How many here carry ?

[jcvdd1]

While parking my car next to several parked gold carts in the shopping center near Brownwood, I observed an older Villager stumble out of his parked golf cart and I naturally offered my assistance. He appeared fine but I noticed that he dropped his Glock 17 onto the parking lot floor. He asked me to help him recover his firearm from the floor as he had difficulty with his gait.

I immediately realized that based on his behavior, he was unfamiliar with handguns and I told him that I would help him and make his gun safe. The firearm had an empty chamber but the clip was full. After securing his firearm, I strongly suggested that he take up some classes at the local Shooters World.

Just wondering, how many “unfamiliar” soles here carry?

[Kenswing]

While parking my car next to several parked gold carts in the shopping center near Brownwood, I observed an older Villager stumble out of his parked golf cart and I naturally offered my assistance. He appeared fine but I noticed that he dropped his Glock 17 onto the parking lot floor. He asked me to help him recover his firearm from the floor as he had difficulty with his gait.

I immediately realized that based on his behavior, he was unfamiliar with handguns and I told him that I would help him and make his gun safe. The firearm had an empty chamber but the clip was full. After securing his firearm, I strongly suggested that he take up some classes at the local Shooters World.

Just wondering, how many “unfamiliar” soles here carry?Sounds like maybe more than one person needs to take a firearms class.. :1rotfl:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't own a firearm. I do, however, own a baseball bat and I'm not afraid to use it. Darned thing doesn't fit in my purse though, and it clashes with most of my outfits, so I don't take it out of the house. I wouldn't recommend trying to rob my house though. I'm a lefty. Don't test me.

[Kenswing]

I don't own a firearm. I do, however, own a baseball bat and I'm not afraid to use it. Darned thing doesn't fit in my purse though, and it clashes with most of my outfits, so I don't take it out of the house. I wouldn't recommend trying to rob my house though. I'm a lefty. Don't test me.
My wife has a small 600 lumen led flashlight that she carries. Shine that in someone's eyes, even in daylight and you can do all kinds of things to them while they are blind. Or you can simply get out of the danger zone and they can't see where you went. It's much lighter and easier to conceal than a bat.. lol

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My wife has a small 600 lumen led flashlight that she carries. Shine that in someone's eyes, even in daylight and you can do all kinds of things to them while they are blind. Or you can simply get out of the danger zone and they can't see where you went. It's much lighter and easier to conceal than a bat.. lol

Oooh I have one of those too! It doubles as a phone charger. I keep forgetting that I have it. Thanks for the reminder!

BTW I did have to threaten someone with the bat once. I was working at a gas station when I first got married. A junkie came in and started stuffing his pockets with packs of cigarettes right off the counter while I was standing there in front of him. I told him to put them down, he insisted he wasn't doing anything, so I grabbed the bat that we kept behind the counter, and told him if he didn't put the cigarettes down and get out RIGHT NOW the police wouldn't have anything left of him to identify. I kind of scared him a bit. He ran for the door. I locked him (and everyone else) out, called the police and my boss, and my boss bought me a pizza for lunch an hour later. Good times.

[Velvet]

For me it’s not so much how many, but more WHO carry? People who were retired police etc make me feel safe, people who used to be on the wrong side of the law, on the other hand. I prefer to stay away from people and areas that make me feel unsafe in the first place.

[jcvdd1]

Sounds like maybe more than one person needs to take a firearms class.. :1rotfl:


Based upon your avatar, I assume that you served in the military, and for that I thank you for your service.

To suggest to carry a semi-auto for protection without one in the chamber is irresponsible. A law abiding citizen will not get to decide when they will need their firearm to defend themselves....

[Kenswing]

Based upon your avatar, I assume that you served in the military, and for that I thank you for your service.

To suggest to carry a semi-auto for protection without one in the chamber is irresponsible. A law abiding citizen will not get to decide when they will need their firearm to defend themselves....

I agree, if I carry I carry in Condition One.

What I was referring to was your reference to that little thingy that holds the bullets as a clip. lol Most of us refer to them as magazines.

A clip is something that can hold the rounds until they are inserted into a magazine.

[Two Bills]

I have always had this nightmare of a shot being fired during a robbery in Wallmarts, and suddenly 50 or so geriatric guns slingers start blasting at all and sundry! :shocked:

[jebartle]

I don't own a firearm. I do, however, own a baseball bat and I'm not afraid to use it. Darned thing doesn't fit in my purse though, and it clashes with most of my outfits, so I don't take it out of the house. I wouldn't recommend trying to rob my house though. I'm a lefty. Don't test me.

Giggle, snort!:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[Wing-nut2]

I don't think you'll get a good number of how many carry in TV. I have personally conducted over 100 Basic Pistol Classes. 12 students to a class. There is, however, a gun club in The Villages. The Straight Shooters hold BASIC Gun Classes every month. The next one is September 11th. This class will not only teach you Basic Gun Skills, you will get a certificate so you can get your CWFL. You can join the club at The Villages Straight Shooters Gun Safety, Education, Marksmanship - Home (http://www.VSSclub.org). Then you can register for the class. Be safe!

