Pit bull attack.

[Taltarzac725]

I have a long term acquaintance whose dog was ripped up quite badly ($1200 worth of wounds that needed fixing by Buffalo Ridge Vets) by two pit bulls. This was though while he was trying to return a cell phone to his neighbors who opened the door when this guy knocked or rang the bell. The acquaintance had taken the dog to the pit bulls' house. And they attacked viciously. One of the owners of the pit bulls did get hurt trying to pull these two dogs off of the much smaller dog.

Please keep the details out of this any more than this if you know whom I am talking about here.

Just wanted to talk more about pit bulls some of whom get a bad rap. I have met maybe a couple dozen pit bulls that are a lot sweeter than most of the small dogs I have met.

The dog that got attacked is an extremely gentle pooch. Not a mean gene in its body.

Other pit bulls if I am not familiar with them I avoid as much as possible as there are very nasty pit bulls out there. But these have usually been mistreated or trained to kill other dogs for the amusement of their owners and money for various parties.

My sister-in-law's family has often had pit bulls and she adopted what looked like a pit bull/boxer mix last year from Max's Pet Connection in Lady Lake. She throws all kind of love at their dog as does the rest of her family.

I do have a female friend who had a gentle pit bull mix that did eventually get a bit aggressive when it would play rough with a boxer mix. The dog never harmed another dog though as far as I know.

My neighbor in Palm Harbor raised two pit bulls and was in hot water with the authorities for mistreating one of these dogs. Both of which were quite gentle but he kept them in cages. He had tied one to his car and tried to walk it in the neighborhood from a leash out his car's window. The cops followed the blood trial to his house after a teen called 911.

This neighbor fought to get the pit bull back from the authorities. There was a lot of resistance in the community and this did make the various Tampa Bay news stations and newspapers.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

A pit bull (there area few different varieties, this is a catch-all term and not the name of any one specific breed), like all dogs, is as tame and well-behaved as its owner trains it to be. Pit bull-type dogs need a "job" and if they don't have one they will get bored and frustrated, and can then show aggression. Training them to be aggressive is another matter entirely. They need exercise, not just enough walking to relieve themselves and return home to the rug in the kitchen. Showering them with love isn't what makes a dog of ANY type, well behaved. In fact, if you praise the dog and never teach him correct behavior, he's more likely to misbehave because you're sending him the signal that bad behavior gets rewarded.

[Taltarzac725]

A pit bull (there area few different varieties, this is a catch-all term and not the name of any one specific breed), like all dogs, is as tame and well-behaved as its owner trains it to be. Pit bull-type dogs need a "job" and if they don't have one they will get bored and frustrated, and can then show aggression. Training them to be aggressive is another matter entirely. They need exercise, not just enough walking to relieve themselves and return home to the rug in the kitchen. Showering them with love isn't what makes a dog of ANY type, well behaved. In fact, if you praise the dog and never teach him correct behavior, he's more likely to misbehave because you're sending him the signal that bad behavior gets rewarded.

That is all correct. My sister-in-law does admonish her dog if she does something wrong. As did my female friend most of the time for her pit bull mix.

Pit Bull Facts - Villalobos Rescue Center (http://www.vrcpitbull.com/pit-bull-facts/)

Myths and Facts About Pit Bulls | Petfinder (https://www.petfinder.com/pet-adoption/dog-adoption/myths-and-facts-about-pit-bulls/)

American Pit Bull Terrier Dog Breed Information, Pictures, Characteristics & Facts - Dogtime (https://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/american-pit-bull-terrier#/slide/1)

[RedChariot]

Not familiar with this story. Are these pit bulls still alive in The Villages? Wouldn't this be dangerous? Ready to attack humans? Where are they now?

[Taltarzac725]

Not familiar with this story. Are these pit bulls still alive in The Villages? Wouldn't this be dangerous? Ready to attack humans? Where are they now?

This is not in the Villages but close. They are alive. And I doubt if they would attack people.

I am trying to get the talk onto stereotypes about pit bulls as I have had a lot of talks with Villagers and those outside of it who lump all pit bulls together. Each dog is an individual even if with animals instincts and genes do play a big role IMHO.

My female friend lived in a neighborhood close to the Villages and she was having a lot of problems because her dog looked a lot like a full breed pit bull but was a mix. She had the dog's DNA tested to get the evidence that the dog was a mix.

