Nice while it lasted....no Tiger that is!!!!

[billethkid]

And his self centered persona continues by making his BIGGIE announcement during the tournament oh by the way sponsored by one of his sponsors that had the good sense and ethics to dump him.
Unfortunately he is all the media will be interested in for the next few days.

Now we have to listen to all the dribble and tale telling he and his spinners have conjured up. But as the saying goes, you can rearrange the spots on a leopard but when you get all done.....you still have a leopard!!!!!!!!

For me, it was nice to watch the golf greats that deserve the being called great.

btk

[dog friendly]

Tiger is one the golf greats!

[redwitch]

Sorry, but nothing can take away from his talent. He is, was and always will be a golfing great.

To me, his personal life is just that -- his personal life. What happened between he and any consenting adult is between them and, of course, his wife and family. It is none of our business.

I truly miss the days when it wasn't necessary to report every transgression made by someone famous. In fact, it was kept quiet. Washington was known to sleep in several beds other than his own and the beds were rarely used by just one man. Jefferson not only had sex with his slaves, he fathered children with them. FDR had affairs. So did Eisenhower. Kennedy was notorious (well after the fact, of course). Think Nixon was pretty clean in sexual matters, but not much elsewhere. Bush #1 had been known to stray. Have no clue about Bush #2. Clinton got caught and it besmirched a pretty good presidential run. And, of course, Carter strayed in his heart.

Kareem bragged about sleeping with thousands of women. Magic Johnson caught aids from a woman (he has no clue which one). And so on and so forth.

Being sexually promiscuous does not make you more nor less of a politician, athlete, actor, etc. Now, tell me Tiger cheated while playing golf and I'll happily get on the bandstand and jeer him, as I do Conseco and MacGwire and the other steroid users. Cheating in your sport is wrong and should negate any talent you have. Cheating on your mate is morally wrong but has nothing to do with the talent of the person.

[BogeyBoy]

And his self centered persona continues by making his BIGGIE announcement during the tournament oh by the way sponsored by one of his sponsors that had the good sense and ethics to dump him.
Unfortunately he is all the media will be interested in for the next few days.

Now we have to listen to all the dribble and tale telling he and his spinners have conjured up. But as the saying goes, you can rearrange the spots on a leopard but when you get all done.....you still have a leopard!!!!!!!!

For me, it was nice to watch the golf greats that deserve the being called great.

btk

But of course by starting this thread you have fueled the fire and we will all have to discuss Tiger. The media is already making a circus of it, the contents of his 5 minute speech have "surfaced". Will Elin be by his side? Neither of them are wearing wedding bands. He's wearing the "swoosh" while jogging. He has all of his teeth. And on and on and on.

TH - here's a novel idea. Don't allow any threads about Tiger. If anyone starts one have it automatically post as "If you are interested in Tiger Woods please turn on the Golf Channel." (And no one is allowed to post to that thread.)

I would just like to watch him play golf. He took the game to a new level and it entertains me.

[schotzyb]

And his self centered persona continues by making his BIGGIE announcement during the tournament oh by the way sponsored by one of his sponsors that had the good sense and ethics to dump him.
Unfortunately he is all the media will be interested in for the next few days.

Now we have to listen to all the dribble and tale telling he and his spinners have conjured up. But as the saying goes, you can rearrange the spots on a leopard but when you get all done.....you still have a leopard!!!!!!!!

For me, it was nice to watch the golf greats that deserve the being called great.

btk

I could care less if he never plays another round of professional golf. I too enjoyed the semi peace and quiet while he has been in seclusion but the announcers make sure to mention him at least every few minutes so it is not total peace and quiet

[GatorFan]

I personally never watched golf until Tiger came along. He is a great golfer and will go down in history as one of the best if not the best golfer of all time. I could care less what he does in his private life.

[zcaveman]

I just hope this "conference" is limited to the Golf Channel and that they get tired of talking about it pretty soon. It is ruining my watching the golf channel. I know I can always turn the sound off. But that ribbon does not stop!!

