Another Obama lie

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From the Wall Street Journal:

"The Obama Administration is under political pressure to reverse its ill-considered deep water drilling moratorium, and the latest blowback comes from seven angry experts from the National Academy of Engineering who say their views were distorted to justify the ban.

"In the wake of the oil spill, President Obama asked Interior Secretary Ken Salazar to produce a report on new drilling safety recommendations. Then on May 27 Mr. Obama announced a six-month deep water drilling ban, justifying it on the basis of Mr. Salazar's report, a top recommendation of which was the moratorium. To lend an air of technical authority, the report noted: 'The recommendations contained in this report have been peer-reviewed by seven experts identified by the National Academy of Engineering.'

"That would be false, sir. In a scathing statement this week, the seven experts explained that the report draft they had reviewed did not include a six-month drilling moratorium. That was added only after they signed off. 'The Secretary should be free to recommend whatever he thinks is correct, but he should not be free to use our names to justify his political decisions,"'wrote the seven in a letter to Gulf Coast politicians."



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704575304575296782675625258.html

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From the Wall Street Journal:

"The Obama Administration is under political pressure to reverse its ill-considered deep water drilling moratorium, and the latest blowback comes from seven angry experts from the National Academy of Engineering who say their views were distorted to justify the ban.

"In the wake of the oil spill, President Obama asked Interior Secretary Ken Salazar to produce a report on new drilling safety recommendations. Then on May 27 Mr. Obama announced a six-month deep water drilling ban, justifying it on the basis of Mr. Salazar's report, a top recommendation of which was the moratorium. To lend an air of technical authority, the report noted: 'The recommendations contained in this report have been peer-reviewed by seven experts identified by the National Academy of Engineering.'

"That would be false, sir. In a scathing statement this week, the seven experts explained that the report draft they had reviewed did not include a six-month drilling moratorium. That was added only after they signed off. 'The Secretary should be free to recommend whatever he thinks is correct, but he should not be free to use our names to justify his political decisions,"'wrote the seven in a letter to Gulf Coast politicians."



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704575304575296782675625258.html

Is anyone really surprized anymore? The man can do nothing but lie!:rant-rave:

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From the Wall Street Journal:

"The Obama Administration is under political pressure to reverse its ill-considered deep water drilling moratorium, and the latest blowback comes from seven angry experts from the National Academy of Engineering who say their views were distorted to justify the ban.

"In the wake of the oil spill, President Obama asked Interior Secretary Ken Salazar to produce a report on new drilling safety recommendations. Then on May 27 Mr. Obama announced a six-month deep water drilling ban, justifying it on the basis of Mr. Salazar's report, a top recommendation of which was the moratorium. To lend an air of technical authority, the report noted: 'The recommendations contained in this report have been peer-reviewed by seven experts identified by the National Academy of Engineering.'

"That would be false, sir. In a scathing statement this week, the seven experts explained that the report draft they had reviewed did not include a six-month drilling moratorium. That was added only after they signed off. 'The Secretary should be free to recommend whatever he thinks is correct, but he should not be free to use our names to justify his political decisions,"'wrote the seven in a letter to Gulf Coast politicians."



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704575304575296782675625258.html


At the beginning with this guy, I was walking a fine line as I DO differentiate from promises made during a campaign and the inability to produce them, but this man flat out lies and has been for a long long time.

Someday the MSM will wake up and call him on it. Many are beginning to, but he sincerely believes he is above the fray and that he and his folks are always correct. There is NO other side of any discussion !

He was a poor choice by the Democrats and a poor choice by 52.9% of voters (THAT was the percentage even though many will say he won by a landslide)

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There's no way to take anything this President or his lackeys say at face value. How do we debate what this man says or proposes when it seems to always end up being a lie, or at best, duplicitous. For the life of me I can't figure out how this man has supporters.

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Many would follow him over a cliff, rather then support a conservative.

You are so correct with this response !!

I will be forever struck by the complete lack of interest into his background that so many, including the media showed during the primary and the campaign.

ANY other candidate would have been disqualified had we heard about his mentor and pastor, his training, his complete and utter lack of any kind of experience, his associates, etc.

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Many would follow him over a cliff, rather then support a conservative.

Wouldn't that be just wonderful?

