The "garage house" in Tall Trees

[Madelaine Amee]

The unmentionable online newspaper has a view of the finished monster garage which ARC has allowed to be built in Tall Trees.

I have no dog in this fight. I do not live in Tall Trees. I never ever have a need to go through there, but oh my goodness how on earth did the owner get the ARC to give permission for this monstrosity to be built on the end of his existing home and garage. They have opened a Pandora's box for sure! I hope, for their neighborhood's sake, that the landscaping will be sufficient to hide most of this monster.

I am somewhat surprised that the neighbors have not resorted to legal action.

[Arctic Fox]

I hear NASA has applied to use it as a Vehicle Assembly Building

[ColdNoMore]

I hear NASA has applied to use it as a Vehicle Assembly Building

How will they utilize the leftover...unused area in the garage though?



:D

[JoMar]

Actually think it looks ok....I bet there are a lot of folks that wish they had the extra room. As long as they are within the setbacks and aren't infringing on others property enhancing how one lives is up to us. If it's legal, it's legal. I also have no dog in this hunt, I just don't understand the issue unless it's envy.

[Chi-Town]

Now there's room for a good sized coach house above it. Second stories have been approved.


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[RedChariot]

Actually think it looks ok....I bet there are a lot of folks that wish they had the extra room. As long as they are within the setbacks and aren't infringing on others property enhancing how one lives is up to us. If it's legal, it's legal. I also have no dog in this hunt, I just don't understand the issue unless it's envy.

I do agree. From the beginning I have thought, "what's the big deal?" I wish I could create more space.

[Velvet]

There is room there for a neighborhood party when it’s raining.

[Marathon Man]

Actually think it looks ok....I bet there are a lot of folks that wish they had the extra room. As long as they are within the setbacks and aren't infringing on others property enhancing how one lives is up to us. If it's legal, it's legal. I also have no dog in this hunt, I just don't understand the issue unless it's envy.

I don't think that it's envy. The neighbors feel that this house now stands out as being very different, and thus unterupts the homogenous nature of the neighborhood. The same thing happened when a house was being expeanded on the historic side. I don't believe that they are bad people acting out of ill feeling.

[Villagevip]

I like it a lot..Money talks, and B.S. walks... Think it's for midnight basketball, you know keeping kids off the streets...

[Taltarzac725]

The owners must have some hobbies? Looks like more garage than house. But live and let live. Hardly something to get upset about.

[Velvet]

I am really curious what they are going to do with monster garage? Beside upsetting the neighbors.

[Joeint]

I bet they have white crosses out front too.


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[Velvet]

Aha, you’re thinking they are going to hold services in the garage?
Didn’t know what the white crosses in TV represented before I thought something was buried in the ground a pet etc. But I think it is simply a Christian symbol, much better than what we have up north in some neighborhoods. For example, a huge statue of some Christian saint with a couple of blue life size Smurfs beside it for the kids. Roses with sunflowers planted side by side.... What’s a little white cross in comparison....

[retiredguy123]

I think it looks fine. I wouldn't have a problem with it.

[kilowatt]

Met this gentleman in a restaurant a few months ago and he`s always been into cars and talked about them with much enthusiasm. Now he has a place for them. Did this legally so good for him. He seemed like a very nice person.

[EdFNJ]

I am really curious what they are going to do with monster garage? Beside upsetting the neighbors.
Maybe he restores classic vehicles or runs a golf cart dealership from his home. It looks better than the home that had a 2nd story added by my sister's house in Gilchrist.

[Velvet]

Up north we have for the 2 of us; 5 motorcycles, one is a large touring bike, that bike alone takes up the space of half a car. Plus 2 scooters in our garage, and a parts scooter. That is besides 2 cars. What would be really nice is to have a garage like a friend of ours who fixes them. He has white cloth under the bikes even when he changes the oil, everything is so clean you could eat off the floor. Only one of our bikes is coming to TV (I hope). But since hubby let me buy a home here I have to make him happy too. As far as the monster garage goes, as bad as it looks, I can easily see lots of uses for such a large garage.

[retiredguy123]

Actually think it looks ok....I bet there are a lot of folks that wish they had the extra room. As long as they are within the setbacks and aren't infringing on others property enhancing how one lives is up to us. If it's legal, it's legal. I also have no dog in this hunt, I just don't understand the issue unless it's envy.
Thank you for changing it from "no dog in this fight" to "no dog in this hunt". Dogfighting is a felony.

[Velvet]

No - it does not look ok, in my opinion it does not fit into the neighborhood. I say this even if I am envious of all the space this garage represents. I’d rather have the goodwill of my neighbors myself, just sayin.

[DangeloInspections]

No guy ever said that their garage was too big. Storage space is a premium here....and I am sure that this has increased the value of his home quite a bit.

In the Preserve the Villages is starting to build attached RV garages. In other nearby communities these are becoming very popular. Now those are big garages.

I have also seen additions that have been 2 story garages with car lifts in them so you could drive a car under a car. These lifts have gotten to be inexpensive so if you have the space/height they are quite desirable.

In my previous community just outside The Villages, I designed and built myself a second attached garage...the only one in the neighborhood. It was proportioned well and fit nicely on the lot. I never heard even one negative comment. Since I did all the work myself, it cost me about 10-12k to do it. I sold that home for well over 50,000 more than any other home in the neighborhood, largely because of that extra garage space.

I understand everyone's feelings on this....on one hand you do not want every home to look exactly alike, and you also do not want an eyesore. I personally think this is well within those extremes.

Frank

[justjim]

The garage addition is approved by ARC and is already built. Folks are “beating a dead horse”. Another way to put it “BOY howdy” it’s a done deal. I seriously think landscaping will make a difference just as landscaping makes an improvement to any property.

[Velvet]

The garage addition is approved by ARC and is already built. Folks are “beating a dead horse”. Another way to put it “BOY howdy” it’s a done deal. I seriously think landscaping will make a difference just as landscaping makes an improvement to any property.

This garage is built that is true. But whether other such garages will be built - that is where it makes a difference what the Village home owners think of it.

[Nucky]

It was approved it’s built and will get landscaped soon. It looks great. Congratulations to the owner of the beautiful home. Glad you hung in there against all the opposition. Enjoy your home in the way you see fit.

[Kenswing]

No guy ever said that their garage was too big. Storage space is a premium here....and I am sure that this has increased the value of his home quite a bit.

In the Preserve the Villages is starting to build attached RV garages. In other nearby communities these are becoming very popular. Now those are big garages.

I have also seen additions that have been 2 story garages with car lifts in them so you could drive a car under a car. These lifts have gotten to be inexpensive so if you have the space/height they are quite desirable.

In my previous community just outside The Villages, I designed and built myself a second attached garage...the only one in the neighborhood. It was proportioned well and fit nicely on the lot. I never heard even one negative comment. Since I did all the work myself, it cost me about 10-12k to do it. I sold that home for well over 50,000 more than any other home in the neighborhood, largely because of that extra garage space.

I understand everyone's feelings on this....on one hand you do not want every home to look exactly alike, and you also do not want an eyesore. I personally think this is well within those extremes.

Frank
Yep. Where I currently live the shop is usually bigger than the house and built first. lol

It's kinda like having a big deck.. lol

Big Deck - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz82fjXqFQ4)

[Taltarzac725]

Lynnhaven is close to Tall Trees so I will have to golf cart by this home to check it out.

There are not a whole lot of houses in Tall Trees that I recall.

[Chi-Town]

The owner has hired a landscaping company and there will be a Bougainvillea , a Weeping Bottle Brush , and a Laura Pendulum tree along with an11-inch wall and rock beddings. We should judge after the finished product.

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[Taltarzac725]

The owner has hired a landscaping company and there will be a Bougainvillea , a Weeping Bottle Brush , and a Laura Pendulum tree along with an11-inch wall and rock beddings. We should judge after the finished product.

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Very few people would ever if see this home as it is a very out-of-the-way section of Tall Trees. Just the immediate neighbors would probably see it.

