Evening with The Developer

[JoMar]

Was it just me or was the approx 50 minute presentation much ado about nothing? There wasn't anything in the presentation that wasn't known for months. Would rather have them cancel and reschedule when they had something of substance.

[champion6]

I feel exactly the same way.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Was it just me or was the approx 50 minute presentation much ado about nothing? There wasn't anything in the presentation that wasn't known for months. Would rather have them cancel and reschedule when they had something of substance.


If you live to be 100 and attend every presentation made by the developer, you will never hear what you call "something of substance."

[twoplanekid]

On the other hand, the Morse’s could skip the event. But, I believe they enjoyed the night and are into making The Villages the best retirement community in the U.S.

People continue to be interested in seeing the Morse family in person. Every seat was filled. We loved seeing all of the very young family members on the stage last night.

We should all be kind in our thoughts and believe what Mark said about his and the families devotion to keeping our way of life here exciting and beautiful.

[Jayhawk]

On the other hand, the Morse’s could skip the event. But, I believe they enjoyed the night and are into making The Villages the best retirement community in the U.S.

People continue to be interested in seeing the Morse family in person. Every seat was filled. We loved seeing all of the very young family members on the stage last night.

We should all be kind in our thoughts and believe what Mark said about his and the families devotion to keeping our way of life here exciting and beautiful.

:BigApplause:

[NotGolfer]

On the other hand, the Morse’s could skip the event. But, I believe they enjoyed the night and are into making The Villages the best retirement community in the U.S.

People continue to be interested in seeing the Morse family in person. Every seat was filled. We loved seeing all of the very young family members on the stage last night.

We should all be kind in our thoughts and believe what Mark said about his and the families devotion to keeping our way of life here exciting and beautiful.

We didn't get to attend due to other things going on with us. BUT I so agree. People who come here and enjoy the life-style so often diss the very "hand that feeds them" (so to speak). NOT sure why people are so negative but it doesn't profit them in any sense of the word. We've always enjoyed going to "An Evening With The Developer" and believe the Morse family is doing us a great thing here. Where else can one live, enjoy what's offered and live fairly economically besides?? Thank you TwoPlane for your comments!:thumbup:

[Madelaine Amee]

We don't go, and have never gone, BUT I think it is really important for some to see that there is a human face and now, many human faces, behind the curtain. At one time people used to post that they were frightened that the developer would make his money and move on leaving us to gradually fall into disrepair! Actually being able to see and hear Mr. Morse and his family must be very comforting to some who have that worry. It's a bit like an annual shareholders meeting where the chairman of the board addresses all the shareholders and tells them everything is AOK and keep buying shares in the business.

As for the Morse family, that is a lot of mouths to feed .................. and as I sit here this morning looking out across my beautiful location I am glad to know that there are so many people who have a vested interest in continuing to grow The Villages.

[saratogaman]

We didn't get to attend due to other things going on with us. BUT I so agree. People who come here and enjoy the life-style so often diss the very "hand that feeds them" (so to speak). NOT sure why people are so negative but it doesn't profit them in any sense of the word. We've always enjoyed going to "An Evening With The Developer" and believe the Morse family is doing us a great thing here. Where else can one live, enjoy what's offered and live fairly economically besides?? Thank you TwoPlane for your comments!:thumbup:

You may have that backwards --We are the hands that feed them!"

[New Englander]

On the other hand, the Morse’s could skip the event. But, I believe they enjoyed the night and are into making The Villages the best retirement community in the U.S.

People continue to be interested in seeing the Morse family in person. Every seat was filled. We loved seeing all of the very young family members on the stage last night.

We should all be kind in our thoughts and believe what Mark said about his and the families devotion to keeping our way of life here exciting and beautiful.

I agree with Jayhawk :BigApplause:

[Nucky]

Is there a Video of this event somewhere yet? I would like to see it if possible! Thank's.

[Dan9871]

Is there a Video of this event somewhere yet? I would like to see it if possible! Thank's.

It will be available Saturday on the Village newspaper web site.

[dewilson58]

I'll ask..................


Anything new on the next Town Square???


:popcorn:

[champion6]

I'll ask..................
Anything new on the next Town Square???There ya go ... stirring the pot. An announcement of that magnitude would have been shown on the front page of today's Daily Sun!!!

[dewilson58]

There ya go ... stirring the pot. An announcement of that magnitude would have been shown on the front page of today's Daily Sun!!!




Not stirring..............Did not go to the event and do not take the Day's Sun. Jus ask'n.



Thank you.

[JoMar]

I don't disagree with the any of the posts on how fortunate we are......but, I have gone to the last 5 meetings and there was always something of substance in those meetings so the expectations have been set. They had substance to present but couldn't because they didn't have contracts signed. That was my basis for suggesting the delay, never suggested a cancellation. This most likely will be my last in person attendance since I'm not one of those that needs to see the face.....there are so many places to see all the family (even Megan). Going forward I will allow another couple that have that need to go and have a feel good moment. I will watch it online a few days after and as Mark suggested, continue to read the Daily Sun which had all the information presented the months before.. As an aside, I didn't diss the family, only the event.

[graciegirl]

I don't disagree with the any of the posts on how fortunate we are......but, I have gone to the last 5 meetings and there was always something of substance in those meetings so the expectations have been set. They had substance to present but couldn't because they didn't have contracts signed. That was my basis for suggesting the delay, never suggested a cancellation. This most likely will be my last in person attendance since I'm not one of those that needs to see the face.....there are so many places to see all the family (even Megan). Going forward I will allow another couple that have that need to go and have a feel good moment. I will watch it online a few days after and as Mark suggested, continue to read the Daily Sun which had all the information presented the months before.. As an aside, I didn't diss the family, only the event.

I agree. I also thought that everyone dresses more casual than our family...not sure if that means something or not. Just an observation.

People will like or not like The Morses for reasons that have to do with their own private value system, not on the merits of The Family, IMHO.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I read an article about this event (not in the Daily Sun) and saw they updated news on the organic garden project. I have to say I find that pretty exciting and look forward to seeing quality local-grown organic produce. If the prices are right, I might become a regular customer of their travelling produce stand. If they're too expensive I'll still support the effort, just not as regularly.

It was also good to read that they're making progress on the golf cart/pedestrian bridges in the "southside" of the Villages, to connect with the rest of it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I agree. I also thought that everyone dresses more casual than our family...not sure if that means something or not. Just an observation.

People will like or not like The Morses for reasons that have to do with their own private value system, not on the merits of The Family, IMHO.

It probably means you're overdressed.

[russtcc]

Was there any discussion of more championship golf courses south of 44?

[Nucky]

It will be available Saturday on the Village newspaper web site.

Thanks Dan.

[Velvet]

Was this a dinner and dance occasion? Thinking of bringing our formal attire for future events.

[dblwyr]

Thank you and kudos to you for the positive comment! Gratitude is so much better than complaining about doing a good thing.

[graciegirl]

Was this a dinner and dance occasion? Thinking of bringing our formal attire for future events.

No. What is amusing to many is the fact that twice Mark Morse wore a suit during this event, (the same suit) that he said jokingly that his sisters made him wear. He had in the past and again now dressed very casually. I like Mark Morse. He is not pretentious and he is brilliant.

It is hard to dress more casual than Villagers do most of the time. Only new Villagers wear suits and ties and high heels and pearls. I rather like being casual.

[Bogie Shooter]

You may have that backwards --We are the hands that feed them!"

You have a choice.

[manaboutown]

"It is hard to dress more casual than Villagers do most of the time. Only new Villagers wear suits and ties and high heels and pearls. I rather like being casual."



Well dressed villagers are those who wear clean and pressed T-shirts and shorts and clean sneakers with laundered white socks. Seen any lately?

Actually that seems to be the case all over the country anymore.

[JoMar]

Was there any discussion of more championship golf courses south of 44?

Only an innuendo that there will be champ courses. We know where one will be, that was announced months ago. There was also no discussion about a Town Square or Circle or other concept. They just aren't ready to put that stuff out there.

