what they wanted. Now its all about the developers wallet. Must weigh the amenities of the great lifestyle VS negative conditions...
Too bad you feel that way. Not everybody does.

And of course it’s the developer’s wallet that is ruining everything!!

[VillageIdiots]

Not at all. I agree with your thoughts. I was clarifying for those who don't know that kids under 19 cannot live in The Villages, no matter how compelling the need. It is a deed restriction.

Very true. Though the idea that you, or someone in your household, must be 55 to buy a new home is a myth, it is not a myth that having anyone residing in your home that is under 19, for more than 30 days in a calendar year is against your deed restrictions. However, exceptions are made for people that have under age children with special needs. I am fairly sure of that and don't have a problem with it. Seems reasonable to me that there could be some process set up for applying for exemptions much like the requirement for ARC approval for changes to your property. They could still say no, but at least there would be a process. I think looking out for children of deployed military would be a good reason for exemption. But then, there is always the question of who is going to verify it and then police it.

[dewilson58]

Too bad you feel that way. Not everybody does.

And of course it’s the developer’s wallet that is ruining everything!!

Negative people on the site are sad, no they're funny, no sad, no funny.

[kens613]

Wow!!! What part of The Villages do you live?

[Chi33]

...but why would an adult child want to live with their parents in the Villages?

It's not for the activities. No way you can convince me some 30 year old want to hang with old folks all the time.

As to the healthcare: cut me a break, it isn't good.

Jobs, really? Look how many people Just outside the villages live in broken down trailers (okay, there are trailer retirement communities and I am not talking about those). There are some parts just yards from outside the villages that I wouldn't want my family to go to. Someone coming from Boston would think they are in a gang war.

So back to the original question. Reread all 17 pages of posts and see how many people don't understand what is in the thread so they just post something based on the title (I am pointing at all you people looking to boost your post count, you know who you are).

I live in The Villages and I am proud to live here. I also am proud enough to stand up and point things out. I want a better villages. Yes, there are many people who own home here and are under 55. THEY ARE NOT LIVING WITH THEIR PARENTS.

I wrote something I stopped myself on. But to anyone who reads minds, please reply to it.

It is healthy to discuss this in open forum. It shows how many people care (either way). I would prefer to have responsible people living here. I think all the women who live here would feel safer. Am I wrong?

:popcorn:

[CFrance]

...but why would an adult child want to live with their parents in the Villages?

It's not for the activities. No way you can convince me some 30 year old want to hang with old folks all the time.

As to the healthcare: cut me a break, it isn't good.

Jobs, really? Look how many people Just outside the villages live in broken down trailers (okay, there are trailer retirement communities and I am not talking about those). There are some parts just yards from outside the villages that I wouldn't want my family to go to. Someone coming from Boston would think they are in a gang war.

So back to the original question. Reread all 17 pages of posts and see how many people don't understand what is in the thread so they just post something based on the title (I am pointing at all you people looking to boost your post count, you know who you are).

I live in The Villages and I am proud to live here. I also am proud enough to stand up and point things out. I want a better villages. Yes, there are many people who own home here and are under 55. THEY ARE NOT LIVING WITH THEIR PARENTS.

I wrote something I stopped myself on. But to anyone who reads minds, please reply to it.

It is healthy to discuss this in open forum. It shows how many people care (either way). I would prefer to have responsible people living here. I think all the women who live here would feel safer. Am I wrong?

:popcorn:
I think so. How about some statistics as to how many young people here are causing problems? You made a lot of generalizations about why young people should not be here in your OP. They were off-the-cuff, in my opinion, not backed up by any kind of statistics, yet were purported as truths in your opinion. I just don't get where you're coming from, or why.

[Chi33]

...but why would an adult child want to live with their parents in the Villages?


You missed this CF.

[CFrance]

You missed this CF.
That was an aside. The main part of your post was the conclusion:


So, to conclude.
No jobs.
Bad healthcare.
Crime goes up.
Mostly other people are over 60 years old.

No good can come from an adult child living in The Villages.

[GypsyRN56]

I agree with you.

[joldnol]

let me bring this thread BACK. You all are sidetracking.

I know the rule is 19 and over. But going over 35 MPH is a rule on Morse Avenue but how many of you follow that.

And I don't mind if a 19 year old buys here as long as his children aren't here.

