Jeffrey Epstein kills himself in NYC jail cell.

[Taltarzac725]

Jeffrey Epstein, accused sex trafficker, dies by suicide: Officials - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/jeffrey-epstein-accused-sex-trafficker-dies-suicide-officials/story?id=64881684&cid=social_fb_abcn&fbclid=IwAR3iu1jmXW5g8bO8Pipsf1MMwqCj4wchagRzriysk 4FASBiSJfIfHQSsMPY&fbclid=IwAR0v80WkCgR1AcQxx8giLF-VcaaTHYJZ33_Uv7-uSKo2LY43JdldLaHjsiY&fbclid=IwAR2V-21weUUbofDYG0irdu83nQayoLY3Vq74U0MkguqifZYZrSygfxt 9CNE)

I wonder how this happened?

[alwann]

So much for suicide watch. Show me the body. Maybe it's a ruse and he escaped, with a little help from his friends. Or maybe he was "offed" by people involved in his crimes. The tabloid will have a field day with this one.

[tophcfa]

Jeffrey Epstein, accused sex trafficker, dies by suicide: Officials - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/jeffrey-epstein-accused-sex-trafficker-dies-suicide-officials/story?id=64881684&cid=social_fb_abcn&fbclid=IwAR3iu1jmXW5g8bO8Pipsf1MMwqCj4wchagRzriysk 4FASBiSJfIfHQSsMPY&fbclid=IwAR0v80WkCgR1AcQxx8giLF-VcaaTHYJZ33_Uv7-uSKo2LY43JdldLaHjsiY&fbclid=IwAR2V-21weUUbofDYG0irdu83nQayoLY3Vq74U0MkguqifZYZrSygfxt 9CNE)

I wonder how this happened?

That will save the tax payers lots of $$$$!

[anothersteve]

So much for suicide watch. Show me the body. Maybe it's a ruse and he escaped, with a little help from his friends. Or maybe he was "offed" by people involved in his crimes. The tabloid will have a field day with this one.

Maybe not escape , more like witness protection?

"A gurney carrying a man "who looked like" Epstein was wheeled into New York Downtown Hospital around 7:30 a.m."

Steve

[Bogie Shooter]

So much for suicide watch. Show me the body. Maybe it's a ruse and he escaped, with a little help from his friends. Or maybe he was "offed" by people involved in his crimes. The tabloid will have a field day with this one.

As will TOTV.:popcorn:

[karostay]

Look at the money we saved OH Well

[ColdNoMore]

There's a lot of rich and powerful men...breathing a huge sigh of relief this morning.

And for those who are trying to imply a specific political bent to his personal associations...you really should do some research. :oops:

Epstein was a child predator and that type of abomination...doesn't care what letter is in front of your name.

[ColdNoMore]

IF DOJ is allowed to do their job, I wouldn't be surprised to find some prison officials were paid big money...to look the other way.

[Kenswing]

An all too common result when you have dirt on the powerful elite..

[Chi-Town]

His world has come to an end anyhow.

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[Velvet]

For some reason, I find it difficult to cry.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Thoughts and prayers, I guess?
:shrug:

[manaboutown]

I just wonder how many powerful people are breathing a sigh of relief?

[Barefoot]

Thoughts and prayers, I guess?
He probably has family somewhere that are devastated.
Yes, thought and prayers for his family,
And as Velvet said, for his victims. :pray:

[Velvet]

Thoughts and prayers, I guess?
:shrug:

For his victims.

[seoulbrooks]

Yep, to late for him to sing now. Lots of powerful folks happy.

[Barefoot]

IF DOJ is allowed to do their job, I wouldn't be surprised to find some prison officials were paid big money...to look the other way.
He was supposedly on suicide watch, so I think you're right.

[Barefoot]

...

