Walkers - PLEASE MOVE OVER

[kcrazorbackfan]

Since my rotator cuff surgery two weeks ago, I’ve been walking about 4 miles a day on my days off from work.

I am amazed at the number of people that won’t move over to the edge of the MMP’s when a cart is coming toward them; do they think they’re invincible? I get completely off the path when a cart is approaching.

With the age and the failing eyesight of a lot of people driving those carts, trust me, you’re not going to win a collision with a golf cart. MOVE OVER.

[Bjeanj]

I don’t agree that walkers need to move over. MMP stands for multi modal path, which would include walkers. If I’m driving my cart and encounter a walker, I signal my lane change, get into the car lane, then move back to the MMP after I pass them. I agree that a collision with one would be deadly, and if I’m walking, I pay attention to make sure that the cart driver sees me. So far, I haven’t needed to jump into the bushes to avoid being hit.

Is that incorrect?

[Henryk]

I don’t agree that walkers need to move over. MMP stands for multi modal path, which would include walkers. If I’m driving my cart and encounter a walker, I signal my lane change, get into the car lane, then move back to the MMP after I pass them. I agree that a collision with one would be deadly, and if I’m walking, I pay attention to make sure that the cart driver sees me. So far, I haven’t needed to jump into the bushes to avoid being hit.

Is that incorrect?

I completely agree. When I see a walker, I immediately slow down to 5 mph and pass when safe. I also wave and smile. 🤗

Thinking further on this, WHY will people not face traffic?

[EdFNJ]

Well, as long as we are at it:

And Carts coming around the completely blind curve at the Stillwater crossing on the MMP to/from LSL in either direction at 20MPH++++++ please slow down. Almost been knocked over multiple times and once had my arm clipped by a mirror. Have to walk in the wet grass to not get killed.

It's not a GOLF CART PATH it a MULTI MODAL PATH.

EDIT: I just saw the 2 previous posts! YES!

[BobnBev]

I don’t agree that walkers need to move over. MMP stands for multi modal path, which would include walkers. If I’m driving my cart and encounter a walker, I signal my lane change, get into the car lane, then move back to the MMP after I pass them. I agree that a collision with one would be deadly, and if I’m walking, I pay attention to make sure that the cart driver sees me. So far, I haven’t needed to jump into the bushes to avoid being hit.

Is that incorrect?

I think you are confusing the MMP with the golf cart and bike lane, which runs along side of a vehicle traffic lane.:ohdear:

[kcrazorbackfan]

I don’t agree that walkers need to move over. MMP stands for multi modal path, which would include walkers. If I’m driving my cart and encounter a walker, I signal my lane change, get into the car lane, then move back to the MMP after I pass them. I agree that a collision with one would be deadly, and if I’m walking, I pay attention to make sure that the cart driver sees me. So far, I haven’t needed to jump into the bushes to avoid being hit.

Is that incorrect?

Really hard to move over when you have that perfect moment when you have a walker and two carts at the same point at the same time. Do what YOU want; I’ve notified too many next of kin because someone made a wrong decision.

[JC419]

I walk just about every day and I always stay as close to the edge of the MMP as possible. I often move onto the grass when I know a cart is coming from both directions. I am often amazed at how fast some carts travel on the paths. We all need to be courteous to each other. Walkers move over & carts slow down!

[Chi-Town]

I walk just about every day and I always stay as close to the edge of the MMP as possible. I often move onto the grass when I know a cart is coming from both directions. I am often amazed at how fast some carts travel on the paths. We all need to be courteous to each other. Walkers move over & carts slow down!Excellent post.

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[tophcfa]

When we go for a walk, we drive our golf cart to one of several places where we enjoy walking where there is no car or golf cart traffic. Problem solved.

[VApeople]

When we go for a walk, we drive our golf cart to one of several places where we enjoy walking where there is no car or golf cart traffic. Problem solved.

Could you please let us know where some of those places are?

Thanks!

[Ooper]

I don’t agree that walkers need to move over. MMP stands for multi modal path, which would include walkers. If I’m driving my cart and encounter a walker, I signal my lane change, get into the car lane, then move back to the MMP after I pass them. I agree that a collision with one would be deadly, and if I’m walking, I pay attention to make sure that the cart driver sees me. So far, I haven’t needed to jump into the bushes to avoid being hit.