[John_W]

If that house in Tall Trees offends you, then don't go to the Village of Pinellas, especially the street of Isleworth Circle. One house has a 9 car garage, the others have 3 to 5 car garages. The only photo I could find of Isleworth Circle was a home with a 5 car garage. Those on the southside might remember it was hit by lighting and burned down in 2013 and smoke could be seen for miles. They rebuilt the home, here is a photo right after the lightning strike, you can see part of the garages. From what I've heard, they have every toy in the garage, SUV's, boat, jet skis, ATV's, motorcycles and he had air tanks in the ceiling so he could just pull down a hose and inflate the tires of any vehicle while it was in the garage.

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'd like to see what the house looks like from the perspective of someone standing on the street with that little porch bench directly in front of them. The perspective of the photo in this thread (and at the Villages "news" site) of course looks like a monster of mostly garage, tiny home. It was set up to look that way on purpose, to really play up the garage part, and the unfinished driveway, and total lack of landscaping.

While it's obvious that this guy's garage is enormous, it also means he could easily convert his golf garage into a step-down (or ramped, for handicap accessibility) TV room of the house itself, and make the normal car garage part into a combination laundry/golf cart garage/workshop. And then the big huge new add-on part could become a garage large enough for a tall pickup truck and a normal car, with plenty of room to get in and out, and even a handi-van if someone disabled moves in.

[CFrance]

Maybe he restores classic vehicles or runs a golf cart dealership from his home. It looks better than the home that had a 2nd story added by my sister's house in Gilchrist.
See post #5. More second stories to come.


Approved or not, I think the house is ugly. More garage than house. But to each his own, as long as there is approval. I'm glad I don't live there, and I wouldn't buy there around that place.

[EdFNJ]

Like @Jazuela stated, the photo really seems to be "stretching" it a bit (pun intended). You can make lots of things look bigger than they are with the right (or wrong) angle on the photo. ;)

[New Englander]

Personally, I think it's ugly and the garage addition is way out of proportion to the house and way out of proportion to the neighborhood. If I were on the ARC I would never approve that. But they did, so it stays.

[Nucky]

We were just out but not wondering around aimlessly this time we were on the hunt for this "Garage" house. Well, we had an assist from one of our NOTHING thread Brothers who is also our Counselor while we were on the hunt. You have to try hard to see it so it won't be traumatizing many Villagers.

I have a picture on my phone that is approximately equal to the one that is posted online. Without meaning to be disrespectful to anyone with the opposite view from mine I would just like to know how long you will be visiting earth? The pictures in no way represent the reality of seeing it in person.

What is the motivation behind badgering the owner of this home? It certainly can't be the looks of the house. The only thing that could make it perfect IMHO is if the Garage Doors were Three Then Two Then One from the front door to the corner on the right. Once this house has the landscaping completed it will be a SuperStar in a Fantastic Neighborhood. It didn't bring down the value of anyone's home. In fact, it probably will raise the neighboring homes a bit. I saw some other "things" going on in the same neighborhood and those things had a Permit Box Out Front. So its' time to clam up about those other projects because they have been approved. It's time to let this OWNER enjoy his home in Peace and Quiet! Get a Life. Go find someone with a White Cross! (Joking).

[Altavia]

That's my kind of neighbor, probably has nice tools to borrow :-) As others have said, to each his own.

[Altavia]

Here's one in my current neighborhood (not The Villages). Intended for an RV or stacking vehicles on a lift as mentioned previously.

I thought it was a Fire Station when first moved in.:)

[manaboutown]

I wonder if the ARC would approve a house like this? It was near where I once lived in Pittsford, NY. Mushroom House (http://www.mushroomhouse.com/)

Or this. Nob Hill house makes 'Strangest Roadside Attraction' list (https://www.krqe.com/news/nob-hill-house-makes-strangest-roadside-attraction-list/)

True story. Captain Kirk (William Shatner) was in ABQ in a cab on his way to the airport, spied the house, stopped the cab and went and rang the doorbell. When the architect-owner, Bart Prince, responded through the intercom Shatner said “Beam me up Scotty.” Prince recognized the voice, invited Shatner up and they had a nice visit.

Now from what I have read the owner of the garage house owns a couple other houses in TV. He surely is an interesting person. I wonder what kind of fun toys he will put into his garage.

[theorem painter]

I wonder if the ARC would approve a house like this? Mushroom House (http://www.mushroomhouse.com/)

I went on a tour of this house and it was beyond belief.

[Chi-Town]

We were just out but not wondering around aimlessly this time we were on the hunt for this "Garage" house. Well, we had an assist from one of our NOTHING thread Brothers who is also our Counselor while we were on the hunt. You have to try hard to see it so it won't be traumatizing many Villagers.

I have a picture on my phone that is approximately equal to the one that is posted online. Without meaning to be disrespectful to anyone with the opposite view from mine I would just like to know how long you will be visiting earth? The pictures in no way represent the reality of seeing it in person.

What is the motivation behind badgering the owner of this home? It certainly can't be the looks of the house. The only thing that could make it perfect IMHO is if the Garage Doors were Three Then Two Then One from the front door to the corner on the right. Once this house has the landscaping completed it will be a SuperStar in a Fantastic Neighborhood. It didn't bring down the value of anyone's home. In fact, it probably will raise the neighboring homes a bit. I saw some other "things" going on in the same neighborhood and those things had a Permit Box Out Front. So its' time to clam up about those other projects because they have been approved. It's time to let this OWNER enjoy his home in Peace and Quiet! Get a Life. Go find someone with a White Cross! (Joking).

Good detective work Nucky. Spot on!

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[Velvet]

Maybe in the new area there could be a special section, called Garage St and have all the people who love large garages and lots of toys, all live there.

[Nucky]

Good detective work Nucky. Spot on!

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Thanks Chi. I love our entire Community. I have a healthy interest in some of the things I read about on TOTV'S. I would Stand On My Head and Spit Chicklets to have a Home like that again. But then I remember I have a hard time keeping up with what we have and become grateful for what we have.

The guy with the Porch in Country Club Hills is my next destination ASAP. I may have seen it already and if its the one I'm thinking of it is an improvement, not a drawback. Maybe the man made a mistake with the paperwork but don't execute him for it. Work it out. Compromise is Possible. Clark Kent & Lois Lane over and out! :1rotfl:

[Midnight Cowgirl]

If that house in Tall Trees offends you, then don't go to the Village of Pinellas, especially the street of Isleworth Circle. One house has a 9 car garage, the others have 3 to 5 car garages. The only photo I could find of Isleworth Circle was a home with a 5 car garage. Those on the southside might remember it was hit by lighting and burned down in 2013 and smoke could be seen for miles. They rebuilt the home, here is a photo right after the lightning strike, you can see part of the garages. From what I've heard, they have every toy in the garage, SUV's, boat, jet skis, ATV's, motorcycles and he had air tanks in the ceiling so he could just pull down a hose and inflate the tires of any vehicle while it was in the garage.

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I was a neighbor down the street from this house.
No, they didn't have every toy in the garage but what they did have was an old truck and cars. That was the owner's hobby.

[manaboutown]

Thanks Chi. I love our entire Community. I have a healthy interest in some of the things I read about on TOTV'S. I would Stand On My Head and Spit Chicklets to have a Home like that again. But then I remember I have a hard time keeping up with what we have and become grateful for what we have.

The guy with the Porch in Country Club Hills is my next destination ASAP. I may have seen it already and if its the one I'm thinking of it is an improvement, not a drawback. Maybe the man made a mistake with the paperwork but don't execute him for it. Work it out. Compromise is Possible. Clark Kent & Lois Lane over and out! :1rotfl:

What truly bothered me was a short time ago disabled vet could not widen his driveway a foot or two on each side in an aesthetically pleasing manner so he could get in and out of his vehicle with his prosthetic leg. Yet this is approved. Inconsistency? Yes indeed.

