Villager charged with Aggravated Assault Displaying Handgun

[Bogie Shooter]

Daily Sun Nov.17,2018
He had a verbal altercation with a neighbor over a dog running loose. During the argument he lifted his shirt to display the handgun, several witnesses saw it happen.
Arrested and charged out on $2000 bail.

Just wondering why one would arm themselves when talking to a neighbor about their dog.
So glad I do not a have neighbor like this guy. ( or should I buy a gun, just in case?)

[BK001]

Daily Sun Nov.17,2018
He had a verbal altercation with a neighbor over a dog running loose. During the argument he lifted his shirt to display the handgun, several witnesses saw it happen.
Arrested and charged out on $2000 bail.

Just wondering why one would arm themselves when talking to a neighbor about their dog.
So glad I do not a have neighbor like this guy. ( or should I buy a gun, just in case?)


Wow, can only imagine what would have happened if the dog had p -- oh never mind.

[graciegirl]

I have never had a conversation with anyone carrying a gun.

That I know of.

I am a big supporter of all rights in Constitution but have not lived in a place I needed to carry a gun.

Yet.

[Bjeanj]

Question: say you have a gun permit and you carry the gun in a holster in plain view. If you have a disagreement with someone, that’s ok, right? I am asking because I don’t know the answer. I’m not trying to make a point about anything.

[papasetti82]

It's called-- Concealed Weapons Permit

[Kenswing]

Question: say you have a gun permit and you carry the gun in a holster in plain view. If you have a disagreement with someone, that’s ok, right? I am asking because I don’t know the answer. I’m not trying to make a point about anything.
Florida is not on "Open Carry" State..

Chapter 790 Section 053 - 2013 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate (http://flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2013/790.053)

[manaboutown]

Aggravated Assault- Florida | Definition, Penalties, Defenses (http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/violent-crimes/aggravated-assault/)

[Skip’dabeat]

The problem is brandishing a weapon, not having a weapon. Self defense is a constitutional right, but only to be used in situations where your life is threatened, not when your neighbors dog is bothering you.


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[Taltarzac725]

The problem is brandishing a weapon, not having a weapon. Self defense is a constitutional right, but only to be used in situations where your life is threatened, not when your neighbors dog is bothering you.


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I recall working a concession stand as a cashier/cook/etc. back in the late 1970s and my boss was talking to a cop just behind the shop while they watched a softball game at Idlewild Park in Reno, Nevada. The cops and/or fire station people sometimes had softball teams.

Anyway, up walks a guy and his orders something and makes some comment about getting change while opening his shirt up. There was a pistol in his waist band. I thought about what he meant about him getting his change so I just gave him his exact change. I did not think anyone would be so stupid as to rob a concession stand with a team of softball players around some of whom were cops. I watched the guy walk off with the exact change I just gave him and asked the cop behind the concession stand if that was an plains clothes cop that inadvertently showed me his pistol. The cop said no, made a call, and the hunt was on for the guy with the pistol in his waist band. I was never contacted by these cops so I assume that they never pressed charges.

[Bjeanj]

Florida is not on "Open Carry" State..

Chapter 790 Section 053 - 2013 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate (http://flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2013/790.053)

Oh. Thanks.

[BK001]

I have never had a conversation with anyone carrying a gun.



Is this a gun in your pocket or are just happy to see me - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Yqk5dbZug)

[manaboutown]

I have never had a conversation with anyone carrying a gun.

That I know of.

I am a big supporter of all rights in Constitution but have not lived in a place I needed to carry a gun.

Yet.

As a single man since age 52 I have over the years gotten out and about in the evenings in Southern California and elsewhere several times a week. Within a short period of time I met a (medically from a rotator cuff surgery issue) retired LA County Deputy Sheriff about my age with whom I enjoyed hanging out in nightspots where we were going to meet single women. It was a while before I realized it but he carried. The reason he told me was that if he ran into some ex-con whom he had arrested and put in jail he wanted to be able to protect himself. One night I asked him to show me his hand gun which he very carefully did by barely revealing it to me in his waistband which was always covered by a never tucked in loose hanging Hawaiian or other style sport shirt. Over the course of a couple of years he introduced me to many LEOs out and about. Every single one of them was wearing an untucked loose sport shirt and was carrying for the same reasons my friend was.