[mtdjed]

Jeffrey Epstein, accused sex trafficker, dies by suicide: Officials - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/jeffrey-epstein-accused-sex-trafficker-dies-suicide-officials/story?id=64881684&cid=social_fb_abcn&fbclid=IwAR3iu1jmXW5g8bO8Pipsf1MMwqCj4wchagRzriysk 4FASBiSJfIfHQSsMPY&fbclid=IwAR0v80WkCgR1AcQxx8giLF-VcaaTHYJZ33_Uv7-uSKo2LY43JdldLaHjsiY&fbclid=IwAR2V-21weUUbofDYG0irdu83nQayoLY3Vq74U0MkguqifZYZrSygfxt 9CNE)

I wonder how this happened?

He chose his own judge, jury, sentence, executioner and timing. Expanded the Right to Die concept.

[ColdNoMore]

He was supposedly on suicide watch, so I think you're right.

There is a real stench here, that I'm guessing will be allowed to just slowly fade away without true justice being served on the scumbags...associated with this piece of trash. :mad:

His 'beyond a sweetheart deal' on his previous Florida conviction...says everything. :ohdear:

[Kenswing]

It appears he was taken off suicide watch. How convenient.. The Latest: Source: Epstein had been taken off suicide watch (https://apnews.com/0d8615774e484255a23567b19d447fdd)

I think Witness Protection might not be a bad guess either..

[Kenswing]

There is a real stench here, that I'm guessing will be allowed to just slowly fade away without true justice being served on the scumbags...associated with this piece of trash. :mad:

His 'beyond a sweetheart deal' on his previous Florida conviction...says everything. :ohdear:
Of course it will. Too many power players involved.

[eweissenbach]

His world has come to an end anyhow.

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True, however the world of his victims goes on......and on.

[Chi-Town]

True, however the world of his victims goes on......and on.Sad but also true. Hopefully, this will be some closure for them

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[CFrance]

He was supposedly on suicide watch, so I think you're right.
From the New York Times...

"But one federal prison official with knowledge of the incident said Mr. Epstein had been taken off suicide watch a few days ago, and was being held alone in a cell in a special housing unit."


Here is the entire article explaining suicide watch: Not Found - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-watch.htm)

[manaboutown]

The witness disposal program effectuated its goal in the nick of time!

[Northwoods]

His suicide saved taxpayers a lot of money. I'm sure this isn't the "closure" his victims wanted, but they will sue his estate and walk away with a nice chunk of money.

[manaboutown]

This is a speculative and potentially misleading headline as the jury is still out on how he died. It is likely he was killed to keep him from testifying about just who joined him in his criminal misadventures.

[mtdjed]

This is a speculative and potentially misleading headline as the jury is still out on how he died. It is likely he was killed to keep him from testifying about just who joined him in his criminal miasadventures.


WOW! Talk about speculation. "It is likely" comment is purely an opinion. I am certainly concerned that if a prisoner is found dead, just as I was concerned that Whitey Bulger was killed. Not that I liked either one, but I don't think anyone here is able to give any reason that could be called "Likely".

Is it possible that he committed suicide, Yes. Is it possible that he was killed by another way , Yes.

Likely, probably is what we have heard from sources. Other than that is more speculative.

[Bay Kid]

Saving taxpayers tons of money.

[skip0358]

This story stinks so much I could smell it when I went out to get the paper this morning!

[Bill32]

The rich , connected and powerful skate again.....yes my opinion...not only the victims needed justice the perpetrators need to pay for their crimes.......

[graciegirl]

His world has come to an end anyhow.

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You are right. I loathe this kind of perversion and I don't know if the conspiracy theories are true, but now we won't know a lot of things we might have known, although most of us think we know what we might have known.

Here is another whole issue that when genetics can screen for this we will face.

No one has ever heard an expectant mom at her baby shower say that she was hoping for a baby who was a pedophile or had gender problems. Some day science will be able to pin point this. Life is more complex and worrisome and unsettling the more we unlock of knowledge. Sometimes there are no good answers for many complex problems.

[collie1228]

No matter what you think of this pervert or the case in general, you can't deny that people rightly think the whole situation is fishy. Getting the FBI involved should shine some light on it. At the very least there was tremendous negligence involved by prison guards and officials.