[ColdNoMore]

What truly bothered me was a short time ago disabled vet could not widen his driveway a foot or two on each side in an aesthetically pleasing manner so he could get in and out of his vehicle with his prosthetic leg. Yet this is approved. Inconsistency? Yes indeed.
It seems that one needs to know whose palms to grease...or butt(s) to kiss. :ohdear:

While there are a lot of Tony Soprano wannabe's around here, some have real power (like being on the ARC)...and some just flap their lips. :ho:

I agree that not allowing a disabled vet to ease his mobility, by widening a driveway by a couple of feet...is unconscionable. :mad:

[PennBF]

I am not concerned about the very specific complaints but rather (1) Does it meet the "Intent" of the rules on buildings in the villages and (2) if not how did it slip by the Review Controls and (3) what impact will this have on future buildings? These should be under study and where appropriate the restrictions better defined and better enforced. In Stuart Florida a builder actually built a complex of multiple condo's, rented some and sold some. Long after they were built and rented and sold a Judge stepped in and ruled they were not in compliance with approval requirements and ruled they must be torn down and they were. That is what is needed if rules are ignored and blatantly violated. :ohdear:

[Two Bills]

What truly bothered me was a short time ago disabled vet could not widen his driveway a foot or two on each side in an aesthetically pleasing manner so he could get in and out of his vehicle with his prosthetic leg. Yet this is approved. Inconsistency? Yes indeed.

I agree the gentleman should be allowed the wider driveway, and what he has had done is in keeping with the area.
The difference between the two cases was, the garage man obtained relevant permission before building, but the driveway widening was completed without consent, and when one of his charming neighbors complained, he was instructed to remove it.
That decision is another debate.
Moral of story is, get the permission first, and after completion, you can give the moaners any sign you like!

[Bay Kid]

You can never have enough garage space!

[karostay]

Nice addition very eye appealing. Hope the rest of community clean up there properties some eye sores just a few doors down

[Marathon Man]

I agree the gentleman should be allowed the wider driveway, and what he has had done is in keeping with the area.
The difference between the two cases was, the garage man obtained relevant permission before building, but the driveway widening was completed without consent, and when one of his charming neighbors complained, he was instructed to remove it.
That decision is another debate.
Moral of story is, get the permission first, and after completion, you can give the moaners any sign you like!

The other difference, and more importantly - Both sides were widened. Part of the deed restrictions of patio villas forbids concrete to be poured on the side facing your neighbor. Approval can not be given, before or after.

Another moral. Do not add to the job once approval is given. Anything added is not approved and may end up being un-approvable. That is what happened. Approval obtained for one side - decided to both sides after contractor gave him a "while I'm here" a discount.

The original driveway was wide enough for a car and a golf cart to sit side by side.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I do agree. From the beginning I have thought, "what's the big deal?" I wish I could create more space.

I agree. Too many people worry about too many things that really don't affect them. It's a big garage in your neighborhood. So what? It looks like it was part of the original house. I think it looks fine and would have no problem with it being built next to me.

We have a wonderful life here in the Villages. I don't understand why people want ruing their lives worrying about little things like this.

[manaboutown]

I wonder if he is into auto racing of some sort. A man I have known since childhood, with his neighbors’ approval built a four car garage behind his modest tract home. He builds supercharged Ford flathead V8s and drag races them. His garage has a dynometer in it which he runs engines on from time to time. I wonder what the neighbors think of the noise. Here is a video of an engine being run on one (not his). DYNO-mite – Engine Dynamometer Demo Video (https://www.dynomitedynamometer.com/dyno/dyno-test-video.htm)

Here is his website for any of you flathead enthusiasts.
Roadrunner Engineering - Home - Supercharge Your Ford Flathead (http://roadrunnerengineering.com/)

[Nucky]

What truly bothered me was a short time ago disabled vet could not widen his driveway a foot or two on each side in an aesthetically pleasing manner so he could get in and out of his vehicle with his prosthetic leg. Yet this is approved. Inconsistency? Yes indeed.

Are there any Threads on TOTV'S about this situation that occurred with a Veteran? I looked and didn't find one but did find one from Village Tinker from 2016 warning about the common misunderstandings about the paperwork involved in any improvement.

I did speak with my son last night who is presently in points unknown overseas and asked him if another Vet who moved in next to him in the Family Section, Oxford Oaks and violated a rule about an addition to his house what exactly would his next move be. His reply was simple. If the man or woman was a good neighbor they could build a Silo in the back yard. If they were a Nudge it would be game on.

As a Non-Vet, I am inclined to support most Vets in action, not words. I do seem to remember this happening a while back within the last year but would love to read more about it. I wasn't lazy I really looked. Manabouttown I don't think you needed to post any link as we are just talking here and even though links and proof are commanded by some I don't think they are always needed between people who are just discussing a bad situation.

What was the bottom line end of the story here? Did he place the Concrete and have to rip it up? If he lived next to us he could have used our driveway instead of going thru the expense and headaches and frustration he seemed to have experienced.

This situation is a long way from a Beautiful Garage on a Beautiful House In a Majorly Beautiful Neighborhood. Speculating on a Dyno Tuning facility being installed is also a little excessive although if the reason for the entire problem here was personal then I think you just gave the owner of the house a great idea to even the score.

The other post about ripping an entire home down in unbelievable, I believe it but WOW.

I want to reserve my thoughts for now about alleged Payolla and the Soprano comment as I don't know for a fact that Butt Smooching or Favoritism is a fact in getting the proper documents to construct things in the south. I searched for that also and couldn't come up with any Thread. I could carry that further but don't want to be unkind or lose my posting priveledges on TOTV'S as some others have.

Have a Great Day! :)

[ColdNoMore]

What truly bothered me was a short time ago disabled vet could not widen his driveway a foot or two on each side in an aesthetically pleasing manner so he could get in and out of his vehicle with his prosthetic leg. Yet this is approved. Inconsistency? Yes indeed.


It was a simple search to find the articles regarding the ARC, denying driveway extensions to TWO veterans...completed without prior ARC approval. :oops:

One was dated March 15, 2019 and one April 12, 2019 (both on the site that can't be mentioned)...so no links.

Here's what the 3/15 article says;

A couple that lives in the Hallandale Villas has won another extension to keep their out-of-compliance driveway.

The Community Development District 8 Board of Supervisors agreed Friday to give Purple Heart recipient Kevin McCabe and his wife, Jean, six more months as they fight to keep their extended driveway.

McCabe served in Vietnam from 1966 to 1967 and was seriously injured when he stepped on a land mine. He and other aging and physically challenged residents of the Hallandale Villas ran afoul of Community Standards after they extended their driveways without approval from the Architectural Review Committee.

They were ordered to bring their driveways into compliance.

Other homeowners gave up the fight, but the McCabes in November won a 60-day extension as they continue to pursue a discrimination claim through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, based on Kevin McCabe’s disabilities, which are a result of his military service. In January they were granted another extension.

After the meeting, the McCabes said they are determined to fight on.


The 4/12 article says;

He said he had the pavers installed to extend his courtyard driveway, claiming that his hip injury requires him to use a smooth surface while getting in and out of his vehicles. And he told supervisors that he can’t fit his golf cart, vehicle and other items, like a refrigerator and tool box, in his garage at one time and still easily enter his house.

Prior to the installing the pavers, Hite had submitted a request to the Architectural Review Committee. But after discussing the ARC’s purview and the prohibition regarding courtyard villas, Hite withdrew his ARC application with the understanding that he would have a hearing in front of CDD 4 supervisors, according to Community Standards Manager Candice Dennis.

Hite’s request fell under the Fair Housing Act, which meant supervisors had to remain very focused with their ruling. District Manager Richard Baier and District Counsel Valerie Fuchs both cautioned supervisors that they could only consider Hite’s request for an accommodation involving the need for the pavers, not whether it’s inconvenient to shift vehicles around to get in and out of his garage and driveway.

