U.S. Military and UFO's

[ColdNoMore]

Hypersonic Speeds. (poke here) (http://nypost.com/2019/05/27/navy-pilots-spotted-ufos-flying-at-hypersonic-speeds-report/)

Some US Navy pilots reported spotting UFOs while training over the East Coast in 2014 and 2015, they said in a recent New York Times report.

The pilots told the paper they saw “strange objects” with “no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes” reaching at least 30,000 feet and flying at hypersonic speeds almost daily while training off the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt.

“These things would be out there all day,” said Lt. Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who has been with the Navy for 10 years and who said he reported the sightings to the Pentagon and Congress.

“Keeping an aircraft in the air requires a significant amount of energy. With the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”

The unidentified flying objects were seen performing maneuvers that were “beyond the physical limits of a human crew,” like stopping rapidly, turning instantly or immediately accelerating at hypersonic speeds, the pilots said.



Could it simply be super-secret military projects, where the 'skunk-works' portion of the military...doesn't tell other military branches?

Or is there really something to...a significant number of these sightings?

Giving more credence to these reports, compared to those coming from Joe Public, is that a lot of them are coming from military pilots...who are highly trained observers. :shrug:



The truth is out there. :popcorn:

http://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1367619315_10.jpg

[Bucco]

Hypersonic Speeds. (poke here) (http://nypost.com/2019/05/27/navy-pilots-spotted-ufos-flying-at-hypersonic-speeds-report/)





Could it simply be super-secret military projects, where the 'skunk-works' portion of the military...doesn't tell other military branches?

Or is there really something to...a significant number of these sightings?

Giving more credence to these reports, compared to those coming from Joe Public, is that a lot of them are coming from military pilots...who are highly trained observers. :shrug:



The truth is out there. :popcorn:

http://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1367619315_10.jpg

Brings back thoughts of "Area51" in Nevada.

We are not the only country with such a place and during the early sixties, such sightings were the subject of much talk, some of which has been explained (U2, etc.)

[Taltarzac725]

...their close encounters."

This is the cover story for the June 14, 2019 issue of The Week.

[New Englander]

Area 51 is where the U.S. military tests new equipment that needs to be top secret until what ever it is, is brought into use. There are spy's out there.

[Taltarzac725]

...their close encounters."

This is the cover story for the June 14, 2019 issue of The Week.

There are a few paragraphs to this cover story.

Mainly it covers the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). Does cover what Cold No More wrote about as OP and a 2004 incident off the USS Nimitz which was buzzed by high speed objects. Could be glitches in the radar system or very advanced drones according to the paragraphs.

Also mentions we should not be closed minded about aliens being out there.


I do not, frankly, see why they would want anything to do with us.

[biker1]

Aliens might be out there but the chances that they have visited us is essentially zero. The distances that would need to be traversed are extreme.

There are a few paragraphs to this cover story.

Mainly it covers the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). Does cover what Cold No More wrote about as OP and a 2004 incident off the USS Nimitz which was buzzed by high speed objects. Could be glitches in the radar system or very advanced drones according to the paragraphs.

Also mentions we should not be closed minded about aliens being out there.


I do not, frankly, see why they would want anything to do with us.

[Taltarzac725]

Aliens might be out there but the chances that they have visited us is essentially zero. The distances that would need to be traversed are extreme.

Some civilizations may have discovered much faster ways of travel as well as ways to use things Albert Einstein and/or others have written about with respect to wormholes in space. The Future of Space Travel: Fusion Engines, Warp Drives, and Wormholes - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js09uGivArA)

What Is Wormhole Theory? | Space (https://www.space.com/20881-wormholes.html)

[biker1]

Yes, that is why I used the term "essentially zero". However, I am pretty sure if a civilization was to develop sufficient technology to traverse the extreme distances they would not be showing up in "flying saucers". Occam's Razor is at work here.

Some civilizations may have discovered much faster ways of travel as well as ways to use things Albert Einstein and/or others have written about with respect to wormholes in space. The Future of Space Travel: Fusion Engines, Warp Drives, and Wormholes - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js09uGivArA)

What Is Wormhole Theory? | Space (https://www.space.com/20881-wormholes.html)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Aliens might be out there but the chances that they have visited us is essentially zero. The distances that would need to be traversed are extreme.

or, maybe they ARE us. Maybe "aliens" are the cause of the evolutionary mutations from Neanderthal to homo sapiens sapiens.

[Taltarzac725]

or, maybe they ARE us. Maybe "aliens" are the cause of the evolutionary mutations from Neanderthal to homo sapiens sapiens.

I had thought that as well as have various screen writers and sci-fi authors.

But would push this further back to what caused any life to arrive on earth.

List of oldest stars - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_stars)

Earth's Sun: Facts About the Sun's Age, Size and History | Space (https://www.space.com/58-the-sun-formation-facts-and-characteristics.html)

[Bucco]

While I am open minded, I really discount aliens from other planets.

Look, if other countries can "hack" into various places within our country, we should not be so naive about abilities o surveil this country, and to not acknowledge that is really a weakness.

The UFO fervor in late fifties and early sixties, which "it appears" had lot to do with our country testing spy planes like the U2, allowed for the same kind of talk. We cannot believe that others in this world are not as smart or sophisticated as we...it just is not so.