[billethkid]

any sport than just being a great player.
OK he draws crowds and plays good. His personal life is his own, granted.

He will just join the ranks of all the many other offenders of moral decency that are forgiven by the fickle fans..... and the owners and some sponsors who don't care as long as the $$$$ rolls in. Such is our permissive society of the 21st century!!!!!!!!!

btk

[islandgal]

any sport than just being a great player.
OK he draws crowds and plays good. His personal life is his own, granted.

He will just join the ranks of all the many other offenders of moral decency that are forgiven by the fickle fans..... and the owners and some sponsors who don't care as long as the $$$$ rolls in. Such is our permissive society of the 21st century!!!!!!!!!

btk

.......and our frenzied and obtrusive media.

[GMONEY]

any sport than just being a great player.
OK he draws crowds and plays good. His personal life is his own, granted.

He will just join the ranks of all the many other offenders of moral decency that are forgiven by the fickle fans..... and the owners and some sponsors who don't care as long as the $$$$ rolls in. Such is our permissive society of the 21st century!!!!!!!!!

btk

I am kinda stuck on the " OK he draws crowds and plays good."

Somewhere in that statement is a real understatement. Draws rather large amounts of people and plays better than superman on his best day....

Like or not, he is the best and he is human. He is not the first or last that will make mistakes in his life. If he learns from it and can repair some of damage with his family he will be doing good. But you can not take from him what he has done and still can do.

As for the tournament and sponsor, you need a crying towel like Els does. The only ones crying about it are the ones that cant beat him if he had the FLU, A broken Arm and his clubs were stolen and he had to play with just a broom. Kinda like Kevin Costner all he needs is a 7 iron and your toast.

Enough about him. If the media would let him and his family alone, you wouldnt be on here singing the blues.....


Just A Thought!!!! :cryin2:

[l2ridehd]

There is a significant point you are all missing. Golf is a game of honesty and integrity. It is a game where players are required to call a foul on themselves that only they see. It is a game that if played correctly requires a great deal of ethics. I value that part of the game and believe it is what separates golf from many of the other sports. Tiger was a great golfer. He violated that trust that you have to have to play golf. He will no longer have my respect and I will not support him or his sponsors in the future.

[graciegirl]

Aside from his golfing ability, he has now become famous or infamous to the non golfing, trash reading (not always the same) crowd. (I admit I read The National Enquirers' banner headlines when I am waiting in checkout and pick it up and read the inside too)

My personal opinion is that he was too late coming forward with a statement when this happened and now he is too early for my taste. I think that he has decided to play in the Masters and that is the reason for this timing. If he really wanted to "mend" his ruined image, he would wait until he wasn't fresh out of rehab. I personally believe that he had some substance abuse problem as well.

BUT....He doesn't have all of the wisdom that comes with age that is the hallmark of this forum. I really like to read what all of you have to write and sometimes I change my mind because of it.

Gracie (four putter)

[billethkid]

as in not in the equation!!!!

OK....it is the privledge of some to "pass" all the wrong doing in favor of his so called ability above and beyond all other players (in my opinion an overstatement).
His actions and language on the golf course are not par for the course (puns intended)...the totality of the player is not just an ability to get the best score.
The actions in his personal life and public showing are not consistent with what we would like any of our family to emulate.....except maybe getting a better score.
All are entitled to their opinions, likes/dis-likes.

The sport of golf did just fine before he arrived on the scene. It has survived without him this past few months, and it will eventually survive again without him.

Lest we forget, like politicians actions and words are all orchestrated for public consumption and personal gain only....today's controlled appearance is just that. All part of the coming out plan and the greasing of the skids (and brains of fans) for his return...on his terms...his golf scores may be better than most his his score as a person is at the depths of the other end of the spectrum......all my personal opinion.

btk

[cashman]

There is a significant point you are all missing. Golf is a game of honesty and integrity. It is a game where players are required to call a foul on themselves that only they see. It is a game that if played correctly requires a great deal of ethics. I value that part of the game and believe it is what separates golf from many of the other sports. Tiger was a great golfer. He violated that trust that you have to have to play golf. He will no longer have my respect and I will not support him or his sponsors in the future.

