Bob Kraft

[villagerjack]

Bob Kraft

After all the Hoopla and the attempt to destroy a mans reputation, there was NEVER ANY EVIDENCE of any human SEX trafficking. Entrapping the men for bogus traffic stops and threatening them unless they “confessed” was all a bogus ploy to involve and place the blame on men for a business run by women without whose ownership or women employees would be non-existent. The very same situation happened where I live in NYS. Two local “”Massage” parlors run by four different Korean women. Blame the Johns, not the real criminals. Indeed the Sun Sentinel whose Sex Trafficking headlines were very prominent is still attacking Kraft and the men entrapped although there is little mention of the zero evidence of such a crime or the bogus traffic stops entrapping the men. Sad the way the news is slanted, some of the Press just do not care how many lives they destroy.

I am not suggesting it does not exist but let’s go after the real cases and not headlines to destroy men’s reputations where there is zero evidence of a sex trafficking crime.

Prosecutors concede no human trafficking in Kraft spa case (https://nypost.com/2019/04/12/prosecutors-concede-no-human-trafficking-in-kraft-spa-case/)

[BobnBev]

But is he guilty of patronizing a prostitute? Facts tend to point that way.:popcorn:

[villagerjack]

But is he guilty of patronizing a prostitute? Facts tend to point that way.:popcorn:

What FACTS do you have? Other than what the “newspaper” told you ? You see, that is the problem. Convicting someone before he is convicted. I notice you said nothing about the women. That aside, the point of my post is about something broader.

[Bucco]

Bob Kraft

After all the Hoopla and the attempt to destroy a mans reputation, there was NEVER ANY EVIDENCE of any human SEX trafficking. Entrapping the men for bogus traffic stops and threatening them unless they “confessed” was all a bogus ploy to involve and place the blame on men for a business run by women without whose ownership or women employees would be non-existent. The very same situation happened where I live in NYS. Two local “”Massage” parlors run by four different Korean women. Blame the Johns, not the real criminals. Indeed the Sun Sentinel whose Sex Trafficking headlines were very prominent is still attacking Kraft and the men entrapped although there is little mention of the zero evidence of such a crime or the bogus traffic stops entrapping the men. Sad the way the news is slanted, some of the Press just do not care how many lives they destroy.

I am not suggesting it does not exist but let’s go after the real cases and not headlines to destroy men’s reputations where there is zero evidence of a sex trafficking crime.

Prosecutors concede no human trafficking in Kraft spa case (https://nypost.com/2019/04/12/prosecutors-concede-no-human-trafficking-in-kraft-spa-case/)

Bob Kraft was NEVER accused of or indicted for human trafficking.

He was in an inappropriate place, doing inappropriate things at an inappropriate time.

What he did is against the law. He has apologized and is trying to insure the tape never is public.

Leave him be....bad timing and he did break the law.

[Fraugoofy]

Bob Kraft was NEVER accused of or indicted for human trafficking.



He was in an inappropriate place, doing inappropriate things at an inappropriate time.



What he did is against the law. He has apologized and is trying to insure the tape never is public.



Leave him be....bad timing and he did break the law.And if it was your daughter or your wife ? Would we still leave Bob alone?

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[CWGUY]

But is he guilty of patronizing a prostitute? Facts tend to point that way.:popcorn:

:police: Put your hands up and slowly back away from the keyboard.... you have the the right to to remain silent! :1rotfl:

[ureout]

What FACTS do you have? Other than what the “newspaper” told you ? You see, that is the problem. Convicting someone before he is convicted. I notice you said nothing about the women. That aside, the point of my post is about something broader.

seriously do you really think he went there for a massage..lmao.. they should have released the tapes.. but that will never happen because of the almighty $$$$

[Bucco]

And if it was your daughter or your wife ? Would we still leave Bob alone?

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I sure do not understand your post. He broke the law...telling someone to let it rest on the forum is along way from whatever is in your mind.

There was a previous contentious thread on this, where I was ostracized because so many wanted to defend him, and I did not.

But, hey....let's give it a rest....we don't do threads on other folks who pay for sex...why is Kraft so important to be so defended was my question on the other thread, and still don't know the answer.

The OP has a problem, not with prosecuting Folks who frequent and pay for sex, just Kraft is deemed innocent for some reason on here, so forget it,....he paid for sex, violated the law, and is not working overtime to keep the tape under wraps.