The warnings we have gotten over the past few years about the capabilities of others seem to be falling on deaf ears, and it shouldn't. It is being done to us, and we simply mock those who tell us that.

[Taltarzac725]

Yeah, right. Total nonsense post. Please think before posting in the future. Do you have any clue as to the distance from us to the nearest possible locations for intelligent life? I personally don't believe in the plots of Hollywood movies. Apparently you do. I assume you were not trained as an engineer or scientist. LOL.

Lots of scientists believe in alien life like Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking's Most Intriguing Quotes on Aliens, Women and the Future of Humanity (https://www.livescience.com/62015-stephen-hawking-quotes.html)

We're 'Well On Our Way' to Discovering Alien Life, NASA Chief Says | Space (https://www.space.com/nasa-alien-life-search-jim-bridenstine.html)

[Topspinmo]

Yeah, right. Total nonsense post. Please think before posting in the future. Do you have any clue as to the distance from us to the nearest possible locations for intelligent life? I personally don't believe in the plots of Hollywood movies. Apparently you do. I assume you were not trained as an engineer or scientist. LOL.

Pretty naive to think humans are the only special species in the universe, which we know virtually .9% of the universe. Just cause you read books, studied and pass test don’t make the authority on stuff we know little about. These incidents has nothing to do with Hollywood movies.

Probably the biggest cover up was Roswell incident. It don’t take months to clean up weather balloon That came down.

[ColdNoMore]

We humans, seem to have an infinite capacity...for arrogance/ignorance.

Those really are about the only reasons that can explain, the idea/conviction that we are the only intelligent beings in the entire universe...or that there aren't ways to travel faster than the speed of light.

Those reasons, and of course...religion(s) also.


:shrug:

[manaboutown]

Although intelligent life is likely rare in the universe it is surely out there. As the earth’s sun is recent compared to many stars other civilizations may have had many millions of years to evolve ahead of us.

Two of the smartest men I know have privately told they were certain they had observed ufos. One had seen a lone one moving about his airplane then flying off. The other saw a group at a distance. The LEO who checked out the Roswell area landing spot observed physical affects to the environment.

For those so inclined it is not too late to get to Roswell’s annual UFO festival. For those not into UFOs while I was growing up in NM the prettiest young ladies in HS and college came from Roswell. No joke. Must be something in the water down there. 2019 UFO Festival – Official UFO Festival Roswell Website (http://www.ufofestivalroswell.com/event/ufo-festival/)

[biker1]

That's funny. I don't doubt that we are not the only life in the universe. Suggesting that we have been visited is faith based, as opposed to science based, thinking.

Pretty naive to think humans are the only special species in the universe, which we know virtually .9% of the universe. Just cause you read books, studied and pass test don’t make the authority on stuff we know little about. These incidents has nothing to do with Hollywood movies.

Probably the biggest cover up was Roswell incident. It don’t take months to clean up weather balloon That came down.

[biker1]

That sort of thinking is devoid of the distance and technology required to traverse the distances involved. Believe what you will but at least acknowledge that it is faith based and not science based.

Although intelligent life is likely rare in the universe it is surely out there. As the earth’s sun is recent compared to many stars other civilizations may have had many millions of years to evolve ahead of us.

Two of the smartest men I know have privately told they were certain they had observed ufos. One had seen a lone one moving about his airplane then flying off. The other saw a group at a distance. The LEO who checked out the Roswell area landing spot observed physical affects to the environment.

For those so inclined it is not too late to get to Roswell’s annual UFO festival. For those not into UFOs while I was growing up in NM the prettiest young ladies in HS and college came from Roswell. No joke. Must be something in the water down there. 2019 UFO Festival – Official UFO Festival Roswell Website (http://www.ufofestivalroswell.com/event/ufo-festival/)

[manaboutown]

That sort of thinking is devoid of the distance and technology required to traverse the distances involved. Believe what you will but at least acknowledge that it is faith based and not science based.

Yes my statements are based on faith, faith in science, its proofs, discoveries, analyses and applications and faith in mathematics, statistics in the instant case.

As far as distance and technology goes I seriously doubt the human beings of even 10,000 years ago, who were just as smart or smarter than we are today, could imagine automobiles, refrigeration, appendectomies and other common aspects of life today much less smart phones, airplanes and our recent start in developing space travel via rockets akin to the Wright brothers at Kitty Hawk and their aircraft. The sky is no longer the limit!

[biker1]

The closest star is over 4 light years away. I believe the nearest habitable planet we are currently aware of is about 12 light years away. Traveling that distance in a reasonable amount of time is much different than building a car. Poor analogy on your part. Given the enormous distances in the universe, the chances that an advanced civilization capable of near light speed travel would come here is remote. Assuming that the creation of wormholes is even possible, you need to ask yourself why would a civilization capable of such technology choose to come here out of all of the possible galaxies? Again, Occam's Razor is at play when considering the origin of UFOs.

Yes my statements are based on faith, faith in science, its proofs, discoveries, analyses and applications and faith in mathematics, statistics in the instant case.

As far as distance and technology goes I seriously doubt the human beings of even 10,000 years ago, who were just as smart or smarter than we are today, could imagine automobiles, refrigeration, appendectomies and other common aspects of life today much less smart phones, airplanes and our recent start in developing space travel via rockets akin to the Wright brothers at Kitty Hawk and their aircraft. The sky is no longer the limit!