She moved out of the Villages area.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What the OP boils down to is this:
Someone brought their dog to the front door of other dog-owners, without first checking to make sure if that was a good or bad idea. Turns out, it was a bad idea. It's very likely (almost completely likely) that the pit owners would have told the person "oh - hm. Please leave your dog at home, mine are very territorial and will agressively protect their turf until they've had a chance to meet yours on neutral territory first."

Never EVER EVER bring your animal, of any kind, onto the property of another animal, of any kind, without first ensuring that the interaction will be politely received.

[thetruth]

What the OP boils down to is this:
Someone brought their dog to the front door of other dog-owners, without first checking to make sure if that was a good or bad idea. Turns out, it was a bad idea. It's very likely (almost completely likely) that the pit owners would have told the person "oh - hm. Please leave your dog at home, mine are very territorial and will agressively protect their turf until they've had a chance to meet yours on neutral territory first."

Never EVER EVER bring your animal, of any kind, onto the property of another animal, of any kind, without first ensuring that the interaction will be politely received.

As a dog owner it is your responsibility to train your dog but also to be aware of it's issues.

The op reminds me of a dog we had as kids. It was a mix of a boarder collie, they were very rare at the time and a German Shepherd. It was a smart, fairly large dog. It was great around kids, dogs etc a great dog. Except, perhaps due to abuse, the dog would respond to black people and become vicious.

Many pure bred dogs that were used for aggressive purpose have had the aggression bred out of them and are now docile pets. Classic examples the mastiff-formerly a war dog. In roman times there was a battle where the troops retreated and the roman mastiffs won the battle. Today, every mastiff, I've met is an overgrown lap dog. English bull dog is another common example.

Far as pit bulls I, through business, knew a guy that bred aggressive pit bulls and I'm certain he is not the only one.
Sadly he and others like him are the reason why you pay extra and may not even be able to get insurance if you CHOOSE to own a pit bull same is true of a Rottweiler.

MY POINT-as a dog owner it is your duty to know and to control your dog. You are and you should be liable for any damages your animal causes.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

As a dog owner it is your responsibility to train your dog but also to be aware of it's issues.

The op reminds me of a dog we had as kids. It was a mix of a boarder collie, they were very rare at the time and a German Shepherd. It was a smart, fairly large dog. It was great around kids, dogs etc a great dog. Except, perhaps due to abuse, the dog would respond to black people and become vicious.

Many pure bred dogs that were used for aggressive purpose have had the aggression bred out of them and are now docile pets. Classic examples the mastiff-formerly a war dog. In roman times there was a battle where the troops retreated and the roman mastiffs won the battle. Today, every mastiff, I've met is an overgrown lap dog. English bull dog is another common example.

Far as pit bulls I, through business, knew a guy that bred aggressive pit bulls and I'm certain he is not the only one.
Sadly he and others like him are the reason why you pay extra and may not even be able to get insurance if you CHOOSE to own a pit bull same is true of a Rottweiler.

MY POINT-as a dog owner it is your duty to know and to control your dog. You are and you should be liable for any damages your animal causes.

Someone brings their dog to YOUR house, without first asking YOU, then that person accepts the risk. Your pitbulls in your house protecting their own property from an unfamiliar animal should not be liable. The person who brought their dog onto your property, to your front door, without first warning you that he had a dog there - was in the wrong. THAT dog owner should be liable for any damages to your pitbulls, and your door, and your stoop, and your person, and any other part of your property caused by that dog owner not bothering to mention that they were bringing a dog to your house and just showing up with it.

[graciegirl]

Judge Judy has many, many, cases that involve dogs on her show and the law is the same almost everywhere, that you are liable for your animal and it needs to be leashed when in public. Recently she, who is a dog lover, has been saying that Pitt Bulls are dangerous and unpredictable.

I won't mention names either but one of the sweetest and most fair posters on this site, who loves animals dearly, once said that Pitt Bulls (Staffordshire Terriers) had a different bite mechanism and behavior from most other dogs in that when the bite they clamped down and hurt by shaking the other animal. I am a dog lover but what I have heard and read and the fact that actuaries give them a greater risk makes me wary of them. I think some dogs shouldn't be bred.

And some humans too.

[BK001]

And the "Best Post of the Day Award" goes to:


. . . I think some dogs shouldn't be bred.

And some humans too.