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From the Wall Street Journal:

"The Obama Administration is under political pressure to reverse its ill-considered deep water drilling moratorium, and the latest blowback comes from seven angry experts from the National Academy of Engineering who say their views were distorted to justify the ban.

"In the wake of the oil spill, President Obama asked Interior Secretary Ken Salazar to produce a report on new drilling safety recommendations. Then on May 27 Mr. Obama announced a six-month deep water drilling ban, justifying it on the basis of Mr. Salazar's report, a top recommendation of which was the moratorium. To lend an air of technical authority, the report noted: 'The recommendations contained in this report have been peer-reviewed by seven experts identified by the National Academy of Engineering.'

"That would be false, sir. In a scathing statement this week, the seven experts explained that the report draft they had reviewed did not include a six-month drilling moratorium. That was added only after they signed off. 'The Secretary should be free to recommend whatever he thinks is correct, but he should not be free to use our names to justify his political decisions,"'wrote the seven in a letter to Gulf Coast politicians."



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704575304575296782675625258.html

So did Obama come out a clearly say that the report included a 6 month ban? If so then he lied however, if he didn't then who actually said the document included a 6 month ban? That would be the person that lied.

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So did Obama come out a clearly say that the report included a 6 month ban? If so then he lied however, if he didn't then who actually said the document included a 6 month ban? That would be the person that lied.


COLOGAL...that is a very interesting twist on the story....wonder if that kind of logic existed in the past ? Hmmmmm...let me see !!!

Once you have come to grips with THIS particular little fib, there are more...let me know and will let you deflect them.....

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Cologal: from the WSJ, "The seven noted that they broadly agreed with the report and had even signed off on a proposal to suspend new deep water permits for six months. They also agreed to a "temporary pause" in drilling to perform additional testing on the Gulf's 33 deep water wells that have already received permits to drill.

"But as for a 'blanket moratorium,' the seven said it 'is not the answer. It will not measurably reduce risk further and it will have a lasting impact on the nation's economy which may be greater than that of the oil spill.' If anything, the ban could prove "counterproductive to long term safety."

"One of the seven, University of California at Berkeley engineering professor Bob Bea, further explained in an email cited in the New Orleans Times-Picayune: 'Moratorium was not a part' of the 'report we consulted-advised-reviewed. Word from [the Department of Interior] was it was a [White House] request.' In other words, the drilling ban is a West Wing political invention designed to make the boss look tough on oil companies. Our guess is that the credit goes to energy czar Carol Browner, who has been loudly touting the ban to show the Administration is doing something."

But do you think Browner does anything, especially of this magnitude, without Barry's approval?

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COLOGAL...that is a very interesting twist on the story....wonder if that kind of logic existed in the past ? Hmmmmm...let me see !!!

Once you have come to grips with THIS particular little fib, there are more...let me know and will let you deflect them.....

Bucco....thanks you make my point. On this forum I have repeatly said that Bush lied and provided the lies he told. Only someone always has a reason why it wasn't really a lie.

Some of the best: He believed it at the time. Many other people believed also.

So its not logic from the past but logic from the present......

Its only a lie if a D is behind the persons name.

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Cologal: from the WSJ, "The seven noted that they broadly agreed with the report and had even signed off on a proposal to suspend new deep water permits for six months. They also agreed to a "temporary pause" in drilling to perform additional testing on the Gulf's 33 deep water wells that have already received permits to drill.

"But as for a 'blanket moratorium,' the seven said it 'is not the answer. It will not measurably reduce risk further and it will have a lasting impact on the nation's economy which may be greater than that of the oil spill.' If anything, the ban could prove "counterproductive to long term safety."

"One of the seven, University of California at Berkeley engineering professor Bob Bea, further explained in an email cited in the New Orleans Times-Picayune: 'Moratorium was not a part' of the 'report we consulted-advised-reviewed. Word from [the Department of Interior] was it was a [White House] request.' In other words, the drilling ban is a West Wing political invention designed to make the boss look tough on oil companies. Our guess is that the credit goes to energy czar Carol Browner, who has been loudly touting the ban to show the Administration is doing something."

But do you think Browner does anything, especially of this magnitude, without Barry's approval?

