Trojan Trillium Lithium Conversion

[MorTech]

Trojan has new 12V Group 27 drop-in lithium LiFePO replacement batteries. 4x12V/1400Whr = 48V/5600Whr. You will need a charger that is capable of AGM charging or one that is programmable like Lester Summit 2 1050W or Delta-Q QuiQ 1500. >5000 charge cycles and most likely >8000 charge cycles to 70% of original capacity. These are true zero-maintenance lifetime batteries.

Expensive but maybe worth it to some.

https://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/27_Lithium_12.8-110.pdf

[Biker Dog]

Have been trying to find a distributor and price, but B Boys & Masters have no info or price. Was told 6 months ago they would be available in Dec, still waiting.

[JimJohnson]

Locations | Trojan Battery Sales (https://www.trojanbatterysales.com/locations/)

[MorTech]

I think they are only just starting to be available. Tomberlin is the first to use them.

I like the max charge current! Full charge from 0-100% in a little over an hour! About 50 miles of range! No doubt charging at that rate will eat into your # of charge cycles...but they are abundant.

[Biker Dog]

I think they are only just starting to be available. Tomberlin is the first to use them.

I like the max charge current! Full charge from 0-100% in a little over an hour! About 50 miles of range! No doubt charging at that rate will eat into your # of charge cycles...but they are abundant.

Do you have a price quote for 4 with a charger???:ohdear:

[MorTech]

No quote but ~$4k for batteries and QuiQ 1500 charger ~$500 with cart plug cable = $4500.

The charger is max 48v/25A at 110v and 48v/30A at 220v.

[Bay Kid]

No quote but ~$4k for batteries and QuiQ 1500 charger ~$500 with cart plug cable = $4500.

The charger is max 48v/25A at 110v and 48v/30A at 220v.

Wow that is a lot of gas. But seriously you really have to keep that cart a long time for the cost.

[charmed59]

I find the quiet worth it. I also like the convenience of just plugging in versus finding a gas station to be quite feeing. If I can get a 50 mile range I’m golden.

[MorTech]

Figure $0.55 for those 50 miles on the lithium electric cart compared to $3.00 for those same 50 miles on gasoline. The cost is too rich for me but some people value no noise/smell/vibrations, linear throttle response, and not having to go out of the way to a gas station over fuel costs. Some value serenity and holding a normal conversation highly. The only maintenance on the lithium electric cart will be tires and rear axle gear oil changes every few years...And no more battery watering! The newest EZGO RXV carts use motor braking instead of friction brake pads...No brake pads to replace.

Warning guys: If you don't like talking to your wife...don't get an electric cart :)

[MorTech]

The Delta-Q ICL1200 charger delivers 33.3 Amps from a 110v plug but the Trojan Trillium requires 57.6 - 59.2 VoltsDC and the "laymans" spec sheet states only 57V DC output. I will contact Delta-Q about this. This would charge the 48v Trillium pack from 0-100% in about 3 hours at that power draw...3 hours for 50 miles or 16.67 miles per hour.

Your dedicated 110V golf cart plug in your garage is on it's own 20A breaker (check breaker box to make sure). You could easily draw nominal 48V@40A from that outlet without tripping the breaker.

[Biker Dog]

As per Trojan's web site "No specialized chargers needed."

Introducing Trillium™
Trojan’s Intelligent Lithium Ion Battery with More Runtime, Lifetime, and Peace of Mind.



Trillium is the newest addition to the Trojan line of deep-cycle batteries. Designed and engineered in the USA, Trillium is available in 3 popular sizes that can be used in a variety of applications.

Here’s what makes Trillium intelligent — and better:

• Advanced features including microprocessor-controlled safety systems.

• Exceptional power: longer run time, the greatest capacity, and the longest life — more than 5,000 cycles — of any battery in its class.

• Rugged durability that meets the highest quality and safety standards.

• True and easy replacement for lead-acid batteries; no additional systems integration or specialized chargers are needed.

Trillium Brochure

[biker1]

While no specialized chargers are apparently required, Trojan does state that existing chargers are OK as long as they have an AGM/GEL setting. I wonder how many existing chargers actually have that setting.

As per Trojan's web site "No specialized chargers needed."

Introducing Trillium™
Trojan’s Intelligent Lithium Ion Battery with More Runtime, Lifetime, and Peace of Mind.



