Candidate Palin

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Just wondering...

How can people be be so enamored with Sarah Palin as they watch her single item agenda unfold, that of non-stop baiting and ridiculing the President?

The latest 'hopey, changy' remarks are adolescent enough, but again today she used that knockout punch - reminding us that Obama uses a teleprompter. She did this while referring to the three words she had written on the palm of her hand to make sure she could remember how to answer a simple question about national priorities.

Let's not even count the past stuff about her questionable practices as governor, mother and VP candidate who could not answer simple questions about national affairs without extensive coaching.
Let's just look at her recent 'campaign'.

Please, anyone out there, explain to me how Ms Palin can be an intelligent, positive, creative, effective candidate for ANY office, much less for President.

(I'm looking for good solid reasons. Please don't criticize me for 1) Having the gall to ask the question, 2) being an Obama lover or a socialist, 3) not appreciating Ms Palin for being an attractive, single-minded, 'breath of fresh air', etc.

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Hum... well, I'd say she's just as qualified as our current president who by the way was only a senator for about a year. Before that he was a community organizer with zero business or governing experience. ZERO.

So Sarah wrote a couple notes on her hand. Big wow. Obama can't even address school children without his teleprompter. How is that impressive? I didn't see the state run media jumping all over him for it. The man can't leave his office without his prompter.

How can people be be so enamored with Sarah Palin as they watch her single item agenda unfold, that of non-stop baiting and ridiculing the President?

I think people are enamored with anyone who publicly and boldly speaks the truth about our current disaster of a one term President.

Honestly I don't think you're looking for solid reasons. You don't like her and that's the end of that. No solid reason given by anyone would change a thing about how you feel. I can answer this though. I do know why she is despised and attacked by the left unmercifully since day one. Because she scares the hell out of them... especially when she draws larger crowds than Obama.

Watch who the left attacks and you'll find out who they are afraid of.

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Sarah Palin has executive experience as a Mayor and Governor. What kind of executive experience does the First Telepromtper have?

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Hum... well, I'd say she's just as qualified as our current president who by the way was only a senator for about a year. Before that he was a community organizer with zero business or governing experience. ZERO.

So Sarah wrote a couple notes on her hand. Big wow. Obama can't even address school children without his teleprompter. How is that impressive? I didn't see the state run media jumping all over him for it. The man can't leave his office without his prompter.



I think people are enamored with anyone who publicly and boldly speaks the truth about our current disaster of a one term President.

Honestly I don't think you're looking for solid reasons. You don't like her and that's the end of that. No solid reason given by anyone would change a thing about how you feel. I can answer this though. I do know why she is despised and attacked by the left unmercifully since day one. Because she scares the hell out of them... especially when she draws larger crowds than Obama.

Watch who the left attacks and you'll find out who they are afraid of.

I do agree with one thing that Palin said. I believe she said that when and if the Republicans took power they would try to get Bipartisanship and if it did'nt work then they should just go ahead without it?? If this is what she said - maybe the Democrats should do that now??

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I bet Sarah at least knows how to pronounce corpsman.

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Betcha Sarah could give a speech to first graders without using two teleprompters. Go Sarah.

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I just wish that those folks who have the time and make the effort to come on this board to bash Sarah Palin would give the same effort and make the time to discuss what is really happening in this country, in congress and the WH, AND YOU WILL FIND WHY PALIN'S VOICE IS BEING HEARD.

You have the time and opinion on only this one woman.....that, to me is very strange !

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You wonder WHY Sarah Palin's voice is being heard ?

William Murchison captures much of it.....

"Did Sarah Palin bring down the house in Nashville, Tenn., at the big tea party bash and the next day at a Rick Perry rally in Texas? By virtue of her considered views on Federal Reserve reform or transportation policy? Nothing of the sort. She laid into the Washington politicians, calling for "another revolution." Wow. That's pretty stern talk. And the crowd loved it.

On Monday, a Rasmussen Poll indicated why. Seventy-five percent of likely voters, the polls said, are "at least somewhat angry at the government's current policies." That's both parties in the government. Sixty percent, according to Rasmussen, believe "that neither Republican political leaders nor Democratic political leaders have a good understanding of what is needed today." Just 52 percent thought that way in November. Forty-nine percent are worried not that the federal government will do too little to "help" the economy -- rather that it will do too much. Fifty-nine percent favor tax cuts over increased federal spending. For the size of the deficit, 83 percent blame Congress rather than want-it-all taxpayers.

In an interview before the Super Bowl, President Obama announced a Feb. 25 half-day "bipartisan health care summit" that he said would be televised live. The president said he wanted to see what Republicans could bring to the table -- except he won't allow them to propose taking time to start over again. No way, it seems, are we going to hit reset. We're going to figure a way to meld two bills that nobody anywhere likes very much.

Obama's aggressive tone to Republicans -- "How do you want to make sure that the 30 million people who don't have health insurance can get it? What are your ideas specifically"? -- pretty much dooms the event, save as an occasion for Democratic and media bashing of Republicans. On the other hand, that may not matter. Polls show Americans opposed to health care in its present big government configurations. Attempts to cram -- the precise the word for it -- health care down the nation's throat will meet a popular hostility, for which it seems to me the Washington establishment isn't prepared.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/02/09/mad_mad_mad_100216.html

You can bash the messenger....you can deny all you want what is happening in Washington, but IT IS REAL and it IS happening.

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Just wondering...

How can people be be so enamored with Sarah Palin as they watch her single item agenda unfold, that of non-stop baiting and ridiculing the President?

The latest 'hopey, changy' remarks are adolescent enough, but again today she used that knockout punch - reminding us that Obama uses a teleprompter. She did this while referring to the three words she had written on the palm of her hand to make sure she could remember how to answer a simple question about national priorities.

Let's not even count the past stuff about her questionable practices as governor, mother and VP candidate who could not answer simple questions about national affairs without extensive coaching.
Let's just look at her recent 'campaign'.

