The Democratic hold outs prostituted themselves

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today in return for an executive order, a piece of paper, that states there will be no federal funding of abortion. It is not part of the bill, it will not be part of the law (if it ever gets that far), it can be rescinded by the POTUS any time he likes. It runs out when the current sitting POTUS (than GOD) moves on.

So they got what to sell out their constituency? Without them the bill would not have passed.

Once again demonstrating the politics is the prime motivation, not the needs of the people.......

For sure today is the best quality of life and the best quality of health care at the lowest cost you will ever have from tomorrow forward.

btk

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They will pay for it next November with their jobs. Then the dismantling starts not to mention the states will tie it up in courts for years. Once BO gets run out of town in 2012 we'll start repelling it all. Won't be easy but it can be done.

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This is just a guess and may be way off base, but....

Remember when the "change" was put in place on the credit cards? They immediately raised interest rates substantially while it was still legal. I think the insurance companies are going to do the same by dropping those who are sick while they still can, refusing new clients by whatever means they can find, etc. so that those people will be forced into the "pools" he mentioned. Me also thinks it's gonna get really ugly and we "ain't seen nuttin' yet". IMHO

Sure hope to be wrong.

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This take-over is not over yet. State District Attorneys will be suing the Feds and it might go to the Supreme Court.

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They will pay for it next November with their jobs. Then the dismantling starts not to mention the states will tie it up in courts for years. Once BO gets run out of town in 2012 we'll start repelling it all. Won't be easy but it can be done.

Not going to happen! The Republicans had 8 years to try to get Health Care Legislation, but all they concentrated was on war... as usual.

Even if the Republicans do win the majority... then what? We can all sit around again, like we did for years and get nothing done?

This administration is a breath of fresh air!

BTW, someone ought to tell John Bohner to turn off his sun lamp. I think it's gone to his brain. What a ridiculous rant! :22yikes:

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They, the progressives, tax and spend. Spend this country into the largest debt nation in history. Our children and their children had been begin learning to speak Chinese.

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and revel in the sunshine.

btk

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This administration is a breath of fresh air!



The air from this White House is anything but fresh.

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This administration is a breath of fresh air!

Only if you like socialists.

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Only if you like socialists.

I guess you call Jesus a "socialist" too because in the Christian teachings, Jesus spoke of taking care of each other. He spoke of sharing and caring for those less fortunate.

In my opinion, one cannot be a true Christian and be against helping his fellowman. That's hypocrisy at it's highest level. :ohdear:

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Boy is that a twisted view.

Jesus also said those who don’t work shouldn’t eat.

But aside from that I don’t recall any teachings in the Bible about government confiscating from one to giving it to another against their will.

I also don’t think Jesus was in favor of bribes and back room pay-off’s in the name of helping others. The Bible is also quite clear on finances and being in debt.

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I guess you call Jesus a "socialist" too because in the Christian teachings, Jesus spoke of taking care of each other. He spoke of sharing and caring for those less fortunate.

In my opinion, one cannot be a true Christian and be against helping his fellowman. That's hypocrisy at it's highest level. :ohdear:


Again, why do you need to equate the sharing with this political mess that is in WASH !

Do you imply or say that those of us who oppose this bill because it is not even close to addressing the issues of health care are not sympathetic..not giving...somehow non chrisitan ? Is that what you say ?

Would Jesus have made promises that he did not even intend to keep (open discussions on health care, posting of bills 5 days before signing...Would Jesus have postponed the hard work until his apostles had to do it (the taxes have to be instuted after this President leaves office)...would Jesus have given sweetheart deals to any of those he needed votes from and would he have done that in private ?

You preach to all of us about hyprocisy, but admire this "breath of fresh air" who did all those things and continues. Why must you take everything political and reduce it to personal ? Why cannot you ever come on here and tell us why this bill is good for this country without spieling as if you are giving a sermon on the mount ?

