Lawn ornament trolls

[villagetinker]

Some time back someone posted if an "offending ornament" was under the eves, it was OK?
Well the troll(s) have struck in my neighbor, so I dug out the deed restrictions, and I could NOT find the exception for items "under the eves", this is in District 9.
If anyone has actually seen this text in their deed restrictions, please let me know which district and if possible what item number in the restrictions.
A BIG thank you for your help.

[Goldwingnut]

The exemption does not exist, urban legend.

[Topspinmo]

Out of site, out of mind.

[retiredguy123]

I looked at a few of the deed restriction documents. They all say that lawn ornaments are prohibited except for seasonal displays for 30 days. I guess someone could make a case that the front patio is not part of the lawn, or that something hanging from the eve is not a lawn ornament. I didn't see any definition for a lawn.

[skip0358]

All I can say is there are very few homes that are in total compliance with all of the rules. Planting in the in the drainage swails, hedges that have turned into walls,raised corner flower beds to close to the property line, to many dogs, yard & lawn ornaments etc. There is never a problem with this until some one person gets turned in and then out comes the troll.

[Mortal1]

I always find it slightly humorous when people complain about those who turn in folks for deed restriction violations. That is the reason the violations are available. Personally I don't particularly like my neighborhood looking like something like a 50's animal/nursery rhyme park. If you don't like the deed restrictions why on earth don't you move? Perhaps you only like some of them? Calling people "troll" is childish. Enforcing the rules and regulations are what make living here better than places where they don't enforce them.

[jchase]

But it’s “ok” to have your back yard which is backed up to the street full of Cactus plants!

[patfla06]

I always find it slightly humorous when people complain about those who turn in folks for deed restriction violations. That is the reason the violations are available. Personally I don't particularly like my neighborhood looking like something like a 50's animal/nursery rhyme park. If you don't like the deed restrictions why on earth don't you move? Perhaps you only like some of them? Calling people "troll" is childish. Enforcing the rules and regulations are what make living here better than places where they don't enforce them.

I have to agree.
I have never called on a neighbor for some of the crazy stuff they put out.
But this insistence that it is the person who complained is the problem is ridiculous.

When you live in Florida in a CDD there are rules.
I lived in Tampa and they had the same rules.

[photo1902]

But it’s “ok” to have your back yard which is backed up to the street full of Cactus plants!

Yep.

[Kerry Azz]

Some time back someone posted if an "offending ornament" was under the eves, it was OK?
Well the troll(s) have struck in my neighbor, so I dug out the deed restrictions, and I could NOT find the exception for items "under the eves", this is in District 9.
If anyone has actually seen this text in their deed restrictions, please let me know which district and if possible what item number in the restrictions.
A BIG thank you for your help.

Maybe a call to villages watch is in order they’ll contact the neighbor and you’ll be kept Anonymous.

[CWGUY]

Maybe a call to villages watch is in order they’ll contact the neighbor and you’ll be kept Anonymous.

:ohdear: Not Villages Watch...... Community Standards.

VCDD Community Standards (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Community-Standards/community-standards.aspx) :ho:

[thetruth]

I've never before lived in a planed community such as The Villages.

There are all kinds of pluses and minuses. Some are truly amusing and well pathetic.

I recall a business associate who lived in a similar-planed community. After several years someone complained about the location of his tree and voiced an unanimous complaint. I neither particularly liked him or had any interest in his tree.

BUT, the community decided to hire an atty. He too hired an attorney. The issue went on for years. I never said it but first of all he was paying for the communities atty in his common charges. Secondly he was paying his own atty. I will guess that tree cost him as much as a nice car. Not to leave the story without an end. The tree was never resolved. He passed away. The property went to his daughter I assume. Were it me, I would have little concern for the quality of the new owner.


FOR ALL OF YOU-think is it really important? Are YOU as perfect as you THINK YOU ARE? If, you wish to look for problems you will surely be able to find them.

[photo1902]

Maybe a call to villages watch is in order they’ll contact the neighbor and you’ll be kept Anonymous.

"villages watch" does not handle these issues.

Complaints of this nature are made to Deed Compliance at 352-751-3912

[Bogie Shooter]

But it’s “ok” to have your back yard which is backed up to the street full of Cactus plants!

Cactus plants are nature....better than old car parts!:)

[Bigben007]

I agree with you 100%, what does it matter who reported the infraction, if it's not allowed, it's not allowed.

[bob47]

I agree with you 100%, what does it matter who reported the infraction, if it's not allowed, it's not allowed.

I agree with this logic completely. And in fact, the person reporting is not declaring that there is an infraction. He / she is asking community standards to determine whether or not there is an infraction.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Is this an actual lawn ornament, or a garden gnome statuette? Do the deed restrictions define "lawn ornament?" If so, what is that definition? Does the offending object fit that description?

I see photos on the Villages homefinder page, that very proudly display all kinds of things "under the eves" of the front of the dwelling. Most of them are crosses, in full view of the sidewalk out front, and not even in an actual garden. They're not, however, "on the lawn." So does that make them "not lawn ornaments?" These are not the old properties where restrictions are less restrictive, either.

Buttonwood, Pinellas, south of 466. Some are patio villas, some courtyard villas, and some ranch and designer homes. So it's not even "oh well "those" types of homes are exempt."

So as I see it, it really depends on the object and whether or not it's actually on a lawn. If it's on a lawn, it's absolutely positively a lawn ornament, by definition.

But if it's not on a lawn - and if it's a garden critter, or a religious symbol (like a cross) or even a 2-foot planter shaped like a golf cart and growing morning glory vines up a miniature wrought-iron trellis - then it's not a lawn ornament.

[graciegirl]

Is this an actual lawn ornament, or a garden gnome statuette? Do the deed restrictions define "lawn ornament?" If so, what is that definition? Does the offending object fit that description?

I see photos on the Villages homefinder page, that very proudly display all kinds of things "under the eves" of the front of the dwelling. Most of them are crosses, in full view of the sidewalk out front, and not even in an actual garden. They're not, however, "on the lawn." So does that make them "not lawn ornaments?" These are not the old properties where restrictions are less restrictive, either.

Buttonwood, Pinellas, south of 466. Some are patio villas, some courtyard villas, and some ranch and designer homes. So it's not even "oh well "those" types of homes are exempt."

So as I see it, it really depends on the object and whether or not it's actually on a lawn. If it's on a lawn, it's absolutely positively a lawn ornament, by definition.

But if it's not on a lawn - and if it's a garden critter, or a religious symbol (like a cross) or even a 2-foot planter shaped like a golf cart and growing morning glory vines up a miniature wrought-iron trellis - then it's not a lawn ornament.

Kinda. But not exactly. It all makes good sense to those who bought here and signed the deed restrictions. We have had them before for decades. I prefer deed restricted PLANNED communities. I do so like them Sam I am.

[retiredguy123]

Many houses have there entire front yard covered with rocks. But, the dictionary defines a lawn as a grassy area. So, I guess lawn ornaments would be allowed on a rock covered yard?

[Challenger]

I agree with you 100%, what does it matter who reported the infraction, if it's not allowed, it's not allowed.

Wish we had more "Trolls" Don't understand people who voluntarily enter into a contract and then refuse to honor their agreement. Hope the trolls stay diligent .

[Dan9871]

Many houses have there entire front yard covered with rocks. But, the dictionary defines a lawn as a grassy area. So, I guess lawn ornaments would be allowed on a rock covered yard?

The covenants are different for every district but for District 9

"Lawn ornaments, or yard art, generally refers to manmade items located anywhere outside the structure or footprint of the home..."

and it goes on and list things like statues, wind chimes and other things as examples of yard art.

So lawn ornaments wouldn't be allowed in the rock covered areas.

[villagetinker]

Thank you all for the discussion, I was looking for what appears to be an "urban legend". While I was NOT the object of any action, at least 2 neighbors were, and I was doing the research for them. While I generally support the existing system, this recent example appears to be people just cruising around looking for infractions. Items reported were actually appreciated by many neighbors......
This appears to be an abuse of the system, but that is a discussion for another day.
Again thank you for all of the discussion and points of view.

[photo1902]

Thank you all for the discussion, I was looking for what appears to be an "urban legend". While I was NOT the object of any action, at least 2 neighbors were, and I was doing the research for them. While I generally support the existing system, this recent example appears to be people just cruising around looking for infractions. Items reported were actually appreciated by many neighbors......
This appears to be an abuse of the system, but that is a discussion for another day.
Again thank you for all of the discussion and points of view.

Go right to the source, and ask the horse (Deed Compliance 352-751-3912) about the "urban legend".

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So it wasn't even the people IN the neighborhood doing the complaining? Wow. That's pretty pathetic. If their lives are so miserable that they have to create problems where none exist, then they need to just find a nice cave to move into, where nothing can bother them ever again.

I get that rules are rules. I also get that this seems to be a 'if it ain't broke, don't whine about it' situation, where minor infractions are overlooked as long as the neighborhood is okay with it and no one complains. If it gets to be more than a minor infraction, or becomes more prevalent in the neighborhood, someone will complain, and it'll be dealt with then. But there's no reason to go to other parts of The Villages just so you can point out what's wrong with THOSE houses THERE - unless you just really get a sick twisted kind of kick out of minding everyone else's business.

[kcrazorbackfan]

But it’s “ok” to have your back yard which is backed up to the street full of Cactus plants!

Really don’t see anything wrong with that yard; I pass it every time I come home from work. It’s plants and they look a lot better than some of the lawns along that same street. To each his own....

[Villageswimmer]

Really don’t see anything wrong with that yard; I pass it every time I come home from work. It’s plants and they look a lot better than some of the lawns along that same street. To each his own....


I like it. It’s different and plants seem well cared for.

[ColdNoMore]

I like it. It’s different and plants seem well cared for.
:agree:, as I personally don't have a problem with well-maintained cactus instead of the usual landscaping...as long as they don't create a hazard.

Speaking of which, there used to be an Aloe plant that partially hung out into the golf cart lane, between the 8th and 9th holes on Glenview's Stirrup Cup (Talley Ridge Dr.).

Every time I went past it, I could just envision a cart hugging the curb, a passenger not paying attention and those points on the leaves...doing some serious physical damage (think chain saw).

It's since been removed (massively trimmed?) and I'm guessing it was because I was far from the only one...who had the same concern.

Here's a Google pic of before it was removed/trimmed and if you look closely, you can see where it had been partially trimmed at the very bottom...because the leaves were in the cart lane.

[sdedes]

I always find it slightly humorous when people complain about those who turn in folks for deed restriction violations. That is the reason the violations are available. Personally I don't particularly like my neighborhood looking like something like a 50's animal/nursery rhyme park. If you don't like the deed restrictions why on earth don't you move? Perhaps you only like some of them? Calling people "troll" is childish. Enforcing the rules and regulations are what make living here better than places where they don't enforce them.

I agree. Everyone moved here knowing these restrictions existed. I appreciate that some people think their gaudy lawn ornaments look good, but a lot of people don't feel that way, and the restrictions are actually one of the reasons why I moved here.

[Garywt]

I just received my paperwork today, did not have to sign the restriction paperwork, not sure if you have to sign it at the closing. It clearly says lawn ornaments and not yard ornaments which means nothing on the grass. As far as where the bushes and mulch are is not lawn as there is no grass.

[valuemkt]

Troll is a much too charitable description.

[tagjr1]

I just received my paperwork today, did not have to sign the restriction paperwork, not sure if you have to sign it at the closing. It clearly says lawn ornaments and not yard ornaments which means nothing on the grass. As far as where the bushes and mulch are is not lawn as there is no grass.

Good luck with your misguided logic!

[Garywt]

Good luck with your misguided logic!

?? It is just what I read.

[roob1]

Many people turn the focus on the persons who report violations. The violator (not the reporter) creates a potential problem when he violates the rules.

Narcissists blame others, as well as feel a highly increased sense of entitlement, i.e. "I am entitled to put up a lawn ornament, and if I get caught, you are to blame for turning me in".

Violators might want to consider that they are to blame. They agree to follow the rules when they buy. Then they decide to ignore them. So who is really to blame when one "gets caught"? Could it be the one who feels "entitled" to do as he pleases?





So it wasn't even the people IN the neighborhood doing the complaining? Wow. That's pretty pathetic. If their lives are so miserable that they have to create problems where none exist, then they need to just find a nice cave to move into, where nothing can bother them ever again.

I get that rules are rules. I also get that this seems to be a 'if it ain't broke, don't whine about it' situation, where minor infractions are overlooked as long as the neighborhood is okay with it and no one complains. If it gets to be more than a minor infraction, or becomes more prevalent in the neighborhood, someone will complain, and it'll be dealt with then. But there's no reason to go to other parts of The Villages just so you can point out what's wrong with THOSE houses THERE - unless you just really get a sick twisted kind of kick out of minding everyone else's business.

[fw102807]

?? It is just what I read.

We see many beautiful yard decorations everywhere we go. I am not saying that you are right or wrong about this but I think it would be worth a call to Community standards to clarify.

[retiredguy123]

Good luck with your misguided logic!
It doesn't sound misguided to me. The Pine Ridge document says lawn ornaments are prohibited, but it doesn't say anything about yard ornaments.

[mulligan]

If you can see it and it's not a typical holiday decoration, you've violated the spirit of the rule. The second grade responses on here amaze me.

[retiredguy123]

I think that people just have different opinions. And, the deed restriction document is extremely vague and inadequate regarding "ornaments". It is even more inadequate in addressing noise violations, which are more important to me.

[queasy27]

Someone turned me in for leaving a plain orange plastic pumpkin over my lamppost light for months. I thought it was cute and helped identify my house at night.

The Community Standards person came by twice and left a notice of violation, which I ignored. The third time I was home and showed him my deed restriction, which did not specifically prohibit it. He claimed there was a Villages-wide "matrix" that applied to everyone. Sir, you are incorrect.

I had to call Community Standards twice, but victory was ultimately mine. I left the thing up for another year or so until I moved.*


* Out of the historic district.

[Bogie Shooter]

I think that people just have different opinions. And, the deed restriction document is extremely vague and inadequate regarding "ornaments". It is even more inadequate in addressing noise violations, which are more important to me.

Isn't noise a county thing?

[Chi-Town]

Someone turned me in for leaving a plain orange plastic pumpkin over my lamppost light for months. I thought it was cute and helped identify my house at night.

The Community Standards person came by twice and left a notice of violation, which I ignored. The third time I was home and showed him my deed restriction, which did not specifically prohibit it. He claimed there was a Villages-wide "matrix" that applied to everyone. Sir, you are incorrect.

I had to call Community Standards twice, but victory was ultimately mine. I left the thing up for another year or so until I moved.*


* Out of the historic district.

Was it plain or have a face? A face would be considered a seasonal Halloween decoration. A truly plain one would be a tough call.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190203/fa6959eb5bd0838fa729cb0af64b8e24.jpg

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[retiredguy123]

Isn't noise a county thing?
My deed restriction document says that sounds must be kept at a "moderate" level from 10 pm until 1 hour before daylight. I'm sure that everyone else must know what a moderate level is. But, I don't.

[JoMar]

My deed restriction document says that sounds must be kept at a "moderate" level from 10 pm until 1 hour before daylight. I'm sure that everyone else must know what a moderate level is. But, I don't.

Since normal conversation is 60db and shouting in ones ear is 110db I would assume moderate would be closer to normal conversation.

[JoMar]

It doesn't sound misguided to me. The Pine Ridge document says lawn ornaments are prohibited, but it doesn't say anything about yard ornaments.

Depending on your neighbors you might be afforded the opportunity to test the restrictions.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Many people turn the focus on the persons who report violations. The violator (not the reporter) creates a potential problem when he violates the rules.

Narcissists blame others, as well as feel a highly increased sense of entitlement, i.e. "I am entitled to put up a lawn ornament, and if I get caught, you are to blame for turning me in".