If we followed your rule the pro golf tournaments and all golf courses would be empty. This Goody Two Shoes attitude suggests that all golfers are without sin. Do you think that all men and women are without sin?

[Pturner]

Unlike many, I don't know what Tiger is going to say in less than an hour. I don't know whether he is coming back to golf next month, next year or never.

But dear Judges, Jurors and Executioners,

Ye who are tired of hearing about Tiger but not of talking about him,
Ye who resent him coming back (or not) on his own terms, speaking in his own voice.

How would you complete his sentences?

I mean, his verbal and his penal ones.

[l2ridehd]

Your very cynical cashman. Remind me to never play golf with you. I play the game as honest as possible and expect other to as well. And I believe that most all professional golfers do the same. Think about the times you have seen it in tournaments. Where a golfer will call an official over and show them their ball moved when trying to remove some impediment. When a ball moved after removing the mark on the green. When someone like Tiger is a habitual liar because of his trying to hide his affairs, so you have to believe he will bring that to the game of golf. So he can stay home as far as I am concerned. And if you believe that is OK and do the same yourself, I hope you stay home as well.

[TallerTrees]

Your very cynical cashman. Remind me to never play golf with you. I play the game as honest as possible and expect other to as well. And I believe that most all professional golfers do the same. Think about the times you have seen it in tournaments. Where a golfer will call an official over and show them their ball moved when trying to remove some impediment. When a ball moved after removing the mark on the green. When someone like Tiger is a habitual liar because of his trying to hide his affairs, so you have to believe he will bring that to the game of golf. So he can stay home as far as I am concerned. And if you believe that is OK and do the same yourself, I hope you stay home as well.
Tiger is the best golfer in history. He is apologizing and admitting what he has done. He is trying to work it out with his family. It's NONE of your business. Did you ever see Tiger cheat before? No. Yet you say now he will cheat. I'll bet you have cheated (fudged) in in golf. So all this self righteousness is ridiculous.

Have you never cheated in your personal life? Are you a habitual liar? Who are you to judge someone else? Have you apologized or tried to receive help?

I hope Tiger comes back and comes back strong. Everyone deserves redemption if they are sincere and want to turn their lives around. I wish him only the best and his family happiness.

I'll bet most people would rather watch Tiger play than you. Your judgment towards Tiger is laughable in a sad way. You have learned nothing in your life.

[islandgal]

I was truly touching to me and I believe in him despite those that disagree with me.
He is returning to rehab immediately saying he has a long way to go and doesn't know
when he will return to golf.
He is angry with the press for following his wife and children, saying it is about him, not them -
I don't blame him. I am fed up with the press and not just about Tiger.

[graciegirl]

I was truly touching to me and I believe in him despite those that disagree with me.
He is returning to rehab immediately saying he has a long way to go and doesn't know
when he will return to golf.
He is angry with the press for following his wife and children, saying it is about him, not them -
I don't blame him. I am fed up with the press and not just about Tiger.

Well said. As usual.

I remember this old poem and some of it fits;

TIGER, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder and what art
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand and what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? What dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

When the stars threw down their spears,
And water'd heaven with their tears,
Did He smile His work to see?
Did He who made the lamb make thee?

Tiger, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

[Russ_Boston]

L2 - I have to take a little exception to what you stated.

I don't see how his lies (despicable as they are) interfere with his honesty on the golf course. Tiger has called penalties on himself in the past as is his duty. I hope you don't think that the other 149 PGA tour members have never lied, or cheated on their wives. Life experience should tell you different.

Granted, I may not want to personally play with a person that I know cheats since they may bring that to the course (and eventually to my wallet). But in the regulated on course life that these PGA members have it would be difficult to think that they could get away with it. Especially Tiger, since every shot he takes is televised or recorded.

