Vip brownwood 7/4/2019 $50

[JMEZARIC3]

I am up north now but what is the story about Brownwood tonight. A VIP tent for $50.
Who gets the money?

[bagboy]

Who cares? Tell your family you love them, and enjoy your 4th of July.

[JoMar]

I agree, who cares. The square will be open to everyone. If those that are willing to pay want to pay to have a guaranteed seat and access then good for them. The VIP stuff is sold out. It is going to be very, very crowded.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I am up north now but what is the story about Brownwood tonight. A VIP tent for $50.
Who gets the money?

I'm sorry the previous two posters are dismissive of your question. Civil-minded people appreciate that there are no stupid questions and if they don't know the answer and don't care about the topic, they'd simply not respond.

I did some checking and found The Villages Entertainment website's blurb on the event here:
All American Brews and Cruise VIP Experience - The Villages Entertainment : The Villages Entertainment (https://www.thevillagesentertainment.com/event/all-american-brews-and-cruise-vip-experience/)

For $50 you get: VIP tent access, reserved seating, direct access to the dance floor, bluefin appetizers, 2 free drink tickets, and a VIP cash bar.

I don't know what the appetizer menu is, whether those drink tickets are for any drink or only a select list, nor do I know if that cash bar has reduced pricing, or any special drinks that might cost more (or less), nor do I know if happy hour pricing will be valid at this cash bar. The website didn't specify one way or another.

Two tickets would be 80 bucks, a savings of 10 dollars per person. A table for 6 is $225, which comes out to $37.50 per person, a savings of $12.50 per person.

All of the rest of the event is free to everyone, including non-reserved seating, market vendors, an information tent with a drawing for some kind of prize, a craft beer tent (which I assume you'd have to pay for the beer itself, you just don't have to pay an entry fee to get in line), food trucks (you definitely have to pay them for the food), and the actual entertainment itself.

I don't know who gets the money but The Villages Entertainment is a for-profit entity.

[BobnBev]

Looks like it will get rained out. We are right in the middle of a large thunderstorm. I'll loan you my umbrella for 10 bucks.:clap2:

[bob47]

I'm sorry the previous two posters are dismissive of your question. Civil-minded people appreciate that there are no stupid questions and if they don't know the answer and don't care about the topic, they'd simply not respond.

I did some checking and found The Villages Entertainment website's blurb on the event here:
All American Brews and Cruise VIP Experience - The Villages Entertainment : The Villages Entertainment (https://www.thevillagesentertainment.com/event/all-american-brews-and-cruise-vip-experience/)

For $50 you get: VIP tent access, reserved seating, direct access to the dance floor, bluefin appetizers, 2 free drink tickets, and a VIP cash bar.

I don't know what the appetizer menu is, whether those drink tickets are for any drink or only a select list, nor do I know if that cash bar has reduced pricing, or any special drinks that might cost more (or less), nor do I know if happy hour pricing will be valid at this cash bar. The website didn't specify one way or another.

Two tickets would be 80 bucks, a savings of 10 dollars per person. A table for 6 is $225, which comes out to $37.50 per person, a savings of $12.50 per person.

All of the rest of the event is free to everyone, including non-reserved seating, market vendors, an information tent with a drawing for some kind of prize, a craft beer tent (which I assume you'd have to pay for the beer itself, you just don't have to pay an entry fee to get in line), food trucks (you definitely have to pay them for the food), and the actual entertainment itself.

I don't know who gets the money but The Villages Entertainment is a for-profit entity.

I almost alway agree with your position, but more important, I want to recognize that you always post a civil, well-reasoned, and helpful reply.

[Villageswimmer]

I almost alway agree with your position, but more important, I want to recognize that you always post a civil, well-reasoned, and helpful reply.

+1. I was going to post the same. Factual and nonjudgmental post, Jaz.

Happy 4th to all.

[JoMar]

Don't think our posts were judgmental, the information was publicly available if one wanted to look for it. My opinion was "who cares" who gets the money. There always seems to be hidden agenda's that someone is doing something sneaky when there is a charge or that somehow someone is gaining an advantage over someone that doesn't want to participate. Saying we were dismissive is ok, it is your opinion though misguided.

[raynan]

Not a very big turnout unfortunately in Brownwood. There were thunderstorms but I watched the webcam and saw people dancing with their umbrellas to Johnny Wild til 9pm and Scooter over in Spanish Springs til 9pm. Sumter Landing closed down earlier. Too bad because a lot of planning went into it.

[Sage327]

Just out of curiosity where was this VIP tent supposed to be set up? I did not see it on the webcam so I guess it never made it.

[EdFNJ]

Just out of curiosity where was this VIP tent supposed to be set up? In the VIP area. Where else? :1rotfl: (Sorry, couldn't resist).