[manaboutown]

The closest star is over 4 light years away. I believe the nearest habitable planet we are currently aware of is about 12 light years away. Traveling that distance in a reasonable amount of time is much different than building a car. Poor analogy on your part. Given the enormous distances in the universe, the chances that an advanced civilization capable of light speed travel would come here is remote.

I agree that when limited to light speed the chances of alien visitation is remote. However if we had another million or hundred million years during which to evolve and advance we might be able to get around that. After all primitive humans could only travel as fast as they could run. I shall stick with my analogies which I consider valid.

[biker1]

Whatever. Advanced civilizations capable of near light speed travel, or somehow warping space, are not going to be visiting us in metal flying saucers. You still made a bad analogy.

I agree that when limited to light speed the chances of alien visitation is remote. However if we had another million or hundred million years during which to evolve and advance we might be able to get around that. After all primitive humans could only travel as fast as they could run. I shall stick with my analogies which I consider valid.

[manaboutown]

Whatever. Advanced civilizations capable of near light speed travel, or somehow warping space, are not going to be visiting us in metal flying saucers. You still made a bad analogy.

How do you know they are flying saucers? And that they are metal?

[biker1]

Exactly what do you think has been reported over the years? The technology required for extended space travel will almost certainly not look like anything that can be imagined or reported. What point are you actually trying to make?

How do you know they are flying saucers? And that they are metal?

[manaboutown]

My point is that science likely advances over time in every intelligent life civilization. Perhaps they will have learned to navigate the space-time continuum in some fashion so that the speed of light is not a hindrance or a limit. After all some forms of intelligent life may have been in existence for hundreds of millions of years or more. Gravity Probe B - Special & General Relativity Questions and Answers (https://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/q411.html)

[Taltarzac725]

Access Denied (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/03/extraterrestrial-life-probably-exists-how-do-we-search-for-aliens/)

Who knows what alien ships look like? But they are probably up there at some time or another. I expect if they have been an advanced civilization for millions of years they have kept tabs on more primitive civilizations and seeing how they evolve on their own.

[Two Bills]

Whatever. Advanced civilizations capable of near light speed travel, or somehow warping space, are not going to be visiting us in metal flying saucers. You still made a bad analogy.

Thank God for that.
All these years I have been worried about a Klingon invasion.
I will sleep better tonight! :icon_wink:

[biker1]

You are trying to morph the thread into a discussion about whether technology advances with time. Yes, it does. In our own case, however, it has been essentially stagnant for the last 50 years with regard to space travel. Why is this? For beginners, the technology to travel in space efficiently is very difficult to develop. Secondly, space is a very hostile environment. Regardless, suggestions that we have been visited by other civilizations is without proof and exceedingly unlikely. Is there life elsewhere in the multiverse? Yes, almost certainly. Can they get here? Yes, in sci-fi movies.

My point is that science likely advances over time in every intelligent life civilization. Perhaps they will have learned to navigate the space-time continuum in some fashion so that the speed of light is not a hindrance or a limit. After all some forms of intelligent life may have been in existence for hundreds of millions of years or more. Gravity Probe B - Special & General Relativity Questions and Answers (https://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/q411.html)

[biker1]

Probably up there? Exactly where is "up there"? If you are suggesting that "up there" is in orbit around the earth, it is much more likely that nobody is up there and never has been. Sorry to burst the bubble, but sci-fi movies are long on fiction and short on science.

Access Denied (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2019/03/extraterrestrial-life-probably-exists-how-do-we-search-for-aliens/)

Who knows what alien ships look like? But they are probably up there at some time or another. I expect if they have been an advanced civilization for millions of years they have kept tabs on more primitive civilizations and seeing how they evolve on their own.

[biker1]

I am glad to put your mind at ease. I sleep well every night ;-)

Thank God for that.
All these years I have been worried about a Klingon invasion.
I will sleep better tonight! :icon_wink:

[toeser]

I saw a UFO as a teenager, and since that was about the time of Kitty Hawk, I'm pretty sure it wasn't ours. It was round (about moon sized in appearance), bright, and arced across the entire sky in just several seconds. It was not a meteor as I have seen several of those, and it had a flight pattern, not just something plowing down through our atmosphere.

[coconutmama]

I have no doubt that we have been & continue to be visited. To think we are the only civilization seems naive to me. It was not that long ago that sound waves were unimaginable. Because we cannot see it does not mean it isn't there.

[JoelJohnson]

Unless physics is different in the rest of the universe, UFOs are just that - Unidentified. Show me a piece of physical evidence that has passed scientific review and I'll believe. When I was a child I had a big notebook full of UFO clipings, but once I grew up and looked at the "evidence" in an educated way, I threw it away.

[Miguel 1952]

There is no such thing as Bigfoot and we have not been visited by aliens.

[Topspinmo]

That's funny. I don't doubt that we are not the only life in the universe. Suggesting that we have been visited is faith based, as opposed to science based, thinking.

Who’s science? Ours in our solar system?

Then, why the cover ups? The federal government is master of cover ups. From the bottom to top and from the top down. Only few really know what really happens and minimize the publicity due to career ambition. IMO the reason for most covers ups are due to major of people are mentally incapable of dealing with the truth.

[biker1]

I don't spend time on conspiracy theories.

Who’s science? Ours in our solar system?