So...you just never know!

[Trayderjoe]

I recall working a concession stand as a cashier/cook/etc. back in the late 1970s and my boss was talking to a cop just behind the shop while they watched a softball game at Idlewild Park in Reno, Nevada. The cops and/or fire station people sometimes had softball teams.

Anyway, up walks a guy and his orders something and makes some comment about getting change while opening his shirt up. There was a pistol in his waist band. I thought about what he meant about him getting his change so I just gave him his exact change. I did not think anyone would be so stupid as to rob a concession stand with a team of softball players around some of whom were cops. I watched the guy walk off with the exact change I just gave him and asked the cop behind the concession stand if that was an plains clothes cop that inadvertently showed me his pistol. The cop said no, made a call, and the hunt was on for the guy with the pistol in his waist band. I was never contacted by these cops so I assume that they never pressed charges.

Your example is a tough one. You cannot brandish a weapon in Florida, however if the weapon was displayed inadvertently, then the person most likely would not be charged for brandishing (if they possessed a concealed carry permit). It is possible that the person you observed had a permit to carry, but may have gotten a warning to be more careful moving forward. I believe you did the right thing to call law enforcement and let them sort it out.

[Jima64]

Want open carry move to Nevada.

[zmarkp]

31 states allow open carry. i'm surprised florida does not.

[Topspinmo]

Daily Sun Nov.17,2018
He had a verbal altercation with a neighbor over a dog running loose. During the argument he lifted his shirt to display the handgun, several witnesses saw it happen.
Arrested and charged out on $2000 bail.

Just wondering why one would arm themselves when talking to a neighbor about their dog.
So glad I do not a have neighbor like this guy. ( or should I buy a gun, just in case?)

There lot of loose end to this article, as usual form the source? If you read the comments below the article. Supposable the incident occurred inside dog park were dogs are allowed to be off leash???? Either way IMO this wacko should not be carrying a pistol. O wait, the arresting officer took it from him. Now we have to wait see if the judge gives it back or has to give it back if he gets “ good” attorney?

[PaulDenise]

I would say that 1 in 20 men in TV carry. It is far higher than you think.

[Challenger]

I have never had a conversation with anyone carrying a gun.

That I know of.

I am a big supporter of all rights in Constitution but have not lived in a place I needed to carry a gun.

Yet.

I think that you might be very surprised about how many people have concealed carry permits and who actually carry. Most would never display the weapon except in extreme emergency as evidenced by the small number of reported incidents. My bet is that several of the persons who are frequent posters on this site "Carry"

[graciegirl]

I think that you might be very surprised about how many people have concealed carry permits and who actually carry. Most would never display the weapon except in extreme emergency as evidenced by the small number of reported incidents. My bet is that several of the persons who are frequent posters on this site "Carry"

At one time in our neighborhood about half of the people who live here had a license for a gun. I was at first surprised. In the past they had a reason, Federal Agent, retired military, carried business money to bank, They are are/were reasonable and common sense people and I felt protected and safer living here.

[BobnBev]

31 states allow open carry. i'm surprised florida does not.

Got to be one of the stupidest laws going. If a bad guy sees you have a gun, who do you think he/she will shoot first, hence the reason for concealed carry.:popcorn:

[John_W]

Florida population is about 20 million and last time I looked there was 1-1/2 million concealed weapons permits, so that's about every 13 people in Florida. Since TV has such a high percentage of retired military and police, all with good criminal backgrounds being more familiar with guns, I would think it's closer to 1 in 10 in TV. If you have your DD214, proof of military service, you can skip the required classroom course and just go through the other checks when applying.

[Challenger]

At one time in our neighborhood about half of the people who live here had a license for a gun. I was at first surprised. In the past they had a reason, Federal Agent, retired military, carried business money to bank, They are are/were reasonable and common sense people and I felt protected and safer living here.

Your quite right. Our son is an airline pilot. Anyone boarding who legally can carry a gun on board must be reported to the pilot with seat location. He said that many times there may be up to ten or more guns on board: forest rangers , postal inspectors, FBI, Some bank examiners. US Marshalls, Secret Service, and many more.

[gatorbill1]

I have never had a conversation with anyone carrying a gun.

