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Dynsol
09-22-2018, 01:23 PM
On Abana Path, just south of Pinellas Pl. in the Village of Fernandina, there is a home with a flag pole in front of the house mounted on the stucco with TWO Flags.

The Israel flag is above the USA flag.

Is this proper? Who enforces if not? Law if any?

I thought the USA Flag should always be displayed above any other flag!

Any knowledgeable people, please chime in!:pray:

Joeg180
09-22-2018, 01:33 PM
On a single flag pole the flag on top is the one that was the victor in a war between the two nations. So since we have never faced Israel in war it shouldn’t be displayed that way.

Who enforces this is the question.

jdsl1998
09-22-2018, 01:37 PM
When displayed with other flags, the size of the American Flag should be larger than the other flags or relatively equal to the size of the largest flag. Other flags should not overshadow the American Flag in any way.
The American Flag should be flown higher than lesser flags. If the flags are displayed on the same level, the American Flag should be flown to the (flag's own) right of all other flags. The right is a position of prominence.
If the flags of other nations are displayed with the American Flag, they should be of equal size and at equal heights on separate staffs at a time of peace. The American Flag should be displayed to the (flag's own) right but not higher than other national flags.
In a group of state, local and/or society flags, the American Flag should be flown highest and in the center.
The American Flag should be hoisted first and lowered last, when flown with other flags on adjacent staffs.
When the American Flag is displayed against a wall with another flag, it should be on the (flag's own) right with its staff in front of the other flag.
Another nation's flag shouldn't be displayed on the same halyard as the American Flag.
If a state, local or society flags are flown on the same halyard with the American Flag, the American Flag should be at the top.
If the American Flag is carried in a procession with other flags, it should be to its own right or in the center of a line of flags.

skip0358
09-22-2018, 01:40 PM
Can a foreign flag fly above the US flag?
Mexican-US flags
KRNV News 4
A situation arose in Reno, where a Mexican Flag was flown above the US flag on a single pole. This was a violation of the Flag Code and was apparently done to make a political statement.

Let's start by looking at the Flag Code. You will find there is a contradiction. First it says that all foreign flags should fly at the same height as the US flag. But later, it says that no foreign flag should fly at the same height as the US flag.

7g. reads, "When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace."

7c. starts, "No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America...

Perhaps you could contact one of the American Legions or the VFW and they could set them straight. If your on Face Book search for The Band of Brothers here in The Villages. You can send them a message I'm sure they would be happy to set them straight as to the proper way to display US Flag.

shalomuall
09-22-2018, 01:59 PM
The American flag is larger than my Israeli flag and they fly together on same pole & same hight.
Been flying them for 6 years now
It might have been easier to stop by and talk to me about it?

Bucco
09-22-2018, 02:26 PM
The American flag is larger than my Israeli flag and they fly together on same pole & same hight.
Been flying them for 6 years now
It might have been easier to stop by and talk to me about it?

Had they stopped to talk to you, there would be no thread and nobody to criticize and talk about.

SHALOM

If only this kind of talk actually translated to TRUE patriotism, and so not to generalize, it may be for the posters on here thus far which cannot be said for those who normally attack this kind of thing.

Kenswing
09-22-2018, 02:31 PM
Had they stopped to talk to you, there would be no thread and nobody to criticize and talk about.

SHALOM

If only this kind of talk actually translated to TRUE patriotism, and so not to generalize, it may be for the posters on here thus far which cannot be said for those who normally attack this kind of thing.
I think it's a stretch to say anyone was criticized here. The OP posted what they saw and asked "Is this proper? Who enforces if not? Law if any?"

Everyone else pretty much posted flag codes and regulations..

Every thread doesn't have to turn into a drama.

Bucco
09-22-2018, 02:33 PM
I think it's a stretch to say anyone was criticized here. The OP posted what they saw and asked "Is this proper? Who enforces if not? Law if any?"

Everyone else pretty much posted flag regulations...

Point well taken....

However, with directions to the house basically. You ARE right about the drama....just have gotten used to the same ole same ole on here on subjects like this. I excluded the posters up to my post from much criticism specifically, and criticism is always a step behind any of these threads.