[anothersteve]

I don't think you'll get a good number of how many carry in TV. I have personally conducted over 100 Basic Pistol Classes. 12 students to a class. There is, however, a gun club in The Villages. The Straight Shooters hold BASIC Gun Classes every month. The next one is September 11th. This class will not only teach you Basic Gun Skills, you will get a certificate so you can get your CWFL. You can join the club at The Villages Straight Shooters Gun Safety, Education, Marksmanship - Home (http://www.VSSclub.org). Then you can register for the class. Be safe!

Would that be just the Villages residents?
I would imagine the number of CCW's rises exponentially with the onslaught of snowbirds, seeing how Florida has reciprocity with so many other states.
Many more people CCW in the Villages than anyone can imagine. I personally know of seven.
Steve

[zmarkp]

Whether I carry or not is nobody's business.

However, the more law-abiding citizens that legally carry the better I feel.

Matter of fact, I believe that all legally-qualified citizens be required to obtain a concealed-carry permit. Whether they carry or not is up to them. However, they will learn a little more about guns and gun laws, and that will be a good thing, too.

[Chatbrat]

A lot of people ,especially older persons with arthritic hands, IMHO should not carry an auto-loader, they may not be able to clear a malfunction--they should stick with a wheel gun in a comfortable caliber--I was taught how to combat shoot by a former Mossad member-they carry with an empty chamber and the safety off-- with todays DA only pistols without a safety its totally ok to carry with a round chambered--best advice is equip your carry weapon with a laser sight-takes out a lot of the adrenal rush and guarantees you are on target--remember you are responsible once the weapon is exposed fired or not

[Wing-nut2]

In Florida it's a "Concealed Weapon and Firearm License" (CWFL) It covers concealed Weapons as well as Firearms. The Straight Shooters has 3,000 members. Almost all have a CWFL.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I agree, if I carry I carry in Condition One.

What I was referring to was your reference to that little thingy that holds the bullets as a clip. lol Most of us refer to them as magazines.

A clip is something that can hold the rounds until they are inserted into a magazine.

Mine has a cylinder.

[Chatbrat]

A M1-Garand used an 8 rd enbloc-clip--A M1-Carbine used a magazine

[justjim]

While parking my car next to several parked gold carts in the shopping center near Brownwood, I observed an older Villager stumble out of his parked golf cart and I naturally offered my assistance. He appeared fine but I noticed that he dropped his Glock 17 onto the parking lot floor. He asked me to help him recover his firearm from the floor as he had difficulty with his gait.

I immediately realized that based on his behavior, he was unfamiliar with handguns and I told him that I would help him and make his gun safe. The firearm had an empty chamber but the clip was full. After securing his firearm, I strongly suggested that he take up some classes at the local Shooters World.

Just wondering, how many “unfamiliar” soles here carry?

OP, an accurate number that carry or have a permit to carry would be difficult. Several I know have the ability to carry but rarely do. Their choice. Somewhere around 1% of population would just be a guess. And like you mention, there are some that do but one could question if they should. As we age, there are several “things” we likely should evaluate i.e. carry, climbing and driving. Just saying...

[New Englander]

A M1-Garand used an 8 rd enbloc-clip--A M1-Carbine used a magazine

I've fired the M1. It fires 30:06 rounds and when the eight round is fired the clip pops out. A very sturdy weapon of war.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

OP, an accurate number that carry or have a permit to carry would be difficult. Several I know have the ability to carry but rarely do. Their choice. Somewhere around 1% of population would just be a guess. And like you mention, there are some that do but one could question if they should. As we age, there are several “things” we likely should evaluate i.e. carry, climbing and driving. Just saying...

Eyesight, manual dexterity, hearing (if you are aiming for someone at another row of seats in a crowded town square because you heard them yell "I have a gun!" but what he actually said was "I had fun!"). Discipline - knowing that if you draw your weapon, you had BETTER be prepared to shoot.

I don't know of that many seniors who possess all of the above traits. I don't know of that many *people* who possess all of the above traits.

[billethkid]

There is no need to know who does carry and most of us don't care if anybody else carries or not!

[Chatbrat]

A lot of people new to Fl, may not realize--you do not need a permit to keep a firearm in your vehicle as long as its not readily accessible, which means the weapon must be in a glove box or console , encased in a holster or the equivalent, also when stopped by LEO in Fl you are not obligated to inform the officer that there is a firearm in your vehicle

[VillageIdiots]

If the gentlemen was licensed to carry, he should not be unaware or unfamiliar at all as he should have had to complete a training program to get the license in the first place. It's just a good thing it didn't jump up, run away, and go shoot someone since, apparently, that's how it works these days.

[Chatbrat]

No training in Fl if you possess a DD-214, I personally think this is wrong -when I lived in NC--the qual test was much tougher

[jcvdd1]

A lot of people new to Fl, may not realize--you do not need a permit to keep a firearm in your vehicle as long as its not readily accessible, which means the weapon must be in a glove box or console , encased in a holster or the equivalent, also when stopped by LEO in Fl you are not obligated to inform the officer that there is a firearm in your vehicle

Good point.......
Now a question......
Is a golf cart driven off road ( as in The Villages ) considered a motor vehicle and how many locations inside a golf cart can one "legally" & " safely " conceal a firearm ?

