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Madelaine Amee
10-10-2018, 08:02 AM
This story has come up twice recently in the unmentionable online news and it irritates me.

"An in depth look at court files reveal rising tensions between an 82-year-old Villager, who is barred from his home in The Village of Country Club Hills, and his 41-year-old daughter, who is living in the home with her 8-year-old son."

I was under the impression that children under the age of 19 were not allowed to live here. This child is 8 and yet no one has moved to remove him or his mother from TV. If he is allowed to stay living in TV this opens the flood gates to anyone else who wants to test the limits of our residency rules.

graciegirl
10-10-2018, 08:13 AM
This story has come up twice recently in the unmentionable online news and it irritates me.

"An in depth look at court files reveal rising tensions between an 82-year-old Villager, who is barred from his home in The Village of Country Club Hills, and his 41-year-old daughter, who is living in the home with her 8-year-old son."

I was under the impression that children under the age of 19 were not allowed to live here. This child is 8 and yet no one has moved to remove him or his mother from TV. If he is allowed to stay living in TV this opens the flood gates to anyone else who wants to test the limits of our residency rules.

I am not sure if you are looking for someone to post something compassionate or a logical reason why the child is still living there.

Madelaine Amee
10-10-2018, 08:29 AM
I am not sure if you are looking for someone to post something compassionate or a logical reason why the child is still living there.

I am simply interested in what people think about an 8 yr old child living in an age restricted area. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for compassion, the only person I have compassion for is the elderly man involved, it would appear to me that he needs someone to help him deal with this daughter and this miserable situation.

Bogie Shooter
10-10-2018, 08:39 AM
Rules are rules...…..and should be enforced.

Madelaine Amee
10-10-2018, 08:42 AM
Rules are rules...…..and should be enforced.

Thank you .. that was all I was looking for when I posted.

manaboutown
10-10-2018, 08:46 AM
I sent this story to some friends who have adult children with substance abuse problems. I titled my email “How to lose your home to your druggie adult child”.

I really feel for this man.

Madelaine Amee
10-10-2018, 09:00 AM
I sent this story to some friends who have adult children with substance abuse problems. I titled my email “How to lose your home to your druggie adult child”.

I really feel for this man.

So do I which is why I have interest in this. I hope there is someone giving him advice, and that he is taking it, because she is going to wipe him out.

New Englander
10-10-2018, 09:04 AM
I feel sorry for an 82 year old man banned from his own house. I also feel for a young child stuck in a bad situation.

eweissenbach
10-10-2018, 09:05 AM
The Villages is responsible for enforcing the residency rule. This guy needs a lawyer.

Bogie Shooter
10-10-2018, 09:08 AM
I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than what the Other Site reported. They only reported what would generate a lot of "clicks".

billethkid
10-10-2018, 09:29 AM
With the very limited information that we have available all we can do is offer an opinion or reaction.

Yes the rules are the rules...very easy to quote when a violation is witnessed....obeyed and enforced no differently than stop signs or speed limits.

I would need to know more before offering an opinion.
This does not infer that I am supporting an exception.

I for one am very supportive of TV laws/rules/guidelines being much, more strictly enforced.

NotGolfer
10-10-2018, 09:30 AM
I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than what the Other Site reported. They only reported what would generate a lot of "clicks".

I agree.....that "publication" does stir the pot quite a lot! That said though...this man needs some help just from being on the outside, looking in. ALSO, have heard there's other kids living here as well---the neighbor's need to step up and report this as it is againest the rules. We've all signed the papers when we moved here---so let's enforce them.

graciegirl
10-10-2018, 10:51 AM
I agree with all of you. I think this man needs a lawyer and I rarely say that. Usually they only add expense to a mess. I think it is possible the daughter has lied to get a restraining order. That is just a guess. I feel sorry for him.

People can SAY anything, whether we can believe them is another issue.

The Villages can only give fines. They cannot evict anyone, as far as I know/

graciegirl
10-11-2018, 05:31 AM
I agree with all of you. I think this man needs a lawyer and I rarely say that. Usually they only add expense to a mess. I think it is possible the daughter has lied to get a restraining order. That is just a guess. I feel sorry for him.

People can SAY anything, whether we can believe them is another issue.

The Villages can only give fines. They cannot evict anyone, as far as I know/

Update;....a number to call; quoted from the online news;

Having a child under the age of 19 permanently living in a home in The Villages is a violation of an internal deed restriction overseen by the Developer.
District officials noted The Villages’ point person for the enforcement of internal deed restrictions involving children is Martin Dzuro, who may be reached at (352) 753-6260.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
10-11-2018, 09:04 AM
I agree with all of you. I think this man needs a lawyer and I rarely say that. Usually they only add expense to a mess. I think it is possible the daughter has lied to get a restraining order. That is just a guess. I feel sorry for him.

People can SAY anything, whether we can believe them is another issue.

The Villages can only give fines. They cannot evict anyone, as far as I know/

I believe that they'd have to go to court to have the people evicted and then the police would come and remove them.

I think that this is the case with any kind of eviction. A landlord or homeowner does not have the power to evict. They must go to court and get a ruling.

New Englander
10-11-2018, 10:04 AM
I wonder how the daughter feels about her 82 year old father being barred from his own house?

retiredguy123
10-11-2018, 10:35 AM
I think it is wrong for the court to issue a restraining order that results in a man being barred from living in his own house, when the daughter has no right to live there. I have to think that the judge is at fault and should have arranged for a better solution between the parties.