[JoMar]

I read an article about this event (not in the Daily Sun) and saw they updated news on the organic garden project. I have to say I find that pretty exciting and look forward to seeing quality local-grown organic produce. If the prices are right, I might become a regular customer of their travelling produce stand. If they're too expensive I'll still support the effort, just not as regularly.

It was also good to read that they're making progress on the golf cart/pedestrian bridges in the "southside" of the Villages, to connect with the rest of it.

There was a one hour plus presentation on The Grown at Rohan last month. Take away was it will be more expensive than the Publix's of the world but the Publix's of the world may sell the products (they are talking), the cost of the product will be higher but will be healthier and tastier and you can buy what you need not prepackaged quantity so your waste will be less, local restaurants will use the product and will have that identified on their menu's (also in the talking stage) and I assume will be higher than the normal Sysco veggies they buy. This is not a project just for The Villages, but will be a business that they expect to reach far beyond us. I recall they said that one acre of product grown through this process equals 10 acres of product grown through conventional farming. It is exciting and we are looking forward to it. None of that was mentioned last nigh, that was all at the Rohan presentation.

[champion6]

Did anyone else notice this name change? -- Mark's sister, Tracy, who is VP of TV Design Division, has been known as Tracy Matthews. She is now Tracy Morse. This reference is in the Daily Sun and in the May Vmail video. Apparently, husband Don is now her ex-husband.

[New Englander]

Did anyone else notice this name change? -- Mark's sister, Tracy, who is VP of TV Design Division, has been known as Tracy Matthews. She is now Tracy Morse. This reference is in the Daily Sun and in the May Vmail video. Apparently, husband Don is now her ex-husband.

Well, how do I get in touch with her to let her know I'm available?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Did anyone else notice this name change? -- Mark's sister, Tracy, who is VP of TV Design Division, has been known as Tracy Matthews. She is now Tracy Morse. This reference is in the Daily Sun and in the May Vmail video. Apparently, husband Don is now her ex-husband.

Is there any reference to the divorce? A lot of married women keep their maiden names, or switch back if it's professionally beneficial for them to do so. Also some divorced women keep their married names for similar reasons, and sometimes just because they like the combo of first/last better than their maiden names.

[vintageogauge]

My mother had 3 daughters and 8 son-in-laws, no one knew what my sisters last names were from year to year.

[BobnBev]

Did anyone else notice this name change? -- Mark's sister, Tracy, who is VP of TV Design Division, has been known as Tracy Matthews. She is now Tracy Morse. This reference is in the Daily Sun and in the May Vmail video. Apparently, husband Don is now her ex-husband.

Ahhhh, the Olympic sport of "Jumping to conclusions" is alive and well in TV. :boom:

[dewilson58]

Ahhhh, the Olympic sport of "Jumping to conclusions" is alive and well in TV. :boom:




Don't fall the bait & hook.


:)

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Well, how do I get in touch with her to let her know I'm available?


Watch out.

With that remark, you may start getting more Private Messages than you can handle!
:a040:

[BobnBev]

Don't fall the bait & hook.


:)

I hear ya.

[OlifOlif]

Because I am here, I feel that I must bow down to them all of the time! If not, I will return back to where it's cold, and they are ever present. I "may" tolorate the cold, but they must be far from me!

That is it!!

[CFrance]

Is there any reference to the divorce? A lot of married women keep their maiden names, or switch back if it's professionally beneficial for them to do so. Also some divorced women keep their married names for similar reasons, and sometimes just because they like the combo of first/last better than their maiden names.
Right. And I know of a famous author whose husband (a relatively unknown/unpublished poet) changed his last name to hers due to the public recognition of her name.


It's quite possible Tracey Matthews thinks it would be better to be known as a Morse. The name does open doors around Florida.

[Judy n Ron]

Not sure I understand all the adoration of this family. They are business people, not friends. I need some kool aid....

[graciegirl]

Not sure I understand all the adoration of this family. They are business people, not friends. I need some kool aid....

I say. Why NOT? They are living the American Dream. They ARE very wealthy and they are NOT pretentious. They worked hard and they did things right. Their good business decisions also helped other people who work for them to survive and prosper and made one of the poorest counties in Florida prosper. They were just ordinary people growing up the Upper Peninsula of Michigan running a small store with a bakery until Mark Morse's father Gary decided to help his dad Harold Schwartz with the trailer park.

It could have failed time and time again but it didn't and they risked their own money to build and they could have done it much less beautifully.

Why NOT think well of them? I am glad I got to be a part of the fun to live here and watch it grow. I see it as far more than money.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I say. Why NOT? They are living the American Dream. They ARE very wealthy and they are NOT pretentious. They worked hard and they did things right. Their good business decisions also helped other people who work for them to survive and prosper and made one of the poorest counties in Florida prosper. They were just ordinary people growing up the Upper Peninsula of Michigan running a small store with a bakery until Mark Morse's father Gary decided to help his dad Harold Schwartz with the trailer park.

It could have failed time and time again but it didn't and they risked their own money to build and they could have done it much less beautifully.

Why NOT think well of them? I am glad I got to be a part of the fun to live here and watch it grow. I see it as far more than money.


My grandparents had a similar success story on a smaller scale, and never needed publicity and advertisements or sycophants to draw accolades. In fact my grandfather would turn over in his grave if heaven ever saw me using his name to promote ANYTHING at all, ever. It is just - dark, and unattractive.

[chrisinva]

Completely agree - waste of time. No new info, just propaganda about how great & responsive the Morse family is. We're newbies, full timers, & thought it would be beneficial to learn about our new home, our new community, & the future. Baloney!

Will not wait in line for thier free tickets ever again.

[larimor]

I thought the content was ok even if some of the details were already known. It seemed a bit disorganized and casual as though he was sometimes just trying to fill time. I personally don't stay on top of things so the information was good for me.

However, the quality of the stream was extremely poor. It may have sounded good in the auditorium, but the stream volume was over driven and did not play well on the TV. As a video tech myself I don't see why it was not broadcast in at least 720p 16x9 format. That, and pay attention to the audio that is in the stream. If it's channel 2 causing the problem, stream it on YouTube or some other platform.

[graciegirl]

My grandparents had a similar success story on a smaller scale, and never needed publicity and advertisements or sycophants to draw accolades. In fact my grandfather would turn over in his grave if heaven ever saw me using his name to promote ANYTHING at all, ever. It is just - dark, and unattractive.

I don't understand. The Villages is promoted in the same way as any other sellable goods is promoted. If my grandfather was a butcher he would advertise his pork chops and sausages to sell. He would be pleased that cousin George worked for him and that he made money and fed people.

I am not understanding what "is dark and unattractive".

[Velvet]

Just a personal note; from my parents and my uncle who are completely unrelated to the Morse family. Harold Schwartz (if that is the grandfather we are talking about) was a dear man, a great friend, and a true visionary. My family is Christian and he was Jewish but that was never a problem. Mr. Schwartz was good to my family, he was welcoming, he wanted them to be happy, especially in their old age. When he made a lot of money he continued to be the same person he was before. In today’s world, with money as such a main drive, how many people can we say are like Mr Schwartz? If he had been my grandfather, I would have been proud of him too.

[JoMar]

Not sure I understand all the adoration of this family. They are business people, not friends. I need some kool aid....

I assume you live here and also took a sip of the kool aid or you wouldn't be here. Of course they are business people, and successful ones and we all benefit from the risks they take, their development skill and what the diversity of fun they provide. Is it perfect, no......but still better than anyplace else we all have looked at or we wouldn't be here. Not sure adoration is the right word but definitely respect and gratitude is due.

[Bogie Shooter]

Completely agree - waste of time. No new info, just propaganda about how great & responsive the Morse family is. We're newbies, full timers, & thought it would be beneficial to learn about our new home, our new community, & the future. Baloney!

Will not wait in line for thier free tickets ever again.
Welcome to The Villages...….otherwise what do you think????

[Wayne S. Smith]

No golf courses?

[JoMar]

My grandparents had a similar success story on a smaller scale, and never needed publicity and advertisements or sycophants to draw accolades. In fact my grandfather would turn over in his grave if heaven ever saw me using his name to promote ANYTHING at all, ever. It is just - dark, and unattractive.