Hite told supervisors that not having the pavers will put an unnecessary strain on him when entering and exiting his vehicles.

“My right leg does not bend due to my injuries, causing me to pull or push myself up on the seat,” the former Army sergeant said. “Doing this on anything other than a smooth surface could cause me to have a slip or fall.”

After asking several questions, supervisors voted to deny Hite’s request while allowing him time to resubmit his application with more information that could help them make a favorable decision.

After the meeting, Hite suggested that supervisors should visit his home and see exactly what he’s talking about. He said not being able to fit his golf cart in his garage and exit the vehicle safely remains a concern. And he vowed to put together more information and come back before CDD 4 supervisors at a later date.


Here's photo's that accompanied both articles and hoping these veterans, get to keep their well-done and nice looking...widened driveways. :ho:

[ColdNoMore]

P.S. - My "search" was done using plain old Google...not a specific site's search function. :ho:

[Taltarzac725]

I drove by this home and there are a lot of twists and turns involved just to get way back there in Tall Trees.

[dewilson58]

I drove by this home and there are a lot of twists and turns involved just to get way back there in Tall Trees.




I was going to drive by next week on my way to suck down some Bang Bang Shrimp...............sounds complicated to me, I might pass.


:ohdear:

[manaboutown]

I drove by this home and there are a lot of twists and turns involved just to get way back there in Tall Trees.

Sounds like it might not become part of the Trolley Tour as it would take so much time to get to it and then back out.

[dewilson58]

I just looked on Google Maps.................It is in such a remote location, not much traffic. This whole mess effects a dozen neighbors.


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[manaboutown]

I just looked on Google Maps.................It is in such a remote location, not much traffic. This whole mess effects a dozen neighbors.


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Tempest in a teapot.

[Nucky]

So at this point am I correct that my searches on TOTV'S about the Veterans Concrete Problems were not found in a search on TOTV'S? Good! I do not know of this other search spot as I am Faithful to TOTV'S and searched here because this is where the conversation is going on. I also notice that the THREAD IS ABOUT A GARAGE IN TALL TREES. I believe a NEW THREAD should have been started about the PROBLEMS that OUR VETERANS HAVE FACED.

That being said it appears that the Perry Masonry investigation about this extra situation (Vets) came to no conclusion as of this junction??? Correct??? Good!!

I think we can all agree that when it comes to someone who risked it all for us and our country that they (Those In Charge) should do everything possible to accommodate every injured Veteran when it is reasonable! This seems reasonable.

The Tony Soprano comment when not used in a Jocular fashion is a slur against Italians. The wonderful fun loving fantastic Italians who have passed through and are in my life would take offense to the idea that they are crooked, they are not. If it was joking that would be different. I don't think it was a joke.

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[Ladygolfer93]

Agreed !Certainly not something I'd take up my time on earth getting upset about ! ! I mean it is their lot/property. If they wanted to build on a home business, that would be a concern (parking especially, really difficult now with all the lawn people and large trailers, etc.)

[jeriteri]

I think it looks good. They did a good job with design. That's probably why it got approved. It' too bad he has to now live there with upset neighbors, who wants that?

[juscause]

Totally agree.

[dionline]

After hearing about what a monstrosity it is, I think it looks really good. The architect and contractor really did a good job in marrying the two sections. Since the homeowner has a larger lot, I see no issues with this at all. And no, I wouldn't mind living across the street from this home and seeing it every day. Excellent work all around!!

[tgodfryd]

Absolutely love it. Garage space I would like to have

[mamckennon]

The unmentionable online newspaper has a view of the finished monster garage which ARC has allowed to be built in Tall Trees.

I have no dog in this fight. I do not live in Tall Trees. I never ever have a need to go through there, but oh my goodness how on earth did the owner get the ARC to give permission for this monstrosity to be built on the end of his existing home and garage. They have opened a Pandora's box for sure! I hope, for their neighborhood's sake, that the landscaping will be sufficient to hide most of this monster.

I am somewhat surprised that the neighbors have not resorted to legal action.
I am jealous!

[ColdNoMore]

A lot of the neighborhood whiners, are probably afflicted with SGE (small garage envy). :D

He's obviously living, rent free...in their heads. :ohdear:

[odyboys7]

He must not be happy where he stores his motor home. This looks like a garage built to store a motor home.

[Sbrothnj]

Kudos to that homeowner. It was done tastefully and in keeping with the style and architecture of the rest of the house and neighborhood. Coming from the north, where finished or unfinished basements are the norm, I really miss the extra storage and craft or workshop or gathering space. I, frankly, do speak from jealousy. If the property size allows it, and it fits the style, more power to him/her. I dont doubt that that will be a hot property when it goes up for sale at some future date. Incidentally, precedent may have already been set with the 7 homes with outsized Recreational Vehicle garages added on.

[PennBF]

What is the usage for such a large garage. If for parking your cars or golf carts who cares. If it is for an active business then it is in violation of the rules and neighbor's have every right to be upset. What was used for Architecture Board review and approval??:popcorn:

[Nancy Alexander]

From the picture posted, it doesn’t look anywhere nearly as bad as I thought it would.

[Jbmrtinker]

I think it's great that someone with the need went through the right channels to expand their garage. If it bothers you don't drive by it. Not everyone plays golf.

[sajoe]

I've seen this house and can not understand how it was approved by ARC and the house with a widened driveway is in violation. I don't consider this about envy but "protecting" all of our property was what I thought was the purpose the ARC was for? Does the developer have no control over all the CDD ARCs regarding purpose and uniformity or was this just an oversight?

[RobbieAxton]

I agree. I don’t mind the extra width but the height competes with this residential community. It should never have been allowed in this neighborhood.

[Chi-Town]

He must not be happy where he stores his motor home. This looks like a garage built to store a motor home.Hardly a motor home garage. If you visit Harmeswood or Bridgeport at Miona Shores you can see what they look like and were Villages approved.

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[Bill1701]

The garage was approved and doesn't infringe on anyone else's property. Many of us wish our garages were bigger.

[robinlyn3]

Does anyone know what the address is or what street the two-story house in Gilchrist is on? I’m curious as to how well it fits in?

[THUNDERCHIEF]

So its different-- so what, every home in the villages looks like the other one-- i would love to have room for that garage

[BWHollo]

Good for them. I want more garage space and wished I could do the same.

[jfkilduff]

If it’s within the property owners property building lines it’s no ones business

[robinsdw2]

You know how they got it through, the guy has deep pockets and money talks.

[Marathon Man]

If it’s within the property owners property building lines it’s no ones business

This is a deed restricted community. There is a reason for deed restrictions. Good reasons.

[Marathon Man]

You know how they got it through, the guy has deep pockets and money talks.

The ARC is made up of residents of TV. Just what are you suggesting?

[Marathon Man]

I agree. I don’t mind the extra width but the height competes with this residential community. It should never have been allowed in this neighborhood.

The approval of the height surprises me also. I can understand why neighbors don't like it. Unfortunately, the deed is done.

[airstreamingypsy]

It's my understanding that the owner bought the extra large corner lot, then got approval to build the garages. My advice to his neighbors is quit stressing over something you can't do anything about. If he starts running a repair shop out of it, then you have a legitimate gripe. I have never seen where people fight over how a house in the neighborhood looks because they don't like it. Most people just think to themselves, "man that house is ugly" It's not your house, you don't have to like it.

[Velvet]

When you buy a property, you buy the district around it. That is why I bought in an already established area. I’m not so good at visualizing other peoples’ dreams so I can’t buy what I don’t see. If my neighbor went all monster beside me I’d expect compensation from whoever allowed it to happen because that is not what I bought into. The rules exist to allow you to have a certain expectation. I don’t buy that it is a done deal, what was done can be undone. Maybe this particular garage is not so bad but ARC should be put on notice about it.

[Aces4]

It's my understanding that the owner bought the extra large corner lot, then got approval to build the garages. My advice to his neighbors is quit stressing over something you can't do anything about. If he starts running a repair shop out of it, then you have a legitimate gripe. I have never seen where people fight over how a house in the neighborhood looks because they don't like it. Most people just think to themselves, "man that house is ugly" It's not your house, you don't have to like it.