Carl in Tampa
09-22-2018, 02:49 PM
HERE IS THE ANSWER.

According to the Flag Code, such display is improper.

Also, the Flag Code contains no penalties for not following the code, so don't get all worked up.

swooner
09-22-2018, 03:02 PM
Had they stopped to talk to you, there would be no thread and nobody to criticize and talk about.

SHALOM

If only this kind of talk actually translated to TRUE patriotism, and so not to generalize, it may be for the posters on here thus far which cannot be said for those who normally attack this kind of thing.

Mazel Tov!

Gpsma
09-22-2018, 03:39 PM
I was at this years memorial day service at spanish springs sponsored by the Jewish War Veterarns.

When they were called out to troop their colors they had an Israeli flag up front.

Just find it interesting that they carried a flag of a foreign country. But then again on St Pats day i see a lot of irish flags...and also on Colombus Day...many Italian flags.

How about we all dump foreign flags totally.

Nucky
09-22-2018, 04:39 PM
On Abana Path, just south of Pinellas Pl. in the Village of Fernandina, there is a home with a flag pole in front of the house mounted on the stucco with TWO Flags.

The Israel flag is above the USA flag.

Is this proper? Who enforces if not? Law if any?

I thought the USA Flag should always be displayed above any other flag!

Any knowledgeable people, please chime in!:pray:

I'm not going to Google or search for the answer but from my life experience which could be wrong, I believe that the American Flag flies in the highest spot. I would call the Police to question it and be guided from there. Community Watch would not be the call.

There is also no way that the address of the person should be listed and knocking on the door to talk about it is out of the question in my world. I have some heavy feeling's about the thing's that have happened to our flag lately and I don't want to upset a beautiful day getting into it as it won't change anyone else's outlook or feelings about Old Glory! Good Luck with this one, maybe it was an innocent mistake.

Dynsol
09-24-2018, 09:39 AM
The American flag is larger than my Israeli flag and they fly together on same pole & same hight.
Been flying them for 6 years now
It might have been easier to stop by and talk to me about it?

The American Flag is BELOW the Israel Flag, So they are NOT the same height!!!! And it does not look larger and thats not the point! Who cares how long! Still WRONG!!!!!!

Be honest!!!

Topspinmo
09-24-2018, 11:25 AM
IMO if lived in another Country I wouldn't Berate that Country by flying my Country flag in there Country. Only in America you can spit in our faces of men and women that died to keep this county free. In other countries might get you killed? Why disrespect the country you are in? Besides most really don't care what country you come from unless you got be dick about it. IF that country so great why aren't you still there? And why is it so important to fly foreign flag in another country? And to top it off our taxes dollars are propping up most countries in the world. IMO NO foreign aid shall be giving until our national debt paid off and our own Poor are taken care of. But, like %% we all have opinions.

Bogie Shooter
09-24-2018, 11:50 AM
In our free country, I think it would stupid to even consider banning foreign flags.

Bucco
09-24-2018, 12:03 PM
In our free country, I think it would stupid to even consider banning foreign flags.

The freedom we enjoy, which has not always been comfortable at any time, is sort of under a bit of scrutiny .

Nobody loves this country more than I, and I have proven it with acts, and I understand the uncomfortable feeling that is felt when this kind of thing comes up, but I always remember WHY and how we came to be, what our morals and standards were.

I simply know our country was founded on the premise that we are a country of laws and not men.

Realizing that, and knowing that freedom is not easy to maintain makes me love my country more when under attack.

There are ways to treat situations, and to discuss situations. I know my love of country is at least equal or exceeds others.

I hate to see our flag be used for politics, but it has survived

Rapscallion St Croix
09-24-2018, 12:15 PM
Since we will already have the torches and pitchforks deployed, let's go after those who fly the flag at night without proper illumination. Then we can extract a pound of flesh from those flying unserviceable flags. I know it is not in the code, but maybe we should target all those whose flags were not made in the USA. After that, if anyone wants to join me, I am going after the idiots who revoked Pluto's status as a planet.

