Golf Cart Rallyl

[refeik]

Does anyone know what time the golf cart rally is scheduled for tomorrow.

[Love2Swim]

6:00 pm -Barnes and Noble

[graciegirl]

I won't be there.

[tophcfa]

Does anyone know what time the golf cart rally is scheduled for tomorrow.

What is the purpose of the rally?

[CWGUY]

:gc: How many of you were in this? We moved here in 2004 and we were in it. We staged on the south side of 466.

Largest parade of golf carts | Guinness World Records (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-parade-of-golf-carts)

[Bogie Shooter]

I won't be there.

A few of us know why.....:)

[Madelaine Amee]

I won't be there.

You have made it very obvious in the past why you will not be there ..................

[Chatbrat]

I will not be there even if I owned a golf cart--definition of insanity--repeating the same thing and expecting a different result-- some people never learn

would have never thunk it--Gracie & I have something in common

[graciegirl]

A few of us know why.....:)

You won't be there either Bogie Shooter. Even if you know why I won't be there. You are someone I admire although we sit across the aisle from each other. I respect you as a good person and admire the state you are from.

Some of us wouldn't be there no matter whether we would choose red or blue shirts. I don't think marching or parading does any good or changes any minds. It just usually aggravates the other side.

[bilcon]

One can only hope for a thunder storm like the one you created on TV last week. Shame on you.

[Chatbrat]

So right these bogus parades, do nothing but foment animosity- they don't accomplish a thing-they do however: strengthen the opposition

[Love2Swim]

A few of us know why.....:)

And a few of us really don't give a hoot.

[Love2Swim]

So right these bogus parades, do nothing but foment animosity- they don't accomplish a thing-they do however: strengthen the opposition

Actually, they show that people in The Villages support both sides of issues, that not everything is about one political party.

[CFrance]

The question was what time does the rally start, not whether you're going, why or why not, and anyone's opinion on whether anything can come of it, good or bad. 6PM Barnes & Noble parking lot.

[refeik]

The question was what time does the rally start, not whether you're going, why or why not, and anyone's opinion on whether anything can come of it, good or bad. 6PM Barnes & Noble parking lot.

Thank You CFrance, I was not asking anyone for a statement and don't really care why anyone is or is not going. I see some cannot even refrain from commenting more than once.

[Two Bills]

I am sure they will get a warm and rousing reception from the Veranda Bars on the square!:boxing2::beer3:

[Bill32]

I think it starts at Starbucks....;)

[graciegirl]

One can only hope for a thunder storm like the one you created on TV last week. Shame on you.

Shame on who? Why? What storm?

Where's the beef?

[golf2140]

Who would rally for someone who wants to raise our taxes by a BILLION DOLLARS

[dewilson58]

What is the purpose of the rally?

Good Question................let's have the FBI investigate.

:faint:

[Love2Swim]

Who would rally for someone who wants to raise our taxes by a BILLION DOLLARS

News flash - Latest fiscal deficit due to the tax cuts for the wealthy is the largest since the Great Recession, according to Forbes. The IMF warns that the path of federal debt is unsustainable. Estimates are the US is facing a deep economic slump and a possible deep recession.

That is why people rally. That and a host of other issues.

[dewilson58]

News flash - Latest fiscal deficit due to the tax cuts for the wealthy is the largest since the Great Recession, according to Forbes. The IMF warns that the path of federal debt is unsustainable. Estimates are the US is facing a deep economic slump and a possible deep recession.

That is why people rally. That and a host of other issues.

Tax cuts???.............not sure I agree. Not sure the largest deficit adder (if that's a word) cut taxes for the wealthy.

Deficit Additions:
Obama = $6.7T
Bush (W) = $3.3T
Reagan = $1.4T
Bush (HW) = $1.0T

[Love2Swim]

Tax cuts???.............not sure I agree. Not sure the largest deficit adder (if that's a word) cut taxes for the wealthy.

Deficit Additions:
Obama = $6.7T
Bush (W) = $3.3T
Reagan = $1.4T
Bush (HW) = $1.0T

My number came from Forbes - a respected Finance related magazine. And yours are from where?

[dewilson58]

My number came from Forbes - a respected Finance related magazine. And yours are from where?