Is that incorrect?

If you are driving a car, you shouldn't be on a multi modal path!

[Fraugoofy]

I don’t agree that walkers need to move over. MMP stands for multi modal path, which would include walkers. If I’m driving my cart and encounter a walker, I signal my lane change, get into the car lane, then move back to the MMP after I pass them. I agree that a collision with one would be deadly, and if I’m walking, I pay attention to make sure that the cart driver sees me. So far, I haven’t needed to jump into the bushes to avoid being hit.

Is that incorrect?And if you are the walker and the golf cart driver is not watching out for you??? Hope you are super quick on your feet!

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[Topspinmo]

What about 2 or walking abreast and even over the center line. OK, I understand there are special people and the world revolves around them! The MMP path not wide enough to be walking 3 or 4 abreast talking and not paying attention.

IMO same rules should apply walking on roadway with no sidewalk, single file when traffic approaches and on the edge ready to step off, the grass won’t hurt you expensive none walking shoes.:ho::welcome:

[Topspinmo]

And if you are the walker and the golf cart driver is not watching out for you??? Hope you are super quick on your feet!

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Or have MAC truck stamped on forehead?

[Bay Kid]

I walk with Dad everyday. We stay in the neighborhood which is pretty safe, except 1 road. Then I go play and walk an executive course.

[ColdNoMore]

Walkers on the MMP's SHOULD have just as much right to walk on the pavement (single file, not taking up more than half of the trail width), but all too many carts don't want to slow down to let opposing carts go by before going around the walkers...so stepping off in the grass is simply a prudent act of self-preservation. :ohdear:

Walking facing traffic is obviously the smart thing to do, but there might be an argument made in walking in the same direction, i.e.:...at least then you'll never see what hits you. :D

[Brawnwy123]

[QUOTE=kcrazorbackfan;1601677]Since my rotator cuff surgery two weeks ago, I’ve been walking about 4 miles a day on my days off from work.

Please review the messages here. IT seems to us that there is a real need for some controls on the MMP units. OK< here is this and that opinion. So, how about this?
Each cart owner pays a small fee, the carts have to have a number clearly identifying them. Now, people can call in to report the odd stuff and the rude stuff and the dangerous stuff. We ride bikes. On the roads it is very dangerous. On the paths consider this:
1. We drive very carefully and yield to everyone, everyone.
2. We do not pas a walker if a car is coming, close from ahead
3. We slow down for any an all situations,
4. On a bike, we have good rear view mirrors, we watch, and wen a cart is coming from behind, we slow down, we use the left arm to motion them to pass when it is clear
Many drivers really appreciate this, let us all be considerate and let us all wish for an identity method to report the hot rudders who refuse to grow up and contribute to safety.
Thank you. It would be nice to live in a community where the management is concerned about this item and the dangers.

:bigbow:

[VApeople]

IT seems to us that there is a real need for some controls on the MMP units.

The only answer is to build nice, wide walking paths that do not allow golf carts.

Fenney has them, and based on the plans they are going to build more.

[dewilson58]

If I'm walking or riding a bike, if I'm on a path or on a street............I get over. Entitlement is not going to help my injuries or dead if there is an accident.

Sh^t happens. I'm more comfortable with Stand-my-ground with my six-shooter than I am with larger vehicles around me.

:faint:

[Topspinmo]

The only answer is to build nice, wide walking paths that do not allow golf carts.

Fenney has them, and based on the plans they are going to build more.

Fenney has them cause there no a jointing villages and they have to add extras to get people down there.

[mulligan]

If there are cars there, it is NOT a multimodal path. It is a cart/bike lane. There is a huge difference. Multimodal paths are isolated from the street usually by a fairly wide buffer, and are actually private property.

[thetruth]

There are currently two threads running on the same subject.
Clearly it has been and still is a problem.

I drive a car, drive a golf cart, ride a bike and walk.

Several have posted the laws. Sadly, it is clearly a large reach to trust your life that someone, everyone, around you knows the law and will follow the law.