[stan the man]

:bigbow:Who cares? Tell your family you love them, and enjoy your 4th of July.

[Cedwards38]

If you can buy your way into the VIP tent, then that means most of us are not. Just sayin.

[Marathon Man]

Don't think our posts were judgmental, the information was publicly available if one wanted to look for it. My opinion was "who cares" who gets the money. There always seems to be hidden agenda's that someone is doing something sneaky when there is a charge or that somehow someone is gaining an advantage over someone that doesn't want to participate. Saying we were dismissive is ok, it is your opinion though misguided.

I agree with this. Too often some of our friends and neighbors look for some underhanded goings-on. Clearly, this was simply a money making vehture for the company that made it happen. I chose not to give them my money. Just not a big deal. BTW - they seemed to have recognized a gap, because it sold out.

[ureout]

here is my problem with the VIP seating... I've been here 17 yrs. and it never mattered if you lived in a Villa or a premier home once you left your home everyone was equal to all the FREE programs and events.. The dream of Harold Schwartz.. I have no idea where anything was or would have been setup if not for the rain.. what I think is wrong is for someone to be able to cordon off a section and say this is for VIPS's if you want to have PRIME seating and a direct entrance to guarantee to get on the dance floor you must pay... it has always been my understanding and have heard the announcements hundreds of times NO SAVED SEATING .. I guess now they will have to change that recording to unless you have $50

[starflyte1]

here is my problem with the VIP seating... I've been here 17 yrs. and it never mattered if you lived in a Villa or a premier home once you left your home everyone was equal to all the FREE programs and events.. The dream of Harold Schwartz.. I have no idea where anything was or would have been setup if not for the rain.. what I think is wrong is for someone to be able to cordon off a section and say this is for VIPS's if you want to have PRIME seating and a direct entrance to guarantee to get on the dance floor you must pay... it has always been my understanding and have heard the announcements hundreds of times NO SAVED SEATING .. I guess now they will have to change that recording to unless you have $50
Ureout. I agree. If any part of the square regularly available to everyone was blocked off for VIP paid space, that is not right.

[Gpsma]

Waot until they charge for VIP golfing.

The door is open now

[Villageswimmer]

here is my problem with the VIP seating... I've been here 17 yrs. and it never mattered if you lived in a Villa or a premier home once you left your home everyone was equal to all the FREE programs and events.. The dream of Harold Schwartz.. I have no idea where anything was or would have been setup if not for the rain.. what I think is wrong is for someone to be able to cordon off a section and say this is for VIPS's if you want to have PRIME seating and a direct entrance to guarantee to get on the dance floor you must pay... it has always been my understanding and have heard the announcements hundreds of times NO SAVED SEATING .. I guess now they will have to change that recording to unless you have $50


Ya know, I hadn’t given it much thought, but I think you’re right! This isn’t in keeping with the Villages tradition and one of the beautiful things about TV. This may have been a trial balloon to see how it would be accepted. The more I think about it, the less I find it acceptable. Think of all the events where this special “VIP” class/status symbol could be applied. A slippery slope.

[villagetinker]

I agree with above, and will go one step further, and state this needs to be stopped and stopped now.

[ColdNoMore]

here is my problem with the VIP seating... I've been here 17 yrs. and it never mattered if you lived in a Villa or a premier home once you left your home everyone was equal to all the FREE programs and events.. The dream of Harold Schwartz.. I have no idea where anything was or would have been setup if not for the rain.. what I think is wrong is for someone to be able to cordon off a section and say this is for VIPS's if you want to have PRIME seating and a direct entrance to guarantee to get on the dance floor you must pay... it has always been my understanding and have heard the announcements hundreds of times NO SAVED SEATING .. I guess now they will have to change that recording to unless you have $50

:thumbup:

[JoMar]

Another point of view......access to the squares was not denied to anyone and was still free. What happened, as I see it, those that pay for the entertainment (the merchants) came up with a plan to add another level of enjoyment. I remember some years ago some of the activities included tables around the squares so you could get something to eat and sit at one of the tables. Then, people didn't leave and sat there to watch the activities and those that wanted to sit and eat couldn't. As expected, the solution was no more tables. I stated earlier, I don't believe the VIP area had any impact on access to the square. You could still get chairs and still take your own chair. A little hard to actually judge the impact because of the rain but those that designed this VIP offer are those that pay for the entertainment. Happy hour was still open, the bars were still open, the restaurants were still open, the stores maintained their usual hours. The street around the square was closed for the muscle cars, food trucks and the tents. And, as you know, the food trucks are usually around the squares for other activities.

[dewilson58]

I don't think the VIP package is that big of a thing. Some people like to be pampered for a few dollars.


I could see some neighbors all chipping in and making an evening out of it.


"Trying something new".



Let's not be so up tight about everything.