[bagboy]

There has to be alot of people who worked for Epstein that aided and abetted in his evil doings for many, many years. And most likely their motivation was money. Hopefully, they will be identified and brought to justice along with the celebrity pedophiles who were involved in these crimes.

[BobnBev]

No matter what you think of this pervert or the case in general, you can't deny that people rightly think the whole situation is fishy. Getting the FBI involved should shine some light on it. At the very least there was tremendous negligence involved by prison guards and officials.

For all the goods the FBI is going to uncover, they might as well use Community Watch.:ohdear:

[Velvet]

No matter what you think of this pervert or the case in general, you can't deny that people rightly think the whole situation is fishy. Getting the FBI involved should shine some light on it. At the very least there was tremendous negligence involved by prison guards and officials.

I was wondering when they’re on suicide watch, what exactly were they watching for. If he was going to, or how can they help.

[anothersteve]

I was wondering when they’re on suicide watch, what exactly were they watching for. If he was going to, or how can they help.

Jeffrey Epstein's suicide makes no sense | TheHill (https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/456965-jeffrey-epsteins-suicide-makes-no-sense)

There’s ‘no way’ Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, a former NYC jail inmate says | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself-a-former-nyc-jail-inmate-says)

Steve

[manaboutown]

What is interesting is that the prominent people poopooing a conspiracy are the most likely conspirators.

[Bay Kid]

For all the goods the FBI is going to uncover, they might as well use Community Watch.:ohdear:

HA, HA, HA:popcorn:

[collie1228]

What is interesting is that the prominent people poopooing a conspiracy are the most likely conspirators.

You know, I had exactly the same thought. And the media loves to quote them all.

[ColdNoMore]

Some people love conspiracies. :oops:

In fact, there are groups all around the globe that still think...the earth is flat.




:D

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Some people love conspiracies. :oops:

In fact, there are groups all around the globe that still think...the earth is flat.

:D

I have no theory, conspiracy or otherwise. I do have questions:

1) why was he taken off suicide watch?
2) why was he under-guarded, especially since he had just been taken off suicide watch? You'd think they'd have at least -some- precautions, instead of what they claim to be overworked, understaffed, extra-shift guards. Maybe they should have had normal shift guys watching this particular set of cells.
3) were there tapes of him doing this? There were cameras there, afterall. If there were tapes, what do they show? If the cameras weren't functioning properly, why, especially considering that this guy had just been taken off suicide watch? Again - you'd think -some- precautions would be in order here, even if not extra ones.

Facts - not theory:

1. there are definitely people who stood to gain by Epstein being unable to testify.
2. only the current administration's Dept. of Justice has oversight over Epstein's custody and prosecution, and the jail falls under the jurisdiction of the DoJ.
3. the AG had a personal relationship with Epstein, however close or distant, and when that happens, typically the AG would need to recuse himself from the investigation.
4. the AG has not mentioned whether he would recuse himself or not, so no conclusions can be made about his bias, yet.

Whether the DoJ played an active role in his death or not, we may never know. But there are a lot of questions that need answers, and if those questions are set aside and not allowed to be persued, that will allow the public to jump to a lot more conclusions than if a full and open transparent investigation ever will.

I'd rather see actual truth and facts, than conspiracies.

[manaboutown]

I just read there are nine cameras in the facility in the main areas but none in his cell. None appear to show anything related to his "suicide" death. Very, very interesting...No guard, no video. The guards were to check him every 30 minutes but strangely that did not happen that particular night.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I just read there are nine cameras in the facility in the main areas but none in his cell. None appear to show anything related to his "suicide" death. Very, very interesting...No guard, no video. The guards were to check him every 30 minutes but strangely that did not happen that particular night.

This is another one of those "why" things. Okay so if there aren't usually cameras on individual cells, then none on his cell would not be out of the ordinary.

The guard thing - that cannot be excused by "understaffed and overworked." A man in jail specifically because he might know something that could implicate incredibly powerful people - including elected officials of our government - NOT being under constant watch due to "overworked and understaffed" guards - no. Not buying it.

