Proud parents?

[Two Bills]

Video of US teenagers taunting Native American draws fire - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46935701)

[John_W]

They had a small segment on the CBS Sunday Morning show, the Native American was also a Vietnam vet. I would say those punks aren't good enough to wipe his boots.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190119194820-maga-teens-native-american-march-exlarge-169.jpg

[eweissenbach]

They had a small segment on the CBS Sunday Morning show, the Native American was also a Vietnam vet. I would say those punks aren't good enough to wipe his boots.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190119194820-maga-teens-native-american-march-exlarge-169.jpg

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[seoulbrooks]

I think the congress woman is a little short sited. This started well before the last two years. It is the same old thing, who is raising these children? Total lack of respect for anyone or anything.

[Joeg180]

Where were the school chaperones during this event? The school states they will review the footage and will take action. So we will se how this little punk feels about being expelled for being a disrespectful excuse of a human being.




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[Nucky]

I'm just going to get in trouble about this incident so, I strongly disapprove of this yoooths idiotic behavior. Wondering what and who he had as an adult example in his little life.

[Boomer]

Covington Catholic High School is just across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. Covington is considered Greater Cincinnati. (Remember--the Cincinnati Airport is in Kentucky. In fact, the airport code CVG means Covington.)

Northern Kentucky is a nice area. It has jobs and good commercial development and a university and a hospital and nice homes. A lot of people who work in the City of Cincinnati live in Northern Kentucky -- even though the bridge traffic can be a pain at rush hour.

My point is -- these boys do not suffer from ignorance -- as defined as 'not knowing.' If anything, they just might suffer from entitlement.

Catholic education in the Cincinnati area has an outstanding history. Of course, these schools are not teaching hatred and bigotry, but these kids are picking it up somewhere.

Those boys, engaged in pack behavior, have their faces all over the internet. That will never go away.

This behavior is not only appalling -- it is heartbreaking on so many, many levels. Where oh where is this country going?

[fw102807]

There is no excuse for this. If they were my kids they would be severely punished and made to apologise.

[Bucco]

I stand with Nathan Phillips.

A true American in so many ways.

We are teaching hate today by example

[ColdNoMore]

They had to learn that abhorrent behavior somewhere, and obviously, due to the inaction of the chaperones (assuming there were some near?) and the defense by the punk's mother...it is condoned. :ohdear:


As for the school's public reaction, this smirky punk wasn't the only one in the group wearing political hats, so color me more than a little suspect...of the sincerity of the school's statement.


Not to even mention, that busing the kids to this event (by the school) in the first place...tells me a lot.

[dewilson58]

I thought it ended with a lot of the students standing with the NA's and even singing with them.

[ColdNoMore]

Covington Catholic High School is just across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. Covington is considered Greater Cincinnati. (Remember--the Cincinnati Airport is in Kentucky. In fact, the airport code CVG means Covington.)

Northern Kentucky is a nice area. It has jobs and good commercial development and a university and a hospital and nice homes. A lot of people who work in the City of Cincinnati live in Northern Kentucky -- even though the bridge traffic can be a pain at rush hour.

My point is -- these boys do not suffer from ignorance -- as defined as 'not knowing.' If anything, they just might suffer from entitlement.

Catholic education in the Cincinnati area has an outstanding history. Of course, these schools are not teaching hatred and bigotry, but these kids are picking it up somewhere.

Those boys, engaged in pack behavior, have their faces all over the internet. That will never go away.

This behavior is not only appalling -- it is heartbreaking on so many, many levels. Where oh where is this country going?

I'll have to disagree...with the underlined above.

These kids were bused to this demonstration and it was obviously a condoned field trip...by the school. :ohdear:

And then there's the flaming hypocrisy of those who said kids who had friends killed and were shot at during the Stoneman Douglas tragedy...had no business speaking out against gun violence.

Just simply amazing. :oops:

[Bucco]

I thought it ended with a lot of the students standing with the NA's and even singing with them.

Can you share your source, please ?

[dewilson58]

Can you share your source, please ?




Pretty sure I was watching CBS.............I will check the website to see if anything is posted.

[blueash]

You have to be taught to hate. It is coming from the home and reinforced in the school. I am very familiar with the Catholic high schools in the Cincinnati area, and the teens that go to them. In too many cases they are from families that are avoiding the experience of being in a school with black students, unless of course those black kids are recruited as athletes, and Jews, and LGBT, and those who might believe in a strong well funded public school system. The exception to this is St X high school run by the Jesuits which seems to do a good job in producing thoughtful citizens.