CWGUY
09-24-2018, 12:43 PM
Since we will already have the torches and pitchforks deployed, let's go after those who fly the flag at night without proper illumination. Then we can extract a pound of flesh from those flying unserviceable flags. I know it is not in the code, but maybe we should target all those whose flags were not made in the USA. After that, if anyone wants to join me, I am going after the idiots who revoked Pluto's status as a planet.

:shocked: Pluto is a Disney Cartoon Character! :ohdear:

:pray: Now let's talk about my Mr. Christopher Medal. :icon_wink:

Rapscallion St Croix
09-24-2018, 01:19 PM
:shocked: Pluto is a Disney Cartoon Character! :ohdear:

:pray: Now let's talk about my Mr. Christopher Medal. :icon_wink:

That is a whole nother issue. Why is Pluto just a dog and Goofy is a dog that talks and wears clothes?

Bucco
09-24-2018, 01:38 PM
Since we will already have the torches and pitchforks deployed, let's go after those who fly the flag at night without proper illumination. Then we can extract a pound of flesh from those flying unserviceable flags. I know it is not in the code, but maybe we should target all those whose flags were not made in the USA. After that, if anyone wants to join me, I am going after the idiots who revoked Pluto's status as a planet.

I like your reference to the flags not made in this country.

I can recall, well NOT recall, note that young girls on the beach wearing bras with the American Flag being the premise of the entire bra seem to escape any criticism. :)

As I said, our freedom is not so simple. It has to be worked at, not simply spoken of. The carping about John Mcain on this very forum just, as they say, set my head ablaze. To even doubt his patriotism (and his hero actions are different but part of) because he does not follow a particular persuasion strikes me as the definition of someone being UN patriotic

Freedom needs work always...by everybody....we seem to have some who simply want to make an order about how you must act or be........I think it is rather easy to identify those whose love the country sincerely and those who are actually hiding behind the flag.

I never saw the man or lady who professed to own the flagpole come back and talk about it.....I sure hope directions published on how to get to his house did not disrupt him.

Have you seen the idiotic flag t shirts.....flag bowling balls....flag shorts......all of this escapes any critique somehow

PJOHNS2654
09-24-2018, 02:47 PM
I'm not going to Google or search for the answer but from my life experience which could be wrong, I believe that the American Flag flies in the highest spot. I would call the Police to question it and be guided from there. Community Watch would not be the call.

There is also no way that the address of the person should be listed and knocking on the door to talk about it is out of the question in my world. I have some heavy feeling's about the thing's that have happened to our flag lately and I don't want to upset a beautiful day getting into it as it won't change anyone else's outlook or feelings about Old Glory! Good Luck with this one, maybe it was an innocent mistake.

The Police don't want to get involved, No violation of Law.

Henryk
09-24-2018, 02:52 PM
On Abana Path, just south of Pinellas Pl. in the Village of Fernandina, there is a home with a flag pole in front of the house mounted on the stucco with TWO Flags.

The Israel flag is above the USA flag.

Is this proper? Who enforces if not? Law if any?

I thought the USA Flag should always be displayed above any other flag!

Any knowledgeable people, please chime in!:pray:

As far as I know no one enforces flag etiquette or “code.” If you think calling the law will make any difference, I think you’re wrong.

Chatbrat
09-24-2018, 04:00 PM
At least no ones taking a knee

Nucky
09-24-2018, 05:21 PM
The Police don't want to get involved, No violation of Law.

Who do you call if that's the route you decide to take? GhostBusters?

I'm also not Googling this so I don't know that a law isn't being broken either!

Can you imagine someone interrupting your meal or something important to speak about the configuration of your flags? The police would be there at the end anyway so why not call them first.

See something, Say Something, Does that ring a bell?

Maybe the person made a mistake with the flag, it is possible.

There are plenty of people who live down there who are qualified to handle this not me. My point is it could escalate if you approach the door of someone you don't know. Does that make sense?

Chatbrat how true no knee! I was thinking the same thing.

yabbadu
09-25-2018, 07:19 AM
I am curious????

What would happen if as an 'AMERICAN", I was living in Israel and I put out a flagpole with the USA Flag above the Israel flag????

Anybody know?

stan the man
09-25-2018, 09:09 AM
I am curious????

