Glenview Champions Golf Course

[theapeman]

Played Glenview yesterday, before the rain, and found the conditions to be deplorable. The Greens have been poorly patched and are spotted with numerous bare and burnt out areas. Some of the Teeing Areas are in deplorable condition. I've been playing here since the day the course opened and have never seen it worse.

What's the problem? Are the contractors doing the work incompetent? Is Golf Course maintenance money being siphoned off for other purposes, ie course construction in the 466A area?

[ajbrown]

I almost sent a similar post after playing there Sunday. I say similar as without knowing the root cause it is hard to jump to any conclusions.

IMO Glenview has struggled for a while. It has been one of my favorite country clubs for 6+ years. It has a practice facility, great clubhouse overlooking a finishing hole, etc.

The golf managers that I know were not around when I finished. I have played golf with a couple of them and they are golfers (one a pretty competent player) and always very in tune with the conditions, so I was pretty surprised.

Next time I am in I will ask, but at the moment the course is not what you would expect at Glenview

[ncr2482]

I played Glenview on Friday and Saturday...and I agree the course was in terrible shape. The greens were a mess (and haven't been aerated yet) and the fairways were dry and bare in places.. Usually, Glenview is in the best shape of all the courses even in the middle of the summer. Hopefully yesterday's rain will help.

[Pturner]

I hope all of you will report the issue to Glenview. Squeaky wheels...

[Taj44]

I played there this morning, and the greens are absolutely horrible. They were shaggy, the grass looked like it had sprouted in some places. Certainly didn't roll well. The course doesn't drain well, so there were muddy areas in the fairways from recent rain. Not worth the $$ to play there. I did play Palmer Sunday, and it was pristine. To report bad course conditions call Todd Basso at The Villages Golf adminstration office. I've done it in the past - others need to do it as well.

[ricthemic]

I played there this morning, and the greens are absolutely horrible. They were shaggy, the grass looked like it had sprouted in some places. Certainly didn't roll well. The course doesn't drain well, so there were muddy areas in the fairways from recent rain. Not worth the $$ to play there. I did play Palmer Sunday, and it was pristine. To report bad course conditions call Todd Basso at The Villages Golf adminstration office. I've done it in the past - others need to do it as well.

I am sorry, if it takes phone calls for Mr Basso to do his job then IMO he should not have the job. Saw recent post regarding very poor conditions at an executive course where people also said to call Mr Basso. Not sure of his title but if he a director/manager of golf course maintenance he should know the condition of all the courses and not have to be motivated by the "squeaky wheel"

[Bogie Shooter]

Some more information:
Glenview Pros Corner http://golfthevillages.com/championship-golf/pro.asp?course=GLENVIEW
Glenview Maintenance Crew: http://golfthevillages.com/championship-golf/maintenance.asp?course=GLENVIEW
The Glenview Phone number is 753-3345

[graciegirl]

Those links don't work Bogie. It just brings me back here. I don't know why..

Sometimes I have just copied a thread like this and sent it on to the "powers that be".

[actor]

at most of the courses in The Villages. Played Palmer today and would say it's in fair condition. I visited a friend this past weekend who lives in a country club
community in south Florida that has three Jack Nicklaus designed courses, and all three courses blow away anything in The Villages. It's disappointinig to say the least.

[ajbrown]

at most of the courses in The Villages. Played Palmer today and would say it's in fair condition. I visited a friend this past weekend who lives in a country club
community in south Florida that has three Jack Nicklaus designed courses, and all three courses blow away anything in The Villages. It's disappointinig to say the least.

Curious what they pay to play there. We doing apples to apples here?

[Bogie Shooter]

Those links don't work Bogie. It just brings me back here. I don't know why..

Sometimes I have just copied a thread like this and sent it on to the "powers that be".

Try to cut and paste. Most links to TV sites will not work direct. Sorry.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why is it when we have extended periods of hot weather, cold weather, lack of rain you can almost predict that the whining about how "poor" the golf course conditions are will be posted here. This happened during the latter part of the sever cold weather in January and February when the ranting was posted here......3- 4 weeks later just the opposite was being posted (or the lack of any comments). Interesting that one poster says Palmer is pristine and another says it is poor.

[actor]

Curious what they pay to play there. We doing apples to apples here?

They pay a lot for golf. 89K to join and 12K a year for dues. And their courses don't get as much traffic as the courses in The Villages. Their greens are much faster than ours. I like playing the courses here, and most are in decent shape, Glenview not withstanding. I don't think any of the country clubs here are in great shape, however.