I can appreciate your statement that you will not support him or his sponsors and that is certainly your right. But we all contribute to it just by viewing a PGA event which brings in more ad revenue and therefore jacks up the price of almost every item we purchase in the store. Let's face it, when Tiger comes back later this or next year it WILL BE the most watched golf event in the history of the PGA.

[l2ridehd]

Tiger is the best golfer in history. He is apologizing and admitting what he has done. He is trying to work it out with his family. It's NONE of your business. Did you ever see Tiger cheat before? No. Yet you say now he will cheat. I'll bet you have cheated (fudged) in in golf. So all this self righteousness is ridiculous.

Have you never cheated in your personal life? Are you a habitual liar? Who are you to judge someone else? Have you apologized or tried to receive help?

I hope Tiger comes back and comes back strong. Everyone deserves redemption if they are sincere and want to turn their lives around. I wish him only the best and his family happiness.

I'll bet most people would rather watch Tiger play than you. Your judgment towards Tiger is laughable in a sad way. You have learned nothing in your life.

Tall Trees Such a vitriolic response. No I have never seen Tiger cheat. However I would certainly watch him a lot closer going forward. And no, I am not a cheat or a liar. And I have just as much freedom of speech as you do. And I will use it. And I sure hope most people would prefer to watch any professional golfer over me. And speaking of judgement, yours is laughable as well. chilout

[Russ_Boston]

Tiger is the best golfer in history. He is apologizing and admitting what he has done. He is trying to work it out with his family. It's NONE of your business. Did you ever see Tiger cheat before? No. Yet you say now he will cheat. I'll bet you have cheated (fudged) in in golf. So all this self righteousness is ridiculous.

Have you never cheated in your personal life? Are you a habitual liar? Who are you to judge someone else? Have you apologized or tried to receive help?

I hope Tiger comes back and comes back strong. Everyone deserves redemption if they are sincere and want to turn their lives around. I wish him only the best and his family happiness.

I'll bet most people would rather watch Tiger play than you. Your judgment towards Tiger is laughable in a sad way. You have learned nothing in your life.

There have been people banned from this site for saying much less than you just did.

Are you calling a respected TOTV member a CHEAT? You don't even know the man probably and definitely have never played golf with him. I have played golf with him and I look forward to doing it again and I would never play with a cheat.

You need to reconsider your words! (Read my response a few posts ago if you need some lessons on how to have a civil disagreement)

[TallerTrees]

Tall Trees Such a vitriolic response. No I have never seen Tiger cheat. However I would certainly watch him a lot closer going forward. And no, I am not a cheat or a liar. And I have just as much freedom of speech as you do. And I will use it. And I sure hope most people would prefer to watch any professional golfer over me. And speaking of judgement, yours is laughable as well. chilout


That's funny. You were so condescending to Cashman. My point was that you are so self righteous to Tiger, yet you yourself have much to hide. You can use your free speech all you want, but I have the right to call you out about what you say. I just couldn't sit back and let you condescend with your own house 'out of order.'

[hdh1470]

Not to long ago we had a president that did about the same thing and all the loons on the left kept saying its only sex forget about it. I bet those are the same people who are upset about tiger.At least he didn't commit perjury

[BobKat1]

I think it's the folks on the right who are upset. Just kidding! Who knows or cares...

[Chi-Town]

Not to long ago we had a president that did about the same thing and all the loons on the left kept saying its only sex forget about it. I bet those are the same people who are upset about tiger.At least he didn't commit perjury
All the loons on the left? Who's been watching The O'Reilly Factor?

[hdh1470]

All the loons on the left? Who's been watching The O'Reilly Factor?

The only show I watch is morning joe on msnbc

[l2ridehd]

That's funny. You were so condescending to Cashman. My point was that you are so self righteous to Tiger, yet you yourself have much to hide. You can use your free speech all you want, but I have the right to call you out about what you say. I just couldn't sit back and let you condescend with your own house 'out of order.'