Different times, different place, different business. If he received accolades it's because he received publicity, even if it was word of mouth. All business owners work hard to create a legacy and, unless your grandparents didn't need an income, do what is necessary to increase their revenue. You do or did the same.....unless you inherited a lot of money.

[Barefoot]

Of course they are business people, and successful ones and we all benefit from the risks they take, their development skill and what the diversity of fun they provide. Is it perfect, no......but still better than anyplace else we all have looked at or we wouldn't be here. Not sure adoration is the right word but definitely respect and gratitude is due.

I agree that we owe the Developers respect and gratitude for taking the risks and having the vision to make this an extremely successful and fun retirement community.

[Pam Holden]

I would like to email Mark Morse directly but he seems to be very insulated. Where is his office? How can I email him?

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Not sure I understand all the adoration of this family. They are business people, not friends. I need some kool aid....

My grandparents had a similar success story on a smaller scale, and never needed publicity and advertisements or sycophants to draw accolades. In fact my grandfather would turn over in his grave if heaven ever saw me using his name to promote ANYTHING at all, ever. It is just - dark, and unattractive.

Completely agree - waste of time. No new info, just propaganda about how great & responsive the Morse family is. We're newbies, full timers, & thought it would be beneficial to learn about our new home, our new community, & the future. Baloney!

Will not wait in line for thier free tickets ever again.

Just a personal note; from my parents and my uncle who are completely unrelated to the Morse family. Harold Schwartz (if that is the grandfather we are talking about) was a dear man, a great friend, and a true visionary. My family is Christian and he was Jewish but that was never a problem. Mr. Schwartz was good to my family, he was welcoming, he wanted them to be happy, especially in their old age. When he made a lot of money he continued to be the same person he was before. In today’s world, with money as such a main drive, how many people can we say are like Mr Schwartz? If he had been my grandfather, I would have been proud of him too.

I agree that we owe the Developers respect and gratitude for taking the risks and having the vision to make this an extremely successful and fun retirement community.


I do not understand this "blind" adoration some sychophants have for the Morses either. Yes -- they are business people; we have paid for each and every thing we have here and we will continue to pay. There is no free ride but we do have the advantage of a nice community and in taking part in many activities.

Certainly, no new "meaty" information is ever given at these presentations. I think they do this because they think it will simply "calm the savage beasts" for a while. Mark Morse, as "the developer" should be ashamed of himself for the way he looked at the presentation. He looked like a panhandling vagrant in front of a Goodwill store!

Years ago, from speaking with a long-time Villages' employee who still works here, I was told that Mr. Schwartz was a real, down-to-earth human being. He cared about his employees and made sure he was visible to all of them. He treated them like co-workers, would mingle with the residents at the Orange Blossom pool, and was favorite among everyone.

Enter the next generations . . . EVERYTHING has changed. No one is visible any longer and never will be. This is not the vision Harold Schwartz had. The new generation was handed a thriving business on a silver platter, although they are successful in making it grow. The Villages is strictly a business proposition now and residents and would-be buyers can take it or leave it. That's just how it is. I respect the Morses, et al, for being business people, however, show gratitude? How and why? We are paying for what we have.

:spoken:

[drcar]

It was my third event, no, not much in the line of new information came out BUT I chose to go, no cost. I enjoy the casual attire, he is a villager after all. I have met several of the family and I have found them to be down to earth and genuine. As far as working for the villages, I have found it to far more friendly then everywhere else I have worked. They have started and orientation breakfast for both new and current employees, and no there was not a charge. The family was there talking and mingling with the employees. So folks, this is not Pandora, but it is where I CHOSE to live and continue to do so.

[Bogie Shooter]

Hard to compare Mr. Swartz running a little trailer park (God bless his soul) with the enterprise of today.

[CFrance]

Hard to compare Mr. Swartz running a little trailer park (God bless his soul) with the enterprise of today.
I could be wrong, but do I remember that Mr. Swartz's vision was in financial trouble when Gary Morse came down and rescued it?

[Midnight Cowgirl]

I could be wrong, but do I remember that Mr. Swartz's vision was in financial trouble when Gary Morse came down and rescued it?


I think you are correct about the financial things, and that is why Mr. Schwartz brought in his son to help out, which he certainly did.

But without Harold Schwartz's vision, I think we would be looking at a lot of vacant land and a horrible Wildwood slum.

[dewilson58]

It's pretty simple............If someone wants to adore a family, it's their right and their wishes and their opinion.



They don't need to justify or explain to others who don't understand (as defined) blind adoration.



A lot of people don't like cows, cowgirls, Texas BBQ, NYC pizza, dog poop, snowbirds or white crosses. People don't need to justify their opinions.


Funny how some just don't understand.


Going back to sleep.




Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.




:1rotfl:

[anothersteve]

It's pretty simple............If someone wants to adore a family, it's their right and their wishes and their opinion.



They don't need to justify or explain to others who don't understand (as defined) blind adoration.



A lot of people don't like cows, cowgirls, Texas BBQ, NYC pizza, dog poop, snowbirds or white crosses. People don't need to justify their opinions.


Funny how some just don't understand.


Going back to sleep.h




Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.




:1rotfl:

How could anyone not like NY pizza!
Steve

[fw102807]

People don't need to justify their opinions

:bigbow:

[JoMar]

I do not understand this "blind" adoration some sychophants have for the Morses either. Yes -- they are business people; we have paid for each and every thing we have here and we will continue to pay. There is no free ride but we do have the advantage of a nice community and in taking part in many activities.

Certainly, no new "meaty" information is ever given at these presentations. I think they do this because they think it will simply "calm the savage beasts" for a while. Mark Morse, as "the developer" should be ashamed of himself for the way he looked at the presentation. He looked like a panhandling vagrant in front of a Goodwill store!

Years ago, from speaking with a long-time Villages' employee who still works here, I was told that Mr. Schwartz was a real, down-to-earth human being. He cared about his employees and made sure he was visible to all of them. He treated them like co-workers, would mingle with the residents at the Orange Blossom pool, and was favorite among everyone.

Enter the next generations . . . EVERYTHING has changed. No one is visible any longer and never will be. This is not the vision Harold Schwartz had. The new generation was handed a thriving business on a silver platter, although they are successful in making it grow. The Villages is strictly a business proposition now and residents and would-be buyers can take it or leave it. That's just how it is. I respect the Morses, et al, for being business people, however, show gratitude? How and why? We are paying for what we have.

:spoken:

Which is what this business is EVERYWHERE, except here you have so, so, so much more than anywhere else and get it for more than a reasonable cost. Did you even investigate other communities and the HOA fees/amenities ratio? You evidently don't understand what it takes to develop a place like this....Harold Schwartz did which is why he asked Gary move here (1983) and manage the 386 Orange Blossoms Gardens (now the Historical Section) and work with him to implement his vision. From 2003 (when Harold died) Gary and family continued with high investment and risk and the they are due every dollar of ROI that they get. What you have today is that vision and if having someone implement that vision doesn't deserve your gratitude I have great sorrow for you. If you don't feel gratitude for the lifestyle you have here I feel sorry for you. If you extend your disdain to all successful people I feel sorry for you. EOR

[Midnight Cowgirl]

It's pretty simple............If someone wants to adore a family, it's their right and their wishes and their opinion.

They don't need to justify or explain to others who don't understand (as defined) blind adoration.

A lot of people don't like cows, cowgirls, Texas BBQ, NYC pizza, dog poop, snowbirds or white crosses. People don't need to justify their opinions.

Funny how some just don't understand.

Going back to sleep.


BTW -- I do get it. Understand it? Well -- I equate this blind adoration with a type of brown nosing, hoping that the right people will notice. I understand why people do it.

I didn't ask anyone to justify it and as you said, everyone is welcome to their opinion. I'm in agreement with you there.

[JoMar]

BTW -- I do get it. Understand it? Well -- I equate this blind adoration with a type of brown nosing, hoping that the right people will notice. I understand why people do it.

I didn't ask anyone to justify it and as you said, everyone is welcome to their opinion. I'm in agreement with you there.