[EdFNJ]

Doubt they would sell VIP tickets for other "normal" days when Johnny or Rocky are playing. This was a special holiday event where they could extract a few extra bucks from all those who want to be a VIP. I did find "Direct Dance Floor Access" quite humorous as an advertised benny. It's not like you'd have to walk far for "indirect" dance floor access. It's for those who just want to feel "special." There are always lots of people who will pay anything to have their egos massaged. :)

[biker1]

Wrong. With the exception of the amenities south of 44 (which haven't been turned over yet), the amenities are owned by the CDDs, not the Developer. The amenities fee, which is paid to the CDDs, pays for the amenities. The Developer does get some of the money for the amenities not yet turned over to the CDDs. There is a "Villages 101" class that will explain how this place actually works and who owns what.

That's a slippery slope kind of attitude though. How about they charge admission to the Town Squares. And then they can charge admission to all the executive golf courses and change their advertising so it doesn't claim it's free anymore.

Meanwhile, they can start charging admission to the dog parks, the archery range, and a per-use fee for all of the pools. In order to get in, you have to swipe your card. When you do that, it will automatically deduct $2.49 from your checking account.

They own it, so they have the right to do it as they see fit. No one says you have to like it.

Right?

[BobnBev]

That's a slippery slope kind of attitude though. How about they charge admission to the Town Squares. And then they can charge admission to all the executive golf courses and change their advertising so it doesn't claim it's free anymore.

Meanwhile, they can start charging admission to the dog parks, the archery range, and a per-use fee for all of the pools. In order to get in, you have to swipe your card. When you do that, it will automatically deduct $2.49 from your checking account.

They own it, so they have the right to do it as they see fit. No one says you have to like it.

Right?

Absolutely right, and don't be surprised if it comes to pass.
I hope you haven't given the developer any ideas.

[biker1]

Read post #27.

Absolutely right, and don't be surprised if it comes to pass.
I hope you haven't given the developer any ideas.

[PennBF]

The VIP plan is VERY SAD as it starts to set up a "pecking order"for the Villager's. One of the most attractive thing about the Villages was all residents were equal. This takes that concept away. This sets up the villages can be bought and that is the start of a new profile of The Villages. We have a number of facilities for which you can purchase tickets, (e.g. Sharon,Savannah Center,) while the Town Squares were for everyone. That has now been broken because of "GREED". It opens the doors to more expansions of GREED. I hope the Developer sees the poor taste this brings to The Villages.:ohdear:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Nitpicking on a word. Fine then. There is nothing from stopping the CDD from voting to implement extra charges and fees for amenities. The country clubs have their own version of VIP "status" for value-added amenities. All they need to do is decide a) is it legal under the local, state, and federal jurisdiction? b) is it possible? c) can they get a majority vote from the board members/officers? If the answer to all 3 is yes, then they can do it.

They supposedly work in the interests of what's best for the Villages from a governmental perspective (rather than who owns the trademark of the name) but if THEY are the legal representation of the Villages from a governmental perspective, then yes they absolutely can make those changes to government policy, since they ARE the government of the community. They can change the deed restrictions on a going-forward basis, they can even tell everyone currently living here, that everyone who moves in after tomorrow afternoon, will be given a free pink plastic flamingo to put on their front lawn, and are allowed to put up privacy fencing anywhere they like so long as it doesn't violate county zoning ordinances. They can change the restrictions to allow people to paint their house any color they want, they can put out crosses, rebel flags, fairy statues and halloween decorations all year round, lift pick-up trucks on cinder blocks in their own driveway, and they can add to the lawn maintenance rule an extra clause that requires you to keep and maintain a vegetable garden in your front yard. They can even change the entire district to be energy-efficient and order all new construction to have solar panels, and anyone wanting to replace the roof on their existing home required to add solar panels.

They can do all these things, as long as they are within the actual law (not merely a covenant of a housing development).

They CAN do these things, and the more it gets done within the Villages by the Developer, the more precedence they have to prove their right and reason if the time comes for them to make such a decision. That doesn't mean they will, but don't think for a moment that they can't. What do you think will happen when the NEXT generation of Morses decide they don't want to be "the Developer" anymore, and go into some other business entirely? What happens if the people who become the next batch of CDD officers decide they want to make the Villages look more natural and less planned? What if they simply don't actually care about the Villages and just want to make enough money to skip out and move to the Keys?

They CAN do all these things. The Villages is, for all intents and purposes, owned and managed by benevolent dictators. We choose to accept this when we move in. Don't think for a moment that they "can't" decide to stop being benevolent, or that their replacements upon retirement "can't" be less than benevolent. They certainly can.

[biker1]

There is no nitpicking involved. What you stated in your post was wrong. You are, again, wrong on many items below. For example, the amenities fee increases are limited to the CPI. The maintenance fee can be increased by the CDDs but that is different from the amenities fee. Your deed restrictions are fixed at the time you bought your house. The deed restrictions can be changed for future areas. Please stop conflating the amenities with the country clubs. The country clubs are owned by the Developer. The amenities are owned by the CDDs.