The point I was and still am trying to make is did President Obama actually say the report included a ban. I agree with a temporary ban to see what the heck is going on out there in the Gulf. How many other Blow Out Preventer's lack batteries? How many don't work at all? So your statement that Browner doesn't do anything without the President's approval leads me to believe Obama hasn't actually said this. If so then he personally did not lie.

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There's no way to take anything this President or his lackeys say at face value. How do we debate what this man says or proposes when it seems to always end up being a lie, or at best, duplicitous. For the life of me I can't figure out how this man has supporters.

And we can't figure out how Bush had his either.... I really enjoyed Candi's remark that we can't wait for a mushroom cloud over the US....or maybe the Veep's comments that the Iraq war would be paid with oil revenue and it would be done in 6 months to a year. How long has it been? Longer than even the Vietnam war now. I can still see the Mission Accomplished banner.

HA.

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Bucco....thanks you make my point. On this forum I have repeatly said that Bush lied and provided the lies he told. Only someone always has a reason why it wasn't really a lie.

Some of the best: He believed it at the time. Many other people believed also.

So its not logic from the past but logic from the present......

Its only a lie if a D is behind the persons name.


Lost cause...YOU, COLOGAL, are about nothing but the parties and you must use Bush's name in the greatest amount of your posts. I NEVER mentioned Bush, nor the parties and you went right for it. I dont want to talk about Bush unless it is relevant to the subject...you somehow turn a thread about Obama lies to Bush....simply amazing that someone could think like you do.

Well, keep your dues up to date with MOVEON and enjoy !

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Lost cause...YOU, COLOGAL, are about nothing but the parties and you must use Bush's name in the greatest amount of your posts. I NEVER mentioned Bush, nor the parties and you went right for it. I dont want to talk about Bush unless it is relevant to the subject...you somehow turn a thread about Obama lies to Bush....simply amazing that someone could think like you do.

Well, keep your dues up to date with MOVEON and enjoy !

I have NEVER been a member of MOVEON. I am trying to make a point when Al Gore ran all we heard about was how he lied. The best one was about how he said he invented the internet. How many times did we hear about Clinton lying and now Obama.

And you saying that I am all about party is down right funny coming from you.


Did Obama say, himself, that the report did not include a 6 month ban on drilling? Please provide a link.....to that statement by Obama.

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I have NEVER been a member of MOVEON. I am trying to make a point when Al Gore ran all we heard about was how he lied. The best one was about how he said he invented the internet. How many times did we hear about Clinton lying and now Obama.

And you saying that I am all about party is down right funny coming from you.


Did Obama say, himself, that the report did not include a 6 month ban on drilling? Please provide a link.....to that statement by Obama.

As one of the last great Democrat Presidents said "The Buck Stops Here".

Nothing goes on in the authority of the White House that the President doesn't know about. I don't need a document or a link to ascribe the failures or untruths of actions of this regime to the President, just as you don't seem to need any documentation to lay every perceived failure of the former administration at the feet of the former President.

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I have NEVER been a member of MOVEON. I am trying to make a point when Al Gore ran all we heard about was how he lied. The best one was about how he said he invented the internet. How many times did we hear about Clinton lying and now Obama.

And you saying that I am all about party is down right funny coming from you.


Did Obama say, himself, that the report did not include a 6 month ban on drilling? Please provide a link.....to that statement by Obama.


Let me not put words in your mouth.....you say you are not about party but your examples ALL one party. Does this mean that all Republicans are just flat out liars.....any Republican lie was proven to be in the first person..have you NO republican examples ?

Now, to steal a page from RICHIELION.....if THE ADMINISTRATION says something are we to assume that it is NOT coming from the President UNLESS we hear the words come out of his mouth....are we to assume that there are folks speaking for the ADMINISTRATION but are doing so without the President being aware ?

If that is the case, then it is even worse than lying !!!


It really seems that those who post here are unable to say anything positive about thie ADMINISTRATION thus they only post about the last administration !

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As one of the last great Democrat Presidents said "The Buck Stops Here".

Nothing goes on in the authority of the White House that the President doesn't know about. I don't need a document or a link to ascribe the failures or untruths of actions of this regime to the President, just as you don't seem to need any documentation to lay every perceived failure of the former administration at the feet of the former President.