Wow....speechless. You equate grateful with adoration.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Which is what this business is EVERYWHERE, except here you have so, so, so much more than anywhere else and get it for more than a reasonable cost. Did you even investigate other communities and the HOA fees/amenities ratio? You evidently don't understand what it takes to develop a place like this....Harold Schwartz did which is why he asked Gary move here (1983) and manage the 386 Orange Blossoms Gardens (now the Historical Section) and work with him to implement his vision. From 2003 (when Harold died) Gary and family continued with high investment and risk and the they are due every dollar of ROI that they get. What you have today is that vision and if having someone implement that vision doesn't deserve your gratitude I have great sorrow for you. If you don't feel gratitude for the lifestyle you have here I feel sorry for you. If you extend your disdain to all successful people I feel sorry for you. EOR


Whoa!

Gratitude? I simply said that we are paying for what we have here and will continue to pay for everything.

I am well aware of many other adult communities and what they cost and what they offer. I would even venture to say that I am better versed in that than you might be from having lived in a number of different places and looked at many places.

I didn't say that the family hasn't worked hard for what they have and I don't begrudge them one cent of what they've earned. I do feel that once in a while they could be more involved in some things and throw the dog a bone, but that's beside the point.

I didn't say that TV was a horrible place; it's quite the opposite. I didn't say that what we have here isn't worth it. There is no disdain on my part. Where did you get that??? Please don't read something into what I've said when it simply isn't there. I'm sorry you are so angry.

[graciegirl]

Whoa!

Gratitude? I simply said that we are paying for what we have here and will continue to pay for everything.

I am well aware of many other adult communities and what they cost and what they offer. I would even venture to say that I am better versed in that than you might be from having lived in a number of different places and looked at many places.

I didn't say that the family hasn't worked hard for what they have and I don't begrudge them one cent of what they've earned. I do feel that once in a while they could be more involved in some things and throw the dog a bone, but that's beside the point.

I didn't say that TV was a horrible place; it's quite the opposite. I didn't say that what we have here isn't worth it. There is no disdain on my part. Where did you get that??? Please don't read something into what I've said when it simply isn't there. I'm sorry you are so angry.

I am wondering about what things you think that the Morse Clan "should" do? I am not sure what bone the dog wants?

When I go into one of the recreation centers and see all of the lovely custom upholstered furniture and the lovely accessories and the card chairs are not the chintzy kind but mostly beautiful upholstered and heavy. it makes me happy. I feel that we all live like the Vanderbilts and the Upper Class lived in their hey-day. There are beautiful flowers and landscaping all around and trash is never left to lie around, the common areas are cared for and the buildings regularly painted and cleaned...and when there was major water from Hurricane Irma, they flooded their own golf courses to protect our homes. For thirteen years I have lived here and the Morses have done very few public appearances. They do not seem to seek or need to be applauded. I have no need for them to contribute to my favorite charity, and they would never satisfy anyone if they did. They are ordinary people from the middle part of the country.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Different times, different place, different business. If he received accolades it's because he received publicity, even if it was word of mouth. All business owners work hard to create a legacy and, unless your grandparents didn't need an income, do what is necessary to increase their revenue. You do or did the same.....unless you inherited a lot of money.

My grandfather was a dentist. But his patients didn't go out of their way to insert his name and his virtues into every conversation that might possibly be related, even remotely, to dentistry, or the town he lived in, or the town he worked in, or the car he drove, or the cigar he smoked, etc. etc. That would've been considered somewhat obsessive, and a little creepy.

There are people here who go out of their way to extol the virtues of the Morse Family, and interject accolades as such into posts that might involve the Morses, but not really be about them. When people go through the trouble of turning any thread that *involves* the Morses into a post *about* the Morses, it borders on the obsessive, which is a little creepy.

[dewilson58]

My grandfather was a dentist. But his patients didn't go out of their way to insert his name and his virtues into every conversation that might possibly be related, even remotely, to dentistry, or the town he lived in, or the town he worked in, or the car he drove, or the cigar he smoked, etc. etc. That would've been considered somewhat obsessive, and a little creepy.

There are people here who go out of their way to extol the virtues of the Morse Family, and interject accolades as such into posts that might involve the Morses, but not really be about them. When people go through the trouble of turning any thread that *involves* the Morses into a post *about* the Morses, it borders on the obsessive, which is a little creepy.




That's random. Not even apples and oranges. Not sure how to even figure out the comparison..........even though I do wonder what cigar he smoked.

[EdFNJ]

IBut without Harold Schwartz's vision, I think we would be looking at a lot of vacant land and a horrible Wildwood slum. We might have been looking at Disney. I read somewhere Walt was looking at this area way before Mr Schwartz. I think it was rejected because it wasn't at a "crossroads" of transportation. I believe the article was in the Happy News a while back. Don't remember exactly ... maybe it is all a hallucination. Wife read it also.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Wow....speechless. You equate grateful with adoration.


Now, kindly tell me exactly where did you read I said that??!?

Are you telling me I said that previously . . . when I didn't? :shrug:
Some people may feel that way but I certainly don't!

[graciegirl]

Some people like Hollywood stars and others like sports figures and sometimes I think they give THEM all kinds of virtues and accolades they don't deserve for just being physically beautiful and saying lines and pretending to be someone else or because they jump and run and throw better when two similar groups vie for superiority in a contest that really doesn't better the world or amount to a hill of beans when it is all said and done.

I remember when I first came here I thought there must be catch or conspiracy here. I wondered why this place didn't have a mayor and the usual kind of city government. I wondered who was making big on us.

I like how it is run. I doubt that other people would be able to pull it off and they would be greedy and selfish.

I am a fan and I wasn't born yesterday.

Y'all may turn into a fan too when you have lived here as long as many of us have.

[Moderator]

The topic is the "Evening with the Developer" presentation. The discussion has veered off into a predictable love 'em or hate 'em debate on the Morse family.

Please keep your posts directed at the topic and not each other or the thread will be closed.

Moderator

[Bogie Shooter]

I think you are correct about the financial things, and that is why Mr. Schwartz brought in his son to help out, which he certainly did.

But without Harold Schwartz's vision, I think we would be looking at a lot of vacant land and a horrible Wildwood slum.

The good people of Wildwood will take issue with this very derogatory statement.

[dewilson58]

I've never been to, "An Evening ............. ", but there are people who go, people who enjoy &/or people who are interested................and the Morse family takes the time to have these Evenings.


People who go don't need to explain/justify WHY?.


The presented information is never enough.


Each Morse generation will be different than the prior (as with all families) and will bring different ideas.


Labels are funny: Adoration, Gratitude, Brown Nosing, Respect.


:ho:

[fw102807]

What would you expect from evening with the developer except a discussion of what they have accomplished and what they plan to do? Just because it was old news to you does not mean that it wasn't new to others. While some don't understand the "adoration" I do not understand the resentment. They run a highly successful business that many people benefit from including themselves. They never promised anyone utopia just a good place to live.

[dewilson58]

Does anyone remember which Morse generation started "Evening with the Developer" ?????




Just wondering who (or is it whom) started these events.




Thanks

[vintageogauge]

They are building so much so fast that it's hard to remember the names of all the new villages and rec. areas. Did you read about all of the amenities at Riverbend opening at the end of the month, what is beach tennis? This rec. center is a great addition to the southern villages and I can't wait to see it officially open.

[photo1902]

They are building so much so fast that it's hard to remember the names of all the new villages and rec. areas. Did you read about all of the amenities at Riverbend opening at the end of the month, what is beach tennis? This rec. center is a great addition to the southern villages and I can't wait to see it officially open.

Beach tennis is fun. Think of it as badminton, except using a ball and wooden paddles.

[JoMar]

Whoa!

Gratitude? I simply said that we are paying for what we have here and will continue to pay for everything.

I am well aware of many other adult communities and what they cost and what they offer. I would even venture to say that I am better versed in that than you might be from having lived in a number of different places and looked at many places.

I didn't say that the family hasn't worked hard for what they have and I don't begrudge them one cent of what they've earned. I do feel that once in a while they could be more involved in some things and throw the dog a bone, but that's beside the point.



I didn't say that TV was a horrible place; it's quite the opposite. I didn't say that what we have here isn't worth it. There is no disdain on my part. Where did you get that??? Please don't read something into what I've said when it simply isn't there. I'm sorry you are so angry.