You never debate the issues, but rather go for the personal....the sun tan of a representative...you tell us that those who do not support this bill cannot be christians are hypocrits and you say that those who oppose this bill are non giving and will not help their fellow man.

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Again, why do you need to equate the sharing with this political mess that is in WASH !

Do you imply or say that those of us who oppose this bill because it is not even close to addressing the issues of health care are not sympathetic..not giving...somehow non chrisitan ? Is that what you say ?

Would Jesus have made promises that he did not even intend to keep (open discussions on health care, posting of bills 5 days before signing...Would Jesus have postponed the hard work until his apostles had to do it (the taxes have to be instuted after this President leaves office)...would Jesus have given sweetheart deals to any of those he needed votes from and would he have done that in private ?

You preach to all of us about hyprocisy, but admire this "breath of fresh air" who did all those things and continues. Why must you take everything political and reduce it to personal ? Why cannot you ever come on here and tell us why this bill is good for this country without spieling as if you are giving a sermon on the mount ?

You never debate the issues, but rather go for the personal....the sun tan of a representative...you tell us that those who do not support this bill cannot be christians are hypocrits and you say that those who oppose this bill are non giving and will not help their fellow man.

Bucco, Bucco, Bucco...

I like the bill because............................

It covers 30 million more Americans.
Insurance Companies cannot discriminate for pre-existing conditions.
Health Care cannot be denied to babies born with birth defects as having
a pre-existing condition.
Children can stay on their parents insurance until age 26.
Insurance Companies cannot cut off people because they've reached a certain cap and still need much medical care.
People won't go bankrupt or sell their homes for to pay Medical Bills.
Medicare donut-holes will be closed.

I see this bill as a start. Is it perfect? No! I'm all for the Public Option, which I believe will come.

I see this bill as a foundation for better things ahead.

I see that after 75 years of trying, we have finally taken a step forward.

And I wouldn't count on The Supreme Court or any repelling of this bill. Don't forget you're dealing with a guy that was a Professor of Constitutional Law.

But, really, the bottom line is that million Americans will be getting Health Care. It's not that complicated. :shocked:

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IMHO, it is interesting to see how someone can selectively interpret the words of Christ into the discussion on the thread about abortions and healthcare.

Don't forget, Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple. Rebuking them for making His word and the temple of God "a den of thieves" (Matthew 21:13) for using His house and His words in the wrong way. Interestingly, immediately after the rebuke, he healed the blind and lame.

Sorry all you Robin Hood fans. Forced charity, taking from someone else to give to another, isn't charity and it isn't righteous.

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Bucco, Bucco, Bucco...

I like the bill because............................

It covers 30 million more Americans.
Insurance Companies cannot discriminate for pre-existing conditions.
Health Care cannot be denied to babies born with birth defects as having
a pre-existing condition.
Children can stay on their parents insurance until age 26.
Insurance Companies cannot cut off people because they've reached a certain cap and still need much medical care.
People won't go bankrupt or sell their homes for to pay Medical Bills.
Medicare donut-holes will be closed.

I see this bill as a start. Is it perfect? No! I'm all for the Public Option, which I believe will come.

I see this bill as a foundation for better things ahead.

I see that after 75 years of trying, we have finally taken a step forward.

And I wouldn't count on The Supreme Court or any repelling of this bill. Don't forget you're dealing with a guy that was a Professor of Constitutional Law.

But, really, the bottom line is that million Americans will be getting Health Care. It's not that complicated. :shocked:

We are dealing with a guy who has a dubious past with dubious people and has not been vested by the media.
This is against the constitution and will be nullified by the supreme court. Never in history has the the American people been ordered to purchase a service or product and told they will be fined or go to prison.
And yes, it is complicated. Liberals want laws without consequences. They think that these things are free?
We are going bankrupt and you think it is not complicated. What kind of fantasy world is that?

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Don't you consider the fact that we are adding a multi-trillion dollar entitlement to all the existing entitlements that are going bankrupt?

We are going broke, you do realize that don't you?