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[CWGUY]

And the "Best Post of the Day Award" goes to:





:mademyday: :clap2: :1rotfl:


:ho: :eclipsee_gold_cup:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Judge Judy has many, many, cases that involve dogs on her show and the law is the same almost everywhere, that you are liable for your animal and it needs to be leashed when in public. Recently she, who is a dog lover, has been saying that Pitt Bulls are dangerous and unpredictable.

I won't mention names either but one of the sweetest and most fair posters on this site, who loves animals dearly, once said that Pitt Bulls (Staffordshire Terriers) had a different bite mechanism and behavior from most other dogs in that when the bite they clamped down and hurt by shaking the other animal. I am a dog lover but what I have heard and read and the fact that actuaries give them a greater risk makes me wary of them. I think some dogs shouldn't be bred.

And some humans too.

1. Judge Judy...seriously?
2. The context of this thread is not about a dog not being leashed in public. It's about a dog on a leash, being led to private property, where two dogs legally reside within the dwelling on that private property. The leashed dog, who was a visitor, uninvited, was attacked on private property by the dogs that have legal residence on that property.

In the OP, there is no mention that the dogs ever left private property, with or without a leash.

3. The "lockjaw" mechanism of pitbulls is an urban legend. It is not true. In addition, the biting and shaking behavior is common for all species of dog, it's not specific to pits, or even specific to guard dogs, or trained dogs, or agressive dogs. You can even buy tug-o-war toys in all pet stores to accommodate play with this behavior. The toys are sized for all types and varieties of dogs, from miniature chihuahuas to Cane Corsos and everything inbetween.

4. Pit bulls (one t - unless you're referring to Brad) are not only Staffordshire Terriors. Pit bull is a category that includes four different breeds of terrior/bull mixes, with a fifth considered by some dog fanciers. According to Wikipedia:
American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.[2][3] The American Bulldog is also sometimes included.[4]

Most of this stuff you can easily find with a google search.

[graciegirl]

1. Judge Judy...seriously?
2. The context of this thread is not about a dog not being leashed in public. It's about a dog on a leash, being led to private property, where two dogs legally reside within the dwelling on that private property. The leashed dog, who was a visitor, uninvited, was attacked on private property by the dogs that have legal residence on that property.

In the OP, there is no mention that the dogs ever left private property, with or without a leash.

3. The "lockjaw" mechanism of pitbulls is an urban legend. It is not true. In addition, the biting and shaking behavior is common for all species of dog, it's not specific to pits, or even specific to guard dogs, or trained dogs, or agressive dogs. You can even buy tug-o-war toys in all pet stores to accommodate play with this behavior. The toys are sized for all types and varieties of dogs, from miniature chihuahuas to Cane Corsos and everything inbetween.

4. Pit bulls (one t - unless you're referring to Brad) are not only Staffordshire Terriors. Pit bull is a category that includes four different breeds of terrior/bull mixes, with a fifth considered by some dog fanciers. According to Wikipedia:


Most of this stuff you can easily find with a google search.

Yes. Judge Judy. Seriously. I enjoy her program very much and Tal was asking about opinions of the breed.

Here is his quote in the third or fourth post above; "I am trying to get the talk onto stereotypes about pit bulls as I have had a lot of talks with Villagers and those outside of it who lump all pit bulls together. Each dog is an individual even if with animals instincts and genes do play a big role IMHO."

I will jump in with the opinion that it looks to me like science is pointing to a lot of behavior being genetic, human and animal. Not to rule out that behavioral modification can well modify behavior...SOME.

I have never met a golden retriever that wasn't goofy and loveable and sweet.

Or a cat who wasn't quite a bit of a narcissist. I do love them though.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It's not a singular breed. And your opinion seems to be based on faulty information. Aggressive pit bulls are aggressive because they're either a) trained to be aggressive b) treated as aggressive animals or c) incorrectly trained/inadvertently or intentionally mistreated. Some of them become the result of however they're treated, even if they're not specifically trained that way. This is true for all dogs. Every single one of them. Pit bulls get the bad rap because they are the most prolific in "ermagerd dog bite story of the week" and the most commonly used in dog fighting. Of all the dogs I've ever been exposed to in my life, the only one I've actually been concerned about biting me was a really unfriendly, spoiled, poorly trained chihuahua.

