Please investigate the truth

[jebartle]

FACT CHECK, FACT CHECK, NO MATTER what your persuasion . Sure hope this does NOT go political because this is so important, this would apply to life. So many times I hear Villagers say "How can I believe what I read and hear?", and in this time, more than any other, it's time for ALL of us to do our homework and investigate where the truth lies. We are so fortunate to have technology at our finger tips, please put the truth as your priority.

[fw102807]

FACT CHECK, FACT CHECK, NO MATTER what your persuasion . Sure hope this does NOT go political because this is so important, this would apply to life. So many times I hear Villagers say "How can I believe what I read and hear?", and in this time, more than any other, it's time for ALL of us to do our homework and investigate where the truth lies. We are so fortunate to have technology at our finger tips, please put the truth as your priority.

I wrote a post about this a while back but it got completely taken sideways and closed. Absolutely you cannot believe everything you read or hear even if it seems like it comes from a valid source.

[manaboutown]

Absolutely you cannot believe everything you read or hear even if it seems like it comes from a valid source.

:agree:

[JoMar]

Not sure there is a "valid source" anymore. Seems every site, every person, every everything and everybody has their own agenda and caters to what ever they want to promote. Much of it profit motivated, much of it total disregard for what's in it for everyone. My latest example it the position of Boeing in the latest 737 Max accidents. Everyone else grounded the planes except the US and when it was finally mandated Boeing agreed stating "an abundance of caution". So, where is or who is, a "valid source". Wait, is it on the internet, silly me, then it must be true :)

[SouthOfTheBorder]

FACT CHECK, FACT CHECK, NO MATTER what your persuasion . Sure hope this does NOT go political because this is so important, this would apply to life. So many times I hear Villagers say "How can I believe what I read and hear?", and in this time, more than any other, it's time for ALL of us to do our homework and investigate where the truth lies. We are so fortunate to have technology at our finger tips, please put the truth as your priority.

OP, What is your basis for deciding it is the truth?

I find "truth" to be in the eye of the beholder.

IMO this post is an example of that. :)

Don

[Mortal1]

Fact check all you like...it does not mean what you check isn't a lie also...yes I am a professional cynic...working for over 30 years in gov't does that...you should have learned by now that the internet can be manipulated so you'll never know the truth.

Go by: common sense(very rare) and your instincts(if you haven't developed any then best of luck?)

[gatorbill1]

Watch all news stations to get all sides before making a decision on how you feel

[VillageIdiots]

... it's time for ALL of us to do our homework and investigate where the truth lies. We are so fortunate to have technology at our finger tips...

By all means, look things up online to find the truth. Won't find any fake news out there.

Your best bet is to use your common sense. Ask yourself if what you are hearing and seeing makes sense to you. Give some consideration to what's in it for whomever you are hearing it from.

[thetruth]

FACT CHECK, FACT CHECK, NO MATTER what your persuasion . Sure hope this does NOT go political because this is so important, this would apply to life. So many times I hear Villagers say "How can I believe what I read and hear?", and in this time, more than any other, it's time for ALL of us to do our homework and investigate where the truth lies. We are so fortunate to have technology at our finger tips, please put the truth as your priority.

For so much of life it is opinion. Some people do not realize what they think is fact is actually opinion.

Examples-medical. You see one doctor and they say do ???????
You see another doctor and they say do nothing as the treatment downsides outweigh the possible benefit. It is your life. You may not be licensed to make a choice. In the end the result of the choice made is your quality of life.

So many others that appear on this website and many others.
Investments, purchases, lawn care and so many more.

Research. Today, research is far easier to do. Long gone are the days when you used to go to the library, find a magazine article or book on the subject-hope it is in. A change will have new issues.

People do not realize that people reading an e-mail do not know you, do not see your facial expression. Along with the internet, many have lost the ability to speak to each other.

Realize, we have many opportunities to easily gather information from others. Sadly, MY OPINION, many people just want to talk to people who agree with them and think anyone that does not think what they think is stupid, a fool or.

My view, for the best of my human ability is you learn far more from people who disagree with you than from people who think what you think. As Condi Rice has said, if all your friends agree with you, you need some new friends.

Beware-as humans we rarely accept blame. Most do not see that the blame is theirs. To say it a different way, you have control of what you do. You have at best limited control about what others do.

FACTS-even that is not simple. So many FACTS have over time proven, discovered to be mistaken opinion.

[Taltarzac725]

Call or visit a reference librarian to get reliable sources on issues you might have. They can usually give you all kinds of ways to get as many of the actual facts as you can handle.

[Arctic Fox]

"History is written by the victors"

[Two Bills]

You Can't Handle the Truth! - A Few Good Men (7/8) Movie CLIP (1992) HD - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk)

[thetruth]

Not sure there is a "valid source" anymore. Seems every site, every person, every everything and everybody has their own agenda and caters to what ever they want to promote. Much of it profit motivated, much of it total disregard for what's in it for everyone. My latest example it the position of Boeing in the latest 737 Max accidents. Everyone else grounded the planes except the US and when it was finally mandated Boeing agreed stating "an abundance of caution". So, where is or who is, a "valid source". Wait, is it on the internet, silly me, then it must be true :)

Do you not see that your post is your opinion.

Far as the 737 accidents. Everyone but the US grounded them till it was mandated. All of life is a risk. Whether we realize it or not we regularly choose is the benefit worth the risk the cost etc.

Some famous similar events. The Chevy Corvair. We all know, or think we know about it. The problem was according to stuff I read many years ago was due to pricing issues the car was built with undersized torsion bars (spring system) and that caused the car to under-steer and then over steer causing average drivers to roll them. The later Corvairs were improved. A friend has one and it is a great driving car. The car was ruined by it's early reputation.

The 737 max may well suffer the same fate as the Corvair a soiled reputation. Tried in the press by people who are not at all qualified to judge. The 737 max is not the only plane with problems-issues. There was or is an Airbus where the tail has more than once fallen off.

WHAT IF-is always a question that we do our best to deal with.

[Bucco]

OP, What is your basis for deciding it is the truth?

I find "truth" to be in the eye of the beholder.

IMO this post is an example of that. :)

Don

Yes and no.

You can check and easily determine outright bold face lies, especially easy to check FACTS, and then run away from liars.

I think Tals referred to librarians.....I just say. READ READ READ

[fw102807]

...yes I am a professional cynic...

I am as well. I believe nothing, fact check everything and then still question it.

[jebartle]

I still believe that the truth is important. When a kid, I can remember the threat of a bar of soap in my mouth if caught in a lie. These days, I hear, "it's just a stretch of the truth or an exaggeration ", No, really, it's a lie! If 80% of your investigation leads you to a consensus of a conclusion, why would you question that decision. IMHO

[seoulbrooks]

Not Hollywood elites, not written press, not televised news, not the college educators or campus, not www info, not our life long politicians. So, where is the real truth? good luck finding it...….but do search hard and try to educate yourself.

[Bucco]

I still believe that the truth is important. When a kid, I can remember the threat of a bar of soap in my mouth if caught in a lie. These days, I hear, "it's just a stretch of the truth or an exaggeration ", No, really, it's a lie! If 80% of your investigation leads you to a consensus of a conclusion, why would you question that decision. IMHO

Great post. Truth defines your character.

No legacy is so rich as honesty.

. William Shakespeare

[Bogie Shooter]

If I watch and listen to a live event and know what the person said, that is my basis for truth.
The next day that person is questioned about what they said and the reply is "no I didn't say that...that is just fake news.
My conclusion..that person is a liar!

[graciegirl]

Fact check all you like...it does not mean what you check isn't a lie also...yes I am a professional cynic...working for over 30 years in gov't does that...you should have learned by now that the internet can be manipulated so you'll never know the truth.

Go by: common sense(very rare) and your instincts(if you haven't developed any then best of luck?)

Well said. I only allow myself to read the sources that have always been good, even though now I read far too many opinions on all of them in lieu of facts. The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, Vox, AP, Forbes, Pew Research, Nielsen Ratings. I give a wide berth to Breitbart and Mother Jones etc.etc. and all of those really extreme in political bias. I TRY to find the truth, admitting to having my own bias. I try to allow my mind to be changed and it has been with enough evidence and valid arguments that are presented in an unemotional way. A good argument is usually brief. If it is very long I began to get skeptical.

[Bucco]

If I watch and listen to a live event and know what the person said, that is my basis for truth.
The next day that person is questioned about what they said and the reply is "no I didn't say that...that is just fake news.
My conclusion..that person is a liar!

Aren't video tapes and audio tapes great ?

[JoMar]

Do you not see that your post is your opinion.

Far as the 737 accidents. Everyone but the US grounded them till it was mandated. All of life is a risk. Whether we realize it or not we regularly choose is the benefit worth the risk the cost etc.

Some famous similar events. The Chevy Corvair. We all know, or think we know about it. The problem was according to stuff I read many years ago was due to pricing issues the car was built with undersized torsion bars (spring system) and that caused the car to under-steer and then over steer causing average drivers to roll them. The later Corvairs were improved. A friend has one and it is a great driving car. The car was ruined by it's early reputation.

The 737 max may well suffer the same fate as the Corvair a soiled reputation. Tried in the press by people who are not at all qualified to judge. The 737 max is not the only plane with problems-issues. There was or is an Airbus where the tail has more than once fallen off.

WHAT IF-is always a question that we do our best to deal with.

Of course it is my opinion.....if you believe that the "valid sources" don't have an agenda and don't have a bias that's your opinion too.Not sure what you point is. If we didn't buy into their agendas and biases they would have no ratings or sales....and they know that.

Comparing the 737 Max to the Corvair is interesting. Unless Ralph Nadar is writing another book I suspect the Max will be back in the air within 60 days if the software fix proves itself. Airbus had a similar issue with Quantas flight 72 in 2008, software was also to blame for their issue.

My issue was that Boeing kept saying the plane was safe when pilots, flight attendants and passengers weren't so sure. It took a mandate for the CEO to make the "abundance of caution" comment. Fortunately, they are now on the ground, and while they will fly again, they should stay there until the MCAS is proven fixed.

[Garywt]

I have no idea what the OP is even talking about let alone how anyone is answering it. Makes no sense to me.

[anothersteve]

I have no idea what the OP is even talking about let alone how anyone is answering it. Makes no sense to me.

Man ...I was just thinking the same thing!
Steve

[Polar Bear]

I have no idea what the OP is even talking about let alone how anyone is answering it. Makes no sense to me.
Man ...I was just thinking the same thing!...
That makes three of us.

[graciegirl]

That makes three of us.

I'm in.

[jebartle]

Some question my post, my answer is simple, being truthful REALLY matters to me. If I suspect a liar I fact check and draw conclusions thru investigating. I'm not suRe truth matters anymore. Sad!

[graciegirl]

Some question my post, my answer is simple, being truthful REALLY matters to me. If I suspect a liar I fact check and draw conclusions thru investigating. I'm not suRe truth matters anymore. Sad!

I am not surprised that you like truth. You and your posts always reflect decent and honest and kind thinking.

[Bucco]

Some question my post, my answer is simple, being truthful REALLY matters to me. If I suspect a liar I fact check and draw conclusions thru investigating. I'm not suRe truth matters anymore. Sad!

ALL decent folks know liars and they usually repel them.

I agree, truth is losing its importance and that is sad and not without consequences to us and our children over the years.

Your post was questioned by 4 posters and was done with sarcasm. Some cannot address truth thus......

Your respect and honor for truth is noted and applauded

[retiredguy123]

When watching "so called" professional journalists interview someone, I often wonder why they allow an interviewee to get away with lies or untruths just to keep the interview going so they can cover all of the scheduled topics. Sometimes, I wish they would stop the interview and force the interviewee to acknowledge the truth or terminate the interview. Maybe that would promote more truthfulness.

[Kerry Azz]

Fact check all you like...it does not mean what you check isn't a lie also...yes I am a professional cynic...working for over 30 years in gov't does that...you should have learned by now that the internet can be manipulated so you'll never know the truth.If it walks like a duck

Go by: common sense(very rare) and your instincts(if you haven't developed any then best of luck?)

If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck it is a duck. If you’re caught with your hand in the cookie jar and deny it you’re still guilty saying it isn’t so doesn’t make it true.

[fw102807]

It's called perception management.

[retiredguy123]

If I invited someone into my house, and they lied to me, I would not invite them back. But, apparently, journalists who conduct all types of news and talk shows don't have any ethics with respect to lying and saying things that are not true. They continue to invite the same people back onto their show to tell more lies. I never went to journalism school, but I would think that there should be some kind of rule or policy about this.

[jebartle]

If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck it is a duck. If you’re caught with your hand in the cookie jar and deny it you’re still guilty saying it isn’t so doesn’t make it true.

But if the duck quacks on video, and then says he didn't quack, that would be a lie!!!!

[Bucco]

But if the duck quacks on video, and then says he didn't quack, that would be a lie!!!!

To most, but apparently not all

[jebartle]

If I invited someone into my house, and they lied to me, I would not invite them back. But, apparently, journalists who conduct all types of news and talk shows don't have any ethics with respect to lying and saying things that are not true. They continue to invite the same people back onto their show to tell more lies. I never went to journalism school, but I would think that there should be some kind of rule or policy about this.

All I'm saying is do your do diligence, fact check MANY sources, then and only then, draw your educated conclusion. These days we have many examples of who does NOT know how to tell the truth, in the mean time, our children are listening and learning that they too, can get away with LIES.
I've tried to keep politics out of this post, in spite of the elephant in the room, isn't it possible to put aside our "leanings" and JUST DO THE RIGHT THING and tell the truth. Surely to goodness, we can agree on THAT!

[retiredguy123]

All I'm saying is do your do diligence, fact check MANY sources, then and only then, draw your educated conclusion. These days we have many examples of who does NOT know how to tell the truth, in the mean time, our children are listening and learning that they too, can get away with LIES.
I've tried to keep politics out of this post, in spite of the elephant in the room, isn't it possible to put aside our "leanings" and JUST DO THE RIGHT THING and tell the truth. Surely to goodness, we can agree on THAT!
I agree, but, no, it is not possible.