What would happen if as an 'AMERICAN", I was living in Israel and I put out a flagpole with the USA Flag above the Israel flag????

Anybody know?

marhabaan... You may be "the man who never returned"

Chi33
09-25-2018, 09:31 AM
Anyone can fly any flag above any flag. It is the first amendment.

However, local agreed upon signed contract can state how flags are flown and I think if they live in The Villages then only an American Flag may be flown. I could be wrong.

If this is true, then just complain to the board, take a photo and send it. That should correct this. Maybe they just don't know.

New Englander
09-25-2018, 09:36 AM
I am curious????

What would happen if as an 'AMERICAN", I was living in Israel and I put out a flagpole with the USA Flag above the Israel flag????

Anybody know?

Something very unpleasant.

Topspinmo
09-25-2018, 12:07 PM
Anyone can fly any flag above any flag. It is the first amendment.

However, local agreed upon signed contract can state how flags are flown and I think if they live in The Villages then only an American Flag may be flown. I could be wrong.

If this is true, then just complain to the board, take a photo and send it. That should correct this. Maybe they just don't know.

Has nothing to with the 1st. If you're citzen of the United States you follow flag code established centuries ago.
You can fly flag of you're wish in this country, but when flown with American flag it not supposed to above the American flag. Only one flag can be flown above American flag on us soil (navy ship at sea is us soil) A navel church flag during church service. Most people that's been in military know the rules on how to display flag. If the don't most don't disrespect the honor of flying our flag.

Topspinmo
09-25-2018, 12:08 PM
Something very unpleasant.

I doubt nothing would happen is Israel, but I wouldn't want to try in any other country.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
09-25-2018, 12:14 PM
The American flag is larger than my Israeli flag and they fly together on same pole & same hight.
Been flying them for 6 years now
It might have been easier to stop by and talk to me about it?

I don't mean any disrepect, but how can they fly on the same pole at the same height?

There is not actually any law regarding displaying the flag. But there is flag etiquette of what has become known as the U.S. Flag Code, passed by Congress in 1942.

Part of that code states: "When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height, and the American flag should be hoisted first and lowered last."

It's up to you.

blueash
09-25-2018, 12:51 PM
Has nothing to with the 1st. If you're citzen of the United States you follow flag code established centuries ago.
You can fly flag of you're wish in this country, but when flown with American flag it not supposed to above the American flag. Only one flag can be flown above American flag on us soil (navy ship at sea is us soil) A navel church flag during church service. Most people that's been in military know the rules on how to display flag. If the don't most don't disrespect the honor of flying our flag.

Please don't make stuff up. Google is your friend.

The Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman) has firmly established that treatment of the flag is covered under free speech. Read the court decision which absolutely said that "Free Speech" protects the choice of how to display or treat the US Flag. That is why you can burn it, spit on it (https://www.google.com/search?q=us+flag+condom&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wiBTVrEhyojr3M%253A%252CaRXzz7RGEeQ-eM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSbdyQNUUC10T-nM_EpAWMHLC7A0A&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU9PHg2NbdAhWG7lMKHW-KA1sQ9QEwAHoECAYQBA#imgrc=wiBTVrEhyojr3M:), wear it for underwear (https://www.shinesty.com/products/eagle-stars-stripes-boxers?utm_term=&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=g-us_ca-shopping-nb-underwear_ballpouch&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkaygutjW3QIVSl8NCh23RQ4REAQYASAB EgJ4zvD_BwE)or a tee shirt or a hat, or have American Flag Toilet Paper

(https://www.redbubble.com/people/derekbacon/works/27461672-stars-and-stripes-toilet-roll?finish=lustre&p=photographic-print&size=small&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=g.pla+notset&country_code=US&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvomKwtrW3QIViFuGCh3QaA3WEAYYASAB EgJHHvD_BwE)
The US Flag code is a set of suggestions which do not have any penalties thus lack the force of law.


As to your wrong claim that flag code was established centuries ago... well totally wrong as well. The first attempt at establishing rules of flag usage did not occur even one century ago, just in 1923. And the Federal government did not have what is now the flag code until after Pearl Harbor.


