Thank goodness for the POA!

[ColdNoMore]

The Property Owners Association of The Villages...of course.

After receiving my April issue today, I once again strongly advocate that it is the best $10 a year....any Villager will ever spend. :thumbup:

Unless of course, you tend to react to truth and facts (and yes, sometimes "opinions") like a vampire does...to direct sunlight. :D


In that case, the best advise I can give, would be to pull the curtains and lower the blinds...STAT! :ho:

[Kenswing]

The Property Owners Association of The Villages...of course.

After receiving my April issue today, I once again strongly advocate that it is the best $10 a year....any Villager will ever spend. :thumbup:

Unless of course, you tend to react to truth and facts (and yes, sometimes "opinions") like a vampire does...to direct sunlight. :D


In that case, the best advise I can give, would be to pull the curtains and lower the blinds...STAT! :ho:Instead of trying to get a reaction out of people why don't you just give us some examples of why in your opinion it's the best $10 a Villager will ever spend? That would be great information for those of us not yet in the Villages..

[ColdNoMore]

Instead of trying to get a reaction out of people why don't you just give us some examples of why in your opinion it's the best $10 a Villager will ever spend? That would be great information for those of us not yet in the Villages..

The in-depth article on the TVRH rating...for one. :thumbup:

Vacant homes for another.

Since it won't link here, GOOGLE is your friend...but methinks you're already familiar with it. ;)

[Kenswing]

The in-depth article on the TVRH rating...for one. :thumbup:

Vacant homes for another.

Since it won't link here, GOOGLE is your friend...but methinks you're already familiar with it. ;)

Wasn't aware that there was an actually POA that was independent of as you say 'Da Family".. So thanks for that.

Now, can you send me your address so I can sign up. They require that you're a Villages resident.. lol

[ColdNoMore]

Wasn't aware that there was an actually POA that was independent of as you say 'Da Family".. So thanks for that.

Now, can you send me your address so I can sign up. They require that you're a Villages resident.. lol

When/if you ever get here, I'll pay a 10 year membership...just for you. :D

[Kenswing]

When/if you ever get here, I'll pay a 10 year membership...just for you. :DModerator, please archive this for later.. lol

[ColdNoMore]

Moderator, please archive this for later.. lol

No need...my word is my bond.

Heck, send me your address and I'll send a Benjamin to you now...to be used for later. :ho:

[Bucco]

This surely can be linked....this appears on driveways all over The Villages and has for years...

Property Owners' Association of The Villages, Inc. (https://www.poa4us.org)

TOTV is not owned or operated by The Villages..at least not to my knowledge.

[ColdNoMore]

This surely can be linked....this appears on driveways all over The Villages and has for years...

Property Owners' Association of The Villages, Inc. (https://www.poa4us.org)

TOTV is not owned or operated by The Villages..at least not to my knowledge.

:thumbup:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Skimmed a couple of articles there just now, the one about vacant homes and weeds and overgrown shrubs and mold seemed pretty important. They're not allowed to do anything other than mow the lawn and weed, when a home is abandoned due to death or someone with Power of Attorney not understanding things or the owner no longer living there and not being able to afford the upkeep anymore.

Is it possible, and permissible, to have a volunteer emergency club that exists exclusively to assist with things like this? Surely some kind neighbors would love nothing more than to trim the hedges, sweep the outside porch, and hose off any mildew on the outside of the structure once every few weeks, swipe a swiffer on external windows, etc. There'd need to be some kind of criteria met - death and a prolonged probate period would qualify, as would a homeowner transferred to a memory care facility and the executor being overwhelmed and just needing someone to lend a hand with these kinds of details while they sort out the estate. Volunteers could sign a hold harmless, so there wouldn't be any insurance issues. There'd be no planting of new things, no beautification, no building, nothing like that. A free temporary short-term emergency service that would not infringe on the rights of commercial ventures who need to earn a living doing the same things. Just simple minor maintenance to minimize the risk of vermin, overgrowth, and decay, for a specified time period.

[njbchbum]

Skimmed a couple of articles there just now, the one about vacant homes and weeds and overgrown shrubs and mold seemed pretty important. They're not allowed to do anything other than mow the lawn and weed, when a home is abandoned due to death or someone with Power of Attorney not understanding things or the owner no longer living there and not being able to afford the upkeep anymore.

Is it possible, and permissible, to have a volunteer emergency club that exists exclusively to assist with things like this? Surely some kind neighbors would love nothing more than to trim the hedges, sweep the outside porch, and hose off any mildew on the outside of the structure once every few weeks, swipe a swiffer on external windows, etc. There'd need to be some kind of criteria met - death and a prolonged probate period would qualify, as would a homeowner transferred to a memory care facility and the executor being overwhelmed and just needing someone to lend a hand with these kinds of details while they sort out the estate. Volunteers could sign a hold harmless, so there wouldn't be any insurance issues. There'd be no planting of new things, no beautification, no building, nothing like that. A free temporary short-term emergency service that would not infringe on the rights of commercial ventures who need to earn a living doing the same things. Just simple minor maintenance to minimize the risk of vermin, overgrowth, and decay, for a specified time period.

Maybe that can be your project once you are all moved in after your formal arrival. It sounds like a great idea and could even evolve into a new club. There was a great group of folks who helped residents after the last hurricane - maybe you can fin their story with a search here or in the Daily Sun.

[Taltarzac725]

Skimmed a couple of articles there just now, the one about vacant homes and weeds and overgrown shrubs and mold seemed pretty important. They're not allowed to do anything other than mow the lawn and weed, when a home is abandoned due to death or someone with Power of Attorney not understanding things or the owner no longer living there and not being able to afford the upkeep anymore.

Is it possible, and permissible, to have a volunteer emergency club that exists exclusively to assist with things like this? Surely some kind neighbors would love nothing more than to trim the hedges, sweep the outside porch, and hose off any mildew on the outside of the structure once every few weeks, swipe a swiffer on external windows, etc. There'd need to be some kind of criteria met - death and a prolonged probate period would qualify, as would a homeowner transferred to a memory care facility and the executor being overwhelmed and just needing someone to lend a hand with these kinds of details while they sort out the estate. Volunteers could sign a hold harmless, so there wouldn't be any insurance issues. There'd be no planting of new things, no beautification, no building, nothing like that. A free temporary short-term emergency service that would not infringe on the rights of commercial ventures who need to earn a living doing the same things. Just simple minor maintenance to minimize the risk of vermin, overgrowth, and decay, for a specified time period.

3 Types of Hold Harmless Agreements & When to Use Them (https://www.thebalancesmb.com/types-of-hold-harmless-agreement-and-when-to-use-844792)

That is a good suggestion.

There was a property like that in our area where the wind had blown the front door open and some neighbors noticed it and one called Community Watch. Who came, went inside and called the police.

Had not seen anything in the news about a breaking and entering so assumed it had been the wind.

I had been out walking the dog when the neighbor in that group called Community Watch and later saw two police cruisers heading to that address.

That property did look pretty bad at the time of the wind pushing the front door open. Someone with the key must not have shut it all the way.

It looks OK now that someone had finally moved in. The furniture had still be in it when the front door blew open.

[Boomer]

The Property Owners Association of The Villages...of course.

After receiving my April issue today, I once again strongly advocate that it is the best $10 a year....any Villager will ever spend. :thumbup:

Unless of course, you tend to react to truth and facts (and yes, sometimes "opinions") like a vampire does...to direct sunlight. :D


In that case, the best advise I can give, would be to pull the curtains and lower the blinds...STAT! :ho:


Hey, Cold,

I’ll see your $10 and raise you a few bucks. Yep. I sent them a few extra because my money is on sunlight, too.

I can be quite pragmatic and so I can most certainly see that The Villages Corp. has done many things extremely well. (Had we not thought so, we never would have bought a house here.)

I believe in balance of power, and the POA is the closest we can come — of course, it is nowhere near a balance, but the POA does provide a way to communicate with the developer and to assist with issues that sometimes develop for homeowners.