Violators might want to consider that they are to blame. They agree to follow the rules when they buy. Then they decide to ignore them. So who is really to blame when one "gets caught"? Could it be the one who feels "entitled" to do as he pleases?

One is not "getting caught" doing something sneaky, if the thing they're doing is in plain sight and they're not trying to hide it. If the concensus of the neighborhood is "this is cute, we're okay with it, we have no problem with it, and it's acceptable" then who are you, who lives in a whole other neighborhood, to come to their neighborhood just so that you have an excuse to "turn them in?" You don't live there, it's none of your business.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Depending on your neighbors you might be afforded the opportunity to test the restrictions.

This, exactly.

If the neighbors don't have a problem with it, then it's not a problem.

[Rga20]

We should remember that this is a rule, not a law, and while even laws can be changed, changing rules is a much less demanding process. This is our community, and if the majority believe this or any rule should be changed, they should work to have that done. If we spent the same time and energy initiating change as we do complaining about the rule or the rule breakers or the rule breaker reporters, on changing things, we might be surprised what would happen. Most of these things are governed by bodies of elected officials...they may or may not read TOTV.

[ColdNoMore]

:ohdear: Let's hope they have more important things to do than listen to a bunch of 2nd. graders.:icon_wink: :icon_wink:

"Most of these things are governed by bodies of elected officials...they may or may not read TOTV."

It's guaranteed that "they" read TOTV.

I started a thread a couple of months after joining about "faded/peeling/ugly" street signs...with a lot of posts saying I was just imagining them. :ohdear:

So I went out and took photos. :D

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/so-many-faded-peeling-ugly-street-signs-201420/index4.html<Poke Here

Within a couple of weeks, a whole bunch of the ones I took photos of...were replaced.


I don't believe in... that kind of 'coincidence.' :ho:

[graciegirl]

It's guaranteed that "they" read TOTV.

I started a thread a couple of months after joining about "faded/peeling/ugly" street signs...with a lot of posts saying I was just imagining them. :ohdear:

So I went out and took photos. :D

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/so-many-faded-peeling-ugly-street-signs-201420/index4.html<Poke Here

Within a couple of weeks, a whole bunch of the ones I took photos of...were replaced.


I don't believe in... that kind of 'coincidence.' :ho:

The street signs were discussed on here many months ago and a year ago. And two years ago. The sun beats the heck out of all painted surfaces.

[Goldwingnut]

It's guaranteed that "they" read TOTV.

I started a thread a couple of months after joining about "faded/peeling/ugly" street signs...with a lot of posts saying I was just imagining them. :ohdear:

So I went out and took photos. :D

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/so-many-faded-peeling-ugly-street-signs-201420/index4.html<Poke Here

Within a couple of weeks, a whole bunch of the ones I took photos of...were replaced.


I don't believe in... that kind of 'coincidence.' :ho:

It's not coincidence, it's called scheduled maintenance. Your elected officials don't need to read ToTV to be aware of what they, just like you and everyone else, can see.

[ColdNoMore]

It's not coincidence, it's called scheduled maintenance. Your elected officials don't need to read ToTV to be aware of what they, just like you and everyone else, can see.

1. So you believe it was just pure coincidence that so many of these exact signs, which had obviously taken years to become so bad, were replaced on a pre-planned maintenance cycle...so quickly after the thread?

2. Please read the entire linked thread and its posts, so you can read for yourself that...not "everyone else could see them."


:ho:

[Viperguy]

Hum.....offending ornament.....Pretty much anything nowadays offends someone.

[merrymini]

Enforcement of the rules is necessary to keeping this community clean and neat. I personally hate all the junk people put out in front. Keep it in your backyard, if it allowed and follow the rules. Simple.

[EnglishJW]

I always find it slightly humorous when people complain about those who turn in folks for deed restriction violations. That is the reason the violations are available. Personally I don't particularly like my neighborhood looking like something like a 50's animal/nursery rhyme park. If you don't like the deed restrictions why on earth don't you move? Perhaps you only like some of them? Calling people "troll" is childish. Enforcing the rules and regulations are what make living here better than places where they don't enforce them.

I fully agree.

[nututv]

haha All of you have been trolled and the funny thing is it was about trolls. You can almost hear the sucking sound of you all being pulled in lol.
Original poster stirs the pot, everyone circles around to help, then the original poster backs out and says 'he was asking for a friend'.
TheTruth had the only post worth reading just about when he said. "FOR ALL OF YOU-think is it really important? Are YOU as perfect as you THINK YOU ARE? If, you wish to look for problems you will surely be able to find them."
If you claim to be sticklers for all the rules... would you not complain and say it was just if you were fined for speeding 2 miles an hour over, how about so much as touching the double yellow?
It's all fun and games until you're the target. Get a life folks, live and let live. You're waaay too busy giving old people like me and TheTruth a bad name.

[karostay]

Rules are Rules are Rules..We all signed on the .......................... line

[charmed59]

I’d like it if they changed the rules so only if you live in that particular village you can call in a complaint. If you call in you do have to give your name and address, but that name and address would be confidential.

When moving our stuff down from up north a garden art piece was left in the front yard. A few days later I went to move it into the back and the neighbors asked me not to, they like seeing it when they walked in the morning. A few months later I get the call that the metal statue was not allowed in the front, so I moved it to where I intended it to be originally, in the back where I can see it while sitting on the lanai. However, I know the neighbors weren’t the ones calling it in, they liked it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

These are what would be considered yard ornaments. In the front yard. Village of Summerhill. Bad Request (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/#/S68.145/Gallery/1?new&preowned&homesites&lng=-81.991962115&lat=28.88243893&lvl=1) A metal pelican!
This one here uses a park bench AS a lawn ornament - can't sit on it, because it's holding potted plants. And then there's that tipped-over decorative, ornamental planter vomiting up white rocks... Bad Request (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/#/S151.2/Gallery/1?new&preowned&homesites&lng=-81.991962115&lat=28.88243893&lvl=1)

Now, I know CYVs are allowed to not have grass. But are they allowed to have garden or yard ornaments? Because this guy in Sanibel has multiple violations! They look terrific too, don't you think? Bad Request (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/#/S950.32/Gallery/1?new&preowned&homesites&lng=-81.991962115&lat=28.88243893&lvl=1)

More garden critters right there in the front for everyone to be offended by, this time in Pine Ridge Bad Request (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/#/L38.6/Gallery/1?new&preowned&homesites&lng=-82.00719066543732&lat=28.78764120352772&lvl=1)

These homes are ALL listed for sale on the OFFICIAL Villages Homefinder website. It looks to me that The Villages has no problem at all with these kinds of decorative touches. If they did, they would have made the owners remove them before using these pictures to advertise the homes for sale, don'tya think?

Maybe the rules should be changed. Or maybe people need to stop turning each other in for such trivial and trite infractions that don't actually violate the SPIRIT of the rules at all, but rather, violate the vague, non-specific, non-defined words.

Edited to add: those "bad request" links are to the actual photos, on the official website. They linked me there just fine when I clicked them, should work for you too.

[Rich42]

That is just the villages cop out to avoid enforcing the rules.

[boobear51751]

Neighborhood Watch can not do anything. It is not their job. Their job is to open and close the pools and clean up dead animals on the streets. They only watch and are not trained to do anything other than simply just ride around. If called upon they can direct traffic when there is an accident, but only until law enforcement gets on the scene. After that they have to leave.

[fw102807]

haha All of you have been trolled and the funny thing is it was about trolls. You can almost hear the sucking sound of you all being pulled in lol.


Not me

[graciegirl]

These are what would be considered yard ornaments. In the front yard. Village of Summerhill. Bad Request (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/#/S68.145/Gallery/1?new&preowned&homesites&lng=-81.991962115&lat=28.88243893&lvl=1) A metal pelican!
This one here uses a park bench AS a lawn ornament - can't sit on it, because it's holding potted plants. And then there's that tipped-over decorative, ornamental planter vomiting up white rocks... Bad Request (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/#/S151.2/Gallery/1?new&preowned&homesites&lng=-81.991962115&lat=28.88243893&lvl=1)

Now, I know CYVs are allowed to not have grass. But are they allowed to have garden or yard ornaments? Because this guy in Sanibel has multiple violations! They look terrific too, don't you think? Bad Request (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/#/S950.32/Gallery/1?new&preowned&homesites&lng=-81.991962115&lat=28.88243893&lvl=1)

More garden critters right there in the front for everyone to be offended by, this time in Pine Ridge Bad Request (https://www.thevillages.com/homefinder/#/L38.6/Gallery/1?new&preowned&homesites&lng=-82.00719066543732&lat=28.78764120352772&lvl=1)

These homes are ALL listed for sale on the OFFICIAL Villages Homefinder website. It looks to me that The Villages has no problem at all with these kinds of decorative touches. If they did, they would have made the owners remove them before using these pictures to advertise the homes for sale, don'tya think?

Maybe the rules should be changed. Or maybe people need to stop turning each other in for such trivial and trite infractions that don't actually violate the SPIRIT of the rules at all, but rather, violate the vague, non-specific, non-defined words.

Edited to add: those "bad request" links are to the actual photos, on the official website. They linked me there just fine when I clicked them, should work for you too.

The ARC, (Architectural Review Committee) here reviews and allows some decorations. If only we all had a good sense of what is lovely, there would not be a problem with expressing oneself in yard art. I absolutely support deed restrictions and I would and have made a call. When we returned to our brand new home in Hadley, many years ago, we found a neighbor had moved in and had placed upwards of a dozen THINGS in their front yard. I called. They went away. They didn't seem trivial and trite to me.

Deed restrictions about yard art protect the value of your home and neighborhood and area.

[ron32162]

Complain all you like The Villages does not follow up on any deed restriction complaint. They send out letters and more letters and even more. If the offender just refuses to comply that's the end of it. In my courtyard villa neighborhood try living beside a person that has erected trailer park reflectors on 2 foot stakes surrounding the front yard every 4 ft. Since this person is on a corner lot there on the side of the road also. Its been this way for 2 years now.

[graciegirl]

Complain all you like The Villages does not follow up on any deed restriction complaint. They send out letters and more letters and even more. If the offender just refuses to comply that's the end of it. In my courtyard villa neighborhood try living beside a person that has erected trailer park reflectors on 2 foot stakes surrounding the front yard every 4 ft. Since this person is on a corner lot there on the side of the road also. Its been this way for 2 years now.

There are penalties that are adding up that will be a burden when the property is put up for sale. OR they have not been reported. I kind of feel they have though.

[graciegirl]

VCDD Architectural Review (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/archreview.aspx)

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/download.aspx)

[JoMar]

There are penalties that are adding up that will be a burden when the property is put up for sale. OR they have not been reported. I kind of feel they have though.

Not only the lien against the property but as a neighbor found out, it impacts their credit rating.

[Dan9871]

Complain all you like The Villages does not follow up on any deed restriction complaint. They send out letters and more letters and even more. If the offender just refuses to comply that's the end of it. In my courtyard villa neighborhood try living beside a person that has erected trailer park reflectors on 2 foot stakes surrounding the front yard every 4 ft. Since this person is on a corner lot there on the side of the road also. Its been this way for 2 years now.

Just a couple of years ago deed compliance forced a house remove an out of compliance extension to a patio... it had been out of compliance for 10 or so years before someone complained about it. The do take action.

[caram333]

If someone doesnt report you the "violations" remain in the yard. We got reported for a heron statue. The compliance person had to.pass several other homes with violating lawn ornaments to get to our home. So.if you have nice neighbors you can put anything in your yard and if you have cranky neighbors you get reported. If the rules apply to everyone then the villages should have someone monitoring this so that all residents have to go by the same rules and it is not dependent on whether you have cranky neighbors. So we took our heron down while our neighbors with a water fall ornament, statues and lawn animals were left alone. The reporting system needs to be revised.

[Barefoot]

Enforcement of the rules is necessary to keeping this community clean and neat. I personally hate all the junk people put out in front. Keep it in your backyard, if it allowed and follow the rules. Simple.
IMHO, it's not about cranky neighbors.
It's about the deed restrictions you agreed to when you bought a home in The Villages.
Caram, it might be that even one nice neighbor didn't love your heron statue.

[queasy27]

Was it plain or have a face? A face would be considered a seasonal Halloween decoration. A truly plain one would be a tough call.

The pumpkin was plain/no face, but the historic district doesn't prohibit yard ornaments or impose a time limit for seasonal decorations. I was surprised the complaint was even taken by Community Standards, to be honest.

If someone doesn't report you the "violations" remain in the yard. We got reported for a heron statue. The compliance person had to pass several other homes with violating lawn ornaments to get to our home.

I have no quarrel with deed restrictions or the current reporting system in general, but do think the enforcement folks should be able to submit their own complaints if they see infractions when they're out and about. Ignoring them seems oddly arbitrary to me.

[retiredguy123]

I think there is a legal principle that, if you want to enforce a restriction, you need to be consistent and hold everyone to the same standard. It appears that The Villages is ignoring that principle. Just because someone complains doesn't give The Villages the right to enforce a rule, unless they are enforcing it for everyone. Apparently, they are hoping that no one will take them to court because they would probably lose. The Villages are loaded with lawn ornaments that do not comply with the rules. The enforcement process is flawed.

[Barefoot]

..... the enforcement folks should be able to submit their own complaints if they see infractions when they're out and about. Ignoring them seems oddly arbitrary to me.Actually, that's a dandy idea.

[EdFNJ]

I have no quarrel with deed restrictions or the current reporting system in general, but do think the enforcement folks should be able to submit their own complaints if they see infractions when they're out and about. Ignoring them seems oddly arbitrary to me. It could take years for them to go around and find and report all violations "equally." While I agree 100% with the "rules" (I signed the papers) I would hate for any official agency to report every infraction they ever see as small as they may be. Let the chips fall where they may but let's not even suggest any single official agency check every single home for every visible infraction. While it might be "fair" it would be frightening.

[Odysseus]

No deed restriction for lawn ornaments in my area and that's whats so great about living in the Lady Lake part of The Villages.

[Byte1]

It seems that some insist that "rules are rules" and not to be broken. On the other hand, those same folks are frequently suggesting that "LAWS" can be ignored. Many on here think that illegally invading our borders is NOT an offense, speeding through stop signs in their golf carts, exceeding the 20mph limit imposed by the state related to golf cart speed, passing on a solid yellow line, etc. are just guides and not to be taken seriously. I suggest that only those that have never broken a law or "RULE" proceed to throw stones. But beware, if you are going to throw stones you probably should open your window first, or spotlight your own blemishes. Yes, rules are rules. Rules are guides or standards that can be flexible. I believe in rules also, but only if a violation of such rules is offending a majority. If the community is fine with lawn ornaments, then why is someone else policing that neighborhood. Personally, I enjoy the steel or plaster birds in nicely landscaped yards. Technically, those little dog signs showing a dog pooping on a yard are violations but they don't bother me either. My restrictions say that only a rock or pot is allowed. Does that mean that my solar lights are violations? I am not really asking you, because I do not really care. I drive past one nicely taken care of lawn on my home and they have two very small gnomes, one in their landscaping and one under their eve. The violation does not bother me because I find it interesting and not at all boring. One person's taste is another's spoiled milk. If I am one to violate the rules and my neighbors complain, I will change the offending practice. If I am called out for breaking a rule, I will not fight it if it is a legitimate rule. I agreed to the rules here and will live by them. However, do not presume to act like someone is breaking a statutory law when these are merely civil deed restrictions.
Having a garden gnome or a bird statue does not equate to or imply that a rusted out car on cinder blocks is imminent. Some folks just need something to complain about. We are living in one of the best communities in America and should be celebrating, not condemning and lynching.
This is just my opinion. If opinions did not matter, we would not need 9 justices on the Supreme Court to give their differing opinions on their take on Constitutional Law. We would only need one judge, right?