Then, why the cover ups? The federal government is master of cover ups. From the bottom to top and from the top down. Only few really know what really happens and minimize the publicity due to career ambition. IMO the reason for most covers ups are due to major of people are mentally incapable of dealing with the truth.

[BobnBev]

My point is that science likely advances over time in every intelligent life civilization. Perhaps they will have learned to navigate the space-time continuum in some fashion so that the speed of light is not a hindrance or a limit. After all some forms of intelligent life may have been in existence for hundreds of millions of years or more. Gravity Probe B - Special & General Relativity Questions and Answers (https://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/q411.html)

Hey, if Santa Claus can do it, why not aliens? :a040::a040:

[biker1]

Let's look at some numbers. The Milky Way Galaxy (our Galaxy) is 100,000 light years across and contains about 100 billion stars. There are about 100 billion galaxies. We have been transmitting electromagnetic energy to space for about 100 years. That means other civilizations within 100 light years may know about us, if they were listening on the correct frequency. Assuming a civilization within 100 light years knows about us, what is probability that they have advanced enough technology to travel here in a reasonable amount of time? What is the probability that if they had sufficient technology to come here that they would? There is no evidence that we have been visited and the extreme distances and large number of possibly habitable planets makes the probability of visitations to our particular planet remote.


I have no doubt that we have been & continue to be visited. To think we are the only civilization seems naive to me. It was not that long ago that sound waves were unimaginable. Because we cannot see it does not mean it isn't there.

[BobnBev]

You are trying to morph the thread into a discussion about whether technology advances with time. Yes, it does. In our own case, however, it has been essentially stagnant for the last 50 years with regard to space travel. Why is this? For beginners, the technology to travel in space efficiently is very difficult to develop. Secondly, space is a very hostile environment. Regardless, suggestions that we have been visited by other civilizations is without proof and exceedingly unlikely. Is there life elsewhere in the multiverse? Yes, almost certainly. Can they get here? Yes, in sci-fi movies.

They are already here, my friend, and some of them live right here in The Villages.:ohdear::ohdear::faint:

[BobnBev]

I saw a UFO as a teenager, and since that was about the time of Kitty Hawk, I'm pretty sure it wasn't ours. It was round (about moon sized in appearance), bright, and arced across the entire sky in just several seconds. It was not a meteor as I have seen several of those, and it had a flight pattern, not just something plowing down through our atmosphere.

I believe you, as I also have seen one. I still get goose bumps when I picture it.

[Bucco]

This thread has turned into a discussion of "flying saucers" and I am using that term instead of UFO because what is the difference.

Sightings of UFO's are pretty much individual and NOBODY ever sees them but the one reporting.

Not one piece of credible evidence has ever been offered to substantiate these visitors from another orbit or where ever you imagine them to be.

LOTS of evidence of weather things in the air, of government testing (I keep reminding all of the UFO sighting in the late 50's and 60's which much can be explained by our government experimenting and testing things, LIKE THE U2 SPY PLANE, all credible and validated.

Why everyone prefers those theories right out of the National Enquirer rather than scientists and astronomers is well beyond me.

Reading today and being aware, you must know that almost every country with any resources is experimenting in ways to watch and listen in the most "cyber" kind of way, yet we talk of flying saucers and other worlds.

Of course anything is possible, but ALL evidence points to something other than other worlds visiting us...ALL evidence. If unexplained THAT IS NOT EVIDENCE, simply unexplained.

Anyone who claims to see a Unidentified Flying Object, I believe did, in facts, see an UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object.

[Fastskiguy]

I do not, frankly, see why they would want anything to do with us.

Most alien abduction stories involve some sort of "probing" so...maybe it's that? ;)

[Fastskiguy]

Let's look at some numbers. The Milky Way Galaxy (our Galaxy) is 100,000 light years across and contains about 100 billion stars. There are about 100 billion galaxies. We have been transmitting electromagnetic energy to space for about 100 years. That means other civilizations within 100 light years may know about us, if they were listening on the correct frequency. Assuming a civilization within 100 light years knows about us, what is probability that they have advanced enough technology to travel here in a reasonable amount of time? What is the probability that if they had sufficient technology to come here that they would? There is no evidence that we have been visited and the extreme distances and large number of possibly habitable planets makes the probability of visitations to our particular planet remote.

This ^^

It's hard to imaging any way to go faster than the speed of light and with the distances we're talking...that is way way too slow. Plus you've got the time distortion issue to deal with. Take a trip to Earth and when you get back you find your great great great grandchildren are older than you.

[Topspinmo]

There is no such thing as Bigfoot and we have not been visited by aliens.

Finely a know it all with all the answers:1rotfl: biker will be impressed

[manaboutown]

There is no such thing as Bigfoot and we have not been visited by aliens.

And circa 1491 “We all know the earth is flat.”

[biker1]

Blah ,blah, blah. Clueless till the end ;-)

Finely a know it all with all the answers:1rotfl: biker will be impressed

[JoelJohnson]

Who’s science? Ours in our solar system?

Then, why the cover ups? The federal government is master of cover ups. From the bottom to top and from the top down. Only few really know what really happens and minimize the publicity due to career ambition. IMO the reason for most covers ups are due to major of people are mentally incapable of dealing with the truth.

The government couldn't keep the biggest secret of WW II - the atomic bomb! Stalin knew about it long before we used it on Japan. How do you think they could keep real aliens secret?