Trillium is the newest addition to the Trojan line of deep-cycle batteries. Designed and engineered in the USA, Trillium is available in 3 popular sizes that can be used in a variety of applications.

Here’s what makes Trillium intelligent — and better:

• Advanced features including microprocessor-controlled safety systems.

• Exceptional power: longer run time, the greatest capacity, and the longest life — more than 5,000 cycles — of any battery in its class.

• Rugged durability that meets the highest quality and safety standards.

• True and easy replacement for lead-acid batteries; no additional systems integration or specialized chargers are needed.

Trillium Brochure

[dadspet]

Sure would be nice if Club, Yamaha or EZgo offer them as standard so you don't have to pay for the standard batteries and charger. I'm getting ready for a new cart in a yr or so and Lithium is clearly the direction I want to go in. We have electric now and not fond of the smell, noise or chitty chitty bang bang of gas or what they do to our environment. $4.5K is steep but $2500 could be a deal.

[MorTech]

Club Car has their new 3.1kW Tempo Lithium Ion cart and EZGO has their Elite lithium series with up to 6kW. Yamaha will follow soon, I suspect. TVGC sells the EZGO RXV Elite 4.0 with the 6kW lithium pack (about 55 miles of range per charge) for $15K...Ouch. Tomberlin is using the Trillium lithium now but I don't know the price.

Yeah...$2500-$3000 for 8kW usable capacity with >3000 charge cycles is about my trigger level as well. LiFePO4 16s prismatics are still too expensive.

Most OEM chargers are strictly for flooded lead acid and use an Equalize charge that the Trilliums don't want. AGM capable chargers don't have Equalize mode.

[Riverview]

TVGC sells the EZGO RXV Elite 4.0 with the 6kW lithium pack (about 55 miles of range per charge) for $15K.

I met with a saleslady and they have one for $13,400 but she said the max range is 40 miles. She also said they would not convert any cart to lithium batteries. I can get 50 miles in my Club Cart with the 6-8volt Trojans.

[MorTech]

The latest EZGO RXV AC motor carts are nominally 100W per mile...So 55 miles should be doable in most circumstances. TVGC will let you have a cart for 24hr for test drive. You could easily test the range yourself.

Seller on Ebay sells the programmable QuiQ 1500 #914-4800-01 w/SB50 connector for $375. It also uses "storage mode" that will automatically run a charge cycle every 2 weeks when your away for battery types that require it.

[lennyclark]

Does anyone know what kind or range in miles I can expect on a set of 48 volt lithium Batteries I know some one got 114 miles in a controlled test here at T V a couple of years ago I’m looking for input and suggestions

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Wow that is a lot of gas. But seriously you really have to keep that cart a long time for the cost.

My understanding is that LI batteries are warrantied for 15 years and can be expected to last for 20 years.

I am surprised by the estimate of only 50 miles per charge however. I looked into LI batteries a while back and was told that I could expect close to 100 miles per charge.

[thetruth]

Typical of any electronic product the prices quickly and dramatically drop. Remember TVs, computers, cell phones, printers, etc etc etc.

As to warrantys, read any offered carefully. Typically they are prorated-real value reduces over time. Also, they are usually based on an inflated LIST PRICE. Perhaps, now just out, people are paying list price but as said above the price will surely drop below list price. That will further devalue the value of the warranty.

As to the never ending debate gas vs electric golf carts. People will always argue about the choice they've made. So I declare I have gas. If, you have a gas golf cart that stinks excessively, it probably needs to be serviced. As to quiet, electric will be quieter. The newer yamhas are far quieter than older ones I expect mostly due to sound deadening materials which by the way can be added to an older cart. The noise can actually be a good thing. People walking, riding a bike etc may not hear you coming.

[Bay Kid]

Typical of any electronic product the prices quickly and dramatically drop. Remember TVs, computers, cell phones, printers, etc etc etc.

As to warrantys, read any offered carefully. Typically they are prorated-real value reduces over time. Also, they are usually based on an inflated LIST PRICE. Perhaps, now just out, people are paying list price but as said above the price will surely drop below list price. That will further devalue the value of the warranty.

As to the never ending debate gas vs electric golf carts. People will always argue about the choice they've made. So I declare I have gas. If, you have a gas golf cart that stinks excessively, it probably needs to be serviced. As to quiet, electric will be quieter. The newer yamhas are far quieter than older ones I expect mostly due to sound deadening materials which by the way can be added to an older cart. The noise can actually be a good thing. People walking, riding a bike etc may not hear you coming.