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We are dealing with a guy who has a dubious past with dubious people and has not been vested by the media.
This is against the constitution and will be nullified by the supreme court. Never in history has the the American people been ordered to purchase a service or product and told they will be fined or go to prison.
And yes, it is complicated. Liberals want laws without consequences. They think that these things are free?
We are going bankrupt and you think it is not complicated. What kind of fantasy world is that?

Yes, President Obama's "dubious" past, as you put it, includes being the first African American named President of the Harvard Law Revue. Get a grip! And no, trust me on this one, it won't be nullified by the Supreme Court. And, yes, we are forced to buy auto insurance. And no, it wouldn't have been as complicated without the lovely Republicans "The Party of No" and their smear tactics, dramatics and out and out lies.

But, it has passed and yes, DK, I know this country is going bankrupt, mostly because of our antiquated health care system and let's not even mention the previous eight years, where absolutely NOTHING was being done, except putting our young people at risk in Iraq and clearing brush in Texas. :yuck:

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Yes, President Obama's "dubious" past, as you put it, includes being the first African American named President of the Harvard Law Revue. Get a grip! And no, trust me on this one, it won't be nullified by the Supreme Court. And, yes, we are forced to buy auto insurance. And no, it wouldn't have been as complicated without the lovely Republicans "The Party of No" and their smear tactics, dramatics and out and out lies.

But, it has passed and yes, DK, I know this country is going bankrupt, mostly because of our antiquated health care system and let's not even mention the previous eight years, where absolutely NOTHING was being done, except putting our young people at risk in Iraq and clearing brush in Texas. :yuck:

His past is sitting at the pews listening to a preacher that hates Jews and America. His past is with a militant radical that got away with bombing buildings and people. College? His records are sealed. Why? Did Barry even go to school with his own birth name? How about his close associations with ACORN?

You are not forced to buy auto insurance. Millions of people do not buy auto insurance because they don't drive. Ever hear of cities? Public transportation?
This administration will make Bush's deficits look like chump change since this guy has already tripled Bush's deficits.
And yes, this bill will be overturned by the will of the people.

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Yes, President Obama's "dubious" past, as you put it, includes being the first African American named President of the Harvard Law Revue. Get a grip! And no, trust me on this one, it won't be nullified by the Supreme Court. And, yes, we are forced to buy auto insurance. And no, it wouldn't have been as complicated without the lovely Republicans "The Party of No" and their smear tactics, dramatics and out and out lies.

But, it has passed and yes, DK, I know this country is going bankrupt, mostly because of our antiquated health care system and let's not even mention the previous eight years, where absolutely NOTHING was being done, except putting our young people at risk in Iraq and clearing brush in Texas. :yuck:

Donna is right...we are not forced to buy auto insurance. If everyone is forced to buy auto insurance, then why do some of us carry "uninsured motorist" insurance to protect ourselves?

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Anyone seen posts from cologal recently? I thought I'd see her remark on the healthcare reform bill. Hope she's okay. B.K.

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Actually, in Massachusetts, you ARE required to buy insurance - if you want to register your car. Here in NH, you aren't.

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Actually, in Massachusetts, you ARE required to buy insurance - if you want to register your car. Here in NH, you aren't.

If you don't have a car you do not need to buy insurance.

If you are young and healthy you still are forced to buy health insurance or be fined or go to prison.

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Bucco, Bucco, Bucco...

I like the bill because............................

It covers 30 million more Americans.
Insurance Companies cannot discriminate for pre-existing conditions.
Health Care cannot be denied to babies born with birth defects as having
a pre-existing condition.
Children can stay on their parents insurance until age 26.
Insurance Companies cannot cut off people because they've reached a certain cap and still need much medical care.
People won't go bankrupt or sell their homes for to pay Medical Bills.
Medicare donut-holes will be closed.

I see this bill as a start. Is it perfect? No! I'm all for the Public Option, which I believe will come.

I see this bill as a foundation for better things ahead.

I see that after 75 years of trying, we have finally taken a step forward.