One huge problem with that philosophy is the value of surrounding homes just dropped because people find it an eyesore. You have a very small market of people who would want to live next to it and that may be someone who hopes to rent. Perhaps making reparations to the homeowners for loss of home value would make the situation more tolerable to them.

Grandstanding is in the eye of the beholder. Neighbors are upset by this addition and they have the right to an opinion and they appear to have first hand knowledge...........

[JohnnyBAngel]

Do not criticize something about which you lack knowledge. Simply grandstanding..........

[EdFNJ]

Does anyone know what the address is or what street the two-story house in Gilchrist is on? I’m curious as to how well it fits in?



It's on Amherst. About half way to the end. Not sure of number but it's not easy to miss. LOL. Been a porta-john in front for what seems like a year. The house looks over golf course.


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[coastalnh]

Perhaps it was constructed to house a taller vehicle, like a class B RV. I don't see a reason to stop them. They own their land and should be able to house all their vehicles on it.

[inda50]

Wish I had a bigger garage !!!!!

[txfan]

This is so much better than the cookie-cutter 3-2 houses/floorplans almost everywhere else in The Villages, IMO.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When you buy a property, you buy the district around it. That is why I bought in an already established area. I’m not so good at visualizing other peoples’ dreams so I can’t buy what I don’t see. If my neighbor went all monster beside me I’d expect compensation from whoever allowed it to happen because that is not what I bought into. The rules exist to allow you to have a certain expectation. I don’t buy that it is a done deal, what was done can be undone. Maybe this particular garage is not so bad but ARC should be put on notice about it.

Compensation for what? Unless you could prove that the addition caused the value ofI don't believe that you'd be entitled to anything.

[Velvet]

Rules are for everyone, I follow them and I expect others to too. You are right about compensation, it has to be demonstrated. I was talking about a hypothetical situation. I am proud of my neighbors as they are the most considerate people, they show pride of ownership. I can’t imagine them doing something that would lower the value of the neighborhood.

[vctrau]

It’s not like any of the houses in The Villages are architectural gems... at least this design has some nice subtle details, as opposed to the McMansion look of the more expensive “designer” or “premier” homes that are often comical in their attempt to appear grand.

[Michiganhopdevil]

I could think of many things to do with the extra garage space.... since my basement is full.

[manaboutown]

I could think of many things to do with the extra garage space.... since my basement is full.

Basement? In TV? I thought the only basements in TV were sinkholes as the houses are built on Karst. .

[BostonRich]

So where are we supposed to put our stuff anyway? The attack space over the garage is too hot for most things. There are no basements and most garages are too small for even two cars. Add to that the stupid idea of putting the laundry in the steaming hot garage and you are going crazy storing everything. I would love to have a bigger garage and a separate laundry room. The house looks fine. It's legally built and was properly approved. Some of the rules really need to be relaxed. Maybe some of us don't want to live in a cookie-cutter neighborhood where everything looks the same.

[Summerhouse]

I think it looks fine. There are more than enough “stepford” neighborhoods. A little variety to me is entirely welcome.
It matches with the rest of the structure....I give it two thumbs up!

[NavyVet]

It looks fine to me. A modest home with the addition blended in in the same style. Obviously had a big enough corner lot to do this. One shouldn't have to buy a McMansion aka premier home to get the garage space they need. People don't need to be so judgmental. I've seen some ugly homes in ugly colors, but I don't go posting about it. That would just be rude. More power to this guy who dared to do something a little different yet followed the rules. Too bad his neighbors aren't very nice. They just need to get over themselves and chill out.:rolleyes:
Yes, the Villages is very cookie cutter. Even with different floor plans, many homes look the exact same on the front façade.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So where are we supposed to put our stuff anyway? The attack space over the garage is too hot for most things. There are no basements and most garages are too small for even two cars. Add to that the stupid idea of putting the laundry in the steaming hot garage and you are going crazy storing everything. I would love to have a bigger garage and a separate laundry room. The house looks fine. It's legally built and was properly approved. Some of the rules really need to be relaxed. Maybe some of us don't want to live in a cookie-cutter neighborhood where everything looks the same.

You're supposed to get rid of most of it before you move here. What do you DO with the stuff in the attic from one year to the next? What do you DO with the boxes you've had in storage in your basement however long you've owned your home?

We've stockpiled a bunch of stuff "just in case." Well "case" never happened, so now we have boxes of extra dishes, pots and pans, blankets, chairs, clothes. We have wedding presents we never took out of the box (we've been married 28 years). I have sweaters my mom knit for me when I was in college (in the early 1980's). I STILL HAVE A GRATEFUL DEAD TEE SHIRT from when I went to a real actual Grateful Dead concert, that hasn't fit me for over 20 years. I still have a pair of jeans I wore in college.

Most of this is "just in case." Just in case the other one breaks. Just in case I lose 30 pounds and my boobs suddenly revert back to the size and shape they were in college and gravity reverses itself. Just in case I have 497 cuts and need five band-aids of different sizes on every single one of them. Just in case I decide to make waffles, that one time in my entire life, ever.

Get rid of it all. Tag-sale it, then donate whatever's left over. If no one wants it, toss it on the curb or drive it to the municipal waste dump.

You'll be surprised at how much easier you can breathe when you're not tied down by all this STUFF.

[Newvilla]

Gosh! It's just a garage. Not to worry. 😊

[NFRicaS]

Looks like it is tall/big enough for an RV...

[manaboutown]

Whoever came up with “garage house” has named the edifice for posterity as the term is unquestionably descriptive. Perhaps the owner when giving directions can just say “we live in the garage house” when providing directions to a visitor.

[Marathon Man]

So where are we supposed to put our stuff anyway? The attack space over the garage is too hot for most things. There are no basements and most garages are too small for even two cars. Add to that the stupid idea of putting the laundry in the steaming hot garage and you are going crazy storing everything. I would love to have a bigger garage and a separate laundry room. The house looks fine. It's legally built and was properly approved. Some of the rules really need to be relaxed. Maybe some of us don't want to live in a cookie-cutter neighborhood where everything looks the same.

There is a solution to all that you stated. Do not live in a deed restricted community in Florida where there are no basements.

[Marathon Man]

Rules are for everyone, I follow them and I expect others to too. You are right about compensation, it has to be demonstrated. I was talking about a hypothetical situation. I am proud of my neighbors as they are the most considerate people, they show pride of ownership. I can’t imagine them doing something that would lower the value of the neighborhood.

I haven't seen anything that says that rules were not followed.

[tophcfa]

All I can say about the garage house is that I am jealous. Wishing we had room within our deed restrictions to add that kind of storage space. Oh well, we will get by with our little one car and one golf cart garage.

[Topspinmo]

The unmentionable online newspaper has a view of the finished monster garage which ARC has allowed to be built in Tall Trees.

I have no dog in this fight. I do not live in Tall Trees. I never ever have a need to go through there, but oh my goodness how on earth did the owner get the ARC to give permission for this monstrosity to be built on the end of his existing home and garage. They have opened a Pandora's box for sure! I hope, for their neighborhood's sake, that the landscaping will be sufficient to hide most of this monster.

I am somewhat surprised that the neighbors have not resorted to legal action.

plenty of monstrosity all over the villages

[Topspinmo]

He must not be happy where he stores his motor home. This looks like a garage built to store a motor home.

Probably his yacht

[Patzy]

Agree also. And with landscaping will be very nice. Love the idea of the 2nd story. As long as nice and within the rules, why do we need cookie cutter boring?

[Bay Kid]

A good landscape architect can do wonders to hide a home/garage design.

[skip0358]

I'd be curious to know how few went to the hearing for this house change or any of the many other changes ARC has to go thru? The dates and locations are posted at the mail stations. State your likes or dislikes ahead of time not after all is said and done period. If it was your house and followed the procedures than nothing was done wrong. Your complaint is with them for approving this and those who are now objecting for not attending!