I have often tried to explain that owning in TV is analogous to owning stock in a corporation. The decisions for any corporation are made by the upper echelon execs and the board. In publicly held businesses, stockholders can offer opinions at annual meetings or whenever. In reality, the corporation is going to do what is best for the corporation. But corporations want to keep stockholders happy, too, so that factors in — gotta keep that stock price up and running.

The POA speaks up for the stockholders in this corporation we call home. I have never been able to understand why there are those who find that so offensive, especially when they, too, benefit.

Our house got a brand new roof, materials and labor, all free of charge. That was after it was discovered that the shingles manufacturer had a bad run of shingles and a lot of them were in parts of the LSL area. The POA I know was quite helpful in this situation and seemed to work well with the developer. A homeowner alone could never have fought that battle.

I think that shingles situation, a few years ago, was an excellent example of the POA working at its best — with the developer, but certainly not a puppet show.

The VHA and the POA both have their place and purposes. But they are not the same thing. It is good to have both.

Anyway, c’mon, Cold, kick in a few extra bucks. Let the sun shine on. ;) poa4us.org

Sincerely,
Boomer — (Darn it. I posted. Been trying not to. Oh well, at least cutting back.)

[Taltarzac725]

Hey, Cold,

I’ll see your $10 and raise you a few bucks. Yep. I sent them a few extra because my money is on sunlight, too.

I can be quite pragmatic and so I can most certainly see that The Villages Corp. has done many things extremely well. (Had we not thought so, we never would have bought a house here.)

I believe in balance of power, and the POA is the closest we can come — of course, it is nowhere near a balance, but the POA does provide a way to communicate with the developer and to assist with issues that sometimes develop for homeowners.

I have often tried to explain that owning in TV is analogous to owning stock in a corporation. The decisions for any corporation are made by the upper echelon execs and the board. In publicly held businesses, stockholders can offer opinions at annual meetings or whenever. In reality, the corporation is going to do what is best for the corporation. But corporations want to keep stockholders happy, too, so that factors in — gotta keep that stock price up and running.

The POA speaks up for the stockholders in this corporation we call home. I have never been able to understand why there or those who find that so offensive, especially when they, too, benefit.

Our house got a brand new roof, materials and labor, all free of charge. That was after it was discovered that the shingles manufacturer had a bad run of shingles and a lot of them were in parts of the LSL area. The POA I know was quite helpful in this situation and seemed to work well with the developer. A homeowner alone could never have fought that battle.

I think that shingles situation, a few years ago, was an excellent example of how the POA working at its best — with the developer, but certainly not a puppet show.

The VHA and the POA both have their place and purposes. But they are not the same thing. It is good to have both.

Anyway, c’mon, Cold, kick in a few extra bucks. Let the sun shine on. ;) poa4us.org


Sincerely,
Boomer — (damn, I posted. Been trying not to. Oh well, at least cutting back.)

Good post, Boomer. Checks and balances are critical and that is a good example of that. The Orlando Sentinel also at times takes The Villages' developers to task even if those articles seem quite biased as is Leisureville the book from 2005 (or researched then). But many sources are the best way of getting at the facts. Book Review | 'Leisureville,' by Andrew D. Blechman - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/books/review/Leland-t.html)

I seem to recall Blechman writing about the POA. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/history-organization-operation-villages-50085/

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Maybe that can be your project once you are all moved in after your formal arrival. It sounds like a great idea and could even evolve into a new club. There was a great group of folks who helped residents after the last hurricane - maybe you can fin their story with a search here or in the Daily Sun.

I would absolutely positively want to get involved in something like that, though I don't know that I'd want to be in charge of it. Maybe help form a club, and let someone take over once it has a solid founding membership base. And then I could be just "the lady who edges the grass at the driveway and sidewalk area."

[alwann]

I have often tried to explain that owning in TV is analogous to owning stock in a corporation. The decisions for any corporation are made by the upper echelon execs and the board. In publicly held businesses, stockholders can offer opinions at annual meetings or whenever. In reality, the corporation is going to do what is best for the corporation. But corporations want to keep stockholders happy, too, so that factors in — gotta keep that stock price up and running.

Wouldn't it be great if the developer followed this business model just a little?
I fantasize about going to the "A Night With The Developer presentation (or whatever it's called) and he starts by saying: "I follow social media and know there are owners who are concerned about expansion, increasing costs, crime, troubled underage children and the like, so let me address some of these issues."[/I] But that ain't going to happen, except in my dreams.

[Polar Bear]

...But many sources are the best way of getting at the facts...
I’m all for doing homework and getting at the facts, especially for those who haven’t yet made a decision regarding moving to TV.

But for those who are here, how many sources are required to determine the single most important fact of all...are you happy living here.

[Taltarzac725]

I’m all for doing homework and getting at the facts, especially for those who haven’t yet made a decision regarding moving to TV.

But for those who are here, how many sources are required to determine the single most important fact of all...are you happy living here.

The neighbors break it or make it heaven on earth IMHO. And it is hard to control who moves in when someone moves out. We had some lovely neighbors but a tragedy in their family pulled them out so that they could be closer to their surviving family members.

We have been here since June of 2005 and have no plans for leaving even if I pull my life together.

[ColdNoMore]

Hey, Cold,

I’ll see your $10 and raise you a few bucks. Yep. I sent them a few extra because my money is on sunlight, too.

I can be quite pragmatic and so I can most certainly see that The Villages Corp. has done many things extremely well. (Had we not thought so, we never would have bought a house here.)

I believe in balance of power, and the POA is the closest we can come — of course, it is nowhere near a balance, but the POA does provide a way to communicate with the developer and to assist with issues that sometimes develop for homeowners.

I have often tried to explain that owning in TV is analogous to owning stock in a corporation. The decisions for any corporation are made by the upper echelon execs and the board. In publicly held businesses, stockholders can offer opinions at annual meetings or whenever. In reality, the corporation is going to do what is best for the corporation. But corporations want to keep stockholders happy, too, so that factors in — gotta keep that stock price up and running.

The POA speaks up for the stockholders in this corporation we call home. I have never been able to understand why there are those who find that so offensive, especially when they, too, benefit.

Our house got a brand new roof, materials and labor, all free of charge. That was after it was discovered that the shingles manufacturer had a bad run of shingles and a lot of them were in parts of the LSL area. The POA I know was quite helpful in this situation and seemed to work well with the developer. A homeowner alone could never have fought that battle.

I think that shingles situation, a few years ago, was an excellent example of the POA working at its best — with the developer — but certainly not a puppet show.

The VHA and the POA both have their place and purposes. But they are not the same thing. It is good to have both.

Anyway, c’mon, Cold, kick in a few extra bucks. Let the sun shine on. ;) poa4us.org


Sincerely,
Boomer — (Darn it. I posted. Been trying not to. Oh well, at least cutting back.)

Excellent idea! :thumbup:

Although I'm already paid up for the next three years, because of their tireless efforts (unpaid to boot), an additional donation in appreciation...is definitely something I will do.

Until he moves here and I can get him a real subscription...I'll make it an honorary donation from Ken'swing. :D

[thetruth]

Skimmed a couple of articles there just now, the one about vacant homes and weeds and overgrown shrubs and mold seemed pretty important. They're not allowed to do anything other than mow the lawn and weed, when a home is abandoned due to death or someone with Power of Attorney not understanding things or the owner no longer living there and not being able to afford the upkeep anymore.

Is it possible, and permissible, to have a volunteer emergency club that exists exclusively to assist with things like this? Surely some kind neighbors would love nothing more than to trim the hedges, sweep the outside porch, and hose off any mildew on the outside of the structure once every few weeks, swipe a swiffer on external windows, etc. There'd need to be some kind of criteria met - death and a prolonged probate period would
qualify, as would a homeowner transferred to a memory care facility and the executor being overwhelmed and just needing someone to lend a hand with these kinds of details while they sort out the estate. Volunteers could sign a hold harmless, so there wouldn't be any insurance issues. There'd be no planting of new things, no beautification, no building, nothing like that. A free temporary short-term emergency service that would not infringe on the rights of commercial ventures who need to earn a living doing the same things. Just simple minor maintenance to minimize the risk of vermin, overgrowth, and decay, for a specified time period.

