Round-abouts again

[refeik]

I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...

[MorTech]

No it won't.

The only way is to make the traffic circle one single lane.

[Polar Bear]

...The only way is to make the traffic circle one single lane.
:22yikes:

That's wrong on so many levels I won't even go into specifics.

[thomp679]

Agree...signalling would help. I do it hoping it will catch the attention of the hurried driver who otherwise might cut me off.

[Fredster]

Best advice I ever ran across on TOTV was to never drive through or enter a roundabout next to another vehicle.
I always use turn signals to let other drivers know my intentions!

[Topspinmo]

:22yikes:

That's wrong on so many levels I won't even go into specifics.
:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[Topspinmo]

I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...

They think their going straight. There no straight thru roundabout, you must use you’re turn signal when exiting, but also supposed to stop behind stops signs also which happen as about as often as signaling when exiting roundabouts. Good point, but lost cause.

[karostay]

Agree...signalling would help. I do it hoping it will catch the attention of the hurried driver who otherwise might cut me off.

I signal ever time with my finger...No ones notices.:duck:

[Polar Bear]

Of course signaling is a good thing.

But to be honest, if you obey the two most important rules (imo) of roundabout driving...yield to both lanes of the roundabout before entering and never drive next to another vehicle within the roundabout...potential conflicts have already been minimized even without signaling your exit.

[CWGUY]

:ho: Well I guess if we are going to rehash this topic again.... it's worth repeating Sumter Co. has a nice guide that tax dollars paid for on how to drive in roundabouts. I would assume it was written by the "experts".(The professional type.... not the TOTV type)

Here is a link:

https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

[VApeople]

Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...

I don't signal because my hands are busy steering my car.

The only time I am in the left lane is when I am going 3/4 of the way around. In that case, my hands are busy steering left around the circle and then I have to steer right to make my exit.

Polar Bear makes a very good point:

if you obey the two most important rules (imo) of roundabout driving...yield to both lanes of the roundabout before entering and never drive next to another vehicle within the roundabout...potential conflicts have already been minimized even without signaling your exit.

[vintageogauge]

Painting the white lines would be helpful.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

:ho: Well I guess if we are going to rehash this topic again.... it's worth repeating Sumter Co. has a nice guide that tax dollars paid for on how to drive in roundabouts. I would assume it was written by the "experts".(The professional type.... not the TOTV type)

Here is a link:

https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf
Not everyone who drives through roundabouts is a member of this forum, and would even know that rules were available from Sumter County. Not everyone who visits the Villages knows that it's the county that makes the rules of these roads, and not the Villages. Some people might think these are owned by the Villages, not public roads. Especially people who are visiting friends for the first time.

People who've lived here, or driven through here a few times, for awhile, should definitely know better. But you're assuming that everyone who drives through or in knows a) to look for the roundabouts, b) that they exist, c) that the rules for them are available from the county (not the town, not the CDD, not the forum, not The Villages Sales office), and d) that the rules her might be different from the rules for the roundabouts where they're from, and therefore they have any reason to check at all.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Not everyone who drives through roundabouts is a member of this forum, and would even know that rules were available from Sumter County. Not everyone who visits the Villages knows that it's the county that makes the rules of these roads, and not the Villages. Some people might think these are owned by the Villages, not public roads. Especially people who are visiting friends for the first time.

People who've lived here, or driven through here a few times, for awhile, should definitely know better. But you're assuming that everyone who drives through or in knows a) to look for the roundabouts, b) that they exist, c) that the rules for them are available from the county (not the town, not the CDD, not the forum, not The Villages Sales office), and d) that the rules her might be different from the rules for the roundabouts where they're from, and therefore they have any reason to check at all.


Well said!
You are correct on every point that you've made.

[refeik]

No it won't.

The only way is to make the traffic circle one single lane.

Of course it will improve the flow of traffic.