Not angry, just disappointed with the rhetoric...accusing residents of having blind adoration, being sychophants, judging Mark as a panhandling vagrant (there was a lot of negative comments when he wore a suit) and saying they were handed this place on a silver platter then contradict yourself by saying you didn't say they didn't work hard for their money....those are a couple things that were said that I have disdain for and where it came from. Then, you don't know me but still take the position that you know more than I about these communities. Maybe you do, maybe you don't but why? You can have the last word, I'm sorry I stated this thread and will now go sit in the corner.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Does anyone remember which Morse generation started "Evening with the Developer" ?????

Just wondering who (or is it whom) started these events.

Thanks


I believe it was Gary Morse who started that years ago, but I could be mistaken.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

The good people of Wildwood will take issue with this very derogatory statement.


The developer has taken over much of Wldwood and turned it into part of The Villages. Due to this having happened, it has created jobs, businesses and other places to live outside of TV, but within Wildwood.

My statement is not derogatory; it is based on and is pure fact. If TV never existed Wildwood would be a slum, i.e., no jobs, no growth and extreme poverty.

I defy you to say that is not true. Yes -- thank heaven for what the developer has done!

[Midnight Cowgirl]

I am wondering about what things you think that the Morse Clan "should" do? I am not sure what bone the dog wants?

When I go into one of the recreation centers and see all of the lovely custom upholstered furniture and the lovely accessories and the card chairs are not the chintzy kind but mostly beautiful upholstered and heavy. it makes me happy. I feel that we all live like the Vanderbilts and the Upper Class lived in their hey-day. There are beautiful flowers and landscaping all around and trash is never left to lie around, the common areas are cared for and the buildings regularly painted and cleaned...and when there was major water from Hurricane Irma, they flooded their own golf courses to protect our homes. For thirteen years I have lived here and the Morses have done very few public appearances. They do not seem to seek or need to be applauded. I have no need for them to contribute to my favorite charity, and they would never satisfy anyone if they did. They are ordinary people from the middle part of the country.



From what you've said in your comment, it seems the things that most impress you are what I refer to as "eye candy" -- the decor and furnishings in rec centers and the upscale quality which you equate with what the "Vanderbilts and an Upper Class" might have. I think that's stretching it but nevertheless, while lovely and impressive, I've always thought these things were done mainly for attracting and impressing would-be new residents, i.e., potential buyers. I will include all the wonderful flower displays which are changed seasonally in that, as well. As residents, we are very fortunate to have these things because we have the full enjoyment of these things all the time, but I truly believe it is a very clever marketing move.

I think An Evening with the Developer is a joke. He doesn't touch on things that are important to residents and it's as though all it is, is his annual cameo appearance. I think he should do this quarterly and respond to suggestions and complaints of the residents. If he would meet with residents of even combined districts and hold Q & A type meetings, that would be great, but of course, that's wishful thinking and will never happen.

I do believe he and the others in the family should be more visible. Most residents wouldn't know any of them if they fell over them, but that doesn't seem to be a concern. No, they don't need to be applauded or seek applause, but it's not because they are humble. This is their business and the bottom line is they're in it to make money and don't care about spreading goodwill. And no -- they are not ordinary people; we -- the residents are the ordinary people!

What do I think the Morses "should" do? I think all along, they should have taken a proactive position in the sinkhole issues in Calument Grove. My heart goes out to the residents there; they have suffered far too long without much help. I think the fact that residents from certain geographical areas only must pay for the Morse bridge repair is ridiculous and unfair. The road is owned by the county and the land is owned by the Morses. And only specific residents have to pay for this repair when millions of people from parts unknown use this bridge every day? And then there was the tree incident a few years ago -- the trees which were mysteriously chopped down by a resident's landscaper. The Morses need to step up to the plate and be more involved and more attentive to serious issues within The Villages, instead of ignoring problems and turning the other cheek.

[Topspinmo]

From what you've said in your comment, it seems the things that most impress you are what I refer to as "eye candy" -- the decor and furnishings in rec centers and the upscale quality which you equate with what the "Vanderbilts and an Upper Class" might have. I think that's stretching it but nevertheless, while lovely and impressive, I've always thought these things were done mainly for attracting and impressing would-be new residents, i.e., potential buyers. I will include all the wonderful flower displays which are changed seasonally in that, as well. As residents, we are very fortunate to have these things because we have the full enjoyment of these things all the time, but I truly believe it is a very clever marketing move.

I think An Evening with the Developer is a joke. He doesn't touch on things that are important to residents and it's as though all it is, is his annual cameo appearance. I think he should do this quarterly and respond to suggestions and complaints of the residents. If he would meet with residents of even combined districts and hold Q & A type meetings, that would be great, but of course, that's wishful thinking and will never happen.

I do believe he and the others in the family should be more visible. Most residents wouldn't know any of them if they fell over them, but that doesn't seem to be a concern. No, they don't need to be applauded or seek applause, but it's not because they are humble. This is their business and the bottom line is they're in it to make money and don't care about spreading goodwill. And no -- they are not ordinary people; we -- the residents are the ordinary people!

What do I think the Morses "should" do? I think all along, they should have taken a proactive position in the sinkhole issues in Calument Grove. My heart goes out to the residents there; they have suffered far too long without much help. I think the fact that residents from certain geographical areas only must pay for the Morse bridge repair is ridiculous and unfair. The road is owned by the county and the land is owned by the Morses. And only specific residents have to pay for this repair when millions of people from parts unknown use this bridge every day? And then there was the tree incident a few years ago -- the trees which were mysteriously chopped down by a resident's landscaper. The Morses need to step up to the plate and be more involved and more attentive to serious issues within The Villages, instead of ignoring problems and turning the other cheek.

:bigbow:

[Bogie Shooter]

I believe it was Gary Morse who started that years ago, but I could be mistaken.

This is just a guess, right?

[Bogie Shooter]

The developer has taken over much of Wldwood and turned it into part of The Villages. Due to this having happened, it has created jobs, businesses and other places to live outside of TV, but within Wildwood.

My statement is not derogatory; it is based on and is pure fact. If TV never existed Wildwood would be a slum, i.e., no jobs, no growth and extreme poverty.

I defy you to say that is not true. Yes -- thank heaven for what the developer has done!
I cannot say it is not true, anymore, than you can say it is true. And it was derogatory...………………
Actually Wildwood annexed what the Developer has created around Wildwood. He never took over any of Wildwood.

[Bogie Shooter]

Not angry, just disappointed with the rhetoric...accusing residents of having blind adoration, being sychophants, judging Mark as a panhandling vagrant (there was a lot of negative comments when he wore a suit) and saying they were handed this place on a silver platter then contradict yourself by saying you didn't say they didn't work hard for their money....those are a couple things that were said that I have disdain for and where it came from. Then, you don't know me but still take the position that you know more than I about these communities. Maybe you do, maybe you don't but why? You can have the last word, I'm sorry I stated this thread and will now go sit in the corner.
I agree except; going and sitting in the corner.....

[dewilson58]

The developer has taken over much of Wldwood and turned it into part of The Villages. Due to this having happened, it has created jobs, businesses and other places to live outside of TV, but within Wildwood.

My statement is not derogatory; it is based on and is pure fact. If TV never existed Wildwood would be a slum, i.e., no jobs, no growth and extreme poverty.

I defy you to say that is not true. Yes -- thank heaven for what the developer has done!




Actually, Wildwood expanded as Morses purchased land.


Very derogatory.


Not true.




Now that we have facts on the table...........An Evening with the Developer appears to be very popular and well attended. Part of it is new information, part of it is a review of history and part of it is to meet the family. Appears to me the meetings are working.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

I believe it was Gary Morse who started that years ago, but I could be mistaken.

This is just a guess, right?


I think my statement above is pretty clear in an attempt to be helpful. Is there some problem?

Do you have anything of value to offer???

[Midnight Cowgirl]

I cannot say it is not true, anymore, than you can say it is true. And it was derogatory...………………
Actually Wildwood annexed what the Developer has created around Wildwood. He never took over any of Wildwood.