[Number 10 GI]

While parking my car next to several parked gold carts in the shopping center near Brownwood, I observed an older Villager stumble out of his parked golf cart and I naturally offered my assistance. He appeared fine but I noticed that he dropped his Glock 17 onto the parking lot floor. He asked me to help him recover his firearm from the floor as he had difficulty with his gait.

I immediately realized that based on his behavior, he was unfamiliar with handguns and I told him that I would help him and make his gun safe. The firearm had an empty chamber but the clip was full. After securing his firearm, I strongly suggested that he take up some classes at the local Shooters World.

Just wondering, how many “unfamiliar” soles here carry?

If you are going to carry a handgun buy a quality holster that will retain the gun and prevent an occurrence such as this. Too many people will skimp on a holster because they just spent a bunch of money on a handgun. Wrong place to go cheap.

[karostay]

If you carry make sure you have the Pistachios to use it

[graciegirl]

I don't have one but tossing around discriptors like "geriatric" and "old arthritic hands" may make me want to get one.

Here is an interesting article about gun ownership.

My guess is about half the people who live in The Villages own guns. It is true of MY Village.

A Look at Gun Ownership by State (https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-percentage-of-state-populations-3325153)

I don't care who has them as long as they are law abiding and pay their bills. OH and don't plant vegetable gardens and pink flamingo statues in their front yards.

[retiredguy123]

I would advise anyone who buys a gun in Florida to get a concealed carry license, even if you intend to keep the gun in your house. It is easy to get and provides good training. You never know when you may want to take the gun outside of your house, and, if you do, you will be legal.

[Rango]

In Florida it's a "Concealed Weapon and Firearm License" (CWFL) It covers concealed Weapons as well as Firearms. The Straight Shooters has 3,000 members. Almost all have a CWFL.

:agree:

[Chatbrat]

All guns are different--a gun for house defense, like one you would keep near your bed night table, is different from one you would keep in your car, while a concealed carry gun is still different --men have pockets where they can carry & keep additional magazines or speed loaders for a revolver--women have much more difficulty for concealed carry

Most of us are told old to flee, fight--a firearm may be your last resort to survive

[pauld315]

For me it’s not so much how many, but more WHO carry? People who were retired police etc make me feel safe, people who used to be on the wrong side of the law, on the other hand. I prefer to stay away from people and areas that make me feel unsafe in the first place.

People on the wrong side of the law would never qualify to legally carry. There is an extensive background check done when you apply for a CCW in Florida.

[Shimpy]

The first thing I was taught 20 years ago when I took a ccw course is never to tell anyone that you are carrying. If you did then you would be giving up a huge tactical advantage.

[billethkid]

People on the wrong side of the law would never qualify to legally carry. There is an extensive background check done when you apply for a CCW in Florida.

You are correct most would not qualify. However,
I do not imagine there is anyone the other side of the law that ever gave it a nano seconds worth of concern.

[billethkid]

All guns are different--a gun for house defense, like one you would keep near your bed night table, is different from one you would keep in your car, while a concealed carry gun is still different --men have pockets where they can carry & keep additional magazines or speed loaders for a revolver--women have much more difficulty for concealed carry

Most of us are told old to flee, fight--a firearm may be your last resort to survive

9 mm double stack magazine...17 rounds...no need to carry anymore rounds than that....same gun house/car/carry...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

People on the wrong side of the law would never qualify to legally carry. There is an extensive background check done when you apply for a CCW in Florida.

From wikipedia, with references:

On January 5, 2018, more than a month before the shooting, the FBI received a tip on its Public Access Line from a person who was close to Cruz. On February 16, two days after the shooting, the agency released a statement that detailed this information. According to the statement, "The caller provided information about Cruz's gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting." After conducting an investigation, the FBI said the tip line did not follow protocol when the information was not forwarded to the Miami Field Office, where investigative steps would have been taken.[109][110] The FBI opened a probe into the tip line's operations.[111]

109. Benner, Katie; Mazzei, Patricia; Goldman, Adam (February 16, 2018). "F.B.I. Was Warned of Florida Suspect's Desire to Kill but Did Not Act". The New York Times. Retrieved February 18, 2018.
110. "FBI Statement on the Shooting in Parkland, Florida". Federal Bureau of Investigation. February 16, 2018. Archived from the original on February 17, 2018.
111. Wilber, Del Quentin; Viswanatha, Aruna (February 20, 2018). "FBI Probes Tip-Line Operations After Missed Florida-Shooting Warning". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved February 22, 2018

Background check my left buttcheek. If they had done an ACTUAL check, including following up on tips naming him as a person of concern, Cruz never would have been able to bring a weapon to Parkland School that day.

[biker1]

I recently saw an analysis of the number of rounds fired in gun fights (several hundred analyzed if I recall correctly). I believe the average number was less than 3. I think you have it covered.