I don't tell someone they have something to hide or their house is out of order unless I know them or something about them and have a reason to take that position. You and I have never met.

Tiger on the other hand is a public figure. He lied and cheated and admitted doing so. I take exception to him playing a game that is known for it's high degree of integrity. Where you do not have a referee or an umpire calling the fouls. It is a game played on the honor system. He stated in his news statement today that he "didn't think he did anything wrong at the time". I hope he didn't apply the same logic to golf. I do not support him returning to the game. My choice.

[GMONEY]

There is a significant point you are all missing. Golf is a game of honesty and integrity. It is a game where players are required to call a foul on themselves that only they see. It is a game that if played correctly requires a great deal of ethics. I value that part of the game and believe it is what separates golf from many of the other sports. Tiger was a great golfer. He violated that trust that you have to have to play golf. He will no longer have my respect and I will not support him or his sponsors in the future.

Life is all about honesty and integrity, dont have to be in a sport for that to be a requirement in life.. But at the same time it is also about taking responsibility for your actions. I think that was taken care of today. But I am sure such reputable publications like the National Enquirer will find way to manipulate that who deal today. Can see it right now on the cover along side the other monster story, Big Foot inpregnated by the abominable snowman. Wow....

[redwitch]

I know l2rd personally. We are, consistently, on the opposite side of the political spectrum. He's a nice guy. He's an honorable man. From what I have seen of him and his wife, they have a house that is well in order. I think the personal attacks on him have gone way too far. It is okay to disagree with him, but to directly attack him or anyone for that matter that you don't know because they say something you don't like even though it is not directed toward you is a line that should never be crossed. cashman crosses this line consistently. taller trees has in the political forum, so I guess it is no surprise s/he does it here. As to l2rd, he has a right to his opinion, no matter how misguided it is. :icon_wink:

Personally, I could not imagine Tiger ever cheating on the golf course -- even if he were the only person on the course. That is something that has been ingrained in him from brith. Military brats really and truly are taught a pretty high moral ground. Do we stray from it? Yup, but not in the honor department. As strange as it sounds, cheating on your wife is not considered dishonorable to many (immoral, maybe, but not dishonorable). Lying about it is actually the "right" thing to do to keep from embarassing your wife. Sadly, I've seen this mentality many times both as a child and as an adult, especially with those in uniform.

So, while I may not like what Tiger did, I don't think it takes away from his integrity on the golf course.

Golf is not my game, never has been, never will be. Even so, he's a great talent and that should not be denigrated nor denied. Be mad at him. Be disappointed. Refuse to watch him or support his sponsors. That is your choice. Me, I'll buy his sponsors' products if they fit my needs and my budget. I'll change the channel when he's playing but only because I don't like golf -- I'd rather watch grass grow.

And I will now try to sit on my fingers when it comes to Tiger.

[GMONEY]

I know l2rd personally. We are, consistently, on the opposite side of the political spectrum. He's a nice guy. He's an honorable man. From what I have seen of him and his wife, they have a house that is well in order. I think the personal attacks on him have gone way too far. It is okay to disagree with him, but to directly attack him or anyone for that matter that you don't know because they say something you don't like even though it is not directed toward you is a line that should never be crossed. cashman crosses this line consistently. taller trees has in the political forum, so I guess it is no surprise s/he does it here. As to l2rd, he has a right to his opinion, no matter how misguided it is. :icon_wink:

Personally, I could not imagine Tiger ever cheating on the golf course -- even if he were the only person on the course. That is something that has been ingrained in him from brith. Military brats really and truly are taught a pretty high moral ground. Do we stray from it? Yup, but not in the honor department. As strange as it sounds, cheating on your wife is not considered dishonorable to many (immoral, maybe, but not dishonorable). Lying about it is actually the "right" thing to do to keep from embarassing your wife. Sadly, I've seen this mentality many times both as a child and as an adult, especially with those in uniform.

So, while I may not like what Tiger did, I don't think it takes away from his integrity on the golf course.