[refeik]

:ho: Well I guess if we are going to rehash this topic again.... it's worth repeating Sumter Co. has a nice guide that tax dollars paid for on how to drive in roundabouts. I would assume it was written by the "experts".(The professional type.... not the TOTV type)

Here is a link:

https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

The problem if this, you cannot control the behavior of drivers. All the instructions in the world will not make a driver do anything they choose not to do.

[refeik]

I don't signal because my hands are busy steering my car.

The only time I am in the left lane is when I am going 3/4 of the way around. In that case, my hands are busy steering left around the circle and then I have to steer right to make my exit.

Polar Bear makes a very good point:

If I understand your comment, you never use your signal when exiting a roadway onto another roadway or even you driveway. You are one of those who cause accidents by not indicating your intentions to other drivers.

[Topspinmo]

If I understand your comment, you never use your signal when exiting a roadway onto another roadway or even you driveway. You are one of those who cause accidents by not indicating your intentions to other drivers.

:bigbow::bigbow:

[VApeople]

If I understand your comment, you never use your signal when exiting a roadway onto another roadway or even you driveway.

You did not understand my comment. It only pertained to my non-use of turn signals in a roundabout.

[big guy]

I agree, traffic would move along more briskly if signals were used. You sit there trying to guess who is going to turn as the traffic builds up behind you.

[Down Sized]

Hope I don’t run out THIS TIME!!!!:popcorn:

[Bogie Shooter]

The problem if this, you cannot control the behavior of drivers. All the instructions in the world will not make a driver do anything they choose not to do.

Or the hundreds of posts on TOTV......

[coffeebean]

If I understand your comment, you never use your signal when exiting a roadway onto another roadway or even you driveway. You are one of those who cause accidents by not indicating your intentions to other drivers.

Count me in as one of those drivers who "cause accidents by not indicating their intentions to other drivers".BTW, I use my directionals all the time with the exception of the RABs. In fact, after driving TV RABs for over 10 years, I have yet to cause one accident. In fact, if I have seen drivers use their directionals a total of maybe 50 times in 10 years, that is probably grossly over estimated.

Does the directional actually automatically cancel itself when exiting a RAB? I wouldn't know as I never have tried it.

[VApeople]

You sit there trying to guess who is going to turn as the traffic builds up behind you.

Is that a problem?

I am a slow driver and I do not follow other drivers closely. I have never worried about traffic building up behind me.

[Velvet]

The roundabouts are not typical inmost North American areas. My husband who drives tour buses all over the continent experienced a bit of difficulty with them. Everyone is used to lights, arrows, turns, etc. This roundabout idea is probably there for a reason but to new people like me until I get used to it -it is just an unsafe nuisance.

The safest driving method in most places is to go with the traffic. Signaling is really a good idea so other people can see your intention. It’s like saying when someone is in your way, “Excuse me” first, instead of just plowing right ahead.

In order not to deal with the traffic hubby always took the highways and main roads to get anywhere in TV that was at any distance. Especially after our real estate agent bombed up and down Morse while texting throughout the whole time. I couldn’t wait to get out of his car. But he was a great agent otherwise.

[coffeebean]

If I understand your comment, you never use your signal when exiting a roadway onto another roadway or even you driveway. You are one of those who cause accidents by not indicating your intentions to other drivers.

Are you saying you turn on a directional to enter your driveway?

[Velvet]

If you have someone behind you and you are going to apply the brakes and turn then it’s just communicating your intent. If there is no one else around then there is no one to communicate to. Personally, I watch the movement and the angle of the car to anticipate what they plan to do.

[Fredster]

Are you saying you turn on a directional to enter your driveway?

I do, because it is wise to do, and it developes a good habit pattern.
I don’t agree with some drivers who feel it is up to them to choose when to use turn signals or not.
I believe turn signals show our intensions to other drivers in our immediate vicinity.

[anothersteve]

If you have someone behind you and you are going to apply the brakes and turn then it’s just communicating your intent. If there is no one else around then there is no one to communicate to. Personally, I watch the movement and the angle of the car to anticipate what they plan to do.
You can still get a "failure to signal" ticket even if there is nobody around.
I always signal, whether it's to turn or change lanes. Even when entering the roundabouts I signal my future intent, so's others can hopefully see what I want to do..it's a habit, second nature.
Steve

[JoMar]

When I was learning to drive I was always told to watch out for the other guy......when I got here I found many that are here believe they are the other guy and expected me to watch out for them. Which is why they never cause accidents.