[vitacr]

Why they would have an interest in Earth is hard to understand. It appears they are far superior in technology. I saw a UFO in NJ 11pm one evening in the early 70's. No doubt, it was too close - no sound, cigar shaped with lights all around - moved slowly up the peninsula & shown a very bright light periodically - returned to my location & sped off into the sky at supersonic speed & no noise. Unforgetable...........

[Taltarzac725]

Why they would have an interest in Earth is hard to understand. It appears they are far superior in technology. I saw a UFO in NJ 11pm one evening in the early 70's. No doubt, it was too close - no sound, cigar shaped with lights all around - moved slowly up the peninsula & shown a very bright light periodically - returned to my location & sped off into the sky at supersonic speed & no noise. Unforgetable...........

Probably to see when and if we can get further than the moon and what kind of weapons we have now. Nuclear weaponry would be a worry even if they were far more sophisticated technologically than us.

[manaboutown]

Probably to see when and if we can get further than the moon and what kind of weapons we have now. Nuclear weaponry would be a worry even if they were far more sophisticated technologically than us.

I imagine a civilization a million to one hundred million or more years older than ours would consider our nukes children’s fireworks.

[Topspinmo]

The government couldn't keep the biggest secret of WW II - the atomic bomb! Stalin knew about it long before we used it on Japan. How do you think they could keep real aliens secret?

Do you know anything about government?

[Topspinmo]

Blah ,blah, blah. Clueless till the end ;-)

See, I knew you would be impressed, chip off the old block

[EnglishJW]

As Steven Hawking said (paraphrasing) - If aliens arrive from somewhere way out there we better hope they are friendly.

[manaboutown]

As Steven Hawking said (paraphrasing) - If aliens arrive from somewhere way out there we better hope they are friendly.

Yes because what would be the purpose of their exploration other than to locate and settle on inhabitable planets themselves?

[biker1]

Not necessarily. They might want to explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations.

Yes because what would be the purpose of their exploration other than to locate and settle on inhabitable planets themselves?

[buzzy]

Not necessarily. They might want to explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations.

Or looking for a place to ship their recyclables.

[flyguy909]

You know when you actually see one it tends to shape your opinion. Fifty years ago one night my friend and I were in my back yard in CT. It was the 60's and we would get a kick out of spotting satellites. All of a sudden these 3 glowing disks go right over us at less than 1000 feet.. about the size of small planes. The thing of it was they were going at a very high rate of speed and did not make a single sound. At the time I was in Civil Air Patrol and knew alot about different types of aircraft.. and I know what I saw was not one of 'ours'. Of course our parents laughed it off.

I found out a few years later that a cop on the night shift in the next town over sat in his cruiser one night and watched a disk hover over an electric sub station for several minutes. This sub station is about a mile from my house. He reported it and was ridiculed off the force. I think he wrote a book or an article that was published somewhere about the incident and it's aftermath.

[manaboutown]

One of the men I knew who experienced a UFO sighting was a high level executive in a US subsidiary of a large Japanese company. He was Japanese, not an American. The other one had founded, built and run two successful Silicon Valley companies. Both had engineering degrees. I have known a few others who shared UFO stories confidentially after they got to know me well. They were scientists or engineers, not flakes.

[ColdNoMore]

As Steven Hawking said (paraphrasing) - If aliens arrive from somewhere way out there we better hope they are friendly.

And hope they're papers are in order, otherwise they would be...illegal aliens.




:D

[Lottoguy]

Our club called Exopolitics meets here in The Villages on the third Friday at Laurel Manor. We have been covering this subject for over five years now. If you want to learn more then drop in and learn a few things. Sorry to say, almost all of you have no idea what your talking about. To put it lightly WERE LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF YOU! Have a nice day...

[Lottoguy]

Just because we can't get there doesn't mean they can't get here. They would be so far advanced that to us it would look like magic. These sightings have been going of for centuries.

[Lottoguy]

There were actually over 100,000 people involved in making the atomic bomb. NOT one of them knew what they were making. It was all perfectly handled thru compartmentalization. A practice the government had mastered. Throw in the saying "need to know" and that doubles the security needed.

[Lottoguy]

This 15 page document has been vetted as authentic. Imgur: The magic of the Internet (https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ)

UFO LEAK OF THE CENTURY. Richard Dolan Analyzes the Admiral Wilson Notes. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk7wWp7iL60)

There is more, much more that none of you are aware of.

[biker1]

This is simply not true. Many at Los Alamos knew exactly what they were making. Your average worker at Oak Ridge had no idea what they were doing.

There were actually over 100,000 people involved in making the atomic bomb. NOT one of them knew what they were making. It was all perfectly handled thru compartmentalization. A practice the government had mastered. Throw in the saying "need to know" and that doubles the security needed.

[biker1]

The height of hubris. LOL.

Our club called Exopolitics meets here in The Villages on the third Friday at Laurel Manor. We have been covering this subject for over five years now. If you want to learn more then drop in and learn a few things. Sorry to say, almost all of you have no idea what your talking about. To put it lightly WERE LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF YOU! Have a nice day...

[fl boomer]

History Channel has been doing a whole series on UFO's and the interviews with Ryan Graves has been part of it. I think we've watched 3 episodes so far, and there are more scheduled.

