AIRBNB Question

[JimD215]

if you were a homeowner and rented out your home to someone and that tenant listed the property on AIRBNB would that be an issue? Tenant is in the house and renting out a BR. If i were the owner I would be a little leery about the tenant possibly putting cameras in the guests BR or bathroom or even possibly abusing the guest. Seems like a big risk as a homeowner.

[retiredguy123]

Many, if not most rental or lease agreements specifically prohibit any subleasing without permission of the owner. This would have solved any problem you may be having. I would never rent my property without this type of clause in the contract. I think it is a standard clause in rental contracts.

[JimD215]

Yes it is. Had many rental properties in the past and would be livid if that happened

[Fraugoofy]

if you were a homeowner and rented out your home to someone and that tenant listed the property on AIRBNB would that be an issue? Tenant is in the house and renting out a BR. If i were the owner I would be a little leery about the tenant possibly putting cameras in the guests BR or bathroom or even possibly abusing the guest. Seems like a big risk as a homeowner.It specifically states in my lease that a tenant may not sublease. I would evict any tenant immediately that broke the lease.

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[tophcfa]

I would be very concerned if I was the homeowner. The tenant is subletting without your permission. As the homeowner you are liable if something happens and the Airbnb renter sues, not your tenant. Furthermore, if your tenant is running an Airbnb renting a room WHILE LIVING in your home, they are running a home business which violates your deed restriction. As the homeowner, it is your responsibility to have your home in compliance with deed restrictions. Your tenant is not putting you in a good position at all!

[CWGUY]

I would be very concerned if I was the homeowner. The tenant is subletting without your permission. As the homeowner you are liable if something happens and the Airbnb renter sues, not your tenant. Furthermore, if your tenant is running an Airbnb renting a room WHILE LIVING in your home, they are running a home business which violates your deed restriction. As the homeowner, it is your responsibility to have your home in compliance with deed restrictions. Your tenant is not putting you in a good position at all!

:ohdear: Have you ever looked at Airbnb in the Villages? :22yikes: and - That would be a possible "Internal deed restriction" vs an "External deed restriction."

[tophcfa]

:ohdear: Have you ever looked at Airbnb in the Villages? :22yikes: and - That would be a possible "Internal deed restriction" vs an "External deed restriction."

Yes, check out the thread titled "Airbnb, good or bad?"

[CWGUY]

Yes, check out the thread titled "Airbnb, good or bad?"

:ho: I have and agree with you (post#1). - I also have one near me and don't care for it.

[mulligan]

The biggest mistake this developer has made is not restricting against rentals in any form in the deed restrictions. Renters do NOTHING to enhance the value real or perceived of the real estate in the villages.

[retiredguy123]

There are currently 139 houses and 79 private rooms available for rent the week of Feb 18 listed on airbnb in The Villages.

[BobnBev]

So, what happens when the renter puts out 14 pink flamingos in the front yard, and somebody complains. The renter gets the letter of complaint and just throws it away.

[charmed59]

I’m guessing very few short term renters are given keys to the mailboxes, so the complaint letter will likely go to the owner.

[CWGUY]

So, what happens when the renter puts out 14 pink flamingos in the front yard, and somebody complains. The renter gets the letter of complaint and just throws it away.

My guess would be you get a 140 post thread with half saying it's o.k.
and the complainers should mind their own business. And half saying don't break the rules you agreed to when you bought here. :coolsmiley:

Maybe 1 or 2 saying "Taste like chicken!" :icon_wink:

[Bay Kid]

I live in a nice neighborhood with nice neighbors. An AB&B would be like living next to a hotel. Not a very nice thing to do to the neighbors.

[graciegirl]

The biggest mistake this developer has made is not restricting against rentals in any form in the deed restrictions. Renters do NOTHING to enhance the value real or perceived of the real estate in the villages.

I agree for the most part. But some people would not be able to carry the expense without renting.

I am not crazy about renters, although there are many wonderful people who rent here. I just think that it is a slippery slope.

[pauld315]

The biggest mistake this developer has made is not restricting against rentals in any form in the deed restrictions. Renters do NOTHING to enhance the value real or perceived of the real estate in the villages.

I wholeheartedly agree. We recently toured On Top of the World in Ocala and they only allow rentals that are a minimum of 6 months and one week and a maximum of one year. They also have real gated, secured roads. Both of these are very attractive to us. I don't think we are interested in moving there in particular but I am sure other communities do the same thing in case we ever decide to move.

The developer here loves the short term rentals because it helps to expose The Villages to a lot more people and thus may result in sales and the fact that they own a very robust rental company where they earn a lot of money in commissions managing those rentals.

[ColdNoMore]

I wholeheartedly agree. We recently toured On Top of the World in Ocala and they only allow rentals that are a minimum of 6 months and one week and a maximum of one year. They also have real gated, secured roads. Both of these are very attractive to us. I don't think we are interested in moving there in particular but I am sure other communities do the same thing in case we ever decide to move.

The developer here loves the short term rentals because it helps to expose The Villages to a lot more people and thus may result in sales and the fact that they own a very robust rental company where they earn a lot of money in commissions managing those rentals.


Yep...:agree:

[Schaumburger]

As a potential future Villager who has rented several times, how would someone get a taste of what it is like to be a Villager without renting 1, 2 or even 3 times before buying? Sure there is the Lifestyle program (which I did a few years ago), but I don't know if I would contemplate a 1,200 mile move from the Midwest to The Villages based on one Lifestyle visit.