[coffeebean]

Of course signaling is a good thing.

But to be honest, if you obey the two most important rules (imo) of roundabout driving...yield to both lanes of the roundabout before entering and never drive next to another vehicle within the roundabout...potential conflicts have already been minimized even without signaling your exit.

I live by these two rules when it comes to TV RABs. This is my mantra in every RAB thread that has ever been discussed here on TOTV.

I live by these two rules...... I NEVER EVER drive next to anyone in the RAB. I adjust my speed so not to be next to anyone. That is purely defensive driving. I also NEVER EVER enter a RAB when a car is in either one of the lanes. Again....defensive driving.

[coffeebean]

I agree, traffic would move along more briskly if signals were used. You sit there trying to guess who is going to turn as the traffic builds up behind you.

Anytime in a RAB or regular roadways, when someone has their directional on, I always wait until they actually make their turn before I proceed to move my car forward. I DO NOT TRUST anyone's directional. Too many people forget the directional is on. Have you ever followed someone on the roadway for any length of time with their directional still blinking? I have seen this too many times to ever trust anyone's directional. I have seen too many directionals blinking and the driver does not do what the directional was telling me they were intending to do.

Trust then verify will always prevent an accident. Someone who uses their directional in a RAB will never get me to believe they plan to exit a RAB. When their tires begin to turn in the direction of their exit point and when their car actually makes their exit is when i will know it is safe to proceed.

I take defensive driving to another level I guess. Sorry if I slow the traffic pattern but I prefer to be safe.

[Polar Bear]

Anytime in a RAB or regular roadways, when someone has their directional on, I always wait until they actually make their turn before I proceed to move my car forward. I DO NOT TRUST anyone's directional...

Sorry if I slow the traffic...
You’re not holding up traffic. You’re doing the right thing.

If they’re close enough that you need to see a turn signal to go, then you should be yielding to them anyway. Then if they turn, you go.

This is another example of why signals are a nice courtesy, but not that important if you’re yielding to traffic properly anyway.

[refeik]

Are you saying you turn on a directional to enter your driveway?

Of course I do. Why not. Suppose someone is directly behind you, doesn't it make sense to indicate you are about to slow down and make a turn.

[VApeople]

When their tires begin to turn in the direction of their exit point and when their car actually makes their exit is when i will know it is safe to proceed.


I do the same thing.

A few days ago I was driving north on Morse and I stopped at the Hollsborough RAB because a car was coming thru the RAB in the outside lane.

I remained there until I was absolutely sure the other car was turning to go south on Morse. In the meantime, the guy behind me honked at me. I thought it was pretty funny.

[Two Bills]

Given the non use of signals freely admitted by many on this post
The hundreds of different personal versions of how to navigate a roundabout.
Given the age of many drivers, their slow reaction times, poor eyesight, the amount medicatiion, booze ingested, I am astounded at the numbers who actually survive driving in The Villages.
The Gods must smile on, and watch over this place!

[Rose Haverlack]

I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...
I agree with you - using turn signals would make ALL the difference. However, do you notice that turn signals are rarely used ANYWHERE?

[richl]

I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...

I agree and have been doing this for a long time but most people do not. Sometimes a driver will actually switch lanes during the roundabout exit without signaling which of course is quite risky. In addition, as many drivers approach the roundabout, instead of obeying the signs that say "reduced speed ahead" they speed up as if partaking in a race. Go figure.

[barvic]

Simple rules for approaching a roundabout.
The LEFT lane is for going straight and turning LEFT
The RIGHT lane if for going straight and turning RIGHT

Get it??

[anothersteve]

Simple rules for approaching a roundabout.
The LEFT lane is for going straight and turning LEFT
The RIGHT lane if for going straight and turning RIGHT

Get it??