9 mm double stack magazine...17 rounds...no need to carry anymore rounds than that....same gun house/car/carry...

[NoMoSno]

Eyesight, manual dexterity, hearing (if you are aiming for someone at another row of seats in a crowded town square because you heard them yell "I have a gun!" but what he actually said was "I had fun!"). Discipline - knowing that if you draw your weapon, you had BETTER be prepared to shoot.

I don't know of that many seniors who possess all of the above traits. I don't know of that many *people* who possess all of the above traits.
Know your target and what's behind it.
A crowded town square is not the place to draw your weapon.

[billethkid]

Methinks the subject just might be a tad over intellectualized.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Know your target and what's behind it.
A crowded town square is not the place to draw your weapon.

Well then there's no need to carry into a crowded town square at all, is there?

[Topspinmo]

While parking my car next to several parked gold carts in the shopping center near Brownwood, I observed an older Villager stumble out of his parked golf cart and I naturally offered my assistance. He appeared fine but I noticed that he dropped his Glock 17 onto the parking lot floor. He asked me to help him recover his firearm from the floor as he had difficulty with his gait.

I immediately realized that based on his behavior, he was unfamiliar with handguns and I told him that I would help him and make his gun safe. The firearm had an empty chamber but the clip was full. After securing his firearm, I strongly suggested that he take up some classes at the local Shooters World.

Just wondering, how many “unfamiliar” soles here carry?

I carry_-_—————-_———— tennis racket, pickleball ball paddle, and pool cue. Funny thing I came out of grocery story with my pool cue case sling over my shoulder. lady ask me? What you got in there a gun? I busted out laughing and no! a bazooka. She had funny look on her face??????

[Joeg180]

No training in Fl if you possess a DD-214, I personally think this is wrong -when I lived in NC--the qual test was much tougher



Not true, I possess a DD-214 and still needed to complete the CWFL course. Now what is true is that you receive an expedited processing of your CWFL application.


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[big guy]

For me it’s not so much how many, but more WHO carry? People who were retired police etc make me feel safe, people who used to be on the wrong side of the law, on the other hand. I prefer to stay away from people and areas that make me feel unsafe in the first place.
People, who I have asked why they carry a gun, respond by saying, they carry so that they can defend themselves if there is a shooting. I wonder in all the mass shootings, how many people had guns on them and if they thought to shoot it.

[Chatbrat]

In order to get a FL CCW, you must submit the following: completed application, set of fingerprints , passport photo, completed cow course or a copy of a DD-214 (stated on the application, question 6) and required payment ,

[billethkid]

Too many of the hypothetical scenarios do not accurately describe what a legally armed person would actually do in a given scenario..... one of the 98+% that carry legally.

For me the more important hypothetical scenarios would be more about what the one percent wacko would do to better understand what can be done to mitigate the potential harm that one percenter might do!

[anothersteve]

Too many of the hypothetical scenarios do not accurately describe what a legally armed person would actually do in a given scenario..... one of the 98+% that carry legally.

For me the more important hypothetical scenarios would be more about what the one percent wacko would do to better understand what can be done to mitigate the potential harm that one percenter might do!

Yep.
Just because we're "gun nuts" doesn't mean we are nuts with guns.
Steve

[villagerjack]

I have always had this nightmare of a shot being fired during a robbery in Wallmarts, and suddenly 50 or so geriatric guns slingers start blasting at all and sundry! :shocked:

Sounds like you don’t think either guns or older folks can be effective in the art of protection. If all 50 of your geriatrics were firing at the recent madmen that would be a dream not a nightmare.

[Chatbrat]

Another factor for those who carry,
1) get insurance
2) if something happens-tell the LEO the following:Identify yourself as the victim of the attack inform responding police that you have an attorney, and you will be happy to cooperate BUT only in the presence of your attorney--this from my insurers contact car---CCW SAFE

[Velvet]

People, who I have asked why they carry a gun, respond by saying, they carry so that they can defend themselves if there is a shooting. I wonder in all the mass shootings, how many people had guns on them and if they thought to shoot it.

Dayton shooter wore mask (for gas I suppose) and bullet proof vest (expecting to be shot).

One of the very nice things about the US is (coming from a country in Europe where I had to duck behind the bushes as a 6 year old while going to buy milk because of war) is that I don’t have to carry to go to Publix or the Square or sleep with a gun under my pillow. Just stay away from some questionable neighborhoods in cities etc. I can’t tell you what a relief it is.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Dayton shooter wore mask (for gas I suppose) and bullet proof vest (expecting to be shot).

One of the very nice things about the US is (coming from a country in Europe where I had to duck behind the bushes as a 6 year old while going to buy milk because of war) is that I don’t have to carry to go to Publix or the Square or sleep with a gun under my pillow. Just stay away from some questionable neighborhoods in cities etc. I can’t tell you what a relief it is.

Except this all seems to be changing, and that's why we have these discussions here and elsewhere on the internet, in political arenas, in coffeeshops, in knitting circles, and most of the rest of the civilized world.

The Stoneman Douglas school shooting occurred in Parkland, Florida, a wealthy city of under 30,000 people. Median income is $131,000, median house price is alomst $600,000.