SOMETHING is going on. And it is absolutely strange. What, exactly, is going on? That remains to be seen.

But it is definitely important to remember at all times, that whatever happened, it happened under the watch of the current Department of Justice. Whether or not they had an active involvement in it - the buck stops with them.

[manaboutown]

Apparently his cellmate was transferred out just before his death....

Too many factors enabling his death to occur simultaneously came together to be a coincidence IMHO.

Now who had the most to lose if he testified and the most to gain if he died and could not testify?

[KeithDB]

If only we could figure out who is in charge of the Federal prisons . . .

[BobnBev]

I have no theory, conspiracy or otherwise. I do have questions:

1) why was he taken off suicide watch?
2) why was he under-guarded, especially since he had just been taken off suicide watch? You'd think they'd have at least -some- precautions, instead of what they claim to be overworked, understaffed, extra-shift guards. Maybe they should have had normal shift guys watching this particular set of cells.
3) were there tapes of him doing this? There were cameras there, afterall. If there were tapes, what do they show? If the cameras weren't functioning properly, why, especially considering that this guy had just been taken off suicide watch? Again - you'd think -some- precautions would be in order here, even if not extra ones.

Facts - not theory:

1. there are definitely people who stood to gain by Epstein being unable to testify.
2. only the current administration's Dept. of Justice has oversight over Epstein's custody and prosecution, and the jail falls under the jurisdiction of the DoJ.
3. the AG had a personal relationship with Epstein, however close or distant, and when that happens, typically the AG would need to recuse himself from the investigation.
4. the AG has not mentioned whether he would recuse himself or not, so no conclusions can be made about his bias, yet.

Whether the DoJ played an active role in his death or not, we may never know. But there are a lot of questions that need answers, and if those questions are set aside and not allowed to be persued, that will allow the public to jump to a lot more conclusions than if a full and open transparent investigation ever will.

I'd rather see actual truth and facts, than conspiracies.



Sadly, you never will.

[Madelaine Amee]

Ghislaine Maxwell

I believe I heard on the news that Ghislaine Maxwell has been named Epstien's co-conspirator ........ What a surprise she has disappeared and no one knows where she is! She is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, British Publishing mogul who supposedly committed suicide off his yacht in the Atlantic after being found guilty of robbing his own companies and his employees retirement funds.

Birds of a feather etc. etc. :ohdear:

[Taltarzac725]

Still do not get how he hung himself? I had a nervous breakdown in late March-April of 2000 in Palm Harbor, FL at home and was watched constantly unless sedated in the hospital and then in mental health facility they took any kind of thing that could be used to hurt ourselves or others way. Nothing could be used to hang yourself that I recall was available to us.

I have been pretty solid since that happened though. And had no problems before that.

I did lose it for a few hours but did nothing but talk and scream but did hit a nurse when a group was putting me under. I really wanted to be heard.

[manaboutown]

Ghislaine Maxwell

I believe I heard on the news that Ghislaine Maxwell has been named Epstien's co-conspirator ........ What a surprise she has disappeared and no one knows where she is! She is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, British Publishing mogul who supposedly committed suicide off his yacht in the Atlantic after being found guilty of robbing his own companies and his employees retirement funds.

Birds of a feather etc. etc. :ohdear:

As I understand it she was a long time major procurer of underage girls for his misadventures.

[Nucky]

It's $$$ All About The Benjamin's $$$. Those poor children. I hope someway they get the help they need to live the best life they can after such a horrendous start.

Each time they find this person guilty of abusing another child they should kill him again, *******. There is so much evil & sickness going on in our world. I worry for all of our Grandchildren.

[Bucco]

It's $$$ All About The Benjamin's $$$. Those poor children. I hope someway they get the help they need to live the best life they can after such a horrendous start.

Each time they find this person guilty of abusing another child they should kill him again, *******. There is so much evil & sickness going on in our world. I worry for all of our Grandchildren.

Yep, and it was not just the young folks who were forever hurt. He scammed folks who invested with him also.