Please, anyone out there, explain to me how Ms Palin can be an intelligent, positive, creative, effective candidate for ANY office, much less for President.

(I'm looking for good solid reasons. Please don't criticize me for 1) Having the gall to ask the question, 2) being an Obama lover or a socialist, 3) not appreciating Ms Palin for being an attractive, single-minded, 'breath of fresh air', etc.

Great you just posted more proof that Liberals are afraid of a smart, successful, conservative, attractive woman who is a christian from real America.

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Sarah Palin is riding a wave she can't understand.

Quite frankly, it's the same mistake Obama (and plenty of other Democrats) made.

That mistake is in thinking the discontent of the populace is an endorsement of person pointing it out.

Sarah Palin's experience as mayor means nothing - have you seen the interview with Wasilla's mayor when she basically says the town does nothing (all the police and fire are state-based) and that the town employess show up once a week for their paychecks?

Then there is her experience as governor. ...of the biggest welfare state in the Union. She's never had a budget crisis because of all the oil money flowing in from Exxon, BP, et al. Every citizen gets a check from the government. EVERY CITIZEN OF ALASKA - and the longer you're a resident, the more you get paid.

I mean, here's a woman who think that her folsky "hockey mom" support is something that can translate to effective politics. She derides Obama for reading a teleprompter, yet apparently can't afford index cards and has to write on her hand. She decries political correctness, until someone ELSE uses the word "retarded" (and not even referring to people with mental handicaps) and then she's all "he ought to resign".

On the Democrat side, you have a charismatic orator who can move the masses and get a Nobel Peace Prize out of the deal, but apparently lacks the same skill with his own party enough to get things done.

On the GOP side you have incessant partisan politics (as in not voting for a bill you co-sponsored just because the President suddenly agreed with you) and flip-flops (I'm talking to you Senator McCain).

If that's not an argument for having a viable third party, term-limits, electoral reform and perhaps not voting for a single incumbent, I don't know what is.

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Sarah Palin is riding a wave she can't understand.

Quite frankly, it's the same mistake Obama (and plenty of other Democrats) made.

That mistake is in thinking the discontent of the populace is an endorsement of person pointing it out.

Sarah Palin's experience as mayor means nothing - have you seen the interview with Wasilla's mayor when she basically says the town does nothing (all the police and fire are state-based) and that the town employess show up once a week for their paychecks?

Then there is her experience as governor. ...of the biggest welfare state in the Union. She's never had a budget crisis because of all the oil money flowing in from Exxon, BP, et al. Every citizen gets a check from the government. EVERY CITIZEN OF ALASKA - and the longer you're a resident, the more you get paid.

I mean, here's a woman who think that her folsky "hockey mom" support is something that can translate to effective politics. She derides Obama for reading a teleprompter, yet apparently can't afford index cards and has to write on her hand. She decries political correctness, until someone ELSE uses the word "retarded" (and not even referring to people with mental handicaps) and then she's all "he ought to resign".

On the Democrat side, you have a charismatic orator who can move the masses and get a Nobel Peace Prize out of the deal, but apparently lacks the same skill with his own party enough to get things done.

On the GOP side you have incessant partisan politics (as in not voting for a bill you co-sponsored just because the President suddenly agreed with you) and flip-flops (I'm talking to you Senator McCain).

If that's not an argument for having a viable third party, term-limits, electoral reform and perhaps not voting for a single incumbent, I don't know what is.


Pretty much what I was trying to say......folks appear to get hung up on THE MESSENGER, her family, how she looks, etc., instead of the message that is getting through !

Wake up to what is going on in Washington !!!!

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Sarah Palin is riding a wave she can't understand.

Quite frankly, it's the same mistake Obama (and plenty of other Democrats) made.

That mistake is in thinking the discontent of the populace is an endorsement of person pointing it out.

Sarah Palin's experience as mayor means nothing - have you seen the interview with Wasilla's mayor when she basically says the town does nothing (all the police and fire are state-based) and that the town employess show up once a week for their paychecks?

Then there is her experience as governor. ...of the biggest welfare state in the Union. She's never had a budget crisis because of all the oil money flowing in from Exxon, BP, et al. Every citizen gets a check from the government. EVERY CITIZEN OF ALASKA - and the longer you're a resident, the more you get paid.

I mean, here's a woman who think that her folsky "hockey mom" support is something that can translate to effective politics. She derides Obama for reading a teleprompter, yet apparently can't afford index cards and has to write on her hand. She decries political correctness, until someone ELSE uses the word "retarded" (and not even referring to people with mental handicaps) and then she's all "he ought to resign".

On the Democrat side, you have a charismatic orator who can move the masses and get a Nobel Peace Prize out of the deal, but apparently lacks the same skill with his own party enough to get things done.

On the GOP side you have incessant partisan politics (as in not voting for a bill you co-sponsored just because the President suddenly agreed with you) and flip-flops (I'm talking to you Senator McCain).

If that's not an argument for having a viable third party, term-limits, electoral reform and perhaps not voting for a single incumbent, I don't know what is.

And what experience does Obama have besides community organizing?.
Nobel Peace Prize? That has to be the biggest joke in history.
The First Teleprompter will go down in history as the biggest mistake the Lamestream Media pulled on the citizens of the United States.

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Donna2: Did you not catch my criticism of Obama in there?

My point was that there do not seem to be ANY politicians that are worth anything. When the GOP was in charge, the Dems looked like the Great Hope. Now that the Dems are in charge, the GOP is trying to look like the Great Hope. They're both focused on each other, it seems, and not on doing anything for the country.

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Great you just posted more proof that Liberals are afraid of a smart, successful, conservative, attractive woman who is a christian from real America.

While the other posters have either again used a post to bash the President or wrote about something else, so far this is the only response directed at the question. But it hardly qualifies as an explanation.

