HAPPY Independence Day in The Villages!

[DeanFL]

Unfortunately, in some ways one wouldn't quite know it. In so many areas around TV, including my 'hood many folks didn't put out flags. Easy to see that patriotism is waning across the country... and sadly even in our Villages. Can't some folks show their pride and thankfulness for our GREAT country despite their personal issues with you-know-who?

If you do respond to this - DO NOT make it political. But, why else would folks NOT put out their flags etc.

sad :shrug:

[Chi-Town]

In my hood half the people aren't here.

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[CWGUY]

Unfortunately, in some ways one wouldn't quite know it. In so many areas around TV, including my 'hood many folks didn't put out flags. Easy to see that patriotism is waning across the country... and sadly even in our Villages. Can't some folks show their pride and thankfulness for our GREAT country despite their personal issues with you-know-who?

If you do respond to this - DO NOT make it political. But, why else would folks NOT put out their flags etc.

sad :shrug:

barf

[bobthegolfer]

In my Hood, on the North End of The Villages, Flags are flying everywhere. When you drive down the streets, as far as you can see there are Flags flying along the Curbs. Patriotism is alive and well on the North End!

[CWGUY]

In my Hood, on the North End of The Villages, Flags are flying everywhere. When you drive down the streets, as far as you can see there are Flags flying along the Curbs. Patriotism is alive and well on the North End!

:) I agree! Happy 4th.

[dewilson58]

Putting a flag (or 20 flags) in your front yard, WITHOUT PROPER LIGHTING, does not indicate patriotism or the lack there of.

[Madelaine Amee]

"Patriotism" is NOT waning. My little village has very few flags and usually you cannot see the curb for the flags up and down each street. But, I do think this is a way in which people can show their dismay. This too shall pass .............

[Taltarzac725]

In my hood half the people aren't here.

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Snow birds and people enjoying their grand kids some where other than the Villages.

I have our 13 little flags out as do many of the neighbors. Big and small US flags. Some with lighting, most without.

[Nucky]

Unfortunately, in some ways one wouldn't quite know it. In so many areas around TV, including my 'hood many folks didn't put out flags. Easy to see that patriotism is waning across the country... and sadly even in our Villages. Can't some folks show their pride and thankfulness for our GREAT country despite their personal issues with you-know-who?

If you do respond to this - DO NOT make it political. But, why else would folks NOT put out their flags etc.

sad :shrug:

If You Know Who Is Who I Think It Is Then The Flag Is an Important Issue and I thank you for bringing it up, but I Know Who Already Made This Political By Typing You Know Who!

Several years ago people who spent plenty and lined their property with our Flag's were reprimanded for putting the Flags to close to the ground. Maybe this has something to do with it. Our neighborhood flies The Flag on modest Flagpoles year round. I just upgraded to the one that I can at least fly at half mast when needed. There is even a better flagpole that has the rope for raising and lowering the flag inside.

Happy Fourth Of July DeanFl! :ho:

[CWGUY]

If You Know Who Is Who I Think It Is Then The Flag Is an Important Issue and I thank you for bringing it up, but I Know Who Already Made This Political By Typing You Know Who!

Several years ago people who spent plenty and lined their property with our Flag's were reprimanded for putting the Flags to close to the ground. Maybe this has something to do with it. Our neighborhood flies The Flag on modest Flagpoles year round. I just upgraded to the one that I can at least fly at half mast when needed. There is even a better flagpole that has the rope for raising and lowering the flag inside.

Happy Fourth Of July DeanFl! :ho:

:BigApplause:

[Polar Bear]

Plenty of flags in our neighborhood, including ours. Patriotism is alive and well. :)

[Velvet]

Happy Fourth of July, everybody!

[Bucco]

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

This is what has seperated our country from others.

[ColdNoMore]

Displaying, or not displaying, the red, white & blue...has no correlation to being 'patriotic.'

That can only come from living by, and supporting, those ideals (equality/altruism/ethics/integrity/honesty/Etc.) that made this nation great...in the first place.