These students from Cov Cath were sent to Washington by their school to march against choice, replete in their MAGA hats and fueled by a kind of ignorance that does not come from lack of an education but rather from being taught to hate. That these miscreants felt screaming "build the wall' at a Native American tells you everything you need to know about what they have learned and where they have learned it.

[ColdNoMore]

You have to be taught to hate. It is coming from the home and reinforced in the school. I am very familiar with the Catholic high schools in the Cincinnati area, and the teens that go to them. In too many cases they are from families that are avoiding the experience of being in a school with black students, unless of course those black kids are recruited as athletes, and Jews, and LGBT, and those who might believe in a strong well funded public school system. The exception to this is St X high school run by the Jesuits which seems to do a good job in producing thoughtful citizens.

These students from Cov Cath were sent to Washington by their school to march against choice, replete in their MAGA hats and fueled by a kind of ignorance that does not come from lack of an education but rather from being taught to hate. That these miscreants felt screaming "build the wall' at a Native American tells you everything you need to know about what they have learned and where they have learned it.


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Please try to keep your replies to student behavior and parenting. There are competing news sources reporting the events in different ways. If this thread continues into political territory, it will be closed.

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[Bucco]

Pretty sure I was watching CBS.............I will check the website to see if anything is posted.

Heeding the mods warning, I am looking and hoping you have success.

I have read only ONE report of the event itself.

Varying reports on reaction, but if there is a report that actually disputes the video, please post it.

[dewilson58]

Heeding the mods warning, I am looking and hoping you have success.

I have read only ONE report of the event itself.

Varying reports on reaction, but if there is a report that actually disputes the video, please post it.




CBS News only had the video............when the Anchors were talking after the clip, they mentioned what I mentioned. Still have not found. Sorry.

[Nucky]

Cincinnati.com (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...odvvSARqtQj8Pc) Maybe this will help. A Dear friend just sent it to me I didn't find it on my own. Open up Cincinnati.com use the Hit the HOME button and the story will appear with the whole video.

[Bucco]

Cincinnati.com (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...odvvSARqtQj8Pc) Maybe this will help. A Dear friend just sent it to me I didn't find it on my own. Open up Cincinnati.com and the story will appear.

Thanks, except link has been deleted, whatever it said.

[Bucco]

A bit of looking and voila, which I think is what you refer to.

Longer video shows start of Covington Catholic incident at Indigenous Peoples March (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-incident-indigenous-peoples-march-longer-video/2630930002/)

From this link...

"In an interview with the Detroit Free Press, Phillips said the incident started as the students from Covington Catholic were observing a group of Black Israelites talk, and started to get upset at their speeches.

Phillips said some of the members of the Black Hebrew group were also acting up, "saying some harsh things" and that one member spit in the direction of the Catholic students.

"So I put myself in between that, between a rock and hard place," Phillips said.

The videos show separate angles and do not show the same people interacting with the students. The Enquirer has not verified the identity of the person who took and posted the video. "

Does not change my feelings one bit. I, and probably all others, can supply reasons for bad actions, which to me is secondary

[blueash]

I am back with a retraction. I now no longer am convinced that the students were malicious. I have watched an almost 2 hour video which should be available here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3EC1_gcr34&feature=youtu.be) Wherein you will see a five person group of "Hebrew Israelites" who are sharing their world view loudly with the passersby in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Their message is filled with anti-gay venom and they are verbally attacking the students, calling them names and challenging them. Into the space between these five and the students came the Native Americans who are then surrounded by the students. The students are whooping and clapping, hard to tell if along with the drummer or teasing him. This begins at about the one hour ten minute mark. I can't hear anyone yelling build the wall in this video, perhaps it is in others, perhaps not. I don't see the point at which the drummer leaves the group as he is not the focus of the video. So while I maintain my post about the nature of many of the kids in the Cincinnati area Catholic [and "Christian"] high schools, I am no longer confidant that this episode is evidence of anything except that the "Hebrew Israelites" have a dangerous message of hate, and have amazing vocal tolerance. I would be completely hoarse after that much yelling.