Ms Palin is NOT smart. There is simply overwhelming evidence of her woeful lack of knowledge about the country and the world.
Ms Palin has NOT been particularly successful as a mayor or governor. djplong's post is a pretty good summary.
I don't think the Alaskans who know her best would agree Ms Palin always practiced good christian values in her dealings there.
Ms Palin IS conservative, but I don't understand how that EXPLAINS why she is a good candidate for public office. It is as much a qualification as one's height or weight.
Finally, Ms Palin IS UNDENIABLY attractive. In fact one could argue she may be the most physically attractive national candidate person ever. So how is that more relevant than her height and weight?

The problem is that physical attractiveness is absolute magic in America. Literally millions of voters have been and will continue to be mesmerized by 'Hollywood types' simply because they are pretty. Add to that a 'shoot from the hip' mouth and a 'common person' image and you have Madison Avenue's perfect candidate. If you look at our history there are tons of examples of how attractive people with polished images were chosen to all kinds of positions primarily because of these characteristics. Democrat or Republican, it just hasn't mattered.

What amazes me is that so many people look at phenomena like the tea parties and Ms Palin's statements and convince themselves that THIS IS THE ANSWER. They hear that the current administration may be struggling to get things done and conclude that everything about that administration must be wrong, and the Ms Palin's must be right.

Unfortunately this simplistic view of politics will always limit our chances of being represented by the BEST people. But when you add the magic ingredient, physical beauty, millions more than usual will be blinded and there is virtually no chance of electing the most qualified candidates.

Back to my question. Can someone EXPLAIN why Ms. Palin is a good candidate for important public office?

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While the other posters have either again used a post to bash the President or wrote about something else, so far this is the only response directed at the question. But it hardly qualifies as an explanation.

Ms Palin is NOT smart. There is simply overwhelming evidence of her woeful lack of knowledge about the country and the world.
Ms Palin has NOT been particularly successful as a mayor or governor. djplong's post is a pretty good summary.
I don't think the Alaskans who know her best would agree Ms Palin always practiced good christian values in her dealings there.
Ms Palin IS conservative, but I don't understand how that EXPLAINS why she is a good candidate for public office. It is as much a qualification as one's height or weight.
Finally, Ms Palin IS UNDENIABLY attractive. In fact one could argue she may be the most physically attractive national candidate person ever. So how is that more relevant than her height and weight?

The problem is that physical attractiveness is absolute magic in America. Literally millions of voters have been and will continue to be mesmerized by 'Hollywood types' simply because they are pretty. Add to that a 'shoot from the hip' mouth and a 'common person' image and you have Madison Avenue's perfect candidate. If you look at our history there are tons of examples of how attractive people with polished images were chosen to all kinds of positions primarily because of these characteristics. Democrat or Republican, it just hasn't mattered.

What amazes me is that so many people look at phenomena like the tea parties and Ms Palin's statements and convince themselves that THIS IS THE ANSWER. They hear that the current administration may be struggling to get things done and conclude that everything about that administration must be wrong, and the Ms Palin's must be right.

Unfortunately this simplistic view of politics will always limit our chances of being represented by the BEST people. But when you add the magic ingredient, physical beauty, millions more than usual will be blinded and there is virtually no chance of electing the most qualified candidates.

Back to my question. Can someone EXPLAIN why Ms. Palin is a good candidate for important public office?

She is Qualified, honest and love's our Country.

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Cashman: I know this is gong to sound sarcastic, but it's not. I genuinely want to know where you're coming from on this.

Your points:

Qualified. How? The mayor of Wasilla does almost nothing. The governor has the easiest job of all 50 governors - never has to balance a budget and pays cash to every voter every year - the very definition of welfare. Other than raising a family, what has she done that qualifies her for national office? And don't deflect with "Obama isn't experienced either" - 2 wrongs don't make a right. And let's not forget that she quit her job before her term was up and said "I'm not quitting" in the very speech where she *quit*!

Honest: Now it's turning out that there are serious questions about the role her husband played in state government. And if someone could keep up the ridiculous questioning of Obama's citizenship, the questions surrounding Palin's ethics certainly have more meat to them. I mean, when a panel says "what you did was legal but not ethical", that's a weak defense.

Love's our country: Ok, I'll agree with you there.

What specific qualifications does Palin have?

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He had the ability to "EARN" a Nobel Peace Price....surely you jest. A gifted orator....I fear not. Yes he is a good reader. Without notes or a teleprompter he is no more talented than an average trained lawyer.

GOP has incesent partisan politics. Again you jest. Nancy Pelosi is the poster child of partisan politics. She openly admits she is against "anything" the opposition is in favor of...do you call the Dems need to use partisan shenanigans to pass health care reform whether the GOP or we the people like it or not....what? Thank GOD Mass. election came along with a wake up call.

I think others above have said it....just put the name Palin in a sentence and stand back and watch the shrapnel delivery.
Also as said above, it is too bad those who so adamantly are against Palin, cannot find the same thought process to discuss issues.

Since we don't deal in miracles we will just have to live with the faults of we the mortals.

btk

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He had the ability to "EARN" a Nobel Peace Price....surely you jest. A gifted orator....I fear not. Yes he is a good reader. Without notes or a teleprompter he is no more talented than an average trained lawyer.

GOP has incesent partisan politics. Again you jest. Nancy Pelosi is the poster child of partisan politics. She openly admits she is against "anything" the opposition is in favor of...do you call the Dems need to use partisan shenanigans to pass health care reform whether the GOP or we the people like it or not....what? Thank GOD Mass. election came along with a wake up call.

I think others above have said it....just put the name Palin in a sentence and stand back and watch the shrapnel delivery.
Also as said above, it is too bad those who so adamantly are against Palin, cannot find the same thought process to discuss issues.

Since we don't deal in miracles we will just have to live with the faults of we the mortals.

btk

Kindly open your own thread if you insist on rehashing the same angry, venomous bombast I specifically requested not be part of this discussion. I'd like to read explanations of the candidate's qualifications. My dear, how is that not discussing the issues?!