A Happy Independence Day to all...true Americans. :thumbup:

[DonH57]

Putting a flag (or 20 flags) in your front yard, WITHOUT PROPER LIGHTING, does not indicate patriotism or the lack there of.

I agree. If it's one thing I do miss is our 20 foot flagpole that bent and broke because this dumbass forgot to pull the flag before a quick summer storm and snap, it went down.:ohdear:

[graciegirl]

Plenty of flags in our neighborhood, including ours. Patriotism is alive and well. :)

Us too.

[Marathon Man]

So, if you don't fly a flag, it is an indication that you are not patriotic?

[John_W]

Where I live, as soon as you enter St. Charles from Buena Vista traffic Circle for over a mile from St. James to the Buttonwood are flags on both sides of the road. Then on our street in Southern Star Villas, 13 villas and 12 have flags all along the curve. Everywhere I go I see flags. Doesn't mean you're anymore patriotic then the next person, it just means you like to show your appreciation.

[Bucco]

Like to share two things....

First this quote from Adlai Stevenson....

"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime."

Secondly,

Appreciation for what the flag means to real honest heroes..Sen John McCain shared this story in a speech, a true story accredited many times over. Take the time to read it, if you will.


"As you may know, I spent 5½ five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room. This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.

One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian. Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn’t wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old.

At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967.
Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country, and our military, provide for people who want to work and want to succeed. As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing. Mike got himself a bamboo needle.

Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed it on the inside of his shirt. Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike’s shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance. I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell, it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike’s shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it. That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours.

Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could. The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room. As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag.

He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.

So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world.

You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

John S. McCain: Mike Christian: A POW Story (https://iwvpa.net/mccainjs/index.php)

[Kenswing]

Patriotism should be displayed every day. The 4th of July is to commemorate kicking England's butt.. :popcorn:

[Arctic Fox]

In so many areas around TV, including my 'hood many folks didn't put out flags. Easy to see that patriotism is waning across the country

Patriotism is defined as: "strong feelings of love, respect, and duty toward your country".

For some people, putting flags in the lawn is an outward manifestation of these feelings.

For others, it may be changing their profile picture on Facebook to include a flag.

Times change.

[Bucco]

"Waving the flag can be an outward sign of patriotism, but let’s not cheapen the term by ever suggesting that it’s anything more than a sign. And while it’s always fitting to mourn those who lost their lives simply because they resided on American soil, that too does not define patriotism."

"I’m a patriotic American because I revere the ideas that motivated the Founders and compelled them, in many instances, to put their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor on the line.

What ideas? Read the Declaration of Independence again. Or, if you’re like most Americans these days, read it for the very first time. It’s all there. All men are created equal. They are endowed not by government but by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Premier among those rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Government must be limited to protecting the peace and preserving our liberties, and doing so through the consent of the governed. It’s the right of a free people to rid themselves of a government that becomes destructive of those ends, as our Founders did in a supreme act of courage and defiance more than two hundred years ago.

The True Meaning of Patriotism - Foundation for Economic Education (https://fee.org/articles/the-true-meaning-of-patriotism/)

Wave the flag proudly, BUT live what it means always.

[graciegirl]

I think I am correct in seeing a LOT of people who love this country who live here in The Villages. I don't think their patriotism needs to be examined or challenged.

[Chi-Town]

Check all the different gate entrances. You'll see a variety of patriotic displays bought and put up by the residents of their Village.

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[valuemkt]

Where I live, as soon as you enter St. Charles from Buena Vista traffic Circle for over a mile from St. James to the Buttonwood are flags on both sides of the road. Then on our street in Southern Star Villas, 13 villas and 12 have flags all along the curve. Everywhere I go I see flags. Doesn't mean you're anymore patriotic then the next person, it just means you like to show your appreciation.


:bigbow: Thanks John was just going to post the same .. At Charles, Buttonwood, Bailey .. I've never lived in a community that has so many flags flying throughout the year, and has their yard lined with the little flags on holidays. I wonder if the glass half full posters bothered to put theirs out, or ride around the neighborhoods to see..or whether they just get their jollies grumbling.. It's a glorious holiday.