[Bucco]

I am back with a retraction. I now no longer am convinced that the students were malicious. I have watched an almost 2 hour video which should be available here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3EC1_gcr34&feature=youtu.be) Wherein you will see a five person group of "Hebrew Israelites" who are sharing their world view loudly with the passersby in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Their message is filled with anti-gay venom and they are verbally attacking the students, calling them names and challenging them. Into the space between these five and the students came the Native Americans who are then surrounded by the students. The students are whooping and clapping, hard to tell if along with the drummer or teasing him. This begins at about the one hour ten minute mark. I can't hear anyone yelling build the wall in this video, perhaps it is in others, perhaps not. I don't see the point at which the drummer leaves the group as he is not the focus of the video. So while I maintain my post about the nature of many of the kids in the Cincinnati area Catholic [and "Christian"] high schools, I am no longer confidant that this episode is evidence of anything except that the "Hebrew Israelites" have a dangerous message of hate, and have amazing vocal tolerance. I would be completely hoarse after that much yelling.

Thank you for the link and info.

This is why I think discussions on here should be allowed to continue, save for personal attacks.....the search for truth should supersede all.

[graciegirl]

I am back with a retraction. I now no longer am convinced that the students were malicious. I have watched an almost 2 hour video which should be available here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3EC1_gcr34&feature=youtu.be) Wherein you will see a five person group of "Hebrew Israelites" who are sharing their world view loudly with the passersby in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Their message is filled with anti-gay venom and they are verbally attacking the students, calling them names and challenging them. Into the space between these five and the students came the Native Americans who are then surrounded by the students. The students are whooping and clapping, hard to tell if along with the drummer or teasing him. This begins at about the one hour ten minute mark. I can't hear anyone yelling build the wall in this video, perhaps it is in others, perhaps not. I don't see the point at which the drummer leaves the group as he is not the focus of the video. So while I maintain my post about the nature of many of the kids in the Cincinnati area Catholic [and "Christian"] high schools, I am no longer confidant that this episode is evidence of anything except that the "Hebrew Israelites" have a dangerous message of hate, and have amazing vocal tolerance. I would be completely hoarse after that much yelling.

Thank you for your post.

[GoodLife]

Interesting how many are so quick to condem the high school students. They were just waiting for their bus and chanting some school cheers, nothing about the wall or abortion etc. Watch the whole video, for an hour the the black Israelites or whatever they are hurled insults and racist remarks at them. Then the NA guy Phillips wades into their group and beats his drum inches from their faces. The smiling kid did nothing wrong, just smiled and held his ground. At no time do you hear any insults from the kids. The insults and racist remarks come from the black guys and one of the NAs standing by Phillips.

Fake news strikes again.

PS If I was the smiling kids dad I'd be damned proud of him, congrats for showing restraint son. Then I be calling my lawyer.

[Bucco]

I am back with a retraction. I now no longer am convinced that the students were malicious. I have watched an almost 2 hour video which should be available here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3EC1_gcr34&feature=youtu.be) Wherein you will see a five person group of "Hebrew Israelites" who are sharing their world view loudly with the passersby in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Their message is filled with anti-gay venom and they are verbally attacking the students, calling them names and challenging them. Into the space between these five and the students came the Native Americans who are then surrounded by the students. The students are whooping and clapping, hard to tell if along with the drummer or teasing him. This begins at about the one hour ten minute mark. I can't hear anyone yelling build the wall in this video, perhaps it is in others, perhaps not. I don't see the point at which the drummer leaves the group as he is not the focus of the video. So while I maintain my post about the nature of many of the kids in the Cincinnati area Catholic [and "Christian"] high schools, I am no longer confidant that this episode is evidence of anything except that the "Hebrew Israelites" have a dangerous message of hate, and have amazing vocal tolerance. I would be completely hoarse after that much yelling.

As I said...thanks for the complete video.

It simply points out how search for truth and total honesty is so important.

In my opinion, it also does not excuse the behavior of any of the folks involved from whatever group. My opinion stands on the proliferation of hate in our country, but hoping a lesson is learned here about truth and context

[GoodLife]

As I said...thanks for the complete video.

It simply points out how search for truth and total honesty is so important.

In my opinion, it also does not excuse the behavior of any of the folks involved from whatever group. My opinion stands on the proliferation of hate in our country, but hoping a lesson is learned here about truth and context


What behavior of the students needs to be excused? Please post video or audio. I heard racist hate speech, but none of it came from the students.

[Boomer]

I am back with a retraction. I now no longer am convinced that the students were malicious. I have watched an almost 2 hour video which should be available here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3EC1_gcr34&feature=youtu.be) Wherein you will see a five person group of "Hebrew Israelites" who are sharing their world view loudly with the passersby in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Their message is filled with anti-gay venom and they are verbally attacking the students, calling them names and challenging them. Into the space between these five and the students came the Native Americans who are then surrounded by the students. The students are whooping and clapping, hard to tell if along with the drummer or teasing him. This begins at about the one hour ten minute mark. I can't hear anyone yelling build the wall in this video, perhaps it is in others, perhaps not. I don't see the point at which the drummer leaves the group as he is not the focus of the video. So while I maintain my post about the nature of many of the kids in the Cincinnati area Catholic [and "Christian"] high schools, I am no longer confidant that this episode is evidence of anything except that the "Hebrew Israelites" have a dangerous message of hate, and have amazing vocal tolerance. I would be completely hoarse after that much yelling.