My problem is I don't WANT to deal with other people's problems or situations.

Plus, my question is WHY, not that its okay to do.

Okay, go back to talking about something else.

First off, it's none of your damn business.

Secondly, my son lives with us because he's on the autism spectrum. He has a college degree and is employed. It's just living on his own would be to over whelming to him.

Third, again it's none of your damn business. I so glad you have led a charmed and perfect life.

[eweissenbach]

IMHO this thread has run its course. All the factions have been heard from and there is nothing more to add. The sweeping generalizations and broad brush condemnations have been made ad nauseum and we get where you stand. Thankfully, many have a more compassionate view.

Here is the fact - there is no rule, law, or covenant that prevents an adult child from living with their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, friends, enemies, benefactors, etc. If you want to legislate against that reality, good luck. Otherwise, just accept that this is reality or figure out a way to find a place that is totally free from such flaws and move there. Had Hitler prevailed in the 40s you might have found Deutchland to be perfect.

[Barefoot]

TV is NOT what it is purported to be, home town/safe feeling has been gone a LONG time now; theft (in stores, golf carts, clubs) bad residents (domestic abuse), WAY too much drinking, in and outside crime, uncurteous and downright dangerous driving) ALOT of amenities gone: Church on Square, Katie Bells. (Watch out Polo Field). The Old Man Swartz is turning over. He went around asking residents what they wanted. Now its all about the developers wallet. Must weigh the amenities of the great lifestyle VS negative conditions. Still no place like it in the world.Where you see negative conditions, many of us see positives. Unlike you, I feel very safe in our village.
The crime rate is low for a community of our size.
The Villages has been created with vision and creativity.
Because the Developers want to make a profit, you say "it's all about the developers wallet"? :ohdear:

[Lucy1934]

This is something that I have an opinion about and I don't know what others think.

This forum is very caring, loving, and sometimes don't see the problem with common sense things. Don't attack me as it is true. Been seeing some crime lately that points to adult children living in The Villages.

So...

Why are there adult children living with retired people in The Villages?

Now my thoughts and I am sure people will see both sides.

First, if the adult child is mentally ill to the point they cannot live on there own. Not all mentally ill people have to live at home. And, and, and, WHY would you MOVE to The Villages, the adult Disneyland, if you have to be a caretaker for the child? Not like there is good medical care in the area.

Second, the adult child who is going through some bad luck. Still, no. Get them motivated. There are no jobs here and they will keep living off your generosity and care for them. However, if you care for them, get them an apartment in Gainesville where there are more jobs so they can get back to the norm. They will only milk you for all your money and guilt you if you resist.

Third, the adult child who is the caretaker for an old villager. Well, if you are homebound, why would you want to live in the villages. If you are homebound then most likely money is tight, and this isn't the place. Also, bad healthcare here. And, what work will the adult child do while being a caretaker. Well, if they have a job then the villager doesn't need a caretaker.

Fourth. I don't know a fourth. I don't see a problem with a 30 year old BUYING a home here. That would mean they have a vested interest in The Villagers, however all the others are either using the villager, guilting the villager or there is a better place to live. It isn't here.

So, to conclude.
No jobs.
Bad healthcare.
Crime goes up.
Mostly other people are over 60 years old.

No good can come from an adult child living in The Villages.

Okay, let the hate begin. I wonder if there is anyone on my side?
Why do you assume that if adult children live here crime will increase? Duh! Also there are plenty of jobs here. Health Care is more than adequate. Where are you getting your information from??????

[jane032657]

First off, it's none of your damn business.

Secondly, my son lives with us because he's on the autism spectrum. He has a college degree and is employed. It's just living on his own would be to over whelming to him.

Third, again it's none of your damn business. I so glad you have led a charmed and perfect life.

Bless you for being a loving and committed parent. Too many people have their nose sniffing in other people's business, it is one of my struggles in The Villages. Family is everything and you have every right to enjoy your son and see him thrive and enjoy life. I commend you.

[manaboutown]

The on-line news today reported a 24 year man living in Country Club Hills and a 36 year old woman residing in Mallory square were (separately) arrested. They both were repeat offenders having criminal histories. A 54 year old convicted child sex offender moved from one villages to another. And the beat goes on.