[Bogie Shooter]

When watching "so called" professional journalists interview someone, I often wonder why they allow an interviewee to get away with lies or untruths just to keep the interview going so they can cover all of the scheduled topics. Sometimes, I wish they would stop the interview and force the interviewee to acknowledge the truth or terminate the interview. Maybe that would promote more truthfulness.

You mean like in a press conference?

[graciegirl]

I am totally not getting this. Is it some sort of disguised political discussion?

[Bogie Shooter]

What is behind door #1?

[jebartle]

I am totally not getting this. Is it some sort of disguised political discussion?

Gracie, I'm trying not to mention the elephant in the roomthat LIES, and trying to get all of us to FACT CHECK, Please!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't think it's disguised at all. It's pretty clear, to me. Though which side of which lies the OP is siding with, is not transparent. WHICH entity does he/she feel is doing the lying?

If someone told me "if you go on this diet, you'll cleanse your colon and be healthier than ever" I'll tell them they're full of the crap they think I'm going to cleanse. How do I know this? Because science. Colons are supposed to be dirty. If you cleanse them, you'll get sick. Unless it's a one-time deal for colonoscopy prep, your body should be cleansing itself. If that diet isn't making you sick, it's because it's a healthy diet. NOT because it's cleansing your colon.

That's just one example of learning to find truth in fiction.

[photo1902]

And this thread has officially gone in the toilet.

[Bogie Shooter]

I don't think it's disguised at all. It's pretty clear, to me. Though which side of which lies the OP is siding with, is not transparent. WHICH entity does he/she feel is doing the lying?

If someone told me "if you go on this diet, you'll cleanse your colon and be healthier than ever" I'll tell them they're full of the crap they think I'm going to cleanse. How do I know this? Because science. Colons are supposed to be dirty. If you cleanse them, you'll get sick. Unless it's a one-time deal for colonoscopy prep, your body should be cleansing itself. If that diet isn't making you sick, it's because it's a healthy diet. NOT because it's cleansing your colon.

That's just one example of learning to find truth in fiction.

Ah, the solution to stop the lying......a good colon cleaning.

[retiredguy123]

Have you heard of Colin Powell's half brother, Semi?

[graciegirl]

Have you heard of Colin Powell's half brother, Semi?

There went another nice keyboard.

[ColdNoMore]

FACT CHECK, FACT CHECK, NO MATTER what your persuasion . Sure hope this does NOT go political because this is so important, this would apply to life. So many times I hear Villagers say "How can I believe what I read and hear?", and in this time, more than any other, it's time for ALL of us to do our homework and investigate where the truth lies. We are so fortunate to have technology at our finger tips, please put the truth as your priority.

Facts DO matter...thanks for the thread. :thumbup:

[Bay Kid]

It is hard to believe anyone any more. Fact check? How do we know that is true? News, not anymore. Sad

[Bay Kid]

There went another nice keyboard.

Hahaha

[justjim]

Watch all news stations to get all sides before making a decision on how you feel

Excellent advice...:mademyday:

[Polar Bear]

Facts DO matter...thanks for the thread. :thumbup:
Once again we agree, CNM. You just have to be careful that the things you are reading and hearing that are presented as facts are indeed...well...facts. :)

[justjim]

“The difference between a wise person and another person is that a wise person has the ability to change his mind”. Justjim

[Bucco]

Once again we agree, CNM. You just have to be careful to make sure what you're reading as facts are indeed...well...facts. :)

FACTS ARE so easy to determine, as opposed to opinions.

FACTS are easily determined. As another poster mentioned....amazing to see a video of something and the person on the video saying he or she did not say it.

NO, IT IS INFINITELY easy to determine facts, IF we wish to.

Which brings up those that do not care about truth, the enablers if you will. THEY are truly dangerous, to everyone and everything. That belief means above TRUTH is something else driving acceptance of lies......again, as another poster mentioned......we seem to be losing sight of what truth is.

Opinions are one thing....BUT facts are facts.....I want to hear opinions , EXCEPT if you lie, you are a liar....simple as that and that, for me closes it.....why would anyone ever listen to a liar again, they are "using you" by lying....they are, in essence saying they have no respect for you, nor think you are smart enough to know they are lying. I think back to any liars I have known and I feel used by them as they "used" me to enhance themselves whether the lie made them look good or someone else look bad (another liar characteristic is to demean others)

10 Toxic People You Should Avoid Like the Plague | Inc.com (https://www.inc.com/lolly-daskal/10-toxic-people-you-should-avoid-like-the-plague.html)

To avoid being suckered by liars, do as so many have mentioned.....read and investigate and when you find a liar shut him or her out...because acceptance makes you an enabler and part of the lie.

[jebartle]

FACTS ARE so easy to determine, as opposed to opinions.

FACTS are easily determined. As another poster mentioned....amazing to see a video of something and the person on the video saying he or she did not say it.

NO, IT IS INFINITELY easy to determine facts, IF we wish to.

Which brings up those that do not care about truth, the enablers if you will. THEY are truly dangerous, to everyone and everything. That belief means above TRUTH is something else driving acceptance of lies......again, as another poster mentioned......we seem to be losing sight of what truth is.

Opinions are one thing....BUT facts are facts.....I want to hear opinions , EXCEPT if you lie, you are a liar....simple as that and that, for me closes it.....why would anyone ever listen to a liar again, they are "using you" by lying....they are, in essence saying they have no respect for you, nor think you are smart enough to know they are lying. I think back to any liars I have known and I feel used by them as they "used" me to enhance themselves whether the lie made them look good or someone else look bad (another liar characteristic is to demean others)

10 Toxic People You Should Avoid Like the Plague | Inc.com (https://www.inc.com/lolly-daskal/10-toxic-people-you-should-avoid-like-the-plague.html)

To avoid being suckered by liars, do as so many have mentioned.....read and investigate and when you find a liar shut him or her out...because acceptance makes you an enabler and part of the lie.

PERFECT! :bigbow::bigbow:

[graciegirl]

Good morning.

Everybody has lied. Some people are pathological liars and know they are deceiving and enjoy tricking people. Some people lie every once in awhile to keep from hurting others, (yes, you look good in that dress) and some people always tell the truth, although saying nothing is so much better.

Some people are far better than others in telling lies and some are better in telling the truth. Some people speak clearly and everyone knows what they mean and others are not so good at communicating.

It is going to be a beautiful day in The Villages.

[fw102807]

FACTS ARE so easy to determine, as opposed to opinions.



“We live in a world where unfortunately the distinction between true and false appears to become increasingly blurred by manipulation of facts, by exploitation of uncritical minds, and by the pollution of the language.”
― Arne Tiselius

[jebartle]

Maybe the ones that "don't get this post", do not investigate facts from several news sources or are believers and not interested in investigating the facts or re-evaluating their leanings (maybe, just maybe, you COULD come to another conclusion!!!!!

[Bucco]

Good morning.

Everybody has lied. Some people are pathological liars and know they are deceiving and enjoy tricking people. Some people lie every once in awhile to keep from hurting others, (yes, you look good in that dress) and some people always tell the truth, although saying nothing is so much better.

Some people are far better than others in telling lies and some are better in telling the truth. Some people speak clearly and everyone knows what they mean and others are not so good at communicating.

It is going to be a beautiful day in The Villages.

I think this thread is NOT about us as individuals except using as an example in some cases, was about public acceptance of facts, not personal. Each determines on a personal level who is a lair and not....each of us, as you say has fibbed for sure, but we are talking about media and public...that was clearly stated in the OP and beyond.

LIARS in the public arena are much worse in that they reach millions and millions with lies, whether they be an opinion presenter on TV or an elected official or named department head. THESE LIARS affect all our lives. What you speak of is simply a matter of being selective and wise, but funny how we all say we will not accept liars in our personal life but we seem to accept them, as presented in this thread, where they are named, elected or hired to protect the truth.

[Bucco]

“We live in a world where unfortunately the distinction between true and false appears to become increasingly blurred by manipulation of facts, by exploitation of uncritical minds, and by the pollution of the language.”
― Arne Tiselius

He was absolutely correct IN HIS TIME. He was born in 1902 and died in the 70s's. Times have changed since he said that....we now have access to more facts than ever before and YES, they can be manipulated but the responsibility for not accepting lies is OURS.

Frankly, the manipulation of facts increases as we have so much more ability to determine what they are, which leads me to believe it is US who do not care much about facts anymore and that is sad and what bothers me more than anything because you are now open to so much more manipulation by gifted liars who shout down the truth.

[fw102807]

He was absolutely correct IN HIS TIME. He was born in 1902 and died in the 70s's. Times have changed since he said that....we now have access to more facts than ever before and YES, they can be manipulated but the responsibility for not accepting lies is OURS.

Frankly, the manipulation of facts increases as we have so much more ability to determine what they are, which leads me to believe it is US who do not care much about facts anymore and that is sad and what bothers me more than anything because you are now open to so much more manipulation by gifted liars who shout down the truth.

Fact manipulation is easier now than it has ever been. Quotes taken out of context, pictures that have been photoshopped, videos that have been edited, studies presented with inaccurate statistics etc

[Bucco]

Fact manipulation is easier now than it has ever been. Quotes taken out of context, pictures that have been photoshopped, videos that have been edited, studies presented with inaccurate statistics etc

The flip side is that almost all NEWS is backed up with video and tape recordings.

NO major newspaper does not back up interviews with tapes and we see video every day, of course then told the video is a lie :)

Questions asked and answered are basically all on video or simple tape recording. Even those "sources" are known by the media and if pushed it is available

Pretty transparent actually.

Just to respond to the poster who asked....why would anyone have an guest interviewed that lies......ANSWER.....sometimes to get his/her lies on video, and in others...that person who lies is who the organization sends as you try to cover the news.

I did a lot of this for a living, well before the advent of so much tape, etc, and even then....EVERYTHING was documented on established reliable media.......the biggest asset that these folks have is reputation and integrity and they sure will protect that.

REMEMBER....when you see that liar interviewed on TV, he/she may not care about what you think...they are speaking to those followers who want and devour the lies.

AS a PS.....quotes, again on the major newspapers, etc, are sometimes edited for space, but you VERY SELDOM IF EVER SEE SOMEONE CALL ANY MEDIA OUTLET BECAUSE THEY, FOR SURE, CAN BACK IT UP.....THUS THE YELLING HOW THE MANIPULATED A QUOTE IS HOGWASH.....THE MEDIA JUST HAS TO DECIDE WHEN OR IF TO SUPPLY THE BACK UP.

Believe me, the media, or most.....NY TIMES, WASH POST, etc....DO NOT EVER EVER MAKE THINGS UP......if they err someone loss their job......when is the last time you heard a public figure make such a claim of fakery and have it play out that way ??

Nothing Proves You Right Like Getting It on ‘Tape’ - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/magazine/nothing-proves-you-right-like-getting-it-on-tape.html)

[graciegirl]

Fact manipulation is easier now than it has ever been. Quotes taken out of context, pictures that have been photoshopped, videos that have been edited, studies presented with inaccurate statistics etc

So true. Even for the most open minded people, it is difficult to get to the truth. Many of the trusted news sources nowadays have headlines from their opinion writers that are meant to encourage the public to open and read and thus be counted as clickbait, which often governs the financial backing of the news source. When read the headlines turn out to be opinion rather than fact.

Even when the truth is presented, it's veracity is argued and what is accepted by one is not accepted by another.

Many of us have learned to discard all questionable news sources but even those that most people trust, will use headlines that are misleading. It is important to read the entire piece and then get stressed. The more a person is good with words, the more he/she can fool you that he/she is writing the truth. Sometimes bumblers give better "tells".

[Bucco]

So true. Even for the most open minded people, it is difficult to get to the truth. Many of the trusted news sources nowadays have headlines from their opinion writers that are meant to encourage the public to open and read and thus be counted as clickbait, which often governs the financial backing of the news source. When read the headlines turn out to be opinion rather than fact.

Even when the truth is presented, it's veracity is argued and what is accepted by one is not accepted by another.

Many of us have learned to discard all questionable news sources but even those that most people trust, will use headlines that are misleading. It is important to read the entire piece and then get stressed. The more a person is good with words, the more he/she can fool you that he/she is writing the truth. Sometimes bumblers give better "tells".

Would you please supply one specific example of what you are talking about ? One from internet and one from newspaper..

NEWS NOT OPINION PIECES

Maybe Reuters, New York Times,etc.

Thanks

Again, the truth is there and very easy to determine

[graciegirl]

No.

[Bucco]

No.

NONE...NOT ONE can so that is acceptable that you are unable

[jebartle]

The flip side is that almost all NEWS is backed up with video and tape recordings.

NO major newspaper does not back up interviews with tapes and we see video every day, of course then told the video is a lie :)

Questions asked and answered are basically all on video or simple tape recording. Even those "sources" are known by the media and if pushed it is available

Pretty transparent actually.

Just to respond to the poster who asked....why would anyone have an guest interviewed that lies......ANSWER.....sometimes to get his/her lies on video, and in others...that person who lies is who the organization sends as you try to cover the news.

I did a lot of this for a living, well before the advent of so much tape, etc, and even then....EVERYTHING was documented on established reliable media.......the biggest asset that these folks have is reputation and integrity and they sure will protect that.

REMEMBER....when you see that liar interviewed on TV, he/she may not care about what you think...they are speaking to those followers who want and devour the lies.

AS a PS.....quotes, again on the major newspapers, etc, are sometimes edited for space, but you VERY SELDOM IF EVER SEE SOMEONE CALL ANY MEDIA OUTLET BECAUSE THEY, FOR SURE, CAN BACK IT UP.....THUS THE YELLING HOW THE MANIPULATED A QUOTE IS HOGWASH.....THE MEDIA JUST HAS TO DECIDE WHEN OR IF TO SUPPLY THE BACK UP.

Believe me, the media, or most.....NY TIMES, WASH POST, etc....DO NOT EVER EVER MAKE THINGS UP......if they err someone loss their job......when is the last time you heard a public figure make such a claim of fakery and have it play out that way ??

Nothing Proves You Right Like Getting It on ‘Tape’ - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/magazine/nothing-proves-you-right-like-getting-it-on-tape.html)

Again, spot on! If the ONLY news "source" is what the viewer relies on, they are fooling themselves. Investigate, and then, only then make an educated conclusion. When posters say all media is worthless but will base all opinions on one source, one individual and not be open minded to possibly learn the error of their way, based solely on one's bias, they are ONLY fooling them self period.