[Marathon Man]

Many great responses. I salute you.

[alwann]

How about wearing shoes that feature the Betsy Ross-designed American flag? Would this be considered patriotic? Some troubled minds think it might be racist.

The Wall Street Journal reported earlier that Nike (NKE) delivered the sneakers to retailers, but asked stores to return them to Nike after the company received a complaint from former NFL star Colin Kaepernick. The Journal indicated Kaepernick said he and others found the shoe offensive because of its ties to America's era of slavery.

Gee, I wonder if Kap knows G. Washington had slaves? Maybe the first prez's face should be removed from the money and his monument knocked down.

[Bucco]

I think I am correct in seeing a LOT of people who love this country who live here in The Villages. I don't think their patriotism needs to be examined or challenged.

The implication all over this thread is that not having a flag outside implies a lack of patriotism.

Patriotism is not words, not planting flags...it is living it each day with your actions.

As someone who has served this country proudly, in the militRy, in government and political work and in many charitable endeavors, many specifically in the name of and at the request of our country, comments like this are extremely offensive.

Someone said on this thread that Times change.....I agree, but this definition has not changed, and the lack of respect is apparent.

I am sure this will get reported and deleted...."Times Change"....but I need no help in completely defining and living patriotism to my country.

[Bucco]

Frankly, while you folks are patting yourself on the back while counting flags, I suggest you look in the mirror, and ask if you are living the ideals of our great country, clearly stated but not repeated.

That is if you have time

[fw102807]

Frankly, while you folks are patting yourself on the back while counting flags, I suggest you look in the mirror, and ask if you are living the ideals of our great country, clearly stated but not repeated.

That is if you have time

One of the ideals of this country is freedom of speech which you try to stifle with anyone who does not agree with you or questions your facts. You do not need to minimize the displays of patriotism by people who proudly display the flag of their country. My father in law had one placed on his casket so it truly means something.

[Kenswing]

How about wearing shoes that feature the Betsy Ross-designed American flag? Would this be considered patriotic? Some troubled minds think it might be racist.

The Wall Street Journal reported earlier that Nike (NKE) delivered the sneakers to retailers, but asked stores to return them to Nike after the company received a complaint from former NFL star Colin Kaepernick. The Journal indicated Kaepernick said he and others found the shoe offensive because of its ties to America's era of slavery.

Gee, I wonder if Kap knows G. Washington had slaves? Maybe the first prez's face should be removed from the money and his monument knocked down.

Unfortunately we live in a day and age that everything will be offensive to someone. People nowadays seem to go out of their way to be offended by something.

[Bucco]

One of the ideals of this country is freedom of speech which you try to stifle with anyone who does not agree with you or questions your facts. You do not need to minimize the displays of patriotism by people who proudly display the flag of their country. My father in law had one placed on his casket so it truly means something.

Sorry about your father in law for sure. God has him now.

I know that feeling from being there and then attending so many funerals of friends of mine, both made in Nam and at home.

I was responding to a post that implied that if someone does not have a flag they are not patriotic.

Not sure what you are offended by. Read the posts and imagine being a vet or whatever and not having a flag outside. Actually, the OP in the first post alluded to "patriotism waning" because HE did not see many flags. That is hogwash. From post 1 "Easy to see that patriotism is waning across the country." because this poster, in his opinion it was EASY to tell tht
NOBODY questioned anyone about flying flags...that was made up by the poster.....I simply am offended by this line "I don't think their patriotism needs to be examined or challenged." since nobody questioned anyone EXCEPT for alluding to patriotism as someone who flies a flag and thus if you dont....

And nobody minimized anything....EVER.

Patriotism is not adherence to ANY political stance, but love of country OVER AND ABOVE any political stance. When people are called names because of political beliefs or endorse that, it is a far cry from patriotism and in fact is the opposite.

[Bucco]

Unfortunately we live in a day and age that everything will be offensive to someone. People nowadays seem to go out of their way to be offended by something.