[Barefoot]

The on-line news today reported a 24 year man living in Country Club Hills and a 36 year old woman residing in Mallory square were (separately) arrested. They both were repeat offenders having criminal histories. A 54 year old convicted child sex offender moved from one villages to another. And the beat goes on.

What is your point? One can pick isolated incidents to prove any point.
The online newspaper did not say the woman arrested in Mallory Square currently lives in Mallory Square.
She actually lives outside of The Villages.
The crime rate is very low for a community of this size.

[manaboutown]

What is your point? One can pick isolated incidents to prove any point.
The crime rate is very low for a community of this size.

Thankfully that is so obviously because the population almost entirely comprises law abiding self sufficient successful geriatric retirees.

My point is that on a per capita basis the under 55 population who are not caregivers or physically or mentally challenged individuals incapable of living on their own statistically contains an inordinate number of criminals of one stripe or another.

[Barefoot]

My point is that on a per capita basis the under 55 population who are not caregivers or physically or mentally challenged individuals incapable of living on their own statistically contains an inordinate number of criminals of one stripe or another.I challenge you to the statistics that prove an inordinate number of criminals under 55 without special needs live in The Villages.

[ColdNoMore]

I challenge you to the statistics that prove an inordinate number of criminals under 55 without special needs live in The Villages.

Yep.

Facts matter.

[rmcginness]

Not all Adult children commit crimes.
Some of these Adult children are serving you food in the 100 plus restaurants or checking you out at the grocery stores.
You were young once. Give them a break.

[Polar Bear]

...My point is that on a per capita basis the under 55 population who are not caregivers or physically or mentally challenged individuals incapable of living on their own statistically contains an inordinate number of criminals of one stripe or another.
What a bunch of hooey.

[manaboutown]

I challenge you to the statistics that prove an inordinate number of criminals under 55 without special needs live in The Villages.

It is well known that crime is age related; thus 55 and over communities enjoy low crime rates simply because older adults commit far fewer crimes than young adults.

Adult children living with their parents rather than out on their own, if they are not caregivers or care recipients, usually have serious issues coping with life, issues such as substance abuse, histories of criminal behavior, consequent incarceration and mental instability. Therefore even relative to their age group as a whole they commit more crimes as recidivism rates are high. Long View of Ex-Prisoners Finds 83% Recidivism Rate | The Crime ReportThe Crime Report (https://thecrimereport.org/2018/05/24/long-view-of-ex-prisoners-finds-83-recidivism-rate/)

Here is some reference material supporting crimes being age related. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/9781118519639.wbecpx275

[graciegirl]

It is well known that crime is age related; thus 55 and over communities enjoy low crime rates simply because older adults commit far fewer crimes than young adults.

Adult children living with their parents rather than out on their own, if they are not caregivers or care recipients, usually have serious issues coping with life, issues such as substance abuse, histories of criminal behavior, consequent incarceration and mental instability. Therefore even relative to their age group as a whole they commit more crimes as recidivism rates are high. Long View of Ex-Prisoners Finds 83% Recidivism Rate | The Crime ReportThe Crime Report (https://thecrimereport.org/2018/05/24/long-view-of-ex-prisoners-finds-83-recidivism-rate/)

Here is some reference material supporting crimes being age related. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/9781118519639.wbecpx275

The bottom line is this;

People who are over 19 and under 55 are ALLOWED to live here

People under 19 are NOT allowed to live here no matter WHAT the circumstances. They are deed restricted to visits of no more than 30 days in a year.


The number of people who are under 55 is monitored. The rules governing the 80-20 have been presented twice in this thread and they are from the Federal government regarding age restricted communities. The age of people in resales are monitored exactly the way the age of people in new homes are monitored. We aren't even close to the 20%.

Manabouttown does not live here.

[Marathon Man]

… Manabouttown does not live here.

That explains things. One of the first to go on my ignore list.

I never understood why people who never or no longer live here remain so obsessed with TV. Move along, nothing to see.

[Whittcm1]

Ok, now I am confused. I had heard the 20% rule before. I had also heard that they lived in a different 'village' of The Villages. Had also heard that under 55 could live in the same home as long as at least one person in the home was over 55. But selling your home to someone who is 19? We were hoping to move here soon, and I totally understand someone under 55 living with the owner of the house who is over 55, but what gives? The Villages is promoted as an over 55 community and I have nothing against younger people; however there are plenty of reasons people get to our age and want to be with other people our age, at least for most of the time. Is this truly a 55 community or not? I don't see how you can have it both ways if you are calling it a 55 community.

