A Radio Station has stopped playing "Baby It's Cold Outside" because of "Me too" .

[graciegirl]

youtube. baby it's cold outside - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube.+baby+it%27s+cold+outside&view=detail&mid=32AE5498B5A58F88FF0232AE5498B5A58F88FF02&FORM=VIRE)

Dean Martin Martina McBride Duet - Bing
video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dean+Martin+Martina+McBride+Duet&&view=detail&mid=FDD3107FA0A0AC9AD996FDD3107FA0A0AC9AD996&&FORM=VDRVRV)
Dean Martin Martina McBride Duet - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dean+Martin+Martina+McBride+Duet&&view=detail&mid=EA88E133EBC35AE119F0EA88E133EBC35AE119F0&&FORM=VDRVRV)


I have always loved this song, thinking it romantic and the interchange between two people who were attracted to each other.

What say you?

[Bogie Shooter]

What station? Where? Why, little more info.

[graciegirl]

What station? Where? Why, little more info.

Reported by USA Today;

'Baby It's Cold Outside' cut from Cleveland radio station after #MeToo (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2018/11/30/baby-its-cold-outside-cut-cleveland-radio-station-after-metoo/2160122002/)

[Taltarzac725]

"Baby It's Cold Outside" lyrics in #MeToo era: Cleveland radio station Star 102 stops playing popular Christmas song after listeners voice concerns about meaning in the "Me Too" era - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cleveland-radio-station-stops-playing-baby-its-cold-outside-after-listeners-voiced-concerns-about-predatory-undertones/)

I can see their point of view. I mean of people in the Me Too movement.

How would I explain those lyrics to my twenty something and younger grand niece and nieces?

Think the conversation about this is more important though than just pulling the song because it has questionable lyrics written in the 1940s which did not have any such connotations back then.

I would rather have the dialog going than just silence it.

[manaboutown]

PC run wild, again!

They are after Rudolph and Santa as well

[Chi-Town]

One local radio station in Cleveland. But I've heard the grumbling elsewhere. C'mon, it's a tongue in cheek winter tune classic. Listen while reading the lyrics....

Baby it's Cold Outside lyrics - YouTube (https://youtu.be/2Rhvtzzmq-Y)



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[rustyp]

Two sides to every coin. Who is really calling the attention in this situation - the radio station (media) or MeToo movement ?

Tim McGraw - Back When. W/ Lyrics - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPGvKwggtl0)

[Taltarzac725]

Idina Menzel & Michael Buble - Baby It's Cold Outside - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bbuBubZ1yE)

Here is an more up-to-date version.

[fw102807]

So "Baby it's Cold Outside" needs to be banned but RAP music with obscene lyrics that promote crime are fine?

[Taltarzac725]

So "Baby it's Cold Outside" needs to be banned but RAP music with obscene lyrics that promote crime are fine?

That is a good point. This is one radio station that pulled it.

I do think it needs to me discussed about why some women would be offended by these lyrics.

RAP music is often about the experiences of inner city minorities and their dealing with the police and the like.

Cannot say I can relate to their experiences but do value their First Amendment rights to have the government not quiet their free speech.

I did live one summer in a neighborhood in downtown Minneapolis where they had drug deals in the park across the street and I would hear gun shots every so often from that park. I kept off the street after 7:00 PM if not earlier. Most of the people who lived there were African American or Lakota who had left their reservation.

RAP music often appeals to the people who live in these tough neighborhoods.

[manaboutown]

So "Baby it's Cold Outside" needs to be banned but RAP music with obscene lyrics that promote crime are fine?

BINGO!!!:boom::boom::boom:

[fw102807]

That is a good point. This is one radio station that pulled it.

I do think it needs to me discussed about why some women would be offended by these lyrics.

RAP music is often about the experiences of inner city minorities and their dealing with the police and the like.

Cannot say I can relate to their experiences but do value their First Amendment rights to have the government not quiet their free speech.

I did live one summer in a neighborhood in downtown Minneapolis where they had drug deals in the park across the street and I would hear gun shots every soon often from that park. I kept off the street after 7:00 PM if not earlier.

So the first amendment only applies to some and only certain people have a right to be offended?

[Taltarzac725]

So the first amendment only applies to some and only certain people have a right to be offended?