[photo1902]

It seems that some insist that "rules are rules" and not to be broken. On the other hand, those same folks are frequently suggesting that "LAWS" can be ignored. Many on here think that illegally invading our borders is NOT an offense, speeding through stop signs in their golf carts, exceeding the 20mph limit imposed by the state related to golf cart speed, passing on a solid yellow line, etc. are just guides and not to be taken seriously. I suggest that only those that have never broken a law or "RULE" proceed to throw stones. But beware, if you are going to throw stones you probably should open your window first, or spotlight your own blemishes. Yes, rules are rules. Rules are guides or standards that can be flexible. I believe in rules also, but only if a violation of such rules is offending a majority. If the community is fine with lawn ornaments, then why is someone else policing that neighborhood. Personally, I enjoy the steel or plaster birds in nicely landscaped yards. Technically, those little dog signs showing a dog pooping on a yard are violations but they don't bother me either. My restrictions say that only a rock or pot is allowed. Does that mean that my solar lights are violations? I am not really asking you, because I do not really care. I drive past one nicely taken care of lawn on my home and they have two very small gnomes, one in their landscaping and one under their eve. The violation does not bother me because I find it interesting and not at all boring. One person's taste is another's spoiled milk. If I am one to violate the rules and my neighbors complain, I will change the offending practice. If I am called out for breaking a rule, I will not fight it if it is a legitimate rule. I agreed to the rules here and will live by them. However, do not presume to act like someone is breaking a statutory law when these are merely civil deed restrictions.
Having a garden gnome or a bird statue does not equate to or imply that a rusted out car on cinder blocks is imminent. Some folks just need something to complain about. We are living in one of the best communities in America and should be celebrating, not condemning and lynching.
This is just my opinion. If opinions did not matter, we would not need 9 justices on the Supreme Court to give their differing opinions on their take on Constitutional Law. We would only need one judge, right?

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[Chi-Town]

The pumpkin was plain/no face, but the historic district doesn't prohibit yard ornaments or impose a time limit for seasonal decorations. I was surprised the complaint was even taken by Community Standards, to be honest.







I have no quarrel with deed restrictions or the current reporting system in general, but do think the enforcement folks should be able to submit their own complaints if they see infractions when they're out and about. Ignoring them seems oddly arbitrary to me.

Didnt know that about the historic district. Thanks.

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[Happydaz]

I think there is a legal principle that, if you want to enforce a restriction, you need to be consistent and hold everyone to the same standard. It appears that The Villages is ignoring that principle. Just because someone complains doesn't give The Villages the right to enforce a rule, unless they are enforcing it for everyone. Apparently, they are hoping that no one will take them to court because they would probably lose. The Villages are loaded with lawn ornaments that do not comply with the rules. The enforcement process is flawed.

That is the problem with the Villages system. It is inconsistent in its enforcement of the rules. The Villages is loaded with lawn ornaments. Bird and other statues are everywhere. It seems unfair that if a person has one ornament next to their house and someone complains then they have to remove it, yet their neighbor could have three bird statues in their front yard, but since no one complained The Villages drives right past that house. This is a very unfair system.

[graciegirl]

That is the problem with the Villages system. It is inconsistent in its enforcement of the rules. The Villages is loaded with lawn ornaments. Bird and other statues are everywhere. It seems unfair that if a person has one ornament next to their house and someone complains then they have to remove it, yet their neighbor could have three bird statues in their front yard, but since no one complained The Villages drives right past that house. This is a very unfair system.

As The Villages grew, The developers learned and I think made things better.

The Villages enforces ONLY when someone complains. I personally think it is fine to complain. Some see it as a civic duty.

[graciegirl]

I think there is a legal principle that, if you want to enforce a restriction, you need to be consistent and hold everyone to the same standard. It appears that The Villages is ignoring that principle. Just because someone complains doesn't give The Villages the right to enforce a rule, unless they are enforcing it for everyone. Apparently, they are hoping that no one will take them to court because they would probably lose. The Villages are loaded with lawn ornaments that do not comply with the rules. The enforcement process is flawed.

Be assured that The Villages Inc. have consulted good lawyers and all is clearly defined and enforceable.

[Happydaz]

As The Villages grew, The developers learned and I think made things better.

The Villages enforces ONLY when someone complains. I personally think it is fine to complain. Some see it as a civic duty.

It can turn in to a witch hunt as it pits neighbor against neighbor. The fact that the complaintant stays anonymous makes it worse. Just because The Villages has done this in the past doesn’t make it right. Think about it, if someone complains about your ceramic donkey and you have to remove it, what stops you from then complaining about the 31 houses in your immediate neighborhood that have birds in their front yard?

[CWGUY]

It can turn in to a witch hunt as it pits neighbor against neighbor. The fact that the complaintant stays anonymous makes it worse. Just because The Villages has done this in the past doesn’t make it right. Think about it, if someone complains about your ceramic donkey and you have to remove it, what stops you from then complaining about the 31 houses in your immediate neighborhood that have birds in their front yard?

:ohdear: I'm thinking that if you follow the rules you agreed to.... nobody can turn you in. :oops:

[photo1902]

:ohdear: I'm thinking that if you follow the rules you agreed to.... nobody can turn you in. :oops:

Bingo!

[ValSetz]

Lived in one Village for six years before moving. Next door neighbor had iron dog ornament that was hideous and extended driveway from single entrance to circle. Thought when I moved in under impression 50 percent of lot had to be in grass. Not worth complaining as it would have resulted in an impossible situation for living in a peaceful environment. Moving was easier.

[Challenger]

LoIt can turn in to a witch hunt as it pits neighbor against neighbor. The fact that the complaintant stays anonymous makes it worse. Just because The Villages has done this in the past doesn’t make it right. Think about it, if someone complains about your ceramic donkey and you have to remove it, what stops you from then complaining about the 31 houses in your immediate neighborhood that have birds in their front yard?

Long live Covenants and Restrictions. Much of the reason we moved here was the lack of " tacky junk" in yards and common areas.

[billethkid]

Lo

Long live Covenants and Restrictions. Much of the reason we moved here was the lack of " tacky junk" in yards and common areas.

One man's "tacky junk" is another man's prized possession.
Do away with the anonymity....if one is going to complain, they should be required to sign the complaint!

[coffeebean]

No deed restriction for lawn ornaments in my area and that's whats so great about living in the Lady Lake part of The Villages.

Homes with an abundance of yard art/ornaments do not have an overall appearance of "class". The over abundance of such personal "taste" gives the neighborhood a shoddy feel. Sorry.

[coffeebean]

Didnt know that about the historic district. Thanks.

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This is one reason I prefer not to reside in the historic district. Again....sorry if this offends anyone.

[CWGUY]

Lo

Long live Covenants and Restrictions. Much of the reason we moved here was the lack of " tacky junk" in yards and common areas.

:coolsmiley: I agree 100%. Nobody should have to look at someone's tacky junk. And everyone knows the rules going in. People are only talking about "yard art". What about all the other Deed Restrictions? Do you want a business run out of a house next door? Do you want kids living next door? Do you want a car on the lawn next door with a 4 $ale sign painted on the windshield? etc.

ALL I WANT IS FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THE RULES! AND SOME THINK THAT'S ASKING TOO MUCH. :ohdear:

[CWGUY]

One man's "tacky junk" is another man's prized possession.
Do away with the anonymity....if one is going to complain, they should be required to sign the complaint!

No! The people that need something required of them should be the people not following the rules! :boom:

[billethkid]

That is certainly one way to view it.

[OhioBuckeye]

A while back there was complaint that someone had a White Cross in their yard & was told it would have to be in their mulch area or as some call it in the Eves. I have 2 ways of looking at this. First, it's in my yard that I paid money for, so to put ONLY 1 thing in my yard won't hurt a thing unless I really don't own the grass that I mow. Secondly, I can understand why TV don't want ornaments in the yard because some people get really carried away & have their yards full of junk. If keeping ornaments in the Eves is the rules, keep'em in there!

[OhioBuckeye]

But it’s “ok” to have your back yard which is backed up to the street full of Cactus plants!

OH, I take it you must have a Cactus plant issue?:ohdear:

[Love2Swim]

I personally think its up to the neighbors to report the stuff they don't like. For example, one of our neighbors had 2 metal bird statues in her front yard. They went beautifully with the approximately $10,000 worth of landscaping she had done. All the neighbors raved about how nice it looked. Then one of the troll police, somebody who probably lived about 10 miles away in a different neighborhood, drove through and reported every violation they could find on our street. So, She removed her birds, the other people removed their violations, and a couple of months later, they all put the stuff back up again. If we live in the neighborhood, and everyone is in agreement about what can and shouldn't be there, I think that is enough. If you have a neighbor who overdoes it i.e. goes beyond the bounds of good taste, get neighbors together and go visit the offender and tell them in a nice way, that what they have looks like crap. As far as the logic of "the rules are the rules", for every rule, there seems to be some way around it, or some variance granted based who the person knows, or any variety of strange reasons. You have one set of rules for one neighborhood, another set in another neighborhood. And some of the rules are just plain stupid. I remember reading at one point you couldn't have a tomato plant in your yard. Really? I think that rule might have changed, thank God. I think the ultimate aim is not to get caught up in the whole concept of "the rules" but to get caught up in the concept of keeping neighborhoods looking nice. And yes, there are a lot of crappy looking things in backyards, that meet the "rules", but look a lot worse than a few tasteful lawn ornaments in the front yards. Use some common sense.

[photo1902]

I personally think its up to the neighbors to report the stuff they don't like. For example, one of our neighbors had 2 metal bird statues in her front yard. They went beautifully with the approximately $10,000 worth of landscaping she had done. All the neighbors raved about how nice it looked. Then one of the troll police, somebody who probably lived about 10 miles away in a different neighborhood, drove through and reported every violation they could find on our street. So, She removed her birds, the other people removed their violations, and a couple of months later, they all put the stuff back up again. If we live in the neighborhood, and everyone is in agreement about what can and shouldn't be there, I think that is enough. If you have a neighbor who overdoes it i.e. goes beyond the bounds of good taste, get neighbors together and go visit the offender and tell them in a nice way, that what they have looks like crap. As far as the logic of "the rules are the rules", for every rule, there seems to be some way around it, or some variance granted based who the person knows, or any variety of strange reasons. You have one set of rules for one neighborhood, another set in another neighborhood. And some of the rules are just plain stupid. I remember reading at one point you couldn't have a tomato plant in your yard. Really? I think that rule might have changed, thank God. I think the ultimate aim is not to get caught up in the whole concept of "the rules" but to get caught up in the concept of keeping neighborhoods looking nice. And yes, there are a lot of crappy looking things in backyards, that meet the "rules", but look a lot worse than a few tasteful lawn ornaments in the front yards. Use some common sense.

Common sense and taste are the issue. Everyone has what they think is tasteful. A tomato plant harmful, no, but how about a small garden in a yard? How many tomato plants are appropriate? We all know what we signed up for when we moved here. To those that didn't read the fine print (aka-the Deed Restrictions), too bad for them.

And how do you know someone from 10 miles away was the person who reported the issue. Stop with the hyperbole.

[CWGUY]

Common sense and taste are the issue. Everyone has what they think is tasteful. A tomato plant harmful, no, but how about a small garden in a yard? How many tomato plants are appropriate? We all know what we signed up for when we moved here. To those that didn't read the fine print (aka-the Deed Restrictions), too bad for them.

And how do you know someone from 10 miles away was the person who reported the issue. Stop with the hyperbole.

:agree: Now you need to explain what COMMON SENSE is to some people because they have no idea.

I also agree with the "too bad for them" sentiment.... but I would state it a little :censored: stronger.

[charmed59]

The tackiest thing I’ve seen in yards are those white plastic monstrosities they use to display permits during construction. Actually, I don’t mind if it’s during construction, there are so many trucks you don’t even see the sign. But T and D seems to get 98% done and then can’t get the last sign off, so the white plastic signs stay up for months while a construction truck wanders by for an hour every few weeks. There is one across the street from me on a job started last June. The construction trucks have been gone now since October.

I understand construction never finishes when expected, but can’t they at least have a less obtrusive permit holder.

[Challenger]

One man's "tacky junk" is another man's prized possession.
Do away with the anonymity....if one is going to complain, they should be required to sign the complaint!

Why?

[retiredguy123]

Those portable toilets on your street aren't very attractive either, but it's a great way to save water and toilet paper for awhile.

[CWGUY]

Those portable toilets on your street aren't very attractive either, but it's a great way to save water and toilet paper for awhile.

:eek: And you can always rent out the basement to a SNOWBIRD! :1rotfl:

[Spoiler]

:eek: And you can always rent out the basement to a SNOWBIRD! :1rotfl:

Currently looking for a place for a relative..

Is this lower level still available?

PM me.... :)

[Chellybean]

Now the Fact.
A footprint of a home is considered the full footprint of the house that includes the eve's.
Second the complaint driven enforcement is Selective enforcement and some can consider it unjust and not the law and can go as far as it being discrimination.
Third if it is anonymous the people are cowards to be exposed as unhappy trolls. The ones that do use there names to file a complaint puts the neighbors at opposition against each other and Community Standards Policy is to give out the complainant name. This way Community Standard can control the complaint trolls from attacking neighborhoods.
Usually the trolls are people that have been targeted by other trolls.
The bottom line is it is a poor system designed By the developer to put neighbors and villagers in opposition at each other and indeed is selective enforcement.
However the Community Standards holds the cards in intimidation and penalties and fines.
Don't fold so easy just because Community Standards say its wrong. Do your research and stop the Selective enforcement by Community Standards.
I do agree some things need to be enforced when neighbors get out of control with the Yard Art.
Also Community Standards Attorney Can Not make opinions in how to interpret the law or some Standards Language Only a Judge can form a opinion

[graciegirl]

Now the Fact.
A footprint of a home is considered the full footprint of the house that includes the eve's.
Second the complaint driven enforcement is Selective enforcement and some can consider it unjust and not the law and can go as far as it being discrimination. ???
Third if it is anonymous the people are cowards to be exposed as unhappy trolls.??? The ones that do use there names to file a complaint puts the neighbors at opposition against each other and Community Standards Policy is to give out the complainant name. Nobody gives out anyone's name.This way Community Standard can control the complaint trolls from attacking neighborhoods.???
Usually the trolls are people that have been targeted by other trolls. Usually the people who report people who are not in compliance have reason to do so. Many of us enjoy this place without a lot of schlocky ornamentation.
The bottom line is it is a poor system designed By the developer to put neighbors and villagers in opposition at each other and indeed is selective enforcement.It looks to me that it is a good way to get the job done without extra expense. A little here, a little there and someone has to pay for it.
However the Community Standards holds the cards in intimidation and penalties and fines.
Don't fold so easy just because Community Standards say its wrong. Do your research and stop the Selective enforcement by Community Standards.
I do agree some things need to be enforced when neighbors get out of control with the Yard Art.
Also Community Standards Attorney Can Not make opinions in how to interpret the law or some Standards Language Only a Judge can form a opinion

My money is on the fact that this has all been legally researched and will stand the test.

[Chellybean]

My money is on the fact that this has all been legally researched and will stand the test.

Gracie i usually don't argue with you But to the fact that community standards doesn't give out there name is 100% wrong on your part they absolutely do if you ask!

Second as i said they hold all the cards, and like the post has said if you hire a attorney you are paying both ways, and some peoples principals will do that if they feel wronged.
Third when it comes to a jury trial you never know which way juries will vote.
So take it for it is. If you have a complaint you certainly can get the complainant name if you ask.
If you don't believe me call community standards and ask.
The Complaint has to be against you to get there name.

[Chellybean]

p.s . Usually the people who report people who are not in compliance have reason to do so. Many of us enjoy this place without a lot of schlocky ornamentation
Why is there a reason from someone coming from other neighborhoods to gather addresses to file complaints. Sounds like unhappy Villagers with a ax to grind, and don't tell me that doesn't happen, because it did to our neighborhood and usually moves through other neighborhoods nearby until the individuals feel they have done enough or gets borrowed. Last year it was the whole Villages of St. James

[roob1]

How does Community Standards know who complained, when a complaint is by email? Most email addresses don't ID the sender, and there are anonymous email services to really hide one's identity.