Ummm...I think that's incorrect.
https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf
Steve

[atmcgov]

I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...
Im europe iys a $50 fine for not using a turn signal.

[Mase4]

I lived in England for seven years, they have Roundabouts all over the place, an traffic moves easily. The Biggest thing is their Roundabouts are designed for safe driving, No curbs, hard angles when entering or exiting, good line of sight. Village Roundabouts are just designed incorrectly. There are a few in Maryland and they also are of bad design. Use Google Maps of other map program and look at roads in the UK. There are even some Doubles.

[Two Bills]

Ummm...I think that's incorrect.
https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf
Steve

I hope your not going to suggest turning right from the left hand lane, or left from the right?

[Singerlady]

If TV would structure their roundabouts like Hilton Head Island, we wouldn’t have these problems. They have definite right turn lanes with concrete ‘barriers’ in the pavement (no crossing lanes) so you must turn right. If you’re going to the next ‘exit, you’re in the inner lane and will easily make the turn. Also, they should reverse the resident/non-result dent entrances at the the gates. I know that messes up the guardhouse attendant, but....The roundabouts here are crazy...the drivers crazier!

[Howie1944]

The best rule, if you can only remember one, is NEVER switch lanes while in the circle.

[dewilson58]

The best rule, if you can only remember one, is NEVER switch lanes while in the circle.




Almost correct................in the left lane (inside lane) entering the circle, if you want to exit at the third exit.......you will cross the outside lane.

[mamckennon]

Funnel all traffic into one lane. No right turns from left lane.

[jfkilduff]

Whoever made the exiting rules is an idiot if your in the right lane u must take the first exit you should not be allowed to continue around too the second or third exit

[jedalton]

that's great except TV has some lined where you can turn right from both lanes. messes everybody up

[Two Bills]

I lived in England for seven years, they have Roundabouts all over the place, an traffic moves easily. The Biggest thing is their Roundabouts are designed for safe driving, No curbs, hard angles when entering or exiting, good line of sight. Village Roundabouts are just designed incorrectly. There are a few in Maryland and they also are of bad design. Use Google Maps of other map program and look at roads in the UK. There are even some Doubles.


We also drive on the correct side of the road!! :ho:

[graciegirl]

Funnel all traffic into one lane. No right turns from left lane.

That would cause huge traffic back ups. There are very few accidents and very few awful accidents in traffic circles because people mostly do slow down and take care. It is new people that give the most hue and cry.

[CharlesNT]

Using turn signals whether staying in or exiting the roundabout is the best solution. Why keep your intentions a secret? People complain about a lack of communication, here's one example! It really comes down to laziness and being inconsiderate of others!

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

I agree, traffic would move along more briskly if signals were used. You sit there trying to guess who is going to turn as the traffic builds up behind you.

Signaling only gives you a warning ( of what might occur) not a go -a -head . Assume nothing and check everything

[ChicagoNative]

It can be really confusing, especially when some of the circles allow the right lane to go completely around and others don’t. How many drivers remember the meaning of a solid line v. a dotted?

Signaling can help assuming others are paying attention. Also, people should remember that YIELD doesnt mean STOP.

Bottom line: brush up on the rules of the road and use common sense, which unfortunately is not so common.

[Polar Bear]

Whoever made the exiting rules is an idiot if your in the right lane u must take the first exit you should not be allowed to continue around too the second or third exit
That makes all right hand lanes on Morse and BV right-turn-only lanes. Not gonna happen.

[sunshine5]

agree 100% , must use use directionals in the roundabouts..

[fsusix]

:ho: Well I guess if we are going to rehash this topic again.... it's worth repeating Sumter Co. has a nice guide that tax dollars paid for on how to drive in roundabouts. I would assume it was written by the "experts".(The professional type.... not the TOTV type)

Here is a link:

https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

:bigbow: This was terrific! Thanks!