[graciegirl]

It's not a singular breed. And your opinion seems to be based on faulty information. Aggressive pit bulls are aggressive because they're either a) trained to be aggressive b) treated as aggressive animals or c) incorrectly trained/inadvertently or intentionally mistreated. Some of them become the result of however they're treated, even if they're not specifically trained that way. This is true for all dogs. Every single one of them. Pit bulls get the bad rap because they are the most prolific in "ermagerd dog bite story of the week" and the most commonly used in dog fighting. Of all the dogs I've ever been exposed to in my life, the only one I've actually been concerned about biting me was a really unfriendly, spoiled, poorly trained chihuahua.

Pit Bull Behaviors | PetCareRx (https://www.petcarerx.com/article/pit-bull-behaviors/491)

I hear your opinion and still will give a Pittbull wide berth and I would have a FIT and a BAD SPELL if any were around the little children I love.

Making up our own minds is one of the wonderful things about being older and...….I have a few years on you. ;) Which could mean I have picked up a little knowledge and experience OR I am losing brain cells.

[Edjkoz]

Pit bulls are nice until they’re not

[BK001]

I know nothing about this breed nor do I have a dog in this fight (groan - couldn't resist). However I find it interesting that:

According to the source cited at the bottom of this post:

"In the 13-year period of 2005 through 2017, canines killed 433 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (284) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths." . . . Of these deaths, 53% involved a family member and a household pit bull.4 Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011, nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner.

"The pit bull's genetic traits are not in dispute. Many appellate courts agree that pit bulls pose a significant danger to society and can be regulated accordingly. Some of the genetic traits courts have identified include: unpredictability of aggression, tenacity ("gameness" the refusal to give up a fight), high pain tolerance and the pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style.2 According to forensic medical studies, similar injuries have only been found elsewhere on victims of shark attacks."

"Over 900 U.S. cities have enacted breed-specific legislation. Cities such as Denver, which resides within a state containing a state preemption law, have effectively implemented these laws as well."

See: Breed-Specific Laws State-by-State (https://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dangerous-dogs-state-by-state.php)

[retiredguy123]

Sounds like pit bulls need a publicity campaign manager, because I think that many people really don't believe that they are as harmless as other breeds.

[graciegirl]

Sounds like pit bulls need a publicity campaign manager, because I think that many people really don't believe that they are as harmless as other breeds.

Well here is a bit of good press. From U.K. and this "Staffie" has found a good home. I admit to thinking ...What a sweet dog. In the last picture, I think he is smiling.

Bad Request (https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/abandoned-dog-that-went-viral-is-now-living-“like-a-king”/ar-BBUJvyH?ocid=spartandhp)

[Taltarzac725]

It's not a singular breed. And your opinion seems to be based on faulty information. Aggressive pit bulls are aggressive because they're either a) trained to be aggressive b) treated as aggressive animals or c) incorrectly trained/inadvertently or intentionally mistreated. Some of them become the result of however they're treated, even if they're not specifically trained that way. This is true for all dogs. Every single one of them. Pit bulls get the bad rap because they are the most prolific in "ermagerd dog bite story of the week" and the most commonly used in dog fighting. Of all the dogs I've ever been exposed to in my life, the only one I've actually been concerned about biting me was a really unfriendly, spoiled, poorly trained chihuahua.

My big fear has been chihuahuas as one would run at me every time I walked by their enclosed yard like I was breakfast, lunch and dinner. I had to walk to high school as the bus route started about 1/8 of a mile from where we lived in Reno, Nevada.

Now we have had two wonderful chihuahua/terrier mixes even though when I heard that the Humane Society was bringing over a chihuahua for possible adoption I was dead set against it until I saw the dog. This was around 2007 and we have had chihuahua/terriers since.

We had a cocker spaniel before that named Amber which is a very sweet breed but has a lot of in-bred problems. She made the journey from Sonoma County, CA to Palm Harbor, FL in 1996.

The dog that got bit in this story is a cocker spaniel. My dog does not like it when he licks him in the face. So I keep them away from one another.

We had a Dalmation before the cocker spaniel who would get very protective of anyone it was sharing a bed with to the point of biting you. Kind of a very nutty dog. Hyperactive, neurotic and hard of hearing.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sounds like pit bulls need a publicity campaign manager, because I think that many people really don't believe that they are as harmless as other breeds.

Other breeds aren't "harmless." ALL dog breeds have the capacity and potential to be dangerous. Some are bred to be stronger than others. Some are bred to be more agile, more attentive, more focused. And some of -those- that have been specifically bred to be stronger, more agile, more attentive, and more focused, have also been -trained- to be aggressive. You put that combination together in a salad bowl and you have a victim just waiting to be bit.