Unfortunately, everyone does math differently. Attached are numbers from Forbes' January 2018 article:

Reagan

Started Presidency: $965 billion
Ended Presidency: $2.74 trillion

H.W. Bush

Started Presidency: $2.74 trillion
Ended Presidency: $4.23 trillion

Clinton

Started Presidency: $4.23 trillion
Ended Presidency: $5.77 trillion

W. Bush

Started Presidency: $5.77 trillion
Ended Presidency: $11.1 trillion

Obama

Started Presidency: $11.1 trillion
Ended Presidency: $19.85 trillion

[Bogie Shooter]

Who would rally for someone who wants to raise our taxes by a BILLION DOLLARS

Fake news.

[Bucco]

Unfortunately, everyone does math differently. Attached are numbers from Forbes' January 2018 article:

Reagan

Started Presidency: $965 billion
Ended Presidency: $2.74 trillion

H.W. Bush

Started Presidency: $2.74 trillion
Ended Presidency: $4.23 trillion

Clinton

Started Presidency: $4.23 trillion
Ended Presidency: $5.77 trillion

W. Bush

Started Presidency: $5.77 trillion
Ended Presidency: $11.1 trillion

Obama

Started Presidency: $11.1 trillion
Ended Presidency: $19.85 trillion



Wishing folks on here would use facts......PLEASE

As projected in the FY 2019 budget, Trump plans to add $8.282 trillion, a 41-percent increase from the $20.245 trillion debt at the end of Obama's last budget for FY 2017. He will add almost as much in four years as Obama did in eight. That would also make him the second-biggest contributor to the debt in history in just one term.

FY 2021 - $1.119 trillion.
FY 2020 - $1.198 trillion.
FY 2019 - $1.225 trillion.
FY 2018 - $1.233 trillion.


US Debt by President: By Dollar and Percent (https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296)

___________________________________

"This year, FY 2018, the federal government in its latest budget has estimated that the deficit will be $833 billion."



US Federal Deficit by Year - plus charts and analysis (https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html)

_________________________________

And since you are enamored with FORBES....

"The U.S. Federal deficit was $587 billion in Obama’s last year and it grew to $666 billion in Trump’s first year of his presidency. I’ve been reviewing a report from the U.S. Treasury Department, which shows that the U.S. Federal Deficit will probably increase this year (fiscal 2018), could come close to if not exceed $1 trillion in fiscal 2019 and will likely exceed $1 trillion in fiscal 2020 and beyond. And this is before the additional deficits created by the tax reform bill and the just passed two year budget. Note that the U.S. fiscal year ends in September."

Trump's Federal Budget Deficit: $1 Trillion And Beyond (https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/02/09/trumps-federal-budget-deficit-1-trillion-and-beyond/#6176b550544f)

Also.......Don't Blame Obama For Doubling The Federal Deficit (https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/01/15/obamas-federal-debt-grew-at-a-slower-rate-than-reagan-h-w-bush-or-w-bush/#2b48948d1917)

Lets check on what the WH's own folks say..

"The White House’s midyear budget projections see federal deficits surpassing $1 trillion in 2019.

In an annual budget review, the White House’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) estimated that new legislation enacted since the release of its February budget — alongside new projections on other spending and receipts — would add $101 billion more to the 2019 deficit, pushing it above $1 trillion."

White House budget projects $1 trillion deficit in 2019 | TheHill (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/397445-white-house-budget-projects-1-trillion-deficit-in-2019)

[Bucco]

Speaking as non political as possible....

Our country is in deep trouble......the deficit, the trade wars...economically we got problems.

Haven't you notice prices going up.....and as the new trade environment settles in that will only get worse.

[kathyspear]

I assumed a "golf cart rally" was a chance to show off your spiffy golf cart. Is it a political event?? Enquiring minds want to know ...

kathy

[Chatbrat]

If Florida goes the way of the states that we left to come here, I for one will turn everything into cash & stop paying all taxes-- we have enough assets to live for another lifetime- but we won't live that long-

[Fredman]

It is a political event. The two democrats in the villages are having a cart rally:bigbow:

[Kenswing]

If Florida goes the way of the states that we left to come here, I for one will turn everything into cash & stop paying all taxes-- we have enough assets to live for another lifetime- but we won't live that long-Just curious,.. Why do you find it necessary to continuously post about how financially well off you are? Is it to impress us or to impress yourself? Because if you're trying to impress us I'm pretty sure you're not.