Ok....so he "lies" if he is associated in any way with anything.

Makes perfect sense to me. NOT!

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Let me not put words in your mouth.....you say you are not about party but your examples ALL one party. Does this mean that all Republicans are just flat out liars.....any Republican lie was proven to be in the first person..have you NO republican examples ?

Now, to steal a page from RICHIELION.....if THE ADMINISTRATION says something are we to assume that it is NOT coming from the President UNLESS we hear the words come out of his mouth....are we to assume that there are folks speaking for the ADMINISTRATION but are doing so without the President being aware ?

If that is the case, then it is even worse than lying !!!


It really seems that those who post here are unable to say anything positive about thie ADMINISTRATION thus they only post about the last administration !

No ....it appears here you can say nothing good about the present administration, or any other Democratic administration.... To even attempt to compare or contrast to the most recent administration bring a rain of bull upon your head.

Ours only lie and yours never lie.....

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known to Obama. Remember they are lawyers. They do review the topics and who said or shall say when so as to allow Obama either the ability to confirm or deny. They operate on the LETTER of the law....did he say it....they can absolutely in legal parlance say no in good conscience.

Lawyers, politicians and lawmakers either use the law or hide behind it to suit their need. Remember some of them have to make rapist, plunderers and murders look and sound good/innocent. Enough said!

btk

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Ok....so he "lies" if he is associated in any way with anything.

Makes perfect sense to me. NOT!

I'm not sure anymore if it's his lies, and there are many, that are the issue. It is actually his gross incompetence and failure of leadership and understanding of this country and his constitutional role in it. Check my other post "He Who Would Be King" and read a well written article from The American Thinker and tell me what you think of it.

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Obama will always lie, but he has a good excuse for his lies.

He does not remember what he has read from the teleprompter.
They are not his words and they cannot be because he knows very little about all this stuff in Washington.

We will have to give him a pass on all his lies because he has no clue what he is saying nor can he remember all the words of others he reads from his prompter.

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Obama will always lie, but he has a good excuse for his lies.

He does not remember what he has read from the teleprompter.
They are not his words and they cannot be because he knows very little about all this stuff in Washington.

We will have to give him a pass on all his lies because he has no clue what he is saying nor can he remember all the words of others he reads from his prompter.

You are correct. Cologal can defend Obama because he rarely says anything of substance. His appointed lackeys speak to the masses and carry out the details of the agenda and give the President "deniable plausibility". In this way Obama seeks to distance himself from the tactile working of his policy and feign ignorance at discrepancies of what is said, and what is done.

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You are correct. Cologal can defend Obama because he rarely says anything of substance. His appointed lackeys speak to the masses and carry out the details of the agenda and give the President "deniable plausibility". In this way Obama seeks to distance himself from the tactile working of his policy and feign ignorance at discrepancies of what is said, and what is done.

In this case I defend him because he didn't actually say this.....so if he didn't say it, no matter what anyone says, HE DIDN'T.


As opposed to Clinton under oath lying about have sex with ML. Or Bush saying that the US never used torture which we did.

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again this afternoon. He has strolled the beach and provided photo ops. He steps in front of the microphone, is on as I type. He is reading from notes. Did he write these while walking? Posing for pix?
Of course not. The speech writing dweebs had it prepared for him when he got off the plane.

The man has no capability or perhaps desire to speak unprepared. A major signal of an individual that does not know his subject for one. Secondly, prepared text always provides a defense for what was said if it blows up.

His operating style portrays him as one who is not prepared to speak with authority based on personal knowledge.

While I do not particularly care for Michelle Obama for a lot of reasons, I give her an 'A' for being able to speak without notes, teleprompters, etc. She is a significantly more credible person than he is as a result.

When a person knows their subject, they do not need notes. They do not need a teleprompter. Yes there is a time and place for prepared speeches. However, not each and every time one opens their mouth.

Just wait and watch his address to the nation tomorrow. Same old, same old political schmooze with no specific actions/solutions. Very consistent with every public address he has ever made.

The man is afraid to make a mistake and as a result he makes an even bigger mistake.

btk

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Obama will go on television tomorrow night and explain how he's been to the Gulf four times since the rig accident - met with families, friends, business people, local representatives - he'll say how they all had his ear, his attention and his heart. He'll explain how he has been on top of everything since day one - this is the worst disaster the world has ever seen - and how we really need more regulations and it was really Bush's fault and how cap and trade is earnestly needed. He'll say is is making sure that BP is going to pay for all damages.