[Taltarzac725]

Again, spot on! If the ONLY news "source" is what the viewer relies on, they are fooling themselves. Investigate, and then, only then make an educated conclusion. When posters say all media is worthless but will base all opinions on one source, one individual and not be open minded to possibly learn the error of their way, based solely on one's bias, they are ONLY fooling them self period.

I try to look at multiple sources and then get to the facts using my knowledge of history, common sense, and the track record of whomever I am researching to see what kind of reputation for character and truthfulness that person has had over the years.

[Bucco]

Again, spot on! If the ONLY news "source" is what the viewer relies on, they are fooling themselves. Investigate, and then, only then make an educated conclusion. When posters say all media is worthless but will base all opinions on one source, one individual and not be open minded to possibly learn the error of their way, based solely on one's bias, they are ONLY fooling them self period.

I am asserting myself a bit on this thread (to many posters chagrin and displeasure) because I KNOW, not guessing what good journalism looks like and KNOW the backup and checking for accuracy needed before a story sees the light of day.

The attack on these people serve nobody but the attackers attempt to discredit, and thats it.....it seems now to have become the glue that holds a group together and I cry to see any movement based on lying and defamation. THAT is simply wrong.

I recall when BOB Woodward wrote a book and was called a liar among other names UNTIL HE BROUGHT OUT HIS TAPES....nothing since. The NY Times had occasion after much internal discussion to do the same thing (they do not like to do that...ie., make the story about them)

It, with much cheerleading, has become the thing to do.....blame the media for your sins......never thought that people could actually buy into this but it appears some do, thus basing their entire thought process on a lie.

Cable "news" is a joke. The highest rated network are fighting, right now, at least THREE lawsuits for defamation and lying which they will settle at some point.

The only defense for lying is THE TRUTH and for anyone to believe that folks like the NYTIMES, or WASHPOST would in anyway put into jeopardy their integrity or morals...their biggest single asset is simply ludicrous.

[graciegirl]

NONE...NOT ONE can so that is acceptable that you are unable

Oh. O.K...…………










edith ann. and that's the truth. - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=edith+ann.+and+that%27s+the+truth.&form=EDGHPT&qs=PF&cvid=746d1fa066dd41fe90337f93da08d3db&refig=24dd3b6f6ddd4361b9b3fecf963edbb3&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXK1c4IvZoNqPoPnS%21QRLOOrICIxar1F5Vg9y9Me29lO jfP9PSupVUTcpIrZqpS2a2KRjW40K7NyjlMRTjyurONKhYG9uV J4QHjzH*6Oe6VV&plvar=0&PC=DCTS)

[Bucco]

Oh. O.K...…………










edith ann. and that's the truth. - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=edith+ann.+and+that%27s+the+truth.&form=EDGHPT&qs=PF&cvid=746d1fa066dd41fe90337f93da08d3db&refig=24dd3b6f6ddd4361b9b3fecf963edbb3&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXK1c4IvZoNqPoPnS%21QRLOOrICIxar1F5Vg9y9Me29lO jfP9PSupVUTcpIrZqpS2a2KRjW40K7NyjlMRTjyurONKhYG9uV J4QHjzH*6Oe6VV&plvar=0&PC=DCTS)

Gracie, you and others are the ones making the claims, in this case that the media is dishonest, twist things, etc. So, in my humble opinion you have to make a case. You mention "click bait" thus your involvement or knowledge on this seems limited.

If I make a claim, I will back it up with facts and so should you...that is what conversation, debate, discussion is all about.

Your cute little addition is expected......attack the poster and not the subject which is honesty and media accuracy.

[graciegirl]

A sense of humor. It is a wonderful attribute. The most important part is to be able to laugh at oneself.

I believe it either gifted to us at birth or not.

No matter what matters on this day. It will be forgotten ten years from now. Five years from now. One year from now.

It is a shame to manufacture anger when time is so precious.

[Bucco]

A sense of humor. It is a wonderful attribute. The most important part is to be able to laugh at oneself.

I believe it either gifted to us at birth or not.

No matter what matters on this day. It will be forgotten ten years from now. Five years from now. One year from now.

It is a shame to manufacture anger when time is so precious.

Humor is wonderful....glad you think you have it.

I find honesty and truthfulness to be serious, and the OPs thread is not funny, because the results reach far and wide much much longer than a year.

I also think the preservation of TRUTH and HONESTY far outweighs a sense of humor.

By the way, I have not seen any humor in your unfounded accusations, and while you felt you were being "humorous" with your little cute video, I saw it as mocking me, which is typical.

The thread is serious...truth and honesty. It involves all facets of life to know who is lying to us. Joke would work fine on a thread about dog poo, but being honest is a serious subject. If you think it is not, that is your right.

Again, YOU are making claims you cannot back up, then send a cartoon.

Hoping you might add to the actual content of a great thread

[Kenswing]

Fact manipulation is easier now than it has ever been. Quotes taken out of context, pictures that have been photoshopped, videos that have been edited, studies presented with inaccurate statistics etc

The Covington High School fiasco is a perfect example. The media was doing everything in its power to portray the high school kids as the instigators. There was a thread on this forum condemning them and their parents. A good majority of the people on this forum who replied to that thread jumped on that bandwagon.

Then later on the entire video was finally aired. Most everyone then changed their tune.

Even to this day you don't see much coverage on the group that were the real antagonists..

[Bucco]

The Covington High School fiasco is a perfect example. The media was doing everything in its power to portray the high school kids as the instigators. There was a thread on this forum condemning them and their parents. A good majority of the people on this forum who replied to that thread jumped on that bandwagon.

Then later on the entire video was finally aired. Most everyone then changed their tune.

Even to this day you don't see much coverage on the group that were the real antagonists..

Well, I never posted on that ever, and I think it was more of a social media buzz (social media does not equal news)

Fuller Picture Emerges of Viral Video of Native American Man and Catholic Students - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/us/nathan-phillips-covington.html)

The above is the NY TIMES getting it straight as of that time.

Again, I detest social media and do never ever consider a viral video on YouTube, twitter or whatever as anything but junk food.

You have my okay to call me whatever should I comment on any social media video, sans any media representation. I am always amazed at folks who get their "news" from Facebook or that ilk. And I remind you, the fires were stoked and it was the real journalists who put this together and insure the truth got out.

[Kenswing]

Well, I never posted on that ever, and I think it was more of a social media buzz (social media does not equal news)

Fuller Picture Emerges of Viral Video of Native American Man and Catholic Students - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/us/nathan-phillips-covington.html)

The above is the NY TIMES getting it straight as of that time.

Again, I detest social media and do never ever consider a viral video on YouTube, twitter or whatever as anything but junk food.

You have my okay to call me whatever should I comment on any social media video, sans any media representation. I am always amazed at folks who get their "news" from Facebook or that ilk.
You most certainly did, and several times. Here is just one example you posted. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1617654-post9.html

I stand with Nathan Phillips.

A true American in so many ways.

We are teaching hate today by example Here is the entire thread. Some posts were deleted and of course the thread closed. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/proud-parents-282771/#post1617654

I'm sorry to post and run but I've got to go.. :ho:

[Bucco]

One more thing please on social media.

The US government had public hearings on the impact of Facebook postings and the interference by foreign government in such things. They concluded totally, and on both sides, that this foreign government had an intent to divide our country using these mediums, yet we still go to these sites to have our minds raped.

Covington is a case in point. The only report was on such media and the divide took place. Read...read....that is the point of this thread.

A story begun by homevideo on social media isnot bad reporting. Reporting accuretly that such a video was out there and ending such story is good journalism, and that pretty much is what happened.

Stay off those crap websites...their goal is not to tell the truth

[Bucco]

You most certainly did, and several times. Here is just one example you posted. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1617654-post9.html

Here is the entire thread. Some posts were deleted and of course the thread closed. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/proud-parents-282771/#post1617654

I'm sorry to post and run but I've got to go.. :ho:

Yes I did post and sorry I did. if you note in post 18 where I posted that there were more developments and I would wait on more. The Times article and others then surfaced.

Nothing here that I would put on my resume for sure, but also nothing that would make me change one word in this thread, nor my opinion. Unlike many, I do not pass myself off as perfect or even close, but as someone who believes in honesty and truth. NOR do I make false accusations without backing them up.

I certainly am embarrassed that I did not realize the source was a homemade social media post. I avoid that crap, and it is all crap, and it came on here to get me.

Actually, if you read, beginning with post 13, I began to question and ask for links.

[Nucky]

A sense of humor. It is a wonderful attribute. The most important part is to be able to laugh at oneself.

I believe it either gifted to us at birth or not.

No matter what matters on this day. It will be forgotten ten years from now. Five years from now. One year from now.

It is a shame to manufacture anger when time is so precious.

I think I'm gonna side with you, Mrs. Gracie. I really love the posts by Mr. Bucco also, the passion I feel when either one of you posts is wonderful.

But even I often contradict what I think I've said previously. Sometimes proven in print and sometimes pointed out by those around me. I get all heated over things that don't matter. The last thing was a Ford Escape that a fellow poster was having problems with. Which brings me to a question I must pose to myself and others! The Joker - Why So Serious? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/4Vxu2VNWneg) :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bucco]

Again, on the Covington thing. Other than a gotcha on Bucco, which I accept, it does not change anything except to put me down.

Source was not the media, and responsible media went to work to fetter the facts.

But again, Bucco is not the issue...of course he is easier than actually discussing the real issue the OP wanted....TRUTH AND HONESTY.

If you are offended with my posts on that thread, so be it. I accused nobody, attacked nobody, and did not heed my own advice.....never trust social media.

[Taltarzac725]

Historiography (https://qcpages.qc.cuny.edu/writing/history/critical/historiography.html)

I have taken courses in Legal History and the Philosophy of History as well as Historiography. All interesting subjects about facts and which facts matter and which do not.

The journalists who were on site and various incidents are quite important IMHO.

Also read a lot of military history and the people in the battlefields often have little grasp of what is going on right at the time when the bullets, mortars, and bombs are flying.

This is a great movie about soldiers' experience in war during WWI. They Shall Not Grow Old - Official Trailer (2018) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHYRfukHToc)

One of my favorite historians is Barbara Tuchman whose books seem very timely. https://www.amazon.com/March-Folly-Troy-Vietnam/dp/0345308239

Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Barbara W. Tuchman, author of the World War I masterpiece The Guns of August, grapples with her boldest subject: the pervasive presence, through the ages, of failure, mismanagement, and delusion in government.

[Bucco]

I think I'm gonna side with you, Mrs. Gracie. I really love the posts by Mr. Bucco also, the passion I feel when either one of you posts is wonderful.

But even I often contradict what I think I've said previously. Sometimes proven in print and sometimes pointed out by those around me. I get all heated over things that don't matter. The last thing was a Ford Escape that a fellow poster was having problems with. Which brings me to a question I must pose to myself and others! The Joker - Why So Serious? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/4Vxu2VNWneg) :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Are you saying truth and honesty is not important, that lack of even understanding our inability to know truth is not serious ?

Not trying to paint you in the corner, but actually surprised you side with a poster who simply makes accusation, and never offers anything for discussion. Attacking the poster does not get to the point, does it ?

I fully realize that the viewpoint of both of you is skewed, and surely mine is as well. I think itimportant, no vital, that no matter all feelings should be based on truth, not lies....on understanding facts, not simple accusations.

[Nucky]

Are you saying truth and honesty is not important, that lack of even understanding our inability to know truth is not serious ?

Not trying to paint you in the corner, but actually surprised you side with a poster who simply makes accusation, and never offers anything for discussion. Attacking the poster does not get to the point, does it ?

I fully realize that the viewpoint of both of you is skewed, and surely mine is as well. I think itimportant, no vital, that no matter all feelings should be based on truth, not lies....on understanding facts, not simple accusations.

I don't think that you would paint me in a corner nor would I do it to you. The point is I am inclined to use my powers of intuition based on past practice and statements and observation and with no link, a newspaper report or other Concrete proof side with Mrs. Gracie in the little give and take you had with her. Maybe next time it would be that I side with you. See I'm considerably younger than many people who live in The Villages and I cherish my friendships with the people who are Senior to me, the ones I've met and the ones I mix it up with on here. There are many ways of a person coming to a conclusion as far as the truth goes. I made mine the way I saw fit. I have nothing at all against you Mr. Bucco and I call you that out of respect nothing more, no wisecracking like I normally do. You have a lot to offer and I am a student, so teach. I'm listening.

Truth to me is easily identifiable when it is an eyeball to eyeball conversation. In type or television news I have my favorite channel to get the news and then I watch the enemy channel to see their point of view. Don't tell anybody but occasionally I think the enemy is correct and my primary channel has blown it. I'm into reality, not head games and no psychoanalyzing others, it's not my yob man.

I love the truth but putting people on cross-examination throughout life isn't really living to me which is why the first thing I thought of was Why So Serious?

[Taltarzac725]

Overview - Citing sources - LibGuides at MIT Libraries (https://libguides.mit.edu/citing)

Would whatever sources you get for your ideas get past your favorite high school teacher? College professor? Newspaper editor? Nun?

[Bucco]

I don't think that you would paint me in a corner nor would I do it to you. The point is I am inclined to use my powers of intuition based on past practice and statements and observation and with no link, a newspaper report or other Concrete proof side with Mrs. Gracie in the little give and take you had with her. Maybe next time it would be that I side with you. See I'm considerably younger than many people who live in The Villages and I cherish my friendships with the people who are Senior to me, the ones I've met and the ones I mix it up with on here. There are many ways of a person coming to a conclusion as far as the truth goes. I made mine the way I saw fit. I have nothing at all against you Mr. Bucco and I call you that out of respect nothing more, no wisecracking like I normally do. You have a lot to offer and I am a student, so teach. I'm listening.

Truth to me is easily identifiable when it is an eyeball to eyeball conversation. In type or television news I have my favorite channel to get the news and then I watch the enemy channel to see their point of view. Don't tell anybody but occasionally I think the enemy is correct and my primary channel has blown it. I'm into reality, not head games and no psychoanalyzing others, it's not my yob man.

I love the truth but putting people on cross-examination throughout life isn't really living to me which is why the first thing I thought of was Why So Serious?