The Sandy Hook massacre occurred in a sleepy little village-type neighborhood of one of the richest towns in Connecticut, which is one of the richest states in the country.

It CAN happen here. It CAN happen anywhere. Denial won't save your life. Do you need to be in panic mode 24/7? Nope. Do you "need" to carry a gun just in case? Probably not. Is it healthy to have cautious optimism? Absolutely, as long as you don't forget the "cautious" part of that.

An old tidbit of wisdom:

Trust in the Lord, but tie up your camel.

[Taltarzac725]

Except this all seems to be changing, and that's why we have these discussions here and elsewhere on the internet, in political arenas, in coffeeshops, in knitting circles, and most of the rest of the civilized world.

The Stoneman Douglas school shooting occurred in Parkland, Florida, a wealthy city of under 30,000 people. Median income is $131,000, median house price is alomst $600,000.

The Sandy Hook massacre occurred in a sleepy little village-type neighborhood of one of the richest towns in Connecticut, which is one of the richest states in the country.

It CAN happen here. It CAN happen anywhere. Denial won't save your life. Do you need to be in panic mode 24/7? Nope. Do you "need" to carry a gun just in case? Probably not. Is it healthy to have cautious optimism? Absolutely, as long as you don't forget the "cautious" part of that.

An old tidbit of wisdom:

Trust in the Lord, but tie up your camel.

It has happened in the Villages. A planned shooting was prevented at one of the charter schools.

Cops: Two students planned mass shooting at school in The Villages - News - Daily Commercial - Leesburg, FL (https://www.dailycommercial.com/news/20170126/cops-two-students-planned-mass-shooting-at-school-in-villages)

[Velvet]

It can happen here. But talk about probabilities, what is the chance of being shot in TV: .1% say if we go out a thousand times (once every day for 3 years) do we get shot once? Where I was in Europe at the time the probability was much higher.

Is the probability of being struck by lightning or being shot for the average person higher in TV?

[CFrance]

It can happen here. But talk about probabilities, what is the chance of being shot in TV: .1% say if we go out a thousand times (once every day for 3 years) do we get shot once? Where I was in Europe at the time the probability was much higher.

Is the probability of being struck by lightning or being shot for the average person higher in TV?
Having some experience with a 40-something woman who went through the war in Bosnia...


I suggest using some of the same precautions you did going through a war, only obviously less intense... situational awareness is key, plus knowing how you will exit a place you have entered if need be. Staying out of questionable places at questionable times. Exiting quickly if you see a situation possibly escalating.


The only thing that bothers me about so many people carrying in a retirement village is that we're all getting old, foggy, and losing our filters.


But I do feel safer in TV than I would in other places. Also, I'm not inclined to go to large gatherings, although that's no guarantee to staying safe.

[Velvet]

Thank you for your advice. Especially useful when traveling. I feel pretty safe in TV.

I am from Central Europe, never been to Bosnia but have read about how hard it was for them.

[villagerjack]

Interesting. I actually feel safer knowing that one of my fellow Villagers may be carrying and having the ability to confront any would be attacker.

[pauld315]

People, who I have asked why they carry a gun, respond by saying, they carry so that they can defend themselves if there is a shooting. I wonder in all the mass shootings, how many people had guns on them and if they thought to shoot it.

You will find that most of the mass shootings occurred in no carry zones or states / cities with extremely tight gun laws that make it very hard to carry a gun legally. Shooters know where to go.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You will find that most of the mass shootings occurred in no carry zones or states / cities with extremely tight gun laws that make it very hard to carry a gun legally. Shooters know where to go.

Interesting statistics. Here are some more for you: most states had NO reported mass shootings at all in the last 2.5 years (I only checked from January 2017 to current).

Another: Of the states that have the most mass shootings since January 2017 (that would be California, Florida, Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvani), only California's gun laws are considered strict. And they are one of the strictest states in the country. However - California is also bordered by three of the loosest states in the country - Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona. None of those states require a state license or permit to purchase a firearm at a private sale, and background checks are not required at private sales in these three states, so it would be very easy to buy a gun *legally* in these three states, even if you plan on doing illegal things with them (such as bringing them to California).

California had 9 mass shootings since 1/2017.
Florida had 6.
Texas had 5.
Ohio had 4.
Pennsylvania had 3.

In total, these five states alone make up 27 mass shootings in 3 years. Of those 27 mass shootings, only 9 of them occurred in a strictly-controlled gun law state. The other 18 occurred in especially relaxed gun law states.

There were 6 states that had "only" 2 mass shootings each, and again - only one state had strict gun laws in that state.

There were 12 states that had "only" 1 mass shooting each during this time period, and only 4 of them have strict gun laws in their states.

I got my primary list of mass shootings from Wikipedia. I then went to each state's official website to read their state's gun laws.

So I'm wondering where you got your statistics from.

[Kenswing]

Interesting statistics. Here are some more for you: most states had NO reported mass shootings at all in the last 2.5 years (I only checked from January 2017 to current).