[VApeople]

The only answer is to build nice, wide walking paths that do not allow golf carts.

Fenney has them, and based on the plans they are going to build more.

Fenney has them cause there no a jointing villages and they have to add extras to get people down there.

It does not matter WHY Fenney, DeSoto, and McClure have these nice walking paths that do not allow golf carts, but they have them, and the plans indicate they plan to build more. Good for them.

[EdFNJ]

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let us all wish for an identity method to report the hot rudders who refuse to grow up and contribute to safety.



Maybe boats shouldn't be on the MMP (hot RUDDERS) but anyway that's the ONE thing I WOULD NOT wish for but not because (in theory) it's not a good idea (it's excellent) but I can't imagine some of the ridiculous reports that would be made! It would drive whoever is in charge insane with a lot of petty crap. :):):)

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I don't understand why walkers feel that they need to walk on the MM paths. They are taking their lives in their hands. Yes, the are called multi modal paths and walkers, runners and bicyclists have every right to use them. But when one of them gets it won't do them a whole of good to say, "I was within my rights". Maybe they'll put that on someone's gravestone.

I also wonder if the Villages may be held liable if an accident occurs. I'm sure that some lawyer is going to come up with the idea that The Villages calling them multi modal paths, instead of golf cart paths, which, IMHO is what they really are, is responsible for the death or injury of someone who was walking on a path.

We have thousands of senior citizens in small vehicles going 20 mph and some faster on these paths. Many of our residents don't see well and some don't have very good co-ordination or reflexes. Couple that with the fact that 14 year old kids without a drivers license are allowed to drive on these paths, and I wouldn't be caught dead walking on them. But I do believe that someone will be caught dead walking on them someday. Maybe they'll yell, "I was within my rights" from the grave.

[EdFNJ]

I don't understand why walkers feel that they need to walk on the MM paths. They are taking their lives in their hands.
That would go for driving a car too. You are many more times likely to get into a car accident than a walking accident on the MMP with a golf cart (not that either one is better than the other). Aside from the fact that is what they are for, we walk 6 miles a day, are we supposed to walk around the block 70 times? Gets boring as does walking a 1 mile walking path 6 times or driving 10 miles to get to a long path (with a greater chance of a car accident). Watching the sunrise, the big birds and the golfers is part of the "life" around here. We can't all hide. A piece of space junk can fall on your head too.

[BobnBev]

Maybe boats shouldn't be on the MMP (hot RUDDERS) but anyway that's the ONE thing I WOULD NOT wish for but not because (in theory) it's not a good idea (it's excellent) but I can't imagine some of the ridiculous reports that would be made! It would drive whoever is in charge insane with a lot of petty crap. :):):)

Each cart owner pays a small fee, the carts have to have a number clearly identifying them. Now, people can call in to report the odd stuff and the rude stuff and the dangerous stuff.

And just who would you report it to, Not the Sheriff, not Community Watch, not the Fire Dept, who else is left?

[BobnBev]

That would go for driving a car too. You are many more times likely to get into a car accident than a walking accident on the MMP with a golf cart (not that either one is better than the other). Aside from the fact that is what they are for, we walk 6 miles a day, are we supposed to walk around the block 70 times? Gets boring as does walking a 1 mile walking path 6 times or driving 10 miles to get to a long path (with a greater chance of a car accident). Watching the sunrise, the big birds and the golfers is part of the "life" around here. We can't all hide. A piece of space junk can fall on your head too.

Ed, CARS do not use the MMP's---follow?:ohdear:

[pauld315]

Could you please let us know where some of those places are?

Thanks!

Polo Grounds, over by the dog park in the historic section, there are a few trails such as the one by Mulberry Rec Center to name a few.

[BobnBev]

Could you please let us know where some of those places are?

Thanks!

LSL, across from that barbeque place. Sonny's

Eisenhower rec center

[GoPacers]

Pedestrians always have the right of way on the MMP's. We all understand the risks to a pedestrian and why it may be prudent to not trust golf cart drivers but that isn't a reason for golf cart drivers to not own their responsibility and pay attention to their surroundings. IF a cart were to hit a pedestrian, the driver of the golf cart better have a good umbrella policy.