While the Developer decides what amenities to install, once they are turned over (to the CDDs), the CDDs manage them. Many of the things you suggested are beyond the scope of the CDDs. You clearly have no idea of the purpose of the CDDs. CDDs were created in Florida to ensure the continuation of the amenities, and other infrastructures, once the Developer left. They are state regulated and have fiduciary responsibility to maintain what they manage and own. The Developer owns the country clubs, the amenities not yet turned over to the CDDs, and the commercial properties, including the squares. Everything else is owned by the individual homeowners, the county, and the CDDs. You should educate yourself before spouting off in the future.

Nitpicking on a word. Fine then. There is nothing from stopping the CDD from voting to implement extra charges and fees for amenities. The country clubs have their own version of VIP "status" for value-added amenities. All they need to do is decide a) is it legal under the local, state, and federal jurisdiction? b) is it possible? c) can they get a majority vote from the board members/officers? If the answer to all 3 is yes, then they can do it.

They supposedly work in the interests of what's best for the Villages from a governmental perspective (rather than who owns the trademark of the name) but if THEY are the legal representation of the Villages from a governmental perspective, then yes they absolutely can make those changes to government policy, since they ARE the government of the community. They can change the deed restrictions on a going-forward basis, they can even tell everyone currently living here, that everyone who moves in after tomorrow afternoon, will be given a free pink plastic flamingo to put on their front lawn, and are allowed to put up privacy fencing anywhere they like so long as it doesn't violate county zoning ordinances. They can change the restrictions to allow people to paint their house any color they want, they can put out crosses, rebel flags, fairy statues and halloween decorations all year round, lift pick-up trucks on cinder blocks in their own driveway, and they can add to the lawn maintenance rule an extra clause that requires you to keep and maintain a vegetable garden in your front yard. They can even change the entire district to be energy-efficient and order all new construction to have solar panels, and anyone wanting to replace the roof on their existing home required to add solar panels.

They can do all these things, as long as they are within the actual law (not merely a covenant of a housing development).

They CAN do these things, and the more it gets done within the Villages by the Developer, the more precedence they have to prove their right and reason if the time comes for them to make such a decision. That doesn't mean they will, but don't think for a moment that they can't. What do you think will happen when the NEXT generation of Morses decide they don't want to be "the Developer" anymore, and go into some other business entirely? What happens if the people who become the next batch of CDD officers decide they want to make the Villages look more natural and less planned? What if they simply don't actually care about the Villages and just want to make enough money to skip out and move to the Keys?

They CAN do all these things. The Villages is, for all intents and purposes, owned and managed by benevolent dictators. We choose to accept this when we move in. Don't think for a moment that they "can't" decide to stop being benevolent, or that their replacements upon retirement "can't" be less than benevolent. They certainly can.

[Turnbull007]

What time does the Brownwood Market open today

[Skip]

I heard that the Entertainment Dept. solicited Muscle Car owners to bring their nice cars to Brownwood for this Fourth of July event. They wanted 35 cars.

Then the owners found out, the CAR OWNER had to pay for that "privilege" plus submit 4 photographs before early July. What's with that?

So not only are the spectators charged, the people and clubs helping to make it a fun event are being charged.

Soon, if you are Twirlers, Cloggers or other Club that performs or participates in events on the squares, you'll have to pay for that "privilege".

Also, how would you like to be a restaurant owner on the square (paying high rent to be there) and see a "food truck" parked in front of your business?

THIS IS WRONG!

Skip

[dewilson58]

An annual event (or events)...........maybe a number of annual events two or three or four times per year..............is setting up a pecker order???


What a joke.


Seems to be a pecker order already.............housing prices from $100,000 to $2,000,000.


Not to mention clothes, golf carts, pickleball paddles, golf clubs, cars, Fresh Market vs Winn Dixie, top-shelf vs. well. I actually saw someone buying premium gas. OH MY!!!!





Peck, Peck, Peck. Pick Pick, Pick. :blahblahblah: :blahblahblah: :blahblahblah:

[biker1]

They have had food trucks at Brownwood during special events on certain holidays for several years now. This happens a few times a year. Most of the restaurants are still there. Regarding paying a fee to display my car, I have two thoughts. They would not want my car and if they did I wouldn't pay a fee ;-) Whatever floats your boat.

I heard that the Entertainment Dept. solicited Muscle Car owners to bring their nice cars to Brownwood for this Fourth of July event. They wanted 35 cars.

Then the owners found out, the CAR OWNER had to pay for that "privilege" plus submit 4 photographs before early July. What's with that?