[Kenswing]

It is a political event. The two democrats in the villages are having a cart rally:bigbow:
That is one thing that has puzzled me since I've been coming to this forum. With as many people that live in TV that have come from NY and NJ, and the east coast in general, I would have expected the ratio of Liberals to Conservatives to be a little higher. From what I've garnered over the couple years that I've been on this forum I would have to place my unscientific guess at about 80/20.

[fw102807]

True on FB and true here

[Chatbrat]

Unlike others, I am probably the only person in TV who worked 14 years without a vacation, or any time off--because of that I was able to retire @ 52 back in 95'

I was taught how to invest ,be frugal when it counted and we reaped the rewards since 95' we I sold my businesses

[Kenswing]

Unlike others, I am probably the only person in TV who worked 14 years without a vacation, or any time off--because of that I was able to retire @ 52 back in 95'

I was taught how to invest ,be frugal when it counted and we reaped the rewards since 95' we I sold my businessesAgain, why do you find it necessary to brag about how much money you have? If anyone really cared about your wealth or work history they would ask.

[fw102807]

Unlike others, I am probably the only person in TV who worked 14 years without a vacation, or any time off--because of that I was able to retire @ 52 back in 95'

I was taught how to invest ,be frugal when it counted and we reaped the rewards since 95' we I sold my businesses

Lots of us worked hard and did well.

[perrjojo]

Good Question................let's have the FBI investigate.

:faint:
Actually I think the FBI is already investigating in Tallahassee. :a040:

[Chatbrat]

He'll do to Fl what his brother almost did to the country.. Only a fool will rock a boat and try to capsize it when it is sailing smoothly

[Bucco]

Again, why do you find it necessary to brag about how much money you have? If anyone really cared about your wealth or work history they would ask.

Interesting question. I wondered the same thing.

[Bucco]

He'll do to Fl what his brother almost did to the country.. Only a fool will rock a boat and try to capsize it when it is sailing smoothly

Why be subtle.

What you mean is ..by his "brother" you refer to OBama because he and Gillum are both black. Do not be afraid of your racism..embrace it.

As far as the investigation into the city government, what do you know that the rest of us do not ?

You need no hood at the golf cart rally

[Bucco]

That is one thing that has puzzled me since I've been coming to this forum. With as many people that live in TV that have come from NY and NJ, and the east coast in general, I would have expected the ratio of Liberals to Conservatives to be a little higher. From what I've garnered over the couple years that I've been on this forum I would have to place my unscientific guess at about 80/20.

When I came here in 2000, as someone who worked with and for the Republican Party for many years, I was aware of The Villages as a Republican bastion

Lot has changed. I, personally left the party. Others who would not embrace extremes have left. Not all became Democrats..I am now a Registered Independent and the fervor is leaving.

Your percentages were correct when Sarah Pain was welcomed as a goddess here, and certainly Fox keeps sending their folks here.

I think it is changing, but still considered, NOT conservative, but Republican. They are not the same any longer

[Chi-Town]

He'll do to Fl what his brother almost did to the country.. Only a fool will rock a boat and try to capsize it when it is sailing smoothlyBet you wish to take this "tweet" back.

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[Rapscallion St Croix]

Bet you wish to take this "tweet" back.

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You're on. How much is the wager?

[Chatbrat]

Just like Chi-Town has become a shooting galley--check out Hey JackAss--Chicago--very enlightening

[Bucco]

You're on. How much is the wager?

I think you might be correct on this.

To be blatantly racist and not wearing a hood...just proclaiming that you judge people based on simply skin color takes something...not sure what, but based on his other posts he/she seems to take pride in ignorance and I guess that something that some take pride in.

[Bucco]

Just like Chi-Town has become a shooting galley--check out Hey JackAss--Chicago--very enlightening

Let's keep score. You hate blacks and now Chicago ? Difficult to keep up.

No wonder you like to think you are richer than others. It appears you have nothing else

[graciegirl]

Let's keep score. You hate blacks and now Chicago ? Difficult to keep up.