And I wouldn't count on The Supreme Court or any repelling of this bill. Don't forget you're dealing with a guy that was a Professor of Constitutional Law.

But, really, the bottom line is that million Americans will be getting Health Care. It's not that complicated. :shocked:


I decided to respond to this post since you didnt attack anyone's religion, beliefs or get real personal.


IF the situation were as simple as you present it, who wouldnt back what you are saying but you touch only the surface.

These are a few of the things that a group called Physicans for a National Health Program, a supporter of this KIND of legislature...not THIS legislature...had to say...

"Instead of eliminating the root of the problem - the profit-driven, private health insurance industry - this costly new legislation will enrich and further entrench these firms. The bill would require millions of Americans to buy private insurers' defective products, and turn over to them vast amounts of public money."

"•About 23 million people will remain uninsured nine years out"

"•Millions of middle-income people will be pressured to buy commercial health insurance policies costing up to 9.5 percent of their income but covering an average of only 70 percent of their medical expenses, potentially leaving them vulnerable to financial ruin if they become seriously ill. Many will find such policies too expensive to afford or, if they do buy them, too expensive to use because of the high co-pays and deductibles"

And for all you Villagers who have been told that those who oppose this bill are just trying to scare you...they say this...

"•The bill will drain about $40 billion from Medicare payments to safety-net hospitals, threatening the care of the tens of millions who will remain uninsured."

"•The much-vaunted insurance regulations - e.g. ending denials on the basis of pre-existing conditions - are riddled with loopholes, thanks to the central role that insurers played in crafting the legislation. Older people can be charged up to three times more than their younger counterparts, and large companies with a predominantly female workforce can be charged higher gender-based rates at least until 2017.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2010/march/pro-single-payer-doctors-health-bill-leaves-23-million-uninsured


This bill is one thing.... A POLITICAL MOVE.....it is going to singlehandly bankrupt the country.

Do you recall during the campaign the then candidate Obama actually RIDICULING candidate Hillary Clinton when she talked about mandated insurance. He said then..you cant do that...guess what his bill does ?

Listen, everyone wants a better system of health care, but when you cannnot even get the support of your entire party...when you have to, with NO ADDING SPIN, payoffs to people to get their vote...when you need to lie....when what you are doing is NOT WANTED by the majority of the american people...then you are not fulfilling your oath of office.

This is simply said, a POLITICAL boondoogle...when you are expecting a FUTURE congress to make sure the tax increases come in.....when you say that unions dont have to pay the "cadillac tax" simply because they belong to a union...when you count on cuts in Medicaire as possible funding and ask the CBO to work with "estimates".....well, while your presentation is very idealistic...the realism is we have a MAJOR PROBLEM on our hands now and this President is hell bent on "fixing" immigration" next !

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The conservatives of today no longer match my fathers definition. They are not interested in keeping the good things in the system as time goes on. They are trying to return to a time that never existed where they were always in control and everything was slanted to the white the christian and the wealthy. They are acting like big babies in congress because they didn't get their way. They are going to waste more taxpayer money by state AG's trying to get healthcare overturned. The Florida AG is a joke.Running for gov isn't he? And finally as far as spending goes the conservatives in congress voted for 2 tax cuts while we were fighting 2 wars and passed the biggest drug program without paying for it and on and on.

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They are interested in keeping the Constitution intact. Something the Democrats know little about. Let me rephrase that, apparently know nothing about.

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The conservatives of today no longer match my fathers definition. They are not interested in keeping the good things in the system as time goes on. They are trying to return to a time that never existed where they were always in control and everything was slanted to the white the christian and the wealthy. They are acting like big babies in congress because they didn't get their way. They are going to waste more taxpayer money by state AG's trying to get healthcare overturned. The Florida AG is a joke.Running for gov isn't he? And finally as far as spending goes the conservatives in congress voted for 2 tax cuts while we were fighting 2 wars and passed the biggest drug program without paying for it and on and on.