[dewilson58]

Ok, now I am confused. I had heard the 20% rule before. I had also heard that they lived in a different 'village' of The Villages. Had also heard that under 55 could live in the same home as long as at least one person in the home was over 55. But selling your home to someone who is 19? We were hoping to move here soon, and I totally understand someone under 55 living with the owner of the house who is over 55, but what gives? The Villages is promoted as an over 55 community and I have nothing against younger people; however there are plenty of reasons people get to our age and want to be with other people our age, at least for most of the time. Is this truly a 55 community or not? I don't see how you can have it both ways if you are calling it a 55 community.


You answered your own question...........20% can be under.

[graciegirl]

Ok, now I am confused. I had heard the 20% rule before. I had also heard that they lived in a different 'village' of The Villages. Had also heard that under 55 could live in the same home as long as at least one person in the home was over 55. But selling your home to someone who is 19? We were hoping to move here soon, and I totally understand someone under 55 living with the owner of the house who is over 55, but what gives? The Villages is promoted as an over 55 community and I have nothing against younger people; however there are plenty of reasons people get to our age and want to be with other people our age, at least for most of the time. Is this truly a 55 community or not? I don't see how you can have it both ways if you are calling it a 55 community.

Here; hud rules for age restricted communities - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=hud+rules+for+age+restricted+communities&form=EDGHPT&qs=PF&cvid=319bbe057fcc496282e78fa26bc41109&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXK1c4IvZoNqPoPnS%21QRLOPdZQlvmIQw01NyzUu7vGl7 4mgssLemAahsr9eUYrKWNindS5P*CAGbcyacqoVdEvnPDqKEMF EI%21DzFNjlE8EP0&PC=DCTS)

There are areas (villages) built for people with families. They were built by the developer for people who work here but they are not "PART" of The Villages. They are close to The Villages, but those people living in those homes with young children do not have rights to the pools and recreation centers in The Villages and have the same rights as anyone living close by to visit the squares and restaurants.

[Abby10]

Ok, now I am confused. I had heard the 20% rule before. I had also heard that they lived in a different 'village' of The Villages. Had also heard that under 55 could live in the same home as long as at least one person in the home was over 55. But selling your home to someone who is 19? We were hoping to move here soon, and I totally understand someone under 55 living with the owner of the house who is over 55, but what gives? The Villages is promoted as an over 55 community and I have nothing against younger people; however there are plenty of reasons people get to our age and want to be with other people our age, at least for most of the time. Is this truly a 55 community or not? I don't see how you can have it both ways if you are calling it a 55 community.

From HUD.gov / U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) (https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/seniors) -

In order to qualify for the "55 or older" housing exemption, a facility or community must satisfy each of the following requirements:

At least 80 percent of the units must have at least one occupant who is 55 years of age or older; and
The facility or community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate the intent to operate as "55 or older" housing; and
The facility or community must comply with HUD's regulatory requirements for age verification of residents.

[VillageIdiots]

Is this truly a 55 community or not? I don't see how you can have it both ways if you are calling it a 55 community.

What confuses people is the bad information that gets passed around and/or assumptions drawn when they hear "55+ community". Some of that bad information even comes from representatives of The Villages itself. As I stated at least once or twice in this very thread, I've had sales agents at open houses tell me, without question, that I was not old enough to buy a home here yet and then walk in the next open house, tell them what I was told, and was told just the opposite.

Is this truly a 55 community? Yes it is

How can you have it both ways? Refer to the much discussed 80-20 regulation.

I'm stating the following based on my own, first hand knowledge and experience, not based on what I've heard or assume:

You can buy a home in The Villages if you and everyone else in the home is under 55. Doesn't matter if it's a new home or pre-owned. No special conditions or forms to sign. You are treated just like anyone over 55 in the buying/closing process. The qualification that nobody in the home can be under 19 is a restriction on everyone regardless of your own age.

These are facts. Not what I've heard or what I assume. I bought a brand new home earlier this year and my wife and I are both under 55, even if only for a relatively short time.

Why isn't this a problem? Again, refer to the 80-20 regulation. As long as people like me make up less than 20% of the population here, the regulation is satisfied. While I have met plenty of people in similar circumstances, I don't believe we make up anywhere near 20%, and like everyone else, we get older every day so we all get closer, on a daily basis, to moving from the 20% to the 80% as others come behind us.