I will respond to just two things in your post. Not shying away, but two things you say cause my reply. If you feel I am shunning what you say, let me know.

First your comment on watching the "enemy channel" is telling. Not sure how a channel can be described as enemy, and not knowing your favorite channel, hard to comment. First of all, if you are getting your news on a "channel", I feel you are short changing yourself, assuming you speak of cable.. most of cable "news" is simply opinion and all skewed. To really get news and understand it, you must read.

Now you say you are younger, so that reading might get old for you ������, and that bothers me. Young people are basically lazy and dependent on social media or whatever is easier, not necessarily accurate.

Which brings me to "why so serious" ....my strong opinion is that the OP understands..with "fake news" (whatever defines that TODAY) we have either lost the definition of truth and don't care, or we believe, not in truth and facts but something else.

Either way, it is serious...very serious. To be led by lies is getting in line for serious consequences. You cannot name a statesman or leader up until recently, that did not believe that the American free press is one of major reasons for our greatness. Now, we attack the press for reporting instead of the issue being reported....

It is deceptive and dishonest to preach how evil the free press is because they report accusations reply, but it is negative....ACCURETLY, BUT NEGATIVE. If we turn our hearts from what is true, and follow not the issues, but a person or a specific ideology. Well, I am turning 80 in June.....I lived and worked with and for great men, great journalists, and learned that the road we are in at present....to demean our press, our hero's, anyone that might feel differently or be of a different pursuation, we are courting weakness and destruction.

I hope you learn how the present situation, on both sides, is weakening our great country. Well, hope you don't learn, but realize it. Read history and what we were founded on...as you said the "enemy channel" sums it up...you want to hear what you want to hear, True or not, and that's a problem. The truths, as said in our constitution snout certain, is self evident and no one man or group can change that, but the will and can change the direction of your country well before you get as old as I.

No more rambling, but attack the issues, not the messengers as we do today, and search for truth, instead of accepting lies, as easy as that may be.

Be happy, being honest should not change that. Be patriotic, demanding truth instead of lies should serve that well. Don't demean those who disagree, respect and talk with respect to them.

So, search for truth and honesty does not lessen joy, fact is it should give you more freedom. This chaos today, this is not good

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Overview - Citing sources - LibGuides at MIT Libraries (https://libguides.mit.edu/citing)

Would whatever sources you get for your ideas get past your favorite high school teacher? College professor? Newspaper editor? Nun?

The World Wide Web didn't exist when I was in High School. Wikipedia's founder was only 10 years old when I was in High School. The co-founder I believe was only 12 or 13.

Cable TV had I believe - 30 channels total, HBO hadn't been invented yet and MTV still had a few years to go before its first music video (The Buggles: Video Killed the Radio Star).

We had old 1940's and 1950's newsreels, textbooks, radio, and network TV. We had Childcraft and World Book encyclopedia sets. That was the bulk of our knowledge base.

We had such limited access to information, compared with only 10 years later, that the question has no relevance at all.

[Taltarzac725]

I know a lot of great grandmothers, grand fathers, aunts, uncles, etc. in the Villages who help their high school or younger students with their home work at times.

So. This still applies especially if you have been in a library in the past few decades.

I was walking around with a friend a few years ago and we were discussing her daughter's Bibliography for her big writing assignment.

The World Wide Web didn't exist when I was in High School. Wikipedia's founder was only 10 years old when I was in High School. The co-founder I believe was only 12 or 13.

Cable TV had I believe - 30 channels total, HBO hadn't been invented yet and MTV still had a few years to go before its first music video (The Buggles: Video Killed the Radio Star).

We had old 1940's and 1950's newsreels, textbooks, radio, and network TV. We had Childcraft and World Book encyclopedia sets. That was the bulk of our knowledge base.

We had such limited access to information, compared with only 10 years later, that the question has no relevance at all.

[fw102807]

I fully realize that the viewpoint of both of you is skewed, and surely mine is as well. I think itimportant, no vital, that no matter all feelings should be based on truth, not lies....on understanding facts, not simple accusations.

The problem is that something you may view as an absolute truth may not be to others and that is not an issue of morality as you like to paint but just a matter of interpretation. I believe that in many instances (like the Covington teens) there are more sides to the story than what is presented. People base their decisions not on a lack of morality but on a different way of processing data or where they were raised or what their current life situation is or a multitude of other reasons not necessarily because they are amoral. I just find your posts too judgmental. Yes there is evil in the world but there are many good people also who just want to get along.

[graciegirl]

You most certainly did, and several times. Here is just one example you posted. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1617654-post9.html

Here is the entire thread. Some posts were deleted and of course the thread closed. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/proud-parents-282771/#post1617654

I'm sorry to post and run but I've got to go.. :ho:

I was the one who posted the video from Cincinnati.com that cleared it up. My post was removed and I was absolutely furious. I ordered myself my first political shirt ever. It says "I stand with Covington Catholic". I haven't had a reason to wear it but it makes me feel good to see it in my closet.

[thetruth]

When watching "so called" professional journalists interview someone, I often wonder why they allow an interviewee to get away with lies or untruths just to keep the interview going so they can cover all of the scheduled topics. Sometimes, I wish they would stop the interview and force the interviewee to acknowledge the truth or terminate the interview. Maybe that would promote more truthfulness.

Obviously it is not just the subject who lies. We cannot get into politics on this website. But, a major issue today and in the past is the agenda of the news source.

Perhaps, a safe historical FACT was the Spanish American War.
The war was actually caused by the press. The SCREAM was remember the Maine. The paper reported that the battle ship Maine was torpedoed and we went to war. The TRUTH was that the ship blew itself up due to improper fire control and ammunition storage.

[anothersteve]

Ahh....just for fun, yes....fun.
The Liar Paradox
Star Trek - Liar Paradox - YouTube (https://youtu.be/EzVxsYzXI_Y)

Steve

[Bucco]

The problem is that something you may view as an absolute truth may not be to others and that is not an issue of morality as you like to paint but just a matter of interpretation. I believe that in many instances (like the Covington teens) there are more sides to the story than what is presented. People base their decisions not on a lack of morality but on a different way of processing data or where they were raised or what their current life situation is or a multitude of other reasons not necessarily because they are amoral. I just find your posts too judgmental. Yes there is evil in the world but there are many good people also who just want to get along.

I can understand your view point....

1. Covington source was a homemade video posted on social media, NOT NEWS. News folks cleared it up. Just to be straight on that. Was not a journalistic venture....but social media which is where we can source much.

2. Without making this to go into a area of P which is out, let me just say......what we are being told in many cases by both sides of the equation is flat out not true. IF you follow whatever way, you are being misled. It affects a lot of us. I realize you think I am speaking of only one way but that is not true at all, although simply because of the pulpit available, most is. IF YOU VOTE ON ISSUES, which I do, and not personalities, then you are misled if you follow either side without searching for facts. From the pulpit is mostly lies from the other is mostly wishy washy platitudes and you think about it for even a second, you know that to be true.

You can attack me all you want......at lease I am alive to fight back....you can go into other threads and talk about me, but do me a favor.......discuss the issue......what example is there that you have that did not emanate from a social media homemade video that hows the media is lying which is the subject of this thread.

I was also upset at the Covington thing but also upset at attacks on our country and its institutions. If you wish to dwell on something that started with a home video and was only on the media because of internet trolls, that is your right. There are nasty, idiotic and hate filled videos on the internet right now which are disgusting. There are hate statements made each day, which represent our country as they travel around the world.

Anyway, if this is now going to be about the Covington story and that used to proclaim the media as biased and bad.........well, I find that just plain stupid. That is a desperate attempt to change the subject.

YES, we all process date differently....FOR SURE, but my wish is that we process the same date and then discuss how we arrived at our position. We do not do that EVER it seems, and do not want to gt into details because I think this thread is important if we stay on subject.

Those who are claiming the media lies or distorts, I ask you for examples and never get them. If Covington is your answer which was a social media event, well we will never agree. i, PERSONALLY, need truth on budgets, foreign policy and such things.

[Abby10]

One more thing please on social media.

The US government had public hearings on the impact of Facebook postings and the interference by foreign government in such things. They concluded totally, and on both sides, that this foreign government had an intent to divide our country using these mediums, yet we still go to these sites to have our minds raped.

Covington is a case in point. The only report was on such media and the divide took place. Read...read....that is the point of this thread.

A story begun by homevideo on social media isnot bad reporting. Reporting accuretly that such a video was out there and ending such story is good journalism, and that pretty much is what happened.

Stay off those crap websites...their goal is not to tell the truth

I seem to remember that even though the video may have first popped up on social media, it was not the only bad reporting that took place over the situation. In fact, one news source that you state as NOTHING but truthful at all times participated in unverified and erroneous reporting regarding this incident along with other news sources as well. Not sure how you missed that part of the story. The ending of the story, as you put it, occurred much later after these news sources practically destroyed the reputation of what appears to be a very decent young man.

[Bucco]

Obviously it is not just the subject who lies. We cannot get into politics on this website. But, a major issue today and in the past is the agenda of the news source.

Perhaps, a safe historical FACT was the Spanish American War.
The war was actually caused by the press. The SCREAM was remember the Maine. The paper reported that the battle ship Maine was torpedoed and we went to war. The TRUTH was that the ship blew itself up due to improper fire control and ammunition storage.

Lots of that went on in history and before we had what we have today for data. Lost a friend on the Thresher and still has mysterious reasons...that happens for sure.

I am simply amazed how folks come on here and stretch their assets to find some fault with our free press. Never saw anything like it but I assume you folks have a reason for that (other than social media bursts on facebook)

[anothersteve]

Those who are claiming the media lies or distorts, I ask you for examples and never get them. If Covington is your answer which was a social media event, well we will never agree. i, PERSONALLY, need truth on budgets, foreign policy and such things.

Just a few, and the tip of the iceberg I think.
The mainstream media’s lies, and the liars behind them - The Horn News (https://thehornnews.com/the-5-biggest-media-liars-2/)

That's all I'm going to get involved in in this "discussion". I will get banned. I am showing damn good restraint with this.
Steve

[Abby10]

I can understand your view point....

1. Covington source was a homemade video posted on social media, NOT NEWS. News folks cleared it up. Just to be straight on that. Was not a journalistic venture....but social media which is where we can source much.

2. Without making this to go into a area of P which is out, let me just say......what we are being told in many cases by both sides of the equation is flat out not true. IF you follow whatever way, you are being misled. It affects a lot of us. I realize you think I am speaking of only one way but that is not true at all, although simply because of the pulpit available, most is. IF YOU VOTE ON ISSUES, which I do, and not personalities, then you are misled if you follow either side without searching for facts. From the pulpit is mostly lies from the other is mostly wishy washy platitudes and you think about it for even a second, you know that to be true.

You can attack me all you want......at lease I am alive to fight back....you can go into other threads and talk about me, but do me a favor.......discuss the issue......what example is there that you have that did not emanate from a social media homemade video that hows the media is lying which is the subject of this thread.

I was also upset at the Covington thing but also upset at attacks on our country and its institutions. If you wish to dwell on something that started with a home video and was only on the media because of internet trolls, that is your right. There are nasty, idiotic and hate filled videos on the internet right now which are disgusting. There are hate statements made each day, which represent our country as they travel around the world.

Anyway, if this is now going to be about the Covington story and that used to proclaim the media as biased and bad.........well, I find that just plain stupid. That is a desperate attempt to change the subject.

YES, we all process date differently....FOR SURE, but my wish is that we process the same date and then discuss how we arrived at our position. We do not do that EVER it seems, and do not want to gt into details because I think this thread is important if we stay on subject.

Those who are claiming the media lies or distorts, I ask you for examples and never get them. If Covington is your answer which was a social media event, well we will never agree. i, PERSONALLY, need truth on budgets, foreign policy and such things.

You must have missed a lot going on with the Covington situation. Your posts totally confound me that you didn't see or read the erroneous reporting that occurred over this situation by the media. It is readily available from many sources by just googling it. You are right in the sense that they "cleared it up" but not after printing and airing one-sided, inaccurate information for quite some time. If that's what you call good, honest reporting then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. JMHO but everything out there media-wise is suspect as to whether or not it is truthful. To claim that certain sources are never wrong, never "lie", or are never biased just seems foolish to me.

[Bucco]

Just a few, and the tip of the iceberg I think.
The mainstream media’s lies, and the liars behind them - The Horn News (https://thehornnews.com/the-5-biggest-media-liars-2/)

That's all I'm going to get involved in in this "discussion". I will get banned. I am showing damn good restraint with this.
Steve

Access Denied (https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2016-11-14/avoid-these-fake-news-sites-at-all-costs)

The Horn News - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-horn-news/)

All have comments on THE HORN NEWS, and who still are pandering the Clinton sex ring at the Pizza Parlor.

This is news to some and at my age, I just should give up...we are doomed believing such crap from such crap sources

[anothersteve]

Access Denied (https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2016-11-14/avoid-these-fake-news-sites-at-all-costs)

The Horn News - Media Bias/Fact Check (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-horn-news/)

All have comments on THE HORN NEWS, and who still are pandering the Clinton sex ring at the Pizza Parlor.

This is news to some and at my age, I just should give up...we are doomed believing such crap from such crap sources

You're funny!
Steve

[fw102807]

JMHO but everything out there media-wise is suspect as to whether or not it is truthful. To claim that certain sources are never wrong, never "lie", or are never biased just seems foolish to me.

Totally agree. My point entirely.

[Bucco]

You must have missed a lot going on with the Covington situation. Your posts totally confound me that you didn't see or read the erroneous reporting that occurred over this situation by the media. It is readily available from many sources by just googling it. You are right in the sense that they "cleared it up" but not after printing and airing one-sided, inaccurate information for quite some time. If that's what you call good, honest reporting then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. JMHO but everything out there media-wise is suspect as to whether or not it is truthful. To claim that certain sources are never wrong, never "lie", or are never biased just seems foolish to me.

Still with the social media.

I have been asking directly for an example of media lying...I mean real media..for quite some time and a social media farce that was certainly mishandled by all is it. That is your basi ?

You don't understand you say..,I do not understand....

1. The desire to attack our own media with such a mean spirited attack.

2. The desire to embrace the same media source that you personally called vicious names, but embrace it because it agreed with you.