Well, I can say that what I've previously said about Wildwood is true. I have been in Florida for many years and until TV came into existence, Wildwood was always a very poor town.
I know what Wildwood was and know what it has become. I am familiar with its transformation.
The Villages has given Wildwood a facelift, a life and a future because of the mere existence of The Villages. THAT is a fact.

I don't understand why you are nitpicking at and dissecting my words. I'm not writing a college thesis; I am making a comment.
Whether you choose to use the word annexed or another similar synonym, the fact remains that TV is now what was part of Wildwood.

And I will state for the third time . . . If not for the development of The Villages, Wildwood would be a slum today.
THAT is not a derogatory statement and thankfully is not the case.

[photo1902]

So how many more posts are you going to insert “Wildwood” and “Slum” in, before you feel you’ve made your point.

Moderator: time to shut this thread down.

[Goldwingnut]

From what you've said in your comment, it seems the things that most impress you are what I refer to as "eye candy" -- the decor and furnishings in rec centers and the upscale quality which you equate with what the "Vanderbilts and an Upper Class" might have. I think that's stretching it but nevertheless, while lovely and impressive, I've always thought these things were done mainly for attracting and impressing would-be new residents, i.e., potential buyers. I will include all the wonderful flower displays which are changed seasonally in that, as well. As residents, we are very fortunate to have these things because we have the full enjoyment of these things all the time, but I truly believe it is a very clever marketing move.

I think An Evening with the Developer is a joke. He doesn't touch on things that are important to residents and it's as though all it is, is his annual cameo appearance. I think he should do this quarterly and respond to suggestions and complaints of the residents. If he would meet with residents of even combined districts and hold Q & A type meetings, that would be great, but of course, that's wishful thinking and will never happen.

I do believe he and the others in the family should be more visible. Most residents wouldn't know any of them if they fell over them, but that doesn't seem to be a concern. No, they don't need to be applauded or seek applause, but it's not because they are humble. This is their business and the bottom line is they're in it to make money and don't care about spreading goodwill. And no -- they are not ordinary people; we -- the residents are the ordinary people!

What do I think the Morses "should" do? I think all along, they should have taken a proactive position in the sinkhole issues in Calument Grove. My heart goes out to the residents there; they have suffered far too long without much help. I think the fact that residents from certain geographical areas only must pay for the Morse bridge repair is ridiculous and unfair. The road is owned by the county and the land is owned by the Morses. And only specific residents have to pay for this repair when millions of people from parts unknown use this bridge every day? And then there was the tree incident a few years ago -- the trees which were mysteriously chopped down by a resident's landscaper. The Morses need to step up to the plate and be more involved and more attentive to serious issues within The Villages, instead of ignoring problems and turning the other cheek.

The house you built 20 years ago was sound and solid, you sold it long ago and have no financial interest, ownership rights, or ongoing responsibility in it, you receive a letter from the current owner who says the roof is leaking and they want you to pay for repairing it because you are now somehow responsible for it and have money, how do you respond? I'm not unsympathetic to the plight of the residents of this community. The issue isn't that the Developer is responsible, the issue is that the politicians running Marion county have refused to do their jobs and take care of the issues of the residents in their county.

My guess is most would toss the letter in the trash as foolish nonsense. How is the Calumet Grove sinkhole any different? Because the Developer is still around and is successful they should pay for everything that happens here in perpetuity, absolutely ridiculous.

Once again, as has been said many times, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the bridge that crosses the lake, there never has been. It is an erosion issue on the banks of the man-made island that was constructed around the center pilings. The bridge is fine and would continue to be fine even if the lake completely reclaimed the entire island. You demonstrate a lack an understanding of the structure and agreements in place that operates The Villages and the CDDs, while I am sure the residents of CDD4 would love to share the ongoing costs they are incurring because of the sink hole problem with all the other CDDs, that simply won't happen because no inter-local government agreement exist to allow that to happen. The converse is also true of costs incurred south of CR466 not being the responsibility of the northern most CDDs.

Outside of any agreed to warranty period, once the lands and properties are transferred to either the County or the CDD, the Developers involvement and responsibilities are complete. Any issues, problems, or repairs are then the responsibilities of the governing body. We the residents are that governing body through our elected representatives. It is not the Developer's responsibility to respond to or address the complaints of residents in areas of the development long ago completed and transferred to other hands. That responsibility belongs to County government, the CDDs, and in some cases the City where the residents reside.

Yes, the Evening with the Developer is basically an advertising and feel good event. They put information out that helps quell rumors and speculation about what they are doing now and sometime in the near future, most of these we all benefit from in one way or another. In my opinion, it serves a more important purpose, it lets people know that they community is still alive and growing, for what doesn't grow most assuredly dies. Yes, this is a business, their business, and yes they are in it to make a profit as is every business. Many that live among us have forgotten this fact of how the real world works now that they've retired. Unless they have an existing warranty responsibility the Developer owes us nothing that wasn't written into the the contract to purchase your home.

The Developer have proven themselves responsible stewards of the future growth of The Villages. It's not hard to see what happens when a responsible approach isn't taken, go to the Fort Myers area and drive through the Lehigh Acres development and you will see what that failure looks like. We are fortunate that this development has been so successful and continues to both grow and be run by an effective government system.

Yes, I too was disappointed with the lack of new content and information that was put out at the event. I had hoped for a lot more to be relieved but nothing was. I guess I have to just keep digging for information and seeing what I can from the air with the drone.

[bagboy]

Very good post GoldWingNut.

[New Englander]

Very good post GoldWingNut.

:agree:

[Midnight Cowgirl]

The house you built 20 years ago was sound and solid, you sold it long ago and have no financial interest, ownership rights, or ongoing responsibility in it, you receive a letter from the current owner who says the roof is leaking and they want you to pay for repairing it because you are now somehow responsible for it and have money, how do you respond? I'm not unsympathetic to the plight of the residents of this community. The issue isn't that the Developer is responsible, the issue is that the politicians running Marion county have refused to do their jobs and take care of the issues of the residents in their county.

My guess is most would toss the letter in the trash as foolish nonsense. How is the Calumet Grove sinkhole any different? Because the Developer is still around and is successful they should pay for everything that happens here in perpetuity, absolutely ridiculous.

Once again, as has been said many times, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the bridge that crosses the lake, there never has been. It is an erosion issue on the banks of the man-made island that was constructed around the center pilings. The bridge is fine and would continue to be fine even if the lake completely reclaimed the entire island. You demonstrate a lack an understanding of the structure and agreements in place that operates The Villages and the CDDs, while I am sure the residents of CDD4 would love to share the ongoing costs they are incurring because of the sink hole problem with all the other CDDs, that simply won't happen because no inter-local government agreement exist to allow that to happen. The converse is also true of costs incurred south of CR466 not being the responsibility of the northern most CDDs.

Outside of any agreed to warranty period, once the lands and properties are transferred to either the County or the CDD, the Developers involvement and responsibilities are complete. Any issues, problems, or repairs are then the responsibilities of the governing body. We the residents are that governing body through our elected representatives. It is not the Developer's responsibility to respond to or address the complaints of residents in areas of the development long ago completed and transferred to other hands. That responsibility belongs to County government, the CDDs, and in some cases the City where the residents reside.

Yes, the Evening with the Developer is basically an advertising and feel good event. They put information out that helps quell rumors and speculation about what they are doing now and sometime in the near future, most of these we all benefit from in one way or another. In my opinion, it serves a more important purpose, it lets people know that they community is still alive and growing, for what doesn't grow most assuredly dies. Yes, this is a business, their business, and yes they are in it to make a profit as is every business. Many that live among us have forgotten this fact of how the real world works now that they've retired. Unless they have an existing warranty responsibility the Developer owes us nothing that wasn't written into the the contract to purchase your home.

The Developer have proven themselves responsible stewards of the future growth of The Villages. It's not hard to see what happens when a responsible approach isn't taken, go to the Fort Myers area and drive through the Lehigh Acres development and you will see what that failure looks like. We are fortunate that this development has been so successful and continues to both grow and be run by an effective government system.

Yes, I too was disappointed with the lack of new content and information that was put out at the event. I had hoped for a lot more to be relieved but nothing was. I guess I have to just keep digging for information and seeing what I can from the air with the drone.