The statistics in a subsequent post don't account for what the victim was doing at the time of the attack against him/her. If a dog is killing its owner, then its owner did something wrong. Either through bad training, bad treatment, their own bad behavior, or just flat out lack of respect for the animal's power.

Some people will take a rescue pit home, thinking they can change them and be the next Caesar Milan. Some of those people realize that they aren't, and will never be the next Caesar Milan. And some, sadly, don't realize that til the damage is already done. That is the fault of the person, not the dog.

Just like - it's a bad idea to have a staring contest with a rottweiler (bet a lot of you didn't know that) - it's also a bad idea to behave in a way that an animal trained to kill might misunderstand or misinterpret.

[B-flat]

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:mademyday: :clap2: :1rotfl:

Plus one. Strictly my opinaion here, I will add I haveno use for pit bulls. I never heard of a Golden Retriever, Bichon or Labradoodle attacking a person or another dog. Pit bulls should not be bred.

[Boomer]

Sounds like pit bulls need a publicity campaign manager, because I think that many people really don't believe that they are as harmless as other breeds.

Oh, but, rg123, I think pit bulls already had a campaign manager — Cesar Millan — who made a lot of people think they needed to save a pit bull. Too many people can become completely enchanted with what their screens are telling them to believe.

Now, here we are with rescue organizations and pounds having a big percentage of pit bulls.

I know someone who worked for a large insurance company who told me the majority of dog attack claims are from encounters with pit bulls.

Nature? Nurture?

Just like with people it is both. But Nature is in there from the start.

For instance, many years ago, we had a beautiful Brittany spaniel. We were looking for a middle-sized dog and I really like floppy, curly ears so we chose a Brittany. She cost us 50 bucks — it was a long, long time ago. (I was still cute and drove a Triumph. (sigh)) But, I digress.

Anyway, we did not hunt birds. Never did. Never will. But that gorgeous Brittany (orange and white) naturally sniffed for birds, and, all-the-time, would go into a perfect point that she could hold forever. (She looked like a bird dog in a painting.)

We did not teach her to do that. We were so dumb, we did not even realize we had bought ourselves a descendent of field champions. We just wanted a cute puppy that would grow into a middle-sized dog.

My point is that she was responding to her nature, even though sometimes, in our yard, she had to deign to pointing squirrels.

She probably thought we were big losers for wasting her gifts, but she had a happy long life as a house dog that got to go outside to sniff and play a lot.

My Brittany spaniel manual said, “The Brittany is at home at the hearth, as well as at the hunt.” She got hearth, as well as air-conditioning, though she never got to hunt for real. But we tried to let her enjoy her nature whenever we could. She was a joy to see in that perfect point. That she was never trained to do.

Every dog breed has its history and nature. Of course nurture is important. But we did not train our Brittany to point.. She surprised the heck out of us the first time she did it.

Pit bulls are naturally strong of body and jaw and tenacious and far too unpredictable for me. I am afraid of them.


PS:Thank you for reading my nostalgic recollection of a Brittany spaniel who taught herself to point and also loved to ride around with me in my Triumph. (sigh)

[Topspinmo]

I have a long term acquaintance whose dog was ripped up quite badly ($1200 worth of wounds that needed fixing by Buffalo Ridge Vets) by two pit bulls. This was though while he was trying to return a cell phone to his neighbors who opened the door when this guy knocked or rang the bell. The acquaintance had taken the dog to the pit bulls' house. And they attacked viciously. One of the owners of the pit bulls did get hurt trying to pull these two dogs off of the much smaller dog.

Please keep the details out of this any more than this if you know whom I am talking about here.

Just wanted to talk more about pit bulls some of whom get a bad rap. I have met maybe a couple dozen pit bulls that are a lot sweeter than most of the small dogs I have met.

The dog that got attacked is an extremely gentle pooch. Not a mean gene in its body.

Other pit bulls if I am not familiar with them I avoid as much as possible as there are very nasty pit bulls out there. But these have usually been mistreated or trained to kill other dogs for the amusement of their owners and money for various parties.

My sister-in-law's family has often had pit bulls and she adopted what looked like a pit bull/boxer mix last year from Max's Pet Connection in Lady Lake. She throws all kind of love at their dog as does the rest of her family.
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I do have a female friend who had a gentle pit bull mix that did eventually get a bit aggressive when it would play rough with a boxer mix. The dog never harmed another dog though as far as I know.