No wonder you like to think you are richer than others. It appears you have nothing else

Everyone deserves respect and to be taken at only their words, not conclusions made from what it might be. Not a good debate tactic. No laws have been broken and no political correctness breached. Hatred is not warranted when slight aggravation is appropriate.

[Kenswing]

I'm thinking the shelf life of this thread is going to be short.. lol

[Chatbrat]

I don't hate blacks, I hate big cities that are run into the ground by corrupt politicians- it took 2 different mayors to straighten out NYC--I hate layers be them what ever- to quote a Jr High classmate of mine "Don't pee on my shoes & tell me its raining"

[CWGUY]

:shrug: Moderator on vacation again? He/she has taken enough vacations for him/her and the brat! This is almost as good as the time some dude posted a picture of his junk here and it stayed a few days.

Maybe the political things or the obscene things don't get their attention..... I'm sure they will see my sarcasm.:icon_wink:

[Bucco]

Everyone deserves respect and to be taken at only their words, not conclusions made from what it might be. Not a good debate tactic. No laws have been broken and no political correctness breached. Hatred is not warranted when slight aggravation is appropriate.

Well, so you are on board with the post making reference to "OBama" as his "brother ". Not even veiled we'll.

Not surprised except you now openly support.

You even dare lecture me, or basically anyone, about hate...wow.

[CWGUY]

THREAD CLOSED (soon) :icon_wink:

[graciegirl]

THREAD CLOSED (soon) :icon_wink:

Hopefully.

[Bucco]

Hopefully.

I happen to agree....I simply reply to posts that are either lies or hate filled, and I would prefer to give my attention to baseball. This began with lies on the budget, followed by hate speak

[Kenswing]

I happen to agree....I simply reply to posts that are either lies or hate filled, and I would prefer to give my attention to baseball. This began with lies on the budget, followed by hate speak
Mine was neither. But I do appreciate your reply to my post. ;)

[Chi-Town]

Just like Chi-Town has become a shooting galley--check out Hey JackAss--Chicago--very enlighteningDarn Google translator not working again.

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[Abby10]

I'm thinking the shelf life of this thread is going to be short.. lol

NOTHING but my thoughts exactly. :)

[Bucco]

I don't hate blacks, I hate big cities that are run into the ground by corrupt politicians- it took 2 different mayors to straighten out NYC--I hate layers be them what ever- to quote a Jr High classmate of mine "Don't pee on my shoes & tell me its raining"

I got mixed up when you were throwing "brother" out there and were discussing Tallahassee. Don't get the connection.

[Bucco]

Wondering what was objectionable...

The spread of outright lies about our country and its budget.not twisted....not spun...flat out lies.

Or

The racial remRks, which seem to be getting the most defense

Or

My objecting to lies and race

[Packer Fan]

Speaking as non political as possible....

Our country is in deep trouble......the deficit, the trade wars...economically we got problems.

Haven't you notice prices going up.....and as the new trade environment settles in that will only get worse.

Since I am still working, and in Manufacturing, I will just be nice and say that you are mistaken.

In 37 years in the working world, about half of that in high level supply chain (purchasing) jobs, I have NEVER seen an economy as good as this one. What really amazes me is despite the fact that everyone is REALLY busy, and having trouble finding new workers, they are not raising prices.

Talking with my suppliers on a daily basis I hear about all the reshoring they are doing to USA. I work for a "Made in USA" company, but many of my suppliers import from overseas and are working on moving large portions of that business back here if they can. The small percentage of what I do buy from China I have active projects to reshore in the next 6 months.

That is the real world. Not the Fake News.

[Packer Fan]

Everyone deserves respect and to be taken at only their words, not conclusions made from what it might be. Not a good debate tactic. No laws have been broken and no political correctness breached. Hatred is not warranted when slight aggravation is appropriate.

Gracie - they need a LIKE button on here - you would have gotten about 1000 on that one.... I agree.

I personally think he meant brother politically and someone had to jump right to Racism.... Not cool.

Nice call.

[perrjojo]

Since I am still working, and in Manufacturing, I will just be nice and say that you are mistaken.