3. The Need to attack when questioned on why there are attacks being made and accusations being made. You would think you might have actual facts to back up personal and vicious attacks.

4. The ignoring of American citizens of criminal activity at our highest levels, and factually enabling them and applauding them. (By the way, such activity reported and called fake all the way to prison)

5. The attack on media because they want to talk to the issue, and you want to attack them for questions you.

You is generic in every case.

[Bucco]

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[Boomer]

- - -

[Polar Bear]

For me, the problem with media today...not social media, but alleged journalistic media,..is not so much that they lie, but that they relate stories with such extreme bias. They try to pass off editorial reporting as true journalism, which IMO it absolutely is not.

[Big O]

NEVER give credence to any news that starts out( "We have learned from reliable sources.....")

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Even history books get it wrong. To wit: Columbus did NOT discover America. We celebrate Columbus Day every year in the United States, though he never set foot on this continent. His first journey with the Nina/Pinta/Santamaria in 1492 took him to the Bahamas, which was already inhabited. The second one was a return trip. The third was to Trinidad, which again - was already inhabited. His last trip was to Panama.

And yet, we were taught in grade school that we celebrate Columbus Day, because Columbus discovered America. 1) he never set foot in NORTH America, which is the only America implied by the statement, when you're teaching kids in North America about Columbus discovering America. 2) he didn't "discover" anything; these places had already been inhabited by other people.

That's just one fact, yanked out of a myriad of facts we learned in history books in grade school.

[jebartle]

You must have missed a lot going on with the Covington situation. Your posts totally confound me that you didn't see or read the erroneous reporting that occurred over this situation by the media. It is readily available from many sources by just googling it. You are right in the sense that they "cleared it up" but not after printing and airing one-sided, inaccurate information for quite some time. If that's what you call good, honest reporting then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. JMHO but everything out there media-wise is suspect as to whether or not it is truthful. To claim that certain sources are never wrong, never "lie", or are never biased just seems foolish to me.

Which proves my point, use the brain that the good Lord gave us and investigate. BUT that doesn't mean that the press "is the enemy". Thank goodness that we have the press. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

[Abby10]

Which proves my point, use the brain that the good Lord gave us and investigate. BUT that doesn't mean that the press "is the enemy". Thank goodness that we have the press. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Exactly. I never said the press was the enemy and I certainly wouldn't want to see it go by the wayside by any means - not my point at all. I would feel the same way whether it was a neighbor, friend, or anyone else feeding me information. Just because they say so doesn't mean I might not be a little skeptical - in other words, trust but verify.

Bottom line, truth can not always be found by one means only such as by reviewing one set of facts or even by doing extensive research at times. Common sense, intuition, knowing the past history of the source, and/or actually being there or knowing someone directly involved must factor in. You know the old saying, there's 3 sides to every story. If you're not taking into consideration all 3 sides most likely you will not have all the facts. And since you brought Him up, only the Lord knows the whole truth and on this earth it's quite likely we never will regarding every situation. We weren't meant to.......:icon_wink:

Good topic, jebartle, but unfortunately the inability for some to keep politics out of almost any conversation will probably send it into the TOTV toilet sooner rather than later.

[Abby10]

NEVER give credence to any news that starts out( "We have learned from reliable sources.....")

Bingo! When I hear that statement it immediately raises a red flag for me to just not listen at all. Withholding the source of the information automatically discounts my ability to evaluate any legitimacy to the claim.

And your tagline certainly seems to fit right into this topic and should remind all of us of the importance of keeping an open mind -

"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know everything or nothing about it."

Henry Kissinger

[jebartle]

For me, the problem with media today...not social media, but alleged journalistic media,..is not so much that they lie, but that they relate stories with such extreme bias. They try to pass off editorial reporting as true journalism, which IMO it absolutely is not.

We must also search our souls and discover where the bias really exists, it might, just might originate with ourselves. Can't say it enough, investigate and fact check, too many lies given by those in authority.
not necessarily the press, imho.

[ColdNoMore]

Which proves my point, use the brain that the good Lord gave us and investigate. BUT that doesn't mean that the press "is the enemy". Thank goodness that we have the press. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

ABSOLUTELY! :boom:


In the book; 'Despotism for Dummies,' the first chapter implores the importance of trying to discredit any press... that is less than fawning toward the wannabe Despot. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

We must also search our souls and discover where the bias really exists, it might, just might originate with ourselves. Can't say it enough, investigate and fact check, too many lies given by those in authority.

not necessarily the press, imho.
Nailed it again! :thumbup:

It has become all the rage of late, to not even bothering doing a modicum of research if a piece comports with a persons 'confirmation bias'...and doing even less research if it refutes what you believe.

Oftentimes facts ARE facts (and not just an opinion/bias by the writer), but it is the obfuscation and/or attempts at spinning what those FACTS mean...whereby the problems ensue.

One can't but shake their heads when actual facts (such as absolutely known timelines/procedures), are misstated...and people actually start believing these misstatements/outright lies. :oops:

Simply amazing. :ohdear:

[graciegirl]

About half of us in this country think the main stream media are biased.

Many of us wish that we would hear and read just the "hard news" and not an interpretation or an opinion of what happened.

The way journalism is taught in college has had a filter down effect. Many people will turn off the evening news because of obvious bias from all three news networks. (NBC, ABC and CBS) I was switching to David Muir away from NBC because for awhile the line up and the presentation was fairer (to me) but then a couple of months ago that changed.

It is very hard to find and absorb what is really going on because we are being exposed to a biased menu which is just fine for about half of this country.

That is my opinion. I am glad I live here in The Villages. I like how the majority of people think. They are old and wise.

Fewer Americans rely on TV news; what type they watch varies by who they are (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/05/fewer-americans-rely-on-tv-news-what-type-they-watch-varies-by-who-they-are/)

[Abby10]

In viewing the last several posts, it's a darn shame the direction this discussion is heading. It doesn't have to be. I'm sure many have kept away from this thread for that very reason. I think the OP could have led by better example by steering away from politics, not right into it. But now it seems that was the agenda after all. :ohdear:

Over and out here.............I've got better things to do, like NOTHING. :icon_wink:

[jebartle]

In viewing the last several posts, it's a darn shame the direction this discussion is heading. It doesn't have to be. I'm sure many have kept away from this thread for that very reason. I think the OP could have led by better example by steering away from politics, not right into it. But now it seems that was the agenda after all. :ohdear:

Over and out here.............I've got better things to do, like NOTHING. :icon_wink:

Maybe, just maybe, we can assume (and yes, I know how to spell it) we are getting insight into your bias????

[Fredster]

In viewing the last several posts, it's a darn shame the direction this discussion is heading. It doesn't have to be. I'm sure many have kept away from this thread for that very reason. I think the OP could have led by better example by steering away from politics, not right into it. But now it seems that was the agenda after all. :ohdear:

Over and out here.............I've got better things to do, like NOTHING. :icon_wink:

:bigbow:I totally agree!
Plus way too much pontification!

[graciegirl]

Maybe, just maybe, we can assume (and yes, I know how to spell it) we are getting insight into your bias????

Now. Now. Now. That goes both ways.

I know Abby. She is an intelligent, very well educated medical professional with a kind and very fair way of looking at things. Her name isn't Abby. She is just about ready to retire and hopefully join us full time here in The Villages.

[ColdNoMore]

Maybe, just maybe, we can assume (and yes, I know how to spell it) we are getting insight into your bias????

:agree:


I would also add that claiming something, in hopes of getting closed a thread that has become uncomfortable for some...is something we've seen many times previously.


TRUTH/FACTS...often being the impetus for that.

[Moderator]

It appears some are ignoring the OP's plea to keep politics out of this thread. More posts have been deleted this morning. We are sensitive that some may try to force closure of a thread they don't agree with, but further political posts may result in closing the thread.

Moderator

[Bucco]

Now. Now. Now. That goes both ways.

I know Abby. She is an intelligent, very well educated medical professional with a kind and very fair way of looking at things. Her name isn't Abby. She is just about ready to retire and hopefully join us full time here in The Villages.

Which means what to the thread subject.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO ACCUSE AN INDIVIDUAL OR A GROUP LIKE THE MEDIA OF ANYTHING, IT SEEMS THAT SOME SORT OF BACKUP SHOULD BE REQUIRED.

Unless you are saying that certain posters speak and we all should listen.

It seems very easy to simply attack sans any facts.

[Bucco]

This thread was a discussion of honesty and lying.

Suddenly, it veered away to discussion of a YOUTUBE video shot not by media but a private individual....which then as was intended veered us to an area not to be discussed.

Lets not forget that the OP was dismayed by the lack of honesty by ANYONE, and lying by ANYONE especially what you see reported

Somehow the LIARS became entangled with those reporting the lying and that is not what this thread is about, at least from my perspective.

When media reports a LIE and documents it, how is that the fault o the media.....are they not to report that and what reason is there not to report it ?

[Abby10]

Maybe, just maybe, we can assume (and yes, I know how to spell it) we are getting insight into your bias????

:agree:


I would also add that claiming something, in hopes of getting closed a thread that has become uncomfortable for some...is something we've seen many times previously.


TRUTH/FACTS...often being the impetus for that.

You must have missed the point where I said the thread topic was a good one. You both seem to assume too much. I've never thought much of assumptions. Probably because there's 50-50 chance you're going to be wrong and I'm not much of a risk taker. Besides, talk about a good way to cause strife and division. I mean you want truth, right? So why make assumptions? Very confusing to me.

A thread will not be closed because of anything I post. Believe me, I'm not that important around here. Personally I would much rather see it get back on track so it doesn't......

[Abby10]

This thread was a discussion of honesty and lying.

Suddenly, it veered away to discussion of a YOUTUBE video shot not by media but a private individual....which then as was intended veered us to an area not to be discussed.

Lets not forget that the OP was dismayed by the lack of honesty by ANYONE, and lying by ANYONE especially what you see reported

Somehow the LIARS became entangled with those reporting the lying and that is not what this thread is about, at least from my perspective.

When media reports a LIE and documents it, how is that the fault o the media.....are they not to report that and what reason is there not to report it ?

Regarding that youtube/Facebook video, why do you keep ignoring the fact that much of the media picked up on that story and ran with it without securing the facts? It was a good example of the topic of this thread. They did not "investigate the truth" first before reporting it in an erroneous way. Keeping politics out of it, it was simply a story of the actions of 3 different groups of people that they got wrong because they (the media) apparently believed the Facebook posting instead of checking the story out for themselves before reporting. Talk about being irresponsible!

[ColdNoMore]

So why make assumptions?


And another FACT...is totally ignored. :oops:


Maybe, just maybe...

[Madelaine Amee]

I am glad I live here in The Villages. I like how the majority of people think. They are old and wise.



It might be worth your while to work one of the election days and see for yourself how old and WISE some of the people living here really are.

The last election brought out people who had to be led to the booth to fill in their forms. We had one delightful elderly man who was wandering around and actually had no idea where he was, but he got to vote. Being OLD does not make you WISE!

[Bucco]

Regarding that youtube/Facebook video, why do you keep ignoring the fact that much of the media picked up on that story and ran with it without securing the facts? It was a good example of the topic of this thread. They did not "investigate the truth" first before reporting it in an erroneous way. Keeping politics out of it, it was simply a story of the actions of 3 different groups of people that they got wrong because they (the media) apparently believed the Facebook posting instead of checking the story out for themselves before reporting. Talk about being irresponsible!

NEVER IGNORED THAT, but called to your attention that was not the subject of the thread and expressed my chagrin that would be used as a reason to doubt the media.

I supplied a link where the NYTIMES sorted it out and criticized those who were in error.

AGAIN, if we can since you and others have attacked the media for years now.....if we can except the Covington story, allow us the facts to support your claim of media lying, etc. Of course if that event is what you use to substantiate the "enemy of the people" or any other such unsubstantiated claim, why was that claim anti media made a year or so PRIOR to the event ?

Thanks

[photo1902]

It might be worth your while to work one of the election days and see for yourself how old and WISE some of the people living here really are.

The last election brought out people who had to be led to the booth to fill in their forms. We had one delightful elderly man who was wandering around and actually had no idea where he was, but he got to vote. Being OLD does not make you WISE!

I think this was the same person in front of me at the Publix deli line.

[Abby10]

And another FACT...is totally ignored. :oops:

And why bother to "maybe" assume? :1rotfl::1rotfl:

I will say, you are very good at doing exactly what the media does. Thanks for the good laugh - I needed that. :ho:

[ColdNoMore]

It might be worth your while to work one of the election days and see for yourself how old and WISE some of the people living here really are.

The last election brought out people who had to be led to the booth to fill in their forms. We had one delightful elderly man who was wandering around and actually had no idea where he was, but he got to vote.

Being OLD does not make you WISE!

Absolutely! :bigbow:


:mademyday:

[Bucco]

It might be worth your while to work one of the election days and see for yourself how old and WISE some of the people living here really are.

The last election brought out people who had to be led to the booth to fill in their forms. We had one delightful elderly man who was wandering around and actually had no idea where he was, but he got to vote. Being OLD does not make you WISE!

I am old as hell and that poster does not think me wise at all :duck:

[Madelaine Amee]

I think this was the same person in front of me at the Publix deli line.

Great come back ..... thank you for putting some humor into this thread. When will we arrive at the conclusion that one is never, ever, going to change a closed mind. Mine too .... hate to admit it, but my mind is made up and no one is going to sway me!!! :) But, in my defence, I do fact check which is really easy to do if you are old and wise!

[Bucco]

Great come back ..... thank you for putting some humor into this thread. When will we arrive at the conclusion that one is never, ever, going to change a closed mind. Mine too .... hate to admit it, but my mind is made up and no one is going to sway me!!! :) But, in my defence, I do fact check which is really easy to do if you are old and wise!

Uplifting post, especially the part about mind made up BUT still fact check

On here, I am called a lot of things but I also fact check even if the original story fits my mind. Wandering around with lies in your head will not serve you well. Those who know me that I will not argue until I know, and if not one of those clear issues, then I will still come to the DISCUSSION armed with facts. NOBODY dictates what I should think.

Great post. My concern, despite what many on here have accused me is not with any agenda, but my country and nothing else.