I don't think it is a requirement to provide one's name on a complaint. If it is, please provide the source (location) where this is stated.



Gracie i usually don't argue with you But to the fact that community standards doesn't give out there name is 100% wrong on your part they absolutely do if you ask!

Second as i said they hold all the cards, and like the post has said if you hire a attorney you are paying both ways, and some peoples principals will do that if they feel wronged.
Third when it comes to a jury trial you never know which way juries will vote.
So take it for it is. If you have a complaint you certainly can get the complainant name if you ask.
If you don't believe me call community standards and ask.
The Complaint has to be against you to get there name.

[graciegirl]

Gracie i usually don't argue with you But to the fact that community standards doesn't give out there name is 100% wrong on your part they absolutely do if you ask!

Second as i said they hold all the cards, and like the post has said if you hire a attorney you are paying both ways, and some peoples principals will do that if they feel wronged.
Third when it comes to a jury trial you never know which way juries will vote.
So take it for it is. If you have a complaint you certainly can get the complainant name if you ask.
If you don't believe me call community standards and ask.
The Complaint has to be against you to get there name.

If you call to report a non compliance, they do not ask for your name. I will find the number.



AND HERE IS THE NUMBER AND THE INFO.....VCDD Deed Compliance - Lake County (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/deedrestrict.aspx)

(It SAYS Lake County but it is for everyone.)

[Happydaz]

The lawn ornament trolls hit over 25 homes in our area. It has been reported that the trolls do not live in our neighborhood. Imagine that, people ride through a neighborhood they don’t live in and make out over 25 complaints.

[Garywt]

I understand that we all agree to something when we buy a house here. What I don’t understand or care for is that some people appoint themselves as judge and drive neighborhood to neighborhood looking for things to report. Maybe they got caught themselves or maybe they have nothing better to do.

If it is an employee that finds an issue that is one thing but if it is someone who lives 5 miles from me, why should they care. It kind of falls into the so what and who cares area.

[roob1]

So in your view, the fault lies with the reporters, not the violators.

What difference does it make who cares and who reports a violation? Pure projection on your part...blame others.

If there was no violation in the first place, there would be no issues. If you have the attitude that you can bend the rules because you are "entitled" to, suffer the consequence.



I understand that we all agree to something when we buy a house here. What I don’t understand or care for is that some people appoint themselves as judge and drive neighborhood to neighborhood looking for things to report. Maybe they got caught themselves or maybe they have nothing better to do.

If it is an employee that finds an issue that is one thing but if it is someone who lives 5 miles from me, why should they care. It kind of falls into the so what and who cares area.

[New Englander]

The lawn ornament trolls hit over 25 homes in our area. It has been reported that the trolls do not live in our neighborhood. Imagine that, people ride through a neighborhood they don’t live in and make out over 25 complaints.

People who do this are *$^*@. I can't say what I really want to say because it would be profanity.

[CWGUY]

I understand that we all agree to something when we buy a house here. What I don’t understand or care for is that some people appoint themselves as judge and drive neighborhood to neighborhood looking for things to report. Maybe they got caught themselves or maybe they have nothing better to do.

If it is an employee that finds an issue that is one thing but if it is someone who lives 5 miles from me, why should they care. It kind of falls into the so what and who cares area.

I agree! But it doesn't take away from the fact people are breaking the rules. DON"T BREAK THE RULES AND YOU CAN"T BE REPORTED!
:confused: What part of that do people not understand?

Also I'm still waiting for someone to answer the questions I posted earlier in Post # 88

[CWGUY]

So in your view, the fault lies with the reporters, not the violators.

What difference does it make who cares and who reports a violation? Pure projection on your part...blame others.

If there was no violation in the first place, there would be no issues. If you have the attitude that you can bend the rules because you are "entitled" to, suffer the consequence.

:ho: Thank you! I was beginning to think it was only me. :coolsmiley:

[photo1902]

:ho: Thank you! I was beginning to think it was only me. :coolsmiley:

:a040:

[graciegirl]

Really good reason for deed restrictions in The Villages;

plywood painted lawn ornament of a older lady bending over - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=plywood+painted+lawn+ornament+of+a+older+ lady+bending+over&FORM=HDRSC2)

[caram333]

Totally agree. Something is wrong about this process. It does not make sense.

[Chellybean]

How does Community Standards know who complained, when a complaint is by email? Most email addresses don't ID the sender, and there are anonymous email services to really hide one's identity.

I don't think it is a requirement to provide one's name on a complaint. If it is, please provide the source (location) where this is stated.

you are correct if someone goes anonymous. but not all people go anonymous

[Chellybean]

Really good reason for deed restrictions in The Villages;

plywood painted lawn ornament of a older lady bending over - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=plywood+painted+lawn+ornament+of+a+older+ lady+bending+over&FORM=HDRSC2)


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i DON'T THINK ANY GUY WOULD OBJECT TO THIS YARD ART. LOL
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[karostay]

My Thought's

Can't comply don't buy !

[CWGUY]

My Thought's

Can't comply don't buy !

:agree: ...... and if you do don't cry! :ho:

[roob1]

Chellybean stated earlier:

"Gracie i usually don't argue with you But to the fact that community standards doesn't give out there name is 100% wrong on your part they absolutely do if you ask! Second as i said they hold all the cards..."

How do you figure they hold all the cards, when a complainer identifies themselves? The complainer holds the pertinent card. They can choose to identify themselves or remain anonymous.



you are correct if someone goes anonymous. but not all people go anonymous

[Chellybean]

Chellybean stated earlier:

"Gracie i usually don't argue with you But to the fact that community standards doesn't give out there name is 100% wrong on your part they absolutely do if you ask! Second as i said they hold all the cards..."

How do you figure they hold all the cards, when a complainer identifies themselves? The complainer holds the pertinent card. They can choose to identify themselves or remain anonymous.

What i meant by who holds all the cards is Community Standards holds all the cards,once the complaint has been put in motion

[fw102807]

Back in kindergarten it was called being a tattle tale. Is it wrong? No. Is it childish? Yes.

[graciegirl]

What i meant by who holds all the cards is Community Standards holds all the cards,once the complaint has been put in motion

Chelly, by no means did I mean to disrespect your views but only to correct a very common rumor. You can remain anonymous if you report someone who you think has ignored the deed restrictions.

FW...I do not mean to disrespect you either, but....Tattletale? Whistleblower? Some lawn ornamentation is not pleasing to many people. And some is just plain trashy.

I think some people don't notice lawn ornamentation, and some do. I love the whole "look" of The Villages. I like when you drive down a street here, you see miles and miles of well kept homes and lawns.

[Challenger]

Back in kindergarten it was called being a tattle tale. Is it wrong? No. Is it childish? Yes.

Snitch, Rat, Coward, -------
That is the mantra of many who have violated some rule. Others would see alerting competent authority of a possible violation as Civic duty. They are not "accusers" only eyes and ears of those charged with enforcement responsibility.

[Mikeod]

Here’s another view of the problem. Let’s say your neighborhood either likes or tolerates a yard feature that violates the deed restrictions. Someone from a different neighborhood drives in to visit or maybe just looking at landscaping ideas (very common IMO) and sees the feature. They assume it’s OK, since it’s still there. So they go ahead and put something similar in their yard. Repeat this many times per day, week, month and the problem is epidemic.

There are many residents who accepted the deed restrictions although it meant altering their desires for home and yard decor. But they accepted these restrictions to safeguard their property value and keep the community beautiful. I would ask those who think it’s fine to ignore the restrictions on lawn ornaments what other deed restrictions we can ignore and what ones should be rigidly enforced. The answers to those questions would reveal the chaos that would ensue.

[Groomjo]

I am in Fenney in a courtyard villa and will definitely be calling the villages regarding a house that has at least 15 lawn ornaments. It's an it's an eyesore and looks like a 8 year old decorated it. I hate to do it but we live so close to each other you would think that people would have some common sense.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I looked at a few of the deed restriction documents. They all say that lawn ornaments are prohibited except for seasonal displays for 30 days. I guess someone could make a case that the front patio is not part of the lawn, or that something hanging from the eve is not a lawn ornament. I didn't see any definition for a lawn.

It would seem that as long as the ornaments are changed every month and have something to do with whatever holiday is celebrated that month it would comply with the deed restriction.

January - New Years, MLK, or winter themed ornaments
February Valentine's Day
March - St Patrick's Day
April - Easter
May Springtime or Mother's Day, Memorial Day
June Graduation or Father's Day
July- Independence Day
August - Summertime
September - Back to School, Labor Day
October - Octoberfest, Halloween
November - Thanksgiving.
December - Christmas, Hanukah, Kwanza

I wonder if anyone will try this.

Where I live we have no such ban on lawn ornaments.

Actually, if you're interested in more,

Holidays and observances in United States in 2019 (https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/)

[fw102807]

Here’s another view of the problem. Let’s say your neighborhood either likes or tolerates a yard feature that violates the deed restrictions. Someone from a different neighborhood drives in to visit or maybe just looking at landscaping ideas (very common IMO) and sees the feature. They assume it’s OK, since it’s still there. So they go ahead and put something similar in their yard. Repeat this many times per day, week, month and the problem is epidemic.

There are many residents who accepted the deed restrictions although it meant altering their desires for home and yard decor. But they accepted these restrictions to safeguard their property value and keep the community beautiful. I would ask those who think it’s fine to ignore the restrictions on lawn ornaments what other deed restrictions we can ignore and what ones should be rigidly enforced. The answers to those questions would reveal the chaos that would ensue.

I simply believe that TV created the restriction and TV should be enforcing it. If a cop sees someone speeding is he going to wait to see if someone reports it? I think it is a ridiculous and unfair system to only target people who get reported. (and no I have no yard decorations)

[graciegirl]

I simply believe that TV created the restriction and TV should be enforcing it. If a cop sees someone speeding is he going to wait to see if someone reports it? I think it is a ridiculous and unfair system to only target people who get reported. (and no I have no yard decorations)

This is a good way to have restrictions reported. It is FREE and the reason for these restrictions are not new or different than most places that many of us have lived before.

[NatureBoy]

This far in and no popcorn GIF? :popcorn: :popcorn:

Selective enforcement has a rich history of philosophical & political debate.

"Corruptisima republica plurimae leges." Tacitus (The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.)

“Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville (https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/465.Alexis_de_Tocqueville)

"The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly."
- Abraham Lincoln

"No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it"
- Theodore Roosevelt

An article about HOA selective enforcement. (https://www.hopb.co/blog/facts-about-selective-enforcement-by-an-hoa)

A bunch of great quotes about liberty, government, and the like. (http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/greatquotes.htm)

[EdFNJ]

No deed restriction for lawn ornaments in my area and that's whats so great about living in the Lady Lake part of The Villages.



That “greatness” can also be a negative.

[graciegirl]

This far in and no popcorn GIF? :popcorn: :popcorn:

Selective enforcement has a rich history of philosophical & political debate.

"Corruptisima republica plurimae leges." Tacitus (The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.)

“Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville (https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/465.Alexis_de_Tocqueville)

"The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly."
- Abraham Lincoln

"No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it"
- Theodore Roosevelt

An article about HOA selective enforcement. (https://www.hopb.co/blog/facts-about-selective-enforcement-by-an-hoa)

A bunch of great quotes about liberty, government, and the like. (http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/greatquotes.htm)

"Living in The Villages is a privilege and a choice, not a right". Grace Gantner

[queasy27]

I like when you drive down a street here, you see miles and miles of well kept homes and lawns.

On the other hand: "And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same."

I enjoy a bit of whimsy and personality, which is why I haven't reported any of the violations in my neighborhood. Most of us on the street know that one offender has been undergoing cancer treatment and also lost her dog recently, so the eagle mural on her garage door goes unreported. Kindness or laissez-faire, who can say.

[ColdNoMore]

This far in and no popcorn GIF? :popcorn: :popcorn:

Selective enforcement has a rich history of philosophical & political debate.

"Corruptisima republica plurimae leges." Tacitus (The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.)

“Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville (https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/465.Alexis_de_Tocqueville)

"The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly."
- Abraham Lincoln

"No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it"
- Theodore Roosevelt

An article about HOA selective enforcement. (https://www.hopb.co/blog/facts-about-selective-enforcement-by-an-hoa)

A bunch of great quotes about liberty, government, and the like. (http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/greatquotes.htm)



"Give me pink flamingos...or give me death."




:D

[fw102807]

On the other hand: "And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same."

I enjoy a bit of whimsy and personality, which is why I haven't reported any of the violations in my neighborhood. Most of us on the street know that one offender has been undergoing cancer treatment and also lost her dog recently, so the eagle mural on her garage door goes unreported. Kindness or laissez-faire, who can say.

:bigbow:

[JoMar]

It really only becomes a major issue is when you try to sell your house and people that look at the neighborhood decide they don't want to live there because of the whimsy and personality. That's what impacts prices and length of time on the market. Funny how the live and let live attitude then changes.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It really only becomes a major issue is when you try to sell your house and people that look at the neighborhood decide they don't want to live there because of the whimsy and personality. That's what impacts prices and length of time on the market. Funny how the live and let live attitude then changes.

The same is true if you're trying to sell your house and a would-be homeowner sees 100% conformity with 0% individual personality, and decides to buy elsewhere as a direct result of it.

Rigid restrictions restrict creativity rigidly. Wiggle-room allows for creativity, while maintaining a semblance of order.

[fw102807]

It really only becomes a major issue is when you try to sell your house and people that look at the neighborhood decide they don't want to live there because of the whimsy and personality. That's what impacts prices and length of time on the market. Funny how the live and let live attitude then changes.

I did not move down here to play enforcer and I do not feel it is my responsibility to report people I do not know. If some people get satisfaction in reporting their neighbors I am not one of them.

[Bjeanj]

I agree with this logic completely. And in fact, the person reporting is not declaring that there is an infraction. He / she is asking community standards to determine whether or not there is an infraction.

See above.

So, villagetinker, after 4 pages of this thread, have you gotten your question answered? :ohdear:

[Bogie Shooter]

The same is true if you're trying to sell your house and a would-be homeowner sees 100% conformity with 0% individual personality, and decides to buy elsewhere as a direct result of it.

Rigid restrictions restrict creativity rigidly. Wiggle-room allows for creativity, while maintaining a semblance of order.
Potential buyers know that once they consider The Villages. Didn't we all see the conformity? And we are here.
Problem is the definition of "wiggle-room". Deed restrictions eliminate the question.

[Boomer]

This thread is a classic example of subjective vs. objective.

I have nothing to add except to say that I just noticed CWGUY’s avatar and it made me laugh out loud.

[CWGUY]

Potential buyers know that once they consider The Villages. Didn't we all see the conformity? And we are here.
Problem is the definition of "wiggle-room". Deed restrictions eliminate the question.

:bigbow:

[BobnBev]

"Give me pink flamingos...or give me death."




:D

We'll miss you.

[graciegirl]

The same is true if you're trying to sell your house and a would-be homeowner sees 100% conformity with 0% individual personality, and decides to buy elsewhere as a direct result of it.

Rigid restrictions restrict creativity rigidly. Wiggle-room allows for creativity, while maintaining a semblance of order.


Apparently that is not happening. We are the fastest growing community in the country.

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[villagetinker]

See above.