A private radio station can pull any song their management or owners want. Some of these private radio stations cater to people who can relate to RAP music.

The First Amendment does not apply to private individuals or corporations banning speech. It is the government banning speech which is the subject of the First Amendment.

I do not remember ever hearing a RAP song on a Villages' radio station, for instance. There would not be much of a demand for one. Now RAP probably plays a lot in certain sections of NYC, Chicago, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, etc.

[rustyp]

One local radio station in Cleveland. But I've heard the grumbling elsewhere. C'mon, it's a tongue in cheek winter tune classic. Listen while reading the lyrics....

Baby it's Cold Outside lyrics - YouTube (https://youtu.be/2Rhvtzzmq-Y)



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Thanks for posting. I have always liked this song. My interpretation studying this video is the girl wants to stay but is worried about what others may say. Likewise the man is saying I would like you to stay. I did not interpret any arm twisting, violence, etc. In fact I think it's rather romantic song between two adults. Am I missing something ?

Why on this earth would the MeeToo movement pick this song when there are countless other tasteless songs to latch on to. RAP has it's dark side in this arena. But actually the first song that came to my mind as over the line when reading this is a Rod Stewart song Tonight's The Night.

[fw102807]

A private radio station can pull any song their management or owners want. Some of these private radio stations cater to people who can relate to RAP music.

The First Amendment does not apply to private individuals or corporations banning speech. It is the government banning speech which is the subject of the First Amendment.

I do not remember ever hearing a RAP song on a Villages' radio station, for instance. There would not be much of a demand for one. Now RAP probably plays a lot in certain sections of NYC, Chicago, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, etc.

Regardless, the point is that taking a movement like The Me Too Movement, which I think is very valuable, to this extreme is just ridiculous and takes away from the importance of the message.

[Taltarzac725]

Regardless, the point is that taking a movement like The Me Too Movement, which I think is very valuable, to this extreme is just ridiculous and takes away from the importance of the message.

There are always petty people in every movement, unfortunately, who cannot seem to see the forest from the trees.

It would more important to hear the song and get while some people are upset with it rather than just banning it.

[Bucco]

My opinion...total over reaction to nothing.

This stuff happens...is it stupid...yeah, but I am old enough to recall the condemnation of my generation because Elvis twisted his hips.

With our world, why these stories are made into something of note, and made to be a victim of "political correctness"

Saw a tv station cover this story, complete with guests, as part of an hourlong show.

As they say on ESPN at times......"come on man".

If this offends you. Then you are not paying attention.

[eweissenbach]

IMHO, taking a cause to this extreme tends to marginalize your movement. It gives people who are generally opposed to your ideals the opportunity to openly, and fairly criticize you, and thus mock your intentions. Stick to what is really important and justifiably immoral and let trivial stuff like this pass.

[justjim]

So "Baby it's Cold Outside" needs to be banned but RAP music with obscene lyrics that promote crime are fine?

I like your thinking...

[Bucco]

ONE....ONE radio station does this and you are speaking of movements ?

Does anyone hear the real news. ?

No over reaction here.

[Chi-Town]

Red Skelton's take from 1949.......

Baby It's Cold Outside - Betty Garrett and Red Skelton (from "Neptune's Daughter") - YouTube (https://youtu.be/xpDLpz88V-I)

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[Taltarzac725]

IMHO, taking a cause to this extreme tends to marginalize your movement. It gives people who are generally opposed to your ideals the opportunity to openly, and fairly criticize you, and thus mock your intentions. Stick to what is really important and justifiably immoral and let trivial stuff like this pass.

Nicely stated.

[fw102807]

My opinion...total over reaction to nothing.

This stuff happens...is it stupid...yeah, but I am old enough to recall the condemnation of my generation because Elvis twisted his hips.

With our world, why these stories are made into something of note, and made to be a victim of "political correctness"

Saw a tv station cover this story, complete with guests, as part of an hourlong show.

As they say on ESPN at times......"come on man".

If this offends you. Then you are not paying attention.

But where does it end? They took down all of the confederate monuments, renamed anything that related to the Native Americans and now they are taking issue with Rudolph and Christmas Carols. Is this really helping people to get along better or furthering the discord?

[Taltarzac725]

But where does it end? They took down all of the confederate monuments, renamed anything that related to the Native Americans and now they are taking issue with Rudolph and Christmas Carols. Is this really helping people to get along better or furthering the discord?