[Bjeanj]

For the record, I was in car driving back from Indiana (still am) and my brain was on the fritz (see #2 above). BobnBev is (are?) correct, I was confusing the MMP with the cart lane in the streets.

I’m going to bow out now and not post until I get home.

[billethkid]

Just like we all rely on each other to follow the rules of the road so we get to where we are going safely......most drivers do what is right....some few do not.

The MMP is the same way. I have been walking them for going on 15 years. Most everybody does the responsible thing required when sharing the MMP. Carts slow down, stop, move over, wait where necessary, so it all seems to work well most of the time. And like the automobiles there are a good many that do not share well. And unfortunately there are some who really do believe the MMP is there for them.....but enough about the 2% and the few jerks.

The other 98% of us seem to be able to use the pathways just fine.

Remember the right away is yours to give...NOT TO TAKE!!!!

[wisbad1]

[QUOTE=kcrazorbackfan;1601677]Since my rotator cuff surgery two weeks ago, I’ve been walking about 4 miles a day on my days off from work.

Please review the messages here. IT seems to us that there is a real need for some controls on the MMP units. OK< here is this and that opinion. So, how about this?
Each cart owner pays a small fee, the carts have to have a number clearly identifying them. Now, people can call in to report the odd stuff and the rude stuff and the dangerous stuff. We ride bikes. On the roads it is very dangerous. On the paths consider this:
1. We drive very carefully and yield to everyone, everyone.
2. We do not pas a walker if a car is coming, close from ahead
3. We slow down for any an all situations,
4. On a bike, we have good rear view mirrors, we watch, and wen a cart is coming from behind, we slow down, we use the left arm to motion them to pass when it is clear
Many drivers really appreciate this, let us all be considerate and let us all wish for an identity method to report the hot rudders who refuse to grow up and contribute to safety.
Thank you. It would be nice to live in a community where the management is concerned about this item and the dangers.

:bigbow:
is that going to be anonymous?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just like we all rely on each other to follow the rules of the road so we get to where we are going safely......most drivers do what is right....some few do not.

The MMP is the same way. I have been walking them for going on 15 years. Most everybody does the responsible thing required when sharing the MMP. Carts slow down, stop, move over, wait where necessary, so it all seems to work well most of the time. And like the automobiles there are a good many that do not share well. And unfortunately there are some who really do believe the MMP is there for them.....but enough about the 2% and the few jerks.

The other 98% of us seem to be able to use the pathways just fine.

Remember the right away is yours to give...NOT TO TAKE!!!!

The right of way exists because everyone else is expecting each person involved to take their turn, IN turn. Once someone refuses to take their turn, it messes up the pattern for everyone.

If you have the right of way, take it. Maybe slow down, or speed up, however is most efficient and safe for you to do given the circumstances.

But I can't tell you how many times the entire flow of traffic has been brought to a complete halt, simply because the person who had the right of way, demanded that someone else go first.

[Ooper]

I don't understand why walkers feel that they need to walk on the MM paths.

Where would you have them walk?... on the grass? in the road? Through people's yards? No disrespect... just wondering where you would walk.

[Challenger]

[QUOTE=GoPacers;1601953]Pedestrians always have the right of way on the MMP's. We all understand the risks to a pedestrian and why it may be prudent to not trust golf cart drivers but that isn't a reason for golf cart drivers to not own their responsibility and pay attention to their surroundings. IF a cart were to hit a pedestrian, the driver of the golf cart better have a good umbrella policy.[/QUOTE

"Pedestrians always have the R O W on the MMPs"

Can you cite a reference for this statement?

[VILLAGERBB]

I've created a new group on this site addressing the subject of "Responsible Pedestrian Awareness". Please join the conversation.
Thank you.

[trichard]

i don’t agree that walkers need to move over. Mmp stands for multi modal path, which would include walkers. If i’m driving my cart and encounter a walker, i signal my lane change, get into the car lane, then move back to the mmp after i pass them. I agree that a collision with one would be deadly, and if i’m walking, i pay attention to make sure that the cart driver sees me. So far, i haven’t needed to jump into the bushes to avoid being hit.