[Madelaine Amee]

Uplifting post, especially the part about mind made up BUT still fact check

On here, I am called a lot of things but I also fact check even if the original story fits my mind. Wandering around with lies in your head will not serve you well. Those who know me that I will not argue until I know, and if not one of those clear issues, then I will still come to the DISCUSSION armed with facts. NOBODY dictates what I should think.

Great post. My concern, despite what many on here have accused me is not with any agenda, but my country and nothing else.

I have to believe that good will triumph over evil or there really is no point in living. Great example is Nazi Germany, took years but finally there was an end to the madness.

[Bucco]

I have to believe that good will triumph over evil or there really is no point in living. Great example is Nazi Germany, took years but finally there was an end to the madness.

We agree on this.

Scary what is developing

[Madelaine Amee]

We agree on this.

Scary what is developing

This too shall pass!

[graciegirl]

This is a Gallup poll from September 2014 that said that four out of ten Americans didn't trust the Media.
Trust in Mass Media Returns to All-Time Low (https://news.gallup.com/poll/176042/trust-mass-media-returns-time-low.aspx)

And here is one from 2016;

Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low (https://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx)

Here is a Pew Poll on the same subject; Trust in news media | Pew Research Center (https://www.journalism.org/2018/06/18/distinguishing-between-factual-and-opinion-statements-in-the-news/pj_2018-06-18_fact-opinion_0-11/)

[Bucco]

This is a Gallup poll from September 2014 that said that four out of ten Americans didn't trust the Media.
Trust in Mass Media Returns to All-Time Low (https://news.gallup.com/poll/176042/trust-mass-media-returns-time-low.aspx)

And here is one from 2016;

Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low (https://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx)

Here is a Pew Poll on the same subject; Trust in news media | Pew Research Center (https://www.journalism.org/2018/06/18/distinguishing-between-factual-and-opinion-statements-in-the-news/pj_2018-06-18_fact-opinion_0-11/)

I understand your post. I understand your links...I also read the detail about election years, etc.

What I am searching for is you and other posters reasons for saying the media lies. What is YOUR opinion based on ?

I get the polls, and read the details. Nobody ever said. ...gee, whatever they say I believe. ALL are saying how they verify and validate and you keeping telling us polls, etc.

What lie have you read...what coverage was a lie, and please do not confuse coverage of a liar with lying in the coverage.

I understand polls....but you guys keep accusing but never supply the why or the detail.

Normally what is called "fake news" is negative to the accuser, but ACCURETLY REPORTED

[Bucco]

This too shall pass!

Sure it will, but with what lingering long term damage. As an old guy, I want to once again in my life be proud

[Nucky]

Sure it will, but with what lingering long term damage. As an old guy, I want to once again in my life be proud

Why wouldn't you be proud now? I'm proud! Is there something I can do to help you, Bucco, to feel proud, I'll help if I can. If its to stop posting, I'll do that for you. No Problem.

[Bucco]

Why wouldn't you be proud now? I'm proud! Is there something I can do to help you, Bucco, to feel proud, I'll help if I can. If its to stop posting, I'll do that for you. No Problem.

Smart cracks aside...tell us what you are proud of ?

We all know if I respond, thread goes away...not saying it's planned, but allowing you to tell us what you are proud of will tell us more.

[Nucky]

Smart cracks aside...tell us what you are proud of ?

We all know if I respond, thread goes away...not saying it's planned, but allowing you to tell us what you are proud of will tell us more.

Please don't try to turn this around. I am being genuine with you and you choose to turn it around instead of answering.

I take that as my TRUTH on this matter and bailout. I wish you well, I was wishing you well before also.

I never said I had a problem with being proud, you did. My proud list is really great but sorta private. Take Care Bucco. Till we meet again on another thread.

[Nucky]

I thought I was done but one last thing. I really don't have a clue what you are worked up about but I hope you find peace with whatever it is. Now I'm outta here!

[Boomer]

I wish we could have actual conversations with each other and dig into answers as to why we have turned into a country of such division.

We have got to start asking not just What? But Why?

What is the agenda? What is between the lines? What do they want us to believe? Why do we believe what we believe? What's in it for us? What's in it for them? What does who I choose to believe say about who I am?

OY!

I never thought I would say this, but I sort of wish we did have a political forum here. But it would turn so ugly that, just like always before, I would never join and probably finally would run away. It would not be a good business decision anyway.

[Abby10]

I thought I was done but one last thing. I really don't have a clue what you are worked up about but I hope you find peace with whatever it is. Now I'm outta here!

Ditto that. :thumbup: Life is too short.......

[Bucco]

I thought I was done but one last thing. I really don't have a clue what you are worked up about but I hope you find peace with whatever it is. Now I'm outta here!

Your post to me.....

"Why wouldn't you be proud now? I'm proud! Is there something I can do to help you, Bucco, to feel proud, I'll help if I can. If its to stop posting, I'll do that for you. No Problem."

Did I misunderstand something...is that what you are saying.

"If its to stop posting, I"lll do that for you. No problem"

"If there is something I can do for you"

Did I misunderstand all this ?

[Bucco]

My apologies. I get sucked in every time.

Posters who ignore the subject and try to turn it personal about a poster.

My bad for allowing it to upset me...only a few do that routinely, and cannot seem to post without something personal while avoiding the subject.

Sorry again, my bad

[jebartle]

Uplifting post, especially the part about mind made up BUT still fact check

On here, I am called a lot of things but I also fact check even if the original story fits my mind. Wandering around with lies in your head will not serve you well. Those who know me that I will not argue until I know, and if not one of those clear issues, then I will still come to the DISCUSSION armed with facts. NOBODY dictates what I should think.

Great post. My concern, despite what many on here have accused me is not with any agenda, but my country and nothing else.

Oh Bucco, I agree completely, no matter my persuasion, I ALWAYS FACT CHECK many sources, and I've found, that I'm wrong a time or two, giggle!

[jebartle]

You must have missed the point where I said the thread topic was a good one. You both seem to assume too much. I've never thought much of assumptions. Probably because there's 50-50 chance you're going to be wrong and I'm not much of a risk taker. Besides, talk about a good way to cause strife and division. I mean you want truth, right? So why make assumptions? Very confusing to me.

A thread will not be closed because of anything I post. Believe me, I'm not that important around here. Personally I would much rather see it get back on track so it doesn't......

Yea, Abby is back!

[ColdNoMore]

Yea, Abby is back!

Rumors and assumptions to the contrary aside...that's nothing but the truth. :D

[Nucky]

My apologies. I get sucked in every time.

Posters who ignore the subject and try to turn it personal about a poster.

My bad for allowing it to upset me...only a few do that routinely, and cannot seem to post without something personal while avoiding the subject.

Sorry again, my bad

I really like you, Bucco. I would stop posting if it made you feel better. I'm not gonna bust your chops. No way. That's part of what's wrong with the world, lack of respect, especially to our elders. No apology needed. You are Golden in my eyes. :pray:

[graciegirl]

It is so confusing. Some posters going on the attack and then playing the martyr.

When a fact is confirmed, such as yes the media is not trusted by a large number of Americans than the subject is changed by some.

About Half of us believe one way and the other half the other with a lot of really smart people not completely in line with the whole philosophy of either side.

That is having an open mind. Figuring out just what the person means, not what the person says.
We need to listen carefully because what some call lies are their perception of how some people talk and communicate. We sometimes need to decipher rough, plain talk and the even worse carefully worded and planned articulate communication. Behind either or both can be a good person or a bad person who is trying to deceive. If we want to HATE, we will find our own reasons.

[Bucco]

It is so confusing. Some posters going on the attack and then playing the martyr.

When a fact is confirmed, such as yes the media is not trusted by a large number of Americans than the subject is changed by some.

About Half of us believe one way and the other half the other with a lot of really smart people not completely in line with the whole philosophy of either side.

That is having an open mind. Figuring out just what the person means, not what the person says.
We need to listen carefully because what some call lies are their perception of how some people talk and communicate. We sometimes need to decipher rough, plain talk and the even worse carefully worded and planned articulate communication. Behind either or both can be a good person or a bad person who is trying to deceive. If we want to HATE, we will find our own reasons.

The thread is about TRUTH and HONESTY......you folks want to blame the media for reporting lying........thats really something.

Liars lie....if the media reports that...they are not the liars......so much has gone under the bridge with bold faced lying, that we have simply lost the ability to recognize truth or even care.

if that fact and it IS a fact does not give you serious pause, then you better quickly examine yourself. Lying does not have a political label...it is lying and when the lies are about our country......hey, we have the absolute right to know the truth about our economics....etc.......not plaititudes.

Again I ask you to supply one....just one example of a news media tellng an outright lie on the coverage of news.....legit sources please. i keep asking and never get any. so what the hey are you talking about ?

[Polar Bear]

...Again I ask you to supply one....just one example of a news media tellng an outright lie on the coverage of news...i keep asking and never get any...
One reason could be that many feel like I do...that the media may state some facts, but then they so frequently and blatantly twist them with what should be clearly identified as editorializing that it detracts from any true facts that may be included in the report.

IMO, a news report doesn't have to tell outright lies to stray from true, journalistic news reporting.

[Taltarzac725]

One reason could be that many feel like I do...that the media may state some facts, but then they so frequently and blatantly twist them with what should be clearly identified as editorializing that it detracts from any true facts that may be included in the report.

IMO, a news report doesn't have to tell outright lies to stray from true, journalistic news reporting.

Some of the news stations which are all day every hour newscasts are more just talking heads giving their opinions about everything happening that is newsworthy or just of interest to the inquiring minds.

[Northwoods]

One reason could be that many feel like I do...that the media may state some facts, but then they so frequently and blatantly twist them with what should be clearly identified as editorializing that it detracts from any true facts that may be included in the report.

IMO, a news report doesn't have to tell outright lies to stray from true, journalistic news reporting.

I agree. I don't think the media lies... but I do think they report stories that support their bias (eg. they report a negative story about a subject, vs. reporting a positive story on another subject). The media determines what is "news" and I believe their bias creeps into their selection.
Also... the media will report a story, but then they ask a commentator what does this possibly mean, which gives the commentator the ability to speculate on the story. Now it's not fact... it's their OPINION of what it could mean. And that is where I see the bias creep in.

[Trayderjoe]

One reason could be that many feel like I do...that the media may state some facts, but then they so frequently and blatantly twist them with what should be clearly identified as editorializing that it detracts from any true facts that may be included in the report.

IMO, a news report doesn't have to tell outright lies to stray from true, journalistic news reporting.

Some of the news stations which are all day every hour newscasts are more just talking heads giving their opinions about everything happening that is newsworthy or just of interest to the inquiring minds.

I agree. I don't think the media lies... but I do think they report stories that support their bias (eg. they report a negative story about a subject, vs. reporting a positive story on another subject). The media determines what is "news" and I believe their bias creeps into their selection.
Also... the media will report a story, but then they ask a commentator what does this possibly mean, which gives the commentator the ability to speculate on the story. Now it's not fact... it's their OPINION of what it could mean. And that is where I see the bias creep in.

You all are hitting the right "nails". A media outlet should be making a clear distinction between the news and Op-Ed. Unfortunately, that line is often blurred such that opinion tends to become fact. Add to it that when a difference of opinion, on what appears to be Op-Ed is pro-offered, the dissenter in many (not all) cases is shouted down or demeaned for their opinion and relevant facts to support that opinion are dismissed out of hand.

Additionally, just because something is posted on the web via social media does not make it true, and solely using that posting as a basis for "news" reporting can be misleading and is irresponsible at best. Today, the race is on to be first, whether it be via broadcast or social media posting. Verifying the facts before commenting, even in an Op-Ed, should be the norm, not the exception. It used to be that two independent sources were needed before an article was published. Had the general media spent a modicum of time to investigate the short video related to the Covington High School student, the story might have been about the social media publisher of that clipped video and why that person(s) chose to deliberately mislead people. Instead, the media bias that Northwoods cited, and the need "to be fast" made the Covington student an immediate target and the facts no longer mattered.

The bottom line is that the media has managed to submarine their own integrity. I avoid many of the cable news networks, not because of opinion differences, but because of a lack of journalistic ethics exhibited by those networks. I fact check where the issue is of importance to me, so in that regard I agree with the OP. Edgar Allen Poe said, “Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see.”

[graciegirl]

You all are hitting the right "nails". A media outlet should be making a clear distinction between the news and Op-Ed. Unfortunately, that line is often blurred such that opinion tends to become fact. Add to it that when a difference of opinion, on what appears to be Op-Ed is pro-offered, the dissenter in many (not all) cases is shouted down or demeaned for their opinion and relevant facts to support that opinion are dismissed out of hand.

Additionally, just because something is posted on the web via social media does not make it true, and solely using that posting as a basis for "news" reporting can be misleading and is irresponsible at best. Today, the race is on to be first, whether it be via broadcast or social media posting. Verifying the facts before commenting, even in an Op-Ed, should be the norm, not the exception. It used to be that two independent sources were needed before an article was published. Had the general media spent a modicum of time to investigate the short video related to the Covington High School student, the story might have been about the social media publisher of that clipped video and why that person(s) chose to deliberately mislead people. Instead, the media bias that Northwoods cited, and the need "to be fast" made the Covington student an immediate target and the facts no longer mattered.

The bottom line is that the media has managed to submarine their own integrity. I avoid many of the cable news networks, not because of opinion differences, but because of a lack of journalistic ethics exhibited by those networks. I fact check where the issue is of importance to me, so in that regard I agree with the OP. Edgar Allen Poe said, “Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see.”

Well said.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There's also the issue about the word itself. "Media" does not mean "news." Even "news media" doesn't mean "news." The words are bandied about and interchanged so often, that it's no wonder people use them to describe things that they don't actually mean. The media is TV, print, video, Facebook, other internet carriage of information and entertainment. Entertainment falls into that category, so do gossip magazines. It's all produced, performed, published, and displayed by "the media."

News media is media that is not intentionally entertainment (though it could very well be entertaining). Op-ed programs like Face the Nation and Fox & Friends - is produced by news media, even though neither are actually "news."

News is information. Nothing more or less. It is exclusively information. It might be information that adds to something you already knew, or is something that is literally "new." But it is not op-ed, it isn't entertainment (though again - it could be entertaining).