So not only are the spectators charged, the people and clubs helping to make it a fun event are being charged.

Soon, if you are Twirlers, Cloggers or other Club that performs or participates in events on the squares, you'll have to pay for that "privilege".

Also, how would you like to be a restaurant owner on the square (paying high rent to be there) and see a "food truck" parked in front of your business?

THIS IS WRONG!

Skip

[Marathon Man]

The VIP plan is VERY SAD as it starts to set up a "pecking order"for the Villager's. One of the most attractive thing about the Villages was all residents were equal. This takes that concept away. This sets up the villages can be bought and that is the start of a new profile of The Villages. We have a number of facilities for which you can purchase tickets, (e.g. Sharon,Savannah Center,) while the Town Squares were for everyone. That has now been broken because of "GREED". It opens the doors to more expansions of GREED. I hope the Developer sees the poor taste this brings to The Villages.:ohdear:

As far as I know, everyone had an equal chance at the limited number of tickets. Those that were fortunate enough to be first in line are not higher in a 'pecking order'. They were simply quicker. I just don't see this as a big deal. It happened, it's over, no one was hurt. Let's get back to taking pictures of bad parking.

[PennBF]

Because it is the closing of a traditional event for all and not just the ones "that can pay" even for the privilege to be under coverage for weather, easier entering to dancing, etc. It is like the scam where a dollar is charged to your credit card to see if you are watching your finances. If you don't question it then in the future you will be charged for a lot of things. This is like that in that if you don't question the practice you can count on more things having charges, (e.g. cover charges, charges for access, charges to attend or be a VIP for portions of the event, etc. etc.)
We will not be apart of that attempt of charging for extra bags, but feel for the people on the outside looking in.:ohdear:

[dewilson58]

Smells like Chicken Little.


:faint:

[tophcfa]

Sounds to me like the same principal as the priority golf membership. For a fee, people can buy their way into better access to an activity than the rest of the general population. I don't think this is a particularly good idea, and clearly is not equitable, as not all Villagers have the same level of disposable incomes. However, my humble opinion carries very little weight. If enough people are willing to dish out the fees for special treatment, there is little doubt that the powers that be will be more than happy to accept their money.

[ureout]

Smells like Chicken Little.


:faint:


then go take a shower

[dewilson58]

Sounds to me like the same principal as the priority golf membership. For a fee, people can buy their way into better access to an activity than the rest of the general population. I don't think this is a particularly good idea, and clearly is not equitable, as not all Villagers have the same level of disposable incomes. However, my humble opinion carries very little weight. If enough people are willing to dish out the fees for special treatment, there is little doubt that the powers that be will be more than happy to accept their money.




Thanks for your view.


It kinda feels like the American Way.


Pampering happens at all levels......the quality of hamburger, store-brand vs. name-brand, concert ticket prices, leg room on airplanes.


This pampering probably won't happen again for months.






Your Fellow Little Weight.


:coolsmiley:

[PennBF]

Right, who cares..I'll let the other guy take care of it and ride off his back. AAH, back to sleep.:ho:

[EdFNJ]

An annual event (or events)...........maybe a number of annual events two or three or four times per year..............is setting up a pecker order???

What a joke.

Seems to be a pecker order already.............housing prices from $100,000 to $2,000,000.

Not to mention clothes, golf carts, pickleball paddles, golf clubs, cars, Fresh Market vs Winn Dixie, top-shelf vs. well. I actually saw someone buying premium gas. OH MY!!!!

Peck, Peck, Peck. Pick Pick, Pick. :blahblahblah: :blahblahblah: :blahblahblah:


I do believe you mean PECKING order. A pecker order is totally different and NSFW. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[EdFNJ]

I heard that the Entertainment Dept. solicited Muscle Car owners to bring their nice cars to Brownwood for this Fourth of July event. They wanted 35 cars.

Then the owners found out, the CAR OWNER had to pay for that "privilege" plus submit 4 photographs before early July. What's with that?

So not only are the spectators charged, the people and clubs helping to make it a fun event are being charged.

Soon, if you are Twirlers, Cloggers or other Club that performs or participates in events on the squares, you'll have to pay for that "privilege".

Also, how would you like to be a restaurant owner on the square (paying high rent to be there) and see a "food truck" parked in front of your business?

THIS IS WRONG!

Skip

I agree on everything except for the restaurant part. Short term they MIGHT lose a couple of sales but long term it brings in hundreds (sometime thousands) of people who might never know they even exist. Besides, in general when there is some sort of major festival or celebration people aren't going to sit for 2 hrs at Bluefin or the other couple restaurants, they want to grab some fast food like a hot-dog and some fries and look around. During the larger festivals those restaurants are generally busier than they would have been had the square been dead as it usually is at 2-3PM on a similar day. Pedestrian TRAFFIC is the best type of free advertising. The more people who pass in front of your door the more it helps future business. If they were smart they would hand out menus and even offer samples of their appetizers.