My neighbor in Palm Harbor raised two pit bulls and was in hot water with the authorities for mistreating one of these dogs. Both of which were quite gentle but he kept them in cages. He had tied one to his car and tried to walk it in the neighborhood from a leash out his car's window. The cops followed the blood trial to his house after a teen called 911.

This neighbor fought to get the pit bull back from the authorities. There was a lot of resistance in the community and this did make the various Tampa Bay news stations and newspapers.

But, small dog can’t bit dog in half and mull some one to death. Pits bulls have jaws of steal, once they clamp down like snapping turtle, you practically have to cut there head offs to get them loose. Yes some are not aggressive, but, like loaded old Remington 700 you don’t know what will set it off. Knowing that the neighbors had two pit bulls I would never take dog close to they’re domaine.

[Topspinmo]

Oh, but, rg123, I think pit bulls already had a campaign manager — Cesar Millan — who made a lot of people think they needed to save a pit bull. Too many people can become completely enchanted with what their screens are telling them to believe.

Now, here we are with rescue organizations and pounds having a big percentage of pit bulls.

I know someone who worked for a large insurance company who told me the majority of dog attack claims are from encounters with pit bulls.

Nature? Nurture?

Just like with people it is both. But Nature is in there from the start.

For instance, many years ago, we had a beautiful Brittany spaniel. We were looking for a middle-sized dog and I really like floppy, curly, ears so we chose a Brittany. She cost us 50 bucks — it was a long, long time ago. (I was still cute and drove a Triumph. (sigh)) But, I digress.

Anyway, we did not hunt birds. Never did. Never will. But that gorgeous Brittany (orange and white) naturally sniffed for birds, and, all-the-time, would go into a perfect point that she could hold forever. (She looked like a bird dog in a painting.)

We did not teach her to do that. We were so dumb, we did not even realize we had bought ourselves a descendent of field champions. We just wanted a cute puppy that would grow into a middle-sized dog.

My point is that she was responding to her nature, even though sometimes, in our yard, she had to deign to pointing squirrels.

She probably thought we were big losers for wasting her gifts, but she had a happy long life as a house dog that got to go outside to sniff and play a lot.

My Brittany spaniel manual said, “The Brittany is at home at the hearth, as well as at the hunt.” She got hearth, as well as air-conditioning. But we tried to let her enjoy her nature whenever we could. She was a joy to see in that perfect point. That she was never trained to do.

Every dog breed has its history and nature. Of course nurture is important. But we did not train our Brittany to point.. She surprised the heck out of us the first time she did it.

Pit bulls are naturally strong of body and jaw and tenacious and far too unpredictable for me. I am askeered of ‘em.


PS:Thank you for reading my nostalgic recollection of a Brittany spaniel who taught herself to point and also loved to ride around with me in my Triumph. (sigh)

99% of dog owners are not dog whisperers.

[Topspinmo]

Plus one. Strictly my opinaion here, I will add I haveno use for pit bulls. I never heard of a Golden Retriever, Bichon or Labradoodle attacking a person or another dog. Pit bulls should not be bred.

They do, but rarely kill someone or chew their face off.

[Topspinmo]

1. Judge Judy...seriously?
2. The context of this thread is not about a dog not being leashed in public. It's about a dog on a leash, being led to private property, where two dogs legally reside within the dwelling on that private property. The leashed dog, who was a visitor, uninvited, was attacked on private property by the dogs that have legal residence on that property.

In the OP, there is no mention that the dogs ever left private property, with or without a leash.

3. The "lockjaw" mechanism of pitbulls is an urban legend. It is not true. In addition, the biting and shaking behavior is common for all species of dog, it's not specific to pits, or even specific to guard dogs, or trained dogs, or agressive dogs. You can even buy tug-o-war toys in all pet stores to accommodate play with this behavior. The toys are sized for all types and varieties of dogs, from miniature chihuahuas to Cane Corsos and everything inbetween.

4. Pit bulls (one t - unless you're referring to Brad) are not only Staffordshire Terriors. Pit bull is a category that includes four different breeds of terrior/bull mixes, with a fifth considered by some dog fanciers. According to Wikipedia:


Most of this stuff you can easily find with a google search.

If they escaped out the door They was in violation of leash laws. You’re front door without fenced yard and sign that says do not enter killer dogs is public access. Even then, you can’t stop someone from coming to front door, you don’t have answer it, but they have legal right to enter and knock.