Just some people with NOTHING better to do.

[fw102807]

Just some people with NOTHING better to do.

:1rotfl::1rotfl: You are cross threading Tal but NOTHING but correct

[Bucco]

But where does it end? They took down all of the confederate monuments, renamed anything that related to the Native Americans and now they are taking issue with Rudolph and Christmas Carols. Is this really helping people to get along better or furthering the discord?

This is ONE SINGLE RADIO STATION...ONE and one only because they got calls.

Do you sincerely call that a movement ?

I do not know who "they" is you refer to, but rest assured, I am aware the world has changed, and I intend to live my life to the fullest, as alway with never giving into dishonesty and hate.

That's me...if this stuff bothers you and our rhetoric in our country does not, then you and I are totally different people.

[Taltarzac725]

:1rotfl::1rotfl: You are cross threading Tal but NOTHING but correct

That I was cross threading but have not brought up the lobster just yet. Oops. NOTHING but funny.

It is only one radio station though.

[eweissenbach]

This is ONE SINGLE RADIO STATION...ONE and one only because they got calls.

Do you sincerely call that a movement ?



You are right Bucco, one station is not a movement, however it got picked up by the national press and that makes it a symbol of the "movement". It therefore becomes symbolic of the aims of the movement and gives critics of the movement an opportunity to justifiably mock the movement itself. I support the MeToo movement to the extent it demands that people be aware of sexual misconduct and exposes legitimate cases of that misconduct. My point is that trivial things like this get publicity and give fuel to people who would be inclined to mock the movement.

[fw102807]

This is ONE SINGLE RADIO STATION...ONE and one only because they got calls.

Do you sincerely call that a movement ?

I do not know who "they" is you refer to, but rest assured, I am aware the world has changed, and I intend to live my life to the fullest, as alway with never giving into dishonesty and hate.

That's me...if this stuff bothers you and our rhetoric in our country does not, then you and I are totally different people.

It totally bothers me. I just think that taking down statues and renaming things and banning songs is hurting more than helping. It just makes people angry. The problem is people and the solution needs to be people.

[Bucco]

It totally bothers me. I just think that taking down statues and renaming things and banning songs is hurting more than helping. It just makes people angry. The problem is people and the solution needs to be people.

Things bother me as well. Personal preferences do not...it is a free country.

Can't go much further...I get offended when lied to...THAT bothers me. I get offended when people are hurt, especially when it's done with intent to hurt, whether verbally or not, because I believe words matter. I hate being misled....I hate when people are labeled...

Those are some things that bother me, more than a small group of people calling a radio station and one station playing along. Only a minority make these "side issues" to be news. As I said, more shocking to me was a network giving so much time to ONE radio station decision.

We seem to be narrow in our scope of things, while ignoring what really counts.

I know I am in the minority, but what I learned when young, had solidified as I matured, those moral attributes remain more important to me.

You are correct that PEOPLE are the answer....People can either reinforce bad action by remaining silent and accepting ,or they can speak up. BUT, priorities are important

[graciegirl]

You are right Bucco, one station is not a movement, however it got picked up by the national press and that makes it a symbol of the "movement". It therefore becomes symbolic of the aims of the movement and gives critics of the movement an opportunity to justifiably mock the movement itself. I support the MeToo movement to the extent it demands that people be aware of sexual misconduct and exposes legitimate cases of that misconduct. My point is that trivial things like this get publicity and give fuel to people who would be inclined to mock the movement.

Very well said.

[Bucco]

You are right Bucco, one station is not a movement, however it got picked up by the national press and that makes it a symbol of the "movement". It therefore becomes symbolic of the aims of the movement and gives critics of the movement an opportunity to justifiably mock the movement itself. I support the MeToo movement to the extent it demands that people be aware of sexual misconduct and exposes legitimate cases of that misconduct. My point is that trivial things like this get publicity and give fuel to people who would be inclined to mock the movement.

Yet, here we are...a thread started and over 30 responses. A network devoted over half of their prime time, and those who chose not to deem it important labeled as phoneys

[fw102807]

We seem to be narrow in our scope of things, while ignoring what really counts.


This is exactly the point I was trying to make. If you want to change things start trying to help those in need and spread kindness. People need to change for the culture to change.