My Post
10-11-2018, 10:43 AM
Is it a good idea to raise an 8 YO in TV? Are there other kids to play with, sports teams, dance, karate, music, etc?

graciegirl
10-11-2018, 11:36 AM
Is it a good idea to raise an 8 YO in TV? Are there other kids to play with, sports teams, dance, karate, music, etc?

It doesn't matter, it is not allowed. I doubt if ANYONE in this situation has given much thought to this kid. All that has happened is being absorbed by the child for sure. Actions speak louder than words. Not very good lessons for a little one, I don't think.

manaboutown
10-11-2018, 11:55 AM
Actually I think the judge may have based his/her decision with the child’s immediate welfare as the highest priority. The judge did not want to throw the poor child out onto the street. Long term housing is of course another matter.

My hope is the man gets to move back into his home and the mother and child move out of TV.

As I understand it since The Villages management is not a governmental entity it does not have police powers. It will be interesting to see what steps are taken and how the law is invoked to achieve a lasting result.

retiredguy123
10-11-2018, 12:02 PM
If The Villages wants to have a rule that prohibits children from living here, then they also need to have a process to enforce the rule. Otherwise, what is the point? Apparently, this 8 year old has lived in The Villages his entire life. I guess the neighbors and the school he attends were both complicit in allowing his mother to violate the rules.

graciegirl
10-11-2018, 01:50 PM
If The Villages wants to have a rule that prohibits children from living here, then they also need to have a process to enforce the rule. Otherwise, what is the point? Apparently, this 8 year old has lived in The Villages his entire life. I guess the neighbors and the school he attends were both complicit in allowing his mother to violate the rules.

The rule isn't something The Villages made up or imposed.

The rule come from HUD and the deed restrictions imposed on an age restricted community. We have lived here for more than ten years and that rule has been effectively followed. I bet it will be in this situation as well.

ricthemic
10-11-2018, 02:02 PM
This is a very interesting thread. I now (and I assume thousands more) always thought anyone under 19 years could not live in TV for more than 30 days per year based upon a signed contract law. Now we know of at least three kids living/going to school here and most importantly it appears to be not against any law. So let’s see, if you put an 8 inch white cross or a pink flamingo in your front yard and don’t remove it you can be fined $250 per week or month..... very interesting in deed

tagjr1
10-11-2018, 02:03 PM
I sent this story to some friends who have adult children with substance abuse problems. I titled my email “How to lose your home to your druggie adult child”.

I really feel for this man.

Yeah, right! Don't you mean soon to be ex-friends?

CFrance
10-11-2018, 02:17 PM
Yeah, right! Don't you mean soon to be ex-friends?
Exactly.

My Post
10-11-2018, 02:26 PM
The friends are Kennedy's and they were like Ah, big deal.

Nucky
10-11-2018, 02:34 PM
Having the Grandfather on the outside looking in is just unbelievable. I feel bad that the child is in a stressful situation like this. There can be no winner at this point. I wonder why no one ever reported the child? Where is the child's father? Isn't there another answer to this problem than Grandad on the street?

No Good Deed Goes Unpunished. I would never call on them even though they were breaking the rules, I'm not Barney Fife.

manaboutown
10-11-2018, 02:47 PM
Yeah, right! Don't you mean soon to be ex-friends?

Quite to the contrary, they were grateful to get the link as they have nightmare alky/druggie worthless felon adult children who try to squeeze everything they can from their parents who attend Al-Anon meetings regularly and work their programs.

2BNTV
10-11-2018, 03:05 PM
I think there is a lot more to this story than what has been posted. We call all speculate like:
1. Is the grandfather mentally competent?
2. If the daughter does not own this house, how did she get him evicted?

I think there must be some extenuating circumstances and hopefully this will be resolved. I don't think it's healthy for an 8 year old to be living in TV not to mention, it's against the rules.

manaboutown
10-11-2018, 03:06 PM
The rule isn't something The Villages made up or imposed.

The rule come from HUD and the deed restrictions imposed on an age restricted community. We have lived here for more than ten years and that rule has been effectively followed. I bet it will be in this situation as well.

As I understand it the rule does not come from HUD. HOPA allows rules concerning children living in 55 and over communities.

The second paragraph in the summary explains. Housing for Older Persons Act - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_for_Older_Persons_Act)

Bogie Shooter
10-11-2018, 03:18 PM
As I understand the rule does not come from HUD. HOPA allows rules about children living in 55 and over communities.

Housing for Older Persons Act - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_for_Older_Persons_Act)

https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF

How long have you lived in The Villages?

eweissenbach
10-11-2018, 05:05 PM
I think there is a lot more to this story than what has been posted. We call all speculate like:
1. Is the grandfather mentally competent?
2. If the daughter does not own this house, how did she get him evicted?

I think there must be some extenuating circumstances and hopefully this will be resolved. I don't think it's healthy for an 8 year old to be living in TV not to mention, it's against the rules.

Ah my friends, the voice of reason and compassions. :bigbow:

rhood
10-12-2018, 05:46 AM
The rule isn't something The Villages made up or imposed.