So, villagetinker, after 4 pages of this thread, have you gotten your question answered? :ohdear:

WOW! did I start up a hornets nest, actually my initial question was answered early on, and I was able to confirm with a detailed review of my deed restrictions, as well as one of the replies. As I noted before, I was NOT the victim of a troll, but I now understand that 35 of my neighbors were.
While I support the anonymous reporting system, I think there needs to be some tweaks to the existing process. This will probably be the subject of another thread.
I wish to thank all who have replied, there have been some interesting and insightful comments.
I also like the neatly kept yards, the houses that do NOT have the purple shutters, etc., and in an ideal world it would be nice if we could pickup the phone call a neighbor and say 'hey your whatever does not appear to be whatever with the neighborhood, would you consider doing (whatever) with it, in the real world, I doubt this would happen on friendly terms. I have a great relationship with all of my neighbors, and was very disappointed when I heard and saw some of the complaints, which was the reason for the initial post.

I any case I am getting an education reading all of the replies.

[CFrance]

WOW! did I start up a hornets nest, actually my initial question was answered early on, and I was able to confirm with a detailed review of my deed restrictions, as well as one of the replies. As I noted before, I was NOT the victim of a troll, but I now understand that 35 of my neighbors were.
While I support the anonymous reporting system, I think there needs to be some tweaks to the existing process. This will probably be the subject of another thread.
I wish to thank all who have replied, there have been some interesting and insightful comments.
I also like the neatly kept yards, the houses that do NOT have the purple shutters, etc., and in an ideal world it would be nice if we could pickup the phone call a neighbor and say 'hey your whatever does not appear to be whatever with the neighborhood, would you consider doing (whatever) with it, in the real world, I doubt this would happen on friendly terms. I have a great relationship with all of my neighbors, and was very disappointed when I heard and saw some of the complaints, which was the reason for the initial post.

I any case I am getting an education reading all of the replies.
This happened in Tamarind Grove a few years back, done by a non resident of our village. (We had nothing out of compliance, so they skipped us.)

I know it was a non resident because she emailed the complaints, and under the FL sunshine laws, a Tamarind Grove owner was able to obtain the email.

[Happydaz]

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[Happydaz]

This happened in Tamarind Grove a few years back, done by a non resident of our village. (We had nothing out of compliance, so they skipped us.)

I know it was a non resident because she emailed the complaints, and under the FL sunshine laws, a Tamarind Grove owner was able to obtain the email.

If you go on the VCDD Community Standards site you will see a list of the districts. You can click on each district to see the rules for that area. They define what lawn ornaments are and where they cannot be displayed. You can also email a complaint directly to Community Standards by clicking on deed compliance. (Deedcompliance@districtgov.org) You could then list addresses and then you would have to specify each exact infraction for that address. Deed compliance only asks removal of objects mentioned at the specific address that was in the complaint. The person who did this in Pinellas did a lot of work and doesn’t even live in our Village.

Our little side of Pinellas is a quiet, small neighborhood that most of us have lived in for close to six years. We have block parties, Rec center parties, and a lot of friendly waving and stopping to chat. We love our neighborhood and everything about it. Yet one day a troll rolled through from another neighborhood turned off on Pinellas Place and drove around our quiet little streets and recorded over 35 complaints and then drove back out of our isolated paradise and back onto Pinellas Place to wherever they live. Neighborhoods should be monitored by that particular Village’s residents only. That is one change I would make on this system. It would still protect property values as people could effect change in their own neighborhood, but it would stop outsiders from invading neighborhoods they don’t live in. Just think, these trolls had to read up on District 9 rules and then launch an assault on our quiet enclave in the Village of Pinellas. We Pinellas Villagers are not happy that an outsider came in and anonymously complained about us. I hope the VCDD makes sure, at least, that this person is an actual Villages resident and has a valid Villages ID card.

[Barefoot]

I understand there are two schools of thought on this issue.
However everyone agreed to the deed restrictions when they bought a home in The Villages.
As CWGUY said: Don't break the rules, and you can't be reported.

[JoMar]

The same is true if you're trying to sell your house and a would-be homeowner sees 100% conformity with 0% individual personality, and decides to buy elsewhere as a direct result of it.

Rigid restrictions restrict creativity rigidly. Wiggle-room allows for creativity, while maintaining a semblance of order.

I think you are mistaken :)

[fw102807]

I understand there are two schools of thought on this issue.
However everyone agreed to the deed restrictions when they bought a home in The Villages.
As CWGUY said: Don't break the rules, and you can't be reported.

I have no problem with the restrictions. I have a problem with how they are enforced.

[Happydaz]

I understand there are two schools of thought on this issue.
However everyone agreed to the deed restrictions when they bought a home in The Villages.
As CWGUY said: Don't break the rules, and you can't be reported.

Then get busy reporting all the infractions in The Villages. What would you estimate? Maybe 40% of the homes have some kind of ornament, flag, etc., that could put them out of compliance? You could then do one neighborhood at a time. Then you could complete an entire Village, then move on to the next Village. And when you finish the whole Villages Community you could start over again as new infractions will have occurred.

[CWGUY]

Then get busy reporting all the infractions in The Villages. What would you estimate? Maybe 40% of the homes have some kind of ornament, flag, etc., that could put them out of compliance? You could then do one neighborhood at a time. Then you could complete an entire Village, then move on to the next Village. And when you finish the whole Villages Community you could start over again as new infractions will have occurred.

:confused: Once again I am confused! Barefoot did not say she wanted to report anyone. I think she was reminding residents that if they follow the rules they don't have to worry about being reported. The people that do the reporting are NOT doing anything wrong. The people that break the rules are taking the chance of being reported. Some are. Some are not.

Some of us follow the rules and love them with no problems. Some don't follow the rules and blame the people that turn them in. What's the saying? THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE! :ho: We are talking about the people that report not the people that don't follow the rules we all agreed too.

[EdFNJ]

Did anyone consider the POSSIBILITY (since there is no proof either way) that the "random trolls from outside The Villages" who "wander aimlessly through a Village reporting infractions" might actually be a person or persons connected with the VCCD or anyone else in The Villages Hierarchy sent out on a reconnaissance mission to keep things in line? Think of it as a random DUI check. Unless of course these people drive around with "I'm a non-Villager narcing around town" bumper stickers. Maybe it's not a neighbor or random stranger ?? Why would any townies give a hoot?

[CWGUY]

Did anyone consider the POSSIBILITY (since there is no proof either way) that the "random trolls from outside The Villages" who "wander aimlessly through a Village reporting infractions" might actually be a person or persons connected with the VCCD or anyone else in The Villages Hierarchy sent out on a reconnaissance mission to keep things in line? Think of it as a random DUI check. Unless of course these people drive around with "I'm a non-Villager narcing around town" bumper stickers. Maybe it's not a neighbor or random stranger ?? Why would any townies give a hoot?

Another possibility ..... a second Troll reporting on people from a "Grassy Knoll" in Dallas. :ho:

[queasy27]

In regards to the problem of selective enforcement, I know homeowners who were reported for a rainbow flag mounted on their garage while a neighbor of theirs with an assortment of plastic wishing wells and ducks was left alone. There's an undercurrent of petty vindictiveness behind some reporting.

Making this the responsibility of Community Standards would alleviate 100% of my own reservations about the current enforcement system (not the restrictions themselves).

It's an interesting legal point, but would the Florida Sunshine Laws (http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/Main/DC0B20B7DC22B7418525791B006A54E4) cover emails send to non-governmental entities?

"This law provides that any records made or received by any public agency in the course of its official business are available for inspection, unless specifically exempted by the Florida Legislature."

[CFrance]

Did anyone consider the POSSIBILITY (since there is no proof either way) that the "random trolls from outside The Villages" who "wander aimlessly through a Village reporting infractions" might actually be a person or persons connected with the VCCD or anyone else in The Villages Hierarchy sent out on a reconnaissance mission to keep things in line? Think of it as a random DUI check. Unless of course these people drive around with "I'm a non-Villager narcing around town" bumper stickers. Maybe it's not a neighbor or random stranger ?? Why would any townies give a hoot?
Interesting thought!

[Garywt]

So in your view, the fault lies with the reporters, not the violators.

What difference does it make who cares and who reports a violation? Pure projection on your part...blame others.

If there was no violation in the first place, there would be no issues. If you have the attitude that you can bend the rules because you are "entitled" to, suffer the consequence.

I just have issues with people looking for problems I guess. Also these people are interpreting the rules to meet what they want to see while others interpret a different way. Some say a lawn is grass so the area that is not mowed is not lawn but yard and the restriction is for the lawn only. The lack of meaning or definition leads to these debates. The restrictions for my house go well beyond the lawn but include no awnings, no storage boxes or sheds etc etc. No issue for us but I have seen these items around but it does not change how I live my life.

[roob1]

The reporters are not interpreting the rules. They are reporting a "possible" violation. Community Standards then decides if a rule is violated. If they feel it is, they take action.

Again, the projection of blame.....


I just have issues with people looking for problems I guess. Also these people are interpreting the rules to meet what they want to see while others interpret a different way. Some say a lawn is grass so the area that is not mowed is not lawn but yard and the restriction is for the lawn only. The lack of meaning or definition leads to these debates. The restrictions for my house go well beyond the lawn but include no awnings, no storage boxes or sheds etc etc. No issue for us but I have seen these items around but it does not change how I live my life.

[NatureBoy]

On the point that "it hurts nobody; if the neighbors are happy, keep your nose out of our business":

People tour the Villages, they visit exploring places to live. If they see various lawn ornaments - or whatever other things that violate the deed restrictions - they will think they can have a house that looks like that. Then they buy and discover they really can't have/do whatever. Now they are grumpy customers/residents. That hurts The Villages' image.

And as has also been pointed out, selective enforcement becomes a weapon that can be used against "undesirables". That sets up an environment of mob rule, not rule of law.

There's a quote out there somewhere that I couldn't find that essentially says: ignoring one law weakens respect for all laws.

So if the lawn ornament rule is so widely ignored & unenforced, it probably ought to be modified. But I doubt it will be. The books have many laws that get selectively enforced, they are political weapons at the ready. Many people like it that way.

[billethkid]

The reporters are not interpreting the rules. They are reporting a "possible" violation. Community Standards then decides if a rule is violated. If they feel it is, they take action.

Again, the projection of blame.....

The action being notified is getting a letter stating the "confirmed"(?) violation.
Which often times goes to the circular file.

No follow up....

Selective, complaint driven system implies no complaints = no violations.
Then there is the assumption that.....the violator knows they are in violation. About the same level of concern as exhibited in the daily continuation of vehicle moving violations...speeding/stop sign running being at the top.

There is no objectivity in selective or complaint driven enforcement....did I mention that?

[graciegirl]

On the point that "it hurts nobody; if the neighbors are happy, keep your nose out of our business":

People tour the Villages, they visit exploring places to live. If they see various lawn ornaments - or whatever other things that violate the deed restrictions - they will think they can have a house that looks like that. Then they buy and discover they really can't have/do whatever. Now they are grumpy customers/residents. That hurts The Villages' image.

And as has also been pointed out, selective enforcement becomes a weapon that can be used against "undesirables". That sets up an environment of mob rule, not rule of law.

There's a quote out there somewhere that I couldn't find that essentially says: ignoring one law weakens respect for all laws.

So if the lawn ornament rule is so widely ignored & unenforced, it probably ought to be modified. But I doubt it will be. The books have many laws that get selectively enforced, they are political weapons at the ready. Many people like it that way.

I think I remember that you are considering living here?

It is my opinion that the "lawn ornament rule" is not widely ignored at all. I have lived here for eleven years. In new areas there is a time when deed restrictions are not processed, until that area is "turned over" to the CDD.

[fw102807]

I refuse to report anyone and my yard is compliant. End of story for me.

[graciegirl]

We live in a small village. All of the homes are compliant. I did not report anyone in this village but I did report a neighbor in our previous village. She had placed more than two dozen items in the front yard.

I didn't dislike her because of that. I was not unkind to her because of that. She asked me about it and I explained the rules. I understand that we each like different things and see beauty in different things. We all have different experiences and expectations from the areas we left behind.

I reported the infringement. The items were removed. She didn't ask me if I reported her and I didn't volunteer the information. I am either a sneaky coward and a yard (will not type that word) or a good citizen or just someone who likes unadorned lawns. The rules were on my side.

Everything You Need To Know About Florida Deed-Restricted HOA Communities - Curri Properties (https://curriproperties.net/everything-you-need-to-know-about-florida-deed-restricted-hoa-communities/)

[retiredguy123]

Where is a good place to buy lawn ornaments?

[dewilson58]

Sometimes I just stand very, very still in my neighbor's yard to see if I get reported.

[Chi-Town]

Interesting lawn sculpture dilemma. Wonder how it turned out.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dinosaurs-couples-front-lawn-yard-turns-heads-planned/story?id=33330576https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190208/d822989a0b11a7bcc585aad33bff5d26.jpg

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[rustyp]

Where is a good place to buy lawn ornaments?

From your neighbor after you blow them in.

[gqd7806]

Comply and quit wasting our time...

[billethkid]

Comply and quit wasting our time...

We must be...haven't heard anything......:)

[Chellybean]

Chelly, by no means did I mean to disrespect your views but only to correct a very common rumor. You can remain anonymous if you report someone who you think has ignored the deed restrictions.

FW...I do not mean to disrespect you either, but....Tattletale? Whistleblower? Some lawn ornamentation is not pleasing to many people. And some is just plain trashy.

I think some people don't notice lawn ornamentation, and some do. I love the whole "look" of The Villages. I like when you drive down a street here, you see miles and miles of well kept homes and lawns.

Gracie girl i took no offence we all have our opinions.
I just wanted everyone to know some people give their names and the practice of the villages is to give there name to the person that got complained against, which i am not sure that is a good idea. the first time someone retaliates against the complainant violently there will be a lawsuits.
Just fyi.
Stay well Everyone.
P.S. we all read the restrictions hopefully before we built, but no one can be prepared for the nonsense that goes along with it.

[Challenger]

Gracie girl i took no offence we all have our opinions.
I just wanted everyone to know some people give their names and the practice of the villages is to give there name to the person that got complained against, which i am not sure that is a good idea. the first time someone retaliates against the complainant violently there will be a lawsuits.
Just fyi.
Stay well Everyone.
P.S. we all read the restrictions hopefully before we built, but no one can be prepared for the nonsense that goes along with it.

Don't understand nonsense comment. Person buys property knowing existing restrictions. If they don't it is ,by definition, their fault, as they are of public record. Someone alerts enforcement authority of a possible violation. Authority investigates and if appropriate begins action to eliminate violation. What is the nonsense?

[VApeople]

P.S. we all read the restrictions hopefully before we built, but no one can be prepared for the nonsense that goes along with it.

The easiest way to "be prepared for the nonsense" is to follow the rules.

[anothersteve]

My God! 18 pages?
Steve

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

On the point that "it hurts nobody; if the neighbors are happy, keep your nose out of our business":

People tour the Villages, they visit exploring places to live. If they see various lawn ornaments - or whatever other things that violate the deed restrictions - they will think they can have a house that looks like that. Then they buy and discover they really can't have/do whatever. Now they are grumpy customers/residents. That hurts The Villages' image.

And as has also been pointed out, selective enforcement becomes a weapon that can be used against "undesirables". That sets up an environment of mob rule, not rule of law.

There's a quote out there somewhere that I couldn't find that essentially says: ignoring one law weakens respect for all laws.

So if the lawn ornament rule is so widely ignored & unenforced, it probably ought to be modified. But I doubt it will be. The books have many laws that get selectively enforced, they are political weapons at the ready. Many people like it that way.

If they see lawn ornaments they might be seeing them in areas of the Villages that ALLOW them. Some areas do allow them afterall. Also as I've said, there's been lawn ornaments in spots throughout the Villages, in areas that don't allow them. And - those are actually homes for sale, on the official Villages Homefinder page. So even The Villages, corporation, has no problem with these decorative touches and uses them to sell homes on their website.

This is why it's a problem. The restrictions aren't the same from one section to the next, and even the restrictions in one spot, aren't enforced universally within that section. It's only enforced if someone complains. If no one is complaining, AND if no one is enforcing the rule even without a complaint, then the rule is no longer valid and should be replaced or reworded.