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Just wondering...

How can people be be so enamored with Sarah Palin as they watch her single item agenda unfold, that of non-stop baiting and ridiculing the President?

The latest 'hopey, changy' remarks are adolescent enough, but again today she used that knockout punch - reminding us that Obama uses a teleprompter. She did this while referring to the three words she had written on the palm of her hand to make sure she could remember how to answer a simple question about national priorities.

Let's not even count the past stuff about her questionable practices as governor, mother and VP candidate who could not answer simple questions about national affairs without extensive coaching.
Let's just look at her recent 'campaign'.

Please, anyone out there, explain to me how Ms Palin can be an intelligent, positive, creative, effective candidate for ANY office, much less for President.

(I'm looking for good solid reasons. Please don't criticize me for 1) Having the gall to ask the question, 2) being an Obama lover or a socialist, 3) not appreciating Ms Palin for being an attractive, single-minded, 'breath of fresh air', etc.To qualify as a candidate she must be a native born US citizen and then be chosen by the party she represents.

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Ms Palin is NOT smart. There is simply overwhelming evidence of her woeful lack of knowledge about the country and the world.
Ms Palin has NOT been particularly successful as a mayor or governor. djplong's post is a pretty good summary.
I don't think the Alaskans who know her best would agree Ms Palin always practiced good christian values in her dealings there.
Ms Palin IS conservative, but I don't understand how that EXPLAINS why she is a good candidate for public office. It is as much a qualification as one's height or weight.
Finally, Ms Palin IS UNDENIABLY attractive. In fact one could argue she may be the most physically attractive national candidate person ever. So how is that more relevant than her height and weight?

[QUOTE]Ms. Palin is not smart Describe smart. (57 states, cannot pronounce "corpsman")
Not successful as governor? By all accounts she was a good governor.

Does not have good christian value? That is ridiculous.

Sarah attractive. Don't hold that against her.


How do you describe smart? This president will not say there is a war on terror but said there is a war on junk food. This is also the guy who said the cops acted stupidly because they arrested his buddy.

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75% of Americans lean toward conservative values.

Palin is a conservative which is smart of her.

80% or more of Americans are christians.

Palin is a Christian.

United States is based on a constitution.

Palin is a believer in our constitution.

The private sector fuels the economy.

Palin believes that.

Terrorists are at war with us and should not be treated as common criminals.

Palin says that every day.


I could list many more reasons why she is smart but Liberals hear only what suits their ideology and Palin is a threat to that ideology.

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Well stated Cashman.

I read this article this morning. It is about misunderstanding the Tea Party.

My husband sent me this link.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/09/misunderstanding-the-tea-party/

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hit a nerve!!!! "...the same angry, venomous bombast I specifically requested not be part of this discussion..."

Wow!!!! How totally incorrect and off the mark.

Ah-ha! I think I have it. It was not in line with what is expected to be heard.

Very simply, it was a counter point. Last I checked that was still allowed.

btk

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Let's see, we've still got a couple of posters bashing the President, but one who seems to be trying, but hasn't yet responded to the question.

Cashman - How can you leap miles from saying that a person who has a label, like 'christian' or 'conservative' etc, embodies the qualities of that label. There are zillions of very bad people with those and other 'good' labels who have committed serious, even outrageous crimes. Bernie Madoff believes in the constitution, he is trying to use it in every way possible to get out of jail!
It's the person, their behavior and accomplishments which count - not the label.

So once again, please EXPLAIN Ms Palin's high qualities and excellent behavior which make her a good candidate for national office.

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Let's see, we've still got a couple of posters bashing the President, but one who seems to be trying, but hasn't yet responded to the question.

Cashman - How can you leap miles from saying that a person who has a label, like 'christian' or 'conservative' etc, embodies the qualities of that label. There are zillions of very bad people with those and other 'good' labels who have committed serious, even outrageous crimes. Bernie Madoff believes in the constitution, he is trying to use it in every way possible to get out of jail!
It's the person, their behavior and accomplishments which count - not the label.

So once again, please EXPLAIN Ms Palin's high qualities and excellent behavior which make her a good candidate for national office.

`What exactly was Obama's accomplishments before he was elected president?

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Cashman: I'll take your points. First, let me state that it's not conservatism that I'm against - I just think Palin is the wrong person to take up the banner. It's like how the GOP was *salivating* over the prospect of Hillary as the Democrat nominee since she was so easy to beat in an election - there was so much to use against her. One could be snarky and say that she was so easy to beat that a junior senator from Illinois with no experience beat her.

75% of Americans lean towards conservative values

Can you expand on that? "Conservative Values" cover a *lot* of ground and, if that were the case, the 'conservative' candidate would win with, presumably, 75% of the vote. Now, mind you, I'm going on my own experience here, but it seems to me that the candidate most likely to 'catch fire' with the public is one who has a touch of both. I'll explain.

Fiscal Conservative - we all want our tax money being spent wisely, not on bridges to nowhere. Oddly enough, despite all the discontent, we are apparently the envy of the world when it comes to compliance rates when paying our taxes. We want to know that we're getting our money's worth and, I think most of us here would agree, there's a lot of waste out there. Heck, my own job has waste in it. But the government appears to want to convert my position from a contractor to an 'organic' position - which means instead of a defense contractor getting paid and paying me, the government will pay me directly - and save a LOT of money in the process.

Social Liberal - By that I mean the sense that we have in this country of "you have your business, I have mine - and we keep our noses out of each other's private matters". In other words, it doesn't matter if I have a gay couple living next door. Doesn't affect me in the least. It doesn't matter if other people are doing things THAT DO NOT IMPINGE ON MY RIGHTS. You know, the old "your right to swing your fist ends at my nose" sentiment. But with that should come PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY (something that seems to be lacking all too much in today's Professional Victimhood ethos).