The rule come from HUD and the deed restrictions imposed on an age restricted community. We have lived here for more than ten years and that rule has been effectively followed. I bet it will be in this situation as well.

Please cite the wording of this regulation and the statute.

graciegirl
10-12-2018, 08:44 AM
Please cite the wording of this regulation and the statute.

Please tell us your defense of having an eight year old living in an age restricted community in a home that does not belong to his parent and whose parent does not have permission to live in it?

skip0358
10-12-2018, 09:11 AM
This sounds like a lets stir the pot story. Not her house, Dad gets evicted How is that possible? Child living there long term with no complaints ? Really. Find all of this quite strange.

retiredguy123
10-12-2018, 09:48 AM
This sounds like a lets stir the pot story. Not her house, Dad gets evicted How is that possible? Child living there long term with no complaints ? Really. Find all of this quite strange.
I don't think the dad was evicted, but he was issued a restraining order to stay away from the daughter. So, since the daughter is living in the house, he cannot go there.

rhood
10-12-2018, 10:44 AM
Please tell us your defense of having an eight year old living in an age restricted community in a home that does not belong to his parent and whose parent does not have permission to live in it?

I don’t defend it. I think it’s bad. I just want to know where you got the impression that it is a HUD rule. I would like to read it, not hear an opinion.

graciegirl
10-12-2018, 10:58 AM
I don’t defend it. I think it’s bad. I just want to know where you got the impression that it is a HUD rule. I would like to read it, not hear an opinion.

Housing for Older Persons Act - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_for_Older_Persons_Act)
https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF

Best I can do.

Dan9871
10-12-2018, 11:09 AM
I don’t defend it. I think it’s bad. I just want to know where you got the impression that it is a HUD rule. I would like to read it, not hear an opinion.

HUD doesn't prevent children under 18 from living in a 55+ community. HUD makes an exception to the fair housing laws that allows a developer to exclude children under 18 from living in a 55+ community.

It's the deed covenants the don't allow children under 18 from living in The Villages. HUD just makes this covenant enforceable.

This is what HUD has to say on this topic:

HUD.gov / U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) (https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/seniors)

This ins't the actual laws or regulations involved... good luck reading those:), it's just HUD's summary of them.

Barefoot
10-12-2018, 11:26 AM
Apparently, this 8 year old has lived in The Villages his entire life. I guess the neighbors and the school he attends were both complicit in allowing his mother to violate the rules.
I've been told that a school bus regularly picks up and drops off young children in the Historical area.
If neighbors don't complain, nothing is done about young children living in The Villages
(and that applies to all villages, not just the Historical area).

My Post
10-12-2018, 11:35 AM
Analysts say the question "Why do your ears grow so big, Grandpa?" increases by around 400% per child under 12.
Oh, the humanity.

rhood
10-12-2018, 02:37 PM
Housing for Older Persons Act - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_for_Older_Persons_Act)
https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF

Best I can do.

Where does HUD state that children are prohibited?

Chi-Town
10-12-2018, 03:04 PM
My feeling is forget about HUD and covenants, and get the Florida Dept. of Children and Families involved. That poor kid has been through enough.

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Barefoot
10-12-2018, 05:50 PM
Where does HUD state that children are prohibited?It's a deed restriction that you accept when you purchase a home in The Villages.
Visitors under 19 years of age are limited to 30 days.
Most adult children who live with their parents are great, no problem.
Some residents feel that adult children over age 19 who have served time in jail or prison shouldn't be allowed in TV. :shrug:

rhood
10-12-2018, 06:08 PM
It's a deed restriction that you accept when you purchase a home in The Villages.
Visitors under 19 years of age are limited to 30 days.
Most adult children who live with their parents are great, no problem.
Some residents feel that adult children over age 19 who have served time in jail or prison shouldn't be allowed in TV. :shrug:

That’s correct. It was stated in an earlier post that it was a HUD rule. It is not.

manaboutown
10-12-2018, 08:45 PM
I've been told that a school bus regularly picks up and drops off young children in the Historical area.
If neighbors don't complain, nothing is done about young children living in The Villages
(and that applies to all villages, not just the Historical area).

Wow! How many children reside in the hysterical area at present?

Buffalo Jim
10-12-2018, 09:37 PM
That’s correct. It was stated in an earlier post that it was a HUD rule. It is not.

So What ! ?

thomp679
10-13-2018, 12:06 AM
I haven't seen anything from anyone as to how this 8 yr old has caused trauma to any of your lives. Why don't you use the amenities of The Villages to relax and quit complaining about everything. Life is short.

graciegirl
10-13-2018, 07:19 AM
I haven't seen anything from anyone as to how this 8 yr old has caused trauma to any of your lives. Why don't you use the amenities of The Villages to relax and quit complaining about everything. Life is short.

I don't think posters on this thread are "complaining about everything". It appears they are wondering why the child is still there when the deed restrictions state clearly that children under 19 are not allowed to live in The Villages.

Bogie Shooter
10-13-2018, 07:33 AM
I've been told that a school bus regularly picks up and drops off young children in the Historical area.
If neighbors don't complain, nothing is done about young children living in The Villages
(and that applies to all villages, not just the Historical area).
Is this the same source, "local hardware employee" that was quoted on the build out thread??

skip0358
10-13-2018, 07:49 AM
I don't think the dad was evicted, but he was issued a restraining order to stay away from the daughter. So, since the daughter is living in the house, he cannot go there.