[Bucco]

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. If you want to change things start trying to help those in need and spread kindness. People need to change for the culture to change.

Then we agree.

Seems a lot of attention to a single radio station on here and on selected networks, yet we ignore, tolerate, and actually endorse hate daily, and are called out if we object.

[manaboutown]

I hope they don't next stop playing 'Frosty the Snowman'! WALSH: The Racist, Sexist, And Transphobic Undertones Of 'Frosty The Snowman' | Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/38896/walsh-racist-sexist-and-transphobic-undertones-matt-walsh?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fedup)

[Bucco]

I hope they don't next stop playing 'Frosty the Snowman'! WALSH: The Racist, Sexist, And Transphobic Undertones Of 'Frosty The Snowman' | Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/38896/walsh-racist-sexist-and-transphobic-undertones-matt-walsh?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fedup)

I am betting every extreme right or left website is discussing this crap rather than....

Fw102807 said we need kindness, yet we populate these extreme sites that print and publish hate on the right and left, and as this thread and other manifestations show....."we" seem to want that type of rhetoric, while ignoring the factual, and in fact mocking those who attempt to be factual.

[fw102807]

I hope they don't next stop playing 'Frosty the Snowman'! WALSH: The Racist, Sexist, And Transphobic Undertones Of 'Frosty The Snowman' | Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/38896/walsh-racist-sexist-and-transphobic-undertones-matt-walsh?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fedup)

:rolleyes:

Like putting a band aid on your knee when you scraped your elbow...

[dblwyr]

I do not understand why we do not try to explain and understand the meaning of words and expressions based on the time they were used. Isn’t it important to see historical perspective and the context of the times? Then it would be clear that meaning now may be different and treated differently and that is fine. But revisionist history does not lead to understanding of historical events, language or context.

[fw102807]

I do not understand why we do not try to explain and understand the meaning of words and expressions based on the time they were used. Isn’t it important to see historical perspective and the context of the times? Then it would be clear that meaning now may be different and treated differently and that is fine. But revisionist history does not lead to understanding of historical events, language or context.

Because that would make too much sense and the media couldn't create a frenzy over it.

[Bucco]

I do not understand why we do not try to explain and understand the meaning of words and expressions based on the time they were used. Isn’t it important to see historical perspective and the context of the times? Then it would be clear that meaning now may be different and treated differently and that is fine. But revisionist history does not lead to understanding of historical events, language or context.

I always suggest to people to look at the source of this kind of stuff.....NOT the source of the original complaint, etc., but WHO decided to make this a big story, when it is nothing but a nothing blip.

Does anyone think that the stupid interpretation of this song is new ? Or is acting insulted by it simply a ploy to attack somebody else. Always look at sources...extremists now seem to be what people long for, and this is the result of listening to those extremists.

That is my opinion, and I realize how much I am in the minority, on this forum anyway, but until we talk reasonably and honestly, this crap, and it is crap will simply grow, much like a cancer it is.

[Bonnevie]

well, I just reviewed the lyrics and listened to some versions by various singers...and I got to say it's a bit creepy. basically, a man trying to convince a woman to do something she's saying she shouldn't do....well, if an individual station chooses to not play that's their right...

[fw102807]

I always suggest to people to look at the source of this kind of stuff.....NOT the source of the original complaint, etc., but WHO decided to make this a big story, when it is nothing but a nothing blip.

Does anyone think that the stupid interpretation of this song is new ? Or is acting insulted by it simply a ploy to attack somebody else. Always look at sources...extremists now seem to be what people long for, and this is the result of listening to those extremists.

That is my opinion, and I realize how much I am in the minority, on this forum anyway, but until we talk reasonably and honestly, this crap, and it is crap will simply grow, much like a cancer it is.

My interpretation of this post is suggesting meaningful discussion of history and events, why they happened and why they were wrong, rather than just trying to eliminate them which to me is exactly what needs to happen.

[Bucco]

Because that would make too much sense and the media couldn't create a frenzy over it.

You blame THE MEDIA. I saw an entire network "bow" to this story and similar. I saw NOTHING anywhere else, except for it being printed as a daily item in a few papers, a story like others that should simply disappear quickly. And of course on this forum and extremist sites.