You have made some excellent points in your post.

I don't think anyone would agree that a 20-year old leaking roof could be compared to a sinkhole that appears years later. I am not an engineer, but I don't believe sinkholes usually appear until years later due to a number of different circumstances. From the onset of that problem in Calumet Grove, I don't recall the developer addressing the situation as being helpful to the residents who were affected. Correct me if I am wrong. And yes -- Marion County and others are part of the equation, too.

I am aware that the Morse bridge per se is not the problem, but the issue is the erosion. I guess I don't understand the structure of why only certain CDDs are responsible for paying for the repair. I would really have to be aware of and read and comprehend the agreement you have mentioned. And how would a potential buyer know about this agreement with the result being they would be held responsible for paying for this repair down the road (no pun intended)?

With the millions of people traversing this bridge on a daily basis, the average person would think as I have . . . that if the developer owns the land and the county owns the roadway, they should be responsible for the repair. My thinking is only based on logic, not a written agreement with which I am not familiar.

I vividly recall what has taken place in Lehigh Acres. I remember salespeople walking around in resort areas up north in the summertime, selling lots to the poor suckers who believed the propaganda that was told to them! Very sad.

As far as An Evening with the Developer is concerned -- it is what it is and will never change, I'm sure. I agree with you that it is designed to be a "feel good" event for residents and I think it mostly does that. Personally, I would like to glean more "meaty" information but that is not their style or intent to give.

Again -- thanks for your post. :thumbup:

[graciegirl]

You have made some excellent points in your post.

I don't think anyone would agree that a 20-year old leaking roof could be compared to a sinkhole that appears years later. I am not an engineer, but I don't believe sinkholes usually appear until years later due to a number of different circumstances. From the onset of that problem in Calumet Grove, I don't recall the developer addressing the situation as being helpful to the residents who were affected. Correct me if I am wrong. And yes -- Marion County and others are part of the equation, too.

I am aware that the Morse bridge per se is not the problem, but the issue is the erosion. I guess I don't understand the structure of why only certain CDDs are responsible for paying for the repair. I would really have to be aware of and read and comprehend the agreement you have mentioned. And how would a potential buyer know about this agreement with the result being they would be held responsible for paying for this repair down the road (no pun intended)?

With the millions of people traversing this bridge on a daily basis, the average person would think as I have . . . that if the developer owns the land and the county owns the roadway, they should be responsible for the repair. My thinking is only based on logic, not a written agreement with which I am not familiar.

I vividly recall what has taken place in Lehigh Acres. I remember salespeople walking around in resort areas up north in the summertime, selling lots to the poor suckers who believed the propaganda that was told to them! Very sad.

As far as An Evening with the Developer is concerned -- it is what it is and will never change, I'm sure. I agree with you that it is designed to be a "feel good" event for residents and I think it mostly does that. Personally, I would like to glean more "meaty" information but that is not their style or intent to give.

Again -- thanks for your post. :thumbup:

Sinkholes can appear at any time and are predominantly in West Central Florida. They often appear after a heavy rain after an extended dry spell. The developer has no responsibility to address matters on sinkholes on private property. Insurance can be purchased. Same for lightning and flooding.

The Evening with the Developer has been going on since I have been here and I don't think Gary Morse ever hosted it, and he has only been gone about five years now. The last one wasn't as interesting as previous ones were. The Morses do not relish attention and it is good business to keep plans to yourself especially when you are acquiring real estate.

One of the things I like about The Villages is the lack of the "hard sell". I hate, Hate, HATE pushy realtors.

I am not one tiny bit worried about the bridge, do not think there is a conspiracy and will be repaired well with as little cost as possible to us. WHY? Because there have been no reasons to think otherwise.

[Kenswing]

You have made some excellent points in your post.

I don't think anyone would agree that a 20-year old leaking roof could be compared to a sinkhole that appears years later. I am not an engineer, but I don't believe sinkholes usually appear until years later due to a number of different circumstances. From the onset of that problem in Calumet Grove, I don't recall the developer addressing the situation as being helpful to the residents who were affected. Correct me if I am wrong. And yes -- Marion County and others are part of the equation, too.

I am aware that the Morse bridge per se is not the problem, but the issue is the erosion. I guess I don't understand the structure of why only certain CDDs are responsible for paying for the repair. I would really have to be aware of and read and comprehend the agreement you have mentioned. And how would a potential buyer know about this agreement with the result being they would be held responsible for paying for this repair down the road (no pun intended)?

With the millions of people traversing this bridge on a daily basis, the average person would think as I have . . . that if the developer owns the land and the county owns the roadway, they should be responsible for the repair. My thinking is only based on logic, not a written agreement with which I am not familiar.

I vividly recall what has taken place in Lehigh Acres. I remember salespeople walking around in resort areas up north in the summertime, selling lots to the poor suckers who believed the propaganda that was told to them! Very sad.

As far as An Evening with the Developer is concerned -- it is what it is and will never change, I'm sure. I agree with you that it is designed to be a "feel good" event for residents and I think it mostly does that. Personally, I would like to glean more "meaty" information but that is not their style or intent to give.

Again -- thanks for your post. :thumbup:Dang.. How big is the Villages? I live in the Seattle Metro area and we don't even get millions daily on the I-5 corridor.. lol

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Sinkholes can appear at any time and are predominantly in West Central Florida. They often appear after a heavy rain after an extended dry spell. The developer has no responsibility to address matters on sinkholes on private property. Insurance can be purchased. Same for lightning and flooding.

]The State of the Developer[/COLOR] has been going on since I have been here and I don't think Gary Morse ever hosted it. The last one wasn't as interesting as previous ones were. The Morses do not relish attention and it is good business to keep plans to yourself especially when you are acquiring real estate.

One of the things I like about The Villages is the lack of the "hard sell". I hate, Hate, HATE pushy realtors.

I am not one tiny bit worried about the bridge, do not think there is a conspiracy and will be repaired well with as little cost as possible to us. WHY? Because there have been no reasons to think otherwise.


Sinkholes are not necessarily predominant in west central Florida.
Texas, Alabama, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Pennsylvania. have had an abundance of them.

What is this "The State of the Developer" that has been going on for years?
How do you know the Morses don't "relish" attention?
Who mentioned keeping real estate plans secretive?
The huge sinkhole in Calumet Grove was in the street in front of two homes, NOT on private property.
Who mentioned pushy real estate agents in this thread?
Where did your "conspiracy" theory regarding the Morse Bridge come from?

[graciegirl]

Sinkholes are not necessarily predominant in west central Florida.
Texas, Alabama, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Pennsylvania. have had an abundance of them.

What is this "The State of the Developer" that has been going on for years?
How do you know the Morses don't "relish" attention?
Who mentioned keeping real estate plans secretive?
The huge sinkhole in Calumet Grove was in the street in front of two homes, NOT on private property.
Who mentioned pushy real estate agents in this thread?
Where did your "conspiracy" theory regarding the Morse Bridge come from?

I was not clear. Haven't had time to drink this coffee this morning.

Here are several maps of the predominance of sinkholes in FLORIDA.
map of sinkholes in florida 2018 - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=map+of+sinkholes+in+florida+2018&qpvt=map+of+sinkholes+in+florida+2018&FORM=IGRE)

The Morses do not seem to seek attention from Villagers, the press, or anyone.

Allow me to correct my words. I meant "Evening with the Developer".

I mentioned that it was wise to play close to the vest when attempting to acquire a lot of land. ME. I mentioned that. I also said I don't like PUSHY sellers of any kind. ESPECIALLY REALTORS. HATE hard sell.

Now I need to drink my coffee.

[red tail]

Now this is a sinkhole!!!

Pictures: Winter Park sinkhole - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/os-fla360-pictures-winter-park-sinkhole-20121113-photogallery.html)

[dewilson58]

Now this is a sinkhole!!!

Pictures: Winter Park sinkhole - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/os-fla360-pictures-winter-park-sinkhole-20121113-photogallery.html)




Was wondering what happened to my Porsche.

[New Englander]

I was not clear. Haven't had time to drink this coffee this morning.