Another: Of the states that have the most mass shootings since January 2017 (that would be California, Florida, Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvani), only California's gun laws are considered strict. And they are one of the strictest states in the country. However - California is also bordered by three of the loosest states in the country - Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona. None of those states require a state license or permit to purchase a firearm at a private sale, and background checks are not required at private sales in these three states, so it would be very easy to buy a gun *legally* in these three states, even if you plan on doing illegal things with them (such as bringing them to California).

California had 9 mass shootings since 1/2017.
Florida had 6.
Texas had 5.
Ohio had 4.
Pennsylvania had 3.

In total, these five states alone make up 27 mass shootings in 3 years. Of those 27 mass shootings, only 9 of them occurred in a strictly-controlled gun law state. The other 18 occurred in especially relaxed gun law states.

There were 6 states that had "only" 2 mass shootings each, and again - only one state had strict gun laws in that state.

There were 12 states that had "only" 1 mass shooting each during this time period, and only 4 of them have strict gun laws in their states.

I got my primary list of mass shootings from Wikipedia. I then went to each state's official website to read their state's gun laws.

So I'm wondering where you got your statistics from.
You need to break it down even further. He was also referring to no carry/gun free zones. Not just states with strict or lax gun requirements.

How many of these shootings took place where you're not allowed to carry a gun even if the state has more permissive gun laws?

Mass shooters know schools are easy targets because they are gun free zones.

[anothersteve]

You will find that most of the mass shootings occurred in no carry zones or states / cities with extremely tight gun laws that make it very hard to carry a gun legally. Shooters know where to go.

You need to break it down even further. He was also referring to no carry/gun free zones. Not just states with strict or lax gun requirements.

How many of these shootings took place where you're not allowed to carry a gun even if the state has more permissive gun laws?

Mass shooters know schools are easy targets because they are gun free zones.

Yep. Also people need to look up what constitutes a "mass shooting".
Mass shootings happen more than you know, or what the media wants you to know, in the big cities.

UPDATED: Mass Public Shootings keep occurring in Gun-Free Zones: 94% of attacks since 1950 - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center (https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/)

Steve

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You need to break it down even further. He was also referring to no carry/gun free zones. Not just states with strict or lax gun requirements.

How many of these shootings took place where you're not allowed to carry a gun even if the state has more permissive gun laws?

Mass shooters know schools are easy targets because they are gun free zones.

It is against FEDERAL law to allow firearms within 1000 feet of a school. So it doesn't matter which state you're in, or which school district you're in. It's illegal, regardless.

However, most mass shootings in the last 2.5 years didn't occur at schools.

Gun-free isn't a legal term and is defined differently by different data-collectors. A sports arena where civilians aren't allowed to bring their weapons, but there are armed guards and police present - is that "gun-free?" Or is it "gun-restricted?" Some say it's semantics. But it's the semantics that people are basing their statistics on.

Also fyi "mass shooting" is also defined differently by different data collectors.

It's easy to believe internet memes and soundbites and tweets by pro- or anti- anything. But when you delve into the actual official documents of the subjects that interest you, you come up with a lot of facts that are not being included in your meme-of-the-day.

[Number 10 GI]

Interesting statistics. Here are some more for you: most states had NO reported mass shootings at all in the last 2.5 years (I only checked from January 2017 to current).

Another: Of the states that have the most mass shootings since January 2017 (that would be California, Florida, Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvani), only California's gun laws are considered strict. And they are one of the strictest states in the country. However - California is also bordered by three of the loosest states in the country - Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona. None of those states require a state license or permit to purchase a firearm at a private sale, and background checks are not required at private sales in these three states, so it would be very easy to buy a gun *legally* in these three states, even if you plan on doing illegal things with them (such as bringing them to California).

California had 9 mass shootings since 1/2017.
Florida had 6.
Texas had 5.
Ohio had 4.
Pennsylvania had 3.

In total, these five states alone make up 27 mass shootings in 3 years. Of those 27 mass shootings, only 9 of them occurred in a strictly-controlled gun law state. The other 18 occurred in especially relaxed gun law states.

There were 6 states that had "only" 2 mass shootings each, and again - only one state had strict gun laws in that state.

There were 12 states that had "only" 1 mass shooting each during this time period, and only 4 of them have strict gun laws in their states.

I got my primary list of mass shootings from Wikipedia. I then went to each state's official website to read their state's gun laws.

So I'm wondering where you got your statistics from.

Under federal gun laws a private individual cannot legally sell a firearm, rifle or pistol, to an out of state individual and the buyer take it to his home state. It has to be sent to a licensed gun dealer in the buyer's home state and have a background check performed before the buyer can take possession of the gun. Now a resident of one of the states you listed could legally purchase a gun and then go to California and commit an act of violence but that is also illegal and I can't remember any instance where that has happened. If they are intent on doing a mass killing, why go to another state?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yep. Also people need to look up what constitutes a "mass shooting".
Mass shootings happen more than you know, or what the media wants you to know, in the big cities.

UPDATED: Mass Public Shootings keep occurring in Gun-Free Zones: 94% of attacks since 1950 - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center (https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/)

Steve

A perfect study in exactly what I was referring to in my last post.