We have been so convinced that mainstream media is untruthful, we simply say that. It IS NOT true, in any way shape or form, and as long as the "people" keep being swayed that way and search for whatever "news" attacks who they think should be attacks, we will forever be trying to "revise" history.

[Madelaine Amee]

I know I am in the minority, but what I learned when young, had solidified as I matured, those moral attributes remain more important to me.

I beg to differ. You are not in the minority, there are hundreds and thousands of us out there who think like you - we are the silent majority, unfortunately at this moment in time we are being ignored, but this will change. The pendulum swings in both directions and it is beginning to swing away from the hatefulness of this present time.

I was raised to do the decent thing, whatever the situation. It is ingrained into me to do so. My two sons were raised the same way, and their children are being raised in the same manner ............... and so it goes on.

In the case of "politically correct" movements I am of the opinion that the leaders of these movements are filled with fire and brimstone to change what they see as a wrong. I am a female who has lived through this period and have been able to negotiate it without being too scarred in the process. When things quieten down it all seems to be a bit of a storm in a teacup and is forgotten almost over night.

C'est la vie .............. and in the words of the immortal Dr. Martin Luther King "We Will Overcome".

[ColdNoMore]

ONE....ONE radio station does this and you are speaking of movements ?

Does anyone hear the real news. ?

No over reaction here.

Exactly! :oops:

[rustyp]

well, I just reviewed the lyrics and listened to some versions by various singers...and I got to say it's a bit creepy. basically, a man trying to convince a woman to do something she's saying she shouldn't do....well, if an individual station chooses to not play that's their right...

No where in the song did I see where he blocked the door or restricted her from leaving. As a matter of fact in my mind he adores her, does not ever want her to leave and ultimately marries her. They work hard all their lives. One holiday season realize they can't take the snow anymore and move to The Villages.

If I hadn't said to my bride 45 years ago baby I wish you would stay I probably would have missed the best thing that ever happened to me.

Happy holidays - is that OK to say ?

[ColdNoMore]

It totally bothers me. I just think that taking down statues and renaming things and banning songs is hurting more than helping. It just makes people angry. The problem is people and the solution needs to be people.

Are you aware of the history (that is, when and why)...most of those confederate statues were built and installed?

How The U.S. Got So Many Confederate Monuments - HISTORY (https://www.history.com/news/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confederate-monuments)

“Eventually they started to build [Confederate] monuments,” he says. “The vast majority of them were built between the 1890s and 1950s, which matches up exactly with the era of Jim Crow segregation.”

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s research, the biggest spike was between 1900 and the 1920s.




As for the song in question, while I can see the MeToo's point (of whom I support) regarding it...I don't think this particular song warrants much scrutiny or outrage. :shrug:

[fw102807]

No where in the song did I see where he blocked the door or restricted her from leaving. As a matter of fact in my mind he adores her, does not ever want her to leave and ultimately marries her. They work hard all their lives. One holiday season realize they can't take the snow anymore and move to The Villages.

If I hadn't said to my bride 45 years ago baby I wish you would stay I probably would have missed the best thing that ever happened to me.

Happy holidays - is that OK to say ?

Where is the like button?

[graciegirl]

No where in the song did I see where he blocked the door or restricted her from leaving. As a matter of fact in my mind he adores her, does not ever want her to leave and ultimately marries her. They work hard all their lives. One holiday season realize they can't take the snow anymore and move to The Villages.

If I hadn't said to my bride 45 years ago baby I wish you would stay I probably would have missed the best thing that ever happened to me.

Happy holidays - is that OK to say ?

Very, Very well written. I feel the same way. Good men have always been gentle aggressor's in the mating game, and interested women have always been a bit coy.

[fw102807]

Are you aware of the history (that is, when and why)...most of those confederate statues were built and installed?

How The U.S. Got So Many Confederate Monuments - HISTORY (https://www.history.com/news/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confederate-monuments)



And don't you think that having this kind of discussion about it would be more meaningful than taking them down? People need to discuss these issues and not just sweep them under the rug. This should be the stuff in history curriculums. They were great men who fought for things they thought were right at the time but history has proved them wrong and the statues were put up for the wrong reasons. We need to learn from history or we are bound to repeat it.