[BostonRich]

There are lots of "rotaries" in the northeast. This concept is not that rare for a lot of us. The big difference is that you can change lanes in a "rotary" but not in a "roundabout". So you only exit form the right lane in a rotary as you merge to the outer lane before you exit. In a roundabout you are required to cross the outer lane from the inner lane to exit. That is the most critical point of conflict.

I think the "rotary" makes more sense and would resolve a lot of this but you would have to change every traffic circle throughout the Villages at the same time.

[DeanFL]

MY driving habits include NEVER (NOT EVER!) drive BESIDE another vehicle close to, or inside a TV Roundabout. I will say NEVER yet again. One never knows the intention of that other driver. Defensive driving is the smart move. BTW I don't trust turn signals much (or lack thereof).

Also I try to NEVER stay in another driver's blindspots when driving roads or highways. Other drivers movements are uncertain when they see you, more hazardous when they don't.

Defensive driving with constant checks of surroundings - mirrors and swivel-head. Always anticipating and knowing where you can go if another driver cuts you off etc...

[Polar Bear]

...NEVER (NOT EVER!) drive BESIDE another vehicle close to, or inside a TV Roundabout...
There ya go.

[realmoxies]

If TV would structure their roundabouts like Hilton Head Island, we wouldn’t have these problems. They have definite right turn lanes with concrete ‘barriers’ in the pavement (no crossing lanes) so you must turn right. If you’re going to the next ‘exit, you’re in the inner lane and will easily make the turn. Also, they should reverse the resident/non-result dent entrances at the the gates. I know that messes up the guardhouse attendant, but....The roundabouts here are crazy...the drivers crazier!
Disney ride safety? Those already in the rab have the right of way! Don't change lanes in a rab ! If you're unsure of someone's intentions, are go around again, what's the hurry?

[Bill1701]

If people would just stay in their lane, driving would be safer. You don't make a right turn from the left lane or a left turn from the right lane on a regular road. Don't do it in a roundabout. Follow the signs and arrows.

[Travelingal702]

I wish people would use their turn signals ALL THE TIME.

[rmd2]

turn signals. I agree

[omimom]

I agree about never positioning your vehicle next to someone in the roundabout. I either speed up or back off so I'm never where I can't move into the other lane if necessary and you have to scan your side view mirrors so you don't cut anyone off. Defensive driving.

[daphurm]

This is simple, heed the signage. Left lane-left turn or straight thru. Right lane-right turn or straight thru. Period!!!!! The procedure is the same as at a crossroad. You don’t make a left turn from the right lane and you don’t make a right turn from the left lane. Heed the signs for safety sake.

If your in Australia you can make a right turn from the left lane.

[DeanFL]

MY driving habits include NEVER (NOT EVER!) drive BESIDE another vehicle close to, or inside a TV Roundabout. I will say NEVER yet again. One never knows the intention of that other driver. Defensive driving is the smart move. BTW I don't trust turn signals much (or lack thereof).

Also I try to NEVER stay in another driver's blindspots when driving roads or highways. Other drivers movements are uncertain when they see you, more hazardous when they don't.

Defensive driving with constant checks of surroundings - mirrors and swivel-head. Always anticipating and knowing where you can go if another driver cuts you off etc...

Oh - BTW... I don't want a Golf Cart - in the MM lane - to NOT see me... always try to get out of THEIR blindspot quickly too. Once a golfcart took a very-quick left turn to the postal station from the MM lane --- RIGHT in front of me. If they turned 1/4 second later, I would have run into him. Big PHEW - I don't even know if he EVER saw me. I don't think I had a chance to lay on the horn - if not-should have. I was too stunned and perhaps angry.

[brantnerlg@gmail.com]

That is a good point; however the biggest problem arises when drivers don`t get into the correct lane to make the turn when in the round-about. RIGHT LANE = STRAIGHT AND RIGHT TURNS. LEFT LANE = STRAIGHT AND LEFT TURNS. I have had too many drivers swerve over from the left lane to make a right turn and visa versa while in the round-about. Putting on a blinker when you decide to do this won`t be seen in time.