[Velvet]

I'd be curious to know how few went to the hearing for this house change or any of the many other changes ARC has to go thru? The dates and locations are posted at the mail stations. State your likes or dislikes ahead of time not after all is said and done period. If it was your house and followed the procedures than nothing was done wrong. Your complaint is with them for approving this and those who are now objecting for not attending!

Completely agree. The time to have input is before ARC decision, but... in the new areas when owners are not living there yet, do they get notified about requests that may effect them? If they don’t how are they suppose to know what is planned in the first place? Also given that there is such a large percentage of snowbirds, it is not adequate to simply put a note up somewhere in TV when they are not going to see it for many months. Is digital communication available?

[CWGUY]

Completely agree. The time to have input is before ARC decision, but... in the new areas when owners are not living there yet, do they get notified about requests that may effect them? If they don’t how are they suppose to know what is planned in the first place? Also given that there is such a large percentage of snowbirds, it is not adequate to simply put a note up somewhere in TV when they are not going to see it for many months. Is digital communication available?

e-notification signup:

VCDD e-Notifications Sign Up (https://www.districtgov.org/newsletter/newsletter.aspx)

:oops: There really is a wealth of information on the District Web Site if people would just look for it!

[Velvet]

Wonderful information, TV is the best! Thank you, I’ve signed up.

[Boomer]

Well, it is indeed an attention-getter among the relatively homogenous design of most of the TV models.

Though I have not seen the home in real life, from the picture it looks like they have made good design choices to make their addition mesh with the original house.

Even though it looks so much bigger than the home, the siding, the shingles, the roof pitch, and the trim blend in rather nicely.

The doors are in the style of carriage house doors — a highly traditional garage door design that I happen to favor because of its added detail, including those high windows which let in light. And that looks like a very nice driveway, too.

Landscaping will buffer the stark surprise that is causing great consternation in the land right now.

I seriously doubt that such a structure was built by a hoarder to move a mess of stuff from a northern basement.

Even though it is none of our business, I must admit to speculating about the contents. My first thought was at least one antique car, but that is because I am a big fan of cruise-ins and always wonder where those glorious machines are kept. (I have always said to Mr. Boomer that if we had room, I would be so tempted to find a ‘59 Cadillac or a ‘57 Chevy or a ‘55 (I think) T-Bird to treasure. (sigh) But it is not going to happen so I will just continue to admire them from a distance. Besides, I, a woman, have other priorities when choosing a home.)

But — c’mon you guys — I bet a lot of you would love to have that garage. In fact, with some men, it could be the WOW! factor that would get them to move to TV.

If the house were to be for sale, perhaps its market would be more narrow than for the more traditional homes, but I can tell you right now, it would sell fast and at a premium.

And that is the end of my dissertation on why I think the garage house is interesting, and things will turn out just fine for it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Well, it is indeed an attention-getter among the relatively homogenous design of most of the TV models.

Though I have not seen the home in real life, from the picture it looks like they have made good design choices to make their addition mesh with the original house.

Even though it looks so much bigger than the home, the siding, the shingles, the roof pitch, and the trim blend in rather nicely.

The doors are in the style of carriage house doors — a highly traditional garage door design that I happen to favor because of its added detail, including those high windows which let in light. And that looks like a very nice driveway, too.

Landscaping will buffer the stark surprise that is causing great consternation in the land right now.

I seriously doubt that such a structure was built by a hoarder to move a mess of stuff from a northern basement.

Even though it is none of our business, I must admit to speculating about the contents. My first thought was at least one antique car, but that is because I am a big fan of cruise-ins and always wonder where those glorious machines are kept. (I have always said to Mr. Boomer that if we had room, I would be so tempted to find a ‘59 Cadillac or a ‘57 Chevy or a ‘55 (I think) T-Bird to treasure. (sigh) But it is not going to happen so I will just continue to admire them from a distance. Besides, I, a woman, have other priorities when choosing a home.)

But — c’mon you guys — I bet a lot of you would love to have that garage. In fact, with some men, it could be the WOW! factor that would get them to move to TV.

If the house were to be for sale, perhaps its market would be more narrow than for the more traditional homes, but I can tell you right now, it would sell fast and at a premium.

And that is the end of my dissertation on why I think the garage house is interesting, and things will turn out just fine for it.

Not limited to men. I'd LOVE a "gal cave" that I can call my own. Here in the north I have "my office," which is the 3rd bedroom of our very small house. The desk takes up most of the room.

I don't do much crafting, partly because it's expensive to maintain outside craft-fair season, and partly because I just don't have a place to do it.

A "garage room" would be a perfect place for a crafting workshop.

[Marathon Man]

Completely agree. The time to have input is before ARC decision, but... in the new areas when owners are not living there yet, do they get notified about requests that may effect them? If they don’t how are they suppose to know what is planned in the first place? Also given that there is such a large percentage of snowbirds, it is not adequate to simply put a note up somewhere in TV when they are not going to see it for many months. Is digital communication available?

The agendas are published every month prior to the meeting. All you need do is go have a look.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/committees/meetings.aspx?committee=ar&code=17)

[Velvet]

Great website, and I downloaded the agendas which show district and street numbers. How do I give the committee my input electronically? I would think they’d like to know what the residents think in the first place. I am very much interested in anything effecting my investment and my home.

I think I found my answer:
“Florida law prohibits the Board of Supervisors from communicating with residents about Deed Compliance or Architectural Review issues/cases. Please contact the Community Standards Department directly at deedcompliance@districtgov.org to report any concerns you might have.”

I’m wondering about this “Florida law” what it says precisely and the reasoning behind it. But I’ll leave it for now as I need to find out how we work in TV first. I appreciate the cooperative, helpful and amazing people here at TOTV.

[jvl5116]

Nothing wrong with it ,he might have a truck which would fit perfectly

[Marathon Man]

Great website, and I downloaded the agendas which show district and street numbers. How do I give the committee my input electronically? I would think they’d like to know what the residents think in the first place. I am very much interested in anything effecting my investment and my home.

I think I found my answer:
“Florida law prohibits the Board of Supervisors from communicating with residents about Deed Compliance or Architectural Review issues/cases. Please contact the Community Standards Department directly at deedcompliance@districtgov.org to report any concerns you might have.”

I’m wondering about this “Florida law” what it says precisely and the reasoning behind it. But I’ll leave it for now as I need to find out how we work in TV first. I appreciate the cooperative, helpful and amazing people here at TOTV.

Supervisors can not discuss deed restriction matters because they may have to rule in a compliance violation that is brought before them. They can not legally receive information pertaining to the issue prior to the hearing. So, they must steer clear of all things deed restriction.

[dblwyr]

It is a matter of fairness in administrative procedures. Separate or ex parte communications are those outside of the formal proceeding without all interested parties present, and thus can unfairly prejudice the proceeding. This is standard in most administrative proceedings.

[kcrazorbackfan]

The unmentionable online newspaper has a view of the finished monster garage which ARC has allowed to be built in Tall Trees.

I have no dog in this fight. I do not live in Tall Trees. I never ever have a need to go through there, but oh my goodness how on earth did the owner get the ARC to give permission for this monstrosity to be built on the end of his existing home and garage. They have opened a Pandora's box for sure! I hope, for their neighborhood's sake, that the landscaping will be sufficient to hide most of this monster.

I am somewhat surprised that the neighbors have not resorted to legal action.

What the hell does it matter to anyone? It certainly looks better than some of the 2nd floor additions that have popped up in TV. It’s their money, let them spend it.

BTW, as of Monday, 7/1, people in TV will be able to grow gardens in their front yards; I bet that will cause you worry warts who want to stick your noses in everyone else’s business to really blow a gasket.

[manaboutown]

What the hell does it matter to anyone? It certainly looks better than some of the 2nd floor additions that have popped up in TV. It’s their money, let them spend it.