[ColdNoMore]

And don't you think that having this kind of discussion about it would be more meaningful than taking them down? People need to discuss these issues and not just sweep them under the rug. This should be the stuff in history curriculums. They were great men who fought for things they thought were right at the time but history has proved them wrong and the statues were put up for the wrong reasons. We need to learn from history or we are bound to repeat it.

I believe it is always worth discussing discrimination/racism/bigotry/misogyny/xenophobia/bullying/attempted intimidation/etc., etc.

I also believe the discussion can be had, without looking at a monument that was solely built...to celebrate them.


:ho:

[Bucco]

No where in the song did I see where he blocked the door or restricted her from leaving. As a matter of fact in my mind he adores her, does not ever want her to leave and ultimately marries her. They work hard all their lives. One holiday season realize they can't take the snow anymore and move to The Villages.

If I hadn't said to my bride 45 years ago baby I wish you would stay I probably would have missed the best thing that ever happened to me.

Happy holidays - is that OK to say ?

Sarcasm noted, and everyone might agree, as I, that your analysis of the song is correct....

However, the OP was clear in naming a movement and discussing the lyrics seems very minor, but then of course, an entire network DID spend hours discussing ONE radio station (of over 15,000 stations) that took drastic action.

I simply wonder about motivation on this, while our country is awash in lies and false personal accusations. It seems that should get our attention first. If we are seeking moral and correct standing, it appears this subject is at the bottom of the heap, and concentration n real news is important

When theses lyrics are worthy of what certain are making, and that includes the extremes who called this station, then count ourselves lucky, because methinks priorities are all screwed up here.

[rustyp]

Sarcasm noted, and everyone might agree, as I, that your analysis of the song is correct....

However, the OP was clear in naming a movement and discussing the lyrics seems very minor, but then of course, an entire network DID spend hours discussing ONE radio station (of over 15,000 stations) that took drastic action.

I simply wonder about motivation on this, while our country is awash in lies and false personal accusations. It seems that should get our attention first.

When theses lyrics are worthy of what certain are making, and that includes the extremes who called this station, then count ourselves lucky, because methinks priorities are all screwed up here.

I am the king of sarcasm but not this time. I rather live in a bubble on this one. One can post all the analysis and read between the lines on this but in my heart (rare for me to say) the author of this song did not intend to send out a date rape message in the 1940's. That's when coke was a coke.

[Bucco]

I am the king of sarcasm but not this time. I rather live in a bubble on this one. One can post all the analysis and read between the lines on this but in my heart (rare for me to say) the author of this song did not intend to send out a date rape message in the 1940's. That's when coke was a coke.

I imagine EVERYONE except extremist would agree.

My question remains....why the outrage over ONE station of thousands would get the attention of an entire network (speaking of making it worthy of discussion with guests, etc.) a thread on here naming the group who supposedly did this (although "group does seem an overstatement), such posts claiming raised eyebrows, when....nobody seems to care about the daily hate and lies and phoney accusations.

I simply think some have their priorities screwed up.....most agree it is stupid but why such chagrin ?

And the only analysis is being done by those who are revolted by this one station, nobody else

[ColdNoMore]

I imagine EVERYONE except extremist would agree.

My question remains....why the outrage over ONE station of thousands would get the attention of an entire network (speaking of making it worthy of discussion with guests, etc.) a thread on here naming the group who supposedly did this (although "group does seem an overstatement), such posts claiming raised eyebrows, when....nobody seems to care about the daily hate and lies and phoney accusations.

I simply think some have their priorities screwed up.....most agree it is stupid but why such chagrin ?

And the only analysis is being done by those who are revolted by this one station, nobody else.

Yep.

[Bucco]

I believe it is always worth discussing discrimination/racism/bigotry/misogyny/xenophobia/bullying/attempted intimidation/etc., etc.

I also believe the discussion can be had, without looking at a monument that was solely built...to celebrate them.


:ho:

Many mistakes and growth adjustments in our history...see amendments to our constitution.

Some of the statues taken down flew in the face and actually disagreed with some of those amendments.

[fw102807]

I imagine EVERYONE except extremist would agree.

My question remains....why the outrage over ONE station of thousands would get the attention of an entire network (speaking of making it worthy of discussion with guests, etc.) a thread on here naming the group who supposedly did this (although "group does seem an overstatement), such posts claiming raised eyebrows, when....nobody seems to care about the daily hate and lies and phoney accusations.