"Eagles have been nesting on Delray Beach this season" is news, because it provides information, with no emotional attachment to it.

"Beautiful eagles have graced our beaches" is op-ed. Why? Because it is intended to draw out your emotional response. The writer wants you to feel good about these eagles being on the beaches.

"Eagles transplanted to the beaches and driven out of their natural habitat" is op-ed. Why? Same reason as above. Intended to get an emotional response. Yes it's informative. But that isn't its purpose. It's purpose is to influence your opinion.

All three of the above statements might be true. None of them must be wrong, in order for either of the other two to be right. All three are factual. But only one is news. The other two are op-ed. Not lies, just spin.

FYI none of them are true, I made it up to show an example.

[Boomer]

There's also the issue about the word itself. "Media" does not mean "news." Even "news media" doesn't mean "news." The words are bandied about and interchanged so often, that it's no wonder people use them to describe things that they don't actually mean. The media is TV, print, video, Facebook, other internet carriage of information and entertainment. Entertainment falls into that category, so do gossip magazines. It's all produced, performed, published, and displayed by "the media."

News media is media that is not intentionally entertainment (though it could very well be entertaining). Op-ed programs like Face the Nation and Fox & Friends - is produced by news media, even though neither are actually "news."

News is information. Nothing more or less. It is exclusively information. It might be information that adds to something you already knew, or is something that is literally "new." But it is not op-ed, it isn't entertainment (though again - it could be entertaining).

"Eagles have been nesting on Delray Beach this season" is news, because it provides information, with no emotional attachment to it.

"Beautiful eagles have graced our beaches" is op-ed. Why? Because it is intended to draw out your emotional response. The writer wants you to feel good about these eagles being on the beaches.

"Eagles transplanted to the beaches and driven out of their natural habitat" is op-ed. Why? Same reason as above. Intended to get an emotional response. Yes it's informative. But that isn't its purpose. It's purpose is to influence your opinion.

All three of the above statements might be true. None of them must be wrong, in order for either of the other two to be right. All three are factual. But only one is news. The other two are op-ed. Not lies, just spin.

FYI none of them are true, I made it up to show an example.

Jazuela,

I just had to pop in here to tell you that is an excellent piece of writing.

Your “made up” examples perfectly explain news vs. the amygdala hijack.

I picked up that term when I was reading an article about how even really smart people get scammed. We are always hearing about those things happening that we can’t believe people can’t see through.

Turns out — it’s science. They know how to target the amygdala, the emotional part of the brain, and keep it fired up until they get the response they want.

[jebartle]

The thread is about TRUTH and HONESTY......you folks want to blame the media for reporting lying........thats really something.

Liars lie....if the media reports that...they are not the liars......so much has gone under the bridge with bold faced lying, that we have simply lost the ability to recognize truth or even care.

if that fact and it IS a fact does not give you serious pause, then you better quickly examine yourself. Lying does not have a political label...it is lying and when the lies are about our country......hey, we have the absolute right to know the truth about our economics....etc.......not plaititudes.

Again I ask you to supply one....just one example of a news media tellng an outright lie on the coverage of news.....legit sources please. i keep asking and never get any. so what the hey are you talking about ?

Exactly bucco!

In this day and time, being truthful and honest MATTERS,, the world is watching but more importantly our children. The media is not at fault for reporting with video, lies, it's the LIAR that needs that bar of soap!

[fw102807]

There's also the issue about the word itself. "Media" does not mean "news." Even "news media" doesn't mean "news." The words are bandied about and interchanged so often, that it's no wonder people use them to describe things that they don't actually mean. The media is TV, print, video, Facebook, other internet carriage of information and entertainment. Entertainment falls into that category, so do gossip magazines. It's all produced, performed, published, and displayed by "the media."

News media is media that is not intentionally entertainment (though it could very well be entertaining). Op-ed programs like Face the Nation and Fox & Friends - is produced by news media, even though neither are actually "news."

News is information. Nothing more or less. It is exclusively information. It might be information that adds to something you already knew, or is something that is literally "new." But it is not op-ed, it isn't entertainment (though again - it could be entertaining).

"Eagles have been nesting on Delray Beach this season" is news, because it provides information, with no emotional attachment to it.

"Beautiful eagles have graced our beaches" is op-ed. Why? Because it is intended to draw out your emotional response. The writer wants you to feel good about these eagles being on the beaches.

"Eagles transplanted to the beaches and driven out of their natural habitat" is op-ed. Why? Same reason as above. Intended to get an emotional response. Yes it's informative. But that isn't its purpose. It's purpose is to influence your opinion.

All three of the above statements might be true. None of them must be wrong, in order for either of the other two to be right. All three are factual. But only one is news. The other two are op-ed. Not lies, just spin.

FYI none of them are true, I made it up to show an example.

Brilliant!

[jebartle]

The media is not the enemy but our values have been compromised. Fact check all sources and then , and only then draw your own conclusions and I'm sure it will be a good one.

[ColdNoMore]

The media is not the enemy but our values have been compromised. Fact check all sources and then , and only then draw your own conclusions and I'm sure it will be a good one.

I only wish, truly wish...I shared your optimism.

I guess there's just been too many conversations I've had, where it has been basically stated that, "there is NOTHING, even proved facts, that will make me change my mind about MY person/viewpoint" has discouraged me of any hope of rational decisions by some...based on honesty, integrity and ethics. :(

[graciegirl]

I only wish, truly wish...I shared your optimism.

I guess there's just been too many conversations I've had, where it has been basically stated that, "there is NOTHING, even proved facts, that will make me change my mind about MY person/viewpoint" has discouraged me of any hope of rational decisions by some...based on honesty, integrity and ethics. :(

I have had those conversations as well. Some believe strongly they are doing the right thing, thinking the right way, believe they make rational decisions based on honesty, integrity and ethics.. There are a lot of people who think they are right and worse, think they are always right. They even believe they have the ultimate truth. But what is worse is their superior attitude, don't you think?:)

[Rags123]

I have had those conversations as well. Some believe strongly they are doing the right thing, thinking the right way, believe they make rational decisions based on honesty, integrity and ethics.. There are a lot of people who think they are right and worse, think they are always right. They even believe they have the ultimate truth. But what is worse is their superior attitude, don't you think?:)

My views on truth and honesty will not change, and I think that position on truth and honesty is the superior position. I welcome to hear from those who believe truth and honesty is not superior to the alternative.

I am open on issues.

[Taltarzac725]

Mark Twain quotations - Opinion (http://www.twainquotes.com/Opinion.html)

Mark Twain's opinions on opinions.

[graciegirl]

Mark Twain quotations - Opinion (http://www.twainquotes.com/Opinion.html)

Mark Twain's opinions on opinions.

Thank you Tal.

We needed that.

[Taltarzac725]

Thank you Tal.

We needed that.

Mark Twain comes in very handy at times.

[Rags123]

TOTV Newsletter
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Posted By Rags123
Allow me once again to clarify. Yes, I am...

Allow me once again to clarify.

Yes, I am BUCCO and will change back to that. I was and still have an account BUCCO since the inception.

I changed my name because my views prompted unwanted...

I am MRS Bucco....will tell him you said hi when he returns. I was not complained about and banned

[graciegirl]

Mark Twain comes in very handy at times.

I have shared this on Facebook. Very apt and soul soothing.

[Taltarzac725]

To all others who are keeping track of all the posters.....I will leave this post and insure that this account is deleted. I usually stay out of TOTV, and yes, hubby got this account because of constant pm attacks

Will advise him CLEARLY and those "official" scorekeepers that we now have only one account and I will not post any longer.

All have a great day...

I really enjoy Bucco's posts.

[Nucky]

Whose's Paying Rent? It ain't me!

This is one of the bestest threads in a long time. I love to hear what others have on their minds and their outlooks. Sure do wish we had one old Forum open for just 24 hours. It would be DY NO MITE! But how would we know what is Truth?

[jebartle]

I'm amazed it's made it to page 18 without mention of the "p" word, yea team, see we can share ideas about fact checking without expletives, and the moderator hasn't had to dig out that really large bar of soap.

[Rags123]

Ask the Mrs.

I am still able to "hear" you and am not surprised that the subject of the thread is secondary to your ongoing soap operas.

I am on here to show my hubby how much I have NOT used this name since the death of any political forum.

He has explained a few times the birth of RAGS and the reason. Of course YOU find any gossip tidbit more important than anything so your pointed post is not surprising.

Both he and I are leaving, so take your soap opera to others and make your judgements on others....we are out of here.

Talk about looking down on others and feeling superior.....two of us minions from beneath your heavenly gaze are leaving thus your realm is reduced.

[fw102807]

:agree::bigbow:


Sorry to see both of you leaving. :(

:agree:

[jebartle]

Does this actually happen? If so, and if it's truly an attack, those posters should be reported and banned.

Huh????, now I'm in the dark, what just happened?

[ColdNoMore]

Huh????, now I'm in the dark, what just happened?

Just something I have been told, by more than one member...that has happened in the past.

I am not claiming any first hand knowledge of it, nor do I personally know of any current efforts...so just toss it in the 'rumor bag.' :D

Sorry for any confusion. :o

[graciegirl]

I am very worried about some of us here. I hope that someone who is very intense is alright. We all feel deeply that we are right and some of us focus more on National issues than others and some of us have ways to diffuse the tension.

I know that not a single one of us would ever want any thing bad to happen to people that we debate with. EVER.

Please know that we may disagree, but never wish anyone harm.

We are all more fragile as we age.

No one wins or loses in most arguments. Life goes on. It is most interesting to see how National issues pan out.

[graciegirl]

I am still able to "hear" you and am not surprised that the subject of the thread is secondary to your ongoing soap operas.

I am on here to show my hubby how much I have NOT used this name since the death of any political forum.

He has explained a few times the birth of RAGS and the reason. Of course YOU find any gossip tidbit more important than anything so your pointed post is not surprising.

Both he and I are leaving, so take your soap opera to others and make your judgements on others....we are out of here.

Talk about looking down on others and feeling superior.....two of us minions from beneath your heavenly gaze are leaving thus your realm is reduced.

I am sorry you are leaving too.

[Taltarzac725]

Does this actually happen? If so, and if it's truly an attack, those posters should be reported and banned.

Yes. That does happen on occasion or did. Not sure if it has happened recently though. It occurred often years ago and caused quite an exodus off of Talk of the Villages. It was probably before 2014 or so though.

[jebartle]

I hope all is well. Certainly anything said on social media will ever ever change our lives. Big hugs for everyone and did I mention fact check, giggle.

[Rags123]

I am very worried about some of us here. I hope that someone who is very intense is alright. We all feel deeply that we are right and some of us focus more on National issues than others and some of us have ways to diffuse the tension.

I know that not a single one of us would ever want any thing bad to happen to people that we debate with. EVER.

Please know that we may disagree, but never wish anyone harm.

We are all more fragile as we age.

No one wins or loses in most arguments. Life goes on. It is most interesting to see how National issues pan out.

This acct has not been deleted as of yet...so....

I shared our resignation letter with her since it..well, I did WITH NO COMMENT...simply allowed her a copy of the letter.

She replied, and I share this with all, and hope it stays. She shared her worry about ME in that email. Her insinuations are the same she has used in the past with others and I resent it.

I am fine. I know the meaning of responding in fact and not diverting things. I know the meaning of being concerned about others lives instead of this forum.

She used to PM me and express this kind of sentiment to me about others, and then have other choice words as she tried to get information.

What I would like as parting gift is to have everyone DISCUSS topics, learn from each other , but leave me alone. I have never been better.

Many threads talk about themselves at the exclusion of all others or anything of substance, but I try not to, or did try.

The snide insinuation, used before in almost the same words is very insulting to me.

Yes, I am intense...I am also vastly more informed than you. You have asked a few if us us to attack a poster on another forum who said bad things about you, or as you have accused and help up registration if other new posters because you were suspicious. I could never find it in myself to do those things.

Do not worry one bit about me or my wife.....I spent a career in politics...I can read people and know from history the character of many. Your remark about my age is frankly extremely insulting.

Why is everything about you speaking down to everyone. What pleasure do you derive from being so

So, just go back to posting ON SUBJECT...not about other people. I find it incredible that you would post something like this. Do you get pleasure from this ?

If you had concern in reality, why would you share it on the public portion....the answer is obvious.

[Kenswing]

Just something I have been told, by more than one member...that has happened in the past.

I am not claiming any first hand knowledge of it, nor do I personally know of any current efforts...so just toss it in the 'rumor bag.' :D

Sorry for any confusion. :o

Wait.. I thought this thread was about truth.. lol

[ColdNoMore]

Yes. That does happen on occasion or did. Not sure if it has happened recently though. It occurred often years ago and caused quite an exodus off of Talk of the Villages. It was probably before 2014 or so though.

Wait.. I thought this thread was about truth.. lol

It very much IS...LOL :D


And Talt is not even one who has ever, before now, mentioned it to me...so add him to the list. :ho:

[Northwoods]

Wow... I feel like I walked into a room right after a big argument. I can feel the tenseness but I have no idea what happened.

[ColdNoMore]

Wait.. I thought this thread was about truth.. lol

SNIP...>You have asked a few if us us to attack a poster on another forum who said bad things about you, or as you have accused and help up registration if other new posters because you were suspicious. I could never find it in myself to do those things<...SNIP

Hmm, the list keeps getting longer. ;)

[fw102807]

It very much IS...LOL :D


And Talt is not even one who has ever, before now, mentioned it to me...so add him to the list. :ho:

So hearsay now equals fact...

[Rags123]

So hearsay now equals fact...

Hoping I have the chance to get back on as Bucco and see what emails they have archived, because I am sloppy and have not deleted them at all, so if I can find them....will share.

Also hope that one of the other folks who were solicited, etc read and come forth.

[graciegirl]

Well good. No one is going to harm themselves.

And truth still is truth.

This surely has been a fascinating thread.

[fw102807]

Hoping I have the chance to get back on as Bucco and see what emails they have archived, because I am sloppy and have not deleted them at all, so if I can find them....will share.

Also hope that one of the other folks who were solicited, etc read and come forth.

It's not that I don't believe you, because I do, but that is not a good argument for truth and facts.

[Rags123]

Well good. No one is going to harm themselves.

