Status of Brownwood Paddock Square

[memason]

Anyone know the status of the new Brownwood Paddock Square? Just wondered if construction is ongoing and if there is a completion date in the foreseeable future...

Any news or sources of information ??

[ohiogolf]

Our bike club group rode down to the site yesterday and there was a great deal of earthmoving equipment at work, many survey stakes out and many site preparation workers at work. Not sure what that means for timing of any actual construction but it sure seems busy at the site.

[RVRoadie]

I heard (second hand) that a cyclist was stopped by police on the closed section of Buena Vista. Just given a warning, but the fine is the same as for a car, $160.

[BogeyBoy]

I personally saw a Sumter County Sheriff pull over a car that came down the unopened section. (He had them pulled over at the south end, from the angle of the car it appeared that they were exiting Buena Vista when he caught them.)

I wish they would open it up, might save a little time heading for the Turnpike. The construction update says "Final authorizations for public use are pending."

[LELANDJANE]

How did this thread go from Brownwood to traffic tickets?

[BogeyBoy]

How did this thread go from Brownwood to traffic tickets?

I think the intent was to warn others who wish to see the progress of Brownwood to avoid going down the new section of Buena Vista.

It's been a few weeks since I was down there but Brownwood is still dirt - but they are moving the dirt around.

[NJblue]

Does anyone know or care to speculate about which comes first: the development of Brownwood or the housing that will surround it? Because of its location in the extreme southwest corner of TV, it would seem to be a problem either way. If they build the townsquare first then there will be no residents in the immediate area and the merchants will suffer. However, if they first build the housing in the immediate area, then they might have a hard time to sell the houses since it will be a long ride for the residents to get to Sumter Landing for any townsquare activity.

My speculation is that they will start to build houses just south of 466A by Buena Vista concurrent with the start of Brownwood construction. Then, after Brownwood is completed they will fill in with houses closer to it. That way the initial residents south of 466A will still be reasonably close to Sumter until "their" townsquare opens. If this is correct, then the start of Brownwood will not be until after all of the area north of 466A is completed.

Because of this chicken/egg scenario, I still can't figure out why they decided to place Brownwood where they did. It would seem to be much better to put it in a more central location - perhaps between Morse and Buena Vista just south of 466A. The only thing I can think of is that they want to appeal to residents outside of TV more. Or, there may have been pressure from the county to place it in an area that is more accesible to county residents.

[Army Guy]

NJblue, I read here on the board awhile ago that it was going to be different then the other two squares. Oriented more towards the public and have an actual shopping mall attached to it. So wanted at that major road junction.

Army Guy

[billethkid]

development of the area surrounding it. So I would expect the new town center to be completed sometime after homes begin to be built and long before the area south of the beginning is close to being done.

It is a key marketing element and will be available as soon as the economics and construction will allow.

TV is more a build it and they will come developer VS the usual....after you come some day we will build it developer.

btk

[NJblue]

NJblue, I read here on the board awhile ago that it was going to be different then the other two squares. Oriented more towards the public and have an actual shopping mall attached to it. So wanted at that major road junction.

Army Guy

Army Guy, I suspect you are right. I wonder how the TV residents in the area will respond to that. I feel that many like the "bubble" atmosphere in TV and if you are correct, then the bubble will be a little less pronounced.

[Army Guy]

Billy, so true. If you watch close in the TV video, when they do the zoom in over the actual Lake Sumtner before the radio station roof, look beyond the Square Buildings and there is nothing but sand!

Army Guy

[Army Guy]

Army Guy, I suspect you are right. I wonder how the TV residents in the area will respond to that. I feel that many like the "bubble" atmosphere in TV and if you are correct, then the bubble will be a little less pronounced.

NJ, I agree totally. I would not like it a little bit. I also saw on here or read somewhere that there would be no nightly entainment there either.

Army Guy

[BogeyBoy]

Does anyone know or care to speculate about which comes first: the development of Brownwood or the housing that will surround it? Because of its location in the extreme southwest corner of TV, it would seem to be a problem either way. If they build the townsquare first then there will be no residents in the immediate area and the merchants will suffer. However, if they first build the housing in the immediate area, then they might have a hard time to sell the houses since it will be a long ride for the residents to get to Sumter Landing for any townsquare activity.

My speculation is that they will start to build houses just south of 466A by Buena Vista concurrent with the start of Brownwood construction. Then, after Brownwood is completed they will fill in with houses closer to it. That way the initial residents south of 466A will still be reasonably close to Sumter until "their" townsquare opens. If this is correct, then the start of Brownwood will not be until after all of the area north of 466A is completed.