I simply think some have their priorities screwed up.....most agree it is stupid but why such chagrin ?

And the only analysis is being done by those who are revolted by this one station, nobody else

It's not just about this one song. It's about the ideology behind it. Rudolph is already being questioned and then what else will be next. To me it is blaming things for the problem of people. All of us grew up listening to or seeing these things but not all of us are bigoted. I for one do not care if you are striped if you are nice to me I will be nice to you. I volunteer in several places and provide monetary support for several causes. I believe that is how you change things.

[Bucco]

It's not just about this one song. It's about the ideology behind it. Rudolph is already being questioned and then what else will be next. To me it is blaming things for the problem of people. All of us grew up listening to or seeing these things but not all of us are bigoted. I for one do not care if you are striped if you are nice to me I will be nice to you. I volunteer in several places and provide monetary support for several causes. I believe that is how you change things.

I suggest to you that such "antics" always existed...ALWAYS.

You never heard of them...no internet, nor did people throw it in your face to advance their own agenda that getting you upset would advance.

Seconding, I do not understand your use of "blaming".

The agenda today is to tell you what to fear, and then insure they keep reminding you of it.

Congrats on your good work....may I add to your list of how to change things......advance the cause of and endorse moral behavior and honesty.

[Chi-Town]

My father said he chased my mother until she caught him. That was 1940.

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[Topspinmo]

"Baby It's Cold Outside" lyrics in #MeToo era: Cleveland radio station Star 102 stops playing popular Christmas song after listeners voice concerns about meaning in the "Me Too" era - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cleveland-radio-station-stops-playing-baby-its-cold-outside-after-listeners-voiced-concerns-about-predatory-undertones/)

I can see their point of view. I mean of people in the Me Too movement.

How would I explain those lyrics to my twenty something and younger grand niece and nieces?

Think the conversation about this is more important though than just pulling the song because it has questionable lyrics written in the 1940s which did not have any such connotations back then.

I would rather have the dialog going than just silence it.

In Cleveland that explained it, how would you explain all the rap, you don’t have to they already heard it. The song questionable in 1940, but, by today’s standards of junk on radio stations hardly.

[Bucco]

While watching football, I decided to investigate this situation.

The OP said in her title "because of metoo movement"

Yes, the gentleman who made the decision, Glenn Anderson Mentioned a movement but not to indicate pressure at all, seems more like cover. Never under pressure, it was one man's decision.

Subsequently a poll was conducted of the listeners in Cleveland, and they overwhelmingly objected.

This is a great example of innuendo, insinuation and not allowing facts to matter if you can twist facts to fit whatever the newest fear might be.

Me too cannot be blamed for everything regarding men/women relationship......Black Panthers cannot be blamed for every racial unrest....these are examples, understand, but we label and fear so easy now days.

People....be cautious everyone is labeling, fearing and creating havoc. It might serve certain political movements but it is serving only to have American citizens to distrust anyone who is not like them.

We have so much in the USA to be happy with....truthful good things, factual good things. Why not dwell on them instead of being so much in fear.

Embrace people of different color skin....embrace those of different religions, no matter how exotic they seem....embrace those of different heritage than you....life is short.....being afraid and hating sure does waste a lot of it.

[manaboutown]

Compare:

"Baby, It's Cold Outside"

I really can't stay - Baby it's cold outside
I've got to go away - Baby it's cold outside
This evening has been - Been hoping that you'd drop in
So very nice - I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice

My mother will start to worry - Beautiful, what's your hurry?
Father will be pacing the floor - Listen to the fireplace roar
So really I'd better scurry - Beautiful, please don't hurry
Maybe just a half a drink more - Put some records on while I pour

The neighbors might think - Baby, it's bad out there
Say, what's in this drink? - No cabs to be had out there
I wish I knew how - Your eyes are like starlight now
To break this spell - I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell

I ought to say no, no, no - Mind if I move in closer?
At least I'm gonna say that I tried - What's the sense in hurting my pride?
I really can't stay - Baby don't hold out
Ah, but it's cold outside

I've got to get home - Oh, baby, you'll freeze out there
Say, lend me your coat - It's up to your knees out there
You've really been grand - Thrill when you touch my hand
Why don't you see - How can you do this thing to me?