[Fastskiguy]

Wait a second here....people are saying UFO's are a thing but nobody is really saying creatures from other planets are visiting Earth...are they?

[Nucky]

They are here. They Post Amongst Us! :1rotfl:

[Bucco]

This 15 page document has been vetted as authentic. Imgur: The magic of the Internet (https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ)

UFO LEAK OF THE CENTURY. Richard Dolan Analyzes the Admiral Wilson Notes. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk7wWp7iL60)

There is more, much more that none of you are aware of.

I will bite.....you posted a link from a self proclaimed "entertainment site" thus will ask you this question....

WHO vetted it as authentic ?

This is all from one Richard Dolan....

"Richard Michael Dolan (/ˈdoʊlən/; born July 1, 1962) is an American author, historian, publisher, and conspiracy theory analyst, who specializes in the history of the UFO phenomenon, as well as analysis of conspiracy theories, United States national security and the Cold War."

Richard M. Dolan - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Dolan)

i will stick with scientific fact. I have no idea of the truth but lacking any, not one piece of, credible evidence, I will look beyond the conspiracy theories, which any person can begin it seems and it will "get legs" on the internet.

National Enquirer has made a bundle of money off those that "want" a conspiracy theory, and it is "entertainment".

Conspiracy theories lacking concrete facts will eat your mind. This was the rage in the 50's and sixties without the internet and youtube to assist in spreading this stuff.

Is there not enough in the REAL world of interest or worry without manufacturing conspiracy theories ?

[Bucco]

They are here. The Post Amongst Us! :1rotfl:

If you meant They, then I agree.

[ColdNoMore]

Keeping in mind y'all, that there is just as much actual proof or credible evidence proving UFO's are extraterrestrial...as there is that God exists.

Meaning none, as it really boils down to personal beliefs...and just 'faith.'

Just saying.


:duck:

[Fastskiguy]

Keeping in mind y'all, that there is just as much actual proof or credible evidence proving UFO's are extraterrestrial...as there is that God exists.

Meaning none, as it really boils down to personal beliefs...and just 'faith.'

Just saying.


:duck:

Well that definitely stirs the pot! Though I would like to know how religious scientists deal with the supernatural aspects of religion. But that might be a post for another thread :)

[Nucky]

If you meant They, then I agree.

Thanks, Bucco, I'll rest well now. Do you point out when everyone misspells a word or am I a favorite target?

[dewilson58]

They are here. They Post Amongst Us! :1rotfl:




It's difficult for me to hide my green tail when I golf.

[BobnBev]

Keeping in mind y'all, that there is just as much actual proof or credible evidence proving UFO's are extraterrestrial...as there is that God exists.

Meaning none, as it really boils down to personal beliefs...and just 'faith.'

Just saying.


:duck:

Just because you are unaware of credible evidence,doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You're welcome.

[Bucco]

Thanks, Bucco, I'll rest well now. Do you point out when everyone misspells a word or am I a favorite target?

Once you get set in your mind, you never change.

It was a joke......sorry if you are so easily offended.

I will certainly be more careful in the future.

Mea culpa.....you do reserve your humor it appears.

And for the record, you are the first, and I thought it was obviously in jest, but you live and learn.....

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Keeping in mind y'all, that there is just as much actual proof or credible evidence proving UFO's are extraterrestrial...as there is that God exists.

Meaning none, as it really boils down to personal beliefs...and just 'faith.'

Just saying.


:duck:
Faulty comparison. Better comparison:
UFOs exist vs. God exists.

Another better comparison:
UFOs are extraterrestrial vs. God is a supernatural being.

Another better comparison:
UFOs are actually secret government projects
vs.
God is actually a really big male who sits on a throne with a long white beard wearing a robe who talks like Charlton Heston with sound distortion turned on.

The problem with that is - we already know UFOs exist. We have the UFOs themselves as proof of this. What is their source of origin? That's another problem. Speculation is that the government KNOWS the source of origin, and they're just not telling you. Just like evangelical TV ministers insist they know God, that God speaks to them personally and wants you to buy them a jet plane.

Who is telling the truth, who is making things up? Inquiring minds want to know.

[ColdNoMore]

Faulty comparison. Better comparison:
UFOs exist vs. God exists.

Another better comparison:
UFOs are extraterrestrial vs. God is a supernatural being.

Another better comparison:
UFOs are actually secret government projects
vs.
God is actually a really big male who sits on a throne with a long white beard wearing a robe who talks like Charlton Heston with sound distortion turned on.

The problem with that is - we already know UFOs exist. We have the UFOs themselves as proof of this. What is their source of origin? That's another problem. Speculation is that the government KNOWS the source of origin, and they're just not telling you. Just like evangelical TV ministers insist they know God, that God speaks to them personally and wants you to buy them a jet plane.

Who is telling the truth, who is making things up? Inquiring minds want to know.

Sorry...all wrong. ;)


I'll stick with my original comparison...as it's the most accurate. :D

[gego3650]

I would agree with you but Once you have seen one views change.I stood under something that was only a few hundred feet over me.Watched it heard it and saw who ever piloted it in it.The report even uses my last name as the it's name and was done by Hynek.Yes other people saw it.No it wasn't a disk it was like a 707 but only the wings no cabin.And it was a cloud free evening.It made a slight humming sound and stayed over me for 5 mins and then stated to drift away until I lost it in the tree line.I drove to a better viewing area but it was gone.This was 10/27/74 might be off by couple of days but it is public record and was only about 4 miles from Ohare airport in Chicago

[Bucco]

Just because you are unaware of credible evidence,doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You're welcome.