Because of this chicken/egg scenario, I still can't figure out why they decided to place Brownwood where they did. It would seem to be much better to put it in a more central location - perhaps between Morse and Buena Vista just south of 466A. The only thing I can think of is that they want to appeal to residents outside of TV more. Or, there may have been pressure from the county to place it in an area that is more accesible to county residents.

Who knows where TV will really end. Keep in mind, they own property down by the turnpike where the new on/off ramps will be built in the future. There were developers that were going to build south of 44, I don't think that ever happened, perhaps TV will buy up that land and keep heading south until they get to the Everglades! Keep an eye on these names and see what happens to their property south of 44: Quest; GM1 Partnership; D & S Development; Wildwood Villages; Baily Brothers, Inc.

[NJblue]

Who knows where TV will really end. Keep in mind, they own property down by the turnpike where the new on/off ramps will be built in the future.

Yes, I have wondered the same thing. The cynic in me says that the turnpike ramp is what we in the software business used to call vaporware - something that will never happen but sounds good as a marketing ploy. As I understand it the developer is funding this out of his own pocket. The only way this makes sense from a business perspective is if he will be able to sell houses for more money or at a faster rate if it is there. The longer that it goes undeveloped, the fewer houses that will be left from which he would be able to recoup his expenses - unless of course he subsequently expands the footprint of TV to allow the exchange to be a selling point for more houses.

[Army Guy]

As I have said on this board before, "When TV hits the Turnpike, I want to see the size of the Golf Cart tunnel under it!"

Army Guy

[BogeyBoy]

As I have said on this board before, "When TV hits the Turnpike, I want to see the size of the Golf Cart tunnel under it!"

Army Guy

How about over it, like on 441? It would get a lot more attention that way!

[kb8tpw]

Check this link - talks about entertainment, etc as LSL and SS. Interesting...

http://www.thevillagescommercialproperty.com/prop-brownwood.asp

[BogeyBoy]

Check this link - talks about entertainment, etc as LSL and SS. Interesting...

http://www.thevillagescommercialproperty.com/prop-brownwood.asp

Great info, hadn't looked at that site in a while.

BTW - Link didn't work, had to cut and paste.

[graciegirl]

I am gonna bet my best comfy girdle that Brownwood Paddock and where it is situated will be just fine. There is a LOT of thought in the successes the developers have already had and they learn as they go. I hadn't heard the words Brownwood PADDOCK and for sure the owners are horse people. I bet it will be horsey in the best sense of the word...and I too wanna see the golf cart tunnel under the turnpike. This whole place isn't gonna be finished anytime soon I'll betcha.

I am thinking that bigger is better in the sense that we will attract all of the businesses, restaurants and EXCELLENT medical care that we need as we grow bigger. I envision a large teaching hospital whose specialty is geriatrics.

You ain't seen nothin' yet is what I am thinking.

[Pturner]

Check this link - talks about entertainment, etc as LSL and SS. Interesting...

http://www.thevillagescommercialproperty.com/prop-brownwood.asp

Great link, thanks. The site also references a new area called Antrim Dells, described as "a 500,000 square feet power center in the development phase that will neighbor Brownwood on State Rd 44". Maybe that's where the mall will be.

[Army Guy]

Gracie, you know you may be right. I had never thought of that, but that has merit.

Yes, over the Turnpike would be better advert, BUT the long tunnel would be more romantic! Sort of the, "The Villages Tunnel of Love!"


Army Guy

[Indy-Guy]

Looking at the map where Antrim Dells will be located and it is Northeast of the corner of Buena Vista Blvd and County Road 44A. It looks like Brownwood is located at the Southwest corner of County Road 44A and Buena Vista. Brownwood will be bordered on the South by State Road 44.

Yesterday I drove down to the Brownwood area and they were paving the new part of County Road 44A looks like 44A will be 4 lanes in the Brownwood area. Also looks like County Road 139 will be 4 lanes South of 466A all the way down to SR44 and run into Brownwood. 466A will be 4 lanes from Buena Vista to County Road 139 and is now under construction.

Also saw a sign that Sweetbay will be next to the property where the steel is up for the Sumter County Goverment building and Library. This will all be able to be reached by golf cart. This is on the Southeast corner of 466A and County Road 139 at the edge of Wildwood.

[Bogie Shooter]

Looking at the map where Antrim Dells will be located and it is Northeast of the corner of Buena Vista Blvd and County Road 44A. It looks like Brownwood is located at the Southwest corner of County Road 44A and Buena Vista. Brownwood will be bordered on the South by State Road 44.

Yesterday I drove down to the Brownwood area and they were paving the new part of County Road 44A looks like 44A will be 4 lanes in the Brownwood area. Also looks like County Road 139 will be 4 lanes South of 466A all the way down to SR44 and run into Brownwood. 466A will be 4 lanes from Buena Vista to County Road 139 and is now under construction.

Also saw a sign that Sweetbay will be next to the property where the steel is up for the Sumter County Goverment building and Library. This will all be able to be reached by golf cart. This is on the Southeast corner of 466A and County Road 139 at the edge of Wildwood.
Is there a tunnel down near the Govt building? How will that facility be reached by golf cart?

[Indy-Guy]

Is there a tunnel down near the Govt building? How will that facility be reached by golf cart?

There is a tunnel that joins the East side of Buena Vista Dr and the West side it is located South of 466A about 300 yards or so. The land for the Sumter County Goverment Facility was donated by The Villages so my guess is that they will join that to a road or path. It was reported in The Daily Sun that the County Goverment Center and Library would be reached by golf cart.

[spk7951]

Is there a tunnel down near the Govt building? How will that facility be reached by golf cart?

If you go down Buena Vista to the Turtle Mound exec course there is a multi-modal path behind the course that leads to a tunnel under 466A. On the south side of 466A the multi-modal path then connects to Buena Vista and there is another tunnel under Buena Vista just south of the 466A/Buena Vista intersection. As previously stated my guess is they will build a path from Buena Vista to the County building.

[Pturner]

Gosh, everyone suddenly has tunnel visions. :D

[Ohiogirl]

Hey - don't knock retirement! I also had never heard the term Brownwood Paddock Square or Brownwood Paddock - IMHO a whole lot better than just Brownwood . . .

[Soon2B]

When we visited TV two years ago, we were given a 'General Area Map' which showed a layout of the area south of 466A. It showed 'transportation trails' crossing 466A just E/Morse and E/Buena Vista. Brownwood is shown S/44A and between Buena Vista and CR139.

The housing/golf area (future villages) had major streets named (Pinellas Place, Hillsborough Trail, et al); BV & Morse show linking up to SR44.

Does this site of future villages look like it's at the point where they might begin to build new homes?

[swrinfla]

I'm thinking that it'll be a while - not long, but not tomorrow, either - before housing starts up down there!

But, there is earth being moved where Paddock Square will be. I flew over with my brother a couple weeks ago, and it is clear that something is happenin'

SWR
:beer3:

[GMONEY]

You will be able to cross under 466a at Buena Vista. If you go down Buena Vista to the first circle. That is Pinealls Blvd. You will be able to turn right at that circle. Pinealls will go all the way to the Service Center and that plaza. Should be no problems in getting their.

The problem as I can see will be with Buena Vista where it intersects 44a. ALot of traffic flies down 44a. see what happens as to how they will controll that mess.

[graciegirl]

I love watching all of the building.

And I do have that map. I just didn't realize it. It shows Brownwood Paddock between 44 and 44a. I can see that would be a good place for a mall too.

Last night at dinner someone said that they heard the new Premier neighborhood would be close to where the driving range is now, kind of across from Colony Plaza, but that is really close to the landfill and sometimes they burn there and sometimes is doesn't smell "purty".

We Villagers sure hear a lot of information, some of it is really true. It brings to mind all of the rumors about the "GREAT BIG HOUSE" in Pennecamp on the point. The construction workers reported that it was for a Morse family member. Now we find it is a spec house. If someone is looking for instant fame in this town they will get it if they buy that house with (reportedly) a thousand folks showing up at yesterday's open house, everyone knows it is the most expensive home built here.

Yes. I think I will buy ONE lottery ticket, but then how would I pay the light bill???

[Rob Stevens]

The commercial propertylink that kb8 gave says: Brownwood Paddock Square is the newest urban downtown and serves as a third location where entertainment, dining and shopping draw consumers from the regional market. Brownwood’s design is based on old-look architecture of Old World Florida and will take residents back to a time in the 1800’s when Florida’s cattle hunters and cowboys roamed the state. The development will be highlighted by Paddock Square, a town square where residents congregate for nightly entertainment with plenty of food and retail opportunities.
It looks like the shopping center next door will be no different than an of the others - not an enclosed mall.