Well IF it's HIS house SHE should be gone. Just saying.

justjim
10-13-2018, 08:07 AM
Well IF it's HIS house SHE should be gone. Just saying.

The daughter got a legal restraining order against the owner. I don’t know the “eviction laws” in Florida but from past experience I know it’s more difficult to remove a person with an underage child from a home. The 82 old owner needs a lawyer to get anything accomplished in getting back into his home. As pointed out, there may be more to the story... Deed restrictions need to be enforced equitably is a point most of us can agree on.

New Englander
10-13-2018, 09:08 AM
Well IF it's HIS house SHE should be gone. Just saying.

:agree:

Dan9871
10-13-2018, 09:12 AM
That’s correct. It was stated in an earlier post that it was a HUD rule. It is not.

It may be a technicality but it is a HUD rule that allows the "no minor children" clause in the deed covenants. Without that HUD rule it would be illegal to put that kind of clause in a 55+ community's covenants.

tv2016
10-13-2018, 10:44 AM
[QUOTE=Dan9871;1589664]It may be a technicality but it is a HUD rule that allows the "no minor children" clause in the deed covenants. Without that HUD rule it would be illegal to put that kind of clause in a 55+ community's covenants.[/QUOTE


Agree.

Topspinmo
10-13-2018, 11:17 AM
I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than what the Other Site reported. They only reported what would generate a lot of "clicks".

Yes, there is. A lot more from the other news site. (see the letter she wrote to get him kicked out of his own house) She moved in 8 years ago when she had the baby! 8 YEARS ago. IMO There quit few children living in the villages and at least 3 bus stops just from reading posts on here that i’m Aware of.

Not, sure but I think there is clause for extreme circumstances, which if there is is BS. This going to really out of control as villages keeps doubling in size. I think the underlining opinion is nothing can be done after the sale. Just like the judge did kick him out instead of mother and child, there places she could of when under court order.

graciegirl
10-13-2018, 11:22 AM
Yes, there is. A lot more from the other news site. (see the letter she wrote to get him kicked out of his own house) She moved in 8 years ago when she had the baby! 8 YEARS ago. IMO There quit few children living in the villages and at least 3 bus stops just from reading posts on here that i’m Aware of.

Not, sure but I think there is clause for extreme circumstances, which if there is is BS. This going to really out of control as villages keeps doubling in size. I think the underlining opinion is nothing can be done after the sale. Just like the judge did kick him out instead of mother and child, there places she could of when under court order.

I think this is a gross exaggeration and a great leap to conclusion. AND you know I think you are a great guy Topspin.

If there were school buses picking up children anywhere in The Villages, we would have heard about it or would have seen pictures. We are mostly quite observant of anything unusual in this place. Some call us villagers nibby nosed.

Topspinmo
10-13-2018, 11:24 AM
I haven't seen anything from anyone as to how this 8 yr old has caused trauma to any of your lives. Why don't you use the amenities of The Villages to relax and quit complaining about everything. Life is short.

Well, if I don’t have comply by the rules guess I’ll get me some chickens, 4 or 5 dogs and park my pickup truck in the yard. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!:ohdear:

graciegirl
10-13-2018, 11:26 AM
For any of you who would like to find out about School Buses and their routes in Lake County, Florida, Here ya go.

Bus Transportation Info / Welcome (https://www.lake.k12.fl.us/Page/28574)

Topspinmo
10-13-2018, 11:33 AM
Wow! How many children reside in the hysterical area at present?

Nobody knows cause nobody tracking,reporting, or doing anything about it.

Not the only district that has buses stop. From reading this site at least three buses stop and pick up children that I’m aware of and probably double that IMO. I’m surprised they don’t demand to go to village charter school? I sure that day will come if it not already happen?

billethkid
10-13-2018, 12:22 PM
Nobody knows cause nobody tracking,reporting, or doing anything about it.

Not the only district that has buses stop. From reading this site at least three buses stop and pick up children that I’m aware of and probably double that IMO. I’m surprised they don’t demand to go to village charter school? I sure that day will come if it not already happen?

The schools are for parents of those who work in TV or for TV.

I would venture a guess this issue is in the less than 1 % category.....

Why do we not see/hear as much angst and discontent about the significantly more rampant issue of law breaking, like speeding....running stop signs....residents letting their dogs poop at mail stations/etc.....which has the real potential to get "out of control".....

and much more likely to affect you or me and the other law abiding residents!!!

Bogie Shooter
10-13-2018, 12:34 PM
Nobody knows cause nobody tracking,reporting, or doing anything about it.

Not the only district that has buses stop. From reading this site at least three buses stop and pick up children that I’m aware of and probably double that IMO. I’m surprised they don’t demand to go to village charter school? I sure that day will come if it not already happen?

And of course if you read it here,.....it has to be true!🤓

skip0358
10-13-2018, 12:39 PM
The ONLY way you go to the Charter School is one, there is room, two, one of the parents or legal guardian has to work in one of the District supporting businesses (the list is on The Villages Charter School web site). The school on Rolling Acres is not a villages school and they do get a bus. All students attending The Villages Charter School must either walk or get dropped off or if they're of age they can drive there as there is NO bus service provided.The rules for the Charter School are enforced. Your supporting Parent or Guardian must also volunteer at the school.

graciegirl
10-13-2018, 12:41 PM
Nobody knows cause nobody tracking,reporting, or doing anything about it.