1. You "imply" that there IS credible evidence, and the poster is not aware. Please share.

2. Using your premise, we should discuss goblins under the bridge at Sumter Landing. Have no credible evidence thus it means it may exist.

Again, UFO....unidentified flying objects are just that...UNIDENTIFIED.

[Kenswing]

This forum is for people to discuss and express their opinions Opinion | Definition of Opinion by Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion)
Not for some obnoxious self righteous know-it-alls to demand facts and links that are simply what they choose to believe. If you were actually an intelligent person you would realize that you know nothing Socrates - The only true wisdom is in knowing you know... (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/socrates_101212).
So take that “fact” and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.

Now maybe they will delete my account!You have to do way better than that. That doesn't even qualify for a trip to the Penalty Box.. :1rotfl:

[BobnBev]

1. You "imply" that there IS credible evidence, and the poster is not aware. Please share.

2. Using your premise, we should discuss goblins under the bridge at Sumter Landing. Have no credible evidence thus it means it may exist.

Again, UFO....unidentified flying objects are just that...UNIDENTIFIED.

I don't know what hat you pulled it out of that I "implied" any such thing. Does Roswell or Project Blue Book mean anything to you? Just because I have never seen goblins under the bridge, doesn't mean they aren't there.:ohdear:

[Bucco]

This forum is for people to discuss and express their opinions Opinion | Definition of Opinion by Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion)
Not for some obnoxious self righteous know-it-alls to demand facts and links that are simply what they choose to believe. If you were actually an intelligent person you would realize that you know nothing Socrates - The only true wisdom is in knowing you know... (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/socrates_101212).
So take that “fact” and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.

Now maybe they will delete my account!

That is pretty simplistic.

You suggest that the loudest, biggest mouth, best actor, no matter if what he or she says is incorrect or untrue, who should be listened to. Those who differ, but supply credible facts to support, are to be ignored.

In my life, never in any intelligent discussion among adults was the presentation of factual information frowned upon, or generated such anger.

Actually your quote from Socrates refers to being humble and being aware you know nothing, i.e. Be aware you can learn facts.

Perhaps my education and experience is questionable because, investigation of facts to learn, and listening and reading to learn was the essence of everyone and everything.

[Bucco]

I don't know what hat you pulled it out of that I "implied" any such thing. Does Roswell or Project Blue Book mean anything to you? Just because I have never seen goblins under the bridge, doesn't mean they aren't there.:ohdear:

I will assume that you are not speaking of the various tv shows, movies and books about these subjects.

In actuality, Rosewell and Project Blue Book established nothing, and I think Project Blue Book was disbanded in the late 60's and if you read the facts, which now seems to be a dirty word on here, you will find nothing approaching the "Hollywood" or "conspiracy theories" in various supermarket tabloids. Nothing.

I appreciate folks enjoy this stuff, but when presented as fact, when none exist is....well, again in my world unacceptable.

Oh, and if you wish to believe in the goblins, that is your right. There is so very much to be learned in this universe, this world, this country, this county, I prefer to read about the real world, although enjoy sci fi movies, but understand they are MOVIES, nothing else. Too many folks watch YouTube and absorp tripe that simply messes your mind. No, not saying everyone on YouTube lies, but if anyone watched the hearings on the "messing" with our countries infrastructure, and American systems by those who wish us harm, then you might have an interest in stopping that behavior, and embrace facts more readily.

[Fastskiguy]

Just because you are unaware of credible evidence,doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You're welcome.

I'd be interested in seeing some of this credible evidence.

[Bucco]

I'd be interested in seeing some of this credible evidence.

You will not see any because it does not exist, despite years and years of TV, movies and book.

This thread amazes me because of the ease in which people get caught up in "fantasy" and choose to ignore the real world.

Our REAL world needs a lot of help, and in a sense this thread manifests concern as we openly criticize truth and facts and hold on to, and in facts, seemingly embrace openly things that are patently untrue.

It sounds like some wish to live in this fantasy world of space ships and aliens, while totally and completely ignoring REAL and true threats to our world, and for me, that is scary.

Real honest cyber attacks are ignored and "pooh poohed" while we have this need to believe in fantasies.

[Taltarzac725]

Why we should take UFO sightings seriously | Cosmos (https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/why-we-should-take-ufo-sightings-seriously)

This is quite interesting.

[Bucco]

Why we should take UFO sightings seriously | Cosmos (https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/why-we-should-take-ufo-sightings-seriously)

This is quite interesting.

Allow me to be clear.

I have no objection to the STUDY of this or anything. As I keep sayin, searching for facts and truth is something I readily endorse.

Accepting WITHOUT FACTS is a problem for me.

Rejecting or mocking presentation of facts is a REAL problem for me. Those who mock that but embrace the opposite simply scare me, because the entire basis of their beliefs is based on lies and fantasy.

The link is interesting for sure, but still nothing new is presented except for new studies.

My point is....why do we object to, even make fun of interference in our life that is REAL and absolutely fact proven. Why do we not want to address reality ?

Anyone who says with authority and confidence that the universe offers nothing else living is foolish, and. Do not claim that.