This website, crimeresearch (dot) org, is a pro-gun-rights activist organization that culls data and turns it into whatever is necessary to promote the agenda of its founder, John Lott. Lott uses flawed models and systemic bias to sculpt conclusions that agree with his hypothesis.

He might even be correct on some of his conclusions but a broken clock is also correct twice a day.

[Number 10 GI]

A perfect study in exactly what I was referring to in my last post.

This website, crimeresearch (dot) org, is a pro-gun-rights activist organization that culls data and turns it into whatever is necessary to promote the agenda of its founder, John Lott. Lott uses flawed models and systemic bias to sculpt conclusions that agree with his hypothesis.

He might even be correct on some of his conclusions but a broken clock is also correct twice a day.

And you don't think the anti-gun groups do the same thing? The media pick and choose the "facts" they use in their editorials to support more gun control. Everybody and every organization has an agenda, you have to do your own research beyond what is reported to find what is really true.

[Number 10 GI]

A perfect study in exactly what I was referring to in my last post.

This website, crimeresearch (dot) org, is a pro-gun-rights activist organization that culls data and turns it into whatever is necessary to promote the agenda of its founder, John Lott. Lott uses flawed models and systemic bias to sculpt conclusions that agree with his hypothesis.

He might even be correct on some of his conclusions but a broken clock is also correct twice a day.

What website told you that?

[Number 10 GI]

Interesting statistics. Here are some more for you: most states had NO reported mass shootings at all in the last 2.5 years (I only checked from January 2017 to current).

Another: Of the states that have the most mass shootings since January 2017 (that would be California, Florida, Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvani), only California's gun laws are considered strict. And they are one of the strictest states in the country. However - California is also bordered by three of the loosest states in the country - Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona. None of those states require a state license or permit to purchase a firearm at a private sale, and background checks are not required at private sales in these three states, so it would be very easy to buy a gun *legally* in these three states, even if you plan on doing illegal things with them (such as bringing them to California).

California had 9 mass shootings since 1/2017.
Florida had 6.
Texas had 5.
Ohio had 4.
Pennsylvania had 3.

In total, these five states alone make up 27 mass shootings in 3 years. Of those 27 mass shootings, only 9 of them occurred in a strictly-controlled gun law state. The other 18 occurred in especially relaxed gun law states.

There were 6 states that had "only" 2 mass shootings each, and again - only one state had strict gun laws in that state.

There were 12 states that had "only" 1 mass shooting each during this time period, and only 4 of them have strict gun laws in their states.

I got my primary list of mass shootings from Wikipedia. I then went to each state's official website to read their state's gun laws.

So I'm wondering where you got your statistics from.

The information posted on Wikipedia is not vetted by anyone.

[anothersteve]

A perfect study in exactly what I was referring to in my last post.

Lott uses flawed models and systemic bias to sculpt conclusions that agree with his hypothesis.

He might even be correct on some of his conclusions but a broken clock is also correct twice a day.

:ohdear:
Steve

[Chatbrat]

All I did today was go to shooters world for my six month gun exercise routine-My fn 57 -50 rds perfect, Springfield arms 45 acp 14 rds perfect, my Boberg xR9s 15 rds perfect & my old reliable S&W 638 10 rds 38 SPL perfect --my old 76 year old bod was able till shoot them , super fine--

don"t mess with old war horses

[Kenswing]

All I did today was go to shooters world for my six month gun exercise routine-My fn 57 -50 rds perfect, Springfield arms 45 acp 14 rds perfect, my Boberg xR9s 15 rds perfect & my old reliable S&W 638 10 rds 38 SPL perfect --my old 76 year old bod was able till shoot them , super fine--

don"t mess with old war horsesToo many guns to shoot at once. Now you get to spend the rest of the night cleaning them.. lol

[Moderator]

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[Gpsma]

All I did today was go to shooters world for my six month gun exercise routine-My fn 57 -50 rds perfect, Springfield arms 45 acp 14 rds perfect, my Boberg xR9s 15 rds perfect & my old reliable S&W 638 10 rds 38 SPL perfect --my old 76 year old bod was able till shoot them , super fine--

don"t mess with old war horses

So do you carry?

Going to SW and shooting at a static target and saying its perfect..good for you. Have u joined the Villages Shooting Club and go to their training classses that show u how to shoot at moving targets?

I carry but so do a lot of people in Florida...most poorly trained. After all, Floridas requirements are minimal to get a ccw.

[Gpsma]

The OP’s topic was inquiring how many villagers carry weapons. The thread has drifted significantly from that topic. Please return to the original topic or the thread will be closed.

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You are correct...all gun threads will wander about. However, asking if people carry, to some, is like asking how many times do you have sex.

Its the kind of topic many who do carry dont want to discuss.

[GrumpyOldMan]

The information posted on Wikipedia is not vetted by anyone.

The information on Wikipedia is vetted by everyone.

If you find an error, you can correct it. Your change is then vetted by everyone else.

This is a LONG standing argument about whether crowd sourced information is better or worse than controlled source information.

It usually turns out that a person believes the information sources that confirm their own beliefs and distrusts information sources that disagree their own beliefs.