[daphurm]

...so we can agree it’s driver error, and nothing to do with the roundabouts.
If your in the wrong lane, there’s always the next roundabout to correct that, as you would at any crossroad!

[daphurm]

I agree about never positioning your vehicle next to someone in the roundabout. I either speed up or back off so I'm never where I can't move into the other lane if necessary and you have to scan your side view mirrors so you don't cut anyone off. Defensive driving.

You should not be changing lanes in the roundabout-period

[Midnight Cowgirl]

If TV would structure their roundabouts like Hilton Head Island, we wouldn’t have these problems. They have definite right turn lanes with concrete ‘barriers’ in the pavement (no crossing lanes) so you must turn right. If you’re going to the next ‘exit, yonner lane and will easily make the turn. Also, they should reverse the resident/non-result du’re in the ient entrances at the the gates. I know that messes up the guardhouse attendant, but....The roundabouts here are crazy...the drivers crazier!


THAT would definitely have solved all the issues residents have regarding these circles.
That can never happen here because the circles are too small circumference-wise and the lanes are too narrow.

Hilton Head was smart in what they did . . . TV -- maybe not so smart??? :shrug:
The idea is good but the actual implementation here could have been better thought out.

[coffeebean]

Given the non use of signals freely admitted by many on this post
The hundreds of different personal versions of how to navigate a roundabout.
Given the age of many drivers, their slow reaction times, poor eyesight, the amount medicatiion, booze ingested, I am astounded at the numbers who actually survive driving in The Villages.
The Gods must smile on, and watch over this place!

Here, here!!!:)

Also......Given the non use of signals freely admitted by many on this post........... Let's clarify this statement. Folks are admitting to not using their directionals in RABs, not the regular roadways. On regular roadways with stop signs, traffic lights., turn lanes etc, directionals are used all the time or should I say most of the time. It is very rare that people turn off a regular roadway without signaling using a directional. Then again, yes it does happen sometimes. In fact, hubby calls the brake lights the Florida turn signal.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Simple rules for approaching a roundabout.
The LEFT lane is for going straight and turning LEFT
The RIGHT lane if for going straight and turning RIGHT

Get it??

ALL exits on roundabouts are right exits. There are no left exits on roundabouts. In order to get out of the roundabout, you have to turn to the right. That's what causes the confusion with two-lane roundabouts in the first place.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There are lots of "rotaries" in the northeast. This concept is not that rare for a lot of us. The big difference is that you can change lanes in a "rotary" but not in a "roundabout". So you only exit form the right lane in a rotary as you merge to the outer lane before you exit. In a roundabout you are required to cross the outer lane from the inner lane to exit. That is the most critical point of conflict.

I think the "rotary" makes more sense and would resolve a lot of this but you would have to change every traffic circle throughout the Villages at the same time.

Amen. The Villages' version of rotaries are so convoluted because they're not consistent (some are one-lane, some have outer side-drive-throughs, they call a 3/4 turn a "left" turn even though the person entering after you is "going straight" to the same exit and can do so from either lane, etc. etc.)

Rotaries make sense because they're designed to make sense.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Disney ride safety? Those already in the rab have the right of way! Don't change lanes in a rab ! If you're unsure of someone's intentions, are go around again, what's the hurry?

If you only have another 10 years worth of life in you, why would you want to spend 8 of them deciding whether or not the person in front of you is taking a left?

[coffeebean]

Im europe iys a $50 fine for not using a turn signal.

If that was the case here in TV, I would be broke!!!

[coffeebean]

The best rule, if you can only remember one, is NEVER switch lanes while in the circle.

Agree. Also.....do not stop anywhere in the RAB.

Here's another one.....always go in the proper direction in a RAB. I've seen someone driving in the opposite direction of normal circulation. I've heard of that happening but finally saw it for myself about 6 months ago. Poor woman had no idea what she was doing.

[coffeebean]

Using turn signals whether staying in or exiting the roundabout is the best solution. Why keep your intentions a secret? People complain about a lack of communication, here's one example! It really comes down to laziness and being inconsiderate of others!