[CWGUY]

I heard that the Entertainment Dept. solicited Muscle Car owners to bring their nice cars to Brownwood for this Fourth of July event. They wanted 35 cars.

Then the owners found out, the CAR OWNER had to pay for that "privilege" plus submit 4 photographs before early July. What's with that?

So not only are the spectators charged, the people and clubs helping to make it a fun event are being charged.

Soon, if you are Twirlers, Cloggers or other Club that performs or participates in events on the squares, you'll have to pay for that "privilege".

Also, how would you like to be a restaurant owner on the square (paying high rent to be there) and see a "food truck" parked in front of your business?

THIS IS WRONG!

Skip

:icon_wink: I've asked you a million times not to exaggerate! :1rotfl:

And the Restaurant owner probably thinks the same thing that shop owners think on vendor night..... Wow! Look at all the people in the Square tonight.

:ohdear: My glass is half full! :ho:

[dewilson58]

I do believe you mean PECKING order. A pecker order is totally different and NSFW. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:




Intentional.



:)

[EdFNJ]

Intentional.
:) That's even better! :1rotfl:

[thelegges]

Not really looking at the VIP tent is I am better than you...

The VIP tent would be great for a birthday or anniversary gathering. Take the pressure off the host, two drinks, an appetizer, and a tent with seating, plus entertainment.

And no one has to take off their shoes or clean up after the party. Win win as far as I can see.

[It's Hot There]

Smells like Chicken Little.


:faint:

:bigbow:

[Marathon Man]

Because it is the closing of a traditional event for all and not just the ones "that can pay" even for the privilege to be under coverage for weather, easier entering to dancing, etc. It is like the scam where a dollar is charged to your credit card to see if you are watching your finances. If you don't question it then in the future you will be charged for a lot of things. This is like that in that if you don't question the practice you can count on more things having charges, (e.g. cover charges, charges for access, charges to attend or be a VIP for portions of the event, etc. etc.)
We will not be apart of that attempt of charging for extra bags, but feel for the people on the outside looking in.:ohdear:

And just what exactly was closed?

Free nightly entertainment paid for by someone else, but by golly, let's find something to complain about. Enough already.

[Nucky]

This reminds me of my Dearly Departed Dad. You Want Something To Cry About. I'll Give You Something To Cry About.

I'd be first in line, not to be a showoff but its an offering that is made and as an adult I, or you can choose to take 'Em up on it or Not. I don't even drink so if you were lucky and sitting next to me you'd get a freebie.

I really feel for some people who have only this kind of stuff to Cry about. How about some terrible personal news. Would that bring your concerns about this into focus a little? VIP tent a problem. We are all VIPS to live in this beautiful place. Wake up before its too late.

[Lucas]

yes stop all this VIP, it was free! Will GOLF KEEP GOING UP$$$$$$$ ? Golf was FREE !

[Skip]

Even the VIP pricing was unfair. If you are a couple you paid $80. That's $40 per person.
If you were a widow or widower or just plain single, the charge went up to $50 for you.

NOT A NICE PRICING POLICY.

Skip

[Shortie]

We went to Brownwood for the 4th of July. The event was to start at 4:00. The color guard and the cheerleaders came out and the announcer stated that there would be a delay due to the rain. We got a drink and sat in the front row of the bleachers. Then walked over to 5 Guys for a burger. We then came back to the bleachers. Johnny Wild and the Delights started at 6:00 and we had a great time.
The entrance to the VIP section was between the 2 bleachers, they had an attendant with a plastic chain over the opening. We could not tell where the VIP section was. But either way, who cares? We got to sit in the bleachers and watched a great show. There were seats everywhere to sit.
Folks, just let it go, about the fee issue. If there was a VIP section, it did not bother us. Who cares? Please complain about another topic (that's what this sight is famous for).

[bagboy]

We went to Brownwood for the 4th of July. The event was to start at 4:00. The color guard and the cheerleaders came out and the announcer stated that there would be a delay due to the rain. We got a drink and sat in the front row of the bleachers. Then walked over to 5 Guys for a burger. We then came back to the bleachers. Johnny Wild and the Delights started at 6:00 and we had a great time.
The entrance to the VIP section was between the 2 bleachers, they had an attendant with a plastic chain over the opening. We could not tell where the VIP section was. But either way, who cares? We got to sit in the bleachers and watched a great show. There were seats everywhere to sit.
Folks, just let it go, about the fee issue. If there was a VIP section, it did not bother us. Who cares? Please complain about another topic (that's what this sight is famous for).

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[JoMar]

Even the VIP pricing was unfair. If you are a couple you paid $80. That's $40 per person.
If you were a widow or widower or just plain single, the charge went up to $50 for you.