It seems pretty clear to me, based on this one thread alone, that the current deed restrictions would benefit from revisiting by the boards of whatever is in charge of making them.

[Barefoot]

It's only enforced if someone complains.
And if everyone followed the deed restrictions, complaining would be unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by Chellybean
P.S. we all read the restrictions hopefully before we built, but no one can be prepared for the nonsense that goes along with it.

Response posted by VApeople
The easiest way to "be prepared for the nonsense" is to follow the rules.

[karostay]

I have no problem with the restrictions. I have a problem with how they are enforced.


That's what they say about ICE

[graciegirl]

If they see lawn ornaments they might be seeing them in areas of the Villages that ALLOW them. Some areas do allow them afterall. Also as I've said, there's been lawn ornaments in spots throughout the Villages, in areas that don't allow them. And - those are actually homes for sale, on the official Villages Homefinder page. So even The Villages, corporation, has no problem with these decorative touches and uses them to sell homes on their website.

This is why it's a problem. The restrictions aren't the same from one section to the next, and even the restrictions in one spot, aren't enforced universally within that section. It's only enforced if someone complains. If no one is complaining, AND if no one is enforcing the rule even without a complaint, then the rule is no longer valid and should be replaced or reworded.

It seems pretty clear to me, based on this one thread alone, that the current deed restrictions would benefit from revisiting by the boards of whatever is in charge of making them.

There are few restrictions about lawn art in the beginning three areas; Country Club Hills, Silver Lake and Orange Blossom Gardens. Those are the three Villages Northeast of 441/27.

In the others Deed restrictions are on. You cannot place a for sale sign or a political sign in your yard etc.

It is pretty clear to most of us who live here that we are happy with the deed restrictions the way they are. If you should choose to buy here it is a good idea to go to the free workshop to explain just how a CDD works.

[Happydaz]

And everyone lived happily ever after. The society was perfect and no one ever questioned the system they lived under. Everything ran smoothly and nothing was ever changed.

[graciegirl]

And everyone lived happily ever after. The society was perfect and no one ever questioned the system they lived under. Everything ran smoothly and nothing was ever changed.

I think there are good reasons to effect change in Orlando, but not here. Not all change is good. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Here take a golf cart ride around this paradise;

youtube. golf cart ride in the villages, florida - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube.+golf+cart+ride+in+the+villages%2 c+florida&view=detail&mid=589291E5A6FF98454AFD589291E5A6FF98454AFD&FORM=VIRE)

[Happydaz]

I want the last word.

[DeanFL]

I want the last word.


You must be a married person...

[Bogie Shooter]

If they see lawn ornaments they might be seeing them in areas of the Villages that ALLOW them. Some areas do allow them afterall. Also as I've said, there's been lawn ornaments in spots throughout the Villages, in areas that don't allow them. And - those are actually homes for sale, on the official Villages Homefinder page. So even The Villages, corporation, has no problem with these decorative touches and uses them to sell homes on their website.

This is why it's a problem. The restrictions aren't the same from one section to the next, and even the restrictions in one spot, aren't enforced universally within that section. It's only enforced if someone complains. If no one is complaining, AND if no one is enforcing the rule even without a complaint, then the rule is no longer valid and should be replaced or reworded.

It seems pretty clear to me, based on this one thread alone, that the current deed restrictions would benefit from revisiting by the boards of whatever is in charge of making them.

Not sure you would be happy here.

[Chellybean]

Don't understand nonsense comment. Person buys property knowing existing restrictions. If they don't it is ,by definition, their fault, as they are of public record. Someone alerts enforcement authority of a possible violation. Authority investigates and if appropriate begins action to eliminate violation. What is the nonsense?

My nonsense comment was about trolls coming to other neighborhoods to make multiple complaints against other villagers for revenge for them being disciplined.
My only point is maybe that neighborhood is in agreement with the way there yards have lawn ornaments and like it.
But a troll feels a right to come to other neighborhoods to get everyone to follow the rules so there is NO SELECTIVE enforcement.
Is that enough NONSENSE for you!

[Chellybean]

You must be a married person...

I always get the last two words in my HOUSE!
"I'm Sorry"
God i crack myself up. lol

[graciegirl]

I always get the last two words in my HOUSE!
"I'm Sorry"
God i crack myself up. lol

You have a good heart, fellow!

[Happydaz]

Last word

[Chellybean]

You have a good heart, fellow!

LOL

Maybe but as the old saying goes fight the fights you can will.
"Yes Dear" LMAO

[Happydaz]

Last

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not sure you would be happy here.

Consider your signature line quotes. Apply them to yourself.

Transparency and truth. That's really what this thread is about; the designation (or lack thereof) of transparency and truth.

Truth: There are rules.
Also truth: they are not evenly enforced.
Also truth: rules are often broken, not always intentionally.
Also truth: some peoples' rule-breaks are overlooked for years. Others are addressed immediately, and still others are only addressed if someone complains.

Summary: All of the above, combined, makes for confusion, frustration, and exasperation from the people breaking the rules, the people not breaking them, the people complaining about the breaking, the people complaining about the complainers.

Result: the rules would probably be of more benefit to all, if they were re-visited, made less vague, and better-defined. And then - more evenly enforced.

[Bogie Shooter]

Consider your signature line quotes. Apply them to yourself.

Transparency and truth. That's really what this thread is about; the designation (or lack thereof) of transparency and truth.

Truth: There are rules.
Also truth: they are not evenly enforced.
Also truth: rules are often broken, not always intentionally.
Also truth: some peoples' rule-breaks are overlooked for years. Others are addressed immediately, and still others are only addressed if someone complains.

Summary: All of the above, combined, makes for confusion, frustration, and exasperation from the people breaking the rules, the people not breaking them, the people complaining about the breaking, the people complaining about the complainers.

Result: the rules would probably be of more benefit to all, if they were re-visited, made less vague, and better-defined. And then - more evenly enforced.

I repeat, not sure you would be happy here.

[Happydaz]

“You can’t handle the truth!”

[graciegirl]

Consider your signature line quotes. Apply them to yourself.

Transparency and truth. That's really what this thread is about; the designation (or lack thereof) of transparency and truth.

Truth: There are rules.
Also truth: they are not evenly enforced.
Also truth: rules are often broken, not always intentionally.
Also truth: some peoples' rule-breaks are overlooked for years. Others are addressed immediately, and still others are only addressed if someone complains.

Summary: All of the above, combined, makes for confusion, frustration, and exasperation from the people breaking the rules, the people not breaking them, the people complaining about the breaking, the people complaining about the complainers.

Result: the rules would probably be of more benefit to all, if they were re-visited, made less vague, and better-defined. And then - more evenly enforced.

If someone is bothered about a deed restriction infringement, than they can report it and it will be dealt with. It may not be an infringement and the person may have sought and have been given permission for their lovely dark bronze sand hill crane in the front yard or their beautiful fountain.

AND there is not a way to change the rules in a CDD. It is a privately owned business and when you buy here, you also accept the rules. The choice to live here also comes with some baggage. You will see more older people than you have ever seen in your life. You will see one of the best run businesses you have ever seen. You will be exposed to mini-cultures from all over the country. Some will be too outspoken for you and some very polite and as some describe as "passive aggressive". If you are used to speaking your mind, your thoughts may not be enjoyed by others and if you are used to quietly hoping that the Morse Family will remove the Dalmation statue peeing on the fire hydrant next door....without making a call about it, it won't happen. But flowers are planted at each new season and the bushes and grass and trees along the cart paths are kept lovely without anyone asking. The beautiful accessories in the rec centers are a joy to see and the card table chairs are comfy in the card rooms and there are dozens of volunteers willing to teach you to craft and to paint and to draw and to dance and to clog and to sew quilts.

And you will learn as I have that Bogie Shooter is almost always right.

[Happydaz]

I repeat, not sure you would be happy here.

Who says? Someone here works for The Villages. I wonder who?

[Bogie Shooter]

Who says? Someone here works for The Villages. I wonder who?

Your implication is way off base or maybe just a WAG.
Nope don't work for TV, actually don't work for anybody.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Who says? Someone here works for The Villages. I wonder who?

According to the deed restrictions I just finished reading, the restrictions expire in January 2020 and will be automatically renewed for another 10 years IF there is no vote to change them first.

Some people like the status quo. Some people likes knowing that they can drive into neighborhoods nowhere near their own, for the express purpose of filing formal complaints about perceived violations. Some people get some kind of sick, twisted thrill out of knowing that they've caused upheaval to an entire neighborhood.

And of course some people are adverse to newcomers, snowbirds, and anyone who isn't "just like them." Which would be just fine, if this wasn't a senior community where the average lifespan from move-in to funeral home is less than 30 years. At some point - y'all will have vacant homes next to you. SOMEONE will be moving in, like it or not. It can be rats and other vermin as a result of abandonment, or it can be neighbors who you might or might not want to hang out with. It might even be neighbors who don't really want to move there, but that's the best they could find in their particular circumstances.

You can be "stuck" with the results, or you can embrace the results. Your mileage may vary but I'd think carefully about who you choose to shun and dismiss. They could become your next door neighbor.

[Bogie Shooter]

according to the deed restrictions i just finished reading, the restrictions expire in january 2020 and will be automatically renewed for another 10 years if there is no vote to change them first.

Some people like the status quo. Some people likes knowing that they can drive into neighborhoods nowhere near their own, for the express purpose of filing formal complaints about perceived violations. Some people get some kind of sick, twisted thrill out of knowing that they've caused upheaval to an entire neighborhood.

And of course some people are adverse to newcomers, snowbirds, and anyone who isn't "just like them." which would be just fine, if this wasn't a senior community where the average lifespan from move-in to funeral home is less than 30 years. At some point - y'all will have vacant homes next to you. Someone will be moving in, like it or not. It can be rats and other vermin as a result of abandonment, or it can be neighbors who you might or might not want to hang out with. It might even be neighbors who don't really want to move there, but that's the best they could find in their particular circumstances.

You can be "stuck" with the results, or you can embrace the results. Your mileage may vary but i'd think carefully about who you choose to shun and dismiss. They could become your next door neighbor.
wow!

[graciegirl]

According to the deed restrictions I just finished reading, the restrictions expire in January 2020 and will be automatically renewed for another 10 years IF there is no vote to change them first.

Some people like the status quo. Some people likes knowing that they can drive into neighborhoods nowhere near their own, for the express purpose of filing formal complaints about perceived violations. Some people get some kind of sick, twisted thrill out of knowing that they've caused upheaval to an entire neighborhood.

And of course some people are adverse to newcomers, snowbirds, and anyone who isn't "just like them." Which would be just fine, if this wasn't a senior community where the average lifespan from move-in to funeral home is less than 30 years. At some point - y'all will have vacant homes next to you. SOMEONE will be moving in, like it or not. It can be rats and other vermin as a result of abandonment, or it can be neighbors who you might or might not want to hang out with. It might even be neighbors who don't really want to move there, but that's the best they could find in their particular circumstances.

You can be "stuck" with the results, or you can embrace the results. Your mileage may vary but I'd think carefully about who you choose to shun and dismiss. They could become your next door neighbor.

There have been a few people who have reported lots of infringements, but it is a rare happening. I say this because I live here and I read this forum and others. You are jumping to conclusions. But if they did, they would be within their rights to do it. And maybe they aren't trying to get some "sick twisted thrill out of causing upheaval to a whole neighborhood". The truth is that a large majority of people who live here, like deed restrictions.

I didn't see any evidence of anyone shunning anyone, but some of us didn't agree with some views. No one made anyone move here with all of these deed restrictions. There are very few vacant homes for very long anywhere in The Villages, unless they smell like cigarette smoke, cat pee, or are gross and over priced.

[Happydaz]

According to the deed restrictions I just finished reading, the restrictions expire in January 2020 and will be automatically renewed for another 10 years IF there is no vote to change them first.

Some people like the status quo. Some people likes knowing that they can drive into neighborhoods nowhere near their own, for the express purpose of filing formal complaints about perceived violations. Some people get some kind of sick, twisted thrill out of knowing that they've caused upheaval to an entire neighborhood.

And of course some people are adverse to newcomers, snowbirds, and anyone who isn't "just like them." Which would be just fine, if this wasn't a senior community where the average lifespan from move-in to funeral home is less than 30 years. At some point - y'all will have vacant homes next to you. SOMEONE will be moving in, like it or not. It can be rats and other vermin as a result of abandonment, or it can be neighbors who you might or might not want to hang out with. It might even be neighbors who don't really want to move there, but that's the best they could find in their particular circumstances.

You can be "stuck" with the results, or you can embrace the results. Your mileage may vary but I'd think carefully about who you choose to shun and dismiss. They could become your next door neighbor.

Very interesting! It looks like people could effect changes in the deed compliance program. I would lobby that only Villagers with a valid Villages ID and who live within the affected Village could register a complaint. The email complaint system allows for abuse. When I looked at the VCDD site on deed compliance it looked like anyone, anywhere could make a complaint. No place for Village ID number, or name on the email form. That would mean non Villagers could make a complaint.

If changes can be made in 2020, then people should look to make changes if they wish. I must say that I agree with the concept of deed restrictions. It does make for our beautiful Villages environment. We love it here and we would not want to see any drastic changes, but a small change here and there that is desired by the majority of Villagers would be OK with me.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Very interesting! It looks like people could effect changes in the deed compliance program. I would lobby that only Villagers with a valid Villages ID and who live within the affected Village could register a complaint. The email complaint system allows for abuse. When I looked at the VCDD site on deed compliance it looked like anyone, anywhere could make a complaint. No place for Village ID number, or name on the email form. That would mean non Villagers could make a complaint.

If changes can be made in 2020, then people should look to make changes if they wish. I must say that I agree with the concept of deed restrictions. It does make for our beautiful Villages environment. We love it here and we would not want to see any drastic changes, but a small change here and there that is desired by the majority of Villagers would be OK with me.

This seems the most reasonable response to the situation. The situation being - the demographics of the community have changed. The original deed restrictions are due for renewal or change, and if there are that many violations (36 in just one neighborhood, according to this thread), then perhaps some of the restrictions need to be adjusted.

Not eradicated - I agree with you. Restrictions maintain a certain standard of upkeep and keep the property values reasonable. But maybe an "under the eaves is now acceptable, and no tacky flamingos, period!" could be an addendum.

Things like that.

[queasy27]

And everyone lived happily ever after. The society was perfect and no one ever questioned the system they lived under. Everything ran smoothly and nothing was ever changed.

Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.

[Henryk]

Very interesting! It looks like people could effect changes in the deed compliance program. I would lobby that only Villagers with a valid Villages ID and who live within the affected Village could register a complaint. The email complaint system allows for abuse. When I looked at the VCDD site on deed compliance it looked like anyone, anywhere could make a complaint. No place for Village ID number, or name on the email form. That would mean non Villagers could make a complaint.

If changes can be made in 2020, then people should look to make changes if they wish. I must say that I agree with the concept of deed restrictions. It does make for our beautiful Villages environment. We love it here and we would not want to see any drastic changes, but a small change here and there that is desired by the majority of Villagers would be OK with me.

The email system is not so bad—mostly.

It has been said already, email is public record. I called the district, asked for a copy of all complaints over a period in my village. I received copies of emails and letters.

Bottom line, if you wish to remain anonymous, don’t give your name in any form.

[Happydaz]

If anyone wants more information on the Pinellas neighborhood in question they could attend the next District #9 meeting on February 14 at 1:30 PM at the District Administration office on 984 Old Mill Run, The Villages. Phone 352-751-3939. I think fair minded VillageTinker would be a good representative to have at that meeting, if he so wished.

[Dan9871]

According to the deed restrictions I just finished reading, the restrictions expire in January 2020 and will be automatically renewed for another 10 years IF there is no vote to change them first.



The Duration clause of our our deed covenants say they remain in force until Jan. 2042 and that time are automatically renewed unless the developer decides otherwise. I don't see anything about a vote to change or who would be able to vote if there was a vote.