Throughout civilization there is always a conflict between law, rights and HUMANITY. Sadly, too many folks, complain without KNOWING or CARING.

I recall an elderly lady who had a wooden ramp for her wheel chair. According to the LAW, they notified her she must get it painted. After several according to the LAW notices they started fining her.

THINK-who was right? The neighbor or neighbors who reported her or the neighbors who got together and painted it for her?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Throughout civilization there is always a conflict between law, rights and HUMANITY. Sadly, too many folks, complain without KNOWING or CARING.

I recall an elderly lady who had a wooden ramp for her wheel chair. According to the LAW, they notified her she must get it painted. After several according to the LAW notices they started fining her.

THINK-who was right? The neighbor or neighbors who reported her or the neighbors who got together and painted it for her?

They were both right. The law says it must be painted, and her kind neighbors got together and painted it. Both "law" and "humanity" were satisfied.

[Bogie Shooter]

Skimmed a couple of articles there just now, the one about vacant homes and weeds and overgrown shrubs and mold seemed pretty important. They're not allowed to do anything other than mow the lawn and weed, when a home is abandoned due to death or someone with Power of Attorney not understanding things or the owner no longer living there and not being able to afford the upkeep anymore.

Is it possible, and permissible, to have a volunteer emergency club that exists exclusively to assist with things like this? Surely some kind neighbors would love nothing more than to trim the hedges, sweep the outside porch, and hose off any mildew on the outside of the structure once every few weeks, swipe a swiffer on external windows, etc. There'd need to be some kind of criteria met - death and a prolonged probate period would qualify, as would a homeowner transferred to a memory care facility and the executor being overwhelmed and just needing someone to lend a hand with these kinds of details while they sort out the estate. Volunteers could sign a hold harmless, so there wouldn't be any insurance issues. There'd be no planting of new things, no beautification, no building, nothing like that. A free temporary short-term emergency service that would not infringe on the rights of commercial ventures who need to earn a living doing the same things. Just simple minor maintenance to minimize the risk of vermin, overgrowth, and decay, for a specified time period.
And that would be called trespassing.:police:

[Two Bills]

They were both right. The law says it must be painted, and her kind neighbors got together and painted it. Both "law" and "humanity" were satisfied.

Stuff the the 'rights' of it.
The person who reported her, was an AH.

[Kenswing]

Excellent idea! :thumbup:

Although I'm already paid up for the next three years, because of their tireless efforts (unpaid to boot), an additional donation in appreciation...is definitely something I will do.

Until he moves here and I can get him a real subscription...I'll make it an honorary donation from Ken'swing. :D
Save your money. Just give me your login info so I can read the articles.. Maybe we can petition the POA to allow limited memberships to nonresidents?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And that would be called trespassing.:police:

I guess you're missing the part about asking if it's permissible, and signing a hold harmless, and "assisting" someone else. That would, by implication, mean that someone else knows he/she is being assisted.

It's not trespassing if you are given permission to do it, by whichever authority is authorized to give permission to do it. Whether the homeowner him/herself, or the Power of Attorney holder, or the Executor of the Estate, or other authorized persons who, themselves, have permission to make those decisions on behalf of the homeowner.

[Bucco]

Save your money. Just give me your login info so I can read the articles.. Maybe we can petition the POA to allow limited memberships to nonresidents?

Be aware, unless you already are....the POA was the FIRST such group.

The current VHA came into existence as a result of a failed takeover of the POA, and not even done cleverly, by the developer. That failed attempt resulted in the formation of the current developer backed VHA.

This is only offered because in my 19 years living here, most think the POA was the insurgent group.

[ColdNoMore]

Save your money. Just give me your login info so I can read the articles.. Maybe we can petition the POA to allow limited memberships to nonresidents?

I don't read it online (didn't even know you could), I just wait with bated breath every month...until it shows up in my driveway. :coolsmiley:

[manaboutown]

Andrew Blechman wrote about POA/VHA history in some depth in his book, "Leisureville". I found it quite revealing and informative.

[Kenswing]

Be aware, unless you already are....the POA was the FIRST such group.

The current VHA came into existence as a result of a failed takeover of the POA, and not even done cleverly, by the developer. That failed attempt resulted in the formation of the current developer backed VHA.

This is only offered because in my 19 years living here, most think the POA was the insurgent group.
Had no idea. Thanks. Just found their website.. Home Page - The VHA (https://www.thevha.net/)

[ColdNoMore]

Be aware, unless you already are....the POA was the FIRST such group.

The current VHA came into existence as a result of a failed takeover of the POA, and not even done cleverly, by the developer. That failed attempt resulted in the formation of the current developer backed VHA.

This is only offered because in my 19 years living here, most think the POA was the insurgent group.

I actually wasn't aware of that...so thanks for the history. :thumbup:

It does seem quite strange to me though, that some seem to have a real negative knee-jerk reaction toward something that is simply trying to provide some info, a balancing viewpoint and a peek behind the curtain...in addition to primarily advocating for us residents.

What's so darned wrong with that? :confused:

I really...don't get it. :oops:

[manaboutown]

The POA may have gotten started to deal with these problems. I really do not know.

Villages settles lawsuit, will fund $40M in upgrades - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2008-03-09-villages09-story.html)

[ColdNoMore]

The POA may have gotten started to deal with these problems. I really do not know.

Villages settles lawsuit, will fund $40M in upgrades - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2008-03-09-villages09-story.html)

I think most residents are aware, at least a little, of this lawsuit.

What still amazes me, is that even though 'Da Developer' felt like it was "good for the community," there seems to be those...that are mad that $40M has to be spent on making things better. :oops:

Let that sink in for a minute.

There are actually people upset, that a billionaire who wasn't all that upset that he lost...has to ensure that the infrastructure is maintained.

One really has to ask themselves, why in the world would anyone...be mad about that? :ohdear:

[graciegirl]

My choice is the VHA. I don't like the POA.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Woah I just read the article. My take-away: we can rollerskate on the golf cart paths? That's great! I might just have to buy a new pair.

[ColdNoMore]

Woah I just read the article. My take-away: we can rollerskate on the golf cart paths? That's great! I might just have to buy a new pair.

:D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p02DgHeGdyI

[justjim]

Some residents belong to both the VHA and the POA. On the other hand, the majority belongs to neither.

[ColdNoMore]

Save your money. Just give me your login info so I can read the articles.. Maybe we can petition the POA to allow limited memberships to nonresidents?

I just found out that if you use Bucco's link back up in Post #8, you can actually get a 'Free' copy of the latest bulletin online...without any login info required.

They also have previous bulletins to peruse.

And hey, they're even in color. :cool:

I'll still get you a membership though, so you can have a hard copy delivered monthly...to your (eventual?) new TV residence. :ho:

[ColdNoMore]

Some residents belong to both the VHA and the POA. On the other hand, the majority belongs to neither.

According to the POA's front page, their 'circulation' was 62,200 for April.

I'm sure that's just the total number of bulletins printed and doesn't necessarily mean...that's how many are actually read.

Which is approximately only about 1/2 of our population...so your assertion seems to be correct.

I thought I also read though, where they deliver about 25,000 a month to driveways...for those residents who have paid for a subscription.

I haven't seen anything on claimed membership for the VHA though. :shrug:

[Bogie Shooter]

The POA may have gotten started to deal with these problems. I really do not know.

Villages settles lawsuit, will fund $40M in upgrades - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2008-03-09-villages09-story.html)

If you read here, you will know. Will be helpful when you move to The Villages.
http://poa4us.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/POAhistory1975-1995.pdf

[PennBF]

I like to define the difference between the POA and VHA as one (POA) is meant to alert and protect the residence and the other (VHA) for the Developer to stimulate growth. It does not make sense to like one over the other and shows a bias when that is done which is not a healthy position for the community! We really like the Villages, have been here for 11+ year and are Frogs. (e.g. here until we croak). This is God's waiting room and we should all be thrilled that it exists and we have the privilege to live and enjoy the many plus's. There are a few negatives but that is fine as they are minor compared to the plus's :ho:

[Bucco]

My choice is the VHA. I don't like the POA.

Your post is rather arbitrary.