There's bound to be talk tomorrow - Think of my life long sorrow
At least there will be plenty implied - If you caught pneumonia and died
I really can't stay - Get over that hold out
Ah, but it's cold outside
Oh, baby, it's cold outside
Oh, baby, it's cold outside

to what foul, vile and vulgar trash passes (with some) for music today and is played over the air without contention: The 50 worst rap lyrics: The complete list | Westword (https://www.westword.com/music/the-50-worst-rap-lyrics-the-complete-list-5713165)

[graciegirl]

While watching football, I decided to investigate this situation.

The OP said in her title "because of metoo movement"

Yes, the gentleman who made the decision, Glenn Anderson Mentioned a movement but not to indicate pressure at all, seems more like cover. Never under pressure, it was one man's decision.

Subsequently a poll was conducted of the listeners in Cleveland, and they overwhelmingly objected.

This is a great example of innuendo, insinuation and not allowing facts to matter if you can twist facts to fit whatever the newest fear might be.

Me too cannot be blamed for everything regarding men/women relationship......Black Panthers cannot be blamed for every racial unrest....these are examples, understand, but we label and fear so easy now days.

People....be cautious everyone is labeling, fearing and creating havoc. It might serve certain political movements but it is serving only to have American citizens to distrust anyone who is not like them.

We have so much in the USA to be happy with....truthful good things, factual good things. Why not dwell on them instead of being so much in fear.

Embrace people of different color skin....embrace those of different religions, no matter how exotic they seem....embrace those of different heritage than you....life is short.....being afraid and hating sure does waste a lot of it.

Huh? I am the OP and I just brought up an article I read in U.S.A. Today. Their article, their title...and as for your summary of it all, in my opinion, That isn't a leap, it is a catapult.

[graciegirl]

My father said he chased my mother until she caught him. That was 1940.

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Eddie Fisher sang about that very thing in the fifties. Listen here;
you tube. a man chases a girl until she catches him. - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube.+a+man+chases+a+girl+until+she+c atches+him.&view=detail&mid=FB8F1597251D86E5A8A7FB8F1597251D86E5A8A7&FORM=VIRE)

It does date back to Irving Berlin in the forties.

[skyking]

While watching football, I decided to investigate this situation.

The OP said in her title "because of metoo movement"

Yes, the gentleman who made the decision, Glenn Anderson Mentioned a movement but not to indicate pressure at all, seems more like cover. Never under pressure, it was one man's decision.

Subsequently a poll was conducted of the listeners in Cleveland, and they overwhelmingly objected.

This is a great example of innuendo, insinuation and not allowing facts to matter if you can twist facts to fit whatever the newest fear might be.

Me too cannot be blamed for everything regarding men/women relationship......Black Panthers cannot be blamed for every racial unrest....these are examples, understand, but we label and fear so easy now days.

People....be cautious everyone is labeling, fearing and creating havoc. It might serve certain political movements but it is serving only to have American citizens to distrust anyone who is not like them.

We have so much in the USA to be happy with....truthful good things, factual good things. Why not dwell on them instead of being so much in fear.

Embrace people of different color skin....embrace those of different religions, no matter how exotic they seem....embrace those of different heritage than you....life is short.....being afraid and hating sure does waste a lot of it.

Uh. No. The station manager said he did a poll, but did not release the results. An online poll showed that 80 percent wanted to keep the song.

I don't who is more sad; the person who complained or the station manager

[Bucco]

Uh. No. The station manager said he did a poll, but did not release the results. An online poll showed that 80 percent wanted to keep the song.

I don't who is more sad; the person who complained or the station manager

Or a discussion on here, which sadly I engaged in. Still do not understand the thread, it's meaning or anything at all. The thread is complete with "they" etc.

Sorry....I did, however mention the poll.

[manaboutown]

The complainer is clearly some off the wall wackjob. Why is such an idiot paid any heed?

[CFrance]

PC run wild, again!

They are after Rudolph and Santa as well
I thought that song was disgusting before the Me Too movement ever came along. There are so many things wrong with the lyrics. Just listen to them. And her brother's standing in the wings ready to "punish" her for his holding her back from leaving. Don't get me started. Sounds like possible date rape.


And Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer--geeze. Bullying and hypocrisy all rolled up into one.