BTW, as of Monday, 7/1, people in TV will be able to grow gardens in their front yards; I bet that will cause you worry warts who want to stick your noses in everyone else’s business to really blow a gasket.

Is it too late to plant corn?

[Goldwingnut]

For what it's worth, I drove by the subject house this morning, basically unremarkable in real life and it meets all CDD/ARC standards. The pictures posted on the other website taken to intentionally distort the appearance.

To me what I found humorous is the rest of the homes on Five Forks, there were at least a dozen (I just stopped counting when I started laughing) homes with deed compliance violation - lawn ornaments (you name the type, they're there), rock and flower beds overgrown with weeds, grass uncut and above the height limits, etc. The home with the garage was well kept and in compliance.

So we have residents that refuse to comply with their own deed restrictions complaining about a resident's home that the homeowner with through the required process to be in compliance.

Where are the troll with their clipboards when you need them...

[Velvet]

Very helpful description, and GoldwingNut, and Manaboutown you are so funny.

[kcrazorbackfan]

For what it's worth, I drove by the subject house this morning, basically unremarkable in real life and it meets all CDD/ARC standards. The pictures posted on the other website taken to intentionally distort the appearance.

To me what I found humorous is the rest of the homes on Five Forks, there were at least a dozen (I just stopped counting when I started laughing) homes with deed compliance violation - lawn ornaments (you name the type, they're there), rock and flower beds overgrown with weeds, grass uncut and above the height limits, etc. The home with the garage was well kept and in compliance.

So we have residents that refuse to comply with their own deed restrictions complaining about a resident's home that the homeowner with through the required process to be in compliance.

Where are the troll with their clipboards when you need them...

Well said. It’s just the typical crybaby trolls with nothing else to do with their miserable “nothing else to do with their life” lives. Police yourselves before you act like the “deed compliance police” against others.

[angiden]

More tax money. I'm sure he has a good reason.

[tophcfa]

The more this thread goes on, the more jealous I have become of the owners of the garage in question!

[Topspinmo]

There is room there for a neighborhood party when it’s raining.

Indoor pickleball court

[Topspinmo]

Is it too late to plant corn?

No room, yard full of garages :1rotfl:

[Fishers2tall]

What is the motivation behind badgering the owner of this home? It certainly can't be the looks of the house. The only thing that could make it perfect IMHO is if the Garage Doors were Three Then Two Then One from the front door to the corner on the right. Once this house has the landscaping completed it will be a SuperStar in a Fantastic Neighborhood. It didn't bring down the value of anyone's home. In fact, it probably will raise the neighboring homes a bit. I saw some other "things" going on in the same neighborhood and those things had a Permit Box Out Front. So its' time to clam up about those other projects because they have been approved. It's time to let this OWNER enjoy his home in Peace and Quiet! Get a Life. Go find someone with a White Cross! (Joking).

I greatly look forward to becoming a resident of TV within the next few years and I really appreciate TOTV as an easy and free way to meet lots of potential future neighbors ahead of time. As a person who has been a Realtor in the past and am still involved in the world of real estate in a different way I can see both sides of this issue on the so-called garage house. If I had to pick a perspective I would agree with Nucky. I don’t think this house with the huge garage will negatively effect anybody’s property value. I would say that from what I understand about the rules governing the exterior of homes in TV is that the rules are for the most part extremely strict and far more restrictive than the list of covenants (deed restrictions) for most subdivisions outside TV. Your property values in TV are certainly quite secure! Now if a flood of criminally minded kids like the one who was recently arrested for stealing a golf bag and clubs out of a parked golf cart at Mallory Hill Country Club in TV begin moving back in with their parents in TV like this one did that’s a whole different matter!!!

[kmmp555]

For what it's worth, I drove by the subject house this morning, basically unremarkable in real life and it meets all CDD/ARC standards. The pictures posted on the other website taken to intentionally distort the appearance.

To me what I found humorous is the rest of the homes on Five Forks, there were at least a dozen (I just stopped counting when I started laughing) homes with deed compliance violation - lawn ornaments (you name the type, they're there), rock and flower beds overgrown with weeds, grass uncut and above the height limits, etc. The home with the garage was well kept and in compliance.

So we have residents that refuse to comply with their own deed restrictions complaining about a resident's home that the homeowner with through the required process to be in compliance.

Where are the troll with their clipboards when you need them...
It's everyone's right to ask questions about construction in their neighborhoods. On thefirst day when a polite request was made to look at the garage plan an employee from Community Standards asked why? She then proceeded to state that if "you have a problem with this plan maybe the owner doesn't like your house either. Is this the way that residents should be treated? For the record she knows who she is and paid to be at EVERY ARC meeting and comments regularly.

[kmmp555]

The unmentionable online newspaper has a view of the finished monster garage which ARC has allowed to be built in Tall Trees.

I have no dog in this fight. I do not live in Tall Trees. I never ever have a need to go through there, but oh my goodness how on earth did the owner get the ARC to give permission for this monstrosity to be built on the end of his existing home and garage. They have opened a Pandora's box for sure! I hope, for their neighborhood's sake, that the landscaping will be sufficient to hide most of this monster.

I am somewhat surprised that the neighbors have not resorted to legal action.
If it weren't for the interest of the concerned neighbors and the attention on it theproject may have looked completely different. Citizen activism (even in light of notable 2nd floor Community Standard VIP antagonism) prevailed.

[kmmp555]

I do agree. From the beginning I have thought, "what's the big deal?" I wish I could create more space.
Tell that to the hundreds of people requesting a 3 foot width expansion to their driveway. Consistent rulings would be appreciated.

[Taltarzac725]

Tell that to the hundreds of people requesting a 3 foot width expansion to their driveway. Consistent rulings would be appreciated.

I like context and common sense in the application of rules. See no big deal with this house as almost no one but the neighbors and the yard people see it. It is in a very out of the way spot in Tall Trees.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't think that it's envy. The neighbors feel that this house now stands out as being very different, and thus unterupts the homogenous nature of the neighborhood. The same thing happened when a house was being expeanded on the historic side. I don't believe that they are bad people acting out of ill feeling.

If you mean the red house, I think it stood out primarily because it is red, and looks more like a normal non-Florida community house, than it does a dwelling that might belong in what was once a trailer park and still contains manufactured homes.

If that's the house you mean, I absolutely love that house. Yes it stands out but it's magnificent and is a perfect landmark to explain to people when to turn to get to my house!

[kmmp555]

Currently all are operating in good faith that the use of the property will be adding to the quiet and peaceful, friendly atmosphere in TT. This is expected so no need for any action is needed.

[kmmp555]

The way the neighbors were treated the first day in inquiry about the project was in no way compatible with the friendliest neighborhood in Florida theme. Calls to the office went unreturned and neighbors were hung up on by standards administrators. Calls to public relations administrators for contact information were denied. Very unfortunate. Richard Baier and staff were a pleasant exception.

[kmmp555]

They did a very nice job on the landscaping. The active and continuing dialogue helped.

[kmmp555]

The irony is going after oak tree owners and white cross "offenders." as projects of a larger scope go without staff review.
A revamp of the entire process, staff professionalism and procedures could be reviewed to ensure consistency and fairness universally.

[Two Bills]

The irony is going after oak tree owners and white cross "offenders." as projects of a larger scope go without staff review.
A revamp of the entire process, staff professionalism and procedures could be reviewed to ensure consistency and fairness universally.

Methinks you are still banging your drum, when the band has long gone home.
The gentleman concerned, applied for relevant permission.
It was granted.
He built.
It's there.
End of!

[Velvet]

Methinks you are still banging your drum, when the band has long gone home.
The gentleman concerned, applied for relevant permission.
It was granted.
He built.
It's there.
End of!

Yes, that is how it would work in a dictatorship.

However, it sounds like with the landscaping it’s ok. I hope people have learned from this process for the next time.