Why does someone under 55 even want to move here? Same reasons as anyone else wants to move here, we just happen to be in a position to do it sooner than many. The one thing I hear from people here, over and over, is that they wish they would have moved here sooner - so I did.

[blueash]

How can you have it both ways? Refer to the much discussed 80-20 regulation.

You can buy a home in The Villages if you and everyone else in the home is under 55. Doesn't matter if it's a new home or pre-owned. No special conditions or forms to sign. You are treated just like anyone over 55 in the buying/closing process. The qualification that nobody in the home can be under 19 is a restriction on everyone regardless of your own age.

Why isn't this a problem? Again, refer to the 80-20 regulation. As long as people like me make up less than 20% of the population here, the regulation is satisfied. While I have met plenty of people in similar circumstances, I don't believe we make up anywhere near 20%, and like everyone else, we get older every day so we all get closer, on a daily basis, to moving from the 20% to the 80% as others come behind us.

Why does someone under 55 even want to move here? Same reasons as anyone else wants to move here, we just happen to be in a position to do it sooner than many. The one thing I hear from people here, over and over, is that they wish they would have moved here sooner - so I did.

You were doing so well with the explanation until that part I bolded. The regulation is that one person in each household must be 55 or older. Thus a single home with four owners of ages 55, 19, 19, and 19 technically is a senior owned home and counts toward the 80% requirement. The language of the law applies to every single 55+ development in the country. It is not specific to here. So in an extreme example of 25 homes like the one above, there would be 100 residents of the development with 25 people of age 55 and 75 of age 19. Of course there is only an 80 % requirement so you can substitute 5 more 19 year olds for 5 seniors and still be in compliance as you'd still have 20 of the 25 homes being owned by at least one person of age 55+. So 20 people age 55+ and 80 age 19. Isn't math fun?

[Chi33]

well, well, well. First to Ed's attack on my patriotism... you really don't know anything about me, coach (coach of what?).

Second, whomever doesn't believe there is more crime by people under 55 than by people over 55 are living in their own bubble (and not looking at what is in The Villages bubble)/

Third, Okay, 55 and under CAN, MAY LEGALLY, and ITS NONE OF MY BUSINESS. So. Get over it. What does someone who is an adult child living at home do in The Villages? Go to the town square to drink with the older folk? Play golf (I haven't seen that). Garden? Card games at the Rec centers? NONE of this really makes sense. They don't. Okay, play softball? Nope. Polo, not that I have seen in the stands. I'm still brain-storming? I know...

Being enabled BY their blind parents, drinking,... drinking.... I don't know.

And if someone has a collage degree then they can live on their own. Sorry, I don't buy it. We all have problems. What doesn't your highly functional son do for a life? Work? Well, if he can work, he can deal with living away from mommy and daddy? If he doesn't work, what does he do, stay home and watch TV? Does he drive? If he can drive, he can get away from the nest. And, if you have always had a son with issues, why would you move to the expensive villages.

You want to know the stats on healthcare here. Go look. Villages Regional gets 2.2 out of 5 stars with 175 reviews. Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville gets 4.2 stars out of 254 reviews. You know why? They young adult children and young people who live outside the bubble work at the Villages Regional. Well, they don't drive down from Jacksonville. Those are FACTS.

okay, to crime... this is written BY THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE FORUMS... (the TLTR is: there is, and for MOST part, it is younger people (not adult child mind you, but except for a handful, not retired adults. And... if your ADULT CHILD lives in the villages and isn't a shut-in, who do they hang out with? Old people (the answer is no), Young people from the surrounding area (yes).

This is the INSIDE THE BUBBLE article in full. Make your own decision. But it is my business, I pay to live here, and I pay taxes, and I pay fees to use the amenities. I don't want to be around a bunch of 35 years at the pool.

Does The Villages Have a Crime Problem?
For many years, The Villages really lived up to its monicker, “Florida’s Friendliest Hometown”.

If you were to ask any resident the top 4 or 5 things they like about the place, the words “low crime” are often included in their statements describing why they love The Villages.

And while the community does have a pretty low crime rate, crime does exist.

Most of the crime seems to be alcohol-related, including DUI’s and sometimes domestic disputes and battery.