NOT A NICE PRICING POLICY.

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Since the tables seated 6 a single person would remove a couple from that table and require another single person to sit there. If that didn't happen, it became a table for 5 so the extra 10 bucks is justified since the loss of a seat results a loss of 30 bucks at that table. The pricing policy was fair. You do know that if you travel as a single there is always a premium which is why you have to look for the "pricing based on double occupancy" tag when you book? Some of the pricing strategies aren't simple math as much as we would like it to be.

[Northwoods]

Agree!!! I have no issue with the VIP section. Anyone could go to the square, get a seat and listen for free. If you want a front row seat you could arrive early and save a seat. If you don't want to show up an hour or two early to save a good seat you can pay some money and sit in the VIP section. Personally, there isn't a local band/singer that's worth $50 to me so I wouldn't take advantage of it. When Paul McCartney comes I will definitely pay that $50. But then... I'm guessing the price would be a little higher....

[EdFNJ]

Even the VIP pricing was unfair. If you are a couple you paid $80. That's $40 per person.
If you were a widow or widower or just plain single, the charge went up to $50 for you.

NOT A NICE PRICING POLICY.

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Well, then they should provide a "singles line" where you can be paired up and go in together to save the $10 and maybe even something special will come of it. Life is just so unfair. :cryin2:

[Kenswing]

Even the VIP pricing was unfair. If you are a couple you paid $80. That's $40 per person.
If you were a widow or widower or just plain single, the charge went up to $50 for you.

NOT A NICE PRICING POLICY.

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If you think that's bad don't ever price out a cruise as a single..

[JoMar]

Well, then they should provide a "singles line" where you can be paired up and go in together to save the $10 and maybe even something special will come of it. Life is just so unfair. :cryin2:

I think you can go the City Fire and get paired up :)

[EdFNJ]

I think you can go the City Fire and get paired up :) Know a good source for HEP C meds? :1rotfl:

[EdFNJ]

If you think that's bad don't ever price out a cruise as a single.. Worse yet is when you go to Steak & Shake or Wendy's or Burger King with a BOGO coupon and your wife is a vegetarian! Oh the horror! :ho:

[thelegges]

Worse yet is when you go to Steak & Shake or Wendy's or Burger King with a BOGO coupon and your wife is a vegetarian! Oh the horror! :ho:

Vegetarian wife is a good excuse for I am eating both of these myself, with out guilt. So does anyone know what the appetizers were from bluefin?

[thelegges]

Sounds to me like the same principal as the priority golf membership. For a fee, people can buy their way into better access to an activity than the rest of the general population. I don't think this is a particularly good idea, and clearly is not equitable, as not all Villagers have the same level of disposable incomes. However, my humble opinion carries very little weight. If enough people are willing to dish out the fees for special treatment, there is little doubt that the powers that be will be more than happy to accept their money.

We play Championship 2 to 3 times a week priority membership saves me $$$. If the rest of the population does not play Championships enough then clearly not a savings, priority is open to everyone.
The VIP tickets were sold to whoever chose to spend their money. Tent did not infringe on anyone’s view or enjoying the entertainment.
As to level of disposable income I think that went out the window when choosing to live in TV for the lifestyle, instead of outside the bubble in a bigger house, no bond, maybe one golf course, and couple of classes.
I think most would not have moved here if they could not take advantage of all that TV has to offer, without crunching the numbers first.

[BobnBev]

This reminds me of my Dearly Departed Dad. You Want Something To Cry About. I'll Give You Something To Cry About.

I'd be first in line, not to be a showoff but its an offering that is made and as an adult I, or you can choose to take 'Em up on it or Not. I don't even drink so if you were lucky and sitting next to me you'd get a freebie.

I really feel for some people who have only this kind of stuff to Cry about. How about some terrible personal news. Would that bring your concerns about this into focus a little? VIP tent a problem. We are all VIPS to live in this beautiful place. Wake up before its too late.

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[Northwoods]

We play Championship 2 to 3 times a week priority membership saves me $$$. If the rest of the population does not play Championships enough then clearly not a savings, priority is open to everyone.
The VIP tickets were sold to whoever chose to spend their money. Tent did not infringe on anyone’s view or enjoying the entertainment.
As to level of disposable income I think that went out the window when choosing to live in TV for the lifestyle, instead of outside the bubble in a bigger house, no bond, maybe one golf course, and couple of classes.
I think most would not have moved here if they could not take advantage of all that TV has to offer, without crunching the numbers first.
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[EdFNJ]

As to level of disposable income I think that went out the window when choosing to live in TV for the lifestyle, instead of outside the bubble in a bigger house, no bond, maybe one golf course, and couple of classes.
I think most would not have moved here if they could not take advantage of all that TV has to offer, without crunching the numbers first.
If someone's got it, good for them however I don't think your opinion of "most" to be the case. Maybe "many". That's why there are smaller homes and larger homes and people with one car and 3 cars and some that eat out once a month and some 4 times a week. Many (not most) live a little closer to the edge than you might think but for those that got it "most" of them certainly have earned it and good for them.