Democrats protested weekly about Homeland Security being too intrusive. Now we are going to hire 16,500 IRS people to monitor 300 million people's health insurance status.
Where is the outrage?
Hypocrites-the bunch of ya.

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The conservatives of today no longer match my fathers definition. They are not interested in keeping the good things in the system as time goes on. They are trying to return to a time that never existed where they were always in control and everything was slanted to the white the christian and the wealthy. They are acting like big babies in congress because they didn't get their way. They are going to waste more taxpayer money by state AG's trying to get healthcare overturned. The Florida AG is a joke.Running for gov isn't he? And finally as far as spending goes the conservatives in congress voted for 2 tax cuts while we were fighting 2 wars and passed the biggest drug program without paying for it and on and on.

I am "interested in keeping the good things in the system"....I am not trying to return to anycontrol by any party...and I certainly dont want things "slanted to the white the christian and the wealthy"

BUT

You my friend are living in a dream fantasy world. Have you ever read what this is going to do, notjust to the rich which makes you giddy with joy, but to middle class americans..have you even read the bill...the cuts in medicaire..not made up by any whining Republicans but I just posted a link from a group of Doctors who WANT national health care and they think what the majority of americans think....THIS IS A HUGE POLITICAL BOONDOOGLE.....AND please dont be insulting by saying it is ANYTHING but 100% POLITICAL.

And to ALL OF YOU who keep saying that if you oppose this bill, or at minimum implying it....we are opposed because financially and a lot of ways it is a disaster...not because we favor the white the christian or dont care..I am so sick of hearing that. You probably think that anyone who is opposed to this president is a racist......what a waste of breath with folks like you. We, who oppose this are not what you paint and in fact are probably more caring and kind that you graciously and publicy proclaim to be yourself.

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Like I said a hundred times before. To liberals it's all about feel good, sounds good. Actual consequences our outcome plays no part in their logic.

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first your continued anti liberal,anti progressive stance is a joke. You had an opportunity for 8 years to improve this country. A huge tax break for the rich and 3 wars is all your conservatives accomplished.Lets look at facts. You started with a surplus of 200 billion.You left owing 1.3 trillion and 8 trillion more over the next decade because you your 2 wars were paid for through supplementals and 3 trillion loss projected because of lost revenue caused by the recession.That's what the republicans did. No I did not read the bill and I have doubts any of you did. Here is what I do know is in the bill:Insurance companies are now barred from dropping people because they sre sick. THey can no longer exclude children from coverage. Young adults can now stay on their parents plan until 26. Doughnut hole gap will get $250.00 to help seniors. Tax credits will be given to small businesses.

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first your continued anti liberal,anti progressive stance is a joke. You had an opportunity for 8 years to improve this country. A huge tax break for the rich and 3 wars is all your conservatives accomplished.Lets look at facts. You started with a surplus of 200 billion.You left owing 1.3 trillion and 8 trillion more over the next decade because you your 2 wars were paid for through supplementals and 3 trillion loss projected because of lost revenue caused by the recession.That's what the republicans did. No I did not read the bill and I have doubts any of you did. Here is what I do know is in the bill:Insurance companies are now barred from dropping people because they sre sick. THey can no longer exclude children from coverage. Young adults can now stay on their parents plan until 26. Doughnut hole gap will get $250.00 to help seniors. Tax credits will be given to small businesses.


Your reference to my continued anti liberal, anti progressive stance is somewhat confusing. I never said anything like that.....I have from the beginning opposed this President..since he was not even a candidate and if you read his history, you can readily see why.

You make assumptions about people and that is wrong and silly. You generalize about people...referring to the Republicans as "you".

You certainly mention many things that if that was all that was involved would be wonderful but your head is in the sand on what this bill will mean to YOUR country !

I respectfully must tell you that you make no sense..you ignore anything but what you want to say or what someone told you to say !