But, the community has had its share of thefts and other crimes.

Just to give you one example, back in 2014 there were 8 burglaries in the span of about 60 days, with one taking place between 3 and 4 a.m. while the homeowners were asleep in their bed and resulted in the theft of a 50-inch TV, a Macintosh computer and a digital camera.

There have been other rashes of burglaries at various times.

Stolen carts and golf clubs happen fairly regularly as well.

In the December 2015 update to my book (I update it every 2 years or so), I shared a few of the crimes that had occurred in the few years prior to that update:

– Shortly before Christmas one year someone was arrested for stealing UPS pack- ages from the doorstep of a home in The Villages

– A man was arrested for stealing a purse and six credit cards from City Fire in Brownwood

– There were two recent carjackings that ended with crashes in The Villages

And, here are a few of the most notable crimes that have occurred in recent years:

– A group of Polish and Russian gypsies were arrested for stealing jewelry and silverware from homes in The Villages

– In the course of the same month, a Villages man was arrested after he physically assaulted a woman who was sitting in a chair he had saved at Spanish Springs Town Square

– An employee of McCall’s Tavern confronted two teenagers who were driving recklessly around Spanish Springs Town Square. The teens attacked the employee, and he died a week later from his injuries.

– A married Villages man was arrested for firing 33 shots into his neighbor’s home after she declined his repeated sexual advances. He later admitted to having a crush on the woman. (Luckily no one was injured)

– An employee of an electrical contractor stole rings valued at $13,500 from a home he was working on in The Villages to feed a prescription pill addiction

– A 60-year old Villages resident entered the VA Outpatient Clinic armed with an AM-15 rifle, at least two additional magazines containing 26 rounds of ammo each, and a 9-mm handgun. After confronting a Dr. in an exam room, a series of struggles ensued. The suspect’s gun was discharged multiple times, but thankfully nobody was hit. The gunman was restrained by clinic staff and patients and is in custody.

I’ve told people all along, first impressions aside, The Villages is just like any other place with a population of 125,000+ people.

There are always going to be people out to take advantage of such a high concentration of middle to upper class unsuspecting victims.

As one resident put it to me:

“The Villages has over 125,000 residents. It’s a cross section of America and much of the World. Are we really without any of the problems faced by other municipalities?”

Absolutely not, and the bigger it grows the more apparent that is to those who are paying attention.

In the past, much of what happens has gone unreported by the local media for various reasons which makes it really tough for residents, let alone prospective future residents, to get a handle on how much and what kind of crime problems The Villages really faces.

This has changed recently with new sites like **************.com coming online and covering this stuff, but not everybody knows where to look.

Basically my goal is to let current and future residents know that just because you live in or plan to move to what people describe as “Disney World for adults”, you cannot let your guard down.

Keep your doors locked at all times. Get a security system. Look out for your neighbors. Program the phone numbers for local police into your phone.

All things that seem like basic common sense but we are all guilty of forgetting sometimes.

And the same goes for wherever you decide to call home.


THESE ARE THE FACTS.


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[VillageIdiots]

You were doing so well with the explanation until that part I bolded. The regulation is that one person in each household must be 55 or older. Thus a single home with four owners of ages 55, 19, 19, and 19 technically is a senior owned home and counts toward the 80% requirement. The language of the law applies to every single 55+ development in the country. It is not specific to here. So in an extreme example of 25 homes like the one above, there would be 100 residents of the development with 25 people of age 55 and 75 of age 19. Of course there is only an 80 % requirement so you can substitute 5 more 19 year olds for 5 seniors and still be in compliance as you'd still have 20 of the 25 homes being owned by at least one person of age 55+. So 20 people age 55+ and 80 age 19. Isn't math fun?

You are conflating owners and residents. But you do acknowledge that it's an "extreme example". When you start seeing a preponderance of 55 year olds co-habitating with multiple teenagers, get back to us. To my knowledge, the Playboy mansion is nowhere near central Florida. :)

I've met people that moved here at a similar age to me and a few that actually bought property here when they were under 50, but I have yet to run into anyone that purchased property here prior to reaching legal drinking age.