[Fraugoofy]

I sure do not understand your post. He broke the law...telling someone to let it rest on the forum is along way from whatever is in your mind.



There was a previous contentious thread on this, where I was ostracized because so many wanted to defend him, and I did not.



But, hey....let's give it a rest....we don't do threads on other folks who pay for sex...why is Kraft so important to be so defended was my question on the other thread, and still don't know the answer.



The OP has a problem, not with prosecuting Folks who frequent and pay for sex, just Kraft is deemed innocent for some reason on here, so forget it,....he paid for sex, violated the law, and is not working overtime to keep the tape under wraps.When you stated "leave him be"... I took that you meant leave Bob Kraft be, in other words, he broke the law and oh well, leave him be. I absolutely do not defend those who break the law.

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[bagboy]

And if it was your daughter or your wife ? Would we still leave Bob alone?

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You are ONE MILLION PERCENT correct. Bob Kraft and millions of other men think it's okay to enter an establishment, put their money down, and proceed to be serviced by another mans wife or daughter, who may but probably are not be there by their own choice.

[Bucco]

When you stated "leave him be"... I took that you meant leave Bob Kraft be, in other words, he broke the law and oh well, leave him be. I absolutely do not defend those who break the law.

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Sorry for the misunderstanding...I happen to agree with you 100%.

The original thread, those most posters in his corner were using the new normal scapegoat...the press.

But I am with you...you break the law, and in this case with his lawyers trying to silence the tape, there is video evidence, thus...of course seeing more and more of denying things even though there are tapes..if you break the law, you should pay the price.

My "leave him. Alone" comment referred to the original thread. Folks on here will never criticize him..ever so just leave it.

[Fraugoofy]

Sorry for the misunderstanding...I happen to agree with you 100%.



The original thread, those most posters in his corner were using the new normal scapegoat...the press.



But I am with you...you break the law, and in this case with his lawyers trying to silence the tape, there is video evidence, thus...of course seeing more and more of denying things even though there are tapes..if you break the law, you should pay the price.



My "leave him. Alone" comment referred to the original thread. Folks on here will never criticize him..ever so just leave it.All good, Bucco. Thanks for explaining. We need more of you.

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[New Englander]

The press is trying very hard to destroy Bob Craft because He is good friends with someone the media hates.

[villagerjack]

You are ONE MILLION PERCENT correct. Bob Kraft and millions of other men think it's okay to enter an establishment, put their money down, and proceed to be serviced by another mans wife or daughter, who may but probably are not be there by their own choice.

All female prostitutes who sell their bodies for cash are “another mans daughters”. That is probably the only FACT in your post unless you can name and prove the millions of men being “ serviced”. An outrageous supposition. These prostitutes did it voluntarily out of their own free will because it is firmly established in this Country that a woman can do whatever she wants with her own body. Unfortunately it is against the law but no one wants to point that out. If these woman did not voluntarily choose selling their bodies for cash as a profession, there would be no massage parlors allegedly breaking the law.

[villagerjack]

The press is trying very hard to destroy Bob Craft because He is good friends with someone the media hates.

Yes, I believe that to be the case.

[bagboy]

All female prostitutes who sell their bodies for cash are “another mans daughters”. That is probably the only FACT in your post unless you can name and prove the millions of men being “ serviced”. An outrageous supposition. These prostitutes did it voluntarily out of their own free will because it is firmly established in this Country that a woman can do whatever she wants with her own body. Unfortunately it is against the law but no one wants to point that out. If these woman did not voluntarily choose selling their bodies for cash as a profession, there would be no massage parlors allegedly breaking the law.

Im going to guess you don't have children, and I'll leave it at that.

[ColdNoMore]

All good, Bucco. Thanks for explaining.

We need more of you.


ABSOLUTELY! :thumbup:




As for Kraft, I hope they throw the book at his dumb *** and start publishing the names in newspapers of every 'John'...that gets caught with prostitutes in the future. :boom:


I'm still trying to figure out though, why anyone would spend so much effort...trying to defend him? :oops:

[Bucco]

The press is trying very hard to destroy Bob Craft because He is good friends with someone the media hates.

What media source dragged him to this massage parlor ?

What media source made him ask for sex and offer money ?

Both on tape, by the way.

How many reporters does it take to hold down Kraft and make him submit to a young gal ?

The freakin man apologized...never denied it, and that raid was going to happen whether he was there or not.

I, also wonder how the media pressured the other men into these sex acts in in order to make it seem more random ?

And most unbelievable is how they set this up so far in advance with cameras and a fake raid and all ?

Truely amazing.

And of course he was there twice, so that darn media was busy.

Yep..everything is a set up and everything is about....well, do you even comprehend how foolish you sound?

[ColdNoMore]

What media source dragged him to this massage parlor ?

What media source made him ask for sex and offer money ?

Both on tape, by the way.

How many reporters does it take to hold down Kraft and make him submit to a young gal ?

The freakin man apologized...never denied it, and that raid was going to happen whether he was there or not.

I, also wonder how the media pressured the other men into these sex acts in in order to make it seem more random ?

And most unbelievable is how they set this up so far in advance with cameras and a fake raid and all ?

Truely amazing.

And of course he was there twice, so that darn media was busy.

Yep..everything is a set up and everything is about....well, do you even comprehend how foolish you sound?

Awesome! :1rotfl:


Proving Fraugoofy...absolutely correct! :thumbup:

[Bucco]

Im going to guess you don't have children, and I'll leave it at that.

I often wonder about men who pay young girls for sex or any woman, and then go home to their wife and other children.

How proud they must be...

[villagerjack]

Bob Kraft was NEVER accused of or indicted for human trafficking.

He was in an inappropriate place, doing inappropriate things at an inappropriate time.

What he did is against the law. He has apologized and is trying to insure the tape never is public.

Leave him be....bad timing and he did break the law.

He has not been convicted of anything so far so he did not break any laws. The women who owned the business who hired other women to allegedly voluntarily sell their bodies for cash would be guilty if convicted yet the focus is on the men who patronized the businesses and later were entrapped by the police who had zero evidence of sex trafficking but without that element the story would not be headlined. It was a hit piece on Bob Kraft which now has been exposed.

[Kenswing]

Wash, rinse, repeat.. This thread is a carbon copy of the other one and will end up the same way.. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/nfl-football-328/kraft-arrested-285574/?highlight=kraft

[New Englander]

He has not been convicted of anything so far so he did not break any laws. The women who owned the business who hired other women to allegedly voluntarily sell their bodies for cash would be guilty if convicted yet the focus is on the men who patronized the businesses and later were entrapped by the police who had zero evidence of sex trafficking but without that element the story would not be headlined. It was a hit piece on Bob Kraft which now has been exposed.

:agree:

[Bucco]

He has not been convicted of anything so far so he did not break any laws. The women who owned the business who hired other women to allegedly voluntarily sell their bodies for cash would be guilty if convicted yet the focus is on the men who patronized the businesses and later were entrapped by the police who had zero evidence of sex trafficking but without that element the story would not be headlined. It was a hit piece on Bob Kraft which now has been exposed.

As with some others, you create your own reality and you sound just as foolish discussing it. WOW

So many in this country need your defense, and you choose a man on tape violating the law, and say it was a set up....

Conspiracy theory TV....enjoy your world, but warning it goes away

[ColdNoMore]

I often wonder about men who pay young girls for sex or any woman, and then go home to their wife and other children.

How proud they must be...

And then try to minimize the ugliness and disgusting nature of it...or defend others who do it also? :ohdear:

[villagerjack]

seriously do you really think he went there for a massage..lmao.. they should have released the tapes.. but that will never happen because of the almighty $$$$

Maybe not but if this was just about a man going to a massage parlor no one would read it. The POlice and the Press essentially invoked the crime of sex Trafficking next to Krafts name even though they had zero evidence of it. They entrapped the 200 men who also visited the place by creating phony traffic offenses. It was all done to destroy the reputation of a rich, white political rival. It has now been exposed as a ploy but the headlines are never erased.

[villagerjack]

Im going to guess you don't have children, and I'll leave it at that.

You would guess wrong. I have both male and female children and grandchildren But your point is ?

[ColdNoMore]

Maybe not but if this was just about a man going to a massage parlor no one would read it. The POlice and the Press essentially invoked the crime of sex Trafficking next to Krafts name even though they had zero evidence of it. They entrapped the 200 men who also visited the place by creating phony traffic offenses. It was all done to destroy the reputation of a rich, white political rival. It has now been exposed as a ploy but the headlines are never erased.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, there's still plenty of "rich, white political rivals"...that get away with it.


Especially, if they're willing to pay big money...to try & cover it up.

[villagerjack]

I sure do not understand your post. He broke the law...telling someone to let it rest on the forum is along way from whatever is in your mind.

There was a previous contentious thread on this, where I was ostracized because so many wanted to defend him, and I did not.

But, hey....let's give it a rest....we don't do threads on other folks who pay for sex...why is Kraft so important to be so defended was my question on the other thread, and still don't know the answer.

The OP has a problem, not with prosecuting Folks who frequent and pay for sex, just Kraft is deemed innocent for some reason on here, so forget it,....he paid for sex, violated the law, and is not working overtime to keep the tape under wraps.

I did not see anyone defending Kraft. And I said he was not guilty because he was not convicted. That is how it works. I never said anyone involved here, women and men were innocent. You made that up because you don’t want to address the original point. But quite a few think these women were victims or children when in fact the person who allegedly was with Kraft was in her 4os or 50s.

[villagerjack]

What media source dragged him to this massage parlor ?

What media source made him ask for sex and offer money ?

Both on tape, by the way.

How many reporters does it take to hold down Kraft and make him submit to a young gal ?

The freakin man apologized...never denied it, and that raid was going to happen whether he was there or not.

I, also wonder how the media pressured the other men into these sex acts in in order to make it seem more random ?

And most unbelievable is how they set this up so far in advance with cameras and a fake raid and all ?

Truely amazing.

And of course he was there twice, so that darn media was busy.

Yep..everything is a set up and everything is about....well, do you even comprehend how foolish you sound?

Gee not one mention of the phony sex trafficking or entrapping 200 men at bogus traffic stops after they left. And the “young girl” was actually in her 50s. . If this was originally about a massage parlor offering extra services without the added element of sex trafficking the Police would be highly criticized for spending all that money to catch a bunch of Johns. This was a hit piece on a political rival.

[bagboy]

You would guess wrong. I have both male and female children and grandchildren But your point is ?

My point is you seem so insensitive to what can befall our children. For many reasons out of our control , they can succumb to temptations that quickly spiral their life out of control. And in most cases drugs enter the picture. Then to pay for the drugs, they sell drugs, steal to buy drugs, and prostitute themselves.
Do you really think those 14 year olds prowling the truck stop back lots are doing so by their own volition? The 18 year olds lap dancing and doing private dances in the back room are doing it just for fun? The 24 year olds standing on the corner flagging down johns just because they like men?
I could care less who Bob Kraft is, what his politics are, and who his friends are. You would be a fool to think he was there for anything other than sexual gratification.
Ask your kids, ask your grandkids. Your definition and their definition of "choice" might be shockingly different.

[Fraugoofy]

My point is you seem so insensitive to what can befall our children. For many reasons out of our control , they can succumb to temptations that quickly spiral their life out of control. And in most cases drugs enter the picture. Then to pay for the drugs, they sell drugs, steal to buy drugs, and prostitute themselves.

Do you really think those 14 year olds prowling the truck stop back lots are doing so by their own volition? The 18 year olds lap dancing and doing private dances in the back room are doing it just for fun? The 24 year olds standing on the corner flagging down johns just because they like men?

I could care less who Bob Kraft is, what his politics are, and who his friends are. You would be a fool to think he was there for anything other than sexual gratification.

Ask your kids, ask your grandkids. Your definition and their definition of "choice" might be shockingly different.Thank you, bagboy, for "getting it".

I would challenge all of you with granddaughters to get them and 3-4 friends in a room and talk to them about Bob Kraft or men like him... they will be outraged and p1sd off for sure...

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[villagerjack]

Thank you, bagboy, for "getting it".

I would challenge all of you with granddaughters to get them and 3-4 friends in a room and talk to them about Bob Kraft or men like him... they will be outraged and p1sd off for sure...

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And what would you say to them about Bob Kraft? What is he like? What do you know about him? Would you tell them about the women who sell their bodies for cash ?

[villagerjack]

My point is you seem so insensitive to what can befall our children. For many reasons out of our control , they can succumb to temptations that quickly spiral their life out of control. And in most cases drugs enter the picture. Then to pay for the drugs, they sell drugs, steal to buy drugs, and prostitute themselves.
Do you really think those 14 year olds prowling the truck stop back lots are doing so by their own volition? The 18 year olds lap dancing and doing private dances in the back room are doing it just for fun? The 24 year olds standing on the corner flagging down johns just because they like men?
I could care less who Bob Kraft is, what his politics are, and who his friends are. You would be a fool to think he was there for anything other than sexual gratification.
Ask your kids, ask your grandkids. Your definition and their definition of "choice" might be shockingly different.


You are way far afield and making incorrect judgement calls. Read my original post for clarification. There is no evidence at all that these women were actually children for starters. You fail to understand that many of these women are sex workers in their chosen profession. The women who owned the place were businesswomen even though you don’t care for their business. No evidence of anyone being held against their will.

[tophcfa]

Time for the moderator to close this thread, it's getting way to nasty.

[Fraugoofy]

And what would you say to them about Bob Kraft? What is he like? What do you know about him? Would you tell them about the women who sell their bodies for cash ?I would tell them to stay away from people who use vulnerability as a tool to gain power over the powerless.

I would also teach them that men like Bob Kraft don't need to be idolozed...

And trust me, I do tell girls this Monday through Saturday as often and as much as I can. I work with young victims of human trafficking. Some as young as 12. Trust me, they didn't CHOOSE this "profession".


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[villagerjack]

I would tell them to stay away from people who use vulnerability as a tool to gain power over the powerless.

I would also teach them that men like Bob Kraft don't need to be idolozed...

And trust me, I do tell girls this Monday through Saturday as often and as much as I can. I work with young victims of human trafficking. Some as young as 12. Trust me, they didn't CHOOSE this "profession".


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In this hit piece by the Police and Press, there was ZERO evidence of either sex with young girls or SEX TRAFFICKING so why would you use a completely innocent man not guilty of those crimes as your examples to talk about those offenses. TRUST YOU? I always look twice when people say that. Only people who tell the truth deserve trusted. In this case you are using a completely fabricated ( read MADE UP) example to attack a very successful man whose only offense is that his political views are different and he is rich and white. That is a crying shame.

[Fraugoofy]

In this hit piece by the Police and Press, there was ZERO evidence of either sex with young girls or SEX TRAFFICKING so why would you use a completely innocent man not guilty of those crimes as your examples to talk about those offenses. TRUST YOU? I always look twice when people say that. Only people who tell the truth deserve trusted. In this case you are using a completely fabricated ( read MADE UP) example to attack a very successful man whose only offense is that his political views are different and he is rich and white. That is a crying shame.You asked me what I would tell women about men like Bob Kraft. I answered. Prostitution and sex trafficking have a lot in common in case you were unaware.

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[ColdNoMore]

You asked me what I would tell women about men like Bob Kraft. I answered. Prostitution and sex trafficking have a lot in common in case you were unaware.

While your attempt to educate, and even more so, your personal involvement in helping with this abhorrent situation is very admirable...it's obvious as to the root of the problem.

That being those who so ardently support prostitution, those men who seek it out, the ones trying to make excuses for the John's...and imply that it is really just a 'victimless crime' that most women do willingly. :oops:

It's obvious those types will never change their minds, but please keep doing what you're doing, and know...that most decent & moral human beings support you. :thumbup:

[villagerjack]

Except SEX TRAFFICKING had ZERO to do with the arrest of Bob Kraft or the 200 men who were entrapped at traffic stops instead of actually going into the Massage Parlor. They could have shut it down after 5-10 men were arrested and should have and would have if they really believed a horrendous crime was being committed. But that would have not given them the headlines. To justify this very large waste of resources they had to have a headline story so they invented, yes INVENTED, the bogus Sex Trafficking story. This is almost sinful. Destroying a mans reputation at any cost. A 75 year old man having sex with a 50 year old woman is not really a headline story but if your intention is to get a political rival, it is sadly effective.

If you read my original post you will see that I said that Law Enforcement should save their resources for real sex traffickers. Your efforts to widen the circle and drag me in is not very polite or nice.

[Moderator]

Please stay on topic and keep politics out of this thread or it will have to be closed.

Moderator

[ColdNoMore]

With sincere apologies to Billy Shakespeare, for changing one of his most famous lines a bit...


"Some folks doth protest too much, methinks"


:ho:

[collie1228]

This was never really a story about sex trafficking. It's a story about a super rich, super powerful person who is now squirming in the public eye after getting caught in a sleazy act. Human nature being what it is, many of us get great enjoyment out of seeing a rich, powerful person in such a predicament, especially when he owns a sports team that is, shall we say, not much loved outside of New England. While I don't feel a bit sorry for him, I think he's paid the price for his mistake and they ought to just give him a big fine and some community service and stop the madness.

[ColdNoMore]

This was never really a story about sex trafficking. It's a story about a super rich, super powerful person who is now squirming in the public eye after getting caught in a sleazy act. Human nature being what it is, many of us get great enjoyment out of seeing a rich, powerful person in such a predicament, especially when he owns a sports team that is, shall we say, not much loved outside of New England. While I don't feel a bit sorry for him, I think he's paid the price for his mistake and they ought to just give him a big fine and some community service and stop the madness.


Maybe having his chauffeur drive him to various strip mall parking lots and have him spend 8 hours picking up trash...would be a good resolution? :D

[Bucco]

This was never really a story about sex trafficking. It's a story about a super rich, super powerful person who is now squirming in the public eye after getting caught in a sleazy act. Human nature being what it is, many of us get great enjoyment out of seeing a rich, powerful person in such a predicament, especially when he owns a sports team that is, shall we say, not much loved outside of New England. While I don't feel a bit sorry for him, I think he's paid the price for his mistake and they ought to just give him a big fine and some community service and stop the madness.

I sort of agree with you.

Story is still alive, ironically because Kraft lawyers continue to work to insure the video stays on the shelf.

[villagerjack]

While your attempt to educate, and even more so, your personal involvement in helping with this abhorrent situation is very admirable...it's obvious as to the root of the problem.

That being those who so ardently support prostitution, those men who seek it out, the ones trying to make excuses for the John's...and imply that it is really just a 'victimless crime' that most women do willingly. :oops:

It's obvious those types will never change their minds, but please keep doing what you're doing, and know...that most decent & moral human beings support you. :thumbup:


What makes you think anyone needs an education? That is a very pompous self righteous suggestion. No one, except in your imagination perhaps, said anything about “ victimless crimes” you made that up. Just like the Press and the Police. The truth be damned. . Just plant the straw man and go on from there. Sad. The not so veiled suggestion that some posters are not “ decent and moral human beings” as you and Frau say you are, is a sad commentary at how low we have stooped with twisted logic and invented crimes and scenes to make a point to destroy another human being. But apparently destroying men’s reputation is viewed by some as a victimless crime, after all he is rich, successful and white.

[ColdNoMore]

I sort of agree with you.

Story is still alive, ironically because Kraft lawyers continue to work to insure the video stays on the shelf.

Yep, that's really what it all boils down to. :thumbup:

While I certainly have no personal interest in watching such sleaze, if nothing else it would certainly eviscerate the argument that... "he's just a poor innocent person, unfairly accused." :oops:

[villagerjack]

This was never really a story about sex trafficking. It's a story about a super rich, super powerful person who is now squirming in the public eye after getting caught in a sleazy act. Human nature being what it is, many of us get great enjoyment out of seeing a rich, powerful person in such a predicament, especially when he owns a sports team that is, shall we say, not much loved outside of New England. While I don't feel a bit sorry for him, I think he's paid the price for his mistake and they ought to just give him a big fine and some community service and stop the madness.

The police and press could not have justified such a huge expense had they not lied about it being a sex trafficking case. If a 75 year old man having a sexual encounter with a 50 year old woman is considered sleazy, do not spend any time at some of the many outside drinking establishments here in The Villages. Self Righteousness should be the eighth deadly sin. Getting enjoyment at seeing a decent man “squirming” is really sad.

[Chi-Town]

Kraft's lawyers have agreed to the plea of no contest to the lesser charge of assault with a friendly weapon. Case closed (hopefully).

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[villagerjack]

Yep, that's really what it all boils down to. :thumbup:

While I certainly have no personal interest in watching such sleaze, if nothing else it would certainly eviscerate the argument that... "he's just a poor innocent person, unfairly accused." :oops:


Who made THAT argument ? Can you kindly point that out? And do you think his lawyers should want the tapes to be released? Why should they want that ?

[Chi-Town]

No more 20 questions. Case closed.

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