Maintain a basic social safety net as a TEMPORARY helping hand to people who have fallen on hard times and provide services that promote the general welfare (defense, transportation network, justice system, etc) and you have a good mix.

Palin is a conservative

She's never had her values tested - not as governor. She kept the oil money flowing as welfare checks to the citizens of Alaska, right wrong or indifferent. You could *almost* be a trained monkey and run Alaska because of the oil revenues.

80% or more of Americans are christians.

Palin is a Christian.

Means nothing. Northern Ireland was just about 100% Christian and look what it did for them until recently. What kind of Christian? Perhaps the Seventh Day Adventists who came from a following that believed the world was ending in the 1800s? The Jehovah's Witnesses who've had several end-of-the-world dates? Catholic (which I was raised) who protected and promoted child rapists while telling me I would go to hell for eating a hamburger on a Friday? Any of the evangelical sects that have the head preacher railing aginst various evils, then checking into motels at night to perform those same said evils?

United States is based on a constitution.

Palin is a believer in our constitution.

ALL countries are based on a Constitution. Ever read the one for China? It's a fascinating read. George Bush said he believed in the Constitution yet repeatedly violated it (in different ways than people say Obama wants to violate it). Palin won't get to be judged on this, though.

The private sector fuels the economy.

Palin believes that.

Any sane person does. Even the most flaming liberals I know believe that. It's just what you do with said private sector where the arguments start. Do you let them run free and unregulated in some sort of Objectivist Utopia? The financial collapse showed the folly of that. Most people I know might not agree with everything the FDA does, but they want someone inspecting the meat so that we find out problems that result in meat recalls, not people dying and THEN having an investigation start.

Terrorists are at war with us and should not be treated as common criminals.

We've managed to do exactly that to several hundred terrorists. They're behind bars and aren't escaping. If there's one thing we're good at here in this country, it's building prisons.

Look, I agree with MANY conservative principles. I just think Sarah Palin is the WRONG person to be leading the charge. A lot of people will dismiss her because of the things she's done. She's no Ronald Reagan.

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Hey Donna2

Your last post, you whiffed again. Not even counting a couple of mulligans, that's strike three. You may return to the bench now.

(still looking for someone who can hit in this 'lob pitch' thread!)

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Hey Donna2

Your last post, you whiffed again. Not even counting a couple of mulligans, that's strike three. You may return to the bench now.

(still looking for someone who can hit in this 'lob pitch' thread!)

It is hard to hit a home run when you start a thread with a spit ball.

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Back to my question. Can someone EXPLAIN why Ms. Palin is a good candidate for important public office?

First, I will not state that Sarah Palin is the best-qualified candidate for national office. She well may be so on the basis of her record and accomplishments, but there are other qualified candidates such as Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton.

Now, let's look at her responsibilities as governor. Some have stated that she was governor of the smallest state in the union. Au contraire mon fraire. She was responsible for the largest state in the union. Not in population, but in size, coastline (greater the entire coastline of our Atlantic and Gulf states put together), bio-diversity, and difficulty in communications/transportation. She succeeded in helping Alaska towards better communications and transportation.

The objection that she took advantage of income from private enterprise rings while developing much needed energy seems specious.
That our governor should be equally effective in saving the taxpayers money would seem to be a good thing.

Sarah Palin as a part of the McCain team advocating getting needed energy from all potential sources including drilling for oil and natural gas, nuclear power and clean goal. Obama is slowly coming to realize this need. His beloved solar and wind power are not going to meet the need. A day late, a dollar short and far from dealing in reality. Palin knew what needed to be done from the start – I’m far from sure that Obama has figured it out yet. No legislation has been introduced supporting these actions.

Yes, Sarah Palin is a straight thinking, action oriented person who might well make a good President. She is, in many ways, a later day Teddy Roosevelt.

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Teddy Roosevelt?!?!?! The man who led the charge up San Juan Hill? The man who practically INVENTED the National Park system?

The latest figures I could find for the population of Alaska were just over 686,000. Compare this to my home state of NH at 1.3M. We manage to get by without a sales or income tax and have a lot of people moving up here from Massachusetts expecting services to come with them. I'll put Governor Lynch (whom I don't agree with very often) agains Ms. Palin any day of the week when it comes to having to get a job done.

In other words, the population of Boston - just the city limits, not the metro area. This population is spread over an area half the size of 'the lower 48'.

So let's look at Palin's experience. On the Wasilla City council for 4 years, mayor for 6. Lost an election for Lt. Governor in '02 and chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Coservation Commission from 2003 until she resigned in '04. In '06, she became governor and resigned in '09. It still puzzles me as to why she resigned. I still can't get over her saying "I am not quitting" in the very speech where she said she was quitting.

To compare her to Teddy Roosevelt isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison. You're comparing a 200-year-old oak tree to an acorn. Take a look at the two Wikipedia pages. Even if you ignore the section on Palin's controversies (which are flagged as "may not be neutral") the differences are striking.

I think so many people have jumped on the Palin bandwagon because they're looking for SOMEone to carry their torch annd while Palin has the 'looks' and the charisma, she doesn't (to me) seem to have the substance to back it up. Let's face it, isn't that some of the same criticism going to Obama?

That being said, I don't know if ANYONE can run the gauntlet that the press puts up. I mean, if Jesus Christ himself were running for office, the press would be running investigative stories into who his 'real' father was, who was Joseph covering up for, was Mary telling the truth and why is his inner circle of advisors entirely male?

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all the shady background associations, along with his non performance in voting on issues as a senator can schmooze and double speak and dupe just enough voters to get him elected.......why are some all of a sudden wanting to be "qualified" conscience with ANYBODY who throws their hat in the ring?

The discussion should be, almost anybody is a viable candidate if the likes of an Obama resume' and background can pull it off.....eh?

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Teddy Roosevelt?!?!?! The man who led the charge up San Juan Hill? The man who practically INVENTED the National Park system?