I think in today's contentious social media that there is a place for FACTS, real FACTS, not opinions stated as facts or completely untrue statements AKA lies, presented as facts.

Bucco
09-25-2018, 12:57 PM
Please don't make stuff up. Google is your friend.

The Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman) has firmly established that treatment of the flag is covered under free speech. Read the court decision which absolutely said that "Free Speech" protects the choice of how to display or treat the US Flag. That is why you can burn it, spit on it (https://www.google.com/search?q=us+flag+condom&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wiBTVrEhyojr3M%253A%252CaRXzz7RGEeQ-eM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSbdyQNUUC10T-nM_EpAWMHLC7A0A&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU9PHg2NbdAhWG7lMKHW-KA1sQ9QEwAHoECAYQBA#imgrc=wiBTVrEhyojr3M:), wear it for underwear (https://www.shinesty.com/products/eagle-stars-stripes-boxers?utm_term=&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=g-us_ca-shopping-nb-underwear_ballpouch&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkaygutjW3QIVSl8NCh23RQ4REAQYASAB EgJ4zvD_BwE)or a tee shirt or a hat, or have American Flag Toilet Paper

(https://www.redbubble.com/people/derekbacon/works/27461672-stars-and-stripes-toilet-roll?finish=lustre&p=photographic-print&size=small&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=g.pla+notset&country_code=US&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvomKwtrW3QIViFuGCh3QaA3WEAYYASAB EgJHHvD_BwE)
The US Flag code is a set of suggestions which do not have any penalties thus lack the force of law.


As to your wrong claim that flag code was established centuries ago... well totally wrong as well. The first attempt at establishing rules of flag usage did not occur even one century ago, just in 1923. And the Federal government did not have what is now the flag code until after Pearl Harbor.


I think in today's contentious social media that there is a place for FACTS, real FACTS, not opinions stated as facts or completely untrue statements AKA lies, presented as facts.

From memory, I believe that you and I have differing opinions regarding left/right, HOWEVER.....APPLAUD AND KUDOS...

For embracing truth and facts.

Our country better get back to facts and truth and quickly.

CWGUY
09-25-2018, 01:02 PM
Please don't make stuff up. Google is your friend.

The Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman) has firmly established that treatment of the flag is covered under free speech. Read the court decision which absolutely said that "Free Speech" protects the choice of how to display or treat the US Flag. That is why you can burn it, spit on it (https://www.google.com/search?q=us+flag+condom&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wiBTVrEhyojr3M%253A%252CaRXzz7RGEeQ-eM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSbdyQNUUC10T-nM_EpAWMHLC7A0A&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU9PHg2NbdAhWG7lMKHW-KA1sQ9QEwAHoECAYQBA#imgrc=wiBTVrEhyojr3M:), wear it for underwear (https://www.shinesty.com/products/eagle-stars-stripes-boxers?utm_term=&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=g-us_ca-shopping-nb-underwear_ballpouch&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkaygutjW3QIVSl8NCh23RQ4REAQYASAB EgJ4zvD_BwE)or a tee shirt or a hat, or have American Flag Toilet Paper

(https://www.redbubble.com/people/derekbacon/works/27461672-stars-and-stripes-toilet-roll?finish=lustre&p=photographic-print&size=small&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=g.pla+notset&country_code=US&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvomKwtrW3QIViFuGCh3QaA3WEAYYASAB EgJHHvD_BwE)
The US Flag code is a set of suggestions which do not have any penalties thus lack the force of law.


As to your wrong claim that flag code was established centuries ago... well totally wrong as well. The first attempt at establishing rules of flag usage did not occur even one century ago, just in 1923. And the Federal government did not have what is now the flag code until after Pearl Harbor.


I think in today's contentious social media that there is a place for FACTS, real FACTS, not opinions stated as facts or completely untrue statements AKA lies, presented as facts.

:ho: FACTS :mademyday:

Rapscallion St Croix
09-25-2018, 01:09 PM
Please don't make stuff up. Google is your friend.

The Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Eichman) has firmly established that treatment of the flag is covered under free speech. Read the court decision which absolutely said that "Free Speech" protects the choice of how to display or treat the US Flag. That is why you can burn it, spit on it (https://www.google.com/search?q=us+flag+condom&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wiBTVrEhyojr3M%253A%252CaRXzz7RGEeQ-eM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSbdyQNUUC10T-nM_EpAWMHLC7A0A&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU9PHg2NbdAhWG7lMKHW-KA1sQ9QEwAHoECAYQBA#imgrc=wiBTVrEhyojr3M:), wear it for underwear (https://www.shinesty.com/products/eagle-stars-stripes-boxers?utm_term=&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=g-us_ca-shopping-nb-underwear_ballpouch&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkaygutjW3QIVSl8NCh23RQ4REAQYASAB EgJ4zvD_BwE)or a tee shirt or a hat, or have American Flag Toilet Paper

(https://www.redbubble.com/people/derekbacon/works/27461672-stars-and-stripes-toilet-roll?finish=lustre&p=photographic-print&size=small&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=g.pla+notset&country_code=US&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvomKwtrW3QIViFuGCh3QaA3WEAYYASAB EgJHHvD_BwE)
The US Flag code is a set of suggestions which do not have any penalties thus lack the force of law.


As to your wrong claim that flag code was established centuries ago... well totally wrong as well. The first attempt at establishing rules of flag usage did not occur even one century ago, just in 1923. And the Federal government did not have what is now the flag code until after Pearl Harbor.


I think in today's contentious social media that there is a place for FACTS, real FACTS, not opinions stated as facts or completely untrue statements AKA lies, presented as facts.

You've never heard of "flag years"? Sheesh.

CWGUY
09-25-2018, 01:12 PM
You've never heard of "flag years"? Sheesh.

:1rotfl:

Bucco
09-25-2018, 03:04 PM
I am not so sure that saying the flag code is centuries old is a lie, but rather it is probably just an incorrect assumption, but I guess if the only tool one has is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

I suppose I am old fashioned but I try real hard not to make statements that I am not sure of, OR begin by saying.....such and such said.....and if shown wrong, I revisit, own up and apologize.

In this age, it is pretty easy to determine truth from lies....pretty easy to identify gray areas IF YOU WANT TO but the constant harangue about the flag disrespect and the flag used to cover women's breasts and wipe our butts, for some reason is not offensive.

Kenswing
09-25-2018, 03:11 PM
I suppose I am old fashioned but I try real hard not to make statements that I am not sure of, OR begin by saying.....such and such said.....and if shown wrong, I revisit, own up and apologize.

In this age, it is pretty easy to determine truth from lies....pretty easy to identify gray areas IF YOU WANT TO but the constant harangue about the flag disrespect and the flag used to cover women's breasts and wipe our butts, for some reason is not offensive.
Who says it's not offensive? :shrug:

I guarantee that if someone started a thread stating they saw someone wiping their butt with an American flag that it would get more of a response than this thread has. Disrespect to the flag is disrespect to the flag. There are many forms of it.

Bucco
09-25-2018, 03:28 PM
Who says it's not offensive? :shrug:

I guarantee that if someone started a thread stating they saw someone wiping their butt with an American flag that it would get more of a response than this thread has. Disrespect to the flag is disrespect to the flag. There are many forms of it.

Here is the point.....

The toilet tissue has been advertised for years....the bras have existed for years......flags have been buried in protest a number of times.....etc. etc.

YET, NEVER a word from anyone....EVER, until an action was taken with a specific message attached and done with some class, and THAT is headline news....talked about over and over. I know and understand why....and it is public knowledge should anyone want to know. I posted links to explain why that action was taken in the manner it was, but was deleted. I don't agree with ANY disrespect to the flag or what it represents, but I DO object to blatant messages being sent that certain people are disrespecting our country of the vets (a white green beret vet came up the current action) and ignoring others.

No comments on where the flags are manufactured (I mention that because of the current climate)......no comments on other disrespect at all.

I was on this forum a number of years ago, saying I was, and I think I used the word "dissapointed" with the actions of the Tea Party and the use of the flag.....was told by the same folks on here that find the actions taking a knee that is was justified at that time.