It really isn't laziness, on my part anyway. I'm too busy watching the traffic and I keep both hands on the wheel when I'm navigating a RAB. Plus.....with the amount of times the directional would be used, my mechanic will be replacing said directional much sooner than necessary. I hear the same complaint about how folks have to replace the switch that operates the driver's window because of the excessive use it gets here in TV.

[MorTech]

Given the non use of signals freely admitted by many on this post
The hundreds of different personal versions of how to navigate a roundabout.
Given the age of many drivers, their slow reaction times, poor eyesight, the amount medicatiion, booze ingested, I am astounded at the numbers who actually survive driving in The Villages.
The Gods must smile on, and watch over this place!

Yes...which is why TV should have made the traffic circles one single lane. Evidently, confusion and poor judgment are directly proportional to age and drug use...whoda thunk?

One would be an absolute fool to trust a turn signal in a retirement community - especially golf carts. If you disagree, then there is no helping you.

[anothersteve]

ALL exits on roundabouts are right exits. There are no left exits on roundabouts. In order to get out of the roundabout, you have to turn to the right. That's what causes the confusion with two-lane roundabouts in the first place.

Yes.
What is so freaking hard to understand?
https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf
Steve

[coffeebean]

There are lots of "rotaries" in the northeast. This concept is not that rare for a lot of us. The big difference is that you can change lanes in a "rotary" but not in a "roundabout". So you only exit form the right lane in a rotary as you merge to the outer lane before you exit. In a roundabout you are required to cross the outer lane from the inner lane to exit. That is the most critical point of conflict.

I think the "rotary" makes more sense and would resolve a lot of this but you would have to change every traffic circle throughout the Villages at the same time.

What is the difference between a rotary and a RAB? Are the road markings different or are there more lanes than we have here in TV?

[coffeebean]

MY driving habits include NEVER (NOT EVER!) drive BESIDE another vehicle close to, or inside a TV Roundabout. I will say NEVER yet again. One never knows the intention of that other driver. Defensive driving is the smart move. BTW I don't trust turn signals much (or lack thereof).

Also I try to NEVER stay in another driver's blindspots when driving roads or highways. Other drivers movements are uncertain when they see you, more hazardous when they don't.

Defensive driving with constant checks of surroundings - mirrors and swivel-head. Always anticipating and knowing where you can go if another driver cuts you off etc...

Agree.

[coffeebean]

I wish people would use their turn signals ALL THE TIME.

Not going to happen in a RAB. Sorry.

[coffeebean]

I agree about never positioning your vehicle next to someone in the roundabout. I either speed up or back off so I'm never where I can't move into the other lane if necessary and you have to scan your side view mirrors so you don't cut anyone off. Defensive driving.

Yes....I always check my passenger side view mirror before exiting a RAB. That alone will prevent a collision.

[coffeebean]

You should not be changing lanes in the roundabout-period

I took the "if necessary" to mean to avoid an accident.

[Cathrine1]

Haste makes waste...... accidents will not get you where you were in a hurry to get to...... it’s a retirement community.... slow down , use turn signals, remember the average age at Tv is well above 62. My bifocals might need a tune up. We use roundabouts but also choose alternate routes in times of high traffic. Love TV !!!!!

[BostonRich]

If people would just stay in their lane, driving would be safer. You don't make a right turn from the left lane or a left turn from the right lane on a regular road. Don't do it in a roundabout. Follow the signs and arrows.

No the rule in a roundabout is you do exit right from the left lane.

[BostonRich]

What is the difference between a rotary and a RAB? Are the road markings different or are there more lanes than we have here in TV?

Rotaries usually don't have any road markings. That probably sounds like a crazy free-for-all but since people are used to them it works just fine. Cars simply merge from one side to the other when it's safe and clear.

[BostonRich]

How about this:

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A roundabout with a railroad crossing through the middle of it!

[MEbner2805]

I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...
I don’t agree with this as the rule is we all yield to the cars in front of us no matter what lane they are in. Besides, we can’t see turn signals while going on a circle in most cases anyway. 😕

[refeik]

I hope your not going to suggest turning right from the left hand lane, or left from the right?