I only post, objecting in the strongest possible way, mocking if facts, truth or the search and need for both.

That is truely objectionable, and embracing fantasy while ignoring the real world is distasteful, scary, and to express anger or mock anyone who wants truth and facts is not only puzzling, but, in my opinion, very abnormal.

We seem to reach out for NON real things, made up fantasies, instead of looking to understand our world as it REALLY and truely is.

[Taltarzac725]

Allow me to be clear.

I have no objection to the STUDY of this or anything. As I keep sayin, searching for facts and truth is something I readily endorse.

Accepting WITHOUT FACTS is a problem for me.

Rejecting or mocking presentation of facts is a REAL problem for me. Those who mock that but embrace the opposite simply scare me, because the entire basis of their beliefs is based on lies and fantasy.

The link is interesting for sure, but still nothing new is presented except for new studies.

My point is....why do we object to, even make fun of interference in our life that is REAL and absolutely fact proven. Why do we not want to address reality ?

Anyone who says with authority and confidence that the universe offers nothing else living is foolish, and. Do not claim that.

I only post, objecting in the strongest possible way, mocking if facts, truth or the search and need for both.

That is truely objectionable, and embracing fantasy while ignoring the real world is distasteful, scary, and to express anger or mock anyone who wants truth and facts is not only puzzling, but, in my opinion, very abnormal.

We seem to reach out for NON real things, made up fantasies, instead of looking to understand our world as it REALLY and truely is.

Cyber warfare is very real and there is a lot of evidence for it. As are many problems plaguing the world but there is very little than most of us can do anything about it. And I better not say more or else it will get political.

I do think that aliens are watching us to keep track of our developments in key areas but ignore us most of the time unless we pose a threat to them. And they would have to get test subjects to see what kind of diseases have evolved in our bodies, etc.

I do believe some of the stories of abduction.

[Bucco]

Cyber warfare is very real and there is a lot of evidence for it. As are many problems plaguing the world but there is very little than most of us can do anything about it. And I better not say more or else it will get political.

I do thing that aliens are watching us to keep track of our developments in key areas but ignore us most of the time unless we pose a threat to them. And they would have to get test subjects to see what kind of diseases have evolved in our bodies, etc.

I do believe some of the stories of abduction.

It is NOT political to be concerned and cyber warfare is a real, tangible threat unattended nor even condemned.

BUT....my point was that folks on here recently on this thread in particular but in general seem to have a bad hatred for truth and facts.

That is something new to me. Hard to believe that people just decided the truth does not count. It is very apparent on here as I, and others, are mocked because we supply backup for our posts or ask where others got any information when they make claims about anything and it is easily proven untrue.

It appears to be a "thing" on the forum, and I simply find it hard to accept that people who post on here could be ANTI fact, or ANTI truth.....boggles the mind.

Any discussion, in the past on this forum was a give and take based on facts and truths...the discussions were not based on whether the facts presented were true because people supplied credible links and the discussion was all revolved around the facts.

You cannot.....CANNOT...have an adult discussion without truths. It is a playground yelling match among kids instead an adult discussion.

I simply am posting saying the mocking of folks who respect facts and truth is sort of like young children who have a tantrum.

I am sick of being mocked on other threads simply because I ask somebody to show me how you arrived at what I think and try to show as a lie.

[ColdNoMore]

It is NOT political to be concerned and cyber warfare is a real, tangible threat unattended nor even condemned.

BUT....my point was that folks on here recently on this thread in particular but in general seem to have a bad hatred for truth and facts.

That is something new to me. Hard to believe that people just decided the truth does not count. It is very apparent on here as I, and others, are mocked because we supply backup for our posts or ask where others got any information when they make claims about anything and it is easily proven untrue.

It appears to be a "thing" on the forum, and I simply find it hard to accept that people who post on here could be ANTI fact, or ANTI truth.....boggles the mind.

Any discussion, in the past on this forum was a give and take based on facts and truths...the discussions were not based on whether the facts presented were true because people supplied credible links and the discussion was all revolved around the facts.

You cannot.....CANNOT...have an adult discussion without truths. It is a playground yelling match among kids instead an adult discussion.

I simply am posting saying the mocking of folks who respect facts and truth is sort of like young children who have a tantrum.

I am sick of being mocked on other threads simply because I ask somebody to show me how you arrived at what I think and try to show as a lie.

Well said. :thumbup:

It's a fact, that some folks don't understand the difference in an opinion...and the truth/facts.

When dealing with actual facts, one can always speculate or provide their opinion on how that something became a fact, but to simply state that "everything is an opinion," or even that all opinions are created equal (regardless of the credible research, or lack thereof, behind those opinions)...is simply ludicrous. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

Ironically, this thread is just in time for...


World UFO Day (Terrestrial's click here) (http:////nationaltoday.com/world-ufo-day/)

World UFO Day 2019 – July 2

“I want to believe.” These are the words of notorious X-Files hero Fox Mulder, who convinced an entire generation that the truth is out there – we just have to find it.

But on July 2, it won’t only be sci-fi enthusiasts trying out their ET sleuthing skills, as everyone on planet earth will have to opportunity to celebrate World UFO Day.



:ho:

[Taltarzac725]

They are here. They Post Amongst Us! :1rotfl:

Now that is NOTHING but funny.