That I know of.

I am a big supporter of all rights in Constitution but have not lived in a place I needed to carry a gun.

Yet.

same feeling here - TV is not a place where a gun is necessary, but we have a lot of paranoid people who think so.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

same feeling here - TV is not a place where a gun is necessary, but we have a lot of paranoid people who think so.

Necessary for what? Do you mean no one in the Villages needs to own a gun because guns are not "necessary". IMO your statement sounds paranoid!

Don

[retiredguy123]

I think that, if you purchase a gun, it is a good idea to get a concealed carry license even if you have no intention to carry the gun. In Florida, it is a very simple process and you get an excellent training couse in gun safety. Suppose you just walk across the street to show your gun to a neighbor? Or, suppose you take your gun to your pool inside a birdcage? Are you still in your house? Make an innocent mistake and you could be arrested and jailed without a concealed carry license. It also provides another picture ID card. Just my opinion.

[skip0358]

I wouldn’t show it to anybody unless they gave me a reason to. Just saying that’s just nuts,

[Topspinmo]

Got to be one of the stupidest laws going. If a bad guy sees you have a gun, who do you think he/she will shoot first, hence the reason for concealed carry.:popcorn:

I agree why would you want to walk with pistol visible, easily grabs and used against you IMO.

[BobnBev]

I agree why would you want to walk with pistol visible, easily grabs and used against you IMO.

They think it makes them look macho, or bad ass. I think it just makes them look like an ass.

[Bogie Shooter]

31 states allow open carry. i'm surprised florida does not.

They think it makes them look macho, or bad ass. I think it just makes them look like an ass.

Makes me wonder why 31 states.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Makes me wonder why 31 states.

It's not 31 states. MOST states have provisions for open carry. Only a handful prohibit it, and even those states have exceptions (no open carry pistols, but long rifles allowed. Or unloaded allowed, loaded not allowed. Or not allowed, except in rural areas that have legislated exemptions, for example).

Florida
Illinois
New York
South Carolina

Are the only states that prohibit open carry. And of those, Illinois is the only state that actually enforces the prohibition on both pistols and long guns/rifles.

[tophcfa]

I think that, if you purchase a gun, it is a good idea to get a concealed carry license even if you have no intention to carry the gun. In Florida, it is a very simple process and you get an excellent training couse in gun safety. Suppose you just walk across the street to show your gun to a neighbor? Or, suppose you take your gun to your pool inside a birdcage? Are you still in your house? Make an innocent mistake and you could be arrested and jailed without a concealed carry license. It also provides another picture ID card. Just my opinion.

Agree with the above post. I have a license to carry a concealed firearm in Massachusetts, but not Florida. Although I have had a license for a long time, I have never carried a firearm in public. I try very hard to never go anywhere where it would be necessary. There are only three reasons I ever carry a pistol. When walking the dog in the woods in case we come upon a pack of coyotes, which has happened more than once. When tracking an injured deer, because it is much easier than carrying a long gun. And when going to my neighbors abandoned gravel pit to target shot.

[John_W]

same feeling here - TV is not a place where a gun is necessary, but we have a lot of paranoid people who think so.

Many of the places that have had mass shooting in the past might be considered a place where a gun was not necessary. A movie theater in Denver, Las Vegas at an outdoor concert, a cafeteria in Killeen, TX, a church in San Antonio, a McDonalds in San Diego, a Synagogue in Pittsburgh, a stock trading firm in Atlanta, etc etc not to mention numerous schools where a concealed weapon is prohibited.

Whenever I'm at a place whether in TV, in Orlando or Ocala, and it's area with a large gathering, the mall, the squares, a movie theater, MVP gym, I always try to be aware of my surrounds. A bystander just last month saved several lives when he attacked the shooter at a yoga club in Tallahassee. I don't take any place for granted.

[Serenoa]

same feeling here - TV is not a place where a gun is necessary, but we have a lot of paranoid people who think so.

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[xcaligirl]

You or anyone should never know someone is carrying a gun. A person who has been properly trained (and does hold a concealed carry) would not be flashing a gun. That action is one that is taught very early in a concealed carry class. The training in FL is not exactly strict and was actually scary to me. (permits to carry handed out like candy at Halloween!). One is taught to never draw their gun unless their life is threatened, a dog running in the yard is very far from a threat.

