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Guest
02-27-2010, 03:21 PM
It amazes me that there is a roaring debate about extending health care to 30,000,000 Americans, give or take on whose numbers you believe, or is that inhabitants of the United States. Forget the contrived emotional issues that tug at heartstrings and guilt trips. Now is the WORST possible moment in history to pursue a noble gesture to expand health care coverage. As a nation, we need to survive the economic crisis before we take on unprecedented lifetime entitlements. The current timing defies all logic and common sense.

Helloooo......America is in the middle of the worst economic crisis in its history. Yes....even worse than the great depression. Have you looked at the national and state deficits lately? Have you noticed the national debt numbers? We keep printing money....no not money....soon to be worthless paper with nothing to back it. Our borrowing from other nations just recently caused Secretary of State Clinton to state it is a national security risk.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2511749320100225

Have any advocates considered what the cost implications of such a grand, noble plan given today's economic crisis might be?

Assess the fiscal impact considering:

* contrived unemployment numbers that are acknowledged to be close to 10% but with copious credible documentation that it is closer to 20%

* declines in corporate profits that interprets into fewer tax dollars while artificially holding the bottom line by huge reductions in staff to make them still look profitable to a fickle stock market

* dangerous and disastrous deficits at the Federal, State and Local levels

* a national debt that can never ever be paid off without even more disastrous runaway inflation

* a commercial real estate bubble that every expert says is about to burst

* job killing real tax increases and stealth tax increases that will cripple business and industry growth and job creation

*social security rapidly going insolvent

*medicare funding that has just about run out

This is not intended to be a comprehensive list of the economic gloom and doom....just a few hip shots off the top of my head. Feel free to add your own....

Now to the point. It is sheer, unadulterated lunacy, misfeasance, and malfeasance to try to add 30,000,000, give or take, depending on whose numbers you use, uninsured people to the already insolvent public dole entitlement rolls. Who in their right mind would add trillions more to debt we cannot pay? Who would deliberately drive America into bankruptcy and insolvency? Ask those that support the health care plan that will be pushed through the legislature at Obama's urging. Several cost neutral options discussed on this site and at the "Summit" should be considered as economically viable and prudent.

Only a self absorbed, egotistic narcissist who places self interest and left wing ideology above patriotism and country, would pursue such an outrageously illogical course of action at this time. Then again, according to the leftist Cloward/Piven strategy, in order to change American democracy as our generation has known it, requires sabotaging and destroying government entitlements so it, the government, can step in and assume absolute power.

Sound familiar?

Google Cloward/Piven Theory

Guest
02-27-2010, 03:35 PM
It amazes me that there is a roaring debate about extending health care to 30,000,000 Americans, give or take on whose numbers you believe, or is that inhabitants of the United States. Forget the contrived emotional issues that tug at heartstrings and guilt trips. Now is the WORST possible moment in history to pursue a noble gesture to expand health care coverage. As a nation, we need to survive the economic crisis before we take on unprecedented lifetime entitlements. The current timing defies all logic and common sense.

Helloooo......America is in the middle of the worst economic crisis in its history. Yes....even worse than the great depression. Have you looked at the national and state deficits lately? Have you noticed the national debt numbers? We keep printing money....no not money....soon to be worthless paper with nothing to back it. Our borrowing from other nations just recently caused Secretary of State Clinton to state it is a national security risk.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2511749320100225

Have any advocates considered what the cost implications of such a grand, noble plan given today's economic crisis might be?

Assess the fiscal impact considering:

* contrived unemployment numbers that are acknowledged to be close to 10% but with copious credible documentation that it is closer to 20%

* declines in corporate profits that interprets into fewer tax dollars while artificially holding the bottom line by huge reductions in staff to make them still look profitable to a fickle stock market

* dangerous and disastrous deficits at the Federal, State and Local levels

* a national debt that can never ever be paid off without even more disastrous runaway inflation

* a commercial real estate bubble that every expert says is about to burst

* job killing real tax increases and stealth tax increases that will cripple business and industry growth and job creation

*social security rapidly going insolvent

*medicare funding that has just about run out

This is not intended to be a comprehensive list of the economic gloom and doom....just a few hip shots off the top of my head. Feel free to add your own....

Now to the point. It is sheer, unadulterated lunacy, misfeasance, and malfeasance to try to add 30,000,000, give or take, depending on whose numbers you use, uninsured people to the already insolvent public dole entitlement rolls. Who in their right mind would add trillions more to debt we cannot pay? Who would deliberately drive America into bankruptcy and insolvency? Obama, Reid and Pelosi Ask those that support the health care plan that will be pushed through the legislature at Obama's urging. Several cost neutral options discussed on this site and at the "Summit" should be considered as economically viable and prudent.

Only a self absorbed, egotistic narcissist who places self interest and left wing ideology above patriotism and country, would pursue such an outrageously illogical course of action at this time. Then again, according to the leftist Cloward/Piven strategy, in order to change American democracy as our generation has known it, requires sabotaging and destroying government entitlements so it, the government, can step in and assume absolute power.

Sound familiar?

Google Cloward/Piven TheoryObama, Reid and Pelosi

Guest
02-27-2010, 07:24 PM
They continue to pursue that which is, by a wide margin so wide they would all like to win by, that the American people do not want this bill. YET....they march on.

How responsible is it when the POTUS tells his anecdotal stories like, I talked to one family the other day and...........

The man has now made Jimmy Carter look like a good POTUS.

Re-elct NO ONE in 2010 & 2012......as was said in another post....elect a conservative whether dem or repub who ever they may be.

btk

Guest
02-27-2010, 11:42 PM
Although they may have the most honorable intentions and think they are acting for the good of the world, they are in my opinion "Domestic Enemies of the United States Constitution." Our constitution is what has set us apart and above the rest of the world in our freedoms, surceases and charity.

They think it is old and outdated and needs to be changed. They are fools.

God Bless America

Yoda

Guest
02-28-2010, 02:12 PM
I think they'd have a better shot at selling their package if they said "We're no longer going to subsidize the world, paying more than EVERYONE and getting less than most - with the money saved, we will cover those we can".

I think this is what gets lost in the partisan bickering. We pay not just more, but the MOST - and we can't cover everyone.

Guest
03-01-2010, 08:43 AM
when she openly advises all to back Obamacare even at the risk of jeopardizing their careers!!!!!!!!!!!!
Per one of my earlier posts, just what does that convey to the American people that are in land slide majority....against what is being proposed.
And Obama who promised that kind of politics would nor happen on his watch...political BS like the sun coming up in the morning.

They have decided they are going to lose the elections so full speed ahead and give America something to remind them who did it.

The woman is the epitime' of all that is wrong with Washington....all for me/us and screw the "little" people.

btk