Remember seeing a Sears catalog with the NEW video recorders for $2,200. Times have really changed!

[ColdNoMore]

Remember seeing a Sears catalog with the NEW video recorders for $2,200. Times have really changed!

In the early 80's, I bought a Panasonic VHS recorder/player (with a keyboard for typing titles) that came in two large pieces (carried one over the shoulder for recording)...that cost $2,500.

Now, even a low-end smart phone provides a much higher quality recording, plus so many other features...at a fraction of the cost. :oops:

A form of "Moore's Law."

[JoelJohnson]

My friend is buying a Tomberlin, he wanted to have lithium barriers put in. The brochure says 40 mile range, but the sales person check with the factory and found out they only go 27 miles on a charge.

[MorTech]

5600Wh lithium battery pack and only 27 miles? That can't be right.
Should be able to get the 40 miles. That's 140W per mile.

[lennyclark]

How many miles do you think I could go with lithium batterys

[charmed59]

We just had our EZ go cart retrofitted with lithium batteries and the test drive puts the range at 72 miles.

[MorTech]

With a modern 48V and AC motor, figure about 2.0-2.5Ah per mile.
A lithium battery pack is much lighter than lead-acid, as well.

[Biker Dog]

We just had our EZ go cart retrofitted with lithium batteries and the test drive puts the range at 72 miles.

What batteries, who did it, & what did it cost????:coolsmiley:

[charmed59]

These were the Trojan Trillian Lithium’s. It was installed by Battery Boys, but they brought the Trojan rep with them when picking up the cart. They are extremely excited about the performance of these batteries, and were happy we gave them a few extra days to enable them to do full performance testing on this cart to add to their data.

They are pricey, about three times the cost of regular batteries. They don’t require water and they have a five year guarantee.

[MorTech]

We just had our EZ go cart retrofitted with lithium batteries and the test drive puts the range at 72 miles.

Great range...I guess it is the Trillium 110Ah 4x12V (?)
Do you use the stock EZGO battery charger?
It's about $4K for those batteries.

[lennyclark]

How many miles coul$ I go if I have a golf cart with lithium battery’s

[Bay Kid]

That is a lot of gas. Sooner or later the price will be affordable.

[Topspinmo]

I have question about the lithium batteries? With my battery powered tools with lithium they run good, then all sudden the tool dead due to the battery when dead. On my EGO batteries they have light that’s green then turns amber when the battery fixing to die? How do the batteries in golf cart react with lithium’s? Is there gage that tells you when the are about gone or do they just die like my lithium powered tools?

[lennyclark]

Wow did you get 72 miles per charge that’s the area that makes me lean toward lithium

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Here's my elite 4.0 going over 50 miles on a charge..

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[Bay Kid]

Here's my elite 4.0 going over 50 miles on a charge..

80036

My country club are looking at a new 5 year lease on their carts. The Elite is the top of their list. They were told they could save up to 50% on their electric bill.

[MCJEFE]

Or do what I did here and build your own for around $2,500. I get more than 50 miles in my RXV while driving hard at 20-25 mph on 21" tires using less than 80% of the batteries capacity.

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[GrumpyOldMan]

I have question about the lithium batteries? With my battery powered tools with lithium they run good, then all sudden the tool dead due to the battery when dead. On my EGO batteries they have light that’s green then turns amber when the battery fixing to die? How do the batteries in golf cart react with lithium’s? Is there gage that tells you when the are about gone or do they just die like my lithium powered tools?

They mostly just die, sort of like when you run out of gas with a gas powered cart. The difference with gas is you have more miles to get around to refueling. The difference with electric is you can refuel at home. I guess you could keep a 5 gallon can of gasoline at home, but it is not recommended.

With the lithium batteries you can do a quick "top off charge" on the batteries if you can find an outlet to plug into.

[lennyclark]

Is 50 miles range per charge what can be expected on lithium batteries in the villages

[JoMar]

Is 50 miles range per charge what can be expected on lithium batteries in the villages

You can get that on Trojans in the newer carts. Supposedly lithium will give you more range. I did learn that they advertize lithium will last up to 10 years but the warranty is for 3 years....hmmmmm?