[thelegges]

If someone's got it, good for them however I don't think your opinion of "most" to be the case. Maybe "many". That's why there are smaller homes and larger homes and people with one car and 3 cars and some that eat out once a month and some 4 times a week. Many (not most) live a little closer to the edge than you might think but for those that got it "most" of them certainly have earned it and good for them.

Reread post, the quote you highlighted is MOST CRUNCHED the numbers before buying here, not what house they bought, or how close to the edge they chose to live. Meaning these days Retired does not mean you don’t have a clue about your own financial well-being, and bought here with out doing do diligence.

[PennBF]

Really, do you think the entertainment at the Squares are free. How do you think the Entertainer's are paid. You know they are not doing it for free. People are easily fooled. How do you think the Executive Courses are paying for their maintenance. I am betting the Embasadors are not donating their time, or the ground keepers. When you see a product in the market and it says get 1 free if you buy one, do you really think that is free or built into the business case for the product cycle, The charges for some usages at the Squares is just another way of recovering costs or increasing profits. The squares have never been free it is just the what strategy used to recover the costs and/or increase profits. There is an old saying in Pricing Strategy and that is "if you have no competition then greed should drive your price." !!:ho: That defines a "free market"!!

[mulligan]

67 posts on 7 pages !! For god's sake people, let it go !!

[Skip]

67 posts on 7 pages !! For god's sake people, let it go !!

Yours was one of them.
One can always stop reading.

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[CFrance]

67 posts on 7 pages !! For god's sake people, let it go !!
I know it's not your point, but you can change your settings so up to 40 posts are on one page. Saves having to click so many times.

[PennBF]

When I read that someone wants a Thread shut down I ask myself "Why". What makes them uncomfortable as they always have the option of not reading the thread?? Why is someone so insecure they want communication which don't impact them turned off. As the Psychologist standard question is "how does that make you feel" maybe they should ask themselves that question. The Talk of the Village is a terrific forum for sharing and saying to shut something down is a violation of what it stands for. :ho:

[Arlington2]

Thanks CFrance for 40 post info. Didn't know that.:MOJE_whot:

[Marathon Man]

Really, do you think the entertainment at the Squares are free. How do you think the Entertainer's are paid. You know they are not doing it for free. People are easily fooled. How do you think the Executive Courses are paying for their maintenance. I am betting the Embasadors are not donating their time, or the ground keepers. When you see a product in the market and it says get 1 free if you buy one, do you really think that is free or built into the business case for the product cycle, The charges for some usages at the Squares is just another way of recovering costs or increasing profits. The squares have never been free it is just the what strategy used to recover the costs and/or increase profits. There is an old saying in Pricing Strategy and that is "if you have no competition then greed should drive your price." !!:ho: That defines a "free market"!!

The businesses around the square plus a subsidy from a government tourist tax pays the entertainers. Free to the residents.

People are easily fooled when they don't take the time to search out facts.

Can't imagine what golf course maintenance has to do with this topic.

[PennBF]

I think the business around Lake Sumter (not sure about the rest) contribute approximately 20-30% and the residents pay the rest even though the benefit are directed to the Business's. I'm sorry some can't understand why the advertised "free executive Courses" includes maintenance? I can say what I believe but can't help everyone to understand it?:ho:

[PennBF]

As an addendum to the last note. It was in "context" to the subject. :ho:

[JSR22]

I think the business around Lake Sumter (not sure about the rest) contribute approximately 20-30% and the residents pay the rest even though the benefit are directed to the Business's. I'm sorry some can't understand why the advertised "free executive Courses" includes maintenance? I can say what I believe but can't help everyone to understand it?:ho:

In Brownwood and Sumter Landing the entertainment is paid by the merchants and a grant from Sumter County tourism.

[ColdNoMore]

When I read that someone wants a Thread shut down I ask myself "Why". What makes them uncomfortable as they always have the option of not reading the thread?? Why is someone so insecure they want communication which don't impact them turned off. As the Psychologist standard question is "how does that make you feel" maybe they should ask themselves that question. The Talk of the Village is a terrific forum for sharing and saying to shut something down is a violation of what it stands for. :ho:
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[Bucco]

When I read that someone wants a Thread shut down I ask myself "Why". What makes them uncomfortable as they always have the option of not reading the thread?? Why is someone so insecure they want communication which don't impact them turned off. As the Psychologist standard question is "how does that make you feel" maybe they should ask themselves that question. The Talk of the Village is a terrific forum for sharing and saying to shut something down is a violation of what it stands for. :ho:

Usually the motive is quite transparent.