The latest figures I could find for the population of Alaska were just over 686,000. Compare this to my home state of NH at 1.3M. We manage to get by without a sales or income tax and have a lot of people moving up here from Massachusetts expecting services to come with them. I'll put Governor Lynch (whom I don't agree with very often) agains Ms. Palin any day of the week when it comes to having to get a job done.

In other words, the population of Boston - just the city limits, not the metro area. This population is spread over an area half the size of 'the lower 48'.

So let's look at Palin's experience. On the Wasilla City council for 4 years, mayor for 6. Lost an election for Lt. Governor in '02 and chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Coservation Commission from 2003 until she resigned in '04. In '06, she became governor and resigned in '09. It still puzzles me as to why she resigned. I still can't get over her saying "I am not quitting" in the very speech where she said she was quitting.

To compare her to Teddy Roosevelt isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison. You're comparing a 200-year-old oak tree to an acorn. Take a look at the two Wikipedia pages. Even if you ignore the section on Palin's controversies (which are flagged as "may not be neutral") the differences are striking.

I think so many people have jumped on the Palin bandwagon because they're looking for SOMEone to carry their torch annd while Palin has the 'looks' and the charisma, she doesn't (to me) seem to have the substance to back it up. Let's face it, isn't that some of the same criticism going to Obama?

That being said, I don't know if ANYONE can run the gauntlet that the press puts up. I mean, if Jesus Christ himself were running for office, the press would be running investigative stories into who his 'real' father was, who was Joseph covering up for, was Mary telling the truth and why is his inner circle of advisors entirely male?


"That being said, I don't know if ANYONE can run the gauntlet that the press puts up. I mean, if Jesus Christ himself were running for office, the press would be running investigative stories into who his 'real' father was, who was Joseph covering up for, was Mary telling the truth and why is his inner circle of advisors entirely male?[/QUOTE]

Please tell me that you understand that this DID NOT OCCUR IN THE LAST ELECTION.....our President had/has so many skeletons in his closet..some discussed and ignored...some just ignored.

There was more discussion of Sarah Palin's DAUGHTERS than of Rev Wright, the mentor for 20 years of our President....there was more discussion of Sarah Palin's new child than of our Presidents relationship with MANY left wing radicals. Bill Ayers was simply set aside, but the press descended on Alaska to investigate Palin as if it were in fact the investigation of Jesus Christ.

John Edwards had rumors circulating about him during the campaign...unreported by the MSM. Palin had her entire family under the microscope.

The press is very very very selective as to where they shine their spotlight !

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"That being said, I don't know if ANYONE can run the gauntlet that the press puts up. I mean, if Jesus Christ himself were running for office, the press would be running investigative stories into who his 'real' father was, who was Joseph covering up for, was Mary telling the truth and why is his inner circle of advisors entirely male?

Please tell me that you understand that this DID NOT OCCUR IN THE LAST ELECTION.....our President had/has so many skeletons in his closet..some discussed and ignored...some just ignored.

There was more discussion of Sarah Palin's DAUGHTERS than of Rev Wright, the mentor for 20 years of our President....there was more discussion of Sarah Palin's new child than of our Presidents relationship with MANY left wing radicals. Bill Ayers was simply set aside, but the press descended on Alaska to investigate Palin as if it were in fact the investigation of Jesus Christ.

John Edwards had rumors circulating about him during the campaign...unreported by the MSM. Palin had her entire family under the microscope.

The press is very very very selective as to where they shine their spotlight ![/QUOTE]

Agree 100%.

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Mind you, this is my impression..

I think Obama got a bit of a free pass because the press was afraid to be labeled racist. "White Liberal Guilt" isn't exactly a figment of someone's imagination.

I think Palin's daughters got about as much discussion as Obama's birth certificate. I think Rev. Wright got a not-complete-pass because half the people who were looking to discredit Obama by association were trying to say he was Muslim, which conflicted with Obama-under-the-Christian-Wright.

I think Obama got mileage out of the fact that, when the candidate revealed their health records, Obama was far more open about his 3-page summary than the inches-thick summary that only SOME reporters were allowed to see with NO recording devices (not even a tape recorder to take notes) for only a few minutes.

McCain flip-flopped on many things since his previous candidacy - and was perceived here in NH as a "sellout". Obama's inexperience was actually a plus in this regard as he hadn't had as much opportunity to flip-flop on anything.

Obama was young, vibrant and, yes, black. McCain came across like a crotchedy old grandfather who was a card-carrying member of "Ye Olde Boys Network". Like it or not, that played on the news.

Selecting Palin was a HUGE boost for about 8 hours - and then was revealed for the stupidity that it was.

But, more than anything else, Americans wanted to repudiate George Bush *big time* and McCain just didn't look "different" enough in his policies. Voting for McCain looked like it would be a vote for "more of the same".

To this day I don't think Obama won the election NEARLY as much as McCain lost it.

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djplong--- I disagree about Palin. You say it was a boost for about 8 hours. I think McPain would have lost by a lot more if it wasn't for Palin. i had to hold my nose to vote for him, but it was a little easier with Palin on the ticket.

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djplong--- I disagree about Palin. You say it was a boost for about 8 hours. I think McPain would have lost by a lot more if it wasn't for Palin. i had to hold my nose to vote for him, but it was a little easier with Palin on the ticket.

I agree. I think Diplong's hatred clouds his memory. Obama is half white, don't forget. What gave Obama the edge is the young vote and the media's bias. If the media spent one tenth of it's resources investigating Obama that it spent trying to dig dirt on Palin, Sarah would be Vice President. I would feel more comfortable with Sarah then I do with bumbling Joe Biden.

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On Sept. 3, 2008, I sat alone in a condo in Woodbridge, Va., just 20 minutes from our nation's capital in downtown Washington, DC, watching the RNC Convention. My husband was working nights in downtown DC doing construction on a juvenile holding facility at a federal courthouse across from the DC Metro Police Station.