[xcaligirl]

Sad that most of the 'gun free' zones are the first places that are attacked.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Daily Sun Nov.17,2018
He had a verbal altercation with a neighbor over a dog running loose. During the argument he lifted his shirt to display the handgun, several witnesses saw it happen.
Arrested and charged out on $2000 bail.

Just wondering why one would arm themselves when talking to a neighbor about their dog.
So glad I do not a have neighbor like this guy. ( or should I buy a gun, just in case?)

I look at a gun the same way that I look at a seat belt. It's something that you hope you never have to use, but you put it one very day in case an unlikely event happens. If you wear your seatbelt every time you drive your car and you own a gun, you'd be silly not to have it all the time. You never know when you're going to be in a car accident and never know if you're going to have to defend yourself.

So it's not that the guy armed himself because he was going to talk to a neighbor about a dog. He's probably armed at all times.

That being said, unless his life was being threatened, he had no business exposing his gun or threatening his neighbor with it. He should have been arrested and spend some time in jail for that. I would also be in favor of revoking his CC permit.

Owning and carrying a gun comes with a lot of responsibility. This guy showed that he's irresponsible enough to have his right to carry revoked.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I would say that 1 in 20 men in TV carry. It is far higher than you think.

Around 66% of TV residents have concealed carry permits. How many of them have a gun on their person at any particular is up in the air.

Personally, I don't understand why anyone who has a CC permit wouldn't carry a gun at all times.

[Challenger]

I look at a gun the same way that I look at a seat belt. It's something that you hope you never have to use, but you put it one very day in case an unlikely event happens. If you wear your seatbelt every time you drive your car and you own a gun, you'd be silly not to have it all the time. You never know when you're going to be in a car accident and never know if you're going to have to defend yourself.

So it's not that the guy armed himself because he was going to talk to a neighbor about a dog. He's probably armed at all times.

That being said, unless his life was being threatened, he had no business exposing his gun or threatening his neighbor with it. He should have been arrested and spend some time in jail for that. I would also be in favor of revoking his CC permit.

Owning and carrying a gun comes with a lot of responsibility. This guy showed that he's irresponsible enough to have his right to carry revoked.
yes

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Got to be one of the stupidest laws going. If a bad guy sees you have a gun, who do you think he/she will shoot first, hence the reason for concealed carry.:popcorn:

You're not considering that there may be several people openly carrying guns. In that case, the bad guy s probably not going to shoot anyone unless he's interested in committing suicide.

I'm not a big fan of open carry, but for every example, against, there's an argument for.

[gatorbill1]

Necessary for what? Do you mean no one in the Villages needs to own a gun because guns are not "necessary". IMO your statement sounds paranoid!

Don

I have not needed a gun since I got out of service

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

same feeling here - TV is not a place where a gun is necessary, but we have a lot of paranoid people who think so.

So you believe that nothing bad ever happens in TV? I agree it's a pretty safe place, but the need to use a gun can come up anywhere.

You might also consider that TV is such a safe place because so many people are carrying guns. Bad guys know this and are more reluctant to commit crimes here.

Nothing paranoid about being able to protect yourself in a very unlikely event. Do you only where you seat belt when you think that you might get in an accident? Is it paranoid to wear a seatbelt when going to pick up your mail?

[Taltarzac725]

I would probably shoot myself in the foot with a loaded pistol if I carried one around like that. Or somewhere a lot more painful.

We are quite safe here in the Villages for the most part and responsible and trained people have concealed or not concealed weapons on them.

I never carry loaded weapon anywhere unless I am going to use the thing for target practice. But I do always treat it as if it were loaded with live rounds. Never pointing it at any person.

I got shot by a "friend" when I was about 14 with a BB gun in the left pinky. He had been pointing it at my eye and I convinced him to fire at the space between my fingers instead. He missed. I do know what it is like to have a loaded weapon pointed at my face. That is not something you ever forget even if this was just a BB gun. It could have taken my eye out easily.

I abandoned these "friends" not too soon after that as they were very prone to violence against one another and loved guns, knives and bows. Found books and libraries!!!

[Ecuadog]

Around 66% of TV residents have concealed carry permits. ...

I really doubt that.

[gatorbill1]

So you believe that nothing bad ever happens in TV? I agree it's a pretty safe place, but the need to use a gun can come up anywhere.

You might also consider that TV is such a safe place because so many people are carrying guns. Bad guys know this and are more reluctant to commit crimes here.

Nothing paranoid about being able to protect yourself in a very unlikely event. Do you only where you seat belt when you think that you might get in an accident? Is it paranoid to wear a seatbelt when going to pick up your mail?

As I said before, I have not needed a gun to protect myself since I got out of service. If I needed a gun to protect myself, I would live somewhere else.

[ColdNoMore]

I really doubt that.

87.6% of putts that don't make it to the hole...won't go in.


And 91.2% of facts...are just made up.







:D

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I really doubt that.

Nice show of restraint. I think the remark deserves at least a "Poppycock" if not a "Phooey". If that stat is true, I will need look at the little old ladies playing Bunco at Mulberry Grove in a different light.

[John_W]

On post #21 I gave a general percentage of 1 person in 13 in Florida has a permit. To be more exact, as of 2017 there were 1,794,395 issued permits and the Florida population as per the last estimate in 2015 was 20,271,272. Using those numbers I came up with 1 in every 11 residents of Florida has a concealed weapons permits. So that should make it 11%.

TV has a larger percentage of people with clean criminal records, have military backgrounds making them more familiar with weapons and more likely to own and want to carry a weapon. Therefore the 11% is more than likely on the low side in TV.

[dewilson58]

Around 66% of TV residents have concealed carry permits. How many of them have a gun on their person at any particular is up in the air.

Personally, I don't understand why anyone who has a CC permit wouldn't carry a gun at all times.

If I have a cocktail, I do not carry.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

On post #21 I gave a general percentage of 1 person in 13 in Florida has a permit. To be more exact, as of 2017 there were 1,794,395 issued permits and the Florida population as per the last estimate in 2015 was 20,271,272. Using those numbers I came up with 1 in every 11 residents of Florida has a concealed weapons permits. So that should make it 11%.

TV has a larger percentage of people with clean criminal records, have military backgrounds making them more familiar with weapons and more likely to own and want to carry a weapon. Therefore the 11% is more than likely on the low side in TV.

Only 6% of Sumter County residents have CCW permits. Lake County...12.5% and Marion...10%. Since most Villagers live in Sumter, I would say 11% is on the high side.

[Billyworld]

Open carry in Florida is allowed ONLY within the borders of your "deeded property". There is a attorney in Orlando named John Gutmacher (not sure if spelled correctly) that wrote a book on the firearm laws of Florida that is actually used by law enforcement and judges in Florida. I read it 3 times and it is a priceless book to read if you own a firearm. Everybody I let read it said it had made them feel more confident while carrying. You can easily find it on line.

[anothersteve]

Open carry in Florida is allowed ONLY within the borders of your "deeded property". There is a attorney in Orlando named John Gutmacher (not sure if spelled correctly) that wrote a book on the firearm laws of Florida that is actually used by law enforcement and judges in Florida. I read it 3 times and it is a priceless book to read if you own a firearm. Everybody I let read it said it had made them feel more confident while carrying. You can easily find it on line.

Thanks! What is the book's title?
Steve

[dewilson58]

Thanks! What is the book's title?
Steve

If Billy doesn't answer................go on Amazon. The author's name will come up and the book has 8 editions.

[NoMoSno]

FLORIDA FIREARMS Law, Use & Ownership 9th edition Dec 2018: Jon H. Gutmacher: 9780964195899: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0964195895/?coliid=I1G54AMXDSZVSH&colid=2UOLI9M0N4YWM&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it)
FLORIDA FIREARMS - Law, Use & Ownership | The nations top gun law book - Florida & Federal gun laws explained (https://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/)

[anothersteve]

FLORIDA FIREARMS Law, Use & Ownership 9th edition Dec 2018: Jon H. Gutmacher: 9780964195899: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0964195895/?coliid=I1G54AMXDSZVSH&colid=2UOLI9M0N4YWM&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it)
FLORIDA FIREARMS - Law, Use & Ownership | The nations top gun law book - Florida & Federal gun laws explained (https://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/)

Great, thanks.
Steve