[graciegirl]

You were doing so well with the explanation until that part I bolded. The regulation is that one person in each household must be 55 or older. Thus a single home with four owners of ages 55, 19, 19, and 19 technically is a senior owned home and counts toward the 80% requirement. The language of the law applies to every single 55+ development in the country. It is not specific to here. So in an extreme example of 25 homes like the one above, there would be 100 residents of the development with 25 people of age 55 and 75 of age 19. Of course there is only an 80 % requirement so you can substitute 5 more 19 year olds for 5 seniors and still be in compliance as you'd still have 20 of the 25 homes being owned by at least one person of age 55+. So 20 people age 55+ and 80 age 19. Isn't math fun?

Not exactly.

At least 80 percent of the units must have at least one occupant who is 55 years of age or older;

[VillageIdiots]

"Okay, play softball? Nope. "


"...much of what happens has gone unreported by the local media..."


No kids playing softball. But there is a minimum age to participate and, interestingly, it's not 55 or even 50, it's 40.

Why should the local media be any different than the rest of the media today? It's amazing to me the things that go on in this country, at all levels, that the media chooses not to report in order to maintain a certain narrative and agenda.

[sallybowron]

IMHO this thread has run its course. All the factions have been heard from and there is nothing more to add. The sweeping generalizations and broad brush condemnations have been made ad nauseum and we get where you stand. Thankfully, many have a more compassionate view.

Here is the fact - there is no rule, law, or covenant that prevents an adult child from living with their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, friends, enemies, benefactors, etc. If you want to legislate against that reality, good luck. Otherwise, just accept that this is reality or figure out a way to find a place that is totally free from such flaws and move there. Had Hitler prevailed in the 40s you might have found Deutchland to be perfect.

Well said Ed
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[Chi33]

Well said Ed
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Sally, I totally disagree with you. There is much to be said. Its the ones who keep just reading the title and not the thread who say (oh, its legal for 55 and under to live here).

That HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THREAD. It's a highjack deflection is all. Also, when someone doesn't want to read this, then they dismiss it. Why don't they just not read it?

So, does anyone here have an adult child living with them who can tell me what an average day is for them? I am interested.

PS: Sally, how was your surgery? Hope you feel better. Even people like me can pray.

[Marathon Man]

I believe that ownership is used. 80% of the homes must be owned by at least one person over 55. Who lives in the house does not matter. It's been a while since I read through the Housing for Older Persons Act, but that is my memory of it.

I never understood why some of my neighbors (everyone in TV is my neighbor) are so upset by this. OK. None of us knew the details of the 55+ restriction when we came here. Nor did we even think to look into it. Most or all of us thought that we would see only people in their late 50's and up. In other words, we thought that 55+ meant ONLY 55+. But, surprise, that is not what it means. I for one shrug my shoulders and consider it another of a million details in life that has not had a negative affect on me.

As far as the crimes committed by the so called "loser" children of residents, seems to me that most of them are drug possession and DWI. No different than many of the 55+ arrests.

[graciegirl]

I believe that ownership is used. 80% of the homes must be owned by at least one person over 55. Who lives in the house does not matter. It's been a while since I read through the Housing for Older Persons Act, but that is my memory of it.

I never understood why some of my neighbors (everyone in TV is my neighbor) are so upset by this. OK. None of us knew the details of the 55+ restriction when we came here. Nor did we even think to look into it. Most or all of us thought that we would see only people in their late 50's and up. In other words, we thought that 55+ meant ONLY 55+. But, surprise, that is not what it means. I for one shrug my shoulders and consider it another of a million details in life that has not had a negative affect on me.

As far as the crimes committed by the so called "loser" children of residents, seems to me that most of them are drug possession and DWI. No different than many of the 55+ arrests.

Excellent sane post. Mark me as your fan. Gracie.

[Chi33]

I saw a post (and it made me think of this) that an adopted adult child (29 years old) armed with kitchen knifes cornered his mother in a bedroom closet because he wanted more of his SSD benefits. That was on Wise Way in Pine Hills on the 18th (a week ago). What do you think Jonathan Wood does during the day? His name is fair game because he was booked.

yesterday, in The Villages of Malloy Square on Mullins Path, a 36 year old female (Elyse Marquette) was arrested for violating her probation. She was arrested at 11pm. Can you just imagine living next door when the SWAT team comes to arrest her? She was booked also so can be named.

There is an adult child crime thing going on, so once a week something is reported, that is still once a week! I have never been arrested as maybe many of you haven't. One time is too much. I am judging.