In 37 years in the working world, about half of that in high level supply chain (purchasing) jobs, I have NEVER seen an economy as good as this one. What really amazes me is despite the fact that everyone is REALLY busy, and having trouble finding new workers, they are not raising prices.

Talking with my suppliers on a daily basis I hear about all the reshoring they are doing to USA. I work for a "Made in USA" company, but many of my suppliers import from overseas and are working on moving large portions of that business back here if they can. The small percentage of what I do buy from China I have active projects to reshore in the next 6 months.

That is the real world. Not the Fake News.

Speaking of the economy...did you hear Amazon has raised its minimum wage to $15.00 per hour?

[Bogie Shooter]

Unlike others, I am probably the only person in TV who worked 14 years without a vacation, or any time off--because of that I was able to retire @ 52 back in 95'

I was taught how to invest ,be frugal when it counted and we reaped the rewards since 95' we I sold my businesses

Oh my.

[Bogie Shooter]

///
He'll do to Fl what his brother almost did to the country.. Only a fool will rock a boat and try to capsize it when it is sailing smoothly

Why be subtle.

What you mean is ..by his "brother" you refer to OBama because he and Gillum are both black. Do not be afraid of your racism..embrace it.

As far as the investigation into the city government, what do you know that the rest of us do not ?

You need no hood at the golf cart rally

Just like Chi-Town has become a shooting galley--check out Hey JackAss--Chicago--very enlightening

Let's keep score. You hate blacks and now Chicago ? Difficult to keep up.

No wonder you like to think you are richer than others. It appears you have nothing else

So, explain again why this thread is still open?

[ditka41]

Why do we wish for "rain' on their little parade? Just live and let live, accepting that all 9 of the lefties are free to express their opinions by parading around and generating more ill-will after last week's travesty. Unfortunately, this thread has already produced more advertising than they deserve.

[kathyspear]

Okay, forget the golf carts. Did someone really post a picture of his genitals on TOTV?!

kathy

[dewilson58]

:shrug: Moderator on vacation again? He/she has taken enough vacations for him/her and the brat! This is almost as good as the time some dude posted a picture of his junk here and it stayed a few days.

Maybe the political things or the obscene things don't get their attention..... I'm sure they will see my sarcasm.:icon_wink:

They're not on vaca............they deleted two of my posts.

:a040:

[Villagevip]

Walked by the Barnes and Noble start up, Looked liked a very long funeral procession...I kid the parade..

[manaboutown]

The rally I am loving is the stock market's. The intraday Dow hit a new high. How wonderful!

[Chi-Town]

Walked by the Barnes and Noble start up, looked like the beginnings of a long funeral procession.....Long faced, quiet, unhappy people.....

Took this picture from City Fire. People were whooping it up.

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[Jetakai]

Sadness :( I thought something else cool about TV, a road rally, when I read the title.
We used to have organizers who put it together, lots of clues, and times, and weird things to find out, like how many blue balls at the putt putt course, and then central finish and a trophy and big barbecue, music and beer/soda. Was hoping...but hopes dashed to find it is another political thing.

[manaboutown]

I see a lot of good people lined up for tonight's rally in Johnson City, TN.

[Bogie Shooter]

Sadness :( I thought something else cool about TV, a road rally, when I read the title.
We used to have organizers who put it together, lots of clues, and times, and weird things to find out, like how many blue balls at the putt putt course, and then central finish and a trophy and big barbecue, music and beer/soda. Was hoping...but hopes dashed to find it is another political thing.

What is holding you back from organizing that kind of a rally?

[Chi-Town]

Speaking of the economy...did you hear Amazon has raised its minimum wage to $15.00 per hour?Amazon is sharing the wealth. The minimum wage in Wisconsin is $7.25 per hour.

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[Madelaine Amee]

Why do we wish for "rain' on their little parade? Just live and let live, accepting that all 9 of the lefties are free to express their opinions by parading around and generating more ill-will after last week's travesty. Unfortunately, this thread has already produced more advertising than they deserve.

Your post is indicative of what is wrong with America right now. It is written to belittle someone for their beliefs which are different from yours, added to which you threw in the "lefties" comment. Would it not be possible for you to call them Democrats?