[Denis54]

people who carry should be proficient in all areas of the weapon they carry. Straight Shooters has classes for all levels af gun knowledge. a untrain, lack of knowledge person is dangerous to themselves and anyone around them. please take the weapon away from these people.

[GrumpyOldMan]

people who carry should be proficient in all areas of the weapon they carry. Straight Shooters has classes for all levels af gun knowledge. a untrain, lack of knowledge person is dangerous to themselves and anyone around them. please take the weapon away from these people.

I completely agree with this, whatever the final solution (if there is one) it should include include regular "testing" to ensure people are safe to themselves and others.

[Wing-nut2]

So what’s changed? The Armalite Rifle has been with us since 1957. I don’t remember any mass shootings in the 60s, 70s, 80s, or even the 90s. The guns haven’t changed. People have. Most of these shooters are young (compared to me). What sends these people into a shooting mode? Video games, no patients at home, bullying in school? I just know it’s the people that have changed.

[jedalton]

I carry a 9mm

[tsmall22204]

While parking my car next to several parked gold carts in the shopping center near Brownwood, I observed an older Villager stumble out of his parked golf cart and I naturally offered my assistance. He appeared fine but I noticed that he dropped his Glock 17 onto the parking lot floor. He asked me to help him recover his firearm from the floor as he had difficulty with his gait.

I immediately realized that based on his behavior, he was unfamiliar with handguns and I told him that I would help him and make his gun safe. The firearm had an empty chamber but the clip was full. After securing his firearm, I strongly suggested that he take up some classes at the local Shooters World.

Just wondering, how many “unfamiliar” soles here carry?
I do not feel the need to carry a gun here in the villages. I am concerned that as residents age to the point they can no longer be TRUSTED with a weapon, still carry. This is not a status symbol or the wild west.

[maggie1]

It goes without saying that obtaining a ccw permit is only the initial step in the process. Here are a couple of suggestions that need to be considered as well:

1. Practice, practice, practice! - It will do you no good to obtain the permit, and not be able to hit what you are shooting at, or accidentally hit something that you weren't shooting at.

2. Plan of action - Develop "what if" scenarios. What if a person opened fire in a restaurant, the town square, Walmart, or how about if you're being carjacked? What steps would you take to neutralize the situation>

3. Keep a round chambered - It does no good to pull the weapon if there is noting in the chamber - you might not have the opportunity to get a round off before you are shot.

4. Consider purchasing a double-action weapon. A semi-automatic is ready to fire with just a slight pull of the trigger This could lead to an accidental discharge in an adrenaline fueled attempt to pull your weapon. If you are considering a revolver as your weapon of choice, get one where the hammer is recessed. There is less of a chance the weapon will get caught on your clothing.

5. Don't become a statistic - There have been incidents where the weapon owner has accidentally shot themselves or a family member.

6. Obtain liability coverage from your insurance carrier. Even if you've shot a bad guy, you're still going to be sued by his/her family members. In this day and age, there's no telling how a jury will react, especially if you've accidentally shot an innocent person.

Being a ccw holder comes with awesome responsibility. You are licensed by the state to take lethal action against another if your life, or the lives of others are in peril. Be certain that you know what you are doing.

[Chatbrat]

If you carry make sure your firearm is loaded with good defense ammo, you don't want ball ammo or any ammo that will over penetrate

[lawn22]

You will never know who carries or how many of us do , that is why it is conceived permits

[Kerlampert]

Many people are permitted to carry a handgun, but very few are qualified.

[billethkid]

Many people are permitted to carry a handgun, but very few are qualified.


I would agree there are some not qualified.
It is a point for debate whether "...very few are qualified...".

Just like those with a driver's licence.

[Chatbrat]

The villages is not assault proof, the person killed in the parking lot near McCalls is more than enough proof--older people, driving newer cars are prime targets, especially considering the current drug epidemic--be prepared to defend your life or the lives of you loved ones--when you are dead the're no do overs

[remarks006]

No, lived in Chicago ,the city not the quiet suburbs, and never carried ,hope I never do.

[richs631]

I have a concealed carry license but if I'm going somewhere by golf cart there's no need to carry especially in the villages. I do carry if I go outside the villages. Good for thought: I was told that the 3 zip codes in the villages have the most concealed carry licenses in the country

[Down Sized]

How many takes their gun to Wal-Mart now?

[Chatbrat]

Wal-Mart is a 100% carry zone, especially the Leesburg store, and Summerfield store, same goes for Rural King

[Velvet]

Leesburg Walmart is a no-go zone for us. Once was enough. Where there are parking places needed to be specially designated for police....

[Number 10 GI]

Many people are permitted to carry a handgun, but very few are qualified.

The same is true of motor vehicle drivers.

[anothersteve]

I have a concealed carry license but if I'm going somewhere by golf cart there's no need to carry especially in the villages. I do carry if I go outside the villages. Good for thought: I was told that the 3 zip codes in the villages have the most concealed carry licenses in the country

I carry everywhere allowed, yes even playing golf, concealed in my bag.

Steve