Those who helped him get away with all he did, hopefully, will be "outed' and pay the price

"At the beginning, middle and end of his career, Jeffrey Epstein faced a reckoning with his misdeeds. At every stage, he managed to avoid the efforts of prosecutors and victims to confront him with his financial chicanery and sexual abuses. On Saturday, he apparently chose to end his life rather than face what he had done."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/final-evasion-for-30-years-prosecutors-and-victims-tried-to-hold-jeffrey-epstein-to-account-at-every-turn-he-slipped-away/2019/08/10/30bc947a-bb8a-11e9-a091-6a96e67d9cce_story.html

[Barefoot]

I have no theory, conspiracy or otherwise. I do have questions:

1) why was he taken off suicide watch?
2) why was he under-guarded, especially since he had just been taken off suicide watch? You'd think they'd have at least -some- precautions, instead of what they claim to be overworked, understaffed, extra-shift guards. Maybe they should have had normal shift guys watching this particular set of cells.
3) were there tapes of him doing this? There were cameras there, afterall. If there were tapes, what do they show? If the cameras weren't functioning properly, why, especially considering that this guy had just been taken off suicide watch? Again - you'd think -some- precautions would be in order here, even if not extra ones.

Facts - not theory:

1. there are definitely people who stood to gain by Epstein being unable to testify.
2. only the current administration's Dept. of Justice has oversight over Epstein's custody and prosecution, and the jail falls under the jurisdiction of the DoJ.
3. the AG had a personal relationship with Epstein, however close or distant, and when that happens, typically the AG would need to recuse himself from the investigation.
4. the AG has not mentioned whether he would recuse himself or not, so no conclusions can be made about his bias, yet.

Whether the DoJ played an active role in his death or not, we may never know. But there are a lot of questions that need answers, and if those questions are set aside and not allowed to be persued, that will allow the public to jump to a lot more conclusions than if a full and open transparent investigation ever will.

I'd rather see actual truth and facts, than conspiracies.
I agree with BobnBev. It's sad, but I don't think we will ever know the full truth.

[manaboutown]

Looks like his two primary corporate lawyers are lawyering up with criminal defense lawyers - and the beat goes on...

[Mike123]

So much for suicide watch. Show me the body. Maybe it's a ruse and he escaped, with a little help from his friends. Or maybe he was "offed" by people involved in his crimes. The tabloid will have a field day with this one.
If you believe he committed suicide I will sell you a bridge!

[Chi-Town]

Autopsy shows that he either hung himself or was strangled to death.

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[New Englander]

I don't know what really happened, but this guy was a very high profile inmate and already tried to kill himself. He's taken off suicide watch and his jailers fall asleep.
Smells very fishy to me.

[bagboy]

No matter what you think of this pervert or the case in general, you can't deny that people rightly think the whole situation is fishy. Getting the FBI involved should shine some light on it. At the very least there was tremendous negligence involved by prison guards and officials.

The same FBI that took 5 weeks to "raid" pedophile island?

[Barefoot]

For all the goods the FBI is going to uncover, they might as well use Community Watch.That is hilarious, but you're probably right. :1rotfl:
There is lots of money involved.

[manaboutown]

Well, well, well, now it is reported the two video cameras outside Epstein's cell are faulty. The FBI lab is going to examine them. The plot thickens?

[ColdNoMore]

Well, well, well, now it is reported the two video cameras outside Epstein's cell are faulty. The FBI lab is going to examine them. The plot thickens?

I'm usually the first to laugh out loud, when total nutcase conspiracy theories...are pushed by the outer-fringe newspaper's/website's. :oops:

Except when it results in the easily led/low IQ, taking it seriously and harming (or trying to harm) other human beings...based primarily on these idiotic/pathetic conspiracies (pizza anyone?). :(


In the Epstein case however, there are just way too many 'coincidence's'...that seem to point to it not being suicide.

Now the big question to answer of course..is who (or multiple who's)... might have been behind it?

I'm thinking the key is to find the 'little black book'...or its cyber equivalent.

[Topspinmo]

His influential friends in high places throw him under the bus, next will be drug over doses of those making actuations.