Golf is not my game, never has been, never will be. Even so, he's a great talent and that should not be denigrated nor denied. Be mad at him. Be disappointed. Refuse to watch him or support his sponsors. That is your choice. Me, I'll buy his sponsors' products if they fit my needs and my budget. I'll change the channel when he's playing but only because I don't like golf -- I'd rather watch grass grow.

And I will now try to sit on my fingers when it comes to Tiger.



Agree!! well put

[graciegirl]

I know l2rd personally. We are, consistently, on the opposite side of the political spectrum. He's a nice guy. He's an honorable man. From what I have seen of him and his wife, they have a house that is well in order. I think the personal attacks on him have gone way too far. It is okay to disagree with him, but to directly attack him or anyone for that matter that you don't know because they say something you don't like even though it is not directed toward you is a line that should never be crossed. cashman crosses this line consistently. taller trees has in the political forum, so I guess it is no surprise s/he does it here. As to l2rd, he has a right to his opinion, no matter how misguided it is. :icon_wink:

Personally, I could not imagine Tiger ever cheating on the golf course -- even if he were the only person on the course. That is something that has been ingrained in him from brith. Military brats really and truly are taught a pretty high moral ground. Do we stray from it? Yup, but not in the honor department. As strange as it sounds, cheating on your wife is not considered dishonorable to many (immoral, maybe, but not dishonorable). Lying about it is actually the "right" thing to do to keep from embarassing your wife. Sadly, I've seen this mentality many times both as a child and as an adult, especially with those in uniform.

So, while I may not like what Tiger did, I don't think it takes away from his integrity on the golf course.

Golf is not my game, never has been, never will be. Even so, he's a great talent and that should not be denigrated nor denied. Be mad at him. Be disappointed. Refuse to watch him or support his sponsors. That is your choice. Me, I'll buy his sponsors' products if they fit my needs and my budget. I'll change the channel when he's playing but only because I don't like golf -- I'd rather watch grass grow.

And I will now try to sit on my fingers when it comes to Tiger.

Honestly Red, you have a wonderful way with words and great ability to present your ideas fairly. You should be a teacher! (Bet you are an English major!!) Well said Girl!

[dgammon6]

I would rather watch Susanne Peterson play.

[Russ_Boston]

I would rather watch Susanne Peterson play.
I can only assume that you mean for the scenery:)

[Pturner]

I know l2rd personally. We are, consistently, on the opposite side of the political spectrum. He's a nice guy. He's an honorable man. From what I have seen of him and his wife, they have a house that is well in order. I think the personal attacks on him have gone way too far. It is okay to disagree with him, but to directly attack him or anyone for that matter that you don't know because they say something you don't like even though it is not directed toward you is a line that should never be crossed. cashman crosses this line consistently. taller trees has in the political forum, so I guess it is no surprise s/he does it here. As to l2rd, he has a right to his opinion, no matter how misguided it is. :icon_wink:

Personally, I could not imagine Tiger ever cheating on the golf course -- even if he were the only person on the course. That is something that has been ingrained in him from brith. Military brats really and truly are taught a pretty high moral ground. Do we stray from it? Yup, but not in the honor department. As strange as it sounds, cheating on your wife is not considered dishonorable to many (immoral, maybe, but not dishonorable). Lying about it is actually the "right" thing to do to keep from embarassing your wife. Sadly, I've seen this mentality many times both as a child and as an adult, especially with those in uniform.

So, while I may not like what Tiger did, I don't think it takes away from his integrity on the golf course.

Golf is not my game, never has been, never will be. Even so, he's a great talent and that should not be denigrated nor denied. Be mad at him. Be disappointed. Refuse to watch him or support his sponsors. That is your choice. Me, I'll buy his sponsors' products if they fit my needs and my budget. I'll change the channel when he's playing but only because I don't like golf -- I'd rather watch grass grow.

And I will now try to sit on my fingers when it comes to Tiger.


Wise and Wonderful! I love you, Red.