Also the developer has the right to amend the covenants. It looks like the developer did that to our covenants after we bought our house.

A quick look at covenants for other subdivisions in our area appear to be about the same.



"Duration

The covenants and restrictions of this Declaration shall run with and bind the land, and shall inure to the benefit of and be enforceable by the Developer, or any Owner until the first day of January 2042 (except as elsewhere herein expressly provided otherwise). After the first day of January 2042, said covenants, restrictions, reservations and servitudes shall be automatically extended for successive periods of ten (10) years unless an instrument signed by the Developer or his assignee shall be recorded, which instrument shall alter, amend, enlarge, extend or repeal, in whole or in part, said covenants, restrictions, reservations and servitude. "

Amendments

The Developer shall have the right to amend the Covenants and Restrictions of this Declaration from time to time by duly recording an instrument executed and acknowledged by the Developer in the public records of the county where the Subdivision is located. "

[villagetinker]

If anyone wants more information on the Pinellas neighborhood in question they could attend the next District #9 meeting on February 14 at 1:30 PM at the District Administration office on 984 Old Mill Run, The Villages. Phone 352-751-3939. I think fair minded VillageTinker would be a good representative to have at that meeting, if he so wished.

All, I would like to attend, but I have a prior commitment, so in my absence I offer the following:

First the deed restrictions would remain INTACT, but the IMPLEMENTATION of the complaint system would be changed. Here is my suggestion:

Suggested new annonomous complaint procedure.

1. Anyone desiring to file complaint would be required to get a form from Community Standards (either online or at the office). Community Standards will design the form. Phoned in complaints will no longer be accepted.

2. The complainer would fill out the form, which would include the nature of the complaint, the location of the infraction, and whether it is a serious infraction. Serious infractions would involve, buildings, water flow/drainage, infraction of build lines, permits, etc. Minor infractions would typically be signs, lawn ornaments etc.

3. One (1) complaint per form.

4. The completed form would need to presented in person, with complainer’s village photo ID to the VCDD. The reason for this is that going forward, only people living in the same village would be allowed to file complaints in that village.

5. There will be a charge to be paid for each complaint filed, cash only. The charge could start at say $10 per complaint, and be adjusted as necessary to limit “troll” activity. To maintain anonymity, there will be NO receipts or records of the payment.

6. If the review board finds the complaint to be valid, then the existing procedures will be used to get the property into compliance.

IMHO, I think this approach addresses many if not all of the 'problems' with the existing system. I had actually contacted Community Standards previously with something similar, but it was shot down, the suggestion above was modified to eliminate that concern.

PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER...........
:popcorn::popcorn:

[graciegirl]

All, I would like to attend, but I have a prior commitment, so in my absence I offer the following:

First the deed restrictions would remain INTACT, but the IMPLEMENTATION of the complaint system would be changed. Here is my suggestion:

Suggested new annonomous complaint procedure.

1. Anyone desiring to file complaint would be required to get a form from Community Standards (either online or at the office). Community Standards will design the form. Phoned in complaints will no longer be accepted.

2. The complainer would fill out the form, which would include the nature of the complaint, the location of the infraction, and whether it is a serious infraction. Serious infractions would involve, buildings, water flow/drainage, infraction of build lines, permits, etc. Minor infractions would typically be signs, lawn ornaments etc.

3. One (1) complaint per form.

4. The completed form would need to presented in person, with complainer’s village photo ID to the VCDD. The reason for this is that going forward, only people living in the same village would be allowed to file complaints in that village.

5. There will be a charge to be paid for each complaint filed, cash only. The charge could start at say $10 per complaint, and be adjusted as necessary to limit “troll” activity. To maintain anonymity, there will be NO receipts or records of the payment.

6. If the review board finds the complaint to be valid, then the existing procedures will be used to get the property into compliance.

IMHO, I think this approach addresses many if not all of the 'problems' with the existing system. I had actually contacted Community Standards previously with something similar, but it was shot down, the suggestion above was modified to eliminate that concern.

PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER...........
:popcorn::popcorn:

You have thought of a great idea, but I doubt if things will be changed. I would not be hesitant to do that. I have every reason to believe that there would still be anonymity.

This is the problem in a nutshell. Some folks have been raised to speak up and speak out and are used to such interchanges and others have been raised to not confront someone with a transgression. It is simply how we were raised, what our parents did and what they expected of us. One thinks the other a wimp and the other thinks the one is crassly outspoken.

[ColdNoMore]

"...only people living in the same village would be allowed to file complaints in that village."


While I personally couldn't imagine the boredom and/or pettiness it takes to drive around the entire bubble looking for covenant/deed violations, I totally disagree with this sentiment...as well as the requirement to identify yourself or pay a "filing fee."

Law enforcement acts on anonymous tips all of the time, why would anyone think that just because we live in The Villages...we should be that 'special and/or entitled?' :oops:

IMHO, that kind of action simply nourishes the already unfair stereotype...that a lot of locals have about all of us. :ohdear:

Bottom line, either don't violate the rules, or if you do and get caught, don't whine about it...just stand up and take your medicine. :shrug:

[ColdNoMore]

Don't understand nonsense comment.

Person buys property knowing existing restrictions.

If they don't it is ,by definition, their fault, as they are of public record.

Someone alerts enforcement authority of a possible violation.

Authority investigates and if appropriate begins action to eliminate violation.

What is the nonsense?

Accurate and succinct...I like it. :thumbup:

[Happydaz]

All, I would like to attend, but I have a prior commitment, so in my absence I offer the following:

First the deed restrictions would remain INTACT, but the IMPLEMENTATION of the complaint system would be changed. Here is my suggestion:

Suggested new annonomous complaint procedure.

1. Anyone desiring to file complaint would be required to get a form from Community Standards (either online or at the office). Community Standards will design the form. Phoned in complaints will no longer be accepted.

2. The complainer would fill out the form, which would include the nature of the complaint, the location of the infraction, and whether it is a serious infraction. Serious infractions would involve, buildings, water flow/drainage, infraction of build lines, permits, etc. Minor infractions would typically be signs, lawn ornaments etc.

3. One (1) complaint per form.

4. The completed form would need to presented in person, with complainer’s village photo ID to the VCDD. The reason for this is that going forward, only people living in the same village would be allowed to file complaints in that village.

5. There will be a charge to be paid for each complaint filed, cash only. The charge could start at say $10 per complaint, and be adjusted as necessary to limit “troll” activity. To maintain anonymity, there will be NO receipts or records of the payment.

6. If the review board finds the complaint to be valid, then the existing procedures will be used to get the property into compliance.

IMHO, I think this approach addresses many if not all of the 'problems' with the existing system. I had actually contacted Community Standards previously with something similar, but it was shot down, the suggestion above was modified to eliminate that concern.

PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER...........
:popcorn::popcorn:

Some excellent points! I think we will have to find someone else to make that meeting. We probably would want to canvass other neighbors and determine what they would like to see brought forward to VCDD. I know that there are concerned persons in the neighborhood who are upset with the implementation and extensive scope of this issue as it affected our small neighborhood in the Village of Pinellas. Judging by the demeanor of the VCDD people who came around to our homes I don’t think VCDD was in favor of the abuse of the complaint system when over 35 homes were affected. Who knows, maybe something will come from our discussions with VCDD. It certainly is within our rights to attend this meeting and make our concerns known. The Villages has a system in place for Villagers to attend these meetings and to utilize this democratic process.

[Challenger]

All, I would like to attend, but I have a prior commitment, so in my absence I offer the following:

First the deed restrictions would remain INTACT, but the IMPLEMENTATION of the complaint system would be changed. Here is my suggestion:

Suggested new annonomous complaint procedure.

1. Anyone desiring to file complaint would be required to get a form from Community Standards (either online or at the office). Community Standards will design the form. Phoned in complaints will no longer be accepted.

2. The complainer would fill out the form, which would include the nature of the complaint, the location of the infraction, and whether it is a serious infraction. Serious infractions would involve, buildings, water flow/drainage, infraction of build lines, permits, etc. Minor infractions would typically be signs, lawn ornaments etc.

3. One (1) complaint per form.

4. The completed form would need to presented in person, with complainer’s village photo ID to the VCDD. The reason for this is that going forward, only people living in the same village would be allowed to file complaints in that village.

5. There will be a charge to be paid for each complaint filed, cash only. The charge could start at say $10 per complaint, and be adjusted as necessary to limit “troll” activity. To maintain anonymity, there will be NO receipts or records of the payment.

6. If the review board finds the complaint to be valid, then the existing procedures will be used to get the property into compliance.

IMHO, I think this approach addresses many if not all of the 'problems' with the existing system. I had actually contacted Community Standards previously with something similar, but it was shot down, the suggestion above was modified to eliminate that concern.

PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER...........
:popcorn::popcorn:
None of thee points would survive the first court challenge.

[CFrance]

None of thee points would survive the first court challenge.
Challenger, do you believe the "one complaint per form" idea would not survive a legal challenge? I like that idea, as it would take a lot more work for the troll-type people who run around in a golf cart with a notepad and a desire to cause trouble.


I favor the deed restrictions totally. People should just follow what they agreed to, and we'd have no problems. As well, I'm all for the anonymous complaint system if TV is not going to police its own rules. But from time to time it does get out of hand.

[Challenger]

Challenger, do you believe the "one complaint per form" idea would not survive a legal challenge? I like that idea, as it would take a lot more work for the troll-type people who run around in a golf cart with a notepad and a desire to cause trouble.


I favor the deed restrictions totally. People should just follow what they agreed to, and we'd have no problems. As well, I'm all for the anonymous complaint system if TV is not going to police its own rules. But from time to time it does get out of hand.
Maybe that one would , although , those challenging the rule would attack it as merely a method to deter people from exercising their right to report on what, in their opinion, might be a violation. Any procedure installed would need to be reasonable.

Wonder what would happen if someone placed a Buddha in their front yard (as opposed to a cross)???

[CFrance]

Maybe that one would , although , those challenging the rule would attack it as merely a method to deter people from exercising their right to report on what, in their opinion, might be a violation. Any procedure installed would need to be reasonable.

Wonder what would happen if someone placed a Buddha in their front yard (as opposed to a cross)???
It might depend on the neighborhood. I know one where it might be accepted...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Challenger, do you believe the "one complaint per form" idea would not survive a legal challenge? I like that idea, as it would take a lot more work for the troll-type people who run around in a golf cart with a notepad and a desire to cause trouble.


I favor the deed restrictions totally. People should just follow what they agreed to, and we'd have no problems. As well, I'm all for the anonymous complaint system if TV is not going to police its own rules. But from time to time it does get out of hand.

People should follow what they agreed to, yes. But not everyone does. The enforcement is not done evenly, and is complaint-driven, rather than pro-active. This results in people moving in, seeing that three neighbors on one side of their home, one on the other, and two across the street ALL have "x ornament" on their front lawn. They think it's a pretty nifty ornament, and figure - well these people have lived here for years and no one's made them move these ornaments - so obviously this rule is not enforced.

And they would be 100% correct. If you're going to have a rule, it needs to a) be enforceable and b) be enforced. If you're going to ignore either a or b then just ditch the rule. Come up with a different way of maintaining the overall look of the community.

Or invite the neighbors in the community to meet and discuss this rule, and see if they might want to adjust it for the current generation of residents.

In 1936, the speed limit anywhere in Utah was 35MPH. Anyone who moved there agreed to follow that law. Fast forward to 2019, and the speed limit is no longer 35MPH maximum in the entire state of Utah. Why? Because things changed. People and society evolved. Technology improved, safety precautions were invented.

Just because you agreed to a rule 20 or 30 years ago, doesn't mean it's a rule worth having today. That is why they have meetings and votes.

[patfla06]

[QUOTE=Mikeod;1622819]Here’s another view of the problem. Let’s say your neighborhood either likes or tolerates a yard feature that violates the deed restrictions. Someone from a different neighborhood drives in to visit or maybe just looking at landscaping ideas (very common IMO) and sees the feature. They assume it’s OK, since it’s still there. So they go ahead and put something similar in their yard. Repeat this many times per day, week, month and the problem is epidemic.

There are many residents who accepted the deed restrictions although it meant altering their desires for home and yard decor. But they accepted these restrictions to safeguard their property value and keep the community beautiful. I would ask those who think it’s fine to ignore the restrictions on lawn ornaments what other deed restrictions we can ignore and what ones should be rigidly enforced. The answers to those questions would reveal the chaos that would ensue.[/QUOTE

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[CFrance]

People should follow what they agreed to, yes. But not everyone does. The enforcement is not done evenly, and is complaint-driven, rather than pro-active. This results in people moving in, seeing that three neighbors on one side of their home, one on the other, and two across the street ALL have "x ornament" on their front lawn. They think it's a pretty nifty ornament, and figure - well these people have lived here for years and no one's made them move these ornaments - so obviously this rule is not enforced.

And they would be 100% correct. If you're going to have a rule, it needs to a) be enforceable and b) be enforced. If you're going to ignore either a or b then just ditch the rule. Come up with a different way of maintaining the overall look of the community.

Or invite the neighbors in the community to meet and discuss this rule, and see if they might want to adjust it for the current generation of residents.

In 1936, the speed limit anywhere in Utah was 35MPH. Anyone who moved there agreed to follow that law. Fast forward to 2019, and the speed limit is no longer 35MPH maximum in the entire state of Utah. Why? Because things changed. People and society evolved. Technology improved, safety precautions were invented.

Just because you agreed to a rule 20 or 30 years ago, doesn't mean it's a rule worth having today. That is why they have meetings and votes.
You're talking about a state vs a developer-owned community.


To me it wouldn't matter if everyone around me is not following the rules. I agreed to them and I will follow them, because I think the rules are worthwhile. Those flaunting the rules are taking their chances. I hope they will be brought into compliance.



If something looked very bad and threatened the value of the community, I would file a complaint. But I also wish the developer family would step up and enforce its own rules. I think they don't want to spend the money, and that's too bad.

[graciegirl]

People should follow what they agreed to, yes. But not everyone does. The enforcement is not done evenly, and is complaint-driven, rather than pro-active. This results in people moving in, seeing that three neighbors on one side of their home, one on the other, and two across the street ALL have "x ornament" on their front lawn. They think it's a pretty nifty ornament, and figure - well these people have lived here for years and no one's made them move these ornaments - so obviously this rule is not enforced.

And they would be 100% correct. If you're going to have a rule, it needs to a) be enforceable and b) be enforced. If you're going to ignore either a or b then just ditch the rule. Come up with a different way of maintaining the overall look of the community.

Or invite the neighbors in the community to meet and discuss this rule, and see if they might want to adjust it for the current generation of residents.

In 1936, the speed limit anywhere in Utah was 35MPH. Anyone who moved there agreed to follow that law. Fast forward to 2019, and the speed limit is no longer 35MPH maximum in the entire state of Utah. Why? Because things changed. People and society evolved. Technology improved, safety precautions were invented.

Just because you agreed to a rule 20 or 30 years ago, doesn't mean it's a rule worth having today. That is why they have meetings and votes.

We have no deed restrictions challenged in our entire village. The new areas it is more widespread, as they have not been turned over to the CDD yet. AND....TheY do not have "meetings and votes". This is a CDD form of government. This is a government run by the developer and we voted on it when we bought our homes. This place is not like any place any of us lived before. No one can come here and change things. Sometimes they act on suggestions, and I think they have thought things out well, but it would be chaos and financially unfeasible for everyone to have a say in this or that. Some want not only heated pools but cooled pools in the summer. Some want lockers at the sports pools. Some want indoor pools and more dog parks and more softball fields and more pickleball courts. Some want ways to identify golf carts so they can be policed better. Some want real gates, which means we would undertake the financial burden of the streets.Some want separate walking paths from the cart paths. Some want someone watching to see that no one saves seats and some want a parking patrol. In no time if everyone got what she/he wanted the price to live here would go sky high. As it is now, it is affordable for most people and we have many different levels of earnings here. I like it like it is and it really runs well the way it is.