Thank you, blueash,

I did not watch it, but I have been reading your posts for a long time and have seen you as always fair so I will take your word for it.

Btw, you and I agree on the Jesuits.

But I do not lump the Catholic schools into the the same category as all “Christian” schools. Nor do I defend everything about Catholic schools. (I wish all public schools could be equally funded, instead of plugging kids into what is practically a caste system from the get-go. But I digress.)

As far as Covington Catholic goes, why in the world did they allow those boys to wear those potentially incendiary hats into that huge crowd in a big city? The dress code should have been required as they represented their school. Oh well, shoulda, woulda, coulda.

This mess is layer upon layer.

I hope real conversations come out of this. There is so much opportunity to turn this into a teachable moment, rather than spreading blame and making excuses and learning nothing and making things worse.

But sometimes it is all too clear that Pogo was right.

[Taltarzac725]

Really like it when people start digging for the facts themselves.

They are often hard to get at with so many sources putting their own spins on them.

[Villageswimmer]

Really like it when people start digging for the facts themselves.

They are often hard to get at with so many sources putting their own spins on them.


+1:bigbow:

[GoodLife]

Thank you, blueash,

As far as Covington Catholic goes, why in the world did they allow those boys to wear those potentially incendiary hats into that huge crowd in a big city?




Maybe you need to watch the video.


Black Israelites: " crackers, faggots, and pedophiles." At the 1:20 mark (which comes after the Phillips incident) they call one of the few black students the n-word


Native American with Phillips: "Go back to Europe. This is not your land"

Yes, lets have a conversation on why MAGA hats are the problem. :ohdear::ohdear:

[Boomer]

Maybe you need to watch the video.


Black Israelites: " crackers, faggots, and pedophiles." At the 1:20 mark (which comes after the Phillips incident) they call one of the few black students the n-word


Native American with Phillips: "Go back to Europe. This is not your land"

Yes, lets have a conversation on why MAGA hats are the problem. :ohdear::ohdear:


And we’re off!

Just to clarify my comment — no matter what you think of what I think of hats, etc., it is beside my point.

Taking teenagers on a field trip is a huge responsibility. Even taking my high school classes to something as innocuous as a play took thought and preparation. We learned about the play we would be seeing. We always had a little update on how to behave at the theater, besides all the usual stuff about staying together, etc. — no sneaking off to smoke or whatever. I took my responsibility for other people’s kids seriously. We all enjoyed our field trips, but in 35 years in the biz, I never had a problem being the adult.

So here we had a bunch of teenage boys in DC, huge crowd, by its very nature fraught with the potential to turn toxic. For their own safety, they should not have been wearing those divisive hats.

Now, here they are, faces plastered all over the world. Opinions running the gamut.

If you want to argue my point, think about whether those kids would have been in this position had they not been wearing those controversial hats. I really do not think anybody would have bothered to film them.

I must assume their parents knew about their hats. But maybe not. Maybe they hid their hats. Maybe those supervising the kids were hung up on being afraid of offending tuition-paying parents. Maybe they tried. Who knows.

Whatever, nobody thought this one through. Those kids should have been in boring, appropriate, uncontroversial attire. They are kids.

Sometimes we have to tell kids things they do not want to hear — like NO! We have to tell them for their own good, or at least try to rescue them from themselves.

So, GoodLife, that’s the teacher in me talking. I have no interest in engaging in a pointless political snarkfest. And guess what — had I been your kid’s teacher, I bet you would have been glad.

[manaboutown]

Watch: The Full Video of the MAGA Kids & Indian Drummer Is a Game-Changer (https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/watch-full-video-maga-kids-indian-drummer-game-changer/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2019-01-20&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR3bF9zU-C0FVTTXp3JaDU0XXNSA4ww5ToKQBsZKciokbwhBdIOZAzx4Eic )

[Bucco]

And we’re off!

Just to clarify my comment — no matter what you think of what I think of hats, etc., it is beside my point.