Any specific reason ? I have "no dog in the race", but found I need to ask why folks make such comments on anything, sans reasons.

Especially given the post spelling out the difference in purpose, which makes sense, given many of the issues brought to light by the POA were and have been of a negative nature, BUT backed with facts, and the VHA seems to be always "selling" perfection which does not exist.....here or anywhere.

[justjim]

According to the POA's front page, their 'circulation' was 62,200 for April.

I'm sure that's just the total number of bulletins printed and doesn't necessarily mean...that's how many are actually read.

Which is approximately only about 1/2 of our population...so your assertion seems to be correct.

I thought I also read though, where they deliver about 25,000 a month to driveways...for those residents who have paid for a subscription.

I haven't seen anything on claimed membership for the VHA though. :shrug:
To actually be a member of the POA you have to pay a membership $10 per household. However, the bulletins are free to everybody without paying the $10. VHA membership is $25 for two years. VHA monthly Voice is an insert in the Daily Sun. IMHO, both serve a purpose and both are good to support.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

To actually be a member of the POA you have to pay a membership $10 per household. However, the bulletins are free to everybody without paying the $10. VHA membership is $25 for two years. VHA monthly Voice is an insert in the Daily Sun. IMHO, both serve a purpose and both are good to support.

I already support the Developer, I won't be paying an extra $25 for two years for what I'm already paying. The POA on the other hand, exists to protect the homeowner, so I'll gladly pay the $10/year once we have the final move-in this summer.

[blueash]

The POA delivers a printed bulletin to every home in TV regardless of whether anyone in the home is a member of the POA. It is of course very expensive especially if no one reads it. Please, if you have no interest or you "don't like the POA" save yourself a trip down the driveway and ask them to not deliver to your house. Similarly if you are gone for the summer, ask them to hold delivery until your return. This saves the POA money but also keeps the neighborhood looking nicer without un-picked up papers sitting there for days.

To stop delivery, or to schedule a hold and restart date:

POA Bulletin No Throw Form Form (https://www.poa4us.org/forms/form_ntl/form_ntl.html)

[perrjojo]

And that would be called trespassing.:police:
Just what I was thinking. It would be a great liability to come on a property without being invited.

[graciegirl]

The POA delivers a printed bulletin to every home in TV regardless of whether anyone in the home is a member of the POA. It is of course very expensive especially if no one reads it. Please, if you have no interest or you "don't like the POA" save yourself a trip down the driveway and ask them to not deliver to your house. Similarly if you are gone for the summer, ask them to hold delivery until your return. This saves the POA money but also keeps the neighborhood looking nicer without un-picked up papers sitting there for days.

To stop delivery, or to schedule a hold and restart date:

POA Bulletin No Throw Form Form (https://www.poa4us.org/forms/form_ntl/form_ntl.html)


I think that is an unrealistic expectation for the paper thrower. Geez.

[spring_chicken]

:boom:
I already support the Developer, I won't be paying an extra $25 for two years for what I'm already paying. The POA on the other hand, exists to protect the homeowner, so I'll gladly pay the $10/year once we have the final move-in this summer.

Yeah, I'm sure the VHA would have made the developer give back that 40 milion. :1rotfl:

[Island57]

POA gave us all the number to call regarding SINK HOLE insurance coverage in Florida.
Senator Baxley: 352-750-3133
BUT, we must also call-
Senator Broxson: 850-487-5001
Broxson is on the 1st committee to hear the House Bill 541 and Senate Bill 566.
If it doesn’t pass Senator Broxson-it will go NO FURTHER.
Page 6 in the POA paper gets you started.
This is such a vitally important issue for all of us.
Please, make those calls soon.
It could be your house or yard to sink, next.

[Velvet]

...

[ColdNoMore]

:boom:

Yeah, I'm sure the VHA would have made the developer give back that 40 milion. :1rotfl:

I know...right? :1rotfl:

The POA advocates FOR the residents in issues with Da Family, whereas the VHA IS Da Family...and is hardly going to advocate against itself. :oops:

It doesn't take a genius, to figure out which one...is more beneficial to us residents. :thumbup:

[CFrance]

I think that is an unrealistic expectation for the paper thrower. Geez.
Not so. It has always worked for us when we've been snowbirds.

[manaboutown]

I think that is an unrealistic expectation for the paper thrower. Geez.

I stop and start newspaper deliveries at homes in two different states regularly and rarely have a problem.

[perrjojo]

I think many people have a negative view of the POA because early on the members were very negative and just looking for problems. I think today’s POA is very helpful and proactive with Villagers concerns. Just my opinion.

[CWGUY]

I think many people have a negative view of the POA because early on the members were very negative and just looking for problems. I think today’s POA is very helpful and proactive with Villagers concerns. Just my opinion.

:ho: Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

[graciegirl]

I think many people have a negative view of the POA because early on the members were very negative and just looking for problems. I think today’s POA is very helpful and proactive with Villagers concerns. Just my opinion.

I agree. Mostly. I wish we had a NEW separate group with representation from all over The Villages, both genders and both p.parties. But I don't wish it enough to start one, because as most of you know, I am really satisfied with how this place is run.

[photo1902]

I agree.

I'm probably in the minority, but I take the POA newsletter from the driveway, and place it in the recycle container. I'm sure the people on the POA are dedicated people, but frankly, I could care less.

[ColdNoMore]

I personally couldn't care less what some folks think about the POA, as the truth is that it's the primary entity...that is willing to stand up for us residents against Da Family. :thumbup:

Obviously, for anyone who is blindly loyal, supports and believes anything that Da Family does or says...I can see where the POA might engender hate.

All I can say is...oh well. :ho:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I personally couldn't care less what some folks think about the POA, as the truth is that it's the primary entity...that is willing to stand up for us residents against Da Family. :thumbup:

Obviously, for anyone who is blindly loyal, supports and believes anything that Da Family does or says...I can see where the POA might engender hate.

All I can say is...oh well. :ho:

It's clear the other guy could care less, because instead of helping the POA save money, trees, ink, by asking them to simply stop delivering to their house, they let the POA think they actually want it, JUST so they can throw it away. Maybe it's time the POA stops delivering to everyone, and only delivers to people who are members. Waste is bad. Intentional waste is criminal.

[ColdNoMore]

It's clear the other guy could care less, because instead of helping the POA save money, trees, ink, by asking them to simply stop delivering to their house, they let the POA think they actually want it, JUST so they can throw it away. Maybe it's time the POA stops delivering to everyone, and only delivers to people who are members. Waste is bad. Intentional waste is criminal.

I agree.

I didn't realize that they delivered to other than subscribers...so they should just stop wasting resources.

I also think your astute observation on your other point...will not be understood.

Oh well. :ohdear:

[blueash]

The placement of a POA bulletin on every driveway is evidence that the POA is trying to keep all the residents informed. While they appreciate those who pay the dues the bulletin is free in your driveway and also at several locations where you can pick one up. It would be great to have those who don't care please stop delivery, but the benefits of keeping the entire community informed outweighs the damage of newspapers going into the garbage or at least hopefully the recycling bin.

[ColdNoMore]

The placement of a POA bulletin on every driveway is evidence that the POA is trying to keep all the residents informed. While they appreciate those who pay the dues the bulletin is free in your driveway and also at several locations where you can pick one up. It would be great to have those who don't care please stop delivery, but the benefits of keeping the entire community informed outweighs the damage of newspapers going into the garbage or at least hopefully the recycling bin.

Excellent post...and points. :thumbup:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Then they at least should use biodegradable plastic bags to contain the papers they toss on peoples' front lawns. They exist, our local market uses them. They're a little more expensive than the ones that clog up the landfills, and they're tinted a slight verdant hue to distinguish them from non-biodegradable bags. Other than that, there's no difference in their usefulness.

[CFrance]

Then they at least should use biodegradable plastic bags to contain the papers they toss on peoples' front lawns. They exist, our local market uses them. They're a little more expensive than the ones that clog up the landfills, and they're tinted a slight verdant hue to distinguish them from non-biodegradable bags. Other than that, there's no difference in their usefulness.
As soon as the Daily Sun does... (they have more $ to play with).