When the sun went down on the DC Metro Police cars parked across from his job site, he worked while holding at bay derelicts, hookers, drug addicts, homeless, union minority subcontractors (some who couldn't count) and DC Court officials. As he watched the reality of our nation's capital, I was home, naive, in a gated community on a golf course digesting my first few weeks in Northern Virginia. (I am a native of Virginia, but not this Virginia.) My bubble was bursting. I was growing up. I have always held the area and the government positions in high esteem. Corruption would be brought to the daylight by the majority. Not everyone is involved in a evil or wrong-doing, and those who aren't will expose it, I was taught.

Sarah Palin, someone I'd never heard of, let alone seen on television, spoke giving her acceptance speech for the nomination for Vice President of the United States. "...against confident opponents...at a crucial hour for our country," she said. Looking like a neighbor, a girlfriend I shopped with or had coffee with a Dunkin' Donuts. She gave me hope. Her credentials and qualifications were what this country were built upon. "We the people..." I watched Sarah Palin and myself; normal, ordinary people who have worked hard, dropped our heads in sorrow and in prayer and joined hands in times of hardship and triumphant in this country. I watched this woman who was elected governor of a state in this country. A country built on non-changing standards, on the Bible and the Constitution. I watched her speak of holding onto and regaining control of a a country which I have witnessed falling away to confusion and disarray.

Sarah Palin seemed to be with me in the last frontier watching the dismiss of our values and our country by politicians and others who gather in our nation's capital while we sat thinking NBC, CBS, ABC and Public Radio would inform of all the news fit to print. Not a country heading toward socialism and change and keeping the downtrodden down and the government in control of our destinies.

Representatively, positively, creatively and effectively Palin qualified as my breath of fresh air from the realities of DC. The hope that Bank of America - 20 minutes from the White House - didn't have a fast lane for people who didn't speak English. But it does. The hope that just less than two years ago I really didn't witness an Acorn volunteer try to register an elderly black woman to vote (despite her protests she was already registered to vote) in the parking lot of Safeway didn't happen.

Sarah Palin was my intelligent reasoning that I was not alone. That my stories to my 90 year old father, a dyed in the wool Democrat, of how I was fighting a losing battle of holding onto the values against the prejudices that he and my mother had taught me and my seven brothers and sisters to stand for weren't true.

Sarah Palin, did and does, have they qualifications of a reflection of hope and faith that there is a chance that this country isn't lost. That we can fight the "too big to fail" companies, bureaucracies and political parties.

Maybe you and I don't particularly want to see Palin as President. But the thoughts and emotions she spurred in me that night are truths I hold dear. I want to see someone like that, who has the balls to put on her lipstick and fight for what she believes, hold office in my country.

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Donna2: Who do you think I hate?

McCain? I certainly wouldn't use the word "hate". Heck I *voted* for him back in 2000 in the NH primary. I believe that he sold out his principles to get ahead in the party. I don't like the way he's flip-flopped on many issues. "Hate" is FAR too strong a word. Call it "extreme disappointment". McCain turned out to have feet of clay.

Palin? I wouldn't waste my time "hating" her. She's inexperienced and condescending while failing to see her own faults. But "hatred"? Not a chance. Quite frankly I rather admire the way she rose to becoming governor. For the most part I try to ignore the nasty stories concerning local Wasilla politics - that's "local politics as usual" from what I can tell. I'm not going to let a personality squabble with a librarian influence what I think of someone's qualifications for national office.

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Donna2: Who do you think I hate?

McCain? I certainly wouldn't use the word "hate". Heck I *voted* for him back in 2000 in the NH primary. I believe that he sold out his principles to get ahead in the party. I don't like the way he's flip-flopped on many issues. "Hate" is FAR too strong a word. Call it "extreme disappointment". McCain turned out to have feet of clay.

Palin? I wouldn't waste my time "hating" her. She's inexperienced and condescending while failing to see her own faults. But "hatred"? Not a chance. Quite frankly I rather admire the way she rose to becoming governor. For the most part I try to ignore the nasty stories concerning local Wasilla politics - that's "local politics as usual" from what I can tell. I'm not going to let a personality squabble with a librarian influence what I think of someone's qualifications for national office.

Perhaps you should read your prior posts....maybe hate too strong but you have distinct dislike of her....which makes you like the others...which is why I suspect you are more liberal then you let on.

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Donna2: Who do you think I hate?

McCain? I certainly wouldn't use the word "hate". Heck I *voted* for him back in 2000 in the NH primary. I believe that he sold out his principles to get ahead in the party. I don't like the way he's flip-flopped on many issues. "Hate" is FAR too strong a word. Call it "extreme disappointment". McCain turned out to have feet of clay.

Palin? I wouldn't waste my time "hating" her. She's inexperienced and condescending while failing to see her own faults. But "hatred"? Not a chance. Quite frankly I rather admire the way she rose to becoming governor. For the most part I try to ignore the nasty stories concerning local Wasilla politics - that's "local politics as usual" from what I can tell. I'm not going to let a personality squabble with a librarian influence what I think of someone's qualifications for national office.


Question for you DJPLONG !!!

If she is as far out of any picture with no qualifications, tell me...and I realize that you have no crystal ball, but interested in your opinion...if Sarah Palin is such an outsider...such a dummy....such a non threat....why would the unabashed Obama supporter Eugene Robinson..the writer for the Washington Post devote a complete editorial to Palin's approval ratings ?

There are a few other things going on, dont you think ?

"Palin's Approval Ratings Slipping
By Eugene Robinson"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/02/12/palins_approval_ratings_slipping.html

A person who is NOT an elected official...has no authority whatsover...can do no more than any other talking head on TV..but no talk about the falling poll numbers for the President....the embarassing poll numbers for congress....but...we DO talk about Sarah Palin !

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Perhaps you should read your prior posts....maybe hate too strong but you have distinct dislike of her....which makes you like the others...which is why I suspect you are more liberal then you let on.

Donna....by Jove....I believe you have nailed it. You betcha.