YEP,,,,,every single day and it is a shame.

This is the one thing I, as an old man, can say....it sure is not like the old days wen personal attacks did not happen, at least in public.

You are correct

[DeanFL]

Good to hear from many of the folks here that in their 'hood in TV, flags ARE flying.

Retirees our age are no doubt THE MOST PATRIOTIC age group in the gold ole USA. Many independent studies have shown this; on the other hand many studies do show that 'being proud of the country' has waned in 'younger groups' over the years. Of course the USA is and never will reach perfection. In MANY people's opinion no other country comes close to OUR country for all the good points.

Patriotism need not be overtly shown with a flag around our homes or an emblem on clothing or such. But, there IS a strong evidence of patriotism by (at the least) one standing silently for the anthem with head covering off, and honoring our fallen heroes.

[Bucco]

Good to hear from many of the folks here that in their 'hood in TV, flags ARE flying.

Retirees our age are no doubt THE MOST PATRIOTIC age group in the gold ole USA. Many independent studies have shown this; on the other hand many studies do show that 'being proud of the country' has waned in 'younger groups' over the years. Of course the USA is and never will reach perfection. In MANY people's opinion no other country comes close to OUR country for all the good points.

Patriotism need not be overtly shown with a flag around our homes or an emblem on clothing or such. But, there IS a strong evidence of patriotism by (at the least) one standing silently for the anthem with head covering off, and honoring our fallen heroes.

BUT.....YOU SAID THIS ORIGINALLY....
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" HAPPY Independence Day in The Villages!
Unfortunately, in some ways one wouldn't quite know it. In so many areas around TV, including my 'hood many folks didn't put out flags. Easy to see that patriotism is waning across the country... and sadly even in our Villages. Can't some folks show their pride and thankfulness for our GREAT country despite their personal issues with you-know-who?

If you do respond to this - DO NOT make it political. But, why else would folks NOT put out their flags etc.

sad
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this new post is intended to be political but I think you know that and on behalf of all those VILLAGERS (since you specifically mentioned them) and others who are not flying sufficient flags to have you annoint them as patriotic, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW ?

[New Englander]

Unfortunately we live in a day and age that everything will be offensive to someone. People nowadays seem to go out of their way to be offended by something.

True, but when someone finds a version of our flag offensive and a major shoemaker recalls the shoes that display said flag. That is beyond despicable. I know I would never purchase one of their products.

[EdFNJ]

Unfortunately, in some ways one wouldn't quite know it. In so many areas around TV, including my 'hood many folks didn't put out flags. Easy to see that patriotism is waning across the country... and sadly even in our Villages. Can't some folks show their pride and thankfulness for our GREAT country despite their personal issues with you-know-who?


If you do respond to this - DO NOT make it political. But, why else would folks NOT put out their flags etc.


sad :shrug:

For the same reason everyone doesn’t put out Christmas lights or Easter bunnies or Chanukah lights . NOT doing so doesn’t make them less patriotic or religious. You don’t need to flash symbols to prove you do or don’t believe in (edit: and/or love) something. It's what's in your heart that matters. While it likely wasn't intended to be, I find your post personally insulting (edit: and hurtful)

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[Bucco]

For the same reason everyone doesn’t put out Christmas lights or Easter bunnies or Chanukah lights . NOT doing so doesn’t make them less patriotic or religious. You don’t need to flash symbols to prove you do or don’t believe in something. It's what's in your heart that matters. While it likely wasn't intended to be, I find your post personally insulting (edit: and hurtful)

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80085

Thanks for your post. It may have been unintended, but lots of changes to explain...nothing.

[EdFNJ]

Thanks for your post. It may have been unintended, but lots of changes to explain...nothing.

Yes, there have been a lot of changes both good and bad but the OP IMO is equating and incorrectly GENERALIZING a physical display of a symbol with one's lack of patriotism. That is absurd and insulting. There are a lot better ways to have expressed his feeling without insinuating (whether on purpose or simply due to lack of proper writing skills) that because, as an example, I don't hang a flag on my house on 4 July.