[graciegirl]

As soon as the Daily Sun does... (they have more $ to play with).

People are buying The Daily Sun. The POA paper is left on everybody's driveway.

And I think it is still fun to read the Daily Sun, it arrives very early, and a nice cup of coffee and a real paper that gets news print on your hands and is difficult to turn the pages is a good way to start the day. And MOST of us agree with The Sun. It is one of the largest papers in the country still printed. And paper biodegrades, makes jobs for a lot of people in Jacksonville and overall is very earth friendly.

Good paper, The Sun. And yes Virginia, if you read it in the Sun, it's so.

[CFrance]

People are buying The Daily Sun. The POA paper is left on everybody's driveway.

And I think it is still fun to read the Daily Sun, it arrives very early, and a nice cup of coffee and a real paper that gets news print on your hands and is difficult to turn the pages is a good way to start the day. And MOST of us agree with The Sun. It is one of the largest papers in the country still printed. And paper biodegrades, makes jobs for a lot of people in Jacksonville and overall is very earth friendly.

Good paper, The Sun. And yes Virginia, if you read it in the Sun, it's so.
People are buying the Daily Sun--All the more reason they can afford to switch to biodegradable plastic bags.


I said nothing against the DS or its content. You are reading things into my post, or using it for a soap box.:icon_wink:

[graciegirl]

People are buying the Daily Sun--All the more reason they can afford to switch to biodegradable plastic bags.


I said nothing against the DS or its content. You are reading things into my post, or using it for a soap box.:icon_wink:

People say that to me a lot. I am full of conspiracy.

BUT what would people use to pick up their doggies poop if they didn't use the sleeve from the Sun???

[manaboutown]

The Daily Sun is an uplifting read. Might be nice to have a Daily Sun dispenser at the Hospital ER waiting room so folks have something to read as they pass the time during their long waits to be seen.

[CFrance]

People say that to me a lot. I am full of conspiracy.

BUT what would people use to pick up their doggies poop if they didn't use the sleeve from the Sun???
I prefer the ones you can't see through! (And are biodegradable, of course:))

[CFrance]

The Daily Sun is an uplifting read. Might be nice to have a Daily Sun dispenser at the Hospital ER waiting room so folks have something to read as they pass the time during their long waits to be seen.
It would also be nice to have an online paid subscription available for those of us not wanting to deal with all the paper.

[photo1902]

It's clear the other guy could care less, because instead of helping the POA save money, trees, ink, by asking them to simply stop delivering to their house, they let the POA think they actually want it, JUST so they can throw it away. Maybe it's time the POA stops delivering to everyone, and only delivers to people who are members. Waste is bad. Intentional waste is criminal.

I'm still laughing about the "Intentional waste is criminal". Please cite the criminal code which prevents a homeowner from disposing of newsletters/papers, etc, that show up on their driveway. Keep in mind, I never asked to have the newsletter delivered, never joined their group, etc. So by your logic, if someone disposes of junk mail received by the USPS, that is also illegal? Again, please cite the criminal code.

[Madelaine Amee]

The Daily Sun is an uplifting read. Might be nice to have a Daily Sun dispenser at the Hospital ER waiting room so folks have something to read as they pass the time during their long waits to be seen.

You don't need a dispenser, The Sun is given away free at the hospital.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

People say that to me a lot. I am full of conspiracy.

BUT what would people use to pick up their doggies poop if they didn't use the sleeve from the Sun???

A biodegradable plastic bag, as has been mentioned a couple of times already. The exact same thing I use to clean the litter box for my cat.

[Boomer]

Oh fer goodness sake, has this thread ever jumped the track.

I don't look for a whole day and a half and now I see that what was intended to make more people aware of the existence and importance of the POA has now turned into a back and forth about a paper in the driveway.

I hope this diversionary stuff can settle down a little before the whole thread runs amok.

Please, can we get back to the POA as an organization that watches out for us.

(Yes. I know -- all too well (from reading TOTV since almost the beginning) -- that there are those among us who do not want new readers to even know about the POA. Heaven forbid! Cover it up! The Enemy! The Enemy! How dare the developer ever be questioned!!!! Shut them up! Shut them out!)

Some of this comes from those who have been here for a long time, are nicely settled in, cozy and ensconced, and feeling all will be well for the remainder of their time here. That is a very nice feeling to have and I certainly do not begrudge anyone that delightful comfort zone.

But what I don't get is why some need to bash the POA and to begrudge new and future residents any awareness of its existence. Why the "Us vs. Them" mentality? Why must some see the POA as a rivalry? A threat? I don't get it.

(In Post #13 in this thread, I regaled any readers with the tale of our new roof. We were surprised and impressed to get that letter saying we were on the list for a replacement roof. I called the POA and thanked them for their good work WITH the developer in getting that shingles problem taken care of. (I would have quoted myself here, my post #13, but that would have been gauche. But you can read it there if you want to. I did not say one single bad thing about the developer. But, c'mon, all us people who got those new roofs a few years ago could never have done that by ourselves.)

One of the things I have appreciated the POA doing has to do with sinkholes. I am not up-to-date on that issue right now so I don't know if it is on the back burner or what. But you can type a topic into the search box on poa4us.org and find some archived info.

There have not been a lot of sinkholes, but when a sinkhole happens, it is devastating to the homeowner. Even though catastrophic coverage has been there, the investment in the home is never the same.

(In my sweet, little, fair mind, I always thought there could maybe be some form of self insurance through TV. If the home were to be taken by a sinkhole, the cost would be reimbursed, the lot filled in, the homeowner could just move on. If the risk of sinkholes is not that big and if most people bought into the private insurance, it seems like TV would make a lot of money and the homeowner would be well-protected. But, like I have said before -- I have no idea what I am talking about -- just a thought. And, no, I am not working on that. I just think too much. :) Besides, surely somebody has looked into that possibility. It sure sounds like a win-win to me. There must be some reason it can't be done. )

Anyway, if you are still reading this dissertation and if I have any credibility at all -- who knows -- I hope you will consider my opinion which is that the POA is important to homeowners. All homeowners.

If you go to poa4us.org, scoll down, and look to the left, you can click on the bulletin and all the archived ones, too. Free information. Right there. (And, oh yes, there you will find the aforementioned "Bulletin No Throw Form" too. How convenient is that.)

Boomer

[Madelaine Amee]

Oh fer goodness sake, has this thread ever jumped the track.

I don't look for a whole day and a half and now I see that what was intended to make more people aware of the existence and importance of the POA has now turned into a back and forth about a paper in the driveway.

I hope this diversionary stuff can settle down a little before the whole thread runs amok.

Please, can we get back to the POA as an organization that watches out for us.

(Yes. I know -- all too well (from reading TOTV since almost the beginning) -- that there are those among us who do not want new readers to even know about the POA. Heaven forbid! Cover it up! The Enemy! The Enemy! How dare the developer ever be questioned!!!! Shut them up! Shut them out!)

Some of this comes from those who have been here for a long time, are nicely settled in, cozy and ensconced, and feeling all will be well for the remainder of their time here. That is a very nice feeling to have and I certainly do not begrudge anyone that delightful comfort zone.

But what I don't get is why some need to bash the POA and to begrudge new and future residents any awareness of its existence. Why the "Us vs. Them" mentality? Why must some see the POA as a rivalry? A threat? I don't get it.

(In Post #13 in this thread, I regaled any readers with the tale of our new roof. We were surprised and impressed to get that letter saying we were on the list for a replacement roof. I called the POA and thanked them for their good work WITH the developer in getting that shingles problem taken care of. (I would have quoted myself here, my post #13, but that would have been gauche. But you can read it there if you want to. I did not say one single bad thing about the developer. But, c'mon, all us people who got those new roofs a few years ago could never have done that by ourselves.)

One of the things I have appreciated the POA doing has to do with sinkholes. I am not up-to-date on that issue right now so I don't know if it is on the back burner or what. But you can type a topic into the search box on poa4us.org and find some archived info.

There have not been a lot of sinkholes, but when a sinkhole happens, it is devastating to the homeowner. Even though catastrophic coverage has been there, the investment in the home is never the same.