Here are several maps of the predominance of sinkholes in FLORIDA.
map of sinkholes in florida 2018 - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=map+of+sinkholes+in+florida+2018&qpvt=map+of+sinkholes+in+florida+2018&FORM=IGRE)

The Morses do not seem to seek attention from Villagers, the press, or anyone.

Allow me to correct my words. I meant "Evening with the Developer".

I mentioned that it was wise to play close to the vest when attempting to acquire a lot of land. ME. I mentioned that. I also said I don't like PUSHY sellers of any kind. ESPECIALLY REALTORS. HATE hard sell.

Now I need to drink my coffee.

When Walt Disney wanted to buy huge parcels of land to create Disney World, he had several straw buyers do it for him. I actually learned this from watching a documentary about Walt Disney.

[Jdmiata]

Was there any mention of the conditions of the golf courses ?

[Goldwingnut]

Was there any mention of the conditions of the golf courses ?

The Championship courses and those south of SR44 belong to the developer and those would be the only ones they would have commented on, if that was the purpose of the event, but it wasn't.

The executive course north of SR44 belong to either SLCDD or VCCDD, neither of which were involved in the presentation, and again that wasn't the purpose of the event.

I've played Sandhill and Roosevelt this week, both course have made a tremendous comeback, were in great shape, and were a please to play. The courses take a beating with full tee time schedules and less rain in the high season.

[Marathon Man]

You have made some excellent points in your post.

I don't think anyone would agree that a 20-year old leaking roof could be compared to a sinkhole that appears years later. I am not an engineer, but I don't believe sinkholes usually appear until years later due to a number of different circumstances. From the onset of that problem in Calumet Grove, I don't recall the developer addressing the situation as being helpful to the residents who were affected. Correct me if I am wrong. And yes -- Marion County and others are part of the equation, too.

I am aware that the Morse bridge per se is not the problem, but the issue is the erosion. I guess I don't understand the structure of why only certain CDDs are responsible for paying for the repair. I would really have to be aware of and read and comprehend the agreement you have mentioned. And how would a potential buyer know about this agreement with the result being they would be held responsible for paying for this repair down the road (no pun intended)?

With the millions of people traversing this bridge on a daily basis, the average person would think as I have . . . that if the developer owns the land and the county owns the roadway, they should be responsible for the repair. My thinking is only based on logic, not a written agreement with which I am not familiar.

I vividly recall what has taken place in Lehigh Acres. I remember salespeople walking around in resort areas up north in the summertime, selling lots to the poor suckers who believed the propaganda that was told to them! Very sad.

As far as An Evening with the Developer is concerned -- it is what it is and will never change, I'm sure. I agree with you that it is designed to be a "feel good" event for residents and I think it mostly does that. Personally, I would like to glean more "meaty" information but that is not their style or intent to give.

Again -- thanks for your post. :thumbup:

I highly recommend attending Resident Accadamy. So much is explained and you will learn just how much misunderstanding exists among the residents.

[Bogie Shooter]

You have made some excellent points in your post.

I don't think anyone would agree that a 20-year old leaking roof could be compared to a sinkhole that appears years later. I am not an engineer, but I don't believe sinkholes usually appear until years later due to a number of different circumstances. From the onset of that problem in Calumet Grove, I don't recall the developer addressing the situation as being helpful to the residents who were affected. Correct me if I am wrong. And yes -- Marion County and others are part of the equation, too.

I am aware that the Morse bridge per se is not the problem, but the issue is the erosion. I guess I don't understand the structure of why only certain CDDs are responsible for paying for the repair. I would really have to be aware of and read and comprehend the agreement you have mentioned. And how would a potential buyer know about this agreement with the result being they would be held responsible for paying for this repair down the road (no pun intended)?

With the millions of people traversing this bridge on a daily basis, the average person would think as I have . . . that if the developer owns the land and the county owns the roadway, they should be responsible for the repair. My thinking is only based on logic, not a written agreement with which I am not familiar.

I vividly recall what has taken place in Lehigh Acres. I remember salespeople walking around in resort areas up north in the summertime, selling lots to the poor suckers who believed the propaganda that was told to them! Very sad.

As far as An Evening with the Developer is concerned -- it is what it is and will never change, I'm sure. I agree with you that it is designed to be a "feel good" event for residents and I think it mostly does that. Personally, I would like to glean more "meaty" information but that is not their style or intent to give.

Again -- thanks for your post. :thumbup:

I highly recommend attending Resident Accadamy. So much is explained and you will learn just how much misunderstanding exists among the residents.

From Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org)
Resident Academy
The Resident Academy is an interactive program for residents who are interested in learning about their local government. Our ultimate goal for the Resident Academy is to alleviate the confusion, questions, or mis-information that exists throughout the community regarding the responsibilities and functions of the Community Development Districts. During this program, participants will receive an in-depth look at the various District Departments and how they work together to make this the best community to live, work and play. Department Directors will also be available to answer questions or make appointments for those seeking additional information. The following schedule gives a description of the departments that participants will have the opportunity to visit and interact with. If you are interested in becoming a part of this exciting program, please call the Customer Service Center at 753-4508 or stop by the office at 984 Old Mill Run.
Introduction to District operations and structure:
History of Special Districts
Benefits of Special Districts
17 Special Districts
Village Center Community Development District
Sumter Landing Community Development District
Brownwood Community Development District
Districts 1-13
North Sumter Utility Dependent District
Presentations from the following District departments:
Human Resources
Utilities
Public Safety
Landscaping
District Clerk
Budget
Recreation
Community Watch
Customer Service
Finance
Executive Golf
Property Management
Community Standards
Interactive Tours:
North Sumter Utilities
Fire Headquarters
Register Now!

[Bucco]

From Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org)
Resident Academy
The Resident Academy is an interactive program for residents who are interested in learning about their local government. Our ultimate goal for the Resident Academy is to alleviate the confusion, questions, or mis-information that exists throughout the community regarding the responsibilities and functions of the Community Development Districts. During this program, participants will receive an in-depth look at the various District Departments and how they work together to make this the best community to live, work and play. Department Directors will also be available to answer questions or make appointments for those seeking additional information. The following schedule gives a description of the departments that participants will have the opportunity to visit and interact with. If you are interested in becoming a part of this exciting program, please call the Customer Service Center at 753-4508 or stop by the office at 984 Old Mill Run.
Introduction to District operations and structure:
History of Special Districts
Benefits of Special Districts
17 Special Districts
Village Center Community Development District
Sumter Landing Community Development District
Brownwood Community Development District
Districts 1-13
North Sumter Utility Dependent District
Presentations from the following District departments:
Human Resources
Utilities
Public Safety
Landscaping
District Clerk
Budget
Recreation
Community Watch
Customer Service
Finance
Executive Golf
Property Management
Community Standards
Interactive Tours:
North Sumter Utilities
Fire Headquarters
Register Now!

You are going to confuse folks by suggesting they deal with facts, which as has been said on this forum are not all that important.

Could set a nasty trend....imagine allowing facts to cloud your already made up mind. Frightning

[JoMar]

You are going to confuse folks by suggesting they deal with facts, which as has been said on this forum are not all that important.

Could set a nasty trend....imagine allowing facts to cloud your already made up mind. Frightning

Agree...lol. I also recommend attending the Resident Academy and add that you should every 2 - 3 years. I'm currently doing it every 2 and the new and evolving facts keep me current plus the manual they provide is a great reference book.

[Marathon Man]

You are going to confuse folks by suggesting they deal with facts, which as has been said on this forum are not all that important.

Could set a nasty trend....imagine allowing facts to cloud your already made up mind. Frightning

Frightening indeed.

[pauld315]

From my understanding, Marion County really has nothing to do with the roads in CDD 4. They are the only county that didn't take over ownership of the roads after they were built. Those roads are owned and maintained by CDD 4. This differs from Sumter County, for example, where Sumter County owns and maintains the roads in The Villages that are in Sumter County (with the exception of the roads in the villas which are owned and maintained by the CDD's) So, when the residents and, worse yet. CDD 4 supervisors start blaming the county for not fixing the problem, they are off base. CDD 4 is solely responsible to fix the problem.