[Taltarzac725]

Other breeds aren't "harmless." ALL dog breeds have the capacity and potential to be dangerous. Some are bred to be stronger than others. Some are bred to be more agile, more attentive, more focused. And some of -those- that have been specifically bred to be stronger, more agile, more attentive, and more focused, have also been -trained- to be aggressive. You put that combination together in a salad bowl and you have a victim just waiting to be bit.

The statistics in a subsequent post don't account for what the victim was doing at the time of the attack against him/her. If a dog is killing its owner, then its owner did something wrong. Either through bad training, bad treatment, their own bad behavior, or just flat out lack of respect for the animal's power.

Some people will take a rescue pit home, thinking they can change them and be the next Caesar Milan. Some of those people realize that they aren't, and will never be the next Caesar Milan. And some, sadly, don't realize that til the damage is already done. That is the fault of the person, not the dog.

Just like - it's a bad idea to have a staring contest with a rottweiler (bet a lot of you didn't know that) - it's also a bad idea to behave in a way that an animal trained to kill might misunderstand or misinterpret.

I do see some interesting stuff written by Cesar Milan about pit bulls. Why I love pit bulls | Cesar's Way (https://www.cesarsway.com/cesar-millan/cesars-blog/why-i-love-pit-bulls)

[CFrance]

Oh, but, rg123, I think pit bulls already had a campaign manager — Cesar Millan — who made a lot of people think they needed to save a pit bull. Too many people can become completely enchanted with what their screens are telling them to believe.

Now, here we are with rescue organizations and pounds having a big percentage of pit bulls.

I know someone who worked for a large insurance company who told me the majority of dog attack claims are from encounters with pit bulls.

Nature? Nurture?

Just like with people it is both. But Nature is in there from the start.

For instance, many years ago, we had a beautiful Brittany spaniel. We were looking for a middle-sized dog and I really like floppy, curly ears so we chose a Brittany. She cost us 50 bucks — it was a long, long time ago. (I was still cute and drove a Triumph. (sigh)) But, I digress.

Anyway, we did not hunt birds. Never did. Never will. But that gorgeous Brittany (orange and white) naturally sniffed for birds, and, all-the-time, would go into a perfect point that she could hold forever. (She looked like a bird dog in a painting.)

We did not teach her to do that. We were so dumb, we did not even realize we had bought ourselves a descendent of field champions. We just wanted a cute puppy that would grow into a middle-sized dog.

My point is that she was responding to her nature, even though sometimes, in our yard, she had to deign to pointing squirrels.

She probably thought we were big losers for wasting her gifts, but she had a happy long life as a house dog that got to go outside to sniff and play a lot.

My Brittany spaniel manual said, “The Brittany is at home at the hearth, as well as at the hunt.” She got hearth, as well as air-conditioning, though she never got to hunt for real. But we tried to let her enjoy her nature whenever we could. She was a joy to see in that perfect point. That she was never trained to do.

Every dog breed has its history and nature. Of course nurture is important. But we did not train our Brittany to point.. She surprised the heck out of us the first time she did it.

Pit bulls are naturally strong of body and jaw and tenacious and far too unpredictable for me. I am askeered of ‘em.


PS:Thank you for reading my nostalgic recollection of a Brittany spaniel who taught herself to point and also loved to ride around with me in my Triumph. (sigh)
Unbelievable. We had a Springer Spaniel who so loved riding around with me in my Triumph (TR6) that he wouldn't get out of the car if he deemed the ride too short. And my husband's family's dog from the pound, Boots, once pointed into their refrigerator.


Okay, carry on.

[Chi-Town]

Pit bulls are the dogs of choice of gang members, and I'm not talking about Petey from Our Gang.

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[justjim]

There are estimated to be 90 million dogs in the United States. About 3.5 million are said to be pit bulls. Pit Bulls killed 203 American in the 10 year period from 2005-2014 according to police reports. Of the 326 recorded Fatalities by dogs during this period 62% were said to be Pit Bull attack’s. Even if half of those reported were inaccurate (perhaps some were mix breeds) this would still be a huge number. Many others that survived were disfigured for life.

I know some say these figures are inaccurate and you can’t contribute all of these attacks to the Pit Bull breed. However, anyway you want to spin these numbers any reasonable person is going to conclude there is cause to be diligent when dealing with a Pit Bull or a dog mixed with such a breed. Perhaps the Pit Bull has gotten a “bad rap”, you be the judge. “Figures don’t lie but liars figure”.