Not the only district that has buses stop. From reading this site at least three buses stop and pick up children that I’m aware of and probably double that IMO. I’m surprised they don’t demand to go to village charter school? I sure that day will come if it not already happen?

WHERE?

There are frequent posters who live in the historical area and they have not mentioned school buses.

I think like Billethekid says this is an isolated instance and this homeowner needs a lawyer.

Judge Judy would have it straightened out for sure. I love the way she thinks.

Topspinmo
10-13-2018, 03:12 PM
The ONLY way you go to the Charter School is one, there is room, two, one of the parents or legal guardian has to work in one of the District supporting businesses (the list is on The Villages Charter School web site). The school on Rolling Acres is not a villages school and they do get a bus. All students attending The Villages Charter School must either walk or get dropped off or if they're of age they can drive there as there is NO bus service provided.The rules for the Charter School are enforced. Your supporting Parent or Guardian must also volunteer at the school.

News flash, the child is going to charter school with address in the villages 55 and over restricted age limit. So, they ARE not strictly enforced.

Topspinmo
10-13-2018, 03:20 PM
And of course if you read it here,.....it has to be true!🤓

I don’t know bout the other two, but I have witness one.
The bus don’t stop in villages, but right next to it. I see this most mornings while doing and activity. I watch the presumed suspects drive up in golf cart, exit with back packs walk out to the street and catch bus. suspects because there is section in my district that’s don’t have to play by district rules. I’m not going to confront, harass, or follow them.

TVMayor
10-13-2018, 03:27 PM
WHERE?

There are frequent posters who live in the historical area and they have not mentioned school buses.

I think like Billethekid says this is an isolated instance and this homeowner needs a lawyer.

Judge Judy would have it straightened out for sure. I love the way she thinks.
The Villages Elementary bus stops at the village gate on the Historical Side. The gate is at the Jeffery entrance off Griffin. The gate is on one side of Griffin and Lady Lake Specialty Care is on the other. I have witnessed, while parked in the parking lot of Lady Lake Specialty Care, a child getting of the bus and walking thru the gate and getting into a car and the car drove into the Historical area.

billethkid
10-13-2018, 03:46 PM
News flash, the child is going to charter school with address in the villages 55 and over restricted age limit. So, they ARE not strictly enforced.

Or, which is the case for most us, we do not know the rest of the story. The conclusion may or may not be valid.

I just called a teacher at the TV school (Relative of ours)....and asked her the question I knew the answer to....are there any students attending TV Charter schools that do not have a parent or guardian working in TV.

Her answer, not that she was aware of...all students must have a qualifying parent that works within TV.

They do enforce the rules as we are aware of individuals who for one reason or another discontinued working in TV....they had to relocate their children.

More fodder for discussion!!

Topspinmo
10-13-2018, 03:47 PM
The schools are for parents of those who work in TV or for TV.

I would venture a guess this issue is in the less than 1 % category.....

Why do we not see/hear as much angst and discontent about the significantly more rampant issue of law breaking, like speeding....running stop signs....residents letting their dogs poop at mail stations/etc.....which has the real potential to get "out of control".....

and much more likely to affect you or me and the other law abiding residents!!!

Really rules, regulations, laws, and covenants are only good for people that follow them. Only person of authority can enforce them.

It don’t affect me, no children living in my village and I am not the village police so It don’t bother me that much to confront the rule breakers, But, I play by the rules that I signed when I brought and I guess I expect everybody else to do so, plenty of family villages connected to main campus for those who have children and I think their building more off cr466 in the spot the trees have been plowed down?

Topspinmo
10-13-2018, 04:02 PM
Or, which is the case for most us, we do not know the rest of the story. The conclusion may or may not be valid.

I just called a teacher at the TV school (Relative of ours)....and asked her the question I knew the answer to....are there any students attending TV Charter schools that do not have a parent or guardian working in TV.

Her answer, not that she was aware of...all students must have a qualifying parent that works within TV.

They do enforce the rules as we are aware of individuals who for one reason or another discontinued working in TV....they had to relocate their children.


My purpose is to only contribute that which is known.

I sure they try, i’m Not saying they over look, but due to the numbers probably guessing some slip under the door and they may be exclusions in special circumstances? I don’t know?

Well, I don’t know if any news is correct and written from both points of view. But, have to form an opinion or what’s the sense of reading it?

Have you read the latest news update on the subject on the other site ? evidently using false address and she probably was employed in the 8 years she been living in said address, but the more they fight over the child the more comes out in the news.

Topspinmo
10-13-2018, 04:08 PM
WHERE?

There are frequent posters who live in the historical area and they have not mentioned school buses.

I think like Billethekid says this is an isolated instance and this homeowner needs a lawyer.

Judge Judy would have it straightened out for sure. I love the way she thinks.

It’s shame he and child has to go through this. If he just followed the rule that we know of maybe it would of not come to this. I would imagine his blood pressure it through the roof, not to mention the financial spot he’s in. Just sad situation IMO.

manaboutown
10-13-2018, 04:26 PM
According to the unmentionable news the daughter has been arrested for selling meth as well as possessing it and pot. The photo of her posted at that site shows a woman having a meth user’s complexion IMO.