Outside of the Lifestyle program, how do people in their mid to late 50's and up who are still working full time get to experience The Villages' lifestyle unless they rent for 2 or 3 weeks? Even if someone has worked for the same employer for 30 years, most people in the 55 to 62 age group who work in the private sector are getting at most 6 weeks of vacation, unless they are teachers with more extended summer vacation time.

Sorry for the rant, but as someone who can only rent in The Villages on a short term basis as I still hold a full time job with only so much vacation time, just wanted to get another viewpoint across. Maybe I will be a Villager in a few years based on the great rental experiences I have had in TV.

[Bogie Shooter]

I wholeheartedly agree. We recently toured On Top of the World in Ocala and they only allow rentals that are a minimum of 6 months and one week and a maximum of one year. They also have real gated, secured roads. Both of these are very attractive to us. I don't think we are interested in moving there in particular but I am sure other communities do the same thing in case we ever decide to move.

The developer here loves the short term rentals because it helps to expose The Villages to a lot more people and thus may result in sales and the fact that they own a very robust rental company where they earn a lot of money in commissions managing those rentals.

Could you provide a link to this?

[queasy27]

As a potential future Villager who has rented several times, how would someone get a taste of what it is like to be a Villager without renting 1, 2 or even 3 times before buying? Sure there is the Lifestyle program (which I did a few years ago), but I don't know if I would contemplate a 1,200 mile move from the Midwest to The Villages based on one Lifestyle visit.

Many posters have said "rent for a few months in The Villages before buying so you can find the best location for yourself". Other posters seem to really dislike rentals; perhaps they have had a bad experience with a renter in their neighborhood.

Outside of the Lifestyle program, how do people in their mid to late 50's and up who are still working full time get to experience The Villages unless they rent for 2 or 3 weeks? Even if someone has worked for the same employer for 30 years, most people in the 55 to 62 age group are getting at most 6 weeks of vacation, unless they are teachers with summers off.

Sorry for the rant, but as someone who can only rent in The Villages on a short term basis as I still hold a full time job with only so much vacation time, just wanted to get another viewpoint across. Maybe I will be a Villager in a few years based on the great rental experiences I have had in TV.

Thanks for the input, Schaumburger. I for one hope you do move here some day; you'd be a wonderful addition to the community.

:bigbow:

[tophcfa]

The biggest mistake this developer has made is not restricting against rentals in any form in the deed restrictions. Renters do NOTHING to enhance the value real or perceived of the real estate in the villages.

I agree for the most part. But some people would not be able to carry the expense without renting.

I am not crazy about renters, although there are many wonderful people who rent here. I just think that it is a slippery slope.

The developer have their hands in a lot of businesses, but their primary business is selling homes and they do it very well. To sell homes, they need to have a wide possible pool of potential buyers. Many Villages residents own multiple homes and live in one home and purchase others as investments and rent the others. Other investors just buy homes to rent with the hope of income to cover expenses and price appreciation. While some homeowners can not afford their Villages home unless they rent it out when they are not using it. If rentals were eliminated, a huge pool of potential home buyers would be eliminated. As also noted in this thread, many potential home buyers come here for several years as renters and fall in love with the Villages before finally buying their Villages home. I have no problem with homeowners renting their homes, especially when the rentals are for a minimum of a month or more. The problem I have is with short-term transient rentals (AIRBNB) by homeowners who are living in their homes. These people are effectively running a bed and breakfast business out of their homes, with none of the regulations that real bed and breakfast operators are burdened with. This violates two deed restrictions. First, homes are to be used as single family residential, which does not include renting out a room in your home while living in it. Second, one can not run a home business. When you live in your home and rent out a room (where the income needs to be reported as taxable income), you are running a home business.

The major problem with this (besides what the unfortunate neighbors have to live with), is that it is a difficult deed restriction to enforce. External deed restrictions, like a bunch of pink flamingos or white crosses on the front lawn, are easy to identify and notify the homeowner that they are violating. Internal deed restriction violations occurring inside of a home are much more difficult to identify, verify, and enforce. It requires knocking on doors and getting cooperation from the homeowner and having them admit that they are in violation. So enforcement of internal deed restrictions is the big problem with eliminating AIRBNB operators that are clearly in violation of deed restrictions.

[BobnBev]

Maybe a "sting" operation by the tax collector would work.

[JimD215]

This is not the owner who is advertising it as an AIRBNB. This is the tenant doing it. Renting from the owner is fine but when a tenant is renting it out, not fine.

[tophcfa]

This is not the owner who is advertising it as an AIRBNB. This is the tenant doing it. Renting from the owner is fine but when a tenant is renting it out, not fine.

You are absolutely correct. As a homeowner, you have every right to rent out your home (as long as you are not living in it also). You would be in violation of deed restrictions if you were living in your home and renting out a room, which you are not.

On the other hand, your tenant is violating YOUR DEED RESTRICTION and probably also the RENTAL AGREEMENT that you had them sign. My understanding of the way things work is that as the homeowner of your property, you are responsible for insuring that your property is in compliance with the deed restrictions, not your tenant. Therefore, you need to either evict your tenant or make sure that they stop running a AIRBNB out of your property.