Is that incorrect?

agree!

[BobnBev]

agree!

If you can enter the car lane, then you are not on the MPP, can't you understand that?

[dewilson58]

If you can enter the car lane, then you are not on the MPP, can't you understand that?

:faint:

[SteweyGriffin]

There are so many people in TV who are clueless about safety issues, and proper procedures when using recreational paths. Before you use one of the paths, regardless if you are on a cart, bike, running or walking, take some time to understand the law.

[billethkid]

There are so many people in TV who are clueless about safety issues, and proper procedures when using recreational paths. Before you use one of the paths, regardless if you are on a cart, bike, running or walking, take some time to understand the law.

Good suggestion, however would be like trying to get the many, MANY golfers to sand their divots, fix their ball marks or rake the bunkers.

Good luck with that!!!!!

[Topspinmo]

Where would you have them walk?... on the grass? in the road? Through people's yards? No disrespect... just wondering where you would walk.


On the left side for there safety and single file when traffic coming even when only in opposite lane, especially on blind curves Walking two or more abreast.

[VILLAGERBB]

Cars, golfcarts, bicycles and pedestrians....The Perfect Storm!

Cars, golfcarts, bicycles and pedestrians all using the same roadways - The perfect mix for accidents waiting to happen.

[BobnBev]

Cars, golfcarts, bicycles and pedestrians....The Perfect Storm!

Cars, golfcarts, bicycles and pedestrians all using the same roadways - The perfect mix for accidents waiting to happen.

Job security for all of our Emergency Services people. We'd never survive without them. Thank you EMS.:bigbow:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

That would go for driving a car too. You are many more times likely to get into a car accident than a walking accident on the MMP with a golf cart (not that either one is better than the other). Aside from the fact that is what they are for, we walk 6 miles a day, are we supposed to walk around the block 70 times? Gets boring as does walking a 1 mile walking path 6 times or driving 10 miles to get to a long path (with a greater chance of a car accident). Watching the sunrise, the big birds and the golfers is part of the "life" around here. We can't all hide. A piece of space junk can fall on your head too.

Most neighborhoods have many streets that you can walk up and down. The streets are wider and have enough room off to the sides so that cars can pass walkers. Especially if you're walking against the traffic. I doubt that walking on 20 mph streets within the neighborhoods is more dangerous than walking on narrow cart paths where two golf carts barely fit.

Boring? Walking for the sake of exercise is pretty boring to begin with. Walk wherever you want. I'm just saying that you're taking your life in your hands walking on the cart paths.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If there are cars there, it is NOT a multimodal path. It is a cart/bike lane. There is a huge difference. Multimodal paths are isolated from the street usually by a fairly wide buffer, and are actually private property.

And I see people walking in these Cart/Bike lanes as well. That's even more dangerous than the MMPs.

Like I said, you may have the right to walk in these places, but that's not going to do anyone any good when they are lying in a hospital room or worse, a grave.

Walk where you want, but an accident is going to happen. Just pray that it's not to you.

[EdFNJ]

Most neighborhoods have many streets that you can walk up and down. The streets are wider and have enough room off to the sides so that cars can pass walkers. Especially if you're walking against the traffic. I doubt that walking on 20 mph streets within the neighborhoods is more dangerous than walking on narrow cart paths where two golf carts barely fit.

Boring? Walking for the sake of exercise is pretty boring to begin with. Walk wherever you want. I'm just saying that you're taking your life in your hands walking on the cart paths.
"Taking your life in your hands." Isn't that a bit overblown? Accidents happen everywhere but there haven't been too many on an MMP. Not boring at all unless I have to just walk around my (or anyone's) neighborhood. There are less boring more "visually pleasing" walks to take like on the MMP's by a golf course or by a lake on an MMP. I didn't move down here to be impressed by neighbors front yards and garbage bags out on their garbage day. The "pleasant environment" is part of what I paid for. If I am supposed to avoid of walking where I am permitted to on a MMP there is something terribly wrong. A piece of space junk can fall on your head around your block (which would be my luck).