The site also, as previously posted, states that the eight year old boy attends the charter school.

It seems the grandfather has tried to help the boy from the time of his birth.

The daughter is another under 55 problem criminal drug user and dealer adult child from Hell leeching off and living with a parent residing in a 55 and over community.

billethkid
10-13-2018, 04:32 PM
The news source we don't/can't mention gets mentioned a lot........:duck:

Topspinmo
10-13-2018, 04:36 PM
According to the unmentionable news the daughter has been arrested for selling meth as well as possessing it and pot. The photo of her posted at that site shows a woman having a meth user’s complexion IMO.

The site also, as previously posted, states that the eight year old boy attends the charter school.

It seems the grandfather has tried to help the boy from the time of his birth.

The daughter is another under 55 problem adult child leeching off and living with a parent residing in a 55 and over community.

Manaboutown you’ve been around:coolsmiley: and not fooled easily:clap2::clap2:finely someone else see’s the same opinion I do?

graciegirl
10-13-2018, 04:54 PM
Manaboutown you’ve been around:coolsmiley: and not fooled easily:clap2::clap2:finely someone else see’s the same opinion I do?

A child is only allowed to attend the Charter School if a parent works for a business owned by or rented from The Villages. When the employment ends, the child is no longer allowed to attend any of the Charter Schools in The Villages but then can attend a local school like the one on Rolling Acres near 441. None of us really know the particulars about this. The only thing we know FOR SURE is that the child is living there and it is against deed restrictions. Fines and liens can be filed, iF someone reports the child living there. I have heard that it is very difficult to remove squatters. Perhaps the grandfather doesn't want to file a charge?

thelegges
10-13-2018, 06:48 PM
True about TV charter school. When Southern Lifestyle closed any employee that had a child in charter school had to relocate By last day of employment

Barefoot
10-13-2018, 07:19 PM
It seems that granddad is making the eight-year old child his first priority.
So sad that the child has to suffer through this dispute. Childhood should be a happy time.

rustyp
10-14-2018, 06:13 AM
A child is only allowed to attend the Charter School if a parent works for a business owned by or rented from The Villages. When the employment ends, the child is no longer allowed to attend any of the Charter Schools in The Villages but then can attend a local school like the one on Rolling Acres near 441. None of us really know the particulars about this. The only thing we know FOR SURE is that the child is living there and it is against deed restrictions. Fines and liens can be filed, iF someone reports the child living there. I have heard that it is very difficult to remove squatters. Perhaps the grandfather doesn't want to file a charge?

I read the article that cited the CDD officials (our elected officials that represent us) have no control over this internal deed restriction and thus wrote a letter to the developer quite some time ago about a similar situation. To date no response back. Should not the officials have lodge a complaint with HUD also?

skip0358
10-14-2018, 06:49 AM
The Mother works in the The Villages which allows the Child to attend the Charter School. The Mother brings the Child to School now since Grandpa is out of the Picture.

rustyp
10-14-2018, 07:14 AM
The Mother works in the The Villages which allows the Child to attend the Charter School. The Mother brings the Child to School now since Grandpa is out of the Picture.

Even if a parent works for TV they can't live in 55 and over communities if under 19 yrs old. That is why The Villages has family villages like Buffalo Ridge. Also residents in these neighborhoods are not allowed to use TV amenities.

graciegirl
10-14-2018, 07:16 AM
Even if a parent works for TV they can't live in 55 and over communities if under 19 yrs old. That is why The Villages has family villages like Buffalo Ridge.

Yes. That is correct. Meanwhile the fines are piling up. Just heard from someone who lives nearby that the owner of the home is a great guy according to neighborhood assessment. I only believe gossip if it is positive. As I have said at least three times on this thread there is more to the story. I can see from miles away that if the grandmother was alive that girl (the mother of the child and daughter of the guy who owns the house) would be in a pickle and spanked and sent on her way. What MOST people have done in the past in a similar situation is sell the house and move to a home where children are allowed if they do not want to make the little one move. There is an answer to their dilemma, but there must be a reason why the processes of deed restriction are brought to a halt here. If we wait, sooner or later we will know the answer. Or like most people, we will jump to our own conclusion. Do you think dark money is involved? ;)

rustyp
10-14-2018, 10:12 AM
Yes. That is correct. Meanwhile the fines are piling up. Just heard from someone who lives nearby that the owner of the home is a great guy according to neighborhood assessment. I only believe gossip if it is positive. As I have said at least three times on this thread there is more to the story. I can see from miles away that if the grandmother was alive that girl (the mother of the child and daughter of the guy who owns the house) would be in a pickle and spanked and sent on her way. What MOST people have done in the past in a similar situation is sell the house and move to a home where children are allowed if they do not want to make the little one move. There is an answer to their dilemma, but there must be a reason why the processes of deed restriction are brought to a halt here. If we wait, sooner or later we will know the answer. Or like most people, we will jump to our own conclusion. Do you think dark money is involved? ;)

Dark money ? Me thinks it should be as easy as an "off the shelf" solution.

graciegirl
10-14-2018, 12:22 PM
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Dark money ? Me thinks it should be as easy as an "off the shelf" solution.

That was meant to be funny, McGee.

skip0358
10-15-2018, 06:40 AM
News flash, the child is going to charter school with address in the villages 55 and over restricted age limit. So, they ARE not strictly enforced.