[Boomer]

Unbelievable. We had a Springer Spaniel who so loved riding around with me in my Triumph (TR6) that he wouldn't get out of the car if he deemed the ride too short. And my husband's family's dog from the pound, Boots, once pointed into their refrigerator.


Okay, carry on.


Hi, CFrance,

Mine was a Triumph GT6.

[JimJohnson]

A pit bull has the ability to kill humans; hence, owners should be required special training on how to handle these dogs and they should require special registration certificates. I absolutely love dogs, but in a community like the villages, I consider any pit bull or like dog to be more dangerous than gun owners, even those without training. Lions, tigers and bears can be trained to be gentle, but even they occasionally kill their trainers. Some animals have the ability to overpower humans and must be properly constrained. Call me silly, but I have a hard time understanding why anyone would want to own a dog that puts fear into the minds of their neighbors. The life of millions of aggressive bread dogs is not worth the life of one human.

[ColdNoMore]

Pit bulls are nice until they’re not

:agree:. 100%!


That pretty much says it all.

[graciegirl]

A pit bull has the ability to kill humans; hence, owners should be required special training on how to handle these dogs and they should require special registration certificates. I absolutely love dogs, but in a community like the villages, I consider any pit bull or like dog to be more dangerous than gun owners, even those without training. Lions, tigers and bears can be trained to be gentle, but even they occasionally kill their trainers. Some animals have the ability to overpower humans and must be properly constrained. Call me silly, but I have a hard time understanding why anyone would want to own a dog that puts fear into the minds of their neighbors. The life of millions of aggressive bread dogs is not worth the life of one human.

What is a "bread dog"?

Sorry. This is confusing to me. Lions, tigers and bears and gun owners, all in one post. A lot to think about.

I wonder what my favorite dog in the whole world, Crosby, thinks.

[Boomer]

A pit bull has the ability to kill humans; hence, owners should be required special training on how to handle these dogs and they should require special registration certificates. I absolutely love dogs, but in a community like the villages, I consider any pit bull or like dog to be more dangerous than gun owners, even those without training. Lions, tigers and bears can be trained to be gentle, but even they occasionally kill their trainers. Some animals have the ability to overpower humans and must be properly constrained. Call me silly, but I have a hard time understanding why anyone would want to own a dog that puts fear into the minds of their neighbors. The life of millions of aggressive bread dogs is not worth the life of one human.


What is a "bread dog"?

Sorry. This is confusing to me. Lions, tigers and bears and gun owners, all in one post. A lot to think about.


Good morning, Jim Johnson.

Good morning, graciegirl,

graciegirl, Jim means “ aggressive breed dogs” not “bread dogs” — a mere typo, that’s all. Have another cup of coffee. :)

You’re welcome.

Boomer

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Pit bulls are the dogs of choice of gang members, and I'm not talking about Petey from Our Gang.

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Petey was a pit bull.

[graciegirl]

Good morning, Jim Johnson.

Good morning, graciegirl,

graciegirl, Jim means “ aggressive breed dogs” not “bread dogs” — a mere typo, that’s all. Have another cup of coffee. :)

You’re welcome.

Boomer

Boomer is a retired Teacher. So am I. She graded papers in high school. I tried to teach them to wait their turn for the fireman and nurse outfits in the dress up corner. We didn't have guns.

Some villagers have guns. That is their choice and well, you know.

[Taltarzac725]

Petey was a pit bull.


That is interesting. And there were probably several dogs used in this series.
Pete the Pup - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_the_Pup)

[Chi-Town]

That is interesting. And there were probably several dogs used in this TV series.

Pete the Pup - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_the_Pup)Not sure about a TV series as Petey retired in 1938. Our Gang aka The Little Rascals lived on as episodes from the past.

Here's an interesting movie made about the cast with interviews:

Inside the Clubhouse - Our Gang 1984 FULL MOVIE - YouTube (https://youtu.be/j4Rb2fpPb_0)



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[Taltarzac725]

Not sure about a TV series as Petey retired in 1938. Our Gang aka The Little Rascals lived on as episodes from the past.

Here's an interesting movie made about the cast with interviews:

Inside the Clubhouse - Our Gang 1984 FULL MOVIE - YouTube (https://youtu.be/j4Rb2fpPb_0)



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Thanks. I will have to take a look at that.

[seoulbrooks]

They kill many more than alligators...…..but we had Larry removed?????