[CFrance]

Some things could be made better/safer/more convenient for very little money. I think Harold would have a slightly different approach than the kids.

[CWGUY]

[QUOTE=patfla06;1623538][QUOTE=Mikeod;1622819]Here’s another view of the problem. Let’s say your neighborhood either likes or tolerates a yard feature that violates the deed restrictions. Someone from a different neighborhood drives in to visit or maybe just looking at landscaping ideas (very common IMO) and sees the feature. They assume it’s OK, since it’s still there. So they go ahead and put something similar in their yard. Repeat this many times per day, week, month and the problem is epidemic.

There are many residents who accepted the deed restrictions although it meant altering their desires for home and yard decor. But they accepted these restrictions to safeguard their property value and keep the community beautiful. I would ask those who think it’s fine to ignore the restrictions on lawn ornaments what other deed restrictions we can ignore and what ones should be rigidly enforced. The answers to those questions would reveal the chaos that would ensue.


:coolsmiley: I asked that 5 days ago in post #88...... still waiting for an answer. :popcorn:

[Challenger]

[QUOTE=CWGUY;1623567][QUOTE=patfla06;1623538][QUOTE=Mikeod;1622819]Here’s another view of the problem. Let’s say your neighborhood either likes or tolerates a yard feature that violates the deed restrictions. Someone from a different neighborhood drives in to visit or maybe just looking at landscaping ideas (very common IMO) and sees the feature. They assume it’s OK, since it’s still there. So they go ahead and put something similar in their yard. Repeat this many times per day, week, month and the problem is epidemic.

There are many residents who accepted the deed restrictions although it meant altering their desires for home and yard decor. But they accepted these restrictions to safeguard their property value and keep the community beautiful. I would ask those who think it’s fine to ignore the restrictions on lawn ornaments what other deed restrictions we can ignore and what ones should be rigidly enforced. The answers to those questions would reveal the chaos that would ensue.


:coolsmiley: I asked that 5 days ago in post #88...... still waiting for an answer. :popcorn:[/QUOTE

Bingo!!!!

[VApeople]

what other deed restrictions we can ignore

Simple question with a simple answer - You can ignore all of the deed restrictions.

Of course, if there is a complaint lodged against you, you will probably have to rectify the situation or you will be forced to leave TV.

[Chellybean]

Simple question with a simple answer - You can ignore all of the deed restrictions.

Of course, if there is a complaint lodged against you, you will probably have to rectify the situation or you will be forced to leave TV.

OMG no one can force you to leave the villages they don't have that power.
Please lets not over reach.

[Bogie Shooter]

Simple question with a simple answer - You can ignore all of the deed restrictions.

Of course, if there is a complaint lodged against you, you will probably have to rectify the situation or you will be forced to leave TV.

Would like to know where you got this information. In 16 years I have never heard of someone being evicted for deed violations. Or anyone forced to leave TV.

[EviesGP]

Although I like the way the VillageTinker tinks, and don't like trolls(or busy body people myself), I don't think a fee would be appropriate, I also tink that there's a difference between a simple gnome on a front yard, and thirteen pink flamingos? Like Gracie, and many others, I adore the beauty of this community, and want it to stay that way. But, I also love the "Friendliest Village" slogan, and see it every day. And I want to keep it that way, by not feeling we have to go around trolling streets and neighborhoods, to find everything that may be a violation, and upsetting people? Enough said.

[Challenger]

Simple question with a simple answer - You can ignore all of the deed restrictions.

Of course, if there is a complaint lodged against you, you will probably have to rectify the situation or you will be forced to leave TV.

Nonsense

[villagetinker]

I want to make some clarifications.

The changes I proposed are in the INITIATION of a complaint, as far as I know this is entirely under the control of COMMUNITY STANDARDS, not the individual CDDs etc. All complaints currently go typically by phone to the Community Standards office, and community standards then investigates these complaints.

The charge for registering a complaint and the need to personally present the complaint are aimed to limit overuse of the system by what is commonly referred to as "trolls", and was modified to maintain anonymity.

I do not think IMHO) there would be a legal challenge, as the current system is just the way it is currently being done, and this would be a change in the way it is being done. I do not recall seeing any paperwork that made the existing system of registering a complaint legally binding. As a matter of fact you can file by email, by letter, or in person now, BUT the Community Standards usually suggests not doing this as ALL of these records are public under Florida Law, a walk in verbal complaint, or form with on personal information would still maintain anonymity.

I have not had a chance to investigate when Community Standards meets or how to have the ideas I presented here formally presented for CS to look at.

Just my thoughts.

[Two Bills]

Simple question with a simple answer - You can ignore all of the deed restrictions.

Of course, if there is a complaint lodged against you, you will probably have to rectify the situation or you will be forced to leave TV.

Can't wait for the headline.

Thousands evicted from The Villages. Now have no Gnome to go to!

[VApeople]

Simple question with a simple answer - You can ignore all of the deed restrictions.

Of course, if there is a complaint lodged against you, you will probably have to rectify the situation or you will be forced to leave TV.

OK, for those who disagree with my point of view, here is a question:

What would happen to a person who refuses to follow a deed restriction?

For example, what happens to a person who refuses to remove an offensive lawn ornament?

[CWGUY]

OK, for those who disagree with my point of view, here is a question:

What would happen to a person who refuses to follow a deed restriction?

For example, what happens to a person who refuses to remove an offensive lawn ornament?

Here's my answer..... Anyone who lives here SHOULD know the answer already! If you don't they hold classes for people to learn the way the Villages works. :ho:

[VApeople]

What would happen to a person who refuses to follow a deed restriction?

For example, what happens to a person who refuses to remove an offensive lawn ornament?

Here's my answer..... Anyone who lives here SHOULD know the answer already!

OK, so what is the answer that "Anyone who lives here SHOULD know"?

[CWGUY]

:clap2: VCDD Community Standards (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/DistrictAdoptedRules.aspx)

Do you know what District you live in? Didn't you read all this before buying?

[Bogie Shooter]

OK, for those who disagree with my point of view, here is a question:

What would happen to a person who refuses to follow a deed restriction?

For example, what happens to a person who refuses to remove an offensive lawn ornament?

Here's my answer..... Anyone who lives here SHOULD know the answer already! If you don't they hold classes for people to learn the way the Villages works. :ho:

OK, so what is the answer that "Anyone who lives here SHOULD know"?

I found the answer in about 2 minutes. The Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org) site has a lot of information, try it sometime.

What happens if an owner does not bring their property into compliance? There could be up to three notifications with the final notification advising a public hearing date for the case to be heard before the Board of Supervisors for that District. The Board of Supervisors make the final enforcement decision on whether there is a finding of guilt against the owner. If the owner is found in violation of the District’s adopted Rule, the Board of Supervisors may impose fines, seek all available legal remedies which may include initiating a lawsuit, seeking an injunction against the owner and placing a lien against the property. Please refer to The resource cannot be found. (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/communitystandards/DistrictAdoptedRules.aspx) to view each District’s adopted Rule.

[VApeople]

If the owner is found in violation of the District’s adopted Rule, the Board of Supervisors may impose fines, seek all available legal remedies which may include initiating a lawsuit, seeking an injunction against the owner and placing a lien against the property.

Thanks for finding the punishment that may be inflicted on an owner with an offensive lawn ornament.

After all of those actions are taken, what do you think will happen if the owner still refuses to remove the offending lawn ornament?

In my opinion, the phrase "legal remedies" may including seizing the home and evicting the owner.

[Bogie Shooter]

TOTV ithe place of opinions.
As to your question of what happens, call deed compliance.....if you reall must know!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

CWGUY: the answer to your question is simple: you can ignore any and all rules and regulations that are not enforced. If a tree falls in the forest, does the forest ranger really give a damn? If he doesn't - then go ahead and chop down the tree.

You'll have to live with your own conscience knowing that you violated the rules. You'll also have to live with the potential for other people to discover that they too can chop down trees without consequence, and eventually waking up one morning to realize the forest is now a vast desert wasteland with no trees left.

On the other hand...

You could ask the park ranger if you may have permission to make an exception.

Or you could go to a town meeting, with other people who live near or in the forest, and see if they can make a new rule, that can actually be enforced: you can chop down no more than 2 trees per year, you can get a permit for it, and you have to remove the wood from where it fell. Rangers will be in the area to either supervise or observe, in case of emergency on the scheduled date of chopping.

[CWGUY]

CWGUY: the answer to your question is simple: you can ignore any and all rules and regulations that are not enforced. If a tree falls in the forest, does the forest ranger really give a damn? If he doesn't - then go ahead and chop down the tree.

Said the people that live in Bridgeport at Lake Miona ! :1rotfl:

:icon_wink: Sorry....inside joke for people that live here.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Thanks for finding the punishment that may be inflicted on an owner with an offensive lawn ornament.

After all of those actions are taken, what do you think will happen if the owner still refuses to remove the offending lawn ornament?

In my opinion, the phrase "legal remedies" may including seizing the home and evicting the owner.

They won't evict someone from their own property. They'd have to go through a whole different process for that.

What they can do is put a lien on the property so when you are ready to sell it (or if your beneficiaries try to sell it after you're dead), the Villages district will get first dibs on the amount of the lien, before the seller (you or beneficiaries or the bank) can touch it.

I believe there is a fine of up to $50 for each day of the infraction. I also believe I read there was a maximum fine, and something happened after that (probably the lien) but I can't remember what exactly that was.

That was in just one of the deed restriction pages I read, in one section of the Villages in Lake County, and I think that particular page was dated some time in 1998.

[rustyp]

I want to make some clarifications.

The changes I proposed are in the INITIATION of a complaint, as far as I know this is entirely under the control of COMMUNITY STANDARDS, not the individual CDDs etc. All complaints currently go typically by phone to the Community Standards office, and community standards then investigates these complaints.

The charge for registering a complaint and the need to personally present the complaint are aimed to limit overuse of the system by what is commonly referred to as "trolls", and was modified to maintain anonymity.

I do not think IMHO) there would be a legal challenge, as the current system is just the way it is currently being done, and this would be a change in the way it is being done. I do not recall seeing any paperwork that made the existing system of registering a complaint legally binding. As a matter of fact you can file by email, by letter, or in person now, BUT the Community Standards usually suggests not doing this as ALL of these records are public under Florida Law, a walk in verbal complaint, or form with on personal information would still maintain anonymity.

I have not had a chance to investigate when Community Standards meets or how to have the ideas I presented here formally presented for CS to look at.

Just my thoughts.

I suspect that having to show your ID to an authority would then make them responsible for recording it which now gets back to the loss of animosity law. I am not going to put the effort into researching that angle. I read the covenants and understood them and agreed to abide by them. I also don't understand the love affair of having a lawn ornament. Decorate the inside of your house. Take my word if you win on lawn ornaments fences will be next.

May I also suggest that the developer has tuned the system exactly they way they want it. They can not be the bad guy in a violation but still have a vehicle to enforce the rules if and when they wish. Best of all worlds for them.

[Challenger]

Said the people that live in Bridgeport at Lake Miona ! :1rotfl:

:icon_wink: Sorry....inside joke for people that live here.

Touche:MOJE_whot:

[trichard]

Current system is fine. Follow the rules.

[Chellybean]

Thanks for finding the punishment that may be inflicted on an owner with an offensive lawn ornament.

After all of those actions are taken, what do you think will happen if the owner still refuses to remove the offending lawn ornament?

In my opinion, the phrase "legal remedies" may including seizing the home and evicting the owner.

OMG they can't seize your home or evict you.
God what planet did you come from.
They can fine and penalize to convince you to comply.
If you feel it to be unfair then you can take them to court. Furthermore they are not Jesus Christ himself!
It takes a lot to fine you and they better be spot on, most of there enforcement is intimidation.
If your, wrong then take in down if you are right stand up for your rights.
There are restrictions they try to impose that are preempted by state and Federal laws. to give examples Religious beliefs, outside antenna, close-line. etc...
You own your property PERIOD and no one can take it from you, including they have no right to come on it without your permission and the easements are only for the said person on your deed!

[fw102807]

Said the people that live in Bridgeport at Lake Miona ! :1rotfl:

:icon_wink: Sorry....inside joke for people that live here.

OK I was done responding to this thread but that was funny :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Challenger]

OMG they can't seize your home or evict you.
God what planet did you come from.
They can fine and penalize to convince you to comply.
If you feel it to be unfair then you can take them to court. Furthermore they are not Jesus Christ himself!
It takes a lot to fine you and they better be spot on, most of there enforcement is intimidation.
If your, wrong then take in down if you are right stand up for your rights.
There are restrictions they try to impose that are preempted by state and Federal laws. to give examples Religious beliefs, outside antenna, close-line. etc...
You own your property PERIOD and no one can take it from you, including they have no right to come on it without your permission and the easements are only for the said person on your deed!

Don't know where you get your info, but so much incorrect info in your post. for example- deed restrictions run with the land and are not related to any person. That is why they are of record in the court house. Religious yard displays are not exempt. etc.

[graciegirl]

I suspect that having to show your ID to an authority would then make them responsible for recording it which now gets back to the loss of animosity law. I am not going to put the effort into researching that angle. I read the covenants and understood them and agreed to abide by them. I also don't understand the love affair of having a lawn ornament. Decorate the inside of your house. Take my word if you win on lawn ornaments fences will be next.

May I also suggest that the developer has tuned the system exactly they way they want it. They can not be the bad guy in a violation but still have a vehicle to enforce the rules if and when they wish. Best of all worlds for them.

Well said!

[graciegirl]

Said the people that live in Bridgeport at Lake Miona ! :1rotfl:

:icon_wink: Sorry....inside joke for people that live here.

Sometimes I like all you crazy guys and sometimes I just love you.

[RErmer]

:agree:, as I personally don't have a problem with well-maintained cactus instead of the usual landscaping...as long as they don't create a hazard.

Speaking of which, there used to be an Aloe plant that partially hung out into the golf cart lane, between the 8th and 9th holes on Glenview's Stirrup Cup (Talley Ridge Dr.).

Every time I went past it, I could just envision a cart hugging the curb, a passenger not paying attention and those points on the leaves...doing some serious physical damage (think chain saw).



It's since been removed (massively trimmed?) and I'm guessing it was because I was far from the only one...who had the same concern.

Here's a Google pic of before it was removed/trimmed and if you look closely, you can see where it had been partially trimmed at the very bottom...because the leaves were in the cart lane.

Totally removed, thank goodness. I always shared your concerns. They have a swimming pool now; much better than the previous plants.

[VApeople]

They won't evict someone from their own property. They'd have to go through a whole different process for that.

Are you implying they can evict someone from their property after they legally "go through a whole different process"?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Are you implying they can evict someone from their property after they legally "go through a whole different process"?

There's such a thing as eminent domain, and violating a lawn ornament rule in a retirement community doesn't qualify for that. It's a legal thing that has nothing to do with this thread, but it does in fact exist.

I just assumed you were confusing that, with penalties for violating community rules.

[coffeebean]

Wonder what would happen if someone placed a Buddha in their front yard (as opposed to a cross)???

Honestly, I don't like having to look at all the crosses. Nothing like wearing "it" on your sleeve. I say nothing and just endure them.

[ColdNoMore]

Maybe that one would , although , those challenging the rule would attack it as merely a method to deter people from exercising their right to report on what, in their opinion, might be a violation. Any procedure installed would need to be reasonable.

Wonder what would happen if someone placed a Buddha in their front yard (as opposed to a cross)???
Excellent point. :thumbup:


Or the Islamic symbol, or a Satan symbol (if there is such a thing), or a raised black fist, or a...??


Anyway, I think most people get (even if they don't like it)...the point.


Which is, of course..."who gets to decide how the rules are ignored?" :ho: