Pool tables

[billlaur]

HOW COME NOT ONE POOL TABLE IN FEENEY,WHATS THE DEAL?????:pray:

[rhood]

You got a putting green instead

[Bogie Shooter]

HOW COME NOT ONE POOL TABLE IN FEENEY,WHATS THE DEAL?????:pray:

Maybe these folks will know.
Recreation Administration
984 Old Mill Run
The Villages, FL 32162

Phone: 352-674-1800

[vintageogauge]

There are pool tables going in the rec. center at Linden scheduled to open before summer, just a short golf car ride from Fenney. Need to be a little patient, lots of stuff already opened down here and much, much more will be here next year. When we moved to Fenney there was only Blue Heron neighborhood pool, the Main rec, center and the sports pool area with less than 30 homes sold, it is amazing what has been added over the last two years and how fast those two years went by. I'm vey pleased with the progress down here.

[Two Bills]

You got a putting green instead

:boom::boom::clap2:

[Topspinmo]

HOW COME NOT ONE POOL TABLE IN FEENEY,WHATS THE DEAL?????:pray:

So, you’re in hurry to play on cheap home models like that’s in SAddlebrook :bigbow: I appreciate you’re dedication to the game.

[billlaur]

that's all they have are cheap tables,but that's what we have and as far as I can see its not going to change....:boom:

[Polar Bear]

I think the pool tables in TV are more than adequate for our general use.

[billlaur]

:a040:for people who are not familiar with the game...:boom:

[JoMar]

:a040:for people who are not familiar with the game...:boom:

Assuming you live here.....you didn't know that before you bought here?

[Polar Bear]

:a040:for people who are not familiar with the game...:boom:
Wow. Sometimes arrogance can be astounding.

I'm very familiar with the game. And I didn't say they were perfect. I said they were more than adequate for our use. I stand by that.

But they may not be adequate for somebody who is challenged to enjoy life and searches for anything at all to find fault with. :a040: :boom:

[retiredguy123]

There are a few professional pool players in The Villages who could make some simple recommendations to significantly improve the quality of the billiards rooms and equipment. It is not about the money. Unfortunately, the developer just doesn't care about the hundreds of people who use the billiards rooms. It is very sad, because The Villages probably owns more pool tables than almost any organization in the country.

[Inexes@aol.com]

For the life of me I will never understand the level of discontent voiced by the residents of TV. I wake up every morning and say a little prayer, thanking the good Lord for allowing me to see another day to enjoy what I have here in TV. I do not wander around my designer home complaining that I don't have everything I would have in a premier home. I golf (or did, before 2 back surgeries) on the many and varied courses available here in TV. And, no, they are not of TPC guality, but they are adequate for most of us here. They could build TPC-like courses, but they would still be destroyed by those who are not conscientious enough to protect them. Golden Ocala is a short drive away and it has replica holes from all over the world, including Amen Corner and TPC in Jacksonville is not that far away for those of you who demand better courses. I am sure when they put in all the pool tables they took into consideration that not all players would be professionals and would probably damage the tables, thus a less than professional quality was used. And for your fine dining taste, Berns in Tampa is a relatively short drive. But I was never one to spend an unreasonable amount of money for something that essentially tastes the same, just presented differently, when it all ultimately ends up in the same place. I am thankful for the many opportunities available to us here. For those less thankful for what has been provided for us here in TV, Golden Ocala is a short drive away, Jupiter, West Palm, etc are available.......

[retiredguy123]

For the life of me I will never understand the level of discontent voiced by the residents of TV. I wake up every morning and say a little prayer, thanking the good Lord for allowing me to see another day to enjoy what I have here in TV. I do not wander around my designer home complaining that I don't have everything I would have in a premier home. I golf (or did, before 2 back surgeries) on the many and varied courses available here in TV. And, no, they are not of TPC guality, but they are adequate for most of us here. They could build TPC-like courses, but they would still be destroyed by those who are not conscientious enough to protect them. Golden Ocala is a short drive away and it has replica holes from all over the world, including Amen Corner and TPC in Jacksonville is not that far away for those of you who demand better courses. I am sure when they put in all the pool tables they took into consideration that not all players would be professionals and would probably damage the tables, thus a less than professional quality was used. And for your fine dining taste, Berns in Tampa is a relatively short drive. But I was never one to spend an unreasonable amount of money for something that essentially tastes the same, just presented differently, when it all ultimately ends up in the same place. I am thankful for the many opportunities available to us here. For those less thankful for what has been provided for us here in TV, Golden Ocala is a short drive away, Jupiter, West Palm, etc are available.......
I agree with everything you said except regarding the pool tables. There are hundreds of serious pool players in The Villages, many of which are learning the game for the first time. Why shouldn't there be a process for the residents to suggest improvements in the equipment and be taken seriously by the developer? And, why isn't the developer interested in providing quality billiard equipment? The needed improvements would not cost additional money, but would greatly improve the billiard rooms. My experience is that any suggestions for improvements in the billiard rooms are almost totally ignored by the developer.

[Polar Bear]

...My experience is that any suggestions for improvements in the billiard rooms are almost totally ignored by the developer.
My guess would be because most people are already satisfied with the billiard rooms.

[billlaur]

Most people are not satisfied with current tables..as more people come here the standards are raised higher.
the developer does not want to hear about things can be improved alreadry been that route.:coolsmiley:all they have to do is go to another manufacturer because these current tables ply like they are seconds..:ohdear:
we got what we got...………..not complaining jus sayin...…………..

[Mikeod]

Except for south of 44, wouldn’t the District Recreation be responsible for upgrading the tables when it’s time to do so? Not the Developer.

[retiredguy123]

Most people are not satisfied with current tables..as more people come here the standards are raised higher.
the developer does not want to hear about things can be improved alreadry been that route.:coolsmiley:all they have to do is go to another manufacturer because these current tables ply like they are seconds..:ohdear:
we got what we got...………..not complaining jus sayin...…………..
I agree. The Villages owns and maintains literally hundreds of pool tables. But, apparently, the developer has no one on their staff who has any expertise in equipment selection or maintenance, or who is responsible for customer satisfaction. I think the situation is ridiculous. I could understand it if they only had a few tables, but they have a major investment in billiard equipment, rec center space, and hundreds of serious pool players. Most pool players are not satisfied with the billiard rooms. Surely, the developer could hire someone who knows billiard equipment and could be responsible for proper equipment selection, maintenance, and management of the billiard rooms.

[Polar Bear]

Most people are not satisfied with current tables...
You say that so casually. I'm not sure it's that certain.

[retiredguy123]

You say that so casually. I'm not sure it's that certain.
One thing that is certain is that The Villages has a multi-million dollar investment in billiard rooms, and they have no one on staff who is an expert on managing a billiard room. If this were a business where people paid by the hour to play pool, like most billiard rooms, they would go out of business. A good manager could improve the conditions and save money at the same time. Saving a few dollars on the equipment is insignificant compared to the cost of the room itself and the furniture, countertops, pool cues, etc. which are underutilized. You have to move furniture out of the way to actually play pool. And, note that the billiard room space is totally dedicated to playing pool. Unlike other spaces in the rec center, it cannot be used for any other purpose.

[yabbadu]

You say that so casually. I'm not sure it's that certain.

What Stats do you have to make such a statement?

[Polar Bear]

What Stats do you have to make such a statement?
What?? I’m not the one making specific claims without facts. I simply expressed personal doubt regarding such claims.

[New Englander]

My guess would be because most people are already satisfied with the billiard rooms.

:agree:

[Bogie Shooter]

I agree with everything you said except regarding the pool tables. There are hundreds of serious pool players in The Villages, many of which are learning the game for the first time. Why shouldn't there be a process for the residents to suggest improvements in the equipment and be taken seriously by the developer? And, why isn't the developer interested in providing quality billiard equipment? The needed improvements would not cost additional money, but would greatly improve the billiard rooms. My experience is that any suggestions for improvements in the billiard rooms are almost totally ignored by the developer.
Does this mean you have contacted Recreation and requested a meeting to share your feelings? Or did you just talk to the Rec Rep. at the Recreation center? If there is no process talk to them, posting on here doesn't accomplish anything.
Further what does The Developer have to do with it anyway?

[Bogie Shooter]

Most people are not satisfied with current tables..as more people come here the standards are raised higher.
the developer does not want to hear about things can be improved alreadry been that route.:coolsmiley:all they have to do is go to another manufacturer because these current tables ply like they are seconds..:ohdear:
we got what we got...………..not complaining jus sayin...…………..

Explain what the Developer has to do with it?

[Topspinmo]

I think the pool tables in TV are more than adequate for our general use.

Then we only need 9 hole golf courses then, more than adequate for general golfers

[Topspinmo]

Does this mean you have contacted Recreation and requested a meeting to share your feelings? Or did you just talk to the Rec Rep. at the Recreation center? If there is no process talk to them, posting on here doesn't accomplish anything.
Further what does The Developer have to do with it anyway?

That was done when saddlebrook was redone, wasted breath.

[retiredguy123]

Does this mean you have contacted Recreation and requested a meeting to share your feelings? Or did you just talk to the Rec Rep. at the Recreation center? If there is no process talk to them, posting on here doesn't accomplish anything.
Further what does The Developer have to do with it anyway?
Over the past few years, there have been many discussions between the Recreation Department and serious billiard players, including The Villages Billiards Club. The Recreation department is not interested in improving the billiard rooms. This is common knowledge among serious billiard players. But, I just find it to be irresponsible to spend millions and millions of dollars on pool tables and billiard rooms, and not hire someone who has some expertise to manage these facilities.

[retiredguy123]

?????
Maybe I mean the Recreation Department, not the developer, but whoever is responsible, they just don't care. This is common knowledge among pool players in The Villages.

[Topspinmo]

Explain what the Developer has to do with it?

Not the developer, it’s his people they put in charge, just like the did with wind screens. How about chopping few tee boxes on each hole on the golf course save money on upkeep. That’s what the did to other sports. When I came here that was standard of excellence, now they cheapened the place. One day it will effect the golf course, just wait.

Good example on tennis court where I play on, groups complained about torn fencing and no gate on other side. They replaced fence that was like new in middle and put no gate in. That fence didn’t need to be replaced. But, they can say look what we done. Another example is when the 6 foot wind screen zip ties break and the wind screen flapping in the wind, they can’t even come out and tie it up. They could at least put some zip ties in the equipment room so some of use the give a ____ could tie it back up, bit no we have to buy zips ties to keep the wind screen from interference of play. You don’t see that on the golf course do you, cause kept up.

[retiredguy123]

That was done when saddlebrook was redone, wasted breath.
I agree. I did the same thing when they built Moyer and spoke with John Rohan. Wasted breath is correct.

[Topspinmo]

:agree:

Like most golfers they don’t have clue

[Bogie Shooter]

Maybe I mean the Recreation Department, not the developer, but whoever is responsible, they just don't care. This is common knowledge among pool players in The Villages.

It might help to find out who is responsible.

[JoMar]

I believe most of the amenities are designed for the general population not specific groups> While there may be serious billiard players here I doubt the District (or is it the PWAC) wants to upgrade tables and equipment for the serious players since they are probably a minority in the scheme of things. I have seen people playing with their grand kids who have never played before, cues dragged across the table, people sitting on the tables instead of using the bridge. I prefer that the amenity fee not be used to put professional level stuff where those that don't respect it have access. JMO

[retiredguy123]

You need to be 13 years old to play billiards. The rec center manager should be enforcing that rule. The pool tables are not cheap tables, but they are lousy tables that could be replaced with much better tables for minimal additional money. They are paying for the aesthetics, not for the function. That is why they need to hire a competent billiards manager.

[vintageogauge]

Maybe they have already decided to do something different in Linden, we will all see in a month or two.

[JoMar]

You need to be 13 years old to play billiards. The rec center manager should be enforcing that rule. The pool tables are not cheap tables, but they are lousy tables that could be replaced with much better tables for minimal additional money. They are paying for the aesthetics, not for the function. That is why they need to hire a competent billiards manager.

We all have grand kids that are 13.....doesn't mean they know how to play billiards. Do we then hire a shuffleboard manager, beach volleyball manager, lawn bowling manager, softball field and equipment manager....my point is that everyone has a game that they want to be at the top of the heap because they believe their game is more important. Just ask those that play golf. JMO

[Paper1]

You need to be 13 years old to play billiards. The rec center manager should be enforcing that rule. The pool tables are not cheap tables, but they are lousy tables that could be replaced with much better tables for minimal additional money. They are paying for the aesthetics, not for the function. That is why they need to hire a competent billiards manager.

All the tables are good quality. What is missing is professional set up and maintainance when needed. Improved lighting is slowly making it’s way through Villages. Tables get a great deal of use and need to be recovered more often.

[retiredguy123]

We all have grand kids that are 13.....doesn't mean they know how to play billiards. Do we then hire a shuffleboard manager, beach volleyball manager, lawn bowling manager, softball field and equipment manager....my point is that everyone has a game that they want to be at the top of the heap because they believe their game is more important. Just ask those that play golf. JMO
Everything you cited are outdoor games that do not require expensive equipment. The pool tables are located in an expensive building, and the equipment is expensive to purchase and maintain. There is no comparison. The billiard rooms should be managed by someone who knows what they are doing to protect the investment.

[Chi-Town]

There are two types of billiards, pocket and carom. Pocket is what we have. But they say carom is a purer form of pool. Maybe one carom per rec center.


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[billlaur]

U da Man, rite on, may u get all the rolls .ur gonna need them on these tables...……..

[billlaur]

you can see how the snooker table at sterling heights has gone over..gets very little play ,league play mostly add a billiards table would be the same....a complete waste.jmo

[New Englander]

I believe most of the amenities are designed for the general population not specific groups> While there may be serious billiard players here I doubt the District (or is it the PWAC) wants to upgrade tables and equipment for the serious players since they are probably a minority in the scheme of things. I have seen people playing with their grand kids who have never played before, cues dragged across the table, people sitting on the tables instead of using the bridge. I prefer that the amenity fee not be used to put professional level stuff where those that don't respect it have access. JMO

Well said!

[Topspinmo]

you can see how the snooker table at sterling heights has gone over..gets very little play ,league play mostly add a billiards table would be the same....a complete waste.jmo

Actually there is snooker league, there only two snooker tables in the villages, the other one is an American snooker table in Chula Vista. Snooker only attracts certain player’s around here as you know it takes superior level of skill just like the championship golf does.

IMO its not the table or the developers, yes, the could of got better platform for the money. it’s managers in charge of the contract to recovering and maintenance at the time of recovering. Which there no maintenance they just remove old cloth put new and don’t do rail cushion maintenance. I don’t stand this when they could get the complete job done right. I also suspect they mix the rail up only reason I can figure out how the pockets at some rec centers are so misaligned?

[Topspinmo]

There are two types of billiards, pocket and carom. Pocket is what we have. But they say carom is a purer form of pool. Maybe one carom per rec center.


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Carom pool lost interest when pockets was put on pool tables. There are some carom leagues and tournaments, but they are rare. Carom pool takes skill level to another level plus you will rarely see carom table to play on if ever? Carom pool would be comparing play golf with one club. It’s that hard.

[Topspinmo]

Well said!

There really no upgrading, up grading would be nice, but it’s getting the right contractor to do job correctly. Poor job on even Brunswick gold crown results the same outcome.

[yabbadu]

Most people are not satisfied with current tables..as more people come here the standards are raised higher.
the developer does not want to hear about things can be improved alreadry been that route.:coolsmiley:all they have to do is go to another manufacturer because these current tables ply like they are seconds..:ohdear:
we got what we got...………..not complaining jus sayin...…………..
What?? I’m not the one making specific claims without facts. I simply expressed personal doubt regarding such claims.

So sorry...did not mean you...tried to figure out how billaur could make an unfounded statement that people are unsatisfied with the tables. He must feel he is speaking for all but like most statements like that they are the ones who are just unhappy people about most things

[yabbadu]

What?? I’m not the one making specific claims without facts. I simply expressed personal doubt regarding such claims.

Sorry...Did not mean you..it was billaur's statement

[billlaur]

yes sir the vast majority speak poorly of the tables,its the cut or angle of the pocket that is misaligned,this is olhausens trademark.. Get a Brunswick gold crown and there will be a world of difference their pockets are cut correctly...why would olhausen ,a pool table manufacturer,put pieces of ivory for signifying diamonds on the rail when the rail is same color as diamonds,you cannot see the diamonds from the other side of table..ridiculous:blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[Marathon Man]

Maybe I mean the Recreation Department, not the developer, but whoever is responsible, they just don't care. This is common knowledge among pool players in The Villages.

Perhaps a good start would be to learn who is responsible for what in the community in which you chose to live, and then go from there.

[Marathon Man]

I believe most of the amenities are designed for the general population not specific groups> While there may be serious billiard players here I doubt the District (or is it the PWAC) wants to upgrade tables and equipment for the serious players since they are probably a minority in the scheme of things. I have seen people playing with their grand kids who have never played before, cues dragged across the table, people sitting on the tables instead of using the bridge. I prefer that the amenity fee not be used to put professional level stuff where those that don't respect it have access. JMO

Agree agree agree.

[retiredguy123]

Of course, people who don't know anything about billiards are not going to complain about the tables. But, billiards is an extremely popular game in The Villages, especially among women who never played before moving here. I understand that The Villages Billiards Club has hundreds of members, and that the club has made attempts in the past to work with the Recreation Department to assist and improve the quality of the equipment and the billiards rooms. But, the Recreation Department has not cooperated. I just think that it is irresponsible to have about 150 pool tables in about 25 rec centers and to not see the need to engage any experts for advice and consultation in the management of this very expensive resource. My opinion.

[billlaur]

well put:coolsmiley:

[billlaur]

management seems to be ok, its the quality of the tables ,seems to be lax..:pray:

[JoMar]

Of course, people who don't know anything about billiards are not going to complain about the tables. But, billiards is an extremely popular game in The Villages, especially among women who never played before moving here. I understand that The Villages Billiards Club has hundreds of members, and that the club has made attempts in the past to work with the Recreation Department to assist and improve the quality of the equipment and the billiards rooms. But, the Recreation Department has not cooperated. I just think that it is irresponsible to have about 150 pool tables in about 25 rec centers and to not see the need to engage any experts for advice and consultation in the management of this very expensive resource. My opinion.

By cooperate do you mean do agree with you and do what you believe is the thing to do?

[retiredguy123]

By cooperate do you mean do agree with you and do what you believe is the thing to do?
Huh? The Villages Billiards Club represents hundreds of pool players, and they have tried, as a group, to work with the Recreation Department to improve the billiard rooms. The problem is that the Recreation Department management just doesn't care. If you have other specific information to dispute that, then please share it. But, I am explaining the situation that is common knowledge within The Villages among the pool players. Apparently, people on this thread just want to propose a totally contrary viewpoint without any specific information to back it up. It is easy to just make stuff up.

[B-flat]

Someone else said it, can’t believe the discontent with those that complain. I’ve been playing pool since I was a child, in fact in college I majored in drinking beer and shooting pool same reason it it took me 6 years for a 4 year degree. I spent too much time in the rec center playing pool then adjourning to the pub. I’m not a pro player but the tables are more than adequate. Discontent? Yea I have some just by the fact I have a family situation that keeps us in the North most of the year and only few months in TV. You wanna talk about discontent I’ll trade places with you, come take care of this family problem that could go on for a few years and I’ll use the less than adequate pool tables.

[Polar Bear]

Someone else said it, can’t believe the discontent with those that complain...I’m not a pro player but the tables are more than adequate...
I think many more Villagers who play billiards agree with you than the complainers would have you believe. :)

[Topspinmo]

Someone else said it, can’t believe the discontent with those that complain. I’ve been playing pool since I was a child, in fact in college I majored in drinking beer and shooting pool same reason it it took me 6 years for a 4 year degree. I spent too much time in the rec center playing pool then adjourning to the pub. I’m not a pro player but the tables are more than adequate. Discontent? Yea I have some just by the fact I have a family situation that keeps us in the North most of the year and only few months in TV. You wanna talk about discontent I’ll trade places with you, come take care of this family problem that could go on for a few years and I’ll use the less than adequate pool tables.

So, part timers says the table are adequate and expert on quality of billiard manufactures. I won’t go into the rest.

[Topspinmo]

I think many more Villagers who play billiards agree with you than the complainers would have you believe. :)

Well, I think you’re wrong.

[Topspinmo]

Huh? The Villages Billiards Club represents hundreds of pool players, and they have tried, as a group, to work with the Recreation Department to improve the billiard rooms. The problem is that the Recreation Department management just doesn't care. If you have other specific information to dispute that, then please share it. But, I am explaining the situation that is common knowledge within The Villages among the pool players. Apparently, people on this thread just want to propose a totally contrary viewpoint without any specific information to back it up. It is easy to just make stuff up.

IMO its the contractor and what the contract reads. Let’s the contractor get out of rail end pad replacement and just do limited job. Which not the contractors fault if he’s expected to do mediocre job.

[B-flat]

So, part timers says the table are adequate and expert on quality of billiard manufactures. I won’t go into the rest.


Maybe you should buy your own best quality table and place it in a room of your choice at home. Or maybe I’ve just played pool into too many dives bars and pool halls.

[billlaur]

cmon nothings going to change. Its been brought up before the recreation committee before,several times over the past 6 years,about better quality tables but has gone nowhere..we will just have to get used to these below average tables..:bigbow:

[Rango]

Assuming you live here.....you didn't know that before you bought here?

:bigbow:

[Goldwingnut]

If there is a problem with the equipment then the correct course of action is to bring this issue to the PWAC and AAC so they can address it. I can tell you from first hand experience that in the 2+ years that PWAC has been tasked with oversight of amenities that pool tables have not been discussed by any public comments. There is a maintenance contract in place that takes care of the tables, if you think this is inadequate, express your concerns.

If you're looking for professional pool tables to be provided, it's not likely to happen. Just as it's unlikely that professional quality dance floors, professional quality basketball courts, professional quality tennis courts, or any other professional level facility. This level of facility is not the intent of the recreation facilities nor is there a budget for it. The amenities are designed to support the residents at large and not a small minority of any group that participate at an elite level.

Yes, we all have our own level of focused interest in our activities and unfortunately many feel their interest need to or should come first and above other priorities. There is a limited budget to maintain ALL the facilities here and the priorities have to be balanced among all of them. What extra we have to give to one will result in reductions or losses to one or many others. If you truly believe that there is a serious issue that needs to be addressed there are people listening and willing to act on them.

Just to be clear, the developer is out of the picture on the amenities operations throughout The Villages and for providing any additional amenities north of SR44, these responsibilities belong to the RAD (VCCDD/AAC) and SLAD (SLCDD/PWAC). Both have budgetary responsibilities and contributions to the Recreation Department to ensure a finite level of service is provided to the residents at large. The Recreation Department attempts to accommodate all the resident's needs but they are constrained by budgetary limitations and have to prioritize.

Again if you feel there is a serious or urgent need or shortfall in the facilities please bring them the to PWAC and AAC, they are the bodies that are your tools for changes. I will caution you that because they are responsible for all of the amenities, they may not ultimately share the same level of priority that you may have on your issue. That doesn't mean they didn't hear your concerns, that it isn't important, your input isn't valued, or that it won't be acted upon, it means that there were issues of high priority than what you wanted delivered or acted upon.

I cannot help after reading this thread but to reflect on current events, specifically the controversy over elimination of the deferral rate, and to find the irony in the NIMBY attitude of so many residents. The "don't raise my rate" or "don't make me live up to my contract" coming from one direction while the "I want more" and "this isn't good enough" comes from the other, many times it's the same people. In the years that I have been a district supervisor and a member of PWAC I cannot recall a single instance were a member of the public has stepped forward during the budgeting process to express their concerns or opinions. In these budget meetings and workshops every line item of the budget is gone over in detail and discussed, and yet no public input, for that matter I can't recall but 2 or 3 times in the last 5 years where a member of the general public even bothered to attend these meetings. I've seen such an outcry for transparency in the budget because of the deferral rate issue, it's there already, few have taken the effort to look.

Please take the time and effort to become involved in your local government, that's the only way it becomes better for everyone.

[Bogie Shooter]

Once again the facts and voice of reason is presented to us.
Thank you.

[blueash]

I am more than a bit confused by the complaints expressed here. One on hand we are told by some of those who are unhappy that the tables being purchased are too low a quality and for about the same price we could have "better" tables.

Billaur all they have are cheap tables all they have to do is go to another manufacturer ..we will just have to get used to these below average tables

Retiredguy123 It is not about the money The needed improvements would not cost additional money, but would greatly improve the billiard rooms The pool tables are not cheap tables, but they are lousy tables that could be replaced with much better tables for minimal additional money.


Or the tables are fine but the ongoing maintenance is poor. The repair companies are not aligning the pockets and re-doing the rails correctly. This is either because they are incompetent getting the right contractor to do job correctly or because they are under contract to not do the job they way the serious players believe it needs to be done. IMO its the contractor and what the contract reads. Let’s the contractor get out of rail end pad replacement and just do limited job. Which not the contractors fault if he’s expected to do mediocre job.

And there are hundreds of players, including serious ones who have just taken up the game. And that the Villages has a " multi-million dollar investment in billiard rooms" So a multimillion dollars for hundreds of players. That is thousands per person including those serious one who just started playing.


So is the complaint that the Villages is cheap and/or that they spend thousands of dollars per person who plays billiards but does so unwisely? Are they buying the wrong tables, or the tables are fine but the repair and upkeep is poor? Maybe they have wised up and decided not to spend so much money when the serious players are so unhappy with the results. And that is why, as the original poster wrote, there has been no rush to install pool rooms below 44.

[Bogie Shooter]

I am more than a bit confused by the complaints expressed here. One on hand we are told by some of those who are unhappy that the tables being purchased are too low a quality and for about the same price we could have "better" tables.






Or the tables are fine but the ongoing maintenance is poor. The repair companies are not aligning the pockets and re-doing the rails correctly. This is either because they are incompetent or because they are under contract to not do the job they way the serious players believe it needs to be done.

And there are hundreds of players, including serious ones who have just taken up the game. And that the Villages has a " multi-million dollar investment in billiard rooms" So a multimillion dollars for hundreds of players. That is thousands per person including those serious one who just started playing.


So is the complaint that the Villages is cheap and/or that they spend thousands of dollars per person who plays billiards but does so unwisely? Are they buying the wrong tables, or the tables are fine but the repair and upkeep is poor? Maybe they have wised up and decided not to spend so much money when the serious players are so unhappy with the results. And that is why, as the original poster wrote, there has been no rush to install pool rooms below 44.

Did you miss post #65?

[Topspinmo]

Maybe you should buy your own best quality table and place it in a room of your choice at home. Or maybe I’ve just played pool into too many dives bars and pool halls.

Maybe you just don’t know the difference

[Topspinmo]

If there is a problem with the equipment then the correct course of action is to bring this issue to the PWAC and AAC so they can address it. I can tell you from first hand experience that in the 2+ years that PWAC has been tasked with oversight of amenities that pool tables have not been discussed by any public comments. There is a maintenance contract in place that takes care of the tables, if you think this is inadequate, express your concerns.

If you're looking for professional pool tables to be provided, it's not likely to happen. Just as it's unlikely that professional quality dance floors, professional quality basketball courts, professional quality tennis courts, or any other professional level facility. This level of facility is not the intent of the recreation facilities nor is there a budget for it. The amenities are designed to support the residents at large and not a small minority of any group that participate at an elite level.

Yes, we all have our own level of focused interest in our activities and unfortunately many feel their interest need to or should come first and above other priorities. There is a limited budget to maintain ALL the facilities here and the priorities have to be balanced among all of them. What extra we have to give to one will result in reductions or losses to one or many others. If you truly believe that there is a serious issue that needs to be addressed there are people listening and willing to act on them.

Just to be clear, the developer is out of the picture on the amenities operations throughout The Villages and for providing any additional amenities north of SR44, these responsibilities belong to the RAD (VCCDD/AAC) and SLAD (SLCDD/PWAC). Both have budgetary responsibilities and contributions to the Recreation Department to ensure a finite level of service is provided to the residents at large. The Recreation Department attempts to accommodate all the resident's needs but they are constrained by budgetary limitations and have to prioritize.

Again if you feel there is a serious or urgent need or shortfall in the facilities please bring them the to PWAC and AAC, they are the bodies that are your tools for changes. I will caution you that because they are responsible for all of the amenities, they may not ultimately share the same level of priority that you may have on your issue. That doesn't mean they didn't hear your concerns, that it isn't important, your input isn't valued, or that it won't be acted upon, it means that there were issues of high priority than what you wanted delivered or acted upon.

I cannot help after reading this thread but to reflect on current events, specifically the controversy over elimination of the deferral rate, and to find the irony in the NIMBY attitude of so many residents. The "don't raise my rate" or "don't make me live up to my contract" coming from one direction while the "I want more" and "this isn't good enough" comes from the other, many times it's the same people. In the years that I have been a district supervisor and a member of PWAC I cannot recall a single instance were a member of the public has stepped forward during the budgeting process to express their concerns or opinions. In these budget meetings and workshops every line item of the budget is gone over in detail and discussed, and yet no public input, for that matter I can't recall but 2 or 3 times in the last 5 years where a member of the general public even bothered to attend these meetings. I've seen such an outcry for transparency in the budget because of the deferral rate issue, it's there already, few have taken the effort to look.

Please take the time and effort to become involved in your local government, that's the only way it becomes better for everyone.

Do you know the difference between residential and commercial table? Residential tables are adequate for home use where play is hardly active. Commercial tables are made for heavy use everyday Day of the year.

Compared to golf complainers, billiards players are Boy Scouts. Pool halls are fine, they just could be whole lot better for the same money spent.

there going to raise the rate and there nothing we residents can do about it.

[retiredguy123]

I am more than a bit confused by the complaints expressed here. One on hand we are told by some of those who are unhappy that the tables being purchased are too low a quality and for about the same price we could have "better" tables.






Or the tables are fine but the ongoing maintenance is poor. The repair companies are not aligning the pockets and re-doing the rails correctly. This is either because they are incompetent or because they are under contract to not do the job they way the serious players believe it needs to be done.

And there are hundreds of players, including serious ones who have just taken up the game. And that the Villages has a " multi-million dollar investment in billiard rooms" So a multimillion dollars for hundreds of players. That is thousands per person including those serious one who just started playing.


So is the complaint that the Villages is cheap and/or that they spend thousands of dollars per person who plays billiards but does so unwisely? Are they buying the wrong tables, or the tables are fine but the repair and upkeep is poor? Maybe they have wised up and decided not to spend so much money when the serious players are so unhappy with the results. And that is why, as the original poster wrote, there has been no rush to install pool rooms below 44.
I don't know about other sports and games, but I do know a lot about pool rooms. My point is that, having 150 pool tables in 25 rooms requires an expert on equipment selection, management, and maintenance. And, yes, I am certain that, if you hired an expert to manage the pool rooms, the current budget for these rooms would not need to be increased because they are not spending the money wisely. And, this issue has already been addressed by organized billiard players with the people in charge, and those people just do not care. If someone tried to set up and operate a "for profit" billiard room without having any knowledge about the equipment, they would most likely be out of business within a year. It would be like someone opening a restaurant with no restaurant experience or food preparation skills.

[Bogie Shooter]

This thread just becomes more unbelievable...……..

[Goldwingnut]

Do you know the difference between residential and commercial table? Residential tables are adequate for home use where play is hardly active. Commercial tables are made for heavy use everyday Day of the year.

Compared to golf complainers, billiards players are Boy Scouts. Pool halls are fine, they just could be whole lot better for the same money spent.

there going to raise the rate and there nothing we residents can do about it.

I really have no idea the differences between a residential and a commercial table. My pool playing was limited to liberty ports during my time in the Navy and was more focused on the beer and girls that were there. I've never even been in any of the pool rooms at any of the Rec Centers I've been to in the last 5 years. My experience and interest in pool is of little relevance, what is of relevance and interest to me is that there are dissatisfied residents with the current conditions. As I've said, bring the concerns to the PWAC and AAC so they can attempt to address the issue, complaining here is a completely useless act.

With respect to the rates going up, unless the suppliers and contractors lower their rates and the employees will take a pay cut, the cost for running amenities will continue to go up and those costs will have to be covered. There is only so much behind the scenes austerity measures that can be applied before either rates have to go up or services decreased. On the plus side for the residents, the amenity rate can only go up by the CPI annually, regardless of what costs increase, this is also a down-side as the CPI has little relevance to the actual cost increases that are being seen, eventually something will have to give. Nobody is getting rich or their wallets lined on the amenity fee increase, the developer doesn't see a dime of the fees collected north of SR44, it all goes to the SLCDD and VCCDD for the SLAD and RAD funds.

[ColdNoMore]

I think this is a very interesting...and informative thread. :thumbup:


If I weren't interested in it, I would do this...:popcorn:

[Bogie Shooter]

I think this is a very interesting...and informative thread. :thumbup:


If I weren't interested in it, I would do this...:popcorn:

It has been suggested several times that the concerns need to go to boards. A few posters continue to restate the same thing over and over about their frustrations. As also stated several times posting on here will accomplish nothing.
That's what I find unbelievable.
Thanks for telling me what to do, however, I don't need your help.

[Two Bills]

I don't know about other sports and games, but I do know a lot about pool rooms. My point is that, having 150 pool tables in 25 rooms requires an expert on equipment selection, management, and maintenance. And, yes, I am certain that, if you hired an expert to manage the pool rooms, the current budget for these rooms would not need to be increased because they are not spending the money wisely. And, this issue has already been addressed by organized billiard players with the people in charge, and those people just do not care. If someone tried to set up and operate a "for profit" billiard room without having any knowledge about the equipment, they would most likely be out of business within a year. It would be like someone opening a restaurant with no restaurant experience or food preparation skills.

It is virtualy treason to many on TOTV, to have anything but total allegience, support and admiration to all things Villages.
To criticise or query any policy or decision made by 'The Family' or any of the august bodies entrusted with your care, will bring down the wrath of the annointed.
Just as many golfers earlier in the year had the temerity to even suggest that some of the Executive Golf Course greens were even a tad less than perfect, so you have incurred the ire of those, who in many cases, would not know a pool cue from a buffet queue!
Good luck!

[ColdNoMore]

It has been suggested several times that the concerns need to go to boards. A few posters continue to restate the same thing over and over about their frustrations. As also stated several times posting on here will accomplish nothing.
That's what I find unbelievable.
Thanks for telling me what to do, however, I don't need your help.

Au contraire.

There was absolutely nothing in my post, telling you (or anyone else for that matter)..."what to do."

I believe everyone has the 'right' (within site rules)...to do what they want. :oops:

I simply stated that if I was frustrated with a thread, because I thought it was going in circles (and quite frankly, how many threads don't go in circles? :D)...of which I personally find this one interesting and informative. :thumbup:

But if I didn't feel that way...I would simply do this. :ho:

[vintageogauge]

This is getting better than the dog poop topics.

[billlaur]

pretty simple change the table manufacturer to a well know one such as ,Brunswick or Diamond, should not be a problem...…...

[Polar Bear]

It is virtualy treason to many on TOTV, to have anything but total allegience, support and admiration to all things Villages...
Or is it just possible that many Villagers think the pool tables here are just fine?!?

Naaahhh. That can’t be it. :D

[Chi-Town]

Having played in dedicated pool halls I can say that our tables are no match but good enough for rec centers.


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[billlaur]

whats a dedicated pool room????

[Chi-Town]

whats a dedicated pool room????A clip from the movie The Hustler

pool·room

/ˈpo͞olˌro͞om,ˈpo͞olˌro͝om/

noun

NORTH AMERICAN

noun:*pool hall

a commercial establishment where pool or billiard games are played.

The Hustler (2/5) Movie CLIP - I Gotta Hunch, Fat Man (1961) HD - YouTube (https://youtu.be/bpc3TKhS6MU)



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[Northwoods]

I agree with Bogie Shooter... we're beating a dead horse.
I think The Developer provides amenities for "the masses." Not the "serious player." And I don't have a problem with that.
What attracted us to The Villages was the fact that there was so much to do - golf, bocce, clubs, quilting, shuffleboard, swimming, etc. It was an active community.
What I found when I moved here is that I made great friends. That's why I love it here and that's why I stay. I'm a golfer and I know the courses are struggling right now. But I play because I'm having a great time with my friends. If I wanted to play "serious" golf I would play a TPC course offsite. The Villages courses will never be TPC quality courses. I'm OK with that - I enjoy playing here with friends.
If in the future I'm no longer happy here, I will find a place that works or me. I don't expect "the Developer" to "fix" or "do the right thing" for me. They can never fix all the things that people want them to fix.
The Villages offers a lifestyle. It's all there for your review. So you can't do your due diligence and pick The Villages and then expect them to change because you want something different/better.

[Two Bills]

whats a dedicated pool room????

It has been blessed by the local priest, which in my opinion should be stopped, as it gives Catholics an unfair advantage at the tables.:pray:

[billlaur]

et cum spirit tutu o :pray:

[Moderator]

This thread has mor-hed from the original question of the lack of pool tables in the southern section to a discussion of the quality of the tables and/or the maintenance of those tables. The discussion was worthwhile but has devolved to the extent that thenthread is now closed.

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