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Obama will go on television tomorrow night and explain how he's been to the Gulf four times since the rig accident - met with families, friends, business people, local representatives - he'll say how they all had his ear, his attention and his heart. He'll explain how he has been on top of everything since day one - this is the worst disaster the world has ever seen - and how we really need more regulations and it was really Bush's fault and how cap and trade is earnestly needed. He'll say is is making sure that BP is going to pay for all damages.

Well he has been to the Gulf, met with the families so that is true. I would hope that they review the regulations to see if we just needed to enforce the ones that exist or if new ones are needed. Not sure if he will make a pitch for cap and trade, thats more of a global warming them, but green energy or get off the oil most likely.


And BP should pay for every dime of the cleanup!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You are correct. Cologal can defend Obama because he rarely says anything of substance. His appointed lackeys speak to the masses and carry out the details of the agenda and give the President "deniable plausibility". In this way Obama seeks to distance himself from the tactile working of his policy and feign ignorance at discrepancies of what is said, and what is done.

In this case I defend him because he didn't actually say this.....so if he didn't say it, no matter what anyone says, HE DIDN'T.


As opposed to Clinton under oath lying about have sex with ML. Or Bush saying that the US never used torture which we did.

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In this case I defend him because he didn't actually say this.....so if he didn't say it, no matter what anyone says, HE DIDN'T.


As opposed to Clinton under oath lying about have sex with ML. Or Bush saying that the US never used torture which we did.

Exactly my point; Plausible Deniability. Give him a pass on almost anything.

Except for that once in a while when he can't help himself and speaks without the tele-prompter and then we see him for who he is. Usually then his lackeys spend the next week redefining everything he said to the sycophant WH Press Core to sometimes hilarious far-fetched extremes.

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Exactly my point; Plausible Deniability. Give him a pass on almost anything.

Except for that once in a while when he can't help himself and speaks without the tele-prompter and then we see him for who he is. Usually then his lackeys spend the next week redefining everything he said to the sycophant WH Press Core to sometimes hilarious far-fetched extremes.

You had to use that word didn't you......but ya just can't win. He doesn't have to say anything to tell a lie. That's going pretty far out there.

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You had to use that word didn't you......but ya just can't win. He doesn't have to say anything to tell a lie. That's going pretty far out there.

Is it really the case that you don't understand the point I'm making, or are you just having fun with me?

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the laws/regulations/etc that are on the books.
This in jest....eh?

Like enforcing the existing immigration laws. Such a joke.

The story today about an illegal who has been here since he was 4....now goes to Harvard. He has been discovered.....however. He is concerned he COULD be deported. However, the report was kind enough to state that his best option is to let the system work. Decree he shall be deported as he is illegal and that is what the law specifies. And then the legal advice was, just don't leave!!!!!!!!!
Now how could that be? Well apparently this is a judgement that IS NOT followed up or enforced. There are over 500,000 who have been judged to be here illegally and sentenced to be deported......WHO ARE STILL HERE.

And the rhetoric was that because it has been past practice and there are so many....and so many that are "good" people who should not be penalized :blahblahblah::blahblahblah:.

A mockery of what is called justice! The politicians are well aware of this and as expected.....NOTHING!!!!

WORDS....WORDS.....WORDS....BS>>>>BS>>>BS.

btk

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The below is relative to the post by BK to begin this particular thread....

"A federal judge in New Orleans halted President Obama's deepwater drilling moratorium on Tuesday, saying the government never justified the ban and appeared to mislead the public in the wake of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

Judge Martin L.C. Feldman issued an injunction, saying that the moratorium will hurt drilling-rig operators and suppliers and that the government has not proved an outright ban is needed, rather than a more limited moratorium.

He also said the Interior Department also misstated the opinion of the experts it consulted. Those experts from the National Academy of Engineering have said they don't support the blanket ban."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/22/judge-halts-obamas-oil-drilling-ban/

BUT we already know and stand corrected that OBAMA did not lie because he didn't say it. He does, however, take credit for the consultation with them !~