If you can clarify how that all can be, I will surely listen to you. I hope you don't think all this is or was a secret (the misuse of the flag, the bad treatment of the flag by organizations)

It is not an act of patriotism to bash others for their beliefs. For me, an act of patriotism is to listen and work to make my country better.....as I have said before and know to be a fact......our form of democracy requires work......not lip service (Not aimed specifically at you, but in general)

Bucco
09-25-2018, 03:41 PM
I just quickly looked around about the manufacture of American flags and found an interesting article about it..

"In 2001, Congress’s first Genuine American Flag Act intended to ban all American-flag imports to the United States. It came in direct response to two foreign threats: the sudden spike in flag imports after 9/11, and China’s recent ascension to the World Trade Organization."

"The Genuine American Flag Act never passed, and none of the subsequent All-American Flag Acts have gained enough support to ban federal purchases of foreign-made American flags. But state legislatures, including Arizona, Florida, Tennessee, Maryland, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin, have limited state purchases of the flag to U.S. manufacturers, while Minnesota has banned the sale of foreign-made American flags altogether."





The American Flag, Made in China - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/07/raising-the-american-flag-made-in-china/564293/)

In the day of tariff wars, etc, it is sort of confusing. I chose to link to this article because not much in the way of partisan words. A lot of others announce stats to make political points....this one was straightforward

Moderator
09-25-2018, 03:42 PM
The original topic was the practice of flying an Israeli Flag above a US flag. The discussion has veered way off course and towards partisan and political territory.

Please stay on topic or the thread will be closed.

Moderator

Kenswing
09-25-2018, 03:59 PM
The original topic was the practice of flying an Israeli Flag above a US flag. The discussion has veered way off course and towards partisan and political territory.

Please stay on topic or the thread will be closed.

ModeratorSorry about that. Please go ahead and delete my posts if they're too far off base.

fw102807
09-25-2018, 04:04 PM
Isn't anyone giving the guy credit for flying it at all? He obviously respects both flags.

CFrance
09-25-2018, 04:12 PM
Kenswing and Bucco have turned this into a good debate, done right. And I appreciate their offerings.

The United States happens to put much more of an emphasis on its country's flag than other nations do. You may see other countries' flags waved about in the Olympic games or international sporting events, but in reality, you don't see too much flag waving outside of the US. It's just not the norm. It could be that the person with the Israeli flag is unaware of the customs, or means no disrespect to the US, just wants to put his/her homeland first. I wouldn't take it personally. Perhaps a neighbor might talk to them about the national norms surrounding flag flying, but I would be surprised if these homeowners are making a political statement.

But in the event they are, it's their right. I wouldn't be a very popular one around here, but it would be their right.

Bucco
09-25-2018, 04:43 PM
Kenswing and Bucco have turned this into a good debate, done right. And I appreciate their offerings.

The United States happens to put much more of an emphasis on its country's flag than other nations do. You may see other countries' flags waved about in the Olympic games or international sporting events, but in reality, you don't see too much flag waving outside of the US. It's just not the norm. It could be that the person with the Israeli flag is unaware of the customs, or means no disrespect to the US, just wants to put his/her homeland first. I wouldn't take it personally. Perhaps a neighbor might talk to them about the national norms surrounding flag flying, but I would be surprised if these homeowners are making a political statement.

But in the event they are, it's their right. I wouldn't be a very popular one around here, but it would be their right.


Anyone hear again from the poster who said it was his/her pole and flags ?

jane032657
09-25-2018, 05:09 PM
Anyone hear again from the poster who said it was his/her pole and flags ?

She is my friend and has awareness. She is a positive minded person and enjoys her life in The Villages with her husband. They are both intelligent people. Not everyone wants to engage on TOTV. It is not a requirement to respond to everyone or anyone. It is not her thread.

Bucco
09-25-2018, 05:36 PM
She is my friend and has awareness. She is a positive minded person and enjoys her life in The Villages with her husband. They are both intelligent people. Not everyone wants to engage on TOTV. It is not a requirement to respond to everyone or anyone. It is not her thread.

Oh..understand my post was from curiosity only since there was a response at one time, not because of anything else.

Smart not to engage on here.