(In my sweet, little fair mind, I always thought there could maybe be some form of self insurance through TV. If the home were to be taken by a sinkhole, the cost would be reimbursed, the lot filled in, the homeowner could just move on. If the risk of sinkholes is not that big and if most people bought into the private insurance, it seems like TV would make a lot of money and the homeowner would be well-protected. But, like I have said before -- I have no idea what I am talking about -- just a thought. And, no, I am not working on that. I just think too much. :) Besides, surely somebody has looked into that possibility. It sure sounds like a win-win to me. There must be some reason it can't be done. )

Anyway, if you are still reading this dissertation and if I have any credibility at all -- who knows -- I hope you will consider my opinion which is that the POA is important to homeowners. All homeowners.

If you go to poa4us.org, scoll down, and look to the left, you can click on the bulletin and all the archived ones, too. Free information. Right there. (And, oh yes, there you will find the aforementioned "Bulletin No Throw Form" too. How convenient is that.)

Boomer

Luv your commonsense approach to life! :) Keep 'em coming.

[ColdNoMore]

Oh fer goodness sake, has this thread ever jumped the track.

I don't look for a whole day and a half and now I see that what was intended to make more people aware of the existence and importance of the POA has now turned into a back and forth about a paper in the driveway.

I hope this diversionary stuff can settle down a little before the whole thread runs amok.

Please, can we get back to the POA as an organization that watches out for us.

(Yes. I know -- all too well (from reading TOTV since almost the beginning) -- that there are those among us who do not want new readers to even know about the POA. Heaven forbid! Cover it up! The Enemy! The Enemy! How dare the developer ever be questioned!!!! Shut them up! Shut them out!)

Some of this comes from those who have been here for a long time, are nicely settled in, cozy and ensconced, and feeling all will be well for the remainder of their time here. That is a very nice feeling to have and I certainly do not begrudge anyone that delightful comfort zone.

But what I don't get is why some need to bash the POA and to begrudge new and future residents any awareness of its existence. Why the "Us vs. Them" mentality? Why must some see the POA as a rivalry? A threat? I don't get it.

(In Post #13 in this thread, I regaled any readers with the tale of our new roof. We were surprised and impressed to get that letter saying we were on the list for a replacement roof. I called the POA and thanked them for their good work WITH the developer in getting that shingles problem taken care of. (I would have quoted myself here, my post #13, but that would have been gauche. But you can read it there if you want to. I did not say one single bad thing about the developer. But, c'mon, all us people who got those new roofs a few years ago could never have done that by ourselves.)

One of the things I have appreciated the POA doing has to do with sinkholes. I am not up-to-date on that issue right now so I don't know if it is on the back burner or what. But you can type a topic into the search box on poa4us.org and find some archived info.

There have not been a lot of sinkholes, but when a sinkhole happens, it is devastating to the homeowner. Even though catastrophic coverage has been there, the investment in the home is never the same.

(In my sweet, little, fair mind, I always thought there could maybe be some form of self insurance through TV. If the home were to be taken by a sinkhole, the cost would be reimbursed, the lot filled in, the homeowner could just move on. If the risk of sinkholes is not that big and if most people bought into the private insurance, it seems like TV would make a lot of money and the homeowner would be well-protected. But, like I have said before -- I have no idea what I am talking about -- just a thought. And, no, I am not working on that. I just think too much. :) Besides, surely somebody has looked into that possibility. It sure sounds like a win-win to me. There must be some reason it can't be done. )

Anyway, if you are still reading this dissertation and if I have any credibility at all -- who knows -- I hope you will consider my opinion which is that the POA is important to homeowners. All homeowners.

If you go to poa4us.org, scoll down, and look to the left, you can click on the bulletin and all the archived ones, too. Free information. Right there. (And, oh yes, there you will find the aforementioned "Bulletin No Throw Form" too. How convenient is that.)

Boomer


:bigbow:...:bigbow:...:bigbow:


:clap2:

[Bucco]

Oh fer goodness sake, has this thread ever jumped the track.

I don't look for a whole day and a half and now I see that what was intended to make more people aware of the existence and importance of the POA has now turned into a back and forth about a paper in the driveway.

I hope this diversionary stuff can settle down a little before the whole thread runs amok.

Please, can we get back to the POA as an organization that watches out for us.

(Yes. I know -- all too well (from reading TOTV since almost the beginning) -- that there are those among us who do not want new readers to even know about the POA. Heaven forbid! Cover it up! The Enemy! The Enemy! How dare the developer ever be questioned!!!! Shut them up! Shut them out!)

Some of this comes from those who have been here for a long time, are nicely settled in, cozy and ensconced, and feeling all will be well for the remainder of their time here. That is a very nice feeling to have and I certainly do not begrudge anyone that delightful comfort zone.

But what I don't get is why some need to bash the POA and to begrudge new and future residents any awareness of its existence. Why the "Us vs. Them" mentality? Why must some see the POA as a rivalry? A threat? I don't get it.

(In Post #13 in this thread, I regaled any readers with the tale of our new roof. We were surprised and impressed to get that letter saying we were on the list for a replacement roof. I called the POA and thanked them for their good work WITH the developer in getting that shingles problem taken care of. (I would have quoted myself here, my post #13, but that would have been gauche. But you can read it there if you want to. I did not say one single bad thing about the developer. But, c'mon, all us people who got those new roofs a few years ago could never have done that by ourselves.)

One of the things I have appreciated the POA doing has to do with sinkholes. I am not up-to-date on that issue right now so I don't know if it is on the back burner or what. But you can type a topic into the search box on poa4us.org and find some archived info.

There have not been a lot of sinkholes, but when a sinkhole happens, it is devastating to the homeowner. Even though catastrophic coverage has been there, the investment in the home is never the same.

(In my sweet, little fair mind, I always thought there could maybe be some form of self insurance through TV. If the home were to be taken by a sinkhole, the cost would be reimbursed, the lot filled in, the homeowner could just move on. If the risk of sinkholes is not that big and if most people bought into the private insurance, it seems like TV would make a lot of money and the homeowner would be well-protected. But, like I have said before -- I have no idea what I am talking about -- just a thought. And, no, I am not working on that. I just think too much. :) Besides, surely somebody has looked into that possibility. It sure sounds like a win-win to me. There must be some reason it can't be done. )

Anyway, if you are still reading this dissertation and if I have any credibility at all -- who knows -- I hope you will consider my opinion which is that the POA is important to homeowners. All homeowners.

If you go to poa4us.org, scoll down, and look to the left, you can click on the bulletin and all the archived ones, too. Free information. Right there. (And, oh yes, there you will find the aforementioned "Bulletin No Throw Form" too. How convenient is that.)

Boomer

Great post Boomer, and you have tons of credibility with me...which may not make you feel warm and fuzzy, as so many think I am a bit crazy, but your post is a good one, valid and based on facts.

We appear, over the last years, to have welcomed in our midst (on this forum) a number of folks that can only be called "elitists". Also, those folks tend to "preach" and if they have an listening skills, they have long ago been tread on. Even when these type say they "understand", they are peering at many from their perch and frankly often say things like...."we all agree", when we do not at all. They refer to "us" as if we joined their "club" which we did not.

Everyone in The Villages does NOT agree with the many things said on here. Not wanting to be preached to or spend time arguing, OR having the "gang" come and get you just are silent.

Bullying by individual or by group seems to be the 'in thing" now days.......makes things difficult to have any discussion on.

Thanks for a reasonable and well thought out post.

I have been here for NINETEEN years and have always seen both sides, and anyone who arbitrarily says one is right and one is wrong....well, they are not interested in anything but a "win" in that discussion....that is it. The fact that some on here posted that they didn't thing they could even mention the name of the POA tells you a lot about the mood

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Great post Boomer, and you have tons of credibility with me...which may not make you feel warm and fuzzy, as so many think I am a bit crazy, but your post is a good one, valid and based on facts.

We appear, over the last years, to have welcomed in our midst (on this forum) a number of folks that can only be called "elitists". Also, those folks tend to "preach" and if they have an listening skills, they have long ago been tread on. Even when these type say they "understand", they are peering at many from their perch and frankly often say things like...."we all agree", when we do not at all. They refer to "us" as if we joined their "club" which we did not.