News Flash. The school does’t enforce the where you live rule only that you work in TV. The other part is up to the District. Unless someone complains about a Child living where they don’t belong along with all the othe violations that occur it doesn’t get fixed. Even when violations are reported sometimes it’s a long process to get it fixed

retiredguy123
10-15-2018, 06:50 AM
News Flash. The school does’t enforce the where you live rule only that you work in TV. The other part is up to the District. Unless someone complains about a Child living where they don’t belong along with all the othe violations that occur it doesn’t get fixed. Even when violations are reported sometimes it’s a long process to get it fixed
It seems to me that the schools should enforce the "where you live" rule.

skip0358
10-15-2018, 06:51 AM
News flash, the child is going to charter school with address in the villages 55 and over restricted age limit. So, they ARE not strictly enforced.

News Flash. The school does’t enforce the where you live rule only that you work in TV. The other part is up to the District. Unless someone complains about a Child living where they don’t belong along with all the othe violations that occur it doesn’t get fixed. Even when violations are reported sometimes it’s a long process to get it fixed

skip0358
10-15-2018, 06:57 AM
If The Villages wants to have a rule that prohibits children from living here, then they also need to have a process to enforce the rule. Otherwise, what is the point? Apparently, this 8 year old has lived in The Villages his entire life. I guess the neighbors and the school he attends were both complicit in allowing his mother to violate the rules.

Students from Ocala to Bushnell and probably further go to this school as long as a parent works in a qualifying business the list is on the school web site

bilcon
10-15-2018, 07:46 AM
This is not the first instance of underage children secretly living in The Villages, although with all the "Trolls" living here, I find it hard to believe they are not discovered. I lost friendship with a couple because I disagreed with them when they told me that their neighbor takes care of her young grandchildren who live in her house. My former friends found nothing wrong with this. SORRY, I love children and worked with them for 37 years, but now I want to live with adults. My 7 grandchildren are welcome any time, but not for more than 30 days a year.

"I never made a mistake in my life. I thought I did once, but I was wrong."

TVMayor
10-15-2018, 07:47 AM
Should Lake County Children’s Services be involved? 352-742-6520

Dad may be forbidden to enter his house but he could turn off the electricity and water.

billethkid
10-15-2018, 08:07 AM
It seems to me that the schools should enforce the "where you live" rule.

The rule is whether one works in or for TV.....not where they live.

retiredguy123
10-15-2018, 08:13 AM
The rule is whether one works in or for TV.....not where they live.
I know that enrollment is based on where the parents work. But, the schools were set up to support The Villages and they are using taxpayer money to educate the students. So, I just think they should be required to assist in enforcing the requirement that children under 19 not live in The Villages.

graciegirl
10-15-2018, 08:30 AM
I know that enrollment is based on where the parents work. But, the schools were set up to support The Villages and they are using taxpayer money to educate the students. So, I just think they should be required to assist in enforcing the requirement that children under 19 not live in The Villages.


"THEY" always have done just that.

Bucco
10-15-2018, 08:56 AM
I know that enrollment is based on where the parents work. But, the schools were set up to support The Villages and they are using taxpayer money to educate the students. So, I just think they should be required to assist in enforcing the requirement that children under 19 not live in The Villages.

The charter school system in The Villages was set up to attract better quality workers and professionals to be employed here.p and/or open business here.

New Englander
10-15-2018, 10:28 AM
Should Lake County Children’s Services be involved? 352-742-6520

Dad may be forbidden to enter his house but he could turn off the electricity and water.

I'd be okay to turn those off on the daughter, but not the child.

Carla B
10-15-2018, 05:05 PM
News flash, the child is going to charter school with address in the villages 55 and over restricted age limit. So, they ARE not strictly enforced.

How do you know the child is going to the Charter school? Maybe he's attending The Villages Elementary of Lady Lake on Rolling Acres, which is not the Charter school.

Barefoot
10-17-2018, 01:30 PM
How do you know the child is going to the Charter school? Maybe he's attending The Villages Elementary of Lady Lake on Rolling Acres, which is not the Charter school.The article in the online newspaper stated that the child attends the Charter School.
Skip said the mother works in The Villages, so the child is therefore entitled to attend the Charter School.
The issue is a young child living in The Villages, not which school he attends.

Madelaine Amee
10-19-2018, 07:47 AM
The unmentionable online news has more information this morning on this ongoing problem.

graciegirl
10-19-2018, 08:52 AM
The unmentionable online news has more information this morning on this ongoing problem.

I didn't see any reference to this story M. A.

New Englander
10-19-2018, 09:04 AM
I didn't see any reference to this story M. A.

Same here

Chi-Town
10-19-2018, 10:01 AM
The bottom line is if there is no resolution the father will have to sell his house, and that would end the controversy. Sad for him. And the poor kid is just a pawn in all of this.


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manaboutown
10-19-2018, 11:09 AM
The bottom line is if there is no resolution the father will have to sell his house, and that would end the controversy. Sad for him. And the poor kid is just a pawn in all of this.


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The child is a pawn. His mother has used him from the get go as leverage to feed and house herself. This is all too common with adult druggies who otherwise would have to fend for themselves. They just have one or more children so that grandpa and/or grandma will continue to support them along with their grandchildren.