[kmmp555]

I was a neighbor down the street from this house.
No, they didn't have every toy in the garage but what they did have was an old truck and cars. That was the owner's hobby.
Would a storage unit be another option? Of course work on any vehicles is not allowed inside or outside by FL state fire and safety codes.

[Velvet]

Richard Baier and staff were a pleasant exception.

I think we are very lucky to have this man in charge, too.

[Two Bills]

Yes, that is how it would work in a dictatorship.

However, it sounds like with the landscaping it’s ok. I hope people have learned from this process for the next time.

Sounds very democratic and law abiding to me.
I am glad you approve of the landscaping, I am sure the owner will rest easy now.

[kmmp555]

There is room there for a neighborhood party when it’s raining.
Now that we have meet the owner. It Would have been nice if there was some mechanism whereby neighbors could communicate some way during the process. Gary Lester who is the Administrator involved with public relations would not return numerous phone calls throughout the months long construction phase. Perhaps this could have been of assistance for all involved parties?

[kmmp555]

I don't think that it's envy. The neighbors feel that this house now stands out as being very different, and thus unterupts the homogenous nature of the neighborhood. The same thing happened when a house was being expeanded on the historic side. I don't believe that they are bad people acting out of ill feeling.
Thank you. Therewas no jealousy involved. Just drainage concerns, aesthetic conformity and use that is consistent with R-1 zoning code. Thank you.

[CWGUY]

Now that we have meet the owner. It Would have been nice if there was some mechanism whereby neighbors could communicate some way during the process. Gary Lester who is the Administrator involved with public relations would not return numerous phone calls throughout the months long construction phase. Perhaps this could have been of assistance for all involved parties?

:confused: Doesn't Gary Lester work for the Developer...... not the District? Why would you call him? :shrug:

[Velvet]

All is well that ends well.

[CWGUY]

Now that we have meet the owner. It Would have been nice if there was some mechanism whereby neighbors could communicate some way during the process. Gary Lester who is the Administrator involved with public relations would not return numerous phone calls throughout the months long construction phase. Perhaps this could have been of assistance for all involved parties?

The time to communicate would be during the approval process..... not after.

You can sign up to receive a copy of the ARC agenda for each of their meetings.
VCDD e-Notifications Sign Up (https://www.districtgov.org/newsletter/newsletter.aspx)

The Architecurual Review Committee (ARC) meets every Wednesday at 8:00 a.m. at the District office located at 984 Old Mill Run, The Villages, FL 32162. It meets for approximately 2-4 hours each week and review approximately 100 applications per week. All meetings are open to the public and the committee operates under the Florida “Sunshine Law”.

The ARC shall administratively review for approval or denial all owner applications seeking to make EXTERNAL structural alterations (including but not limited to landscaping, fencing, sheds, arbors or similar items) home re-paintings, additions, repairs or improvements to their home.

Said review shall be done and in accordance with each individual District’s adopted Rule, guidelines, procedures, policies and standards taking into consideration staff’s recommendations regarding said compliance.

[kmmp555]

I bet they have white crosses out front too.


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Religious freedoms should be defended and protected. Deed restrictions do involve protection in regard to conformity. It is a project that was completed and all neighbors are moving forward. However being challenged by staff from Day 1 did little to help the situation.

[EdFNJ]

Religious freedoms should be defended and protected. Deed restrictions do involve protection in regard to conformity. It is a project that was completed and all neighbors are moving forward. However being challenged by staff from Day 1 did little to help the situation.

Correct. Religious Freedom has to do with the practicing of ones religion not the display of ones religious symbols whatever they may be. I believe many folks are conflating religious freedom with deed restriction limitations that one agrees to when buying a home in a deed restricted community.

Freedom Of Religion | Definition of Freedom Of Religion by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freedom%20of%20religion)

[thelegges]

157 posts on an ARC approved addition. Many have only viewed poorly taken photos, not seen the home in person.
So far I have not seen anyone who is living within site of the HOME posting, how it has consumed their lifestyle.

Some realize once moved in a Bigger Garage would be a blessing. ARC approval is a done deal.

[Love2Swim]

If ARC approved it, what's the big deal? They are the people who are in the best position to judge what is architecturally in the best interests of the Villages. I think it looks fine.

[Taltarzac725]

157 posts on an ARC approved addition. Many have only viewed poorly taken photos, not seen the home in person.
So far I have not seen anyone who is living within site of the HOME posting, how it has consumed their lifestyle.

Some realize once moved in a Bigger Garage would be a blessing. ARC approval is a done deal.

I drove by. It is a nice looking addition. But it is in a very out of the way section of Tall Trees that you would not visit without a reason. It would even be hard to get to if you got lost in Tall Trees which I have in the past.

[mulligan]

I find it interesting that nobody said a word about the 5 car garage behind #5 fairway of Bonita Pass. !-car plus a 2- story 2-car with lifts that hold 2 elevated for storage.

[kmmp555]

The garage addition is approved by ARC and is already built. Folks are “beating a dead horse”. Another way to put it “BOY howdy” it’s a done deal. I seriously think landscaping will make a difference just as landscaping makes an improvement to any property.
Adjacent property ownerswere concerned about drainage issues. The Deed restrictions discuss the protection of aesthetic conformity within TV districts. This, not to mention the daily policy changes any applicant experiences were determining factories in the debate. Yes it is over and things are resolved but the ongoing concern remains as the standards at ARC and board of supervisors face challenges to the anonymous reporting system, inconsistent rulings and protections of religious freedom.

[kmmp555]

Methinks you are still banging your drum, when the band has long gone home.
The gentleman concerned, applied for relevant permission.
It was granted.
He built.
It's there.
End of!
You bloody well are entitled to your opinion mate. TV will only be improved upon in every way by the exercise of respectful free speech. The protections of our deed restrictions and issues lately are worth the fallout from the hierarchy bent on protecting some status quo. We all love TV but also acknowledge some changes may make it even better.

[thelegges]

I drove by. It is a nice looking addition. But it is in a very out of the way section of Tall Trees that you would not visit without a reason. It would even be hard to get to if you got lost in Tall Trees which I have in the past.

We attended an event near the Home. At the time had no idea it was the house, better yet the home in question, was not in any conversation with over 30 people attending. I agree with you. As in any additional space added in TV, it was well done.

[Marathon Man]

Adjacent property ownerswere concerned about drainage issues. The Deed restrictions discuss the protection of aesthetic conformity within TV districts. This, not to mention the daily policy changes any applicant experiences were determining factories in the debate. Yes it is over and things are resolved but the ongoing concern remains as the standards at ARC and board of supervisors face challenges to the anonymous reporting system, inconsistent rulings and protections of religious freedom.

Drainage issues are to be addressed by a construction permit, not ARC.

The things that you mention are not challenges to anyone or anything. They are simply grumbings of those who don't want to follow the deed restrictions.

[Two Bills]

You bloody well are entitled to your opinion mate. TV will only be improved upon in every way by the exercise of respectful free speech. The protections of our deed restrictions and issues lately are worth the fallout from the hierarchy bent on protecting some status quo. We all love TV but also acknowledge some changes may make it even better.

At least my ' bloody' opinion is also the opinion of the authority who granted permission for the extension.
Yours is a frustrated response to having your personal opinion denied.
Your deed restrictions were fully upheld, when the person applied for, and was granted permission for the addition.
As for free speech. where has it been denied or repressed?
Put your drum away until needed for your next lost cause.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Would a storage unit be another option? Of course work on any vehicles is not allowed inside or outside by FL state fire and safety codes.


According to Florida State Codes, what is considered to be "work?"

BTW -- I didn't say he worked on his cars; I simply said they were his hobby.

[pacjag]

I seriously doubt there is any Florida law which would prevent me from working on my own vehicle in my own garage.

[manaboutown]

Now how many men in TV would love to have a large multi vehicle garage? Ok, you can put your hands down now. The structure is beautiful, in compliance with deed restrictions and approved.

It seems to me that envy and resentment are being displayed as in if I can’t have one he shouldn’t get one. Whining!