Everyone in The Villages does NOT agree with the many things said on here. Not wanting to be preached to or spend time arguing, OR having the "gang" come and get you just are silent.

Bullying by individual or by group seems to be the 'in thing" now days.......makes things difficult to have any discussion on.

Thanks for a reasonable and well thought out post.

I have been here for NINETEEN years and have always seen both sides, and anyone who arbitrarily says one is right and one is wrong....well, they are not interested in anything but a "win" in that discussion....that is it. The fact that some on here posted that they didn't thing they could even mention the name of the POA tells you a lot about the mood

Mm, yes. The "our club, you're an outsider until we say you're not" mentality is rather sordid. Especially the "do you even live here yet?" posts. You don't need to be a 10-year-resident to know that 2+2= 4 in the Villages, since, y'know, it =4 everywhere. If something doesn't add up, it doesn't add up. Whether here or anywhere else. Especially when you resort to (dare I suggest) facts, data, statistics, and professional organizations to back up your reasoning for opinion.

But who cares about science. Flat earthers gonna flat earth.

[graciegirl]

Mm, yes. The "our club, you're an outsider until we say you're not" mentality is rather sordid. Especially the "do you even live here yet?" posts. You don't need to be a 10-year-resident to know that 2+2= 4 in the Villages, since, y'know, it =4 everywhere. If something doesn't add up, it doesn't add up. Whether here or anywhere else. Especially when you resort to (dare I suggest) facts, data, statistics, and professional organizations to back up your reasoning for opinion.

But who cares about science. Flat earthers gonna flat earth.

AND you can catch more flies with sugar than you can with vinegar.

[graciegirl]

People are who they are and they bring themselves with them. If a person has had a long life with successful interactions with people that will continue in The Villages. There are some who never want their real identity to be known.

I have had large gatherings in the past at our home for folks to meet folks from TOTV.

I have not regretted doing so. Everyone is different. Everyone is valuable. Some are more successful than others at life in general and with people in general. And some people just keep repeating their not successful habits.

[Moderator]

The topic is the POA organization. This thread has strayed way off topic. Please return to the topic or the thread will be closed.

Please address the post and not the poster.

Moderator

[Villageswimmer]

Not so. It has always worked for us when we've been snowbirds.

Same here. In fact, I even received an email from them thanking me for letting them know not to deliver.

[CFrance]

Same here. In fact, I even received an email from them thanking me for letting them know not to deliver.
So did I, actually, just after emailing them today to suspend our delivery till fall. Thanks to whoever posted the url, because in all the rigamarole of shutting down and leaving, I plum forgot to notify them.


And Boomer...POA did a lot of work regarding setting up an insurance fund against sink holes. It turned out that there are Florida insurance laws making that impossible. I think you might be able to go on POA's web site and search for that.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I just wish they would allow for open-ended resume dates. We can't move in (officially) til our house up north sells, and we can't even put our house up for sale until June. We're taking trips by car to gradually bring our things down to the house, and I hate to think the neighbors are getting annoyed at seeing the paper there every month just because I can't tell them when to resume delivery.

I just submitted though asking them to hold off til the end of July. I guess I can change it again, if needed.

[CFrance]

I just wish they would allow for open-ended resume dates. We can't move in (officially) til our house up north sells, and we can't even put our house up for sale until June. We're taking trips by car to gradually bring our things down to the house, and I hate to think the neighbors are getting annoyed at seeing the paper there every month just because I can't tell them when to resume delivery.

I just submitted though asking them to hold off til the end of July. I guess I can change it again, if needed.
Just suspend it for a year or a decade, whatever. Go online and read it. When you get back here permanently, go to the site and ask to resume it. Easy peasy.

[ColdNoMore]

The topic is the POA organization. This thread has strayed way off topic. Please return to the topic or the thread will be closed.

Please address the post and not the poster.

Moderator

Thank you. :ho:

[Boomer]

So did I, actually, just after emailing them today to suspend our delivery till fall. Thanks to whoever posted the url, because in all the rigamarole of shutting down and leaving, I plum forgot to notify them.


And Boomer...POA did a lot of work regarding setting up an insurance fund against sink holes. It turned out that there are Florida insurance laws making that impossible. I think you might be able to go on POA's web site and search for that.


Thanks, CFrance, I kind of lost track of it after a while. I figured the power of the insurance company lobbyists probably would kick in somehow and not for the better. (sigh)

Anyway, I do appreciate the POA trying.

[HarleyDoc]

How do you become a member?

[PIASO]

If we are commenting on the publication that is included in the Daily Sun newspaper and thrown in our driveway, I was simply comment it is a waste of money to distribute in both manners. Additionally the publication thrown in the driveways, becomes litter and an eyesore especially for unoccupied properties where the litter remains in the driveway for weeks or even months before it blows onto someone else's property.


The Property Owners Association of The Villages...of course.

After receiving my April issue today, I once again strongly advocate that it is the best $10 a year....any Villager will ever spend. :thumbup:

Unless of course, you tend to react to truth and facts (and yes, sometimes "opinions") like a vampire does...to direct sunlight. :D


In that case, the best advise I can give, would be to pull the curtains and lower the blinds...STAT! :ho:

[ColdNoMore]

If we are commenting on the publication that is included in the Daily Sun newspaper and thrown in our driveway, I was simply comment it is a waste of money to distribute in both manners. Additionally the publication thrown in the driveways, becomes litter and an eyesore especially for unoccupied properties where the litter remains in the driveway for weeks or even months before it blows onto someone else's property.

To answer your question, no...there's absolutely no correlation between the POA and the Sun.


In fact, I can't even imagine and would probably faint, if the POA newsletter was EVER delivered...as part of the Happy Paper. :D

[Boomer]

How do you become a member?

Good morning, Harley Doc, and welcome. (If your screen name refers to your Harley, I must say I absolutely luv the sound of those beautiful machines. Nothing like that throaty rumble. Luv it. I admit to being that lady in the white car with the Florida plates who you might catch staring at any Harley that pulls up alongside at a light. I just can't help it. Sometimes I crack the window so I can listen to that sound. Then somebody behind me lays on their horn and ruins my little bit of fun. (sigh):) )

Anyway, to answer your question about how to join the POA: Their website is poa4us.org

There you will find the info on how to join, along with the current bulletin and all the archived bulletins, too.

If you want to have a look around the site, scroll down, and to the left you will find a list of topics to click on. There is lots of information on poa4us.org that everybody can read.

[aletarw]

Great idea!

[graciegirl]

The Property Owners Association of The Villages...of course.

After receiving my April issue today, I once again strongly advocate that it is the best $10 a year....any Villager will ever spend. :thumbup:

Unless of course, you tend to react to truth and facts (and yes, sometimes "opinions") like a vampire does...to direct sunlight. :D


In that case, the best advise I can give, would be to pull the curtains and lower the blinds...STAT! :ho:

I am not a fan of the POA. I feel that too many members are anti-developer, anti-big business, and looking for an axe to grind. The membership seems to be dropping.

[CFrance]

If we are commenting on the publication that is included in the Daily Sun newspaper and thrown in our driveway, I was simply comment it is a waste of money to distribute in both manners. Additionally the publication thrown in the driveways, becomes litter and an eyesore especially for unoccupied properties where the litter remains in the driveway for weeks or even months before it blows onto someone else's property.
The publication that is distributed in the Sun is not the POA newsletter. It's probably the VHA newsletter. The VHA is an arm of the developer. The POA is independent of the developer and has been a place to stand up for Villagers' rights when the developer has declined to get involved or refused to live up to a promise. (See the roof shingle issue and the amentity lawsuit.)


It's good to read both publications. I support and am a member of the POA and disagree with everything negative said by others. I am not a paying member of the VHA, but I have nothing against them.


To each his own.

[Marathon Man]

I am not a fan of the POA. I feel that too many members are anti-developer, anti-big business, and looking for an axe to grind. The membership seems to be dropping.

I agree with this. There seem to be a "if the developer wants it, it must be bad for us" slant to many of the strories in their bulletin. They seem to have crossed the line between watchdog and alarmist.