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first your continued anti liberal,anti progressive stance is a joke. You had an opportunity for 8 years to improve this country. A huge tax break for the rich and 3 wars is all your conservatives accomplished.Lets look at facts. You started with a surplus of 200 billion.You left owing 1.3 trillion and 8 trillion more over the next decade because you your 2 wars were paid for through supplementals and 3 trillion loss projected because of lost revenue caused by the recession.That's what the republicans did. No I did not read the bill and I have doubts any of you did. Here is what I do know is in the bill:Insurance companies are now barred from dropping people because they sre sick. THey can no longer exclude children from coverage. Young adults can now stay on their parents plan until 26. Doughnut hole gap will get $250.00 to help seniors. Tax credits will be given to small businesses.

The only joke was played on the people who voted this statist into the WH. Whatever the previous administration did is no excuse to triple the deficit. He has broken almost every campaign promise. Closing Gitmo, ending the wars, transparency etc, etc.

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he was a candidate. As a matter of fact he was elected by the majority of Americans as our President. I do not generalize or make assumptions. My post was filled with facts none of which you can refute. As a matter of fact my previous 2 posts were filled with facts that no one has refuted. I respectfully must tell you that you make no sense....you ignore the facts and go off on these tangents.

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dkclasson....are you kidding me? since when do conservatives think everything out and worry about consequences and outcomes? I'll answer for you ....rarely!

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he was a candidate. As a matter of fact he was elected by the majority of Americans as our President. I do not generalize or make assumptions. My post was filled with facts none of which you can refute. As a matter of fact my previous 2 posts were filled with facts that no one has refuted. I respectfully must tell you that you make no sense....you ignore the facts and go off on these tangents.

Oh, he has kept all his promises?

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he was a candidate. As a matter of fact he was elected by the majority of Americans as our President. I do not generalize or make assumptions. My post was filled with facts none of which you can refute. As a matter of fact my previous 2 posts were filled with facts that no one has refuted. I respectfully must tell you that you make no sense....you ignore the facts and go off on these tangents.

Facts ?

Ok...here is post #1 of the two you are referring to...

"The conservatives of today no longer match my fathers definition. They are not interested in keeping the good things in the system as time goes on. They are trying to return to a time that never existed where they were always in control and everything was slanted to the white the christian and the wealthy. They are acting like big babies in congress because they didn't get their way. They are going to waste more taxpayer money by state AG's trying to get healthcare overturned. The Florida AG is a joke.Running for gov isn't he? And finally as far as spending goes the conservatives in congress voted for 2 tax cuts while we were fighting 2 wars and passed the biggest drug program without paying for it and on and on."

Lets see......I see NO faccts, simply your opinions and could be called race baiting and your opinion that the Florida AG is a joke. Now, tell me what facts you present..lots of name calling...NO facts !

Lets move on to post #2 that you proclaim full of facts ,,,,,

Here it is...

"first your continued anti liberal,anti progressive stance is a joke. You had an opportunity for 8 years to improve this country. A huge tax break for the rich and 3 wars is all your conservatives accomplished.Lets look at facts. You started with a surplus of 200 billion.You left owing 1.3 trillion and 8 trillion more over the next decade because you your 2 wars were paid for through supplementals and 3 trillion loss projected because of lost revenue caused by the recession.That's what the republicans did. No I did not read the bill and I have doubts any of you did. Here is what I do know is in the bill:Insurance companies are now barred from dropping people because they sre sick. THey can no longer exclude children from coverage. Young adults can now stay on their parents plan until 26. Doughnut hole gap will get $250.00 to help seniors. Tax credits will be given to small businesses.

A bit more of the name calling.....searching for facts is tough as you throw out talking points only. If you want agreement that the Bush administration spent too much money, then you got it...but the guy in the WH has in one year made him look like a minor leaguer. Then you go on to talk about what you know.....no problem....as I said to you when you posted it, you are very naive..you ignore how any of the bill was arrived at (payoffs, etc)...you ignore how it might be paid for and WHEN it will be paid for. You ignore that over 20 million will STILL be uninsured 9 years from now.

So, I dont see how youcan say you are posting FACTS and getting no response !!!