[Mikeod]

When I lived in SoCal, our greenskeeper would get angry comments about this time of year when he reduced watering to kill off the overseeded grasses on the fairways and greens. This allowed the bermuda to take over more easily. So, for a while, the course looked like a bad muny. As soon as the overseed died, he increased water and fertilizer and the bermuda took off.
Mike :shrug:

[ricthemic]

Why is it when we have extended periods of hot weather, cold weather, lack of rain you can almost predict that the whining about how "poor" the golf course conditions are will be posted here. This happened during the latter part of the sever cold weather in January and February when the ranting was posted here......3- 4 weeks later just the opposite was being posted (or the lack of any comments). Interesting that one poster says Palmer is pristine and another says it is poor.

good post but I have a few comments
1. extended periods of lack of rain causing poor conditions.... that is why they have irrigation systems
2. original poster and subsequent posters paid forty plus dollars per round. I am not sure "whining" is appropriate here. check out the restaurant section, are people whining if the service and food quality are bad? I think "upset" is the operative word. but like others say that is just my opinion

[Taj44]

good post but I have a few comments
1. extended periods of lack of rain causing poor conditions.... that is why they have irrigation systems
2. original poster and subsequent posters paid forty plus dollars per round. I am not sure "whining" is appropriate here. check out the restaurant section, are people whining if the service and food quality are bad? I think "upset" is the operative word. but like others say that is just my opinion

I agree that when one complains about service that one expects to get, that one has paid for, that it is not whining. Upset, yes, ticked off, yes. The thing is, The Villages advertises itself as a golfing community. We bought into this place because we were promised good golfing conditions. If you look at The Villages website it says: " Unlike many “executive courses” outside The Villages, ours are maintained at a high standard." Of course, we have come to realize that this year, anyways, that is a crock. The Executive courses in general have been in poor condition, and the Championship courses have been hit and miss. As has been posted other times, Orange Blossom has deteriorated from what it was a year or two ago, Tierra is lousy, and now Glenview, which used to be terrific. You can call it whining if you want, but I think its stupid for someone to pay money to play on a crap course. And I think it is stupid for people to put up with bad service i.e. bad course conditions. Todd Basso has seemed receptive, and has said that there is a big push on to improve golf course conditions. In my opinion, it doesn't hurt to let him know about courses that seem to be getting worse instead of better. Looking at things realistically, he is an administrator. I'm not sure how much he gets out into the field. As far as blaming it on the weather, this has been discussed ad nauseum in previous posts, and even Mr. Basso admitted that there are maintenance problems that are at issue to blame in large part for the poor conditions. Trying to call someone's attention to existing problems is called "being a good consumer" in my book.

[Pturner]

I agree that when one complains about service that one expects to get, that one has paid for, that it is not whining. Upset, yes, ticked off, yes. The thing is, The Villages advertises itself as a golfing community. We bought into this place because we were promised good golfing conditions. If you look at The Villages website it says: " Unlike many “executive courses” outside The Villages, ours are maintained at a high standard." Of course, we have come to realize that this year, anyways, that is a crock. The Executive courses in general have been in poor condition, and the Championship courses have been hit and miss. As has been posted other times, Orange Blossom has deteriorated from what it was a year or two ago, Tierra is lousy, and now Glenview, which used to be terrific. You can call it whining if you want, but I think its stupid for someone to pay money to play on a crap course. And I think it is stupid for people to put up with bad service i.e. bad course conditions. Todd Basso has seemed receptive, and has said that there is a big push on to improve golf course conditions. In my opinion, it doesn't hurt to let him know about courses that seem to be getting worse instead of better. Looking at things realistically, he is an administrator. I'm not sure how much he gets out into the field. As far as blaming it on the weather, this has been discussed ad nauseum in previous posts, and even Mr. Basso admitted that there are maintenance problems that are at issue to blame in large part for the poor conditions. Trying to call someone's attention to existing problems is called "being a good consumer" in my book.

:agree:

I think it works best when people report the issue respectfully, ask questions and let admins know that we want and expect better for our community. Expressing anger often is less effective as it is more likely to me met with defensiveness. But speaking up about poor conditions and trying to affect positive change is not whining!

[Bogie Shooter]

:agree:

I think it works best when people report the issue respectfully, ask questions and let admins know that we want and expect better for our community. Expressing anger often is less effective as it is more likely to me met with defensiveness. But speaking up about poor conditions and trying to affect positive change is not whining!
OK, I retract whining. And I agree speaking up is the thing to do.........not on TOTV but to the people who can make changes!

[ajbrown]

For me this thread is not all about whining. The reason I post to a thread like this to make other golfers who enjoy the championship courses aware.

IMO this is not the same as getting bad service at a restaurant or a poorly prepared meal. In that case you may be the only person who knows and need to chat with management. Others at the same restaurant may be getting good service and in fact you may get a good meal at the same place tomorrow :).

Glenview will not be good tomorrow, or IMO at least 2-3 weeks if the figure out the issue, so a thread like this could help folks with their tee times.

My compliant is not about golf in TV as a whole. The other courses I have played recently at TV fit my expectations (Palmer and Tierra).

I agree we should be sure they are taking the conditions seriously, but that IMO is not the only value of a thread like this.

[Taj44]

For me this thread is not all about whining. The reason I post to a thread like this to make other golfers who enjoy the championship courses aware.

IMO this is not the same as getting bad service at a restaurant or a poorly prepared meal. In that case you may be the only person who knows and need to chat with management. Others at the same restaurant may be getting good service and in fact you may get a good meal at the same place tomorrow :).

Glenview will not be good tomorrow, or IMO at least 2-3 weeks if the figure out the issue, so a thread like this could help folks with their tee times.

My compliant is not about golf in TV as a whole. The other courses I have played recently at TV fit my expectations (Palmer and Tierra).

I agree we should be sure they are taking the conditions seriously, but that IMO is not the only value of a thread like this.

I agree.