[CFrance]

I agree with this. There seem to be a "if the developer wants it, it must be bad for us" slant to many of the strories in their bulletin. They seem to have crossed the line between watchdog and alarmist.
How often do you read it? I read it every month and totally disagree with your opinion.

[refeik]

The Property Owners Association of The Villages...of course.

After receiving my April issue today, I once again strongly advocate that it is the best $10 a year....any Villager will ever spend. :thumbup:

Unless of course, you tend to react to truth and facts (and yes, sometimes "opinions") like a vampire does...to direct sunlight. :D


In that case, the best advise I can give, would be to pull the curtains and lower the blinds...STAT! :ho:

This is the only organization that works totally for the Villager.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I feel that it's not "anti-developer," any more than the VHA is "anti-homeowner."

Seems to me more that the POA's contribution to the community is primarily with the individual homeowner's interests in mind, and the VHA's contribution is primarily with the developer's interests in mind.

Often, the two are at odds with each other. Sometimes they coincide with each other. They balance each other out.

[manaboutown]

I feel that it's not "anti-developer," any more than the VHA is "anti-homeowner."

Seems to me more that the POA's contribution to the community is primarily with the individual homeowner's interests in mind, and the VHA's contribution is primarily with the developer's interests in mind.

Often, the two are at odds with each other. Sometimes they coincide with each other. They balance each other out.

Well said.

[ColdNoMore]

This is the only organization that works totally for the Villager.

Yep, and that really, really...irks some folks.


Why it would, is something only a professional could ever properly delve into...and find the answer. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

How often do you read it? I read it every month and totally disagree with your opinion.

Double ditto! :thumbup:

[graciegirl]

Yep, and that really, really...irks some folks.


Why it would, is something only a professional could ever properly delve into...finding the answer. :ohdear:

Last night The VHA had to turn people away to a "Cut the Cord" presentation at Colony. Three hundred were seated, the rest had to go home.

[patbbb]

I feel that it's not "anti-developer," any more than the VHA is "anti-homeowner."

Seems to me more that the POA's contribution to the community is primarily with the individual homeowner's interests in mind, and the VHA's contribution is primarily with the developer's interests in mind.

Often, the two are at odds with each other. Sometimes they coincide with each other. They balance each other out.

Hmmm... accurate statement, but-

VHA= Villages HOME OWNERS Assn- not developer's assn. Why would a home owner want to belong to an organization who's primary interest is not his? And does the billionaire developer need our additional monetary support?

POA= Property Owners Assn- they represent us and the developer shuns them for that reason.:MOJE_whot:

[twoplanekid]

The correct name is The Villages Homeowners Advocates. Their mission statement states that “The Villages Homeowners Advocates (VHA) is a lifestyle organization whose members are committed to championing the needs of Villagers through:
* Positive, constructive dialogue
* Problem Solving
* Education
* Philanthropic Efforts"

As I have participated in many of the VHA activities, I would submit that they are following their mission statement. I believe that both groups are working for the betterment of everyone living in the Villages.

[patbbb]

The correct name is The Villages Homeowners Advocates. Their mission statement states that “The Villages Homeowners Advocates (VHA) is a lifestyle organization whose members are committed to championing the needs of Villagers through:
* Positive, constructive dialogue
* Problem Solving
* Education
* Philanthropic Efforts"

As I have participated in many of the VHA activities, I would submit that they are following their mission statement. I believe that both groups are working for the betterment of everyone living in the Villages.

Sorry, I was not aware of the name change- when did that occur? Trying to answer that question, I 'Googled' VHA and the following came up as the 2nd item: "The Villages Homeowners Association Community Foundation - The ...
https://www.thevha.net/?voice-articles=villages-homeowners-association-community..."

Hopefully what you aver is correct as I cannot recall the VHA ever going against the developer's wishes in behalf of residents. I do recall that Harold Schwartz formed the VHA after a disagreement with the POA way back when.... Some might say that is a conflict of interests. Anyway, glad to here you're working the the residents.

[Northwoods]

I chose to move here. I am extremely happy here. I have no ax to grind with The Developer. Overall I think they've done a great job. This thread is about the POA. Here is my issue... I hate this "us vs. them" mentality. I would support the POA if their goal was to work with The Developer to resolve issues. But when you refer to The Developer as "Da Family," I don't see that as a collaborative attitude. It is disparaging.

[ColdNoMore]

Hmmm... accurate statement, but-

VHA= Villages HOME OWNERS Assn- not developer's assn. Why would a home owner want to belong to an organization who's primary interest is not his? And does the billionaire developer need our additional monetary support?

POA= Property Owners Assn- they represent us and the developer shuns them for that reason.:MOJE_whot:

Sorry, I was not aware of the name change- when did that occur? Trying to answer that question, I 'Googled' VHA and the following came up as the 2nd item: "The Villages Homeowners Association Community Foundation - The ...
https://www.thevha.net/?voice-articles=villages-homeowners-association-community..."

Hopefully what you aver is correct as I cannot recall the VHA ever going against the developer's wishes in behalf of residents. I do recall that Harold Schwartz formed the VHA after a disagreement with the POA way back when.... Some might say that is a conflict of interests. Anyway, glad to here you're working the the residents.

Exactly! :thumbup:

[Polar Bear]

...Here is my issue... I hate this "us vs. them" mentality. I would support the POA if their goal was to work with The Developer to resolve issues. But when you refer to The Developer as "Da Family," I don't see that as a collaborative attitude. It is disparaging.
Bingo.

But say one thing negative about Tiger Woods and many of those disparaging “Da Family” will be outraged. I guess the term “hater” only fits in certain circumstances.

[Northwoods]

Bingo.

But say one thing negative about Tiger Woods and many of those disparaging “Da Family” will be outraged. I guess the term “hater” only fits in certain circumstances.
Not Me!!!!

[PennBF]

One administration of the POA did try to work with the VHA regarding The Villages needs, etc. and the VHA refused to work
to coordinate their actions, etc.:ohdear:

[Boomer]

HEY! Stopitstopitstopit!

Please do not take this thread off track with all that back and forth about what to call the developer and with interpretations or misinterpretations of what the intended tone is from various posters. This thread is not about name-calling -- real or imagined. This thread is about the POA and and what it does for Villagers.

And. Yes. I support the POA. I wrote some early posts here in this thread somewhere telling the story of getting a new roof on our house in the LSL section of TV. In my posts, I credited the POA, but I also said something like "working with the developer."

I know it was through the POA that the shingles issue was resolved. But when I wrote about that, "with" was an operative word I included.

I have been at many, way too many, bargaining tables throughout my years of teaching. Yes. Union. I get it when it comes to working "with." (I also know that without a group to speak up and bargain, teachers would be paid even lower than they are now.)

Maybe that is the reason it goads me to see the POA get bashed by those who also benefit from the watchdog effect of the POA. -- And for all you word-watchers out there, I mean 'watchdog' in a fair and supportive way. I guess it takes me back to the old days of putting up with union bashers who would criticize, never help, not even pay dues, and yet gladly reap the benefits of those who were working for all.

As far as the Morse family goes, I know that one of the reasons for so much growth is because a lot of generational Morse family members work for TV -- and that will continue. It is their business -- figuratively and literally. I do not care as long as houses hold their value.

But I also have no need to dance in a conga line around the developer. Homeowners in TV are a commodity to the developer. That's all. (Keep in mind that one of the definitions of 'commodity' is "a useful or valuable thing." And, keep in mind, that "useful or valuable things" need to be taken care of.)

But there are always going to be times when there will be something that homeowners need help to communicate very real and specific issues to the developer. And homeowners cannot do that alone.

I am so tired and disgusted and wisely concerned by the "Us vs. Them" mentality that is permeating everything.

I know that there are some personality types who thrive on that way of thinking and cannot accept anything that feels oppositional or maybe even might cause them to look at middle ground. -- Please understand that I am not talking about a good debate. I love a good debate.

-- OK, please, let's get this thread back on track. If it goes personal, it will be buried, which will make those, who for whatever reason, hate the POA very, very happy.

Boomer