Taking teenagers on a field trip is a huge responsibility. Even taking my high school classes to something as innocuous as a play took thought and preparation. We learned about the play we would be seeing. We always had a little update on how to behave at the theater, besides all the usual stuff about staying together, etc. — no sneaking off to smoke or whatever. I took my responsibility for other people’s kids seriously. We all enjoyed our field trips, but in 35 years in the biz, I never had a problem being the adult.

So here we had a bunch of teenage boys in DC, huge crowd, by its very nature fraught with the potential to turn toxic. For their own safety, they should not have been wearing those divisive hats.

Now, here they are, faces plastered all over the world. Opinions running the gamut.

If you want to argue my point, think about whether those kids would have been in this position had they not been wearing those controversial hats. I really do not think anybody would have bothered to film them.

I must assume their parents knew about their hats. But maybe not. Maybe they hid their hats. Maybe those supervising the kids were hung up on being afraid of offending tuition-paying parents. Who knows.

Whatever, nobody thought this one through. Those kids should have been in boring, appropriate, uncontroversial attire. They are kids.

Sometimes we have to tell kids things they do not want to hear — like NO! We have to tell them for their own good.

So, GoodLife, that’s the teacher in me talking. I have no interest in engaging in a pointless political snarkfest. And guess what — had I been your kid’s teacher, I bet you would have been glad.

Kudos to you for a great post.

A few things quickly I have learned on this thread....

1. Most, instead of investigating simply wait to be told what to think. I sincerely hope I never get that lazy. Seem severe ? Mean it to be...we have suddenly become open to lies, half truths and conspiracy theories.

2. To some, they or their positions are never wrong, and whatever is being discussed, it is somebody else's fault.

3. Boomer nailed it on the hats. Wearing them was meant to flaunt only. I was not aware this rally was to be political ???

4. I sleep well every night knowing whatever the issue, I insure I am well informed. I rely on no network, no individual person, or newly hatched conspiracy. I make sure I know the truth. If proven wrong, I apologize and begin to find out where I went wrong.

5. I was correct in my post on this thread....our country has been taken over by hate. We have no problem with attacking personally those who have different opinions.

Do you think this hate is not apparent to our children ?

Having been married to a teacher for 55 years, Boomer is correct, you would have been very lucky to have your children influenced by her

[ColdNoMore]

The Native American Elder Attacked By MAGA-Hatted Teens Explains That Viral Clip (http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/native-american-elder-attacked-maga-180000541.html)

As the teenagers began to attack the Black Israelites — and Phillips noted that the Black Israelites also began to say “some harsh things” in retaliation and self-defense

— Phillips made a spur of the moment decision to intervene and prevent the situation from escalating further. He physically placed himself between both groups, and the anger from the students, a group of mostly white, male teenagers, was then directed at him.

"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips told the Free Press. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

The students, who attend Covington Catholic High School in Kentucky, began jeering at Phillips as he took his drum and began singing. In the video, the teens can be heard chanting “Build the wall ” and yelling derogatory language and slurs. One boy walked up to Phillips and stood inches away from his face, smiling and unmoving.

Phillips said the kind of glee in the teenagers’ face was “ugly” and reminiscent of photographed reactions to lynchings from the mid-20th century. He described their behavior as a reaction to learning “there’s more truth out there than what they’re being taught” in their schools — and they took issue with people who are not like them.

“One thing that I was taught in my Marine Corp training is that a scared man will kill you,” he said. “And that's what these boys were. They were scared."

Phillips said that the students’ chaperones, teachers, and instructors should be held accountable for allowing the incident to happen.

[Bucco]

My post referring to political speech at Boy Scout Jamboree was deleted, but the meaning of this thread is our youth, and should you not think our children are "learning".....



"A high school basketball team in Minnesota has come under fire — and is now pulling out of a tournament scheduled for Martin Luther King Jr. Day — after its fans displayed a “Trump 2020” flag during a game against predominantly black inner city kids."

Basketball team quits MLK tourney after fans flaunt Trump flag (https://nypost.com/2019/01/20/basketball-team-quits-mlk-tourney-after-fans-flaunt-trump-flag/)

The hate is contagious...the lack of truth and/or morals is spreading.

[seoulbrooks]

Fooled by more fake news.....I stand corrected and apologize for my earlier comments.


Many true videos posted on youtube and here.

[collie1228]

Watch the video. The Hebrew Israelites are spewing hateful racist comments at these kids, the Native American guy wades in with his drum beating inches from this kid's face, and the kid is at fault for wearing a MAGA hat? Everybody is way too quick to make judgements based on inaccurate reporting. I expect politicians like the congresswoman to make judgements without facts, but where are the editors who used to make their reporters tell the whole truth?

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