I remember a time when this country was kinder and gentler, where you did not ask your neighbor what he "was", meaning left or right. There was a time when it did not matter which party you supported, only that you were a decent person trying to raise a family like the rest of your neighbors.

Now this hatred has been allowed to surge in to every day life. We call each other names - for what. What purpose does it serve to rail against someone because they do not believe as you do.

This country will NEVER be great again until this hatred and mistrust of one another dissipates and we all go back to living our own lives without name calling and maybe, just maybe, we can become proud of our place in the world again.

[Bogie Shooter]

A lot of fine people are lined up for tonight's rally in Johnson City, TN.

Is there free beer, I drink beers, I like beers, sometimes too much...………….

[Chatbrat]

No such thing as a free anything--someone pays

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Just curious,.. Why do you find it necessary to continuously post about how financially well off you are? Is it to impress us or to impress yourself? Because if you're trying to impress us I'm pretty sure you're not.

Maybe he doesn't have celebrity Facebook friends or multiple degrees to brag about.

[Bucco]

Since I am still working, and in Manufacturing, I will just be nice and say that you are mistaken.

In 37 years in the working world, about half of that in high level supply chain (purchasing) jobs, I have NEVER seen an economy as good as this one. What really amazes me is despite the fact that everyone is REALLY busy, and having trouble finding new workers, they are not raising prices.

Talking with my suppliers on a daily basis I hear about all the reshoring they are doing to USA. I work for a "Made in USA" company, but many of my suppliers import from overseas and are working on moving large portions of that business back here if they can. The small percentage of what I do buy from China I have active projects to reshore in the next 6 months.

That is the real world. Not the Fake News.

Hope you are correct, but historically a booming economy in a sea of red ink (deficits) carries many many risks. The deficit grows.....as suggested we cannot just 'print more money"

You need to finance those deficits and the government will need to borrow money via the bond market. In order to attract buyers, the interest rate will be high which will make it all the more a bad situation.

Next domino is the corporate bonds, which will make it more costly to grow.

And maybe the most important is how do we fight off the next recession ?

Again, hope you are correct but history says otherwise.

[Chatbrat]

50% cash free muni's, 25% high yield equities, 25% cash--what ever happens @ 76 years of age I'm bullet proof--no male in my family made it past 88- if I'm a record setter ,one thing for sure won't be sleeping under a bridge--even if the socialists take over-instructions to the Admiral- were don't change a thing and do not get married if I croak

[manaboutown]

The 1929 Stock Market Crash (http://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-1929-stock-market-crash/)

[EdFNJ]

I thought political threads were not permitted? This is (was) a "what time does the cart rally begin" thread.

[fw102807]

I thought political threads were not permitted? This is (was) a "what time does the cart rally begin" thread.

And the rally is over so the thread should be closed

[perrjojo]

I find myself becoming increasing intolerant of those who are intolerant of the things I am becoming more intolerant of because of others intolerance.

[Aloha1]

Can't help myself so here goes;
-Chat worked his heinie off in the restaurant business and was able to cash out on the plus side. I say kudos to him. It's why he knows so much about fine dining. All of us did what we needed to secure our retirement. No matter what amount you ended up with, I say kudos to you for not sitting back and living on Uncle Sam's dime.

- Jumping to conclusions seems to be a growing trend. I did not take Chat's post as racist in the least. Fact is, if you study the candidate's positions, they do mirror a certain political persuasion voiced by our past President which has never worked anywhere in the world.

- Finally, I could care less whether there were 9, 20, or 200 golf carts on parade. Irrelevent in a community of 125,000. Just like 100,000 marching in D.C. do not represent 330 million Americans. All I know is, if you do not search your own soul and conscience; if you do not do your due diligence BEFORE you vote; and if you only want to blindly pull a lever, well then, you deserve the government you get.

Mods, you may now close this thread.

[Bucco]

I read about fear of "socialism".......it appears that the option is only spend, cut taxes and allow the deficit to grow.

Anyone hear of the word...compromise ?

Used to be used quite a lot.

However, it requires to stop hating people because of their party of registration, and here is the kicker....talk to each other.

Used to be the choice of all successful companies, country's, and good people.

Then again, it appears that will take all the "fun" out of politics.....and isn't fun the main goal ?