Bulletin for djplong...McCain did not lose because "Americans wanted to repudiate George Bush" as you claim with authority. His loss was far more complex than the liberal talking points you always fall back on when challenged. For one, you omit the arguable factor that McCain is not a conservative. Putting Sarah Palin on the ticket most likely boosted his numbers and averted a landslide victory for the Obamster and his Chicago mafia.

The more libs try to trash her the stronger and more influential she becomes.

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Perhaps you should read your prior posts....maybe hate too strong but you have distinct dislike of her....which makes you like the others...which is why I suspect you are more liberal then you let on.

I have a distinct dislike of her *as the standard bearer* for a more conservative political movement.

As a *person*? Different story. Like I said, I rather admire her - despite the areas of disagreement I have with some of her policies. A perfect metaphor would be the young pitching phenom in baseball who gets called up too early and can't handle the pressure - and it ruins an otherwise promising career. I think that by being the VP on a ticket that was beaten by a political rookie, she's done herself some career damage.

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Donna....by Jove....I believe you have nailed it. You betcha.

Bulletin for djplong...McCain did not lose because "Americans wanted to repudiate George Bush" as you claim with authority. His loss was far more complex than the liberal talking points you always fall back on when challenged. For one, you omit the arguable factor that McCain is not a conservative. Putting Sarah Palin on the ticket most likely boosted his numbers and averted a landslide victory for the Obamster and his Chicago mafia.

The more libs try to trash her the stronger and more influential she becomes.

Do liberals support a flat tax? I do.

Do liberals support the idea of, if *required* to make a choice, a sales tax versus an income tax? I do. (though I want to see it justified)

Do liberals believe in "3 strike and you're out"?

Do liberals support nuclear power - and have they been able to trace that support all the way back to the 1970s? I do, and I can.

Do liberals support doing away with civil service rules to be replaced by a system where merit rules? I do.

I can supply more answers upon request. Go ahead - ask me anything. And if it's not something I've given enough thought to, I'm not afraid to say that I haven't formed an opinion.

And you're right, I *have* omitted that McCain couldn't really be called a 'conservative' based on his recent voting record. That was just an omission from forgetfulness. That's what got conservatives NOT voting for him. Combine that with centrists who viewed him as Bush III, or wouldn't vote for him because of Palin's inexperience *combined* with McCain's evasiveness on his health. Then, add the 'liberal' opinion of anything GOP-related.

Palin boosted McCain's numbers for hours at best. When I first heard the news, I thought it was a brilliant maneuver. But the more I looked into Palin, the more I winced. I mean, come on, DAN QUAYLE had a better resume and was able to overcome the press knocking his inexperience. Palin practically folded the minute she got into a room with Katie Couric. Not some hard-hitting investigative journalist - it was *Katie Couric*. I grant you that's a *subjective* opinion on my part, but comedians all over the country were thanking McCain for delivering Palin as that made their jobs much easier.

How long did it take before word leaked out that the "thinking Africa was a country" debacle was a set-up? That should have lasted TEN MINUTES but it went on for DAYS.

Remember, Congress, in general, has approval ratings under 30%. American dislike for politicians is about the most bi-partisan topic supported.

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The press did to Quayle what it did to Palin. He had a lot more experience than Obama. He was a congressman for four years and a senator for eight years. Just for the record "potato" was spelled with an e on the end, many years ago.

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Pretty much what I was trying to say......folks appear to get hung up on THE MESSENGER, her family, how she looks, etc., instead of the message that is getting through !

Wake up to what is going on in Washington !!!!

How come nobody woke up to what was going on in Washington 6 years ago? I'm still waiting for those WMDs to show up and just when are we going to be greeted as liberators? Where's Bin Laden? Maybe Obama should have sent Bush and Cheney to Iraq to clean up their mess. Oops, I forgot they want other saps to fight their wars(Bush MIA in Viet Nam and Cheney "had better things to do"

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Donna....by Jove....I believe you have nailed it. You betcha.

Bulletin for djplong...McCain did not lose because "Americans wanted to repudiate George Bush" as you claim with authority. His loss was far more complex than the liberal talking points you always fall back on when challenged. For one, you omit the arguable factor that McCain is not a conservative. Putting Sarah Palin on the ticket most likely boosted his numbers and averted a landslide victory for the Obamster and his Chicago mafia.

The more libs try to trash her the stronger and more influential she becomes.

I'm looking forward to a Palin/Beck ticket in 2012. I already ordered my "Vote Dumb and Dumber" bumper sticker.

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How come nobody woke up to what was going on in Washington 6 years ago? I'm still waiting for those WMDs to show up and just when are we going to be greeted as liberators? Where's Bin Laden? Maybe Obama should have sent Bush and Cheney to Iraq to clean up their mess. Oops, I forgot they want other saps to fight their wars(Bush MIA in Viet Nam and Cheney "had better things to do"


BRILLIANT !!!!

Moveon was saying almost exactly what your post is saying in the summer of 2003 !!!! They avoided the fact that at that time EVERY SINGLE country in the world agreed with this country.....only disagreed on the invasion, but EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD thought there were WMD's there. How many times must this be discussed.....does whatever point you are making excuse what is happening in our capital ?

Does what you are saying excuse the lying in the WH ? Does what you are saying excuse the deficit being rung up for our children and grandchildren ?

Does what you are saying excuse a "stimulus bill" that was 65% PORK when our President consistently mocked those in Washington by saying that would never happen on his watch..he mocked them...said never gonna happen.

Does what you say excuse the blatant lies about transparency ?

The issue is NOT 6 years ago..it is NOW !!! IF you are posting and seeking some sort of "political revenge" then you are simply very naive !!

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How trite....how boring....how repetitive....how partisanbarf

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vtcyclist-- I don't think for one minute that there weren't WMD's. There was plenty of time to move them. As for Bin Laden, I think he was splattered in a cave somewhere in Tora Bora.