Topspinmo
10-19-2018, 12:02 PM
News Flash. The school does’t enforce the where you live rule only that you work in TV. The other part is up to the District. Unless someone complains about a Child living where they don’t belong along with all the othe violations that occur it doesn’t get fixed. Even when violations are reported sometimes it’s a long process to get it fixed

I've bet she hasn't been employed by villages for years, probably IMO got fired long time ago. After all, what did she do with the money she made in 8 years? I think we can probably come to conclusion of that? Surely didn't go on saving for apartment? That child not the only one living in villages under 19 and probably not the only one going to charter school when thousands are involved. Yes they try to do things right but some entitled fall through the cracks. Nobody probably verified where they live at that address, it a paper trail and paper trails can be manipulated. I still say there's hardship clause that allows children under 19, though I can't find it? Plus there district that don't have to play my majority of rules in the common villages.

Barefoot
10-19-2018, 12:05 PM
The unmentionable online news has more information this morning on this ongoing problem.
Which section? I couldn't find it.

graciegirl
10-19-2018, 12:10 PM
I've bet she hasn't been employed by villages for years, probably IMO got fired long time ago. After all, what did she do with the money she made in 8 years? I think we can probably come to conclusion of that? Surely didn't go on saving for apartment? That child not the only one living in villages under 19 and probably not the only one going to charter school when thousands are involved. Yes they try to do things right but some entitled fall through the cracks. Nobody probably verified where they live at that address, it a paper trail and paper trails can be manipulated. I still say there's hardship clause that allows children under 19, though I can't find it? Plus there district that don't have to play my majority of rules in the common villages.

I looked for the mom on Facebook and I think I found her with her eight year old son. She appears to be involved in her local church here and looks like a typical nice person. There must be something we don't know.

Barefoot
10-19-2018, 12:14 PM
..... what did she do with the money she made in 8 years? I think we can probably come to conclusion of that? Surely didn't go on saving for apartment? :agree: You would think that she would have been saving for an apartment.
Now that she has gained possession of the home, she is protesting the lack of her dad's vehicle. :ohdear:

Chi-Town
10-19-2018, 12:20 PM
I looked for the mom on Facebook and I think I found her with her eight year old son. She appears to be involved in her local church here and looks like a typical nice person. There must be something we don't know.Here's her photo from the not to mention site:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181019/9b765a3982925cff168e7450cecdaaad.jpg

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Madelaine Amee
10-19-2018, 03:28 PM
Which section? I couldn't find it.

She is #2 story of 4 this morning. Quite a long piece on them. It would appear that he has been supporting her for many years. She is 41 and he is 82 so if I put 2+2 together she is either the product of a second marriage or a change of life child ........... It seems to me that he wants the child, but that is not going to happen at his age!!!

I am sure there is a lot of info which we know nothing about, and nor should we, but being human it is hard not to wonder and speculate.

Madelaine Amee
10-19-2018, 03:29 PM
Here's her photo from the not to mention site:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181019/9b765a3982925cff168e7450cecdaaad.jpg

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If you put their photos side by side they are the mirror image of each other.

manaboutown
10-19-2018, 03:42 PM
If you put their photos side by side they are the mirror image of each other.

The daughter bears a "cracked" mirror image to her father, pardon the pun. IMO her father looks terrific for 82. His daughter looks trashed. Her complexion shows the medium term effects of meth and alcohol abuse.

Madelaine Amee
10-19-2018, 03:48 PM
The daughter bears a "cracked" mirror image to her father, pardon the pun. IMO her father looks terrific for 82. His daughter looks trashed. Her complexion shows the medium term effects of meth and alcohol abuse.

I'll give you that one ......... :icon_wink:

manaboutown
10-19-2018, 03:59 PM
PHOTOS: How methamphetamine destroys your face and physical appearance | abc13.com (https://abc13.com/health/photos-you-wont-want-to-try-meth-after-you-see-what-it-does-to-your-face/1688177/)

Madelaine Amee
10-26-2018, 07:26 AM
Update to this sad story in the online news:

Villager and daughter to have court-ordered meeting over eviction from Historic Side home. An 82-year-old Villager and his daughter will take part in a court-ordered meeting next month over an eviction from a Historic Side home.

Hopefully this will bring an end to this very sad situation.

Chatbrat
10-27-2018, 04:59 PM
After seeing pictures of the daughter with the "picking" scabs on her face she is a stone cold meth head , and in today's unmentionable online news source she's involved with another family altercation--this is an abuse of the justice system

manaboutown
10-27-2018, 06:00 PM
I have read in the on-line news over the last week or two several other felonious illegal drug using adult children living with their parent(s) in The Villages have been arrested. And the beat goes on...

ronsroni
10-31-2018, 06:57 AM
No COMPASSION for a CHILD???

Barefoot
10-31-2018, 08:25 AM
Update to this sad story in the online news:
Villager and daughter to have court-ordered meeting over eviction from Historic Side home. An 82-year-old Villager and his daughter will take part in a court-ordered meeting next month over an eviction from a Historic Side home.
Hopefully this will bring an end to this very sad situation.It is a very sad and unfortunate situation because the innocent child is being used as a pawn.

manaboutown
10-31-2018, 09:10 AM
It is a very sad and unfortunate situation because the innocent child is being used as a pawn.

That is what meth addicts and other drug addicts frequently do with their children - and worse!