And truth still is truth.

This surely has been a fascinating thread.

Hoping I can find the emails and then truth will be served

You have insulted PUBLICLY my wife and I both for no reason.....You expressed your concern (unwarranted) in a PM but had to continue to make a public insinuation...you also know factually that you solicited me and others to attack....I am aware of a lot

I was outta here, but you had to make the snide remarks....not sure what the motivation for that is

[Rags123]

Yes. That does happen on occasion or did. Not sure if it has happened recently though. It occurred often years ago and caused quite an exodus off of Talk of the Villages. It was probably before 2014 or so though.

tHANKS for some kind of justification. I have been on here for a long time thus I only speak of what I know but thanks....folks think this stuff is all made up....it aint

[Rags123]

Well good. No one is going to harm themselves.

And truth still is truth.

This surely has been a fascinating thread.

Still with the condescending attitude.

WHAT EXACTLY LED YOU TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HURTING ANYONE OR THEMSELVES ?

Specifically tell me what prompted that snide comment ????

Not fascinatiing for me......ends 12 years of posting on here, had me and my wife insulted...not very fascinating at all. Youb ruse of these snide comments is legendary

[ColdNoMore]

tHANKS for some kind of justification. I have been on here for a long time thus I only speak of what I know but thanks....folks think this stuff is all made up....it aint

Having only been here a short time compared to yourself, but knowing the effort you've made to prove what you say, upholding what used to be the hallmarks of this great country in morals/real patriotism/ethics/honesty/integrity...I most certainly believe you. :thumbup:

I still wish you and your wife would change your mind about staying, as we need a LOT more like you...and a LOT less like... :ohdear:

[Taltarzac725]

Hoping I have the chance to get back on as Bucco and see what emails they have archived, because I am sloppy and have not deleted them at all, so if I can find them....will share.

Also hope that one of the other folks who were solicited, etc read and come forth.

The people I heard about who were on the receiving end of a lot of bullying left Talk of the Villages quite a ways back. I was very sad to see some of them leave. A lot of them went over to Facebook.

Their friends come on Talk of the Villages on occasion but not all that often.

[graciegirl]

The people I heard about who were on the receiving end of a lot of bullying left Talk of the Villages quite a ways back. I was very sad to see some of them leave. A lot of them went over to Facebook.

Their friends come on Talk of the Villages on occasion but not all that often.

I am glad they are gone too Tal. Do you remember when that guy went over to that other site and was posting using my name?

[Rags123]

The people I heard about who were on the receiving end of a lot of bullying left Talk of the Villages quite a ways back. I was very sad to see some of them leave. A lot of them went over to Facebook.

Their friends come on Talk of the Villages on occasion but not all that often.

Well, Tal...did want to say as I, Bucco, leave....I wish you well in all things. While I never touted the library directly, in reading this thread and seeing where folks get their version of the news, my ongoing, post after post endorsing reading was close.

Cable tv distorts and that is all folks speak of. Is it that hard to read..read..read ?

Good luck and Godspeed Tal.

[Rags123]

I am glad they are gone too Tal. Do you remember when that guy went over to that other site and was posting using my name?

He was complaint about you and your behavior on TOTV, and you solicited about ten if us to go to that site and scare him. I will list the names and your PM request when I find it.

[Rags123]

Well good. No one is going to harm themselves.

And truth still is truth.

This surely has been a fascinating thread.

It for me nor my wife. Cruel insinuations and comments on my age, etc. nasty stuff when you make such snide comments about others

By the way was just discussing this behavior......you told me that guy you solicited me and some others to attack, was a drunk and made posts while drinking.

Was that true or like insinuating things about my age, etc ?

[Taltarzac725]

You will be missed Bucco.

I try to avoid cable news as well and just stick to the evening news.

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[Northwoods]

It was definitely getting too personal...
Let me take a shot at how I see "opinions" right now...
There are dog people and there are cat people. (We're ignoring those that are both right now).
Both feel very strongly about their preference. Let's say the head of the dog "party" is Tiger Woods, and let's say the head of the cat "party" is Lance Armstrong (you can interchange them...). If you're a cat person you can talk about what a cheater and hot head Tiger is. As a dog person, I might actually agree. I might not even respect Tiger Woods. But whether I think Tiger Woods is the best golfer ever or if I think he's a cheating skum, he is only the current figurehead for dog lovers. And ultimately, my "North star" is that I'm a dog lover.
Many people attack Tiger Woods or Lance Armstrong. Or they say why being a dog (or cat) person is unamerican. People need to understand why people are dog people or cat people. People need to stop attacking the other side. Agree to disagree. Both sides have good reasons for their preference/opinions. Stop putting the other side down...

[jebartle]

It was definitely getting too personal...
Let me take a shot at how I see "opinions" right now...
There are dog people and there are cat people. (We're ignoring those that are both right now).
Both feel very strongly about their preference. Let's say the head of the dog "party" is Tiger Woods, and let's say the head of the cat "party" is Lance Armstrong (you can interchange them...). If you're a cat person you can talk about what a cheater and hot head Tiger is. As a dog person, I might actually agree. I might not even respect Tiger Woods. But whether I think Tiger Woods is the best golfer ever or if I think he's a cheating skum, he is only the current figurehead for dog lovers. And ultimately, my "North star" is that I'm a dog lover.
Many people attack Tiger Woods or Lance Armstrong. Or they say why being a dog (or cat) person is unamerican. People need to understand why people are dog people or cat people. People need to stop attacking the other side. Agree to disagree. Both sides have good reasons for their preference/opinions. Stop putting the other side down...

Bravo, and then fact check to make yourself a more educated supporter of cats or dogs, phewww!

[graciegirl]

In summary, this thread has been about the truth, and about compassion too.

[Taltarzac725]

FACT CHECK, FACT CHECK, NO MATTER what your persuasion . Sure hope this does NOT go political because this is so important, this would apply to life. So many times I hear Villagers say "How can I believe what I read and hear?", and in this time, more than any other, it's time for ALL of us to do our homework and investigate where the truth lies. We are so fortunate to have technology at our finger tips, please put the truth as your priority.

Just wanted to go back to this. Call your hometown reference librarians as they are usually familiar with the most reliable sources on many topics. Sports, business, trivia, etc. They are not allowed to give medical nor legal advice though.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There are also "tells" when you're cruising the internet, or when someone posts a video or picture or statement on their facebook page. If you hover over the hyperlink, you'll see the address of that hyperlink. If the address includes mercola or whaleto, you can be pretty confident that it's a conspiracy theory that has already been debunked by actual science. If, once you do click on a link, you discover that it's a commercial website created primarily to sell a product, you can assume their spin will be very heavily in favor of whatever product they're selling. They will cherry-pick actual facts, and draw conclusions based on correlations. Science says: correlation does not equal causation. Always keep that in mind.

I could come up with a few dozen examples of the above but they'd all turn this back into a political discussion. So you can try it out yourself. Come up with a current issue about anything. Now check mercola and whaleto to see what they have to say about it. Then, go to an actual scientific website (not WebMD, that is an aggregate that anyone can upload "articles" to). See the difference for yourself.

A hypothetical example: a friend sends you an article about how blue dye in cotton textile manufacturing causes cancer, and everyone is being told to avoid anything made by Acme Clothing, because they use blue dye.

If you trace that "information" far enough, you're very likely to discover that its original source is Smith Clothing company, which is Acme's #1 competitor. And when you check out "blue dye cancer" google searches, you'll discover that the top 20 results will all favor Smith Clothing, or be against Acme. If you add the word "hoax" to your search, you'll find that Snopes has debunked it.

[Boomer]

In summary, this thread has been about the truth, and about compassion too.

And, thus, history is rewritten. How appropriately Orwellian.

But I know what I saw — even though those posts are gone now.

It sure was not compassion.

I had tried to talk myself out of posting this. But I decided that I would feel bad if I did not speak up for —truth.


(PS: OK, Moderator, get ready for this post to be reported. I’m done.)

[ColdNoMore]

And, thus, history is rewritten. How appropriately Orwellian.

But I know what I saw — even though those posts are gone now.

It sure was not compassion.

I had tried to talk myself out of posting this. But I decided that I would feel bad if I did not speak up for —truth.


(PS: OK, Moderator, get ready for this post to be reported. I’m done.)

:bigbow:


Now THAT'S...the truth!

[Madelaine Amee]

And, thus, history is rewritten. How appropriately Orwellian.

But I know what I saw — even though those posts are gone now.

It sure was not compassion.

I had tried to talk myself out of posting this. But I decided that I would feel bad if I did not speak up for —truth.


(PS: OK, Moderator, get ready for this post to be reported. I’m done.)

Thank you Boomer, for having the guts to write what I could not . There are none so blind as cannot see what they do.

[ColdNoMore]

Thank you Boomer, for having the guts to write what I could not . There are none so blind as cannot see what they do.

And thank you! :thumbup:

[Cedwards38]

You can believe the truth that is reported from reliable news sources, but not from those who are affiliated with a particular political party or persuasion. You know who they are. Those news sources that have reported the truth to us since we were children can still be trusted to do so today. Unfortunately, in today's world so many of us only want to hear things that coincide with what we want to believe rather than the facts.

[Taltarzac725]

You can believe the truth that is reported from reliable news sources, but not from those who are affiliated with a particular political party or persuasion. You know who they are. Those news sources that have reported the truth to us since we were children can still be trusted to do so today. Unfortunately, in today's world so many of us only want to hear things that coincide with what we want to believe rather than the facts.

Facts are often a very painful thing to hear especially when I see the scales over 210 lbs. I liked the One Blood scales before the took the lbs off even if the scale was faulty. The scale would say 205 when it really should have been 209.

They do have a more accurate scale now.

I used to abstract business articles in regional business magazines for Area Business Data Bank put out by Information Access Company then of Belmont, CA. Anyway my editor Robert Lee wanted me to just stick to the facts as much as possible which usually involved numbers like $ earned, $ lost, profit, market share, # of employees, etc. I would try to amuse myself and my editors by sticking puns in the abstracts. History of Information Access Company – FundingUniverse (http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/information-access-company-history/)

[Madelaine Amee]

You can believe the truth that is reported from reliable news sources, but not from those who are affiliated with a particular political party or persuasion. You know who they are. Those news sources that have reported the truth to us since we were children can still be trusted to do so today. Unfortunately, in today's world so many of us only want to hear things that coincide with what we want to believe rather than the facts.

........... and thank you for adding your common sense to this thread.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You can believe the truth that is reported from reliable news sources, but not from those who are affiliated with a particular political party or persuasion. You know who they are. Those news sources that have reported the truth to us since we were children can still be trusted to do so today. Unfortunately, in today's world so many of us only want to hear things that coincide with what we want to believe rather than the facts.

Eh. Not being semantic here but there really is a difference between "reporting the truth" and "reporting truthfully."

If ABC news reports a live stream showing Senator Jimbob proclaiming that he won the Senate by 4 million votes...

and he actually only won it by 20 votes...

ABC news is reporting a lie. But they are reporting it truthfully.

[Taltarzac725]

Eh. Not being semantic here but there really is a difference between "reporting the truth" and "reporting truthfully."

If ABC news reports a live stream showing Senator Jimbob proclaiming that he won the Senate by 4 million votes...

and he actually only won it by 20 votes...

ABC news is reporting a lie. But they are reporting it truthfully.

Lawyers wreck havoc with eye witness accounts of things mainly because the truth is a very hard thing to get at often.

A law professor would have come right down your throat if you ever made a statement with the word truth in it. At least, the first year of law school.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Lawyers wreck havoc with eye witness accounts of things mainly because the truth is a very hard thing to get at often.

A law professor would have come right down your throat if you ever made a statement with the word truth in it. At least, the first year of law school.

Except this has nothing to do with the law. It has to do with journalistic integrity.

In my above example, the news reported something that really did actually happen. Senator Jimbob really did state that he won by 4 million votes. They have it on video, the video is datemarked and timestamped, and it was reported live, in front of millions of witnesses. The statement made by Jimbob really did happen exactly as it was reported. The report itself - is a truthful report.

But the report's topic was about a lie. The fact that he lied is the topic. So it was a truthful accounting of a lie. The report wasn't a lie. And the topic wasn't true.

[graciegirl]

And, thus, history is rewritten. How appropriately Orwellian.

But I know what I saw — even though those posts are gone now.

It sure was not compassion.

I had tried to talk myself out of posting this. But I decided that I would feel bad if I did not speak up for —truth.


(PS: OK, Moderator, get ready for this post to be reported. I’m done.)

Does everyone know that on any post that anyone can click on the poster's screen name and then can read prior posts from the same poster? Many of us were worried that even someone that we disagreed with would feel really bad? It is sometimes very necessary to pay attention to all that is happening. I think that you might have taken something at face value when other indicators that there was more to the story. Sometimes there are posts removed that would have made sense to a lot of things, but the moderator knows best.

[Taltarzac725]

Except this has nothing to do with the law. It has to do with journalistic integrity.

In my above example, the news reported something that really did actually happen. Senator Jimbob really did state that he won by 4 million votes. They have it on video, the video is datemarked and timestamped, and it was reported live, in front of millions of witnesses. The statement made by Jimbob really did happen exactly as it was reported. The report itself - is a truthful report.

But the report's topic was about a lie. The fact that he lied is the topic. So it was a truthful accounting of a lie. The report wasn't a lie. And the topic wasn't true.

OK. I get that.

"Truth" is one of those words that drive philosophers nuts.

I write a lot of journalists on Facebook and they are very prone to mistakes especially on live broadcasts. Some make fun of themselves. Especially to their Facebook fan bases.

There are "journalists" who seem more like Howard Stern type loudmouths even if I often like Stern's rants he just throws out stuff to shock listeners or watchers to bump up his ratings.

[jebartle]

You can believe the truth that is reported from reliable news sources, but not from those who are affiliated with a particular political party or persuasion. You know who they are. Those news sources that have reported the truth to us since we were children can still be trusted to do so today. Unfortunately, in today's world so many of us only want to hear things that coincide with what we want to believe rather than the facts.

:bigbow::bigbow:

[graciegirl]

Ah yes truth. Searching for it. Waiting for it. Perhaps tomorrow, some of us will smile silently and those with no manners will say " nah nah nah nah nah nah.".

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