This is exactly what many drivers do.

[anothersteve]

"I hope your not going to suggest turning right from the left hand lane, or left from the right?"

Yes you do and can "turn" (exit) right from the left lane, otherwise you are just going to go around in circles!! While we're at it.....you can't "turn" left from the left or right lanes!!! I don't get what you are saying.
Steve

[daphurm]

Almost correct................in the left lane (inside lane) entering the circle, if you want to exit at the third exit.......you will cross the outside lane.

At that point you have the right of way because oncoming cars are to yield to cars in the roundabout.

[JoMar]

"I hope your not going to suggest turning right from the left hand lane, or left from the right?"

Yes you do and can "turn" (exit) right from the left lane, otherwise you are just going to go around in circles!! While we're at it.....you can't "turn" left from the left or right lanes!!! I don't get what you are saying.
Steve

As was mentioned, if you are exiting at the third exit you technically can cross the outside lane over the broken white line but you better keep an eye on who is coming next to you. Making a right turn from the left lane at the first exit is a no no. Trying to get to the third exit from the right lane is also a no no. If I'm making an exit at the third exit I am in the inside lane so I usually just stay there and go through the visitors side, eliminates the higher risk of crossing the outside lane to the resident entrance.

[Bogie Shooter]

Just in case you think your idea is something no one ever thought of...…….

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[skip0358]

Use my signal all the time yes even entering my driveway. In the Golf Cart I use both hand and directional signals. Someone actually told me it was against the law to use turn signals in the traffic circles because it confuses people. Really

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Use my signal all the time yes even entering my driveway. In the Golf Cart I use both hand and directional signals. Someone actually told me it was against the law to use turn signals in the traffic circles because it confuses people. Really

I use my turn signal when I turn from one road to another, from a road to a driveway, from a driveway to a road, and to change lanes. That's pretty much "basic driving 101" up in Connecticut, it's on the written test, it's part of the driving test, and it's a habit most people learn when they're 15 or 16. Some forget, some rebel against it, and some think laws don't apply to their superior entitled selves. But the rest of us just do it as a matter of habit.

[refeik]

I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...

I had a little time to kill recently so I parked at the Savannah Center so I could watch part of the round-a-bout traffic flow. I did spend a long time watching but have concluded that only about 10% of the drivers exiting that round-a-bout use their turn signals. I now wonder why. Are they lazy, don't care, or possibly ignorant ??

[coffeebean]

I wouldn't say it is ignorance or laziness. I don't use directionals in the RABs but I do use directionals every where else on all roadways.

Here is my two main reasons for not using directionals in RABs......

First of all, the RABs are so small, directionals are not really visible to folks when they are too busy navigating and exits come up so quickly, it seems counter intuitive to turn on the directional.

Most importantly...........I NEVER EVER trust a turned on directional is truly a signal of intention. This is for RABs and also all other roadways, highways included. I always wait to see the car actually go into the turn or lane change for highway driving to verify that is the actual intention of the driver. Trust then verify is my mantra. I have seen way too many directionals blinking that did not indicate where the driver was actually going. Have you ever seen that? I'm sure you have.

So, long story short....why bother turning on a directional when you can't really trust it anyway? This is defensive driving on overdrive but I much prefer to be safe than sorry.

[Polar Bear]

... only about 10% of the drivers exiting that round-a-bout use their turn signals. I now wonder why. Are they lazy, don't care, or possibly ignorant ??
I would say the answer to your question for most drivers is none-of-the-above. IF...yes...that's an important 'if'...if drivers are doing all the proper things when entering and driving in a roundabout, turn signals are not really necessary.

I know many of you don't agree with that. But if you're yielding to both lanes of the roundabout before entry, and do not drive next to any vehicles within the roundabout, you're already handling the roundabout safely with or without turn signals.

They're simply not necessary UNLESS